/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12521683
Same shit MESSENGER did, but better.

tfw >>12521669 is the cleverest thing I said this year

Hop when?

>>12521687
The moon was captured, not derived by an impact.

>>12521721
Captured from who?

Checkmate Athiests

>you'll never touch starship's skirt with your bros
why even live?

>>12521721

>reposting from previous ded thread

Question regarding planetary body rotation because i've always been incredibly shit at geometry and basically everything.

>can a spherical planetary body have "drifting" polar regions in addition to normal day-night cycle?

That is, the axis of rotation to slowly drift so that different parts of the surface reside on the poles ie Antarctica goes where Africa is and vice versa over time. Note, no continents/mantle is actually drifting - just the face with which the planet looks at the star.

I need it for a small short story regarding crawling glaciers and unpleasant winters, and I can't figure out how to explain it. First idea involves orbital inclination, but since I want the process to involve more than a single year my hands are tied. The rotation of the planet seemed like a good candidate but I'll be damn I can't wrap my head around how to make it work or even visualize how it looks. If all else fails - magic.

>>12521730
Starship is a dirty slut

>>12521730
Did they teach welders to build spacecraft or spacecraft builders to weld?

I wonder if they appreciate the significance of what they're working on

>>12521687
Based Abell 1689 poster

>>12521735
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession

>>12521747
I imagine all those videos of people watching SN8 from the beach were in large part people who work there. It must be cool to build something like that and then get to watch it actually try to fly.

>>12521747
They taught a bunch of guys who know how to weld together water towers how to strap some engines to the bottom of said towers.

>>12521682
>>it takes less time to build a new rocket from scratch than to use an existing one
Is that what I said? I said it's a waste of time. I didn't say it would take longer than developing Starship, it could have just taken a year and still been a waste of time. And incidentally, it might still have taken longer. Falcon Heavy itself was supposed to be "easy" and that project itself compared to Starship is a great example of how counter intuitively easier it is to move forward by going back to the drawing board than trying to adapt legacy systems.

>>12521729
From whom
Easy way to remember:
>He=who
>Him=whom
Who captured the moon? He did.
The moon was captured from whom? From him.

>>12521715
2 or 3 weeks most likely

>>12521730
I genuinely love the designs that the wields make

>>12521792
>wields

>>12521808
fuck
*welds

>>12521808
>not duel-wielding Starship prototypes

daily reminder that sls is not my favorite rocket

>>12521780
wrong. language changes. english teacher btfo of town

What would happen if I have to poop on Mars?

>>12521868
lower gravity so you can just hold it in

>>12521873
Indefinitely????

>>12521780
Thanks.
t. non native speaker

Aliens will visit this planet in a billion years and find nothing but antique boston dynamic robots dancing

>>12521861
Hot take anon, why don't you worship the orange dong of jobs programs?

>>12521905
it just doesnt inspire me idk

Here's your colony builders bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn3KWM1kuAw

>>12521882
Robots will never dance. It requires soul and creativity

cryo test is underway. Thin line of frost can be seen on SN9. The ambient test must have been a success.

>>12521913
terrifying

>>12521908
Not going to lie, I kind of like the big hydrolox first stage with solid booster concept but the H-2A and H3 do it better.

>>12521924
I wonder if we'll get static fire tomorrow. Or maybe that's set to next week.

>>12521913
I find it funny they release PR shit like this while asking the DOD if they would be interested in vid related covered in blades chasing people down.
https://youtu.be/chPanW0QWhA

>>12521938
I'm sure it depends on how smoothly the cryo goes. It took SN8 a number of days to pass. I expect the same for SN9, if not because her tip may have lead to some small weaknesses.

>>12521955
why would anyone be interested in that? a 12 yo kid with a well aimed lead pipe can put your silly robot that costs 1.000 times more than a well trained and well geared top tier soldier

>>12521913
Lucky for us this is CGI lol

>>12521969
Sorry meathead, you're out of a job ;)

>>12521979
when a robot can outperform a janitor cleaning a gas station toilet then maybe

>>12521931
N I P P O N

>>12521924
The launch pad cam is stuck on a still frame from this morning, so gotta use the wobby ass nerdle cam

>>12521913
our robots are so powerful they can do anything
>then why dont you show us what your robots can really do instead of ambiguosly presenting crappy cgi that the general public might buy but anyone with half a brain doesnt
Well, they can TOTALLY do all that, but have so little confidence in them that well only allow them to do ultra specific tasks that have been studied 20 monnths in advance by a team of 30 experts, all while safety stradled by all sides in a padded room with emergency mechanics from all sides because our company is so useless that even if it makes us looks like the most incompetent person in the world, after 20 years of development with the highest amount of funding possible we can't affoard to lose even one of these robots or the company would instantly bankrupt

>>12521969
Because it's early days and after getting DOD funding we haven't see the Cheetah in 8 years.
Combine that with a grunt costing ~$100k a year in peace and more in war and suddenly dropping $200k on one of these isn't a terrible idea.

>>12521874
Big Poop doesn't want you to know about our body's natural recycling systems

Cringe or cringe /sfg/? Also I still don't even know what the space force even does

>>12521969
probably because it lets them skirt around the proper channels for authorizing acts of war if they never actually put combatants on the field

>>12522004
The space force was meant to take over all the space shit the air force and NRO does but neither was going to let that happen so right now they do fuck all.

>>12521687
>spaceflight general

>>12521996
>dropping $200k on one of these isn't a terrible idea.
maybe, but there are many many hurdles one of them have to surmount before its not a laughable idea

>a human self heals to an extent
> a human adapts
>a human is useful not only for one specific mechanical task but all mechanical tasks, its even able to come up with new task, its even able to come up with new tasks that are needed to create the task sthat will create the conditions that will create the task that will create the task that will create the task that will create the conditions that can solve the problem
>a human can analyze what hte problem is and realize if its the right one
> a human can do politics science art history and tradition

and many many others of etceteraeses

>>12522004
The whole star trek thing is massively cringe.

>>12522004
Right now they are a glorified paperwork office but if DOD invests in Starship P2P or piggybacks starlink for some spooky shit they will have a decent amount of work.

>>12522016
Lots of people think about robots replacing soldiers but that isn't how it's going to happen for a very long time.
The way it'll actually work will be humans doing most of the heavy lifting with robots helping out. To start with they will be carrying gear, then they might get weapons and automatic targeting with a human puling the trigger. From there I could see a couple of blade dogs being stationed around a town while infantry clear it, if anyone approaches or flees the town the slice-hound can tell it's handler and ask if it gets to play.

It isn't going to be all or nothing with the first robots deployed maintaining a FOB on their own.

>>12522034
Good point, but it’s hilarious to think about the DoD having the ability to drop starship somewhere and deploy hundreds of boston dynamic war robots packed like sardines who flood out and overwhelm an enemy

I'M FROOOSTING

>>12522003
O_O

>>12522004

>>12521913
If the humanoid robots can be controlled by a real human in a haptic feedback suit then I'll be impressed, as is this a great demonstration of dexterity and balance control but it's all still preprogrammed. If the robot can dance by receiving the feedback of a human who is dancing then it will become useful. This would mean that a person say in a command ship in Mars orbit could put on a haptic suit and VR headset and control a robot in real time on the surface for early construction work or for work too hazardous to risk a person on later on.
Until that point of real time control though this is all still just a marketing gimmick.

Oh shit, how did I miss this? Space Force is using the X-37B for microwave-frequency beamed power experiments at orbital distances! Building microwave power beaming satellites is another money printer for SpaceX unless someone else gets fully reusable 100+ ton to orbit boosters going.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33339/x-37b-space-planes-microwave-power-beam-experiment-is-a-way-bigger-deal-than-it-seems

>>12522004
>halfway between Wrath of Khan and WWII uniforms
This is incredibly based and redpilled.

>>12522044
While I love the image of starships dropping into combat I really don't see it happening. It's an expensive piece of classified gear that needs a decent amount of logistics (LOX / LMG) to leave the AO.
The way I could actually see them being used is if a decent sized base the military is sure they can hold needs rapid resupply you send in a starship.

>>12522070
Once launch costs are low enough LEO solar makes a lot of sense, catch is when you have cloud cover over the receiver the efficiency goes to shit.

The problem with space flight now is the people who're griping that our space flight technology is the equivalent of the following. As well as the Karens would would rather never leave the planet and use the space flight money on their social benefits such as food stamps.

>>12522005
the us doesnt need soldiers for wars since a long time.
the purpose of the us military is to mantain the artificially bad lifestyle 99% of americans have.

Same with education and healthcare. because of economy of scales and organization it is much much cheaper to ensure it to be free for all by a statal organization

>>12522004
fake news.
>Military spokesperson says the viral mock-ups of US Space Force uniforms that are being compared Starship Troopers and Spaceballs costumes are not real
>"The uniform graphic being shared on social media is not an official US Space Force uniform design concept," Maj. Nick Mercurio said in an email to Military.com. "The Space Force service dress uniform is still in development."

>>12522091
There's no cloud cover on the moon or in LEO. This is how you get space industry with real industrial scale power needs.

Why yes, I agree that Boeing is the safest bet on deepspace fairing in the near future when it comes to aeronautics manufacturing, how could you tell?

>>12522034
>automatic targeting with a human puling the trigger.
that makes no sense, we already have marksmen that can shoot a moving target kms away, the bottleneck is the time it takes him to take the decision, if you introduce human decision in the loop youre fukcin g it up

actually we already have combat robots, since the 1970s, they are called elecotrioncic warfare. All electronic warfare systems fire automatically under certain conditions, because if you introduce human reaction times into the loop youre losing all advantage.

so its either no robots, or full control, no in betweenies

>>12522065

>extremely bored construction workers masturbate each other by stimulating the crotch pad which reproduces vibrations in that area

>>12521780
youre assuming pronouns

>>12522003

>>12522115
>fairing
Um, sweaty, Boeing fairings are all expendable right now. Only SpaceX reuses them.

>>12522116
>we already have marksmen that can shoot a moving target kms away
Have you ever read the report on those 1.5km shots? None are first round hits and all took 5+ minutes of setting up before taking the shots.
>the bottleneck is the time it takes him to take the decision
No, the fight time of those shots is longer than how long it takes to see if someone is armed.

Think about a MBT grade targeting system with laser range finding and atmospheric conditions measured every second connected to a FLIR camera that looks for people.
It''s going to find people faster and at longer range than a human would, zoom in and give the operator a clear view so they can make the call.
For boots on the ground today fighting a near peer enemy those that see the other first generally win.

>>12522004
Trying too hard to lean into Star Trek, the coat doesn't have to button at an angle just have it go straight up and down.
Other than that it seems OK.

>>12522004
lol its that scene in "space force" where the girl doesnt want to get called "space man" or something like that.

seriously, they gonna get a bunch of guys dressed like star trek dudes that just go around doing data science, they are gonna be bullied to hell by all other branches till they have actual people in space

>>12522146
If you’re gonna rip from star trek, you at least have to steal from enterprise. Those functional flight suits are based

>>12521913
For. Me it's HRP-4C

>>12521913
>>12522168
>forgets file

>>12522163
>Those functional flight suits are based
why wear flight suits in a ship with perfectly generated gravity even while under attack

star trek is so retarded that anyone who doesnt vomit at the mere mention of that show is ethically deserving of getting his nose punched

>>12522163
New George Clooney movie on Netflix has ripped off these uniforms. About the best bit of the movie really.

Was the SN8 flight and actual failure? I'm new and all the media outlets are saying it exploded, so that means it failed miserably right? Did it accomplish anything?

>>12522182
massive failure

>>12522004
Show was shit but the Moon Camo was hilarious. I didn't notice for a good 5-6 episodes. Wish they'd do this.

It would be less cringe than the whole Guardians thing so you never know.

>>12522174
You get more pockets to store stuff retard

>>12522182
Absolutely not it was a phenomenal success.

It was the first prototype to properly launch so everything after 150m altitude was a success. To pull off the bellyflop maneuver was an incredible achievement for their simulation team and everyone working on the rocket and then to land back on the pad. First fucking flight. Unbelievable.

One engine ate itself in such a way that it vastly cheaped the cost of retiring and disposing of the airframe.

100%. Unprecendented success.

>>12522182
What worked:
>launch
>long duration burn
>transition to glide
>glide
>cross-range flight
>horizontal ignition
>powered flip
>landing guidance

What didn't work:
>header tank pressurization

They had never done any of these things before so overall it was a huge success that also exploded. Realistically I expect them to blow up a few move before they stick a landing but so long as each time is a new failure that is good progress.

>>12522187
Forgot pic.

>>12521747
People who build spacecraft already know how to weld, or at least know how to set up welding machines.

>>12521771
is water tower thing a meme or real?

>>12522182
It was a disaster that set the program back costing american dollars in a global crisis threatening to leave millions homeless. There was also massive risk to human life, and albeit nobody died the possibility was there. Finally, there was spill of both toxic co2 and methane, both of which potent greenhouse gasses responsible for climate change, and this environmental tragedy happened right in the middle of protected land that is habitat for multiple rare species on the brink of extinction.

>>12522004
Definition of try-hard

>>12522209
Aren't you supposed to be moving in to the white house or something?

>>12522048
OFFICER I CANT FREEZE

>>12522070
how about launching one large power station (possibly nuclear) that sends beamed power to smaller sats? these smaller sats woud not need solar power that way.

>>12522174
They're easier to don and doff than a shirt and pants, more convenient to store and to wash, and probably cheaper to manufacture too. Also gravity generators and inertial dampeners fail regularly enough that it's nonsensical that starship crews don't wear a climbing/safety harness with hooks as well, in the case where safety would dictate you clamp yourself to a handhold until normal conditions return.

>>12522207
I think Hoppy was mostly built by a water tower company, aside from engine integration and the other plumbing/avionics

>>12522209
:^)

>>12521913
i dont get people who say this is CG. looks real enough to me with the plastic reflections and shadows. and in the beginning of the video you can see Handle waiting for it's queue in the plastic walls reflection.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1344031267772362754/pu/vid/1288x720/WCR9dxUMzS6Lz47L.mp4?tag=10

SN9 RCS testing. Looks far and away more powerful than SN8. Wonder if it's a new system or just higher pressure.

guys, imagine if SLS exploded on its first launch, wouldnt it be funny? :)

>>12522251
I wish it didn't.

>>12522251
more likely there's a software problem ala starliner and orion has an rcs seizure and/or goes joyriding in a random orbit

>>12522004
I don't like it.
Gotta be black uniforms.

>>12522274

>>12522278

>>12522258
good news! Boeing investigated Boeing and determined that their flagship plane can fly again!

>>12522251
I really hope it does it's a waste of money either way and at least that would lead to some great memes.

>>12522094
You and your tween friends are much, much more vocal about the “Karen’s against spaceflight” than they ever will be

>>12522209
>toxic co2
i have heard reports of humans with a rare condition that release this gas into the atmosphere when they breathe

>>12522245
>looks real enough to me with the plastic reflections and shadows.
you never worked anywhere near CG and your observational skills are non existant. If you were a D&D character youd have perception -1

>>12522249
The visible size of the RCS jet might have a lot to do with local humidity and other ambient conditions, not necessarily higher gas throughput

>>12522120
2018 called they want their joke back.

>>12522297
alright, man.

>>12522303
nigger libtard faggot

so what is spg opinnion on first man movie? i think it was great from technical standpoint but why the fuck they had to make it so depressing? apollo 11 launch scene looked like it was filmed in some kind of duststorm, it was so hard. neil looked depressed all the time while in reality he even joked during landing how flying lander is better than on simulations. i afraid that this movie will influence how future generations remember this man.

>>12522004
Its gonna be woodland camo, or maybe desert camo for Space Force "guardians" working on us military bases out in the middle east. Even once the space force starts doing starship E2E with militarized starships it'll still just be desert camo.

>>12521913
lmao the comments, the cgi guy knows this is fake. it's obvious because the robots translate at higher framerate than the background

>>12522291
On that note one guy that was really worried about co2 pollution was utterly shocked to discover people breathe it out. In fact he didn't actually believe me until he checked on his phone.

I wonder how common that actually is.

>>12522322
I liked it, it did a decent job of showing the program but the camera angles used on CGI launches were just retarded and didn't convey the scale.
I agree that they made him a sad sack and it is a shame as anyone that was actually like that would have never made the program in the first place.

>>12522339
You should help him to stop his contribution to climate change by assisting him in ceasing to breath permanently.

>>12522339
Retards gotta retard, I'm worried about co2 levels increasing too and I don't think the fact we breath it out changes that. We also fart hydrogen sulfide but that doesn't mean I would be cool with us releasing billions of tons of that a year.

>>12521913
>first human expedition lands on mars
>"yeah we sent robots there 4 years ago to build the infrastructure it'll all be ready for you guys"
>starship hatch opens
>nothing is built
>robots are just dancing around on mars
>they've just destroyed all the supplies
>the crew is starting to panic
>robots just dab on the colonists as they die of radiation

Based

>>12522302
ah, that's a good point.

Speaking of RCS it seems like Elon has bounced between hot gas and cold gas thrusters. Last year was pic related...

>>12522364
release it into my mouth

>>12522364
The entire regime of thought about it is full retard and purposefully deceptive. You aren't going to prevent China/India living at post industrial quality of life standards without declaring war on them. Crippling your own life standards won't change the long term trend and the only real solution has always been better technology and spaceflight.

>>12522370
but more recently he seems to have gone back to hot gas. Seeing how well SN8 performed I'm not sure I see the necessity of very powerful RCS on earth. Mars/moon are probably different stories.

>>12522365
If the robots didn't build shit on mars, that means they didn't build a nuclear power plant, so how could the colonists die of radiation?

>>12521913
Robots should be banned.

>>12522380
why did you post a picture of titan which has very low atmospheric co2

>>12522370
that was before HLS. production starship will have methalox hot gas thrusters with raptor heritage

>>12522384
>>robots just dab on the colonists as they die of radiation
space radiation?

>>12522364
>Retards gotta retard, I'm worried about co2 levels increasing too

Then you’re retarded. Earth had way higher CO2 levels in the Jurassic and it was a badass jungle planet with big lizards

>>12522388
Because Titan is the best long term settlement location in the solar system.

>>12522388
Maybe he just wanted to post a space related image you sperg.

post your favourite niche space youtube channels
i like angry astronaut

>>12522393
It also had higher oxygen levels.

>>12522392
They are on Mars not in space.

>>12522400
His videos are kind of poopy, the only based space tubers are Anton Petrov, Scott Manley and Event Horizon.

So what happens when the Webb blows up during launch?

>>12522405
mars is in space

>>12522209
You forgot about all the DHMO! When Methane and Oxygen combine, it doesn't just make CO2, it also makes toxic dihydrogen monoxide! That stuff can even get into the water!
THINK OF THE CHILDREN

>>12522404
More CO2 means more oxygen as photosynthesizer populations and metabolic rates increase in tandem.

>>12522411
Build another one It's a telescope bro, how long can it take, 2 years?

>>12522400
angry astronaut fucking smells bad, ama (i'm his neighbor)

>>12522411
If Webb explodes and people keep voting for neoliberal economic policy I can finally lose my last bit of hope for the future.

>>12522410
>hullo based
Try browsing his twitter for five seconds

>>12522429
He is a stupid lib tard illiterate, but he mostly keeps it out of his videos and does the best quality research and presentation for rocketry.

>>12522426
Have you stopped raping children yet?

>>12522410
anton petrov has nothing going on in his had. absolute mouthbreather. john m godier cant stfu about the wow signal, scott manley is ok but he's running out of interesting shit to talk about

>>12522422
So how long do you think humanity will be getting stupider from higher CO2 before it's offset by increased O2?

>>12522437
not yet, but that's off topic

>>12522436
>gigantic boondoggle costing 2 trillions for a flag and footprints mission

Nuke everything.

>>12522440
CO2 doesn’t affect us until 1000ppm which is centuries off so I don’t care

>>12522439
Anton does just read papers but he reads a bunch of good obscure papers and presents the safe bets for astronomy and is knowledgeable enough to make it palatable. Godier can be a little cringey but i like how he talks to all the fringe people without going completely overboard and I like at least a little bit of SETI optimism.

i love motherships like that

>>12522449
>I don't care about the future I leave for others
30yo boomer or OG boomer?

>>12522450
Wow! Signal was 100% aliens all “debunk” attempts failed years ago

>>12522458
I’m twenty-five. I have literally no idea why I would give a shit what happens long after I’m dead and you don’t really care either.

>>12522458
OG Boomer's parents.

>>12522392
>>12522405
>>12522414
I was being retarded on purpose with>>12522384 ya fucking schizos
Guess i found out who the real tards are after all

>>12522459
pff nope it was an nro sat retard

>>12522436
I prefer the dream-like quality of older concept art.

>>12522466
yep, you

>>12522415
wtf... redpill me on dhmo bros...
i heard 320k people die from it every year

>>12522475

>>12522466

>>12522475
Speaking about fuel deports, Musk should use tankers that can only go up a few more times as fuel deports, or enabling probes to go quick.

>>12522478
>>12522483
Seethe and cope

>>12522475

>>12522481

>>12522470
A what?

>>12522488
sneed and feed

>>12522485
Shelby would have Alabama annex Texas in a heartbeat.

>>12522463
>you don’t really care either
Honestly I find this interesting, do you really think no one could possibly care about the future of our species?

>>12522481
what moon of saturn has an atmosphere dense enough to have clouds and an atmospheric glow but not dense enough to have thick smog like titan?

>>12522400
Yea he's a new fave.

My number 1 Dec 2020 favourite is GREAT SPACEX. Their horrendous English is entertaining in itself. Not only because it shows how lazy these opportunistic channels are getting but it also fills the void after What About It's English and accent has so vastly improved this year much to my dissapointment.

The only two I give money to are WAI and Marcus House but I may help out Angry Astronaut if keeps up his current quality and output.

post better space reated music video. protip - you cannot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNssEVlB6M
i mean i love it, how it shows mars seen from ship camera for first minute or so and sometimes we see centrifuge moving in front of camera. realy tickled my autism.

>>12522498
Inceladus or Dione when near a cryo eruption?

>>12522496
Not to any intense degree. I have a vague fear of humans eventually becoming slaves of robots but if that ever happened it’d be long after I died so I don’t really care or worry about it.

>>12522495
Over what?

If a tanker has 100 launches before it has to be scrapped, then they might as well keep it in space when it has 10 launches remaining.

What we could do above Mars is have a fuel deport as well.

>>12522460
Would you need some kind of electromagmetic shield for an interstellar vessel?
From what i understand the cosmic rays get pretty fierce outside of the solar system; i understand that because of the velocity much of the particles will hit the front shield, but surely some will also hit from the sides as well?

>>12522508
It wouldn't have clouds or atmospheric glow like that still. So I'm confused on what moon the artist was depicting.

>>12522400
I just watched angry astronaut for the first time yesterday. Why does he wear the glasses bros

>>12522518
He's blind

>>12522512
Elon wants each tanker to have thousands upon thousands of flights, which is viable considering the material properties of stainless steel.

>>12522512
>Over what?
The COMMUNIST MENACE that is, and SLS (pbui) forgive me for uttering this, PROPELLANT DEPOTS must be stopped at all costs to protect AMERICAN spaceflight!

>>12522515
i think this ship is supposed to be just interplanetary, possibly travelling to outer solary system. its loosely based on ship from space odysssey voyage to the planets tv show from 2004

>>12522518
To hide the tears, he knows his taxes pay for SLS.

>>12522515
.. continued and this front shild is supposed to be used for aerobreaking

>>12522531

>>12522439
pretty accurate

>>12522503
I like him as well. I want him to go to a Boeing or Lockheed stock holder's meeting when SpaceX beats everyone to the moon.

I could see the guy going on stage stir the shit-pot of the crowd of upset boomer investors.

"Soon China & India will be paying more than your companies are worth to gain access to the moon. Hey, remember how cheap Rocket Dyne sold itself off? That's you in the future!"

>>12522426
Would be nice if true. I had a space loving neighbour for a while he came out to watch Starlink and the Europe orbit F9s going over and we got fairly pally. He wanted to get his kids hyped but they didn't give a fuck.

I would press you for info but Angry Astronaut clearly doesn't give a fuck and I like him. Shame to hear about the divorce.

this video has literaly left me teary eyed first time i watched it bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3c1QZzRK4

>>12522555
Sagan had such an iconic voice.

>>12522516
Before a certain probe got there people thought Titan's atmosphere was thinner and less hazy.

>>12522545
these sails look like icarus spaceship from sunshine movie

>>12522475
there's this one artist who emulates the style on modern ships. Pretty cool

>>12522518
his ass fumes burn his eyes

>>12522590
Amazing.

>>12522543
low key true about rocketdyne's value, maybe i should get out of boeing after all

>going hunting on the moon with your friends
When will we have this?

Has there been a diagram made for the starship complete interior? I mean including the fuel/LOx tanks, but also the tanks for the cold gas/RCS whatever, flap engines, etc

>>12522555
I can't watch it without getting choked up

>>12522544
estronaut got a divorce too. it's a theme with utube astronauts. does anyone know if vintage space got divorced? i'd love to titty fuck her

>>12522603
BIG
BIG
CHUNGUS
BIG CHUNGUS
BIG CHUNGUS

>>12522614
>harpoons
Are they hunting moon whales?

>>12522634
Yeah it's open season on your mom lmao

>>12522555
Yeah it's some high grade space kino

>>12522614
Hopefully as soon as there are multiple manned private endeavors there simultaneously. The Earth company operating one base or another will go bankrupt and overnight it'll become the hub for free Lunar inhabitants and rampant piracy.
I just want pirates riding LESS-style rocket chairs, uncharted settlements in the lunar tunnels, and a good local punk rock scene.

thre are tons of space artworks old an new on this blog:
https://spacethatneverwas.tumblr.com/

>>12522622
I didn't even know he was married. Figured he was gay actually. I guess the workload and travel wouldn't suit a wife. Especially if she was expecting him to stay a local Wedding photographer all his life.

*crack*
*sip*

Orange rocket good

>>12522622
must have been low on the revenue, or maybe high. Estronaut seems cool, its like all the quirky yas queen exagerated stuff is forced on him but when you see him talk relaxed he clearly wants to take stuff towards the most serious place possible.

The one i hate the most is isaac arthur, stupid idiot playing the victim with his lisp but also pretending like having good grades at a shitty college and doing some time in the military (altough clearly that fat fuck didnt do a single pushuup in his life) and hes a caricature of le ebin atheist feodra tipper. His videos are literally just wikipedia regurgitated and most of the novels he has on his background are shit and so are most the movies he mentions.
He parades his wife like a trophy, like if it was an accomplishment to get a girl like that at age 30, and hes so obviously unaware she isnt "le home scholled virgin" but actually a roastie whos gonna get pregnant with tyrone babies and raise him with his youtube money after she divorces him.

fuck i hate him yes im mad

>>12522642
Expeditions kilometers beneath the surface of Mars, into lava tubes older than Homo sapiens, where we will discover Primordial Truth

>>12522653
Damn nigger that's some real rent free shit going on.

>>12522653
I think Isaac's content is pretty shit for the most part but he seems to have shit on your chest somehow.

>>12522653
Normally i would say seethe and cope, and i do, but i also agree

>>12522651
*snap*
*crackle*
*pop*
Rice Krispies

>>12522622
Bet she regrets it hard now that he is raking in giga YouTube bucks.

>>12522659
Isaac Arthur is a disgusting/horrific scat fetishist. Makes me sick just to think of that man eating and smearing poo. If you want to learn about spaceflight, avoid his channel. Awful man

>>12522676
w h a t

>>12522653
you mean this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g/featured

>>12522653
Isaac Arthur isn't a SpaceNews channel and barely relevant to the thread. Does he even comment directly on SpaceX and NASA shit?

I like all the channels because I can in 2020 watch nothing but futurist/space news and ignore Media outlets entirely which is fantastic for quality of life and morale and a great contrast to 45 seconds of a shuttle launch that gets talked over and then derided as starving Africans as i was used to growing up.

My least favourite I guess is Whoever and Jixuan but they've improved quite a bit.

>>12522603
kinda cool how his chestplate says Ganymede 2

>>12522680
Thunderf00t debunked them

>>12522676
huh?

>>12522680
>45 seconds of a shuttle launch that gets talked over and then derided as starving Africans as i was used to growing up.
i know that feel bro i really do. being thirsty for every few seconds of space stuff in evening news.
>My least favourite I guess is Whoever and Jixuan but they've improved quite a bit.
whoever? link pls

Space Elevators could apparently work on Mars using Kevlar or other existing materials.

How soon should we do it?

>>12522434
Manley's videos are usually pretty shit with low res images he throws up on screen with no context or explanation. His historical stuff is fine but his videos explaining technical details or pretty lacking. Say what you will about Everyday Astronaut, he dumps a ton of time into production value, diagrams, animations, etc. I'd much rather a space YouTuber dumb things down a bit as an entry level crash course so that if you want further info you can do reading on a topic rather than Manley's style of just throwing out the technical lines with no elaboration and then moving on.

everyday estrogen.

>>12522693
I actually prefer Manley's style over estronauts'

>>12522680
>Isaac Arthur isn't a SpaceNews channel and barely relevant to the thread.
none of the aforementioned has any real knowledge about space and youre below kindergarden education level if you believ ethey are "serious" or "based" in any way, its hilarioust hat you an adult would be deceived by the so obvious illusion that youre learning anything from them that makes you look good in any educated circle, if this exchange had ocurred in any place even vaguely serious youd have nightmares the rest of your life about how everyone just couldnt stop laughing at you

>>12522668
see? you know im right

>>12522696
lol!

>>12522692
why bother when you could reach orbit with a rubberband? You'd have to be moving millions of tons of payload off the planet every year to justify the construction cost.

>>12522696
Say that to my face

>>12522706
Slingshot-derived mass driver on Mars when

>>12522706
You could send an absolute shitload of ore back to earth for pennies.

>>12522707
Lmao did everyone miss the underarmour product placement on virgin galactic's suots? aaahahaha

>>12522676
I’ve heard he’s a scat fetishist before but never saw proof

>>12522647
nice, thanks for the link

>>12522710
You still need to send it from Mars GEO back to Earth.

>>12522707
https://youtu.be/WOuI4OqJfQc?t=38

>>12522716
who the fuck would want to see proof

>>12522719
Yeah, but if you make something big enough to haul up a starship, you could launch a payload of nothing but bars of gold or platinum, and barely any fuel. Pure profit, and you don't have to ISRU a ton of fuel.

>>12522427
there's no such thing as "neoliberal" there's economic freedom, which has been the cause of every single good thing that humanity has ever done (some greek and roman stuff, venice geniuses, most of the united states, all european science and advancement, a little freedom was allowed somtimes to russians and soviets and thats the whole reason they ever did anything good) thats on the one side.

on the other side you have opression, hitler, stalin, kings, torture, dark ages, communism, book burning, etc.

theres nod ebate, theres nothing to argue, its good vs wrong. "would you rather have a good happy life in which youre young and have access to a lot of wealth and many young girls service you sexually at your will or would you rather i torture you in the worst way you can imagine for 1 year till you die?"
its a no question, theres only one right side and whoever convinced anyone that theres not is clearly INMENSELEY evil

like seriously. abolish the state and let free market (aka the only kind of freedom that exists) rule everything, imagine your life right now only with your salary is worth twice the money plus it pays no taxes, there are 10 times more job opportunities than now, and you can use it to buy 1000 times better products for 1/10 the current price. And all while being a god tier epic hero of correct morals fighting against the satan tier killyourself tier of smelly communist wrongness.

like
seriously
why do we even keep having to explain this to peoples?

>>12522716
me neither, but damn waht a great way to fuck up a mans reputation, the internet is a horrible yet amazing place

>>12522411
at this rate it will be teleported straight into a museum anyway.

>>12522706
If you build it, they'll come.
It might not actually be as be useful for hauling thing up as it might be for hauling things down, it removes the need for landing which is infeasible for very large vessels.

>>12522731
>imagine your life right now only with your salary is worth twice the money plus it pays no taxes, there are 10 times more job opportunities than now, and you can use it to buy 1000 times better products for 1/10 the current price. And all while being a god tier epic hero of correct morals fighting against the satan tier killyourself tier of smelly communist wrongness.
>this is your brain on libertarianism

Based but ancappery is a myth that will never exist because of political reality and stop typing like a retard.

>tfw when Isaac forgets he's visible streaming again and is head to toe covered in shit.

>>12522725
I’m curious !
Sometimes I get my girlfriend’s poo on my cock after I fuck her in the ass so I’m not bothered much by poo

>>12522653
i figured you were overreacting but then I saw his pictures and immediately understood holy shit

>>12522674
though people dunk on him here he responded to it the chad way. When you go through a tough breakup put all efforts on bettering yourself. Lots of stories of guys going next level this way.

>>12522653
if I'm to play armchair dipshit I feel like EDA has some insecurity/self-loathing issues, but I mean who doesn't? He's cool and has been an obvious net-positive for spaceflight.

>>12522745
One time I thought he was pretending to be Niel Degrasse Tyson.

sn9 is a whore, sn8 was pure

>>12522748
lol i dont normally post this, but it's absolutely time-
https://youtu.be/Hdr6AkmMWl4

>>12522731
>abolish the state and let free market (aka the only kind of freedom that exists) rule everything
>there's no such thing as "neoliberal" there's economic freedom
I don't think you understand what neoliberalism is, its pretty much the opposite of what you're talking about.
Neoliberalism is communism for corporations and capitalism for individuals, ie complete cancer.

>>12522754
She's not a whore she's just a drunk and tips over sometimes, give her a break she's getting her shit together anon.

>>12522731
>imagine believing this
how old are you bud? Just found libertarianism? Its great right?

>>12522737
Year 50.456

the only part of humanity that hasnt joined the utopia virtual reality or the inter galaxy spanning collective inmortal ai set to explore all of creation is a small group of a couple of million or so humans, just enough to run the factories, is about to make its dream come true. sls WILL fly with the europa clipper on

The sentinel ai that was left back to take care of the otherwise deserted system gets a message "please make sure to use the transport beam to get that dangerous thing out of the way after it fails as our deterministic calculations proved it will, and please erase all memories of this embarasing moment before incorporating them into the simulation, we have been good to let them continue this far"

>>12522745
>>12522752
LMFAO come on guys it's just a rumor, don't spread it

>>12522761
She's gonna blow chad's cock on the pad

>>12522749
>if I'm to play armchair dipshit I feel like EDA has some insecurity/self-loathing issues, but I mean who doesn't? He's cool and has been an obvious net-positive for spaceflight.
yeah also, to be fair if one had a cash cow like a revenew generating youtube chanel youd do what you can to take care of it, but considering that he tries to not get carried away by stupid questions and with politeness even points out that the question is very basic, but he doesnt define his personality on it.

i think at the very least we should upgrade him from soi-boi to extremely butch lesbian

>If I call him Estronaut then I'll fit in and people will think I'm cool

>>12522766
fucking kek

>>12522173
That robot would be much cuter if the head and hands weren't uncanny. I could see this thing bearing a medabots looking face or something.

>>12522745
>>12522748
>>12522768
>>12522749
wow, that has to be the only picture where you cant see shit stains on his face, all of them have one if you look hard enough

I like star wars more than star trek. how do i make my dreams real

>>12522731
If this isn't ironic it's the most embarrassing post I've ever seen in this general

>>12522070
>you will live to see massive orbital solar farms brought online
Good to see our bigass defense budget pays off sometimes.

>>12522787
Become a wizard.

>>12522439
Name an alternative for mr based anton. Pro tip, you fucking can't.

>>12522731
Holy shit this is based

>>12522779
>calling him literally anything other than estronaut
Yikes

>>12522777
>trips
what did he mean by this

>>12522794
ok anton lol. go take some english classes, huh bud?

>>12522797
these are the things you cant use if you hate freedom:
computers, airplanes i phones, ipads, furniture, society, education, love, happines.

if you relinquish all of that then i believe youre a truly self believing communist and not someone too ashamed to admit how deeply he was deceived

>>12522777
oh....oh no bros...

>>12522797
sorry
>>12522803
meant for
>>12522790

>>12522803
you forgot pyramids

>>12522748
enjoy prostatitis once bacteria enters your dickhole

>>12522612
Boeing is going to be a worthless company in the near future due to the boomer entitlement obligations. If Boeing is struggling now, consider where they'll be when the boomers are really draining the company's funding.

>>12522812
i think that at some point all of old space will be forced into a huge project to create a starship mockup or continuation

either have them make the 18m starship or nuclear shit, but other than that and they are insta lost

like
imagine youre a company that sells antique muskets (lol) to the goverment in the XVIII century.

then this guy comes along and gives them machine guns, tanks airplanes, nuclear bombs, with all the necesary infrastructure to mantain it, plus its 1000 times cheaper than the muskets.

why the fuck would you keep paying the musket manufacturers, theres just no way, no amount of corruption or anything that can support such uselessness

even changing the us to a monarchy and claiming that boeing owners have a right to earn a certain amount of millions per day would make more sense, at least that way you can plan what to spen don space

>>12522651
It's orange? I thought it was white

>>12522803
Jesus christ man, just reading all your posts in the thread is making me laugh uncontrollably. The common typos, the libterturdianism, the shart sniffing and fedora tipping is off the charts. Thank christ your genes are never getting to space.

>>12522731
I remember reading The Fountainhead as a teenager too.
Protip: removing government just allows corporations unlimited power. Your idealistic, magic version of society is one where a few trillionaires lord over billions of slaves in wage cages.

>>12522794
you could just read abstracts in a russian accent

>>12522800
i should take london classes based on what? curious

>>12522803
>>12522731
>Can't use capital letters
>Objectivist
I'll give you $1000 if you can prove to me you're over the age of 18.

>>12522824
>removing government just allows corporations unlimited power
Inshallah

>>12522766
Simulations and AI should be illegal fuck that creepy shit

BUTLERIAN JIHAD NOW

>>12522832
Leave him alone. We're all librarians here

>>12522811
Been doing it for years and I’m fine

>>12522824
America was fucking based when carnegie and rockefeller were changing the world and supplying jobs, and j.p. morgan was literally funding the federal government with loans. Fuck you

>>12522830
Learn to articulate you bumbling fool

>>12522840
Desu this

>>12522818
? Don’t be delusional about Starship it isn’t going to magically be 100 launches a year
SpaceX has to be their own customer

>>12522824
>Protip: removing government just allows corporations unlimited power

Corporations derive their power from the government, actually.

>>12522841

>>12522840
I'm fine with AI, but what the fuck is the point of a simulation when you already have a real environment to move about in? If you're at the end of time or some shit and you want to squeeze a little more life out before the big freeze maybe, but that's so far off to not be worth contemplating too hard.
Trying to jam people into a simulation just sounds like jail with extra steps.

>>12522847
Neck yourself

>>12522847
>Give the jews even more power
No thanks

>>12522731
I would gladly vote Democrat if they
1) Stopped pushing the KILL WHITEY NARRATIVE
2) Stopped pushing abortion.
But they don’t, so I hate them

>>12522851
>100 tons into orbit for under 10 million dollars
>implying there aren't near limitless applications for this

>>12522854
Because it's way more cost effective to live out your anime harem isekai fantasies with data instead of nanobots and terraformed planets.

>>12522855
spotted the pinkerton fag

>>12522824
Corporations already effectively own the government, if you get rid of the government they will just make a new equally shit one.

>>12522847
As much as I love limited government control, that era was fucking awful if you were just an average Joe.

>>12522854
AI is literally the worst idea ever and that should be obvious.
>Hur dur lets make something incomprehensibly alien and non-human that’s more intelligent than us for no good reason that’ll go well

I’m no Ted but I’ll smash servers with a sledgehammer before that happens

People gullible enough to believe libertarianism is a good thing are the same people who believed that Trump would make america great again.

>>12522860
Cost be damned, what's the point of existing in a little box somewhere? I do that already and it blows.

>>12522860
>What about my retarded NEET fantasies

Some people unironically would rather live in some fake anime universe than reality and that’s one of the most pathetic things I’m aware of.

What the fuck is going on in here?

>>12522869
Reminder that twitter leftists will never contribute to furthering humanity.

>>12522869
He succeeded. And he's not done yet

>>12522875
Yeah but living in a box for godlike power and perceived autonomy for relatively cheap cost will be the logical conclusion considering what the future will have in store socially. Politics will not magically end at some point, even if space habs get cheap enough and people desperately fling them into the darkness there will still be killer nanobots and brainwashing AI trying to fuck your shit up.

>>12522876
>Some people
Dude even in the modern normie sense, people do that. People would rather spend all day sitting in front of their couch watching TV than doing anything else.

SN11 tank section is complete

>>12522882
A demonstration as to why /k/ has a strict "no politics" rule

>>12522233
>>how about launching one large power station (possibly nuclear) that sends beamed power to smaller sats?
THAT'S CALLED THE SUN

>>12522887
It’s disgusting and they should die.

>>12522892
lol in space solar bros btfo

>>12522877
Orel has legs?

>>12522875
>what's the point of existing in a little box somewhere?
because no matter if you tip your fedore at the speed of light, youre nothing but a series of sensory inputs, and if that sensory input is constnat untold pleasure and happines thats what your life will be and theres no difference if the nervous impulse that went to your brain came from your cock actually being engulfed in the pussy of a triple titted jenifer aniston or just a carefully measured zap made by a machine.

but the second way you can provide orders of magnitude more time and pleasure for orders of magnitude more people its also cheaper and safer

Any good long form spaceflight or cuslunar development lectures anons can recommend? Got an hour to blow

>>12522902
Zubrin's original Mars Direct talk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD3U0QcEYXs

>>12522897
>Unironically arguing for the Matrix

Fake bullshit is not as good as real life. Go stick your head in a machine so we can pull the plug and kill you.

>>12522876
This, anons claiming otherwise are insane what the fuck.

>>12522905
>Fake bullshit is not as good as real life.
there is no true and fake shit, theres only electrical impulses in your brain. LEARN this

>>12522886
>Yeah but living in a box for godlike power and perceived autonomy for relatively cheap cost will be the logical conclusion considering what the future will have in store socially

For a soulless materialist like you, maybe.

>>12522848
yuropoor here, dont care at all mate

>>12522910
YOU eat the bugs fag

>>12522912
All autonomy is perceived illusion anyways you might as well maximize the amount of illusory autonomy you experience while alive before expiring as everything is rationally determined by the monad in the first place.

>>12522876
honestly i'd rather anime fags keep their pedophilia confined to their little virtual play pen. cant hurt real children that way

>>12522896
Did. That picture is old

>>12522910
>there is no true and fake shit

Wrong. A “real” experience originates from sensory contact with actual existing things in the physical universe. A “fake” experience is one artificially fed to the brain that presents a falsehood, like your desire to hold hands with your anime girlfriend you have because you’ve never had a real one.

You desire to muddy the distinction because you instinctively feel something flawed about replacing something real with a shifty simulacra, and want that cognitive dissonance to go away.

>>12522929
>honestly i'd rather anime fags keep their pedophilia confined to their little virtual play pen

And once they’re there, you can kill them pretty easily because they’re not paying attention to reality. Isn’t that clever?

>>12522941
indeed

>>12522936
>Shits diaper and says mind body problem has been solved

It's always illiterate retards who are the most insecure. Bro you're just an assembly of memes and genes beyond your control or knowledge and your self is an amalgam of other men's writing and desires.

>>12522936
>actual existing things in the physical universe.
that nice fairy tale has no meaning, do you know what actually happened to make you blurt that combination of words that you particularly like? yep, you guessed it, stimuli to the brain the only thing we knowexists for suresr

very unepic /sfg/ no more politics

>>12522936
>A “real” experience originates from sensory contact with actual existing things in the physical universe.
what a way of outing yourself as a people who would be laughed at by any scientist from a top tier ivy league organization.

i insist, they way you would be laughed at thorougly by the entirety of the room while you were saying something that you were convinced was very smart but finding out in the process it was extremely embarasing would haunt you in your dreams till your last days if ever you dared speak these words outside of your retard circle of people

/sfg/ is shit without actual spacex updates lol.

>>12522952
reddit spotted

>>12522957
Quick, someone go tip SN9 again.

>>12522949
>Trying to rationalize wanting to live in a fake made-up world in a computer over reality by bringing up the mind-body problem

You have fun masturbating to furry porn in your cell, anon.

/smg/ is talking about space more than /sfg/ again

>>12522962
That slut doesn't need help

>>12522952
>that nice fairy tale has no meaning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe
Reddit nihilism leads to you wanting to live in a simulation with your anime waifu instead of living in reality. Figures.

>>12522963
And you have fun not reading things and lacking human autonomy because some old dead guy you never heard of controls your serotonin structure. Like shit man, your entire argument relied on a bold faced denial of the mind body problem which would get an undergrad laughed into the hallway.

>>12522957
The real problem is being on page 1.

>>12522888
SN10 stack when

Can you spergs fuck off and stop shitting up the thread? Thanks.

>>12522964
I suspect the problem will resolve itself in a few days when the asshole undergrads go back to work.

>>12522974
presumably soon. From the outside it looks like the two sections are complete, though in actuality I sure there is some prep work that needs to be done before

>>12522968
There is an obvious and clear distinction between reality, imagination, and computer-generated fiction apparent to everyone without schizophrenia, anon. Holding hands with an anime girl in VRChat is not "real" in the same sense holding hands with your actual girlfriend in an actual park under the actual sun is. You are trying to rationalize escapism. Stop.

>>12522982
Yeah well prove it faggot with a dissertation and be lauded as the best philosopher to ever live? I have no issue with your stance against simulations but your entire argument and world view is retarded and ridiculous like you think your social zeitgeist is some immutable physical law or something.

>>12522985
>Prove my anime girlfriend isn't real

>>12522982
>>12522985

>Holding hands with an anime girl in VRChat is not "real" in the same sense holding hands with your actual girlfriend in an actual park under the actual sun is.
both are equally impossible for both of you so stop arguing

>>12522985
>'a simulation is no different because why wouldn't it be?'
>-an argument by anonymous

>>12522988
>Everyone on 4Chan must be an incel like me or I'd feel uncomfortable and unusual

>>12522988
I had my first child when I was 15.

>>12522976
This. Let’s agree that being a bugperson jacked into a computer 24/7 is degenerate.

>>12522994
not everyone, most people are normal kids, but you too are clearly "girl-free" so to speak

>>12523002
>I had my first child when I was 15.
of course a virgin would have no idea how to boast about a normal sex life

>>12523002
Do you have a link to the mega with every frame? I lost mine lmao

>>12523009
I’ve posted body/gf on Fit before

>>12523009
Nah but I have a whole collection of them though

>>12523004
>You are a virgin because you think living in a simulation is freakish and sad

>>12523018
>But Noooo how can I live out my degenerate anime fantasies?!!!!

>>12523002
>Had a kid at 15
>Refuses to read books
>Brain is a mixture of passed down ideas of other men they have no idea about
>Will allow similar bureaucrats to influence children and pass those ideas on to them
>Did all of the physical work, had sex, had kids, raised them and funded their ideological training all for the sake of carrying other men's memes and ideas into the future
>Reproducing for other men free of charge
>All because they were too lazy to read the books written by smarter people from past ages

That's a yikes from me dog.

great thread /sfg/ i'd like to thank you all for coming out tonight. i hope that we can meet up again some time later and talk about space.