/sci/ - Science & Math

Taco Bell farts

nigger blood

they run on the power of diversity and tolerance

>>12497935
Human girls are put in pods where tentacles harvest their orgasms for energy

>>12497935
the original Nazi ones were fan driven.

>>12497935
Probably a high energy material that exists somewhere in the universe and ayys make use of it for everything they need

>>12498277
Based

>>12497935

Element 115.

>>12497935
Grand unified theory gives an EM-gravity relation so they can manipulate gravity beams like we can with electronics and photons.

>>12498370
Are there any experiments that show this?

We don't know what dark matter or dark energy are.

There are a shit ton of forces that could theoretically be found out we could manipulate to make a space ship hover, we don't even know what most quarks really are and we call them things like "strange" as names because we barely are even aware of them.

it would probably be odd if given how much we do not know that there is nothing to find out that we could manipulate that would today seem like magic to us (like how we can manipulate electromagnetism to do what people of a few hundred years ago could only call magic)

ufo's aren't real so the question is nonsense and any answers even more so.

If you can solve for classical electrogravity, which means to solve for the metric as a function of the electric potential, then you could make anti-gravity with an electrical antenna. I solved this in 2013.

>>12498481
The numbers at the end of the first Cicade puzzle were my DOB and SSN
>05211980
>600744301
as well as the viXra ID's from my earlier papers
>https://vixra.org/author/jonathan_w_tooker

Hi, I am Jon Tooker: the inventor of the time circuit...
https://pastebin.com/uHZrB238

Mundane events related to time travel.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1240030/pg1

John Titor, the Montauk Project, the e-Cat and Geometric Unity
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread966329/pg1

I am the anonymous physicist featured in the black hole article yesterday.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ukbz6/i_am_the_anonymous_physicist_featured_in_the/

>>12498399
>what dark matter or dark energy are
I always have to remember these are mathematically proven.
It still feels like scam to me.

>>12497935
There are no aliens.
Mankind has made many novel types of aircraft in the last 70 years.
One novel way yet to be fully explored in commercial applications is electrostatic that are NOT Ionocraft.
The atmosphere is a gradient of charge. Earth itself has a negative charge and as you go up into the atmosphere its about 500k positive charge before flipping again in a gradient to negative again in the Ionosphere. These gradients will come in bands.
Like charges repel
Opposite charges attract
Unlike magnets, you CAN have a electrostatic monopole. Why? Because whatever POSESSES electrons in large quantities will have a negative charge. You can have a craft that uses this principle to maintain specific altitude if it can maintain charge without bleeding them into the air.

While I lack the terminology/understanding to properly explain it, I read something that superficially made sense to me.
They'd manipulate gravity at specific points in front of their ship (depending on the direction they want to travel) to make their spacecraft always 'fall' in the direction they want to go.
Somehow this would negate momentum or something like that, theoretically explaining supposedly observed behavior of supposed UFOs that make 90 degree turns at crazy speed without the change in direction killing everything on board.

>>12497935
some kind of axiom.

>>12497935
>theoretically
>Not talking warp drive
how about something like this then?
The energy of the 'railgun' momentum is taken from the nuclear reaction of annihilated matter stream and what is left over is used to make new matter/antimatter particles to run through it.
>without ridiculous amounts of energy
bitch you trippin

>>12498926
Conservation of momentum has left the chat

>>12498936
but if the annihilated particles don't have mass then the 'backward' transfer of energy cant carry momentum?
And if they must, could they not be in a form that has less than what they once were, like a photon compared to an electron.
>theoretically

>>12498959
>the annihilated particles don't have mass
Wrong

>>12498936
a better question.. does the equivalent energy of an electron, in photons, have the same mass as an electron..?

>>12498966
ok.. just to help me (and anyone else listening in)
what are these.

h=?
ʎ=?
p = momentum?

>>12498246
not funny

>>12498968
No, photons are strictly massless, however, the electron mass and kinetic energy is "converted" into photon energy according to the relation: [math]E^{2}=m_0^{2}c^{4}+p^{2}c^{2}[/math]
In the case where the initial electron has no kinetic energy, the above relation simplifies into just [math]E=mc^{2}[/math].

Photons still have momentum despite being massless

>>12497935
you could make a hovercraft of that shape / design by having the outer edge of the saucer be a large fan, but it would lack stability
hovercraft of that shape would be easy to make realistically if you had a few discrete fans, but it would still only operate by pushing against the air

>>12497935
its not as hard as it sounds, you just need to [REDACTED] into a [REDACTED] chamber and then [REDACTED] with [REDACTED] alloys

it generates [REDACTED] which when excited with [REDACTED] creates thrust by burning the aforementioned [REDACTED]

the tricky part is getting the [REDACTED] [REDACTED] to [REDACTED] with the [REDACTED] because if you let too much [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] [REDACTED] then [REDACTED] [REDACTED] jewish heritage

>>12498973
My apologies I didn't specify variables

>>12498966
p is momentum
h is the Planck constant
[math]\lambda[/math] is the wavelength of the photon

>>12498980
E is photon energy
[math]m_{0}[/math] is the rest mass of the electrons (or whatever particles are being annihilated)
c is the speed of light in vacuo
p is the momentum of the electrons

>>12498485
what's your credit card number

>>12498996
1234 5678 9090 1111

>>12498980
>Photons still have momentum despite being massless

So if any such device was to work, we would need a converted particle to carry no momentum, and photons are not that particle?...
dam... now I only have a warp drive concept, it's probably equally flawed lol and off topic.

>>12498991
you replied to the wrong Anon, much appreciated response though!
Very interesting and confusing stuff to learn.

>>12498980
This is a common misbelief. It's actually the energy that makes mass and gravity. Not the mass. Energy in the form of photons as well.

>>12498991
disregard that... noob mistake :/

>>12499001
Exactly anon, in order for this to work you would need a particle that a) can carry the energy of the annihilated matter/antimatter pairs but b) also be momentumless.
Let's refer back to
[math]E^{2}=m_0^{2}c^{4}+p^{2}c^{2}[/math] from >>12498980 and you'll see something interesting; for any massless particle, the [math]m_{0}[/math] term will = 0, so the equation goes to
[math]E^{2}=p^{2}c^{2}[/math]
which simplifies to
[math]E=pc[/math]
c is a fixed value so for any massless particle that carries any non-zero energy, it also has momentum, just like the photon, even though it has no mass. So there is no particle possible for such a device

>>12498986
KEK

>>12499018
Did the anon you're replying to imply anything different?

>>12499018
So the energy of the Photons,that equates to mass, still has momentum?

>>12497935
>Einstein

You fucked up right there, a jew is never going to teach you anything that would allow you to escape the goy farm beyond the Antarctic circle. E=MC2 is plagiarized from the Vedas in the first place.

You need to go back in time 6000 years ago to a age when we had more advanced technology and study Aryan Sanskrit texts like the Vedas and following:
Mahabharata
Vaimanika Shastra
Merkabah mysticism (Jewish school of vimanas )
Vimanavatthu
Samarangana Sutradhara
Rig Veda
Kathasaritsagara
Ramayana
Arthasastra of Kautilya
Bhagavata
Vimana-Vatthu of the Khuddhaka Nikaya Sutta pitaka


If you manage to get through all that you should have no problem making a Vimana, disk craft and other UFO's are simply called Vimana's by those in the know since time immemorial.

I am going to skip some steps for you and give you a few hints.

What happens when you fire a centrifugal gun in a box.

What are the Schumann frequencies.

Mercury

Piezoelectric crystals such as quartz resonating a metal hull of a ship

Crystal radio technology as energy

>>12499032
>So there is no particle possible for such a device
Well that sucks... do you know of any groups that are looking into this field of research?

>>12497935
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Pais
Someone should figure out how his patents work. The idea that this is some misinformation campaign by the military seems kind of retarded. There might be something to all this.

>>12499058
You had me at piezoelectric

>>12499061
I work in theoretical particle physics which would probably be your best bet to find exotic matter with peculiar properties which would likely be your only bet for such a device. But don't hold out hope, this isn't the kind of thing anyone in my field is even looking for so the best I can say is something vague like "Superstring theory"

>>12499075
>A "piezoelectricity-induced room temperature superconductor" with the function of enabling "the transmission of electrical power with no losses."

Based, he probably got hit with Invention Secrecy Act like everyone else who makes something interesting. The goyim never get the good stuff.

>>12499083
hmm, just out of curiosity, what are the things you lot are looking for? is it more of a 'lots of small discoveries along the way' sort of search or are there more specific goals that are being looked for?

>>12499083
How does it feel to collect the dole and parrot the lines given to you by your Jewish paymasters?

All the real scientists left beyond the Antarctic circle back in 1945.

>>12499113
My research group has a very narrow and specific goal, we aim to find a theoretical framework for the particles in the universe beyond the standard model, we aim to find models that expand on the standard model without its flaws, mainly the neutrino mass problem; we know for a fact that neutrinos have mass as we've observed neutrino flavour oscillation which is only possible if neutrinos have distinct and non-zero mass states

While you can shoehorn in neutrino masses into the standard model with clever use of some new variables and matrices this seems like a slapstick solution, effectively reducing the strength of the standard model as a predictive model. I.e in order to make the SM work with neutrino masses we have to slap some new universal constants in there and hold it together with tape. This isn't even the only problem with the SM so for decades there's been a search to look beyond it. We're looking for other models that
a)can explain neutrino masses in a more logical manner
b)is compatible with all the particles and physical forces observed thus far
c) can maybe predict particles the SM cant
d)can possibly predict phenomena like proton decay

>>12499119
>the jews are hiding the real science from us!
schizo go home

>>12499172
They smashed all the Vimana's up when the Jewish East India Company invaded Asia.

Pic related.

>>12499172
The Great Eastern all the proof anyone needs history is bullshit.

>>12498360

>>12499058
>a jew
gesundheit

>>12499209
Okay I'll bite, how is this ship proof of History being fake?

>>12498481

We arent in an anti de sitter space, nor is there any evidence to suggest gravity is quantized

>>12497935
Honestly things like this is what /sci should be for. Discussing wild shit within a scientific framework. We should have teams of anons analysing Salvatore Cezar Pais’s patents and papers to see if anything sticks. Academia is too cucked to explore the things out at the fringes.

>>12499534
Advanced hull welding and propeller design not possible in the 1800's nor seen in that era again.

>>12499534
Built in the middle of nowhere on a mudflat far away from the ocean rather then a dry dock by a free mason with hardly any documentation.

It was a washed up ancient hull of a ship that was repurposed.

>>12499534
Highly advanced reactor or diesel main engine that was never used due to complexity, instead primitive water wheels and sails were jury rigged onto it to provide power. The main propeller never saw any use.

>>12499534
It was far beyond the manufacturing capacity of any nation to build at a dry dock in the mid 1800's let alone in the middle of no where.

1879 was the year Edison first demonstrated his own lamp in the USA, This picture is from the 1850's.

>>12499585
Not that the propeller was even used since the (((Free Mason))) clearly could not figure out how the engine worked.

Imagine finding a modern cruise ship and strapping sails and water wheels the the side of it to make it move, that is pretty much The Great Eastern in a nut shell.

>>12499765
>Advanced hull welding and propeller design not possible in the 1800's nor seen in that era again.
Lie.

>Brunel realised that the ship would need more than one propulsion system; since twin screws were still very much experimental, he settled on a combination of a single screw and paddle wheels, with auxiliary sail power. Although Brunel had pioneered the screw propeller on a large scale with the Great Britain

>Built in the middle of nowhere on a mudflat far away from the ocean rather then a dry dock by a free mason with hardly any documentation.
Lie.

>built by J. Scott Russell & Co. at Millwall Iron Works on the River Thames, London.

>It was a washed up ancient hull of a ship that was repurposed.
Retarded.

>Highly advanced reactor or diesel main engine that was never used due to complexity, instead primitive water wheels and sails were jury rigged onto it to provide power. The main propeller never saw any use.
Complete and utter horseshit.

>The power came from four steam engines for the paddles and an additional engine for the propeller.

>It was far beyond the manufacturing capacity of any nation to build at a dry dock in the mid 1800's let alone in the middle of no where.
Why?

>1879 was the year Edison first demonstrated his own lamp in the USA, This picture is from the 1850's.
Lie. The picture is from a completely different ship, the SS Leviathan, which operated from 1914 to 1934.

>>12499566

to add to this, it does seem that the EM field is definitely involved, or maybe the technology of aliens has a side effect on it. this is of course assuming aliens are real, and they have visited us.

https://majesticdocuments.com/pdf/nicap-electromagneticeffects_june60.pdf

a declassified document from NICAP dated june 1960 covers/describes the various EM effects of 81 separate cases of a UFO.

>>12498926
>>12498936

i was also thinking a drive based on annihilation would have been a good idea, perhaps one that doesn't have a 'regeneration' mechanism and just has stored matter/antimatter that it eventually will totally expend over time.

how dumb is this idea?

>>12499862
:"Note: "SS Leviathan" was also an early name for the 19th century ship launched as the SS Great Eastern".

https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/1309957


As for everything else use more then 1 word to refute you mong.

>>12497935
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism#Higher-order_effects

>>12499888
>:"Note: "SS Leviathan" was also an early name for the 19th century ship launched as the SS Great Eastern".
Yes, it was the planned name for she never actually sailed under that name. Another ship did many years later and that is where your picture is from.

https://croisieresetpaquebots.com/ss-leviathan/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Leviathan

>As for everything else use more then 1 word to refute you mong.
I did, read the post again. As usual, you dumb schizos have no response to your idiotic lies getting BTFO one after the other.

>>12498399
>>12498517
New research published by a group from Turin suggests DM may not actually be a thing. They tried doing a more complete GR model of the galaxy working out a full metric for shit like the ISM gas and dust in the disk and shit and found out that it yields a rotation curve that matches observations *without* the need for any additional mass like a DM halo.

>>12497935

>>12497935
Fuck Alcubierre drives and wormholes and hyperdrive and shit. I think the solution is going to end up being far weirder. My money's on something closer to the Infinite Improbability Drive where you exploit some weird fluke of quantum mechanics or whatever to probablistically reappear within some uncertainty of your desired coordinates.

>>12499765
Early metal ships like Titanic did not have welded anything, just rivets.

>>12500286
Anon, kree!

>>12500292
is there even a chance of superluminal propagation of a particle allowed by QM?
IDK Anon.. the wavefunction is defined across all space, is there really a chance some electron's wavefunction on earth really extends to mars and could "collapse" over there?

>>12500346
i think not, basic QM is not relativistic anyway

>>12498391
No.

>>12497935
>What's your idea of how a ufo (alien space ship) could theoretically fly?
"Unidentifiedly", is how. Also, what makes you think they're "alien"?

>If we use Einstein's idea of spacetime, is there some way to make it work?
Space and time have no properties and act upon nothing.

>Not talking warp drive.
What is it that's being "warped" anyway? Certainly not "space" or "time" (because they have no properties to be warped obviously)

>Do we need a better understanding of what space is?
"It is actually something?" would be a great start. How about we begin by testing it in an experiment of some kind, and if we can't actually find "it" to put in said experiment then we know it doesn't exist.

>>12498481
>anti-gravity with an electrical antenna
"Gravity" was never something to be negated in the first place if it was simply an electrical phenomena the entire time.

>>12498986
This guy is the most correct out of all of you given the premise of OP's Question. Don't forget to add a shot of [EXPURGATED] at the end.

>>12498986
>"Let’s just start with whether Hitler was right or not,” he told students. “He was the most correct person there ever was, and was correct in every word he said… he was just on the wrong side.”

>>12497935
I like this schitzo post explanation, personally

>>12497935
humanoids have a fairly good understanding of muh physics. there is no ability to travel to the stars, there each intelligent species is forever isolated if they are they are the only inteligent life within light year of the next.

The good thing is when we do find intelligent life via radio signals from distant worlds we can shit post them all we want and the space niggers can't do a damn thing about it.

>>12497935
a way to negate gravity that we don't know

>>12501734
> Bathyplectes Anurus has entered the chat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzKumjfeaM&t=5s

>>12501665
Disagree with this, we don't know shit, we are stupid monkeys, don't overestimate yourself.
there's a reason we don't pick up radio signals from all over the place. it's probably hardly used to communicate long distances. there could be god knows what possible ways of doing things in the universe. we see (far less) than 1% of the actual workings of the universe. That's why we discover things like quantum physics and find it strange.
We are nothing.

>>12501775
We don't truly understand anything about the universe but only our abstractions of it. Schizos on sci will never understand.

>>12499882
The idea behind the regeneration part is that you conserve the fuel supply.
Without it, you would need too much fuel as it will all be either expelled out like water through a hose or used up in an exhaust reaction, a bit like how conventional rockets work but with a nuclear reaction instead of a chemical one.

The annihilation and regeneration aspects of this concept is not what moves it forward, rather the energy that makes up the matter/antimatter particles is efficiently converted into forward momentum with no exhaust.

You run out of fuel eventually once all the matter/antimatter has been converted into kinetic energy/momentum of the engine moving forward.
We just need a massless/momentumless form of energy/particle to be able to build it... :/

>>12502040
If you just want to convert fuel into light and shoot it down the exhaust just say so. The "light rocket" is not a new concept.

You guys are going about this in the wrong way. Here's what you do. You have a ship that stays connected with the nearest beacon, like a client computer and a server. Whenever the ship decides to translate, it executes a decomposition routine that converts matter into a light pattern which will be caught and decrypted by the far away beacon server. The server will regenerate the ship back to matter. Repeat process, hopping from beacon to beacon.

>>12498277
The ayylmaos power it by 'celebrating' it. lololo

>>12500292
people claim to have seen ufo's split into 2, and there's a video where you can supposedly see that. maybe they can extend quantum entanglement states into the macroscopic world

what if they do not even have to travel from another galaxy to us. what if they are extra dimensional, and live in the same location as us, just in another dimension / universe, just shifting over to our plane , without having to travel a gajillion lightyears even at light speed which would already take infinite energy to achieve. wouldnt it be easier for them to use said infinite energy to break the boundary into our spacetime? extra-dimensional aliens are more feasible than faster than light travel. even if they got it, it would take generations to reach us.

>>12499058
The meds, take them.

>>12499888
Take your meds, damn it.

>>12504899
I can extend entanglement into the macroscopic world.
Put a black marble in a sealed box. Then a white marble into another box. Mix them up... Take one box to Elons palace on Mars.
If Elon opens his box and finds black marble, then your box on earth has white marble, and viceversa. Your measurement is entangled with Elons, despite the distance. FTL!

>>12499802
What's really going to blow your mind is how old and complex telegraphs really are.

>>12497935
Ufos use diesel fuel

Changing the density of space itself which is possible considering gravity waves are possible

>>12506170
exactly what i thought it was many years ago,
but apparently not, they claim it changes when you look at one because math or some shit. i don't really know.

>>12506335
you're just saying they are changing gravity, but how would you do that without having a massive object?

>>12506460
>how would you make wind without having a massive desk fan?
I have no idea, and no one else does

Schizos are coming out of the woodworks

>>12507104
This board is literally just /x/-lite now
They should just rename the board to
/sci/-Science Fiction

You have to admit that of all tinfoil shit Nazi UFOs Powered by Ancient Pajeet Anti-gravity is among the comfiest

I read a book from someone that had an alien encounter that gave a very realistic description of how a such space ship could travel. green text for you

>start with technology to create/delete matter from universe
>stack 2 opposing particle accelerators
>create matter and accelerate it to near light speed
>delete matter at correct point
>this gives a closed system that experiences a reactionary thrust
>accelerate at 1 g to .99c
>rotate ship 180 degrees and decelerate at 1 g for a little
>keep accelerating/decelerating near light speed to simulate gravity for those on board
>because you're traveling at this speed you might crash into space debris, so you need armor plating in an "aerodynamic" shape
>wrapping a particle accelerator in an "aerodynamic" armor plating gives us the famous ufo disc shape

simple as

>>12499119
i wish Jews paid me to shitpost on /sci/
Take your meds bro

>>12507104
>>12507107

no fun allowed guys have arrived. this is perfectly ok, jesus christ

>>12506460
an Alcubierre drive but it violates QM or some shit

>>12507168
>start with technology to create/delete matter from universe
you could just as well start with harry potters magical wand?
how exactly do you envision this could happen?

energy = mass

by the way, how much energy or mass would have to be used if you could do something like this to accelerate a craft? let's say they have antimatter as fuel.

>>12499047
I never got the momentum bullshit that everybody talks about. The box with photons that create mass hurr durr, nobody answered my question on it.
"momentum: the quantity of motion of a moving body, measured as a product of its mass and velocity." hence you need mass to create momentum.
The energy of the photons still equates to gravity as I understand it.

>>12502272
>If you just want to convert fuel into light and shoot it down the exhaust

no, nothing 'leaves' the engine THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. The engine converts the energy, that is in the form of matter/anti matter, into momentum. No waste, no mess, no clean, just go

>>12497935
they superposition the entire spacecraft and then just manipulate the wave function so that they collapse into whatever point in space they want to be in.

>>12498419
/thread

Kill everyone else in this thread.

>>12506170
>Take one box to Elons palace on Mars.
Taking it to Mars took longer than FTL.

>>12509049
same with the entanglement experiments, isn't it.

>>12508802
I mean, sounds legit

>>12497935
Mach's principle isn't completely incorporated into GR, so I guess it would use some rotational-type effect. Kinda like a Tipler cylinder, but without being infinitely long. Perhaps it's possible to find a design where a Tipler torus works that rotates heavily and has enormous mass.

>>12499058
Incredibly Based beyond comprehension.

>>12497935
Exploitation/manipulation of the false vacuum of the universe either with quantum thrusters (think casimir effect or mEMe drive) or by using some extreme high frequency device to negate/repel aether creating a true vacuum that doesn't obey restrictions on speed of light/matter and such, although this would technically be warp drive which OP said not to mention.

>>12506088
Fuck you, Rassilon
We're coming for the web of time

>>12512038
>true vacuum that doesn't obey restrictions on speed of light/matter
That perceived "limit" is a property of hyperbolic spacetime, not our vacuum. It won't change.
I don't get why people still use speed in relativistic contexts. It makes more sense to use rapidity for hyperbolic spacetimes (the linearization of which is speed), and it grows infinitely.

>>12500295
But...I can't.
I can't kree!

>>12497935
But even the electrogravitronics are warp drive in it's sense.

>>12512038
>>12512392
how about the fact that warp drives would violate energy conservation?
warp to space from earth and you have potential energy suddenly.

>>12498419
UFOs aren't alien. Any unidetified aircraft can be called unknown flying object.
>>12499802
Edison honed the lamp design. First electric lamps were created at the beggining of 19th century.
>>12497935
The question is how to bypass lightspeed limitation.
If we speaking about sublight travel, that requies a lot of time then we need long-living aliens that don't get bored easy.
Or aliens that arriving from station in relative vicinity of Sol system.

>>12498481
what metric?

>>12500265
sauce?

>>12497935
I thought about making my own flying saucer, a weather balloon shaped like a flying saucer, filled with hydrogen.

>>12509493
Yes

>>12497935
Conversion of the entire vessel into electromagnetic waves, that coalesce back into the physical vessel upon reaching the destination.

>Not talking warp drive.
>If we use Einstein's idea of spacetime, is there some way to make it work?

that's what a warp drive is you daft cunt
I don't know how we could manipulate spacetime in the correct way. It would involve a lot of clever wave manipulation.

>>12512428
Don't tell anyone what it is. That way to everyone else it's a legit UFO.