/sci/ - Science & Math

First for the finest

too early you impatient nigger

>>12487434
>manned venture star
Neat.

>>12487437
Seethe

>>12487438
KSP2 can't come out soon enough

First for Zubrin smellposting. Btw he smells very kosher and not italian

How long before i can retire on the moon with my tall moon waifu?

>>12487476
you will never be a moon wizard

>>12487476
Sorry bud, pedophilia might be allowed on Earth, but it's banned on the Moon.

>>12487476
IIRC she is 12.
Does that mean you can be legally pedo on the Moon?

>>12487467
Jews and italians are basically interchangeably

>>12487499
ok u dont have to be antisemetic about it

>>12487495
It's okay, i'm a muslim, i can legaly rape children in the west.

>>12487495
biden is president now bitch
we can sniff all the little girls we want

>>12487509
pff you still believe biden won? trump has plenty more aces to play retard. cant wait to see your face come january

>>12487515
Trump had multiple states vote faithless elector for him and it still wasn't enough to win.

We gotta new flap bois!

>>12487515
>trust the plan
Bro, this shit was intended to keep you passive. If you guys took to the streets en mass you’d have a chance. But you won’t.

>>12487527
phantom express but on top of New Glenn

phantom express but on top of New Glenn

>>12487527
>they're repairing it
I guess the tanks didn't get dinged up. Fucking amazing.

>>12487515
this shit isn't even funny anymore it's just sad

It's crazy to think that they're just repairing SN-9 and replacing one flap instead of scrapping the whole thing. Starship seems to be a lot more robust than you'd generally expect from a large aerospace structure. Must be the steel.

>>12487630
Imagine if this happened to one of the shuttles.

I don't understand the retards who expect SN9 to get scrapped just because it got a bit tipsy.

>>12487648
If starship were built like your standard Al-Li large diameter tank, it'd be reasonable to assume they'd scrap it. Steel behaves under an entirely different paradigm

>>12487700
>10 barrels left plus a dome, pipe, and fins
I'm getting hyped.

Explain me how they come back from the moon, and have the right angle and what is the energy used.

>>12487726
On Apollo, after the astronauts returned to the capsule in orbit, they'd fire their service module facing prograde relative to the Moon and retrograde relative to Earth. This would send them out of lunar orbit while simultaneously lowering their perigee to intersect with the Earth's atmosphere.

>>12487644

That would a repair job spanning multiple years.

>>12487739
They'd almost certainly pull out any valuable components and scrap the airframe.

>>12487738
I see, and once back in the capsule, what sort of energy do they use to activate the move back, and out from the orbit ?

>>12487749
The Apollo service module used a single AJ-10 rocket engine for major maneuvers. The AJ-10 mixes Aerozine 50 (which is a mixture of 2 types of hydrazine) and nitrogen tetroxide, which burn on contact, to produce thrust.

>>12487749
>what sort of energy
Chemical energy which is transformed to kinetic energy.
And if you're one of those "muh vacuum" people, we do pack our own oxidizer. We're not complete fucking idiots.

>>12487659
It's a goddamn prototype. They would still haul her to the pad, and went through all the tests imaginable, to get any data out of this. And if all goes right, it will be further proof that Starship works.

what if starship sn9 ends up working but only because the tippening fixed it and later the untipped sn10 will fail again

>>12487830

Then they'll slam every Starship against the wall before launching them.

>>12487648
It depends on the damage.
You can't really estimate that just by a pic.
And even if it's scrapped sn10 is behind the corner anyway.

>>12487757
>>12487738
Where did you learn all that ?

>>12487830
They will have to go through SN10 to SN14 either way.

>>12487853
It's still a test article. It literally exists for the sole purpose of testing, not for the purpose of presenting some sign of activity, my dear oldspace dev.

>>12487830
New practice emerges: instead of christening a ship, you tip it.

>>12487855
Combination of playing KSP, watching Scott Manley videos, and scouring Wikipedia when I put off schoolwork.

>>12487867
I don't tip

>>12487891
>the entire space program, it’s a metaphor for big dicks

Elon here, AMA
Yeah I post on 4chan deal with it

>>12487918
Prove it sonny boy

>>12487918
Does grimes eat your ass?

>>12487918
Elon, why did you cuck johnny depp?

>>12487425
Is Elon Musk Obama?

>>12487930
Only once, you should try.

>>12487938
It's part of the plan to get to Mars. Also, that faggot deserved it.

>>12487700
Oh god oh fuck imagine the THROOST when it takes off.

>>12487648
You can't just tip aerospace grade hardware and expect it to work it's not that simple with spaceflight.

>>12488018
Can’t just smooth out dents and reweld seams, she’s totalled...

>>12487700
2 engines just seems a bit underpowered.

is cheap second stage reuse ACTUALLY possible? i'm feeling doubts anonymouses

>>12488040
Why not
It’ll land just like a first stage... and then you reuse it...

>>12487918
Will you have nuclear ships be built later in the future?

>>12487918
CAN I work at spaceX ?

>>12488040
Depends on its size. The smaller it is the harder until it reaches impossible.

>>12488040
Man I have nutted so many times to those kasen animations by yassy

>>12487852
You mean put the interns up against it and beat them. SpaceX is known for it's efficiency like that.

>>12488031
it will have 8 slots, but they will use 2 for the initial 150m hop. if its successful maybe they will add more for higher hops.

>>12487938
Why'd he have to fuck Delavingne too, that bitch ugly af.

>>12488075
because she's there

>>12488113
She doesn't even shave, the foul fucking cunt.

>>12487499
Southern italians*

>>12487515
If Trump was actually able to overturn the election then he never would have lost in the first place.
He lost. Whether it was fair and square is besides the point; that's not how things work in the US, or anywhere really. There are no fair elections.

>>12488146
what is even the point of the pretense of "fair elections"

>>12488148
To keep us from killing those ruling over us in endless bloody revolt. Same reason for football and cinema.

>>12487104
This came up linked from that video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWBNcMyfiGQ
Sounds like we might have a new propellant chemical to look at!

>>12487576
Seriously, who knew some /pol/ shitposting in 2016 would lead to almost half the country living in a completely fantasy world

>>12487571
I figured they'd at least have to replace the mounting fixture, but they're not even doing that. I guess we need a cryotest for final confirmation, but as of now it's looking like SN9 handled her tip like a champ.

>>12487710
that's a long fucking pipe

>>12488154
>implying it hasn't always been fantasy-world for the majority of the populace regardless of which flavor of dick you vote for
Death to the "parties", but anyway back to spaceflight

>>12487571
Turns out that it's that easy in rocketry

The Space Force leader is finally on the Joint Chiefs.

>>12488212
SLS would have survived the tip

>>12488217
Is it a gayer version of the Air Force?

>>12487451
>>12488217
Will KSP2 have anti-satellite missiles?

What about space debris?

>>12488218
It might, but then Boing would just demand to scrap the core to get more money

>>12488229
Stop getting your political views from Comedy Central.

>>12488231
>Will KSP2 have anti-satellite missiles?
You can probably make your own

Serious question for you guys.

How do you guys see interstellar travel working?

I'm thinking it'll be like

>telescopes scan nearby star systems until they identify an exoplanet with a mostly oxygen atmosphere
>once we've learned everything we can from earth based telescope, we send a small drone with an orion drive to do a suicide flyby and pick up as much information as possible as it's whizzing by the planet at a double digit percentage of C
>genetically engineer plants that can grow on the planet's surface
>send over a colony ship, possibly a generation ship, also fueled by an orion drive or other nuclear technology
>ship acts as basically a giant sperm cell, dropping off just enough supplies and genetic material to create a self sustaining colony
>everybody has like 10 kids, within a few centuries, there's a more or less functional industrial society

>>12487918
why are you so fat?

>>12487879
I should get back on KSP. But hardcore, no mechjeb

>>12488252
it will never happen because there's no military value in it.

>>12488252
I agree with your assessment except for the suicide probe. Interstellar spacecraft that are meant to reach a system within any reasonable time wont be cheap enough to throw away like that. Most likely the seed ship and its colony making tools would be adaptive for a given environment. Worse case scenario, the colonists and their descendants live in space cylinders until easy terraforming comes along.

>>12488256
Mechjeb is a must for transfer windows and efficient ascents.

Musk has been reusing rockets for a while, why are launch costs still $50 million?

>>12488265
what makes you think that?

>>12488269
There is no stars, you idiots. It is just a bacground layer.
The programmer only finished the solar system, and even then he half-assed the gas planets.

>>12488252
Starshot type probes would be way cheaper than an Orion drive. And if we're taking about generation ships anyways, they'd probably see a habitable planet as a bonus, but not a necessity to colonizing that star system, and just build since ONeill cylinders

>>12488280
Because he needs more money for dem Mars programs

>>12488286
Name one spacecraft that didn't have military origins
Space Shuttle? Design was dictated by USAF requirements
Planetary probes? Used surplus military spy cameras
Apollo? Was to show that American ICBM tech was better

>>12488280
launch costs internally are 28 million, 22 million with reused fairings

>>12488280
Fuel
Still have to pay staff to check the F9 and replace parts
Have to fuel the drone ships
Have to refurbish anything broken, the pad, etc
Have to replace the engines occasionally
Have to make some money for development of Starlink, Starship, etc
All the costs associated with running a launch complex, the staff launching the rocket, setting it up on the pad, working on infrastructure, etc
Also the launch cadence of the F9 is excellent but it needs to be even higher to drive the cost down, and there aren't enough customers willing to spend a few million on a rideshare to justify building more F9s/additional launch complexes, staffing, etc. As with all things economy of scale is king, but there just isn't enough to demand (at even the most modest price point) to stimulate more growth.

>>12488309
>thinking all spacecraft going forward will only be developed if they have military value
starship will enable cheap interplanetary spacecraft constructed in orbit
>>12488314
Again, its not 50 million internally, its 28 million with 22 million with fairing reuse

>>12488280
Gathering profit for future Mars missions. Also I think if SpaceX made their launches any cheaper then they would get charged with predatory pricing.

>>12488321
Where did I imply it's 50 million internally?
I mentioned that a lot of F9's costs are more about funding for future programs and pure profit.

>>12488314
Sounds like it's a failure.
>>12488312
That's more or less the same as the rumoured Soyuz launch costs. So despite all this effort F9 is still not cheaper than a rocket designed in the 1950s.

>>12488332
>That's more or less the same as the rumoured Soyuz launch costs.
Source?

>>12488321
Okay but we are talking about interstellar spacecraft.

>>12488332
>F9
>a failure
The F9 costs nearly 10mil cheaper than it's nearest competitor (the Soyuz) and more than 30-50mil cheaper than other commercial launchers in it's size class. Internally the Soyuz costs 30-45 mil, and it's also far, far less capable than the F9 so they aren't even really comparable. The F9 lifts bigger payloads, does it more frequently, on a more useful trajectory, and for less, than a Soyuz. No other rocket comes even CLOSE to the relative cheap cost of an F9, particularly for it's performance and abilities. The only other current commercially available rocket that even has a niche after F9 is the Atlas V because it gets better performance for planetary transfers than the F9, and a Falcon Superheavey can get nearly the same performance for cheaper than the Atlas V anyways.

>>12488343
My apologies Soyuz is rumoured to be $20 million per seat so $60 million. F9 is not a failure then. However it is still a far cry from the order of magnitude drop promising to make spaceflight accessible for everything. I still think that was marketing hype.

>>12488332
Soyuz has less then half the payload of Falcon 9. So its comes down to 1794.87$/kilogram into LEO with Falcon 9 vs 3988.60$/kg into LEO with Soyuz
>>12488344
And interstellar spacecraft won't happen until there is cheap interplanetary travel, which would imply heavy commercialization of space travel.

>>12488355
Ok, so assuming in between 30-45 million lets be fair and give them a launch cost of 37.5 million. That comes up with a payload to LEO cost of 5341.88$/kilogram.

>>12488358
>However it is still a far cry from the order of magnitude drop promising to make spaceflight accessible for everything.
I don't recall if SpaceX ever promised an order of magnitude drop in launch costs for the Falcon 9, but the rocket failing to do so isn't surprising. It's an expendable rocket design that has been modified to be reusable. It's not ideal for the task SpaceX is aiming for, but the rocket is still impressive. It upended many outdated rocket design philosophies while being commercially viable.

>>12488252
>nuclear pulse propulsion factory ship that will produce everything, people included, on-site
>nuclear fusion propulsion factory ship built around natural or artificial ice comet that will cannibalize it during the journey and produce everything, people included, on site
>bonus points for starting the production before arrival

>>12488280
because no one is able to compete. why lower prices if you're already the cheapest and best around

>>12488360
It's comparing apples to oranges, interstellar travel is many orders of magnitude harder and more expensive. In fact musk's plans are detrimental to interstellar flight because he intends to do interplanetary flight solely with chemical technology meaning that if his starship is successful in reaching all the planets then nuclear technology will never be developed. It's kind of like how clipper ships effectively delayed the development of steamships because they were so fast and efficient that steamships weren't worth it until well into the 19th century.

>>12488280
There is zero proof he is reusing rockets and even less proof it is cost effective.

>>12488380
He's reused a few, I forgot the numbers but it was a fair amount. And the prices people here have given have checked out.

>>12488380
What makes you think that?

>>12488378
>just wait for the new propulsion technologies bro by the time the voyagers leave the solar system we would have retrieved them using uss memeprise it's pointless to do it now!
>t. some decades ago

I seriously hope you don't think this is a meme post despite the tone.

>>12488368
So Falcon 9 is roughly 3x cheaper without fairing reuse. With fairing reuse, falcon 9 costs 1410.25$/kilogram into LEO, or 3.7x cheaper then Soyuz.
Its also important to remember that Falcon 9 is very much an intermediate step between "true" reusability and expendability. Starship is designed to be "truly" reusable, and its primary advantages are that it uses steel, which does not slowly get weaker over time like the current alloy used in Falcon 9 (which reduces refurbishment time MASSIVELY), the fact it uses methalox engines, which don't collect massive amounts of soot after every use like keralox engines do (which also reduces refurbishment time MASSIVELY), and that it is fully reusable, which means SpaceX doesn't have to build a new upper stage for every flight. With all these factors combined, I think that SpaceX will be able to reach a minimum refurbishment time/maximum cadence of at least 1 launch per day with the same starship, which would be a MASSIVE launch cadence increase, which in turn would massively lower launch costs. So to sum it up, the truly massive launch cost reductions won't come until we see the rapid reusability planned with starship.

>>12488387
I never said was he was doing was bad I just pointed out that it is detrimental to the development of the propulsion required for interstellar flight.

>>12488386
It's a popular conspiracy theory amongst Musk haters

>>12488380
He's reused a lot, what the fuck are you on about?
>>12488398
Its actually beneficial because nuclear propulsion would likely only be developed by governments which would rely on very expensive expendable launchers to get shit into orbit, which would mean space would mostly just be a few small scientific outposts at BEST for the next couple centuries. With a fully reusable system like starship and the launch cost reductions it creates, building massive solar arrays in space to power large lasers used for interstellar laser propulsion is MUCH cheaper.

>>12487738
I learned this trick on my own in KSP

>>12488398
Anon, how is actually doing private expansion in the solar system detrimental to interstellar flight? You think the NASA or Roscosmos or someone's gonna build an arc ship? This shit is basically identical to claiming he'll hurt muh science because more people will be doing science on the field and... yeah.

>>12488392
I think Starship is a good idea, I just wish they would dump the meme upper stage design. I.e get rid of the windows and "100 passenger seats" and make it cargo only or cargo + 10 passengers

>>12488153
fluoroantimonic acid has a high molecular weight and doesn't pack much energy, it's just very strong in a pH sense and thus is able to attack many substances.

>>12488421
You do realize there are multiple variants of starship, including a cargo only variant that will not carry any crew? On the other hand there is also a crew variant that has the primary goal of transporting large amounts of people to destinations of space. But the crew variant probably won't be made until 2024. It seems like you know very little about the starship project in general.

>>12488231
Anti-sat missiles are easy, you just slap together a single stage suborbital vehicle that's made up of an engine, a tank, a fairing, and a cluster of decouplers with the ejection force turned way down. To take out targets you launch so that your cloud of debris will intercept the satellite as it passes by,

>>12488447
destinations in space*

>>12488451
Not him and I haven't played ksp since ~v1.0 but I don't remember it detecting inspace collisions unless you were actually playing with the object or it touched one of the celestial bodies.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=104482&RequestTimeout=1000
From the next year onwards, Starlink missions will now be called "Starlink RF Mission X-X". First one is 1-1, second 2-1 and so on. Another brilliant naming scheme by spacex.

>>12488274
Fuck I really need to learn the vocabulary and principles

>>12488252
>swarm of free-floating habitats in solar orbit built from asteroid belt materials
>0.01% of these free floating habitats decide to pack a lunch and go colonize a nearby star, fire up their direct-nuclear propulsion systems and depart at ~ 1500 km/s for this new star
>thousands of years later the swarm of about one million habitat ships arrives and starts mining asteroids/comets/whatever small objects exist in this star system.
>thousands of years after that the process repeats
This will likely grow naturally into the dominant form of interstellar colonization simply because all the other methods that get you there a lot sooner also bring far fewer resources along. The colonists that left as a huge swarm with a population of billions of people will be able to build up their resources in the new star system to the point of being capable of splitting off more fragments to go colonize more stars more often than any of the other methods.
>but muh slow transits!
They don't need to be slow, the departing fleets could all use particle beam propulsion to achieve monstrous velocities, but it's not actually necessary. Also, if 99.9999% of your civilization's population lives in space habitats already, there's no real difference in their lives if they live in the swarm around the Sun or live in the smaller swarm coasting towards Proxima or wherever.

>>12488486
>but muh slow transits!
They don't need to be slow, the departing fleets could all use particle beam propulsion to achieve monstrous velocities, but it's not actually necessary. Also, if 99.9999% of your civilization's population lives in space habitats already, there's no real difference in their lives if they live in the swarm around the Sun or live in the smaller swarm coasting towards Proxima or wherever.
I think that fast transits would be common anyways.

>>12488486
False. This may happen a few times but whoever decides to colonize the whole galaxy will do it much faster. We have enough materials in one solar system to send ships to every star and it's literally millions of times faster if you don't slow down stop and build up new ships again

>>12487425
SO THIS IS THE POWER OF DEMOCRATS LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
>“Trying to exclude them I think is a failing strategy,” Pam Melroy, a former astronaut who is serving on Biden’s NASA transition team and is among those being considered to lead the space agency, told POLITICO before the election. “It’s very important that we engage."

>>12488523
based

Anyone read the articles about biden advisors urging cooperation with china? Faggots said never gonna happen few weeks back but...
What are the implications? ITAR goes? Mutual lunar mission if they agree to take the lead?

>>12488523
OH BOY CAN’T WAIT

>>12488523
Fucking beat me to it.

>>12487434
>still sperging for failed/unrealized meme-rockets
When will this turbo-autism ever end?

>>12488380
You underestimate the autism of some SpaceX fans, people are able to recognize the soot patterns on used boosters and know which booster was used previously on which flight.
>d-doesn't prove they reuse the engines!!
Who cares, when the engines are only a few hundred thousand dollars apiece? The stage itself is by far the most expensive part. Besides that, they definitely are reusing those engines, otherwise Elon wouldn't keep bringing up how shitty a fuel kerosene is (they have to clean the turbine blades of the engines after each mission because of soot buildup).

>>12488530
it means knee capping US private space so that China can grab all the prestige missions first as political leverage for trade or IP or something else. Biden is going to sell US space aspirations to the Chinese because they want it and he doesn't.

>>12488523
>Democrats are just as harsh on Glorious China, the country that will rule the 21'st century and beyond praise Mao, as the nazipublicans anon stop believing conspiracy theories and fake news!

>>12488543
I can smell the ban on high altitude methane and co2 rocket vapors already...

>>12488543
You anti-biden folks are schizophrenic. Biden isn’t going to make NASA better, but he certainly won’t be raping it to death for chinese interests jesus christ

>>12488544
I still remember vividly when my history professor happily declared that China will rule the 21st century and nothing can stop them.

>>12488523
My biggest fear with regards to Biden/democratic party.

>>12488392
>it uses steel, which does not slowly get weaker over time like the current alloy used in Falcon 9
Eeeh, a more accurate way to say this is that with proper design, the stress experienced in any given point of the vehicle's structure will never exceed the fatigue limit of steel, whereas aluminum alloys have no fatigue limit and therefore WILL have a definite cycle lifespan.

>>12488523
>>12488530

i don't think it'll be as dramatic as
>>12488543
but i think biden is trying ways to give up on artemis and not spend any effort on it (either pushing it along or "rebranding" it), probably try to piggyback on the chinese lunar effort and say that NASA helped too and it's a great achievemnt for united humanity or some related bullshit

>>12488523
Betcha there isn’t a single goddamn R voter in Spacex, hope they get what they deserve

>>12488523
Is it illegal to hope that someone extrajudicially executes these people for treason? Asking for a friend.

>>12488551
Why didn't you throw something heavy at his face that very moment? These faggots never suffer the repercussions of their treasonous bile.

>>12488551
90 percent of humanities/soft "sciences" professors are hard liberal.

>>12488551
A faggot whose lectures I had to suffer through some years ago held similar views. He was also avid anti-totalitarianist, humanist, and anti-imperialist. Not sure what water these people drink.

>>12488564
>hard liberal
Communist is the term you're looking for.

>>12488558
that's some sjw tier post 2016 whinging, you can be better than that

>>12488557
there are and there's really no details on what china asskissing here means exactly
for all we know spacex will be left alone to do their thing

>>12488571
Yes

>>12488523
Clinton sold space station freedom to the russians, biden will sell ??? to the chinese.
What's ???

>>12488562
Need to get a good grade above all else since I want to be a medfag, and rule 1 of getting an A in non-science classes is to just agree with whatever slop your professor wants you to believe.

>>12488580
starship schematics

>>12488523
>is top economic and military competitor in virtually every other realm
at least we got this one

>>12488585
>not landing software

>>12488547
It has nothing to do with NASA, they can keep going on their merry way getting nothing done with whatever budget they want. What they're going to take down is Trump's Space Policy Directives (Biden literally said he's going to undo every single executive action) leaving any private company with legitimate space aspirations in legal uncertainty. Do you really think if the CCP told the Biden admin that in exchange for forcing a more restrictive interpretation of the OST on American private space, they'd concede something about trade or diplomacy, he wouldn't take it? Nobody up there values space exploration at all. It would be like getting it for free.
It's two things: the ease with which the US government can stop private space in its tracks and the disparity between the CCP boner for space and the Biden admin ambivalence. It's obvious that if they see it in their interest to send US private space down the river in exchange for something else they weigh more (literally anything), they'd jump at the opportunity. This is how politics works and honestly a large number of people would agree with the decision.

>>12488580
Probably regulations to tame private spaceflight and keep it under the lid of public-private-international relations. Planetary protection is definitely going to see a bump in the coming years.

>>12488523
>(((jackqueline feldscher)))

>>12488592
You really think the federal government would throw Elon under the bus like a rat immigrant? Especially now that the DoD is expressing interest in Starship along with F9’s already-established launch reliability for secret satellites? Nah

>>12488558
Tory, get the ULA snipers.

>>12488604
Why not? They keep the sat launch capability - military types satisfied. What's being traded are "dreams".

>>12488609
Wait what? What the hell are you even trying to say hahah

>>12488604
They can still easily pass laws to drag things out by years, look at how easily these people killed the entire nuclear power industry

Suppose they aren’t permitted by the FAA to launch people

>>12488592
The Senate will decide our fate, so vote GAnons. Just need to keep things rolling until 2024, when some hardcore trumpist young republican who is capable of stringing together full sentences will come along.

>>12488613
What I'm saying is any deals with china that cripple private spaceflight might have no impact whatsoever to DOD pet projects. What's being trade is of no value to one of the sides.

>>12488614
Why the fuck does everyone here have a raging boner about a) the government stopping musk, and b) a revolutionary war for martian independence
both of these scenarios are so incredibly stupid but you guys can’t help but play doll house, as if Musk HAS to be the underdog in your head or something

>>12488604
of course they won't, but they can slow things down
and what about future companies who hasn't established themselves yet?
it's too early to be crying doom and gloom but it'd be stupid to just wave this away

>>12488398
The only situation in which is makes sense to develop very high efficiency high power propulsion systems such as what are necessary to do interstellar voyages is a situation in which there is real incentive to spend that effort. The best way to generate that incentive is to colonize everything within the solar system that we can reach with our current/near future technology, because having real people actually living across those huge distances and depending on transportation for their actual real world economies and survival will light fires under their asses to come up with solutions to those problems.

>>12488616
The senate should be dissolved
what's the most corrosive acid anons

>>12488605
ULA has been trying to push legislation that'd make it harder for American aerospace companies to have any connections to Chinese firms. I think it's mostly a tool to bludgeon against Musk and his factories in the country, but it's a good start.

>>12488633
Kek. I think the answer would be fluoroantimonic acid

>>12488031
It weighs 50% more than starship

holy fucking kek how did I miss this

>>12488643
>how did I miss this
Because it's almost certainly photoshop?

>>12488643
Wtf???? Uh... n-no Mr. Bruno ha ha, that wasn’t me using racial slurs and shit talking ULA online!

>>12488636
a useful coincidence i suppose
but eh, like you said, it's mostly there as a musk roadblock

>>12488031
Its likely gonna be a small 150m hop and not really a orbital flight.

>>12488592
We can, at the very least, expect there will be no more talks about pulling out of the OST. If they don't sign some moon-treatyish nightmare we should consider it a great sucess.

>>12488622
You can't pretend like there aren't factions out there that are outright hostile to aspirational space exploration goals. The fact is the current administration is basically ambivalent meaning that it's whoever has the most influence over the administration gets their way, be that oldspace corporate lobbyists or the vocal voterbase that wants all spending to go to welfare or the CCP or newspace itself playing the political game.

>>12488651
I'm not a fan of the sheer sluggishness of traditional aerospace and defense companies, but at least they're unlikely to ever want to work with the Chicoms (Boeing's fellatiating of commies in exchange for airline orders notwithstanding).

Got some info from SpaceX. Company is somewhat divided on what to do with SN9 even though the winds show it attempting a flight. Also Raptor is a tough bastard to deal with a delays are expected with Superheavy.

>>12488665
Can confirm my uncle works at nintendo he said it's hopeless short tesla now.

>Another thread where people fantasize about an evil communist conspiracy to ban outer space

>>12488517
A fleet of a million habitats could do what you and I both said. They'd shotgun forwards a vanguard of a few tens of thousands of ships to get to an oncoming star system ahead of time, set up factories and particle beam arrays and mining operations, then start sending materials on a trajectory that intercepts the oncoming fleet at a manageable relative velocity to let them restock. The vanguard ships stay in the system to build it up, the fleet mostly passes through, except for the several percent of the population that wants to slow down and stick around in that star system.
I didn't mean actually stopping the entire fleet, though I see that the way I wrote my other post it comes across like that. Just imagine a cone of colonization expanding forwards as the main fleet moves and grows and divides, and then the colonized systems in the wake of this first wave eventually sending out their own massive shotgun colonization swarms, eventually approximating a spherical wave of colonization hat encompasses the entire galaxy over time.
Once the galaxy is mostly seeded we can construct the laser highways necessary to send even larger colonization fleets on ten-thousand-lightyear-long acceleration pathways to go intercept other large galaxies millions of ly away.

>>12488122
Shaving is stupid. You're a pedophile or something if you think natural human body hair is bad

>>12488523
It's treason then

>>12488683
Unliiiiiimiteeeed treeeeeasoooon

>>12488672
Seconded my wife's son works at Bioware and he says the same.

>>12488537
Venture Star is not a rocket you retarded piece of shit.

>>12488678
what?
there's no commie ploy to ban space, they want to go there themselves
the conspiracy is about keeping red blooded burger americans from fulfilling their manifest destiny as rightful rulers of outer space

Is this thing based or retarded? I can’t make up my mind

>>12488683
International partnership and friendship is not treason.

It's important we tackle unrestrained capitalism so we can build back one better future, together, all of us.

>>12488701
>International partnership and friendship is not treason.

Yes it is.

>>12488699
it won't be going to mars so definitely not based

>>12488695
>not a rocket

Ah. As time advances the arrival of the underaged americans heralds the age of retardation on /sfg/. Might have to give a bit more elaborate answers to the homework threads, to maximize damage.

>>12488699
It looks like a cool hotwheels toy you wanted when you were a kid because it looked 'futuristic'. I am convinced this was Elon's specific, autistic thought process. I like it, the retracting bed-cover thing is cool.

>>12488699
Once you see it on the street facing in front of your face, you'll see how badass it is. Not only is it "in your face" design wise, but if you actually see it in real, it will make you do a double take. It will be intimidate any ICE drivers who think "EVs are for fags and twinks." This is the EV's answer to ICE trucks.

>>12488523
Why is /sfg/ against this? Could be another US-Soviet-esque partnership where we put a stop to China's space ascendance and they slowly collapse

>>12488699
Looks pretty cool I'd use it to run over
{{{xenomorphs}}}

>>12488690
My ancestors were Bionicle smiths, I still have the scrolls where they foresaw the second reckoning that is the birth of X Æ A-12 in a strangely shaped piece of driftwood in the local river, he will clearly ride Starship through the hellish currents of Saturn's atmosphere to erect a Burgerking on Titan.

>>12488717
>Why is /sfg/ against this?

China is bad and should be treated like North Korea is

>>12488699
retarded
i hate the shape of the wheel well and the rims

>>12488716
based

>>12488649
I just took the screenshot faggot.
https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1305859981636505601?lang=en

Hate china all your ant they are obviously going to dominate spaceflight. They have a much greater manufacturing capability and political will.

>>12488551
>>12488562
>>12488565
It's not about being right or accurate, it's about being "the good guy" in the sense that you believe/support the "right" ideas. That's why people on the far left preach tolerance and racial integration in one sentence and then wish bodily harm and death on anyone who disagrees with them in the next sentence. You are either an oppressed underdog victim good guy; or an evil neo-nazi facist bad guy, to them there is no middle ground because they've been raised on a diet of good vs evil black and white bullshit their whole lives. Even if a leftist is smart enough to know that their ideology is idealistic and not realistic, they hide that fact and continue to spout the same bullshit because they want to be PERCEIVED as the good guy even if they know what they're saying is wrong.

When I was a kid, one of my teachers had a poster in their class with a fish swimming the opposite direction of his shoal and it had a caption like "sometimes one must swim against the direction of the group." This is how these people see themselves, never mind the fact that a shoal swims and maneuvers the way it does to avoid danger and ensure the best chance at survival. Danger and survival does not matter, appearing as the daring under-dog free thinker good guy is all that matters. They would rather die than admit they are wrong.

>>12488699
Who's the skinny autist in there

>>12488701
>>12488717
shoo shoo CNSA shills

>>12488717
US partnered with RF, not the USSR. As a result the latter, despite being kleptocratic disaster of a nation, held total dominance in spaceflight to the point of carrying american astronauts until some new rich autist decided to make his own rocket company so he can send plants on Mars. Whatever the future Chinese-american partnership will bring for spaceflight, I don't think it will be pretty.

>>12488717
>oh, nice. you are responsible for millions of death, you destroyed all our allies economically and socially, lets be friends, and work towards the better future for our nations
sounds like treason to me

>>12488721
I see a lot of anti-commie sentiment, yet the Soviets were the real commies. China is straight up capitalist. /sfg/ would have been triggered by Apollo-Soyuz and the ISS Russia partnership as it first happened, despite those partmerships catalyzing the fall of soviet space dominance

>>12488717
the US-Soviet partnership kicked both side's space ascendance in the shins
it gave them an excuse to not try anymore

>>12488731
Fair enough. That's kind of hilarious.

>>12488735
I browse both 4chan and Reddit. Each are full of posts like this claiming that the other side is evil and retarded. It's honestly funny at this point. All of you are no different to militant leftists.

>>12488746
>what is apollo soyuz

>>12488751
China did not originate virus. Confirmed to come from Italy already.

>>12488754
>China is straight up capitalist.

No lol. All the biggest companies in China are owned by their government.

>>12488717
Based, they hated him for he told the truth

>>12488759
Stunt. Think ISS era instead.

>>12488759
A stupid mission that accomplished nothing other than wasting hardware?

>>12488760
No,

>>12488731
tory chill tho

>>12488523
This is going to be fun, remember all the shitposters saying ESA is shit because they had some agreemets I don't remember with the chinks?

>>12488775
NASA is going to be EPA 2 and you are going to like it!

>>12488775

I wonder how China would vote if they were actually able to vote.

>>12488760
When it comes to Chinese virus, I don't believe even them saying Nihao

China is based lol

>>12488760
Hi Chang

>>12488790
>lol haha i troll by sayin blatantly evil country is gud

>>12488760
are you trying to sound exactly like a chink with broken english would?

>>12488682
wash your genitals

>>12488790
Based

>>12488758
I'm aware, I tend to dislike people on the far right as much as people on the far left. But the difference is largely that people on the far right tend to be, using a leftist term, "reactionary." Most Conservatives/Right wingers/whatever were made extreme because they view the emergence and domination of leftist politics as a threat to their way of life. The average meme'ing /pol/ster isn't ACTUALLY a National Socialist or hardcore traditionalist or whatever (see; how much those fuckers lover porn, vidya, anime, etc); they are libertarians and centrists who have been backed into a corner and feel that ultra-rightwing responses are the only possible choice in a world overrun with leftists. The point is; yes, extremists on both sides are largely useful idiots and low iq retards who see the world in black vs white, us vs them analogies. But leftists generally choose to be that because they crave attention, right wingers are mostly moderates who have gone further right because as a reaction.

For reference, i'm an actual National Socialist and I vehemently dislike 99% of /pol/tards and right wingers because they are just as fucking stupid and sheep-like as people on the far left. I assume that actual intelligent genuine communists feel the same about their dumb masses.

>>12488760
First it was CIA, then Australia, now Italy?
Nuke Wuhan.

>>12488790
prrus 10 sociar crrredit points

>>12488799
who else drops hydrazine stages on poor people? they're fucking based compared to pussy american launchers haha

>>12488808
>The average meme'ing /pol/ster isn't ACTUALLY a National Socialist or hardcore traditionalist or whatever

I am! I am!

Hello fellow radical centrists. What's going on here? Whatever it is it doesn't bother me because I am morally and intellectually superior to all of you.

>>12488803
I washed my hairy ballsack a few hours ago in the shower. Sometimes I shampoo and condition it for fun

>>12488721
China should be treated like North Korea
and North Korea should be treated like South Korea.

>>12488829
North Korea should annex Manchuria

>>12488787
They'd vote for much more aggressive nationalists than their current government. China's demographic distribution most people born under the one child policy being males with no siblings) combined with education/propaganda pieces that highlight China's history of victimization in the past two centuries has created a generation of angry incels with something to prove to the world. It remains to be seen how much this kind of thinking translates into actual party policy, but I wouldn't be surprised if Xi's successor is even more antagonistic than he's been.

>>12488754
The economic system barely matters here. China is a dictatorship first and foremost. They have no respect for anything that stands in the way of absolute power, which leads to genocide, imperialism, IP theft, Orwellian surveillance, and more.

>>12488841
Sounds like lots of fun.

The future of humanity is space National Socialism, with citizen-service as it's core tenant.

Earth will be kept as a garden world, while the industry and living space of humanity is moved to the stars. Brownies will be kept in containment zones on Earth and their populations will be kept low enough to maintain ecological balance on the Earth, like zoo animals. Children will visit Earth as a right of passage in their teens, as well as visiting orbital museums that recreate and showcase the horrific circumstances of the 20th and 21st centuries that lead to the rise of the space age and the inevitable victory of National Socialism.

The future is bright.

>>12488857
>Not ripping apart Earth to turn it into computronium

>>12488854
That's awesome. America should be like that.

>>12488557
With the texans they've hired there probably is. Even with all the mexicans in southern texas there is still a good amount of whites and even a good portion of those mexicans in south texas voted R in 2020

>>12488857
Based.

>>12488554
Thats what I meant

>>12488857
That is a wet dream, Anon. Take the DISTRIBVTISMpill. I'm not sure how it would align with space exploration considering it's not very accessible, but if technology and economics will allow it we may see a great resurgence of city-states each controlling celestial bodies in Sol and further beyond.

>>12488699
I think it looks pretty stupid, they should have just made a normal design

>>12488854
Omega based, wtf

>>12488808
Makes sense. Why are you natsoc though?

>>12488857
Yep, based

>>12488866
>computronium
lmao what will futurist pseudo-int fags think up next hahaha

>>12488775
The ESA is shit. NASA is too. Fuck the chinks, fuck the euros, and fuck the government.

>>12487918
Frogsats when?

What are they doing putting a satellite in Earth-Sun L1?
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1340696072222601216

>>12488114
LAVA TUUUUUUUUBES

>>12488967
Exploring lunar lava tubes should be a mission objective of at least one Artemis flight.

>>12488974
We need to develop positive-pressure suits just for the sake of Metroid LARPing on the moon.

>>12488963
maybe they want data on the maneuver for a future mission. Don't really know what nefarious deed they could be up to in Earth-Sun L1... maybe they want a station there eventually.

https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1340452736664481794

You can really see the center merlin engine gimble during the landing. I like that analogy that compares landing the F9 to balancing a pencil on your finger. Pretty nuts they're able to do it so well.

>>12488963
They lost contact and are making an excuse.

>>12488999
>balancing a pencil on your finger
If the pencil's center of mass was close to the bottom, sure.

crane detached from SN9

Starship is nothing but a meme, it'll never work, the thing explodes and they call it a success, you can see how brainwashed the public has become

>>12488999
If a pencil had grid fins and was falling straight down and was 100 feet tall so everything happened slow...

>>12488252
I think you are doing a very common error here.

WHEN and WHY would you start caring about sending interstellar colony?
The solar system have incredible amount of resources vastly more accessible than a different star system. You don't need planet to live comfortably and if you want to profit from technological advance and massive infrastructure you are encouraged to stay close.

One of the rare reason to leave EARLY would be to FLEE the place hoping to build something different, and the danger will likely be natural and global (like a pulsar pointing straight at us) because leaving an enemy civilization for a 1000 long travel only open the door to arrive at destination and discovers they invented FTL-killbot and left some waiting for you.

A more simple reason is that you've exploited every EASY resources up to the point leaving sound easier than dismantling planet.
By the time you can do so, there's no reason for human to still be made of flesh and becoming immortal we may not consider as vital to just "multiply" since we don't need a new generation and the risk of destruction become pretty much null.

So here is what it could look like:
>Unmanned factory ship is sent to a target solar system
>Start building a gigantic radio receiver
>Starting system start transmitting the static-copy of digital intelligent being
>once the data checksum is correct, he do whatever he needed a 2nd star system to do.

The alternative is if it's actually faster to send laser-pushed, laser-decelerated sails ship containing the data stored on physical support.
Then the drone factory build lasers.

>>12489029
upcoming closures... do they have another way to move SN9 to the transporter? Isn't the giant crane the only method?

>>12489036
>WHEN and WHY would you start caring about sending interstellar colony?
Whatever faction or group of people gets to another solar system will have a huge advantage over anybody that comes after them in terms of controlling the resources of that solar system.

>>12488963
Yeah from what I remember they are sort of parking it there. I think they want to try and reuse it at a later time. This maneuver is called a peking orbit

>Hello, Scott Manley here

You just read that in his voice.

>>12489030
Nobody cares what you think, Shelby.

>>12489043
You didn't read all of it and didn't even answer the question.
WHY would you care for a new solar system when you can't export the resources back home and it will take century at best unless you have ship capable of reaching 0.5C and above.
Then as said, leaving the solar system too early leave another faction free to develop a faster mean of transport, or if you are hostile, destroy the fragile ship during launch.

>>12489056
>hello
>not hullo
You failed

>>12489080
>WHY would you care for a new solar system when you can't export the resources back home and it will take century at best unless you have ship capable of reaching 0.5C and above.

To get away from the rest.

>>12488999
>balancing a pencil on your finger
not really, more like balancing a hammer upside down.

>>12488999
Can someone webmify that?

>>12488934
How did jewish scientists worked with Von Braun ? didnt they get mad working with a nazi ?

>>12489080
>you can't export the resources back home
Good. If the losers in Sol want them, they can come and take them.

>>12489120
here's another good one: https://twitter.com/venus47203379/status/1340299065687502848

>>12489123
Did ukrainian rocket scientists get mad at working with soviets?

>>12489123
von Braun liked to play the apolitical card when it came to his Nazi connections, so those Jewish scientists most likely just accepted that to keep progress coming along

>>12488999
I'm assuming that's onboard audio. If so, I think you can hear the landing legs locking into place.

>>12489133
oh shit I think you're right

>>12489131
>von Braun liked to play the apolitical card
The "they forced me, i was opposed to them secretly" card ?
IRL was he a pure nazi hardliner or just opportunist, or even rolled with the flow like they say about Rommel ?

>>12489144
More like "I'm only interested in making rockets fly, where they land isn't my department" card

>>12489144
>I aim for the moon, but sometimes I hit London
>once ze rockets go up, who cares where zey come down? Zats not my department, says Werner von Braun

>>12489097
Only guaranteeing they'll follow you with new better ships, assuming they let someone with the mindset of a grey goo survive the launch.

>>12489124
>loser
We were starting with the assumption of leaving some of "your" faction behind to cover you.
Nevertheless, leaving "alone" just to have a system for yourself still leave the high risk of someone else getting there first.
Even if you arrived first, you may not have enough time to build infrastructure.

Frankly with the mindset of both of (You), I wouldn't be surprised if on arrival you immediately split into new faction.

>>12489144
He was an opportunist but he was attracted to nazi ideology because germany was REALLY in the shitter and the nazis offered pride in country, and ultimately an unlimited budget for him to make rockets. He is on record saying that him and his fellow scientists just saw hitler as a crazy man LARPing as napoleon. he was also adamant about bringing in engineers from black colleges around alabama because he noticed their work effort

>>12489160
>Frankly with the mindset of both of (You), I wouldn't be surprised if on arrival you immediately split into new faction.

Refuel and keep moving. I’ve always wanted to live in the Virgo Cluster for whatever reason.

>>12489159
>>once ze rockets go up, who cares where zey come down? Zats not my department, says Werner von Braun
Kek. Hear Tom Lehrer was like a genius and worked at the ancestor of the NSA or some shit
>>12489162
Why don't they make a movie about those black engineer instead of we wuz-ing

>>12488808
Hey, this is /sci/, I think you're looking for /pol/

>>12489178
>Why don't they make a movie about those black engineer instead of we wuz-ing
Rocket german man bad

>>12489177
Assuming of course your million year old ark can keep going without a civilization worth of technology.

I suppose some people would just like to move as far as possible but usually they still expect to find something new and the only thing fundamentally new would be meeting an alien civilization.
And you are still betting that no one at home develop a faster mean of travel and steal the prize.

>>12489144
It depends on who you ask. He definitely joined the SS, but claims he was forced into it, which is somewhat believable, but lacking in any serious evidence. He obviously cared more about rocketry (or at least his continued ability to work in the field) than politics, as evidenced by his willingness to work for a country that conquered his homeland. On the other hand, he joined the Nazi party in 1937 (contrary to his initial claims of 1939) and likely saw the initial economic gains under Hitler as a good thing. He also consistently changed his story on his knowledge of the use of slave labor to construct the V2, initially saying he was unaware of the brutality inflicted on the enslaved workers, while later acknowledging that he was aware, but powerless to stop it.

Overall, Von Braun probably wasn't a huge believer in Nazism beyond its utility in giving him the resources necessary to pursue rocketry, but he clearly didn't mind it. He was arrested and briefly detained by the SS in 1944, but that was most likely due to internal political shenanigans and interdepartmental posturing than any serious evidence that he was conspiring against the Nazi regime.

>>12488760
>Confirmed to come from Italy already
Take your Belt and Road and shove it up your ass, Chang. "Confirmed Italy" my fucking ass.

crane is moving

>>12489029
>>12489259
I give it an hour before SN-9 falls over again.

>>12489292
>inb4 the crane falls over instead

https://youtu.be/o3MWwqcP_Ww?t=102

the Atlas V w/ 5 SRBs really jumps off the pad

>>12489259
crane turned around

>>12489259
>>12489414
The cranes are confused
haha

Do we have any hints as to where the first proper Starship factory will be? Whatever happened to that land they bought near the LA port?

>>12489454
Boca is already entering full scale production. They've built more Starships so far than there will be SLS airframes built in total.

>>12489454
Boca Chica is the factory and the spaceport.

>>12487830
or a tip was always part of the design process and thats why they didn't make any public note of it

>>12488665
They might as well use it to test the raptors

>>12489463
>>12489464
They're churning out prototypes, sure, but are they actually going to build their "production" models shipyard-style as well? Surely moving this to an indoor facility where they can streamline the assembly and employ more automation will result in greater speed and efficiency, no?

>>12489200
>Assuming of course your million year old ark can keep going without a civilization worth of technology.
Are you assuming the million year old ark isn't an entire civilization itself? Monolithic colony ships aren't going to be a thing, the galaxy et al will be colonized by massive swarms of vehicles of all descriptions, coasting along in a loose cluster at high velocities.

>>12489493
They'll improve over time. Right now prototypes is decent enough. Once they make it to orbit and launch Starlink satellites with these designs, they'll start streamlining and fixing the rough edges. That will improve the looks/efficiencies of each launch/etc.

>>12489454
The local unions were extorting him like a motherfucker so he ditched the LA project.

>>12489493
>Surely moving this to an indoor facility where they can streamline the assembly and employ more automation will result in greater speed and efficiency, no?
Anon, so far building outside and in tents/open-door high bays has resulted in a process far more streamlined an fast than anything being built in air conditioned indoor rocket factories. You're right to assume that someday we're gonna see Starship Production 2.0 being built, but it will likely be leaning heavily towards the Boca way of organizing things rather than the Decatur way.

Guys are we in a cult?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/kgu1aw/whats_something_thats_not_a_cult_but_feels_like_a/gghaam0/

>>12489527
>Fuck Elon Musk! [253 points]
>I don't particularly hate him [-362 points]

>>12489527
Anti-Musk cultists are so cringe and bluepilled

>>12489527
what a bunch of pussies lmao

>>12489527
do redditor's seriously think elon's twitter is a pr person? lmfao

>>12489527
Fags who openly fellate Elon are fags.
People who actively choose to ignore the fact that the man is achieving great things through the companies that he started and puts over a hundred hours a week into operating are also faggots.
That is to say, loving Elon is cultish, and hating Elon is also cultish. He's just a smart guy and very savvy businessman who is probably a bit autistic and cares about getting shit done far more than following the public zeitgeist.

>>12489527
Yes we are if you take "cult" as "a group of people who habitually like something", but that is different from "a group of people who are brainwashed by ritual and act antagonistically to outsiders"

>>12489527
Ah yes, after Joe Rogan I realized Elon was based

>>12489539
I don't "love" the man, but I respect the shit out of what he's accomplished and what he's doing.

>>12489484
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a delay. I'm not sure if they've even begun to work on the "r-boost" raptor variant. I wonder if they'll drop that idea and instead just cram 35+ normal raptors under it.

>>12489563

>>12489527
I genuinely hate how they think "but there are employees at his company so it's like he did nothing" is a valid criticism. And I bet they go to their shitty HR job all day and complain about how inefficient and awful their company is and how nobody can get anything done.

>>12484113
>>12484118
7/10

I fucking hate my job at NASA. I was an intern but now I'm just a data specialist. If I made a report based on the performance of my co-workers with just raw data, I would be called racist or sexist because of the conclusions people would make.

>>12489584
7/10 for real this time

Why can't any other aerospace company match SpaceX?

>>12488546
Oh yeah, I can see that.

>>12488571
If we really wanted to nip that bullshit then just make the universities bail out the liberal arts degrees.

>reddit
>complaining about cult like behaviour

Apex omega lul

>>12488269
>Worse case scenario, the colonists and their descendants live in space cylinders until easy terraforming comes along.
They should even be able to refuel/rebuild their colony ship and move somewhere else given enough time.

>>12489595
How many bugmen from abroad are in SpaceX trying to steal their tech right now as we speak?

>>12488616
The AWB passed by having two republicans cross the Isle. Had they not the AWB wouldn't had passed.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20040226/1994-assault-weapons-ban-vote

>>12489587
Don't worry, anon.NASA is nowadays just a money diversion scheme and a fake science outlet. It doesn't have to be performant.

>>12488616
Jesus Christ fuck off back to /ptg/ you cuckservative faggot.

>>12488707
I presume this is the mindset that got Trump elected and decimated the diplomatic corps.

The china talk from the Republicans is just the same play book as the 2 or 3 years of Democrat's "Russian collusion".

Not a single one of them are pushing for a ban on foreign ownership of property. Listen to how comical the Republicans are when they're making a big deal out of Chinese students going to universities & transferring technology when whistle blowers have been talking about that type of stuff for the past 30 or so years.
Most Democrat funding comes from Jews.

>95% of jew money goes to the democrats
https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/350531/jewish-donors-shun-donald-trump-95-of-contributions-go-to-hillary-clinton/

>over 50% of all democrat funding comes from jews
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-gops-jewish-donors-are-abandoning-trump/

>jews vote left at an 80% rate
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-Americans-are-now-the-face-of-Trump-resistance-571399

Can you guys fuck off back to your containment thread and stop shitting up the thread? Thanks.

>>12489611
But they already have it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aflsUfmFQPY

>>12488717
>reasoning by analogy
ngmi

Upcoming flights
>Dec 22 - Long March 8
>Dec 28 - Soyuz
>Jan 14 - Falcon 9

A two week break from space launches? And that's the only launch slotted for January too? I was expecting things to pick up next year, not get worse.

>>12489527
>askreddit

>>12489643
Look up Stoke. Basically BO employees left BO to create a start up because they didn't like the pace BO was going.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/relativity-reach-stoke-starfish-blue-origin-veterans-spark-space-startups/

When SpaceX goes to the moon many times while the SLS struggles to get a 2nd launch I would hate to be Lockheed or Boeing's CEO who has to go onto stage at a share holder's meeting with a worried audience.

SpaceX will be sending Senators and their Grand Children into low earth Orbit. Indonesia is talking about having a launch site with SpaceX.

I guess today is a slow day in spaceflight. Anyone got that pic of the reddit comment where the idiot wants aliens to throw all capitalists into the sun? I need another good laugh

>>12489527
Good thing their opinions don't matter then. Elon will continue to drag humanity forward to the future kicking and screaming if he has to.

>>12489663
which one?

I've been making a collection of these Space-Marxist.

>>12489584
>>12489589
why do I feel like this is gonna have a bad ending...

>>12489663
Weekends are usually slower, but on the bright side it's Monday morning in Asia and we're getting Lunar updates from China.

>>12489738
>another monopoly establishing merger of two MIC companies

>>12489738
oh fuuuuuuck yes

>>12489662
mfw proonted rocket makes it to space before bo

>>12489738
the only thing oldspace can do is mergers

>>12489738
One step closer to CORPOCORP owning everything.

>>12489742
>>12489744
>>12489745
>>12489749
b-but vertical integration!

>>12489738
lockmart killed orbital sciences. i expect the same to happen to aerojet

>>12489745
Probably because BO doesn't have to worry about being on shoe string budgets, musk said that when he was starting out he had to get tanks from the junk yard to refurbish them.

If Stoke shows good progress VC investors will start plunking down money.

What will Old Space do once Stoke becomes the 2nd company for the military?

>>12489738
lol i just recently bought a shitton of LM. are they gonna change their name to aerolock martindyne?

>>12489493
I don't think starship could even be laid on its side to transport it. Maybe they manufacture parts with more mature techniques other places in the country (like they do with the nosecone) but the assembly will probably be done in Boca Chica for the foreseeable future.

>>12489764
Orbital got bought by Northrop, not Lockmart

>>12489769
oh nevermind then

>>12489764
Could Aerojet leadership use the sales to create a new company?

I would try to copy Space X as quickly as possible. They can't compete with their old designs if SpaceX is able to hit 250k an engine.

Somebody said that an expendable Star Ship could cost 100 million, that's less than a single RS-25..

So I think AeroJet is the winner here because the old designs are a dead end..

>>12489662
There will never be a launch site outside the United States or 5eyes. All of SpaceX' assets and activities ultimately belong to the federal government thanks to export control and national security laws.

>>12489768
Once they have the final design they can order dedicated equipment. Look at the Gigapress Tesla is using, they've killed the body shop.

>>12489527
Liberals are mad at Elon lmao

>>12489660
nice pepe, saved.

>>12489759
Boy I'll vertically integrate my foot in your ass I tell ya'whut

>>12489778
>So I think AeroJet is the winner here because the old designs are a dead end..
The AJ10 and RL10 are still great upper stage engines for smaller payloads. It's just booster engines where Raptor fucking humiliates them.

>>12489820

>>12489820

it took 8 years to get to the Moon and they did that using slide rules and paper drawings instead of CAD

>>12488760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FABcPS_Q2UM

>>12489408
boustas

>>12489614
Bush/Cheney tier neocon republicans are being demographically replaced by young and potentially based hotshots, such as Senators Hawley and Cotton. There is no hope left for the Democratic party, they have openly embraced mass migration, anti-White rhetoric, and reparations. Our only hope for a space-faring future is that a faction of the GOP uncucks the rest of the party. I also doubt anybody would dare cross the aisle to help the minority party in today's political climate.

>>12489628
I hate cuckservatives just as much as you, but for different reasons I imagine. That being said, I'll take two more cuckservatives in the Senate over the end of America as we now it.

>>12489738
SLS is now a ULA launch vehicle.

>>12489875
>SLS is real

>>12487700
>those grid fins
Fucking huge.
Will those also be driven by Tesla motors?

>>12489853
I had trouble believing the tweet on the right, so I found it for myself.
https://twitter.com/LauraForczyk/status/1334152691279405057
Unbelievable.
To all the faggots who called me a cuckservative, congratulations on implicitly supporting the liberals who wish to import niggers into every corner of society.

>>12488040
We'll see.
It all depends on the heat shield.

>>12489875
What KSP mod is this

>jupiturn is finna be reality and nobody is hype

>>12489912
It's cloudy here.

>>12489918
Same. I live in a very cloudy place near major military installations so my view of the sky is basically nonexistent.

>>12489912
Got a look at it with my tele before it went below the tree line.

It was neat, looked like a single star. Actually what was really interesting was that Jupiter pretty much washed out Saturn and distorted Saturn with it's intense light. At any rate i've never seen two planets in the same FOV in my telescope before so that was cool. It was neat how similar in size they are despite being pretty far away from one another in reality.

Did SpaceX use results from the Integrated Powerhead Demonstrator project for their Raptor engine? Or did they start from complete scratch?

>>12489931
i checked it out with a spotting scope that's at least 30 years old
seeing the galilean moons and saturn's rings in a single FOV is trippy as hell

>>12489912
>live in the mountains away from serious light pollution
nice
>but the treeline will probably obscure the conjunction
fug

>>12489942
IDK about trippy but I kept thinking about how rare that view is and how in a relatively short time (in astronomical time I mean) that view won't be possible because Saturn is going to loose it's rings.

Reminder that Trumptards never get jobs in the space industry because they're too busy jerking off to be*f like the shitty farmers they are.

Is there an Elon version of this meme? It would be a fun rebuttal image.

>>12489539
>>12489550
Exactly this, I don't love him or anyone I don't know, I just like the stuff he does.

>>12489959
>space man good
>FIX THE PROBLEMS ON EARTH BIGOT WHITE FLIGHT IS NOT THE ANSWER
>earth is Detroit and white flight is absolutely the answer, take the duster pill

Oldspace consolidation continues

Anything interesting coming up? Any... hop?

>>12489973
>almost 1 hour 20 minutes comm lag
Where the fuck are you, anon?

>>12489959
>Haha funny weed man go to space
>Musk is an evil billionaire taking advantage of his poor exploited workers
>Humanity is destined to rule the stars and Elon is lighting the way

>>12489976
This coming AND next week: Mon/Tues/Wed road closures for BocaChica. Maybe moving SN9/SN10 to stand this week and static fire next week.

We shall see

>>12489976
>>12489037
stuff maybe happening beginning of this week and next week

>>12489988
Tycho Station

>>12489992
SN10 isn't going anywhere by the end of the year, even if SN9 is a loss.

>>12489995
>>12489992
Thanks.

How far we have come

>>12489512
I'm sure they'll feel stupid once Musk actually goes to the Moon & Mars.

>>12489999
>>12490000
Checked

>>12489563
Do you think they get nice bonuses in the form of shares for completing mile stones?

>>12489997
You're on one of Saturn's moons, you scheming liar.

>>12490006
They already feel stupid because Musk cancelled the LA Starship plans.

>>12490023
no I just have comcast

>>12489853
I hate Jews.

>>12490000
checked

>>12489512
Kek California is a Godforsaken wasteland.

>Acquires aerojet rocketdyne
>Scraps all the shitty engines, starts reproduce the good ones at a dirt cheap cost with simplified designs and fewer complex parts
>Lockheed martin now partners with spacex and leaves earth
Lockheed still has time bros. They can learn the lessons from boeing and go down the righteous path. Will they do it? Or fall into obscurity because they are a greedy military contractor

>>12490065
Skank Works is fucking great. They already have what it takes they just need to use it.

>>12490065
What would SpaceX gain from partnership with Lockheed?

>>12490083
I read it as "catches up". But they could make the martian habitats.

>>12490078
Skank works sounds like the title of the greatest porn parody ever made

>>12490065
Yeah, I could actually see Lockheed unfucking Aerojet and producing a marginally effective space company. It's not their MO to compete on price or schedule, but they tend to eventually deliver results on very advanced systems, unlike Boeing. Due to their relationship with ULA, they're never going to be making launchers, but any other type of spacecraft is fair game.

>>12490089
Kelly Johnson already sounds like a male porn star's name.

>>12489512
Kek I remember this meeting

>you need to use union employees if you want this facility here
>OK I mean we are happy to have the union guys in to build the facilities and such
>no, our union guys need to employed going forward at your facilities
>um, you know we build space hardware?.... We don't really have any use for carpenters and electricians
>EMPLOY US OR ELSE
>lol fuck California see you niggers later

Space Force boot camp video released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDiCgu8_jXA

wow wtf

>>12490096
>larp with fake guns for a few weeks
>alright jimmy, you know how to work excel right? Alright then. Welcome aboard guardian!