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Adding this picture as well.
This is slough from a wound. It looks the same.
Is my intestine being damaged from the inside and holding onto dead tissue that has to be debrided?

>>12487184
It's Ulcer, you're in need of antibiotics. Go see a doctor immediately, faggot!

>>12487184
see a doctor nigga

>>12487184
Write a will, see a doctor
In no particular order

>>12487184
Tapeworm

>>12487221
I see no tape, only grates.
>>12487184
Therefore, I call thee Grateworm!

>>12487184
When you're eating some soup and decide to check out /sci/ for a minute only to be greeted by a picture of someones putrid yellow diseased shit on the front page.

>>12487229

>>12487221
this. but how did you cleanse OP? my stomach hurts all the time

That's your intestinal lining. Whatever you used you should avoid putting in your ass ever again.

>>12487204
>>12487208
>>12487216
Okay so I recently had both and endoscopy and colonoscopy done and they showed no problems whatsoever. A year before that I had a barium study/ultrasound done showing nothing but inflammation in the duodenum.
I did get a breath test for h. pylori but it was negative.

The shape of this yellow thing is in tube form, so it seems like it came from the small or large intestine. I could have an ulcer or some form of would/sloughing that is causing a buildup of whatever tissue this is, leading to my health problems.

I also had THIS come out of me a few years ago, and had the same improvement in my health symptoms which lasted only a week then I was back to shitty "normal".
Notice how within all of this blood is the same tubelike "slough" or whatever. I see two things here, this tubelike fibrous yellow tissue and mucous, all covered in blood.

>>12487249
>eyeballs
NOOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

>>12487184
>>12487193
>>12487204
That looks like your intestinal lining that you shed.
Not good. See a doctor now.

>>12487184
This doesn't look like a tube, more like a twisted sheet

>>12487184
What does “doing a cleanse” mean? Because a lot of the shitty products that say that only achieve >>12487262

>>12487262
I literally just said I saw a doctor, I've been to many doctors. The ones I've been to only treat general diseases and don't want to be bothered investigating rare diseases.
I'm doing my own research and posting here because doctors have failed me.

>>12487263
I mean it looks like a collapsed and twisted tube.

>>12487266
>What does “doing a cleanse” mean?
Just generally ate healthy and took some enzymes and colon cleansing herbs.

>>12487270
I’m telling you what this is. It’s your fucking intestinal lining. Go back to a doctor, and tell them that

>>12487275
Which ones? Give names
And what specifically did you eat?

>>12487276
>I’m telling you what this is. It’s your fucking intestinal lining.
Nonsense. If that were true why would I feel better afterward?

>Go back to a doctor, and tell them that
I've been to doctors, surely they would have realized this if it were true.

>>12487275
Yeah, like a thin pair of nylon underpants in the washing machine

>>12487283
Jesus Christ, just go to a doctor dude, and show them that pic too

>>12487282
>Which ones? Give names
This supplement with random enzymes in it and this other one which had Slippery Elm, Cascara Sagrada, Barberry, Chinese Rhubarb and Plantain leaf in it.

>And what specifically did you eat?
A bunch of salads and less carbs.

>>12487289
>just do what you have already done 10 times already dude

>>12487283
>Nonsense. If that were true why would I feel better afterward?
Because it is literally rotting off?
>I've been to doctors, surely they would have realized this if it were true.
Did you tell them though? Or show them the pic? You dunce

>>12487298
You can be fine 9 years and then develop Ulcerative Colitis in the 10th, go to the doctor

>>12487308
>Because it is literally rotting off?
This is basically what I was saying in my theory in the OP.
I don't think my intestines are exactly "rotting off". It could be that there is so much inflammation that it's causing damage to them so they do what a wound would do and create a fibrous slough that needs to be debrided.
A mainstream doctor wouldn't entertain these theories, you have to research these things on your own.
The gastroenterologist I went to told me the bloody image was "probably just Powerade or something" when I showed him it.

>Did you tell them though? Or show them the pic?
Yes, yes I did. Calm down.

>>12487309
I've had these same symptoms before I went to all of these doctors. These images were taken BEFORE I had a colonoscopy and endoscopy done.

>>12487327
>create a fibrous slough that needs to be debrided.
That’s called your intestinal lining and if you damage it enough times then you’re fucked

>anon falls for pseudo science meme
>shits out his innards
>thinks it “toxins” inside of him coming out
anon....

>>12487332
>intestinal lining
No, it's a reaction to damage to the intestinal lining. A scab or clotting blood if you scrape your arm isn't part of your arm, it's your arm reacting to being damaged and creating tissue to protect itself.

>>12487337
>>anon falls for pseudo science meme
You're a fucking retard, seriously. Get an argument.
>>thinks it “toxins”
Yeah because slough isn't real lol

Op you are beyond help.
Go pester reddit or something

>>12487349
>Op you are beyond help.
No I just think you have no idea how to help me because you haven't researched any of this.

>>12487342
anon I’m not a doctor but if your intestines are producing slough and you are shitting like you said there is some major problems still. If you just admit to eating your moms pantyhose and it’s what you are shitting out you are fine though.

>>12487360
>but if your intestines are producing slough and you are shitting like you said there is some major problems still
Yes, I agree this is a problem but the question is how do I fix it.
There isn't that much information available online on intestinal damage causing sloughing off of necrotic tissue.

All I know is after doing this my symptoms were very much improved.

>>12487364
>the question is how do I fix it
see a doctor you fucking bonehead

>>12487184
Go see a doctor OP.
( Is that mucus in your stool? )

>>12487405
>see a doctor
Reported for spamming.

>>12487407
>Go see a doctor OP.
For the millionth time I already did.

>( Is that mucus in your stool? )
That and I believe sloughing off necrotic tissue.

>>12487412
It's actually your intestinal lining

>>12487479
If you mean dead intestinal lining sloughing off then I agree.
What do I do about it?

>>12487482
>What do I do about it?
You stop doing whatever you did. The intestinal lining is dead cells. That doesn't mean you're supposed to shit it out. You'll damage your intestines that way.

>>12487293

>>12487293
>random enzymes
Uh

>>12487487
>You stop doing whatever you did.
What? Eating healthy?
The image with the blood and mucus were when I was just eating salads and low carb for a week. When I shat that out I felt amazing for a week until I started feeling bad again.
Clearly whatever is inside me isn't supposed to be there.
>The intestinal lining is dead cells.
LOL
No, you're supposed to have healthy tissue there. Not a layer of yellow slough. Do you have this on your skin all of the time like this person: >>12487193
Think about it.

>>12487342
>>12487412
>>12487482
You realize that your stomach lining is "dead necrotic tissue", right? Do you know what it's called when your stomach lining is stripped away? An ulcer. This is the anal equivalent.

>>12487502
>You realize that your stomach lining is "dead necrotic tissue", right?
Is isn't exactly that. You aren't supposed to have this much dead tissue.
Why would I feel better after getting rid of it?

>>12487501
>What? Eating healthy?
No, the opposite.

>Clearly whatever is inside me isn't supposed to be there.
You're so wrong. Everyone in this thread is telling you the same thing, so why is it so hard for you to accept?

>The intestinal lining is dead cells.
>LOL
????

>No, you're supposed to have healthy tissue there.
>Not a layer of yellow slough.
That's your intestinal lining, nigger. The healthy tissue is your intestinal wall and it's not supposed to be exposed. That's the purpose of your intestinal lining.

>Do you have this on your skin all of the time like this person: >>12487193 #
>Think about it.
Are you aware that the top several layers of skin are also dead cells? Go ahead and peel that off and see if it makes your skin healthier.

>>12487508
>Why would I feel better after getting rid of it?
Because you ate something you shouldn't have and then took a big shit. Are you 6 years old?

>>12487512
>No, the opposite.
So not eating healthy? So you're telling me to eat poorly?
>You're so wrong. Everyone in this thread is telling you the same thing
So? Everyone in this thread so far hasn't actually researched any of this and is going off nothing but their emotions. I see no evidence, theory or anything from them.
How many people in this thread have said "REEEEEEEEEEE GO TO A DOCTOR" when I've already said I've been to many doctors. Pathetic.
>????
The epithelium is not "dead cells". It may have dead cells on top of it but it itself is not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intestinal_epithelium

>That's your intestinal lining, nigger.
That's like saying this image: >>12487193 is something that is on everyone's skin at all times. Do you understand why you are wrong?

>and it's not supposed to be exposed.
It is protected by a mucosal layer.

>Are you aware that the top several layers of skin are also dead cells?
There are dead cells on top of your skin but now massive layers of slough like the image I showed you.

>>12487270

Yah man, have you considered...I don't know...going to see an intestinal specialist instead of general physicians? Just a crazy idea I had, I know how nuts it sounds given your issue is so generalized and not specialized to your intestinal tract and digestive system and everything.

>>12487514
>Because you ate something you shouldn't have
What? Salads with onions and tomatoes?
What are you saying?
>Are you 6 years old?
Are you retarded?

>>12487531
>going to see an intestinal specialist
You mean like a gastroenterologist? I already said I had been to one. Why are you people ignoring my posts just to get your anger out?

aright /sci/ hear this

for any prime number k there exists a Fibonacci number which is a multiple of k

true or false?

>>12487501
>No, you're supposed to have healthy tissue there. Not a layer of yellow slough. Do you have this on your skin all of the time like this
If you didn’t have intestinal lining, you wouldn’t be able to digest anything without killing yourself.

>>12487537
>If you didn’t have intestinal lining, you wouldn’t be able to digest anything without killing yourself.
Yes. How does this contradict my point?

>>12487529
You clearly aren’t eating healthy if you are shitting out your intestinal lining
>>12487533
See a different doctor then you absolute mong

>>12487529
>So you're telling me to eat poorly?
No, the opposite.

>Everyone in this thread so far hasn't actually researched any of this and is going off nothing but their emotions.
>I see no evidence, theory or anything from them.
Except that they're citing facts and you're ignoring them.

>The epithelium is not "dead cells". It may have dead cells on top of it but it itself is not.
Great, so you're understanding that you expelled an important part of your organs and not "necrotized tissue".

>That's like saying this image: >>12487193 # is something that is on everyone's skin at all times.
Did you peel all that dead skin off yet?

>Do you understand why you are wrong?
You have to be trolling.

>>12487538
You clearly can’t read
That flesh is supposed to be dead cells because it lines you intestines to protect them.
You outermost layer of skin? That shit’s dead too.

>>12487533
>What? Salads with onions and tomatoes?
It was probably those mystery enzymes that you brought up and didn't mention again when someone pointed out that that's probably what caused it.

>Are you retarded?
I'm not the one damaging my intestines.

>>12487550
>It was probably those mystery enzymes that you brought up and didn't mention again when someone pointed out that that's probably what caused it.
This. Im sure he bought some shady MLM product that says it’ll colon cleanse when in reality it’s toxic as shit
OP sounds like a middle class white woman. The kind that’s borderline retarded but got lucky in who she married

>>12487533
>I literally just said I saw a doctor, I've been to many doctors. The ones I've been to only treat general diseases and don't want to be bothered investigating rare diseases.

This is you. Saying you've only seen doctors that treat general diseases. That said, I sincerely doubt you've seen multiple doctors who specialize in intestinal issues who all turned you away because they don't "treat rare diseases."

>>12487539
>You clearly aren’t eating healthy if you are shitting out your intestinal lining
I'm not shitting out the lining, I'm shitting out sloughed off damaged tissue.
Do you know what wound debridement means? This shit has to be removed or it just piles up on itself and gets infected.
>See a different doctor
I've been to 20, I got nowhere. That's why I'm researching for myself.

>>12487543
>No, the opposite.
Soooo do exactly what caused this shit to come out of me in the first place? I thought you said shitting out my intestines was bad?
>that they're citing facts
No, they're just getting mad and saying go to a doctor.
> you're ignoring them.
You're dogmatic and angry.
>important part of your organs
A massive buildup of necrotic tissue from damage to the intestinal epithelium is not the same as a typical small layer of dead cells shedding off the epithelium.

>Did you peel all that dead skin off yet?
Where is your argument? I thought you said you were posting facts?

>>12487551
>The kind that’s borderline retarded but got lucky in who she married
Man, everyone with an IQ under 110 is borderline retarded in my opinion

>>12487545
>That flesh is supposed to be dead cells because it lines you intestines to protect them.
Healthy intestinal lining is supposed to look like this and not have massive amounts of yellow slough on it.

If I did something bad for myself, why did I feel much better after it happened? Explain that.

>>12487550
>It was probably those mystery enzymes
Nope. That was the second time this happened.
The first time(the bloody mucous) was simply eating salads for a week.

>I'm not the one damaging my intestines.
If I'm damaging them then why did I feel amazing afterwards?

>>12487555
>I'm not shitting out the lining
U r tho

>I'm shitting out sloughed off damaged tissue.
No

>I've been to 20, I got nowhere. That's why I'm researching for myself.
This is a blatant lie or you've ignored everything they told you.

>Soooo do exactly what caused this shit to come out of me in the first place?
No, don't ever do that again and stop pretending that eating a salad caused you to shit out your intestinal lining.

>No, they're just getting mad and saying go to a doctor.
No, they're explaining what your intestinal lining is, it's function in your body, and that you should not be shitting it out.

>You're dogmatic and angry.
I am neither of those things.

>A massive buildup of necrotic tissue from damage to the intestinal epithelium is not the same as a typical small layer of dead cells shedding off the epithelium
Sure, but that's not "a massive buildup of necrotic tissue" it's your fucking intestinal lining.

>Where is your argument? I thought you said you were posting facts?
You better have peeled your epidermis off before typing this.

>>12487551
see: >>12487560

>>12487553
>Saying you've only seen doctors that treat general diseases.
This is like the 3rd time I've stated I've been to a gastroenterologist and got a colonoscopy and endoscopy.
The gastroenterologist said the bloody mucous image was "probably powerade"

>>12487564
>The gastroenterologist said the bloody mucous image was "probably powerade"
Ask me how I know you made this up

>>12487562
>U r tho
No
>No
Proof?
>This is a blatant lie
I think you're just mad bro and have some anger issues.
>No, don't ever do that again
Are you just mad I caught you saying something that was totally retarded?
> stop pretending that eating a salad caused you to shit out your intestinal lining.
I'm not pretending this.
>No
Yes, yes, this is literally exactly what they are doing.
>they're explaining what your intestinal lining is
No, it's just you and you don't know the difference between a healthy intestinal epithelium and damaged tissue causing eschars sloughing off.
>I am neither of those things.
Projection.
>Sure
Then you'd have to agree with me then.
>it's your fucking intestinal lining.
If you're retarded enough to call a scab on your skin the same thing as the typical outer layer of cells on your skin, sure.

>>12487558
The yellow slough is it decomposing after it was shed...

>>12487573
>Ask me how I know you made this up
He literally fucking said this straight to my face and tried to hurry me out there to see the next patient because there was a long waiting line.

>>12487560
Then you have an infection and it has given you an ulcer.
>If I'm damaging them then why did I feel amazing afterwards?
This must be bait. If not, think of it this way: You feel better after blowing your nose even though you are still sick

>>12487590
>Then you have an infection and it has given you an ulcer.
I hope this is the answer and it's one thing I'm considering.
>This must be bait.
Nope.
>If not, think of it this way: You feel better after blowing your nose even though you are still sick
lol it has nothing to do with that
If you have damage to your intestines from an ulcer or whatever, the tissue will die and slough off, collecting harmful bacteria and cause health issues.

Look at this image of UC, you can clearly see a difference between the healthy tissue and the YELLOW sloughing off tissue.
Are you guys saying it's a good thing that yellow stuff is there and it's healthy?

>>12487584
>Proof
Your pictures clearly show a large portion of intact intestinal lining. When it sloughs of naturally there are a few square bits about the size of your fingernails floating around your shit. Which part of this is hard for you?

>I think you're just mad bro and have some anger issues.
Except that I'm not mad and I'm pretty sure you're lying for attention.

>Are you just mad I caught you saying something that was totally retarded?
No, I'm trying to save your intestines and flabbergasted that someone could mistreat their body to this extent and assert that it's healthy.

>I'm not pretending this.
Then what did you put in your body that made you shit out your intestinal lining?

>Yes, yes, this is literally exactly what they are doing.
>>12487242
>>12487282
>>12487332
>>12487337
>>12487360
>>12487479
>>12487487
>>12487494
>>12487502
>>12487512
>>12487514
>>12487537
>>12487543
>>12487545
>>12487550
>>12487562
No mention of a doctor in any of these posts telling you to stop doing what you're doing to your body.

>No, it's just you and you don't know the difference between a healthy intestinal epithelium and damaged tissue causing eschars sloughing off.
One of us certainly doesn't

>Projection
You don't seem to understand what projection is. Would you like to Google it, or should I explain it to you so you can tell me that a doctor told you that projection is probably just powerade?

>Then you'd have to agree with me then.
Read the next part.

>If you're retarded enough to call a scab on your skin the same thing as the typical outer layer of cells on your skin, sure.
As far as your definition goes it is exactly the same thing. If you think you are made more healthy by eliminating dead skin cells and you still have an epidermis then you are obviously trolling.

Also:
>the same thing as the typical outer layer of cells on your skin, sure
Then you'd have to agree with me then.

>>12487184
>cleansing
Pseudosci is that way >>>/x/

>>12487588
Sure, kid.

>tried to hurry me out there to see the next patient because there was a long waiting line.
Ask me how I know you made this up

>>12487619
Ok "skeptic".

>>12487620
>Sure, kid.
>y-you're lying
I'm not, but believe what you want. You people live in a fantasy world.
>Ask me how I know you made this up
I bet you're American and don't know how it is in the rest of the world. There are waiting lines.

Stop responding to him jesus christ.

>>12487629
Why don't you get an argument instead of blindly agreeing with the retards?

>>12487628
>You people live in a fantasy world.
Like the one where there's a line outside of the examination room and doctors yell "next" rather than provide you with medical attention?

>I bet you're American and don't know how it is in the rest of the world. There are waiting lines.
There are waiting ROOMS. No county on Earth has a line leading to the examination room.

>>12487617
>Your pictures clearly show a large portion of intact intestinal lining.
Really? Are you a doctor or just some shitposter? Healthy tissue looks like this:
>>12487558
Necrotic tissue from damage looks like this:
>>12487558

The exact opposite of what you are saying is true.
>When it sloughs of naturally there are a few square bits about the size of your fingernails floating around your shit.
Source?
>I'm pretty sure you're lying
You're so mad you think I'm lying.
> I'm trying to save your intestines
Which I somehow magically shat out when I ate salad for a week.... uh okay?

>Then what did you put in your body that made you shit out your intestinal lining?
Salad?

>No mention of a doctor in any of these posts
There were many other posts.

>telling you to stop doing what you're doing to your body.
Telling me to stop eating healthy?

>One of us certainly doesn't
Yeah it's you and the photos show this.

>You don't seem to understand what projection is.
You don't and yes you are projecting here.

>probably just powerade?
Are you saying I'm lying about what the doctor actually told me?
I'm not.

>As far as your definition goes it is exactly the same thing.
No it isn't. These are clearly two different medical concepts.
> If you think you are made more healthy by eliminating dead skin cells
YES Holy fuck you are ACTUALLY stupid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debridement

>>12487628
>Ok "skeptic
I'd love to read a few peer reviewed papers on this topic. Can you hook a nigga up with some sauce?

>>12487636
>Like the one where there's a line outside of the examination room and doctors yell "next" rather than provide you with medical attention?
This is what most medical systems all around the world do, especially in countries with socialized medicine. It literally happened to me.
I got the colonoscopy and it came back "clear" but aside from that he did zero advanced research. They really only treat you if you have common diseases like UC, crohns or colon cancer.

>>12487353
>tell me exactly what I want to hear, otherwise I conclude you are refusing to help me
Did the doctors tell you the same thing and they “didn’t help you”?

>>12487666
>Necrotic tissue from damage looks like this:
>>>12487558

I meant to post >>12487598

>>12487675
>>tell me exactly what I want to hear, otherwise I conclude you are refusing to help me
No, not at all.

>Did the doctors tell you the same thing and they “didn’t help you”?
They literally didn't help me and neither is anyone here.
Nobody can actually refute what I am saying. I've been reading about it here:
https://www.mucoidplaqueguru.com/2019/04/mucoid-plaque-is-scientifically-proven.html

He dismisses the hippie alternative health explanation for mucoid plaque and also the mainstream medicine explanation. Nobody can refute him and he makes the most sense to me.

>But all these people are wrong. What mucoid plaque actually is, in reality, is a mixture of primarily necrotic epithelium cellular debris, fibrin and mucus that naturally forms over damaged areas of the gastrointestinal tract. It may be composed of other things as well such as bacteria, digested food, albumin, and inflammatory cells. But it's primarily necrotic tissue, fibrin and mucus.

>>12487666
>Healthy tissue looks like this:
>>12487558 #
>Necrotic tissue from damage looks like this:
>>12487558 #
Anon, that's the same picture...

>Source?
Any healthy colon

>You're so mad you think I'm lying.
Except that I'm not mad and your story has a lot of inconsistencies.

>Which I somehow magically shat out when I ate salad for a week.... uh okay?
No, it's probably those mystery pills you took. Remember when you mentioned them and everyone told you that's probably what did it?

>There were many other posts.
Cope harder

>Telling me to stop eating healthy?
No, stop eating whatever made you shit out your intestinal lining.

>you are projecting here
Projecting is when you assert that other people are feeling or doing things that you are doing. What exactly am I supposed to be projecting?

>Are you saying I'm lying about what the doctor actually told me?
I'm pretty sure that you ignored whatever your doctor actually said to you, if you went at all.

>No it isn't. These are clearly two different medical concepts.
Alright, then strip away your stomach lining. Toilet cleaner might help you accomplish this.

>YES Holy fuck you are ACTUALLY stupid.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debridement
Alright, post your fully debrided dermis with a timestamp. You won't because you're just a troll.

>>12487673
>This is what most medical systems all around the world do, especially in countries with socialized medicine
Ask me how I know you're lying

>>12487501
>what? eating healthy?
>This supplement with random enzymes in it and this other one which had Slippery Elm, Cascara Sagrada, Barberry, Chinese Rhubarb and Plantain leaf in it.

>>12487673
>>12487703
Actually, don't bother. I'm not coming back to this thread.

>>12487697
>Anon, that's the same picture...
Why didn't you just realize I meant to post the other one? Do you have any common sense?
See: >>12487598

>Any healthy colon
That's not a source. Show me empirical evidence of your claim of what sloughed off tissue looks like.
>Except that I'm not mad and your story has a lot of inconsistencies.
lol it's yours that does
>No, it's probably those mystery pills you took.
How? The same thing happened when I did nothing but eat salads for a week.
Are you stupid? Do you have poor reading comprehension skills?
>Cope harder
How? I just won this point.
>No, stop eating whatever made you shit out your intestinal lining.
Salads?
Lol you're completely ignoring this point and getting mad.
>Projecting is when you assert that other people are feeling or doing things that you are doing.
Described yourself there.
>What exactly am I supposed to be projecting?
You are both dogmatic and angry. Especially dogmatic.
>I'm pretty sure that you ignored whatever your doctor actually said to you
You'd be wrong and are just ignoring the facts of what happened.
>if you went at all.
You're actually seething about what actually happened now and how it contradicts your theory.
>Alright, then strip away your stomach lining.
I thought we already established that the normal stomach lining is different from a massive eschar/slough from an ulcer on your stomach.
Now you're just lying.
>Alright, post your fully debrided dermis with a timestamp. You won't because you're just a troll.
Look at you. I just refuted your point and now you're ignoring it and insulting me. What a manbaby.
Eschars sloughing off from damage to the epithelium need to be debrided. This is science you are denying.

>>12487555
>I've been to 20
didn’t you say 10 before?

>>12487703
>Ask me how I know you're lying
You're actually stupid and don't live in a country with state run medical care.
Do you know how massive the problems with the NHS are right now? YES there are waiting lines.
>>12487711
Read the thread. This happened two separate times.
The time with the blood was the one when I ate just salad and no special supplements.

Why are people in this thread so angrily stupid they can't even read the posts to form an argument?

>>12487729
>what is exaggeration.
If I actually think about it, it's got to be at least 15 doctors my entire life including specialists.

>>12487634
you’ve heard everything before. You can’t define an “argument” as “someone agreeing with you” so you don’t have to face the reality that your cleansing products were a scam.

>>12487753
>You can’t define an “argument” as “someone agreeing with you”
I don't though.
>so you don’t have to face the reality that your cleansing products were a scam.
This has got to be the 10th time I have told you people I had the same reaction when I was eating nothing but salads and a low carb diet for a week.
No supplements.

I didn't expect much by coming to a forum filled with dogmatic science-denying, fedora-wearing """""""skeptics"""""".
It's like you people hate the scientific method.

>>12487692
honestly, just do what you want. People have been trying to help you, you refuse the help. And I guarantee the doctors did the same but you just don’t listen because you know better and they haven’t done their research. Society has done its part, everything else is on you now.

>>12487731
>You're actually stupid and don't live in a country with state run medical care.
>Do you know how massive the problems with the NHS are right now? YES there are waiting lines.
I live in a country with state tun medical care, you get an appointment and wait at home, not in a fucking line.

>>12487761
>People have been trying to help you
Nobody has been trying to help me. People have been trying to one-up what they perceive to be a believer in homeopathy in the same cringe way fedora atheists go after christfags. Nobody has been listening to what I have been saying because nobody knows what they're talking about. The one anon didn't know what wound debridement was and thought that infected scabs are a healthy part of your skin.
I knew the people here hated medicine and science. There's a reason 4chan doesn't have any /health/ board, /fit/ got rid of their health title and /sci/ never had any medical threads outside of medschool threads.
>And I guarantee the doctors did the same
They didn't. I listened to them and I tried to work with them, they ignored me and made me seem like anything I said was automatically wrong because they're the doctor.
>>12487774
>I live in a country with state tun medical care, you get an appointment and wait at home, not in a fucking line.
I'm talking about both things. There are waiting lines at doctors offices/emergency rooms AND month long waiting lines to see a specialist or get a procedure done.
I'm not advocating for America's medical system but our system is pretty shit.

>>12487725
>Show me empirical evidence of your claim of what sloughed off tissue looks like.
As soon as you show me yours.

>lol it's yours that does
I'm not telling you a story. Can you cite any inconsistencies in anything I've told you?

>How? The same thing happened when I did nothing but eat salads for a week.
Wrong. Salad does not cause you to shit out your intestinal lining.

>How? I just won this point.
No, anon, you didn't. You said that everyone was dogmatically telling you to go to the doctor and I cited 16 posts that do not mention a doctor whatsoever, but do mention that you aren't supposed to shit out your intestinal lining.

>Lol you're completely ignoring this point and getting mad.
I'm not mad at all. Saying it over and over again won't make it true.

>Described yourself there.
That's not a description of a person, that's what projection is.

>You are both dogmatic and angry. Especially dogmatic.
Except that I never accused you of being either dogmatic or angry, so by definition I can't be projecting. Are you absolutely certain that YOU aren't projecting?

>You'd be wrong and are just ignoring the facts of what happened.
Sure, kid. You've been to twenty doctors and none of them knew what intestinal lining looks like.

>You're actually seething about what actually happened now and how it contradicts your theory.
Except that I'm not, because at this point it's super obvious that you're a troll.

>I thought we already established that the normal stomach lining is different from a massive eschar/slough from an ulcer on your stomach.
We did not, actually. I was explaining to you that your stomach lining is dead tissue that protects the walls of your stomach in exactly the same way that your intestinal lining protects your intestines. Since you think it's a good idea to get rid of your intestinal lining I'm encouraging you to do the same with your stomach or skin.

>>12487725
>>12487786
>Look at you. I just refuted your point and now you're ignoring it and insulting me.
Except that you didn't.

>Eschars sloughing off from damage to the epithelium need to be debrided.
>This is science you are denying.
Have you scrubbed off your epidermis yet? Your skin needs to be debrided. It's good for you. This is the science you're denying

>>12487780
>Nobody has been trying to help me. People have been trying to one-up what they perceive to be a believer in homeopathy in the same cringe way fedora atheists go after christfags
If you just wanted to spout nonsense you could have just gone to >>>/x/

>>12487786
>As soon as you show me yours.
It was you who put forth the claim of what it looks like. The burden of proof is on you.
>Can you cite any inconsistencies in anything I've told you?
I've been doing that every post.
>Salad does not cause you to shit out your intestinal lining.
Then why did I shit out that stuff?
>You said that everyone was dogmatically telling you to go to the doctor
Yes, many people were doing this and contributing essentially nothing and I was right.
>Sure, kid.
Cringe.
>You've been to twenty doctors and none of them knew what intestinal lining looks like.
What does this have to do with anything I have said?
The doctors were clueless and if it wasn't a mainstream disease they said there was nothing they could do.
>Except that I'm not
You are and now have to come up with these wild theories about how I'm lying about what a doctor said to me lmao pathetic
>We did not, actually.
Ohhh, you're just stupid.

>your stomach lining is dead tissue that protects the walls of your stomach
We've already established this and I explained how this typical dead tissue is a completely different thing from damage to the tissue causing massive eschars and sloughing.
According to you, THIS is completely normal because it's dead tissue in your intestinal tract:
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/health-library/diseases-and-conditions/n/necrotizing-colitis.html
Why are we going in circles? Why are you just lying about things we already established?

You don't even want to argue so you'll just lie and go in circles. What a faggot.

>>12487790
>Except that you didn't.
Wrong lol

>Have you scrubbed off your epidermis yet?
lol you still can't refute my point about typical vs atypical necrotic tissue HAHAHAHA

>>12487800
>If you just wanted to spout nonsense
I wanted to post science and theory.
I hate reddit but it's better in scientific discussions because absolute brainlets like you retards and just go "stfu faggot ur rong" over and over without actually having an argument

>>12487790
You are LITERALLY denying the necessity of wound debridement.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507882/
>The primary goal of debridement is to remove all the devitalized tissue from the wound bed to promote wound healing. Debridement is also used for removal of biofilm, bioburden along with senescent cells, and it is suggested to be performed at each encounter.

>In general, the indication for debridement is the removal of devitalized tissue such as necrotic tissue, slough, bioburden, biofilm, and apoptotic cells.

Debridement is recognized as a major component of wound management to prepare the wound bed for reepithelialization. Devitalized tissue, in general, and necrotic tissue, in particular, serve as the source of nutrients for bacteria. Devitalized tissue also acts as a physical barrier for reepithelialization, preventing applied topical compounds to make direct contact with the wound bed to provide their beneficial properties. Necrotic tissue also prevents angiogenesis, granulation tissue formation, epidermal resurfacing, and normal extracellular matrix (ECM) formation. Finally, the presence of necrotic tissue may prevent the clinician from making an accurate assessment of the extent and severity of the wound, even masking possible underlying infections.[9][10][11]

Holy fuck go back to /x/ with your pseudoscience.
Do you believe the earth is flat too?

>>12487816
There is no argument to be had, go to another doctor of intestinal medicine, give symptoms and provide the pic and tell them what you did that might have caused it. It doesn’t matter that you’ve been to 15 doctors in your life, it doesn’t matter if the last one told you it’s powerade and kicked you out. You do not want treatment based on image boards anyway and you certainly don’t want treatment based on what you think, even if you studied the subject for 12 years.

>>12487829
>go to another doctor of intestinal medicine, give symptoms and provide the pic and tell them what you did that might have caused it.
I'm trying to get in with other doctors so it's going to take some time.
I'm doing my own research and I want advice from people on the internet.
>You do not want treatment based on image boards anyway
I knew I would get mostly shit on in this thread but sometimes there is just one guy out there that knows what he's talking about and would be a great help.

>>12487184
>eating healthy and doing a cleanse
Post diet/recipes please
What did you use for the cleanse ?

>op shits out his intestines after following a fad diet
>demands /sci/ tell him how healthy he is and gets upset when they tell him to see a doctor

good thread

>>12487840
>>op shits out his intestines after following a fad diet
>salad and low carb is a fad diet
You don't shit out your intestines after this.
>>demands /sci/ tell him how healthy he is and gets upset when they tell him to see a doctor
Are you trolling or something?
Read the thread you fucking retard.

Taking enzyme supplements don't make you shit out your intestines, something else must be happening here.

>>12487840
yep, nice summary

>>12487926
It's literally not what happened at all.
I already said I've been to countless doctors.
What's actually happening here is retards don't know how to read.

why did you eat your mother's pantyhose anon? you got some weird fucking fetishes

>>12487813
>It was you who put forth the claim of what it looks like. The burden of proof is on you.
Wrong. My claims are entirely in line with medicine and are supported by everyone in this thread.

>I've been doing that every post.
No, you haven't. You can try now if you'd like.

>Then why did I shit out that stuff?
Because of the shit you ate that wasn't salad.

>Yes, many people were doing this and contributing essentially nothing and I was right.
Wrong. You asserted that EVERYONE insisted that you go to the doctor. That is clearly false. Even if there were only one post in this thread that didn't mention the doctor you'd still have been wrong. Furthermore, all of them are telling you the exact same thing.

>What does this have to do with anything I have said?
It is the crux of your claim that you went to the doctor. You obviously you didn't go to the doctor since literally any one of them from any country would immediately identify the intestinal lining that you shat out.

>The doctors were clueless and if it wasn't a mainstream disease they said there was nothing they could do.
Wrong. This is 100% fantasy. It's very common for morons like you to ingest things they shouldn't and shit out their intestinal lining. It's a good thing you're just trolling.

>You are and now have to come up with these wild theories about how I'm lying about what a doctor said to me lmao pathetic
Again, repeating things over and over does not make them true. You are very obviously lying. You have never been to the doctor for this problem in any country, let alone whatever pretend country you claim to be from.

>Ohhh, you're just stupid.
The irony here. Tell me more about how doctors don't know what intestinal lining looks like and that a gastroenterologist doesn't understand how digestion works.

>>12488139
>he's STILL replying hours later
lmao

>>12487184
Just barely reading through this thread OP seems like a dumb ass fucking cunt.
STFU, OP no one cares if you literally shit out your internal organs and die

>>12487813
>>12488139
>We've already established this and I explained how this typical dead tissue is a completely different thing from damage to the tissue causing massive eschars and sloughing.
No "we" haven't. That's your unsupported claim. It's stupid and so obviously wrong that you won't even entertain the idea of damaging your skin or stomach in the same way.

>Why are we going in circles? Why are you just lying about things we already established?
Because you don't have necrotizing colitis. If you did a doctor would have diagnosed you. That's even more proof that you're speaking... wait for it... out of your ass.

>You don't even want to argue so you'll just lie and go in circles. What a faggot.
The irony.

>lol you still can't refute my point about typical vs atypical necrotic tissue HAHAHAHA
Why are you still covered in dead skin? You said right here that it's good for you:

>You are LITERALLY denying the necessity of wound debridement
You are literally denying debridement right now. Scrape off your skin and post a pick. Debridement is good for you. Don't deny science.

>Devitalized tissue, in general, and necrotic tissue, in particular, serve as the source of nutrients for bacteria. Devitalized tissue also acts as a physical barrier for reepithelialization, preventing applied topical compounds to make direct contact with the wound bed to provide their beneficial properties
See? You're dirty and the dead skin prevents beneficial compounds from making contact with your skin. You should scrape it all off. You know, since we both agree that debriding is good for you.

>I already said I've been to countless doctors.
Except that you haven't been to any doctors because your condition is trivial and literally a nurse could have told you that you're shitting out your intestinal lining. At least try to be more convincing when you lie.

>>12487839
OP seems dumb enough to "cleanse" with fucking bleach or battery acid.

>>12488139
>My claims are entirely in line with medicine
You don't even know what medical wound debridement is. You support pseudoscience.
>supported by everyone in this thread.
Argumentum ad populum
>No, you haven't.
Yes I have, see this post.
>Because of the shit you ate that wasn't salad.
Is was.
Lol you're literally just going NO U to everything and claiming I'm making shit up.
Why would I lie about the facts if I'm trying to get help?
Grow up.
>You asserted that EVERYONE insisted that you go to the doctor.
Most people were. Obviously I didn't mean literally "everyone". Are you a retarded robot and take things literally?
>all of them are telling you the exact same thing.
Most of these posts are just you anyway and I already explained how they were wrong and they haven't refuted me yet.
>You obviously you didn't go to the doctor since literally any one of them from any country would immediately identify the intestinal lining that you shat out.
Except that I did go to the doctor and what I stated is literally what happened.
You're just mad that the facts don't fit your narrative.
>It's very common for morons like you to ingest things they shouldn't and shit out their intestinal lining.
No it's not. HAHA What?
Show me sources for this claim. Links to medical studies, IMAGES, ANYTHING!!? This should be fucking good.
Show me it being a common occurrence too.
This just proves you are making shit up and don't give a fuck about the science and just want to "pwn" me like the middle-schooler you are.

>repeating things over and over does not make them true.
Exactly. Claiming people are lying about things over and over doesn't make them true.
>You are very obviously lying.
You are obviously seething.

>Tell me more about how doctors don't know what intestinal lining looks like and that a gastroenterologist doesn't understand how digestion works.
You have zero clue as to how any of these work.

>>12488161
>Just barely reading through this thread OP seems like a dumb ass fucking cunt.
>STFU, OP no one cares if you literally shit out your internal organs and die
Kill yourself faggot.

>>12488169
>durrrrrhurrrr
This website is fucking retarded I swear

This thread is a new level of clamped.

First off:
>Slippery Elm, Cascara Sagrada, Barberry, Chinese Rhubarb and Plantain leaf
Won't do shit to you. You fucking retards that think herbs == bad, scawwy n dayngurus!! are the worst. Use google, pubmed, or your fucking brain. Slippery elm is a lot like marshmallow root, it sucks up water and it's an indigestible fiber. Plantain accelerates healing and cleans wounds. Don't know much about cascara, seems to be a laxative, perhaps something like senna leaf? The rest, just google. Stupid fucks.

OP, you should try NAC, garlic, onion, MSM, activated charcoal, and vitamin C flushes. Water fasting could be beneficial as well. Bear in mind also that most food is PROBABLY full of nano metallic particles.

>>12488194
>You don't even know what medical wound debridement is. You support pseudoscience.
It's where you scrape or cut away all the dead skin. If you don't have a knife handy you can use scissors, but I do expect you do remove all of your dead skin and upload the pics if you want me to believe that you're anything but a troll.

>Lol you're literally just going NO U to everything and claiming I'm making shit up.
The irony. How's that debriding coming along?

>Why would I lie about the facts if I'm trying to get help?
You aren't though. You're just lying on the internet because you're bored. Let's see that debriding job.

>Most people were. Obviously I didn't mean literally "everyone".
Except that's exactly what you've said repeatedly.

>Are you a retarded robot and take things literally?
Sure. Have you finished debriding yet?

>Most of these posts are just you anyway and I already explained how they were wrong and they haven't refuted me yet.
Lol I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight. If you've finished debriding yourself you can upload those pictures.

>Except that I did go to the doctor and what I stated is literally what happened.
No, you very clearly didn't. I'll believe that you did go to the doctor, but ignored everything they said when you upload that picture of your dermis sans dead skin.

>Show me sources for this claim. Links to medical studies, IMAGES, ANYTHING!!? This should be fucking good.
Sure, kid.

https://www.google.com/search?q=intestinal+lining+in+stool&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwisqNKLid3tAhWFaM0KHdtaChMQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=intestinal+lining&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQARgBMgQIIxAnMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIAFAAWABggRdoAHAAeACAAagBiAGoAZIBAzAuMZgBAMABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=CIjfX6yEIoXRtQbbtamYAQ&bih=680&biw=393&client=ms-android-google&prmd=isvn

Now then. I've shown you mine, so show me that pink patch of skin you've been polishing. And I don't mean your dick.

>Show me it being a common occurrence too.
Show me that you've been debriding.

>>12488167
>No "we" haven't.
Ohh so you're admitting you think scars and undebrided necrotic tissue is the same thing as a healthy typical epithelium?
>That's your unsupported claim.
This is literal science. See:
>>12487821
You don't even accept the germ theory of disease.

>Because you don't have necrotizing colitis.
According to you, this condition doesn't exist because any dead and rotting tissue on your epithelium is always a good and normal part of it and shouldn't be removed.
You constantly argue in bad faith and then wonder why you get btfo.

>If you did a doctor would have diagnosed you.
Conditions get missed or misdiagnosed all of the time.

>That's even more proof that you're speaking... wait for it... out of your ass.
You're a child.

>Why are you still covered in dead skin?
I already explained how typical levels of "dead skin" are normal. For the millionth time, I'm referring to abnormal levels of dead skin and fibrous tissue from damage.
You obviously understand the difference and are pretending it doesn't exist because you're a manchild who wants to be "right".

>Scrape off your skin and post a pick.
Why would I do that to my healthy skin? I'm referring to potential eschar sloughing off as a result of damage.

>You know, since we both agree that debriding is good for you.
More autism and arguing in bad faith.

>Except that you haven't been to any doctors
I have.
>because your condition is trivial
Nope.
>and literally a nurse could have told you that you're shitting out your intestinal lining.
Why would a support the pseudoscience you believe in.
Show me where shitting out massive amounts of intestinal lining is a common occurrence. You can't because you're a retard and a liar.

>>12488200
At least you understand your shit unlike the retards in this thread so far.

this thread is fucking epic

>>12487184
>>12487193
Nice copyright retard, I can't understand why jannies purge good threads and allow these baits. Have a (you) and fuck off.

>>12488235
>It's where you scrape or cut away all the dead skin.
No, it's only doing this, IF NECCESSARY.
More bad faith from the autist.
>The irony. How's that debriding coming along?
You have no argument.
>You're just lying on the internet because you're bored.
You have no argument.
>Except that's exactly what you've said repeatedly.
So? Learn nuance you autist.
>Sure. Have you finished debriding yet?
You have no argument.
>If you've finished debriding yourself you can upload those pictures.
You have no argument.
>but ignored everything they said when you upload that picture of your dermis sans dead skin.
You have no argument.

>Sure, kid.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA HOLY FUCK
These are images of pseudoscience websites showing "rope worm" coming out of people. Also pictures from farmers showing this happening to CHICKENS!
Where are your pubmed links? Where are your real sources?

>Show me that you've been debriding.
You have no argument.

An entire post of zero argument. Impressive.

>>12488194
>>12488235
>This just proves you are making shit up and don't give a fuck about the science and just want to "pwn" me like the middle-schooler you are.
Sure, kid. Doctors don't know how to do their job and there are lines to the examination room because socialism bad, but you know something that Medical Mechanica needs to suppress, so the doctors tell you it's powerade. You're overreaching. Let's see your debriding progress.

>Claiming people are lying about things over and over doesn't make them true.
Lying about them over and over again won't make them true. Let's see that healthy debrided skin.

>You are obviously seething.
You are obviously a troll. You can convince me I'm wrong by posting a picture of your debrided skin.

>You have zero clue as to how any of these work
The irony. Let's see those pics.

>>12488260
The image with the copyright was just an image I found off google.

>>12488267
>Let's see your debriding progress.
You have no argument.
>Lying about them over and over again won't make them true. Let's see that healthy debrided skin.
You have no argument.
>You are obviously a troll.
You have no argument.
>The irony. Let's see those pics.
You have no argument.

You're sneething right now after realizing you were wrong.
I already refuted your shit and you're just spamming the thread at this point.
Wounds need to be debrided if necessary. Normal skin with a typical level of dead skin cells does not need to be.
Why is this so complicated for you?

>>12488267
>>12488235
Hey retard, you know when you exfoliate your skin it's literally taking off the dead skin cells.
It actually makes your skin healthier.
You're literally telling anon to exfoliate his skin so he looks better.

>>12488239
>Ohh so you're admitting you think scars and undebrided necrotic tissue is the same thing as a healthy typical epithelium?
Nope. I've never made any such claim. Are you admitting that you're speaking out of your ass, since you still haven't uploaded those pics?

>This is literal science
Then why are you still covered in dead skin?

>According to you, this condition doesn't exist because any dead and rotting tissue on your epithelium is always a good and normal part of it and shouldn't be removed.
Wrong. You not having it is entirely different from the disease not existing at all. Of course you know that and are just trolling as evidenced by your lack of debriding pics.

>You constantly argue in bad faith and then wonder why you get btfo.
The irony. Let's see those pictures.

>Conditions get missed or misdiagnosed all of the time.
Not by multiple doctors and a specialist. You can of course convince me that you went to the doctor and ignored what they had to say because you didn't like it IF you upload those debriding pics.

>I already explained how typical levels of "dead skin" are normal.
And I explained how your intestinal lining is normal and not supposed to leak out of your ass. You've also claimed that debriding is good for you, so let's see it.

>You obviously understand the difference and are pretending it doesn't exist because you're a manchild who wants to be "right".
The irony. Have you taken those pictures yet?

>Why would I do that to my healthy skin?
Why would you do that to your healthy colon? The simplest answer is that you didn't because you're a troll.

>More autism and arguing in bad faith.
The irony. Pics or you didn't debride.

>Why would a support the pseudoscience you believe in.
You believe in way wackier shit than me, dude. You keep asserting that a salad made your asshole fall out. Have you finished debriding yet?

>>12488239
>>12488267
>Show me where shitting out massive amounts of intestinal lining is a common occurrence
Show me your dermis.

>You can't because you're a retard and a liar.
You won't because you're just a troll.

Shoulda done nofap

>>12488310
>he's still going
lmao faggot it's over, you're just trying to spam the thread at this point.
You're just ignoring a point I made earlier and arguing in bad faith.
See:
>>12488288

and cry harder btw

>>12488263
>No, it's only doing this, IF NECCESSARY.
>More bad faith from the autist.
No, if it's good for your intestines to get rid of dead skin that protects your organs then why shouldn't the same be true for other organs? Let's see your debriding progress.

>You have no argument.
You've had no argument since the start of the thread. More importantly you have no debriding pics proving that you're a troll.

>So? Learn nuance you autist.
The irony. If you had exercised nuance then you wouldn't have outed yourself as a troll. Now let's see those pics.

>These are images of pseudoscience websites showing "rope worm" coming out of people
Wrong. They're pictures of intestinal lining that has become detached in large pieces because they put something in their body that they shouldn't have. Let's see your pictures of all that debrided skin. You must have a pretty good sized patch by now.

>An entire post of zero argument. Impressive.
The irony. Can you upload those pics now?

>>12488315
>>12488337
>he still has no argument to this >>12488288 and continues to argue in bad faith
You lost lmao it's over.

>>12488337
>pictures from the pseudoscience alternative medicine blog are REAL science because I said so

>>12488288
>You have no argument.
The irony. Let's see that nice clean skin.

>You're sneething right now after realizing you were wrong.
Wrong. You've outed yourself as a troll over and over again. Only a real monument to your stupidity will convince me that you are actually retarded and not just trolling. Speaking of, do you have those debriding pics?

>Wounds need to be debrided if necessary. Normal skin with a typical level of dead skin cells does not need to be.
That's backpedaling pretty far. Just two posts ago you said that I didn't accept the medical benefits of debriding skin for no reason.

>Why is this so complicated for you?
The irony

>>12488297
>Hey retard, you know when you exfoliate your skin it's literally taking off the dead skin cells.
>It actually makes your skin healthier.
>You're literally telling anon to exfoliate his skin so he looks better.
Then why won't he do it?

>>12488336
>lmao faggot it's over, you're just trying to spam the thread at this point.
Correct. I want you to grind off your skin off for me, OP. Can't win if you don't play.

>You're just ignoring a point I made earlier and arguing in bad faith.
The irony. Let's see those pics.

>cry harder btw
Why would I? I'm not the one shitting out my intestinal wall. Though to be fair, I guess you aren't either since this is all a fabrication. Let's see the patch you've been working on so far.

>>12488310
>You've also claimed that debriding is good for you
It is. Wound debridement is a common medical procedure, if this process doesn't take place, the wound will get infected and/or heal improperly/slower.
Why do you think you're owning him on this point when everyone else knows you are wrong?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/debridement
https://www.science.gov/topicpages/s/surgical+wound+debridement.html
https://www.todayswoundclinic.com/articles/debridement-chronic-wounds-review-past-present-treatment-strategies

>>12488375
>he's still posting

>>12488345
>he still has no argument to this
The irony. Let's see those pics.

>>12488350
>pictures from the pseudoscience alternative medicine blog are REAL science because I said so
Is that where you collected the two pictures you've been claiming as your own? Cute. Now let's see that dermis.

>>12487848
IIIRC they can if you are a fucking mong and take way way way too many.
>>12488159
This. OP is either a troll or a woman. No point in responding

>>12488383
This guy is literally crying irl right now lmao

>>12488377
>Wound debridement is a common medical procedure, if this process doesn't take place, the wound will get infected and/or heal improperly/slower.
Better get on it then, huh? Let's see those pics

>Why do you think you're owning him on this point when everyone else knows you are wrong?
Why do you think you are subtle enough to trick people who know you're trolling? Upload the pile of dead skin that you've debrided already.

>>12488382
>he's still posting
The irony. Let's see those pics.

>>12488391
>This guy is literally crying irl right now lmao
You know that doesn't look quite like a picture of your debrided dermis. Would you like to try again? You clearly mixed up the thumbnails when you selected the image.

>>12488383
>>12488394
Okay here I just took the picture because this is literally what the removal of dead skin cells from your skin means.
Happy?
Why is your skin so rough and scarred? lmao

>>12488401
Bless your heart

>>12488401
Forgot pic :^)

>>12488401
>Why is your skin so rough and scarred
Your body adapts to stress. If you do a lot of physical labor, your skin will get thicker and callous more. Same if you fight a lot.

>>12488401
>Okay here I just took the picture because this is literally what the removal of dead skin cells from your skin means.
Great! Now upload them so I can tell you that you didn't debride properly.

>>12488400
>>12488394
You're crying lmao

>>12488407
>>12488413
Nope, see it's just like I said. Even pretending that is a picture of you instead of a random one you pulled of the internet, your technique is all wrong. An apricot scrub will not debride your skin. Feel free to try again.

>>12488413
Here

>>12488419
>An apricot scrub will not debride your skin.
Yes it will lmao. It takes the dead skin off. That's literally what it is. Oh my god you're so dumb hahaha

>>12488414
>You're crying lmao
Actually, I'm just waiting for that debriding pic

I found OP. What a lass she is! I dare say she could feed an entire village for weeks!

>>12488424
see:
>>12488407

You don't even know what debriding is lol, you're extremely stupid.

>>12488420
Try again.

>>12488423
Wrong. An apricot scrub does not debride your skin. Let's see it for real this time.

>>12488423
Show tits

>>12488429
>You don't even know what debriding is lol, you're extremely stupid.
The irony. Let's see your tender, pink, epidermis-free skin

>>12488429
I know what debriding is you fucking dunce. You nigger. I’ve btfo you every post in this thread. You want to keep going? I can and will do this all day

>>12488432
Here

>>12488435
I'm seeing a lot of epi- and not a lot of -dermis. I really hope that's a real picture of you though. Easily the ugliest mother fucker I've seen in months.

>>12488430
>An apricot scrub does not debride your skin.
Yes it does. It's quite literally what it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exfoliation_(cosmetology)

Why are you even on a science board if you're such an actual retard?

>>12488431
uWu

>>12488432
>>12488433

>Let's see your tender, pink, epidermis-free skin
LOL The entire epidermis isn't dead cells you absolute moron. The majority of it is living cells. You're confusing this with the top layer of the epidermis the Stratum corneum.

OH WAIT HAHAHAHAHAHA
It's not even dead either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratum_corneum

>There has been a long-standing belief in dermatology that the stratum corneum consisted of dead cells (corneocytes), devoid of biological activity and function. The stratum corneum is now understood to be live tissue that performs protective and adaptive physiological functions including mechanical shear, impact resistance, water flux and hydration regulation, microbial proliferation and invasion regulation, initiation of inflammation through cytokine activation and dendritic cell activity, and selective permeability to exclude toxins, irritants, and allergens.[2]

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>12488439
That’s chuck. The 55y.o. /pol/ boomer.

>>12488445
t. Moron

>>12488439
>I really hope that's a real picture of you though. Easily the ugliest mother fucker I've seen in months.
I'm pretty good looking desu as well as being intelligent unlike you who doesn't even understand what the epidermis or debridement is.

>>12488445
>Yes it does. It's quite literally what it is
Exfoliation =/= debriding. Would you like to try again?

>Why are you even on a science board if you're such an actual retard?
The irony. Upload those pics.

>LOL The entire epidermis isn't dead cells you absolute moron. The majority of it is living cells. You're confusing this with the top layer of the epidermis the Stratum corneum.
Just like your intestinal lining. It's it weird that the analog fits so well? Let's see that patch of debrided skin.

Upload the pics.

>>12488452
He sure looks like it. Even Tooker has a prettier face.

>>12488459

Op here you go. Stare into this deeply.

>>12488455
>t. Moron
lmao see:
>>12488445

you got owned kid, just close the tab

>>12488459
>Exfoliation =/= debriding.
Exfoliation: Removal of dead cells.
Debridement: Removal of dead and rotting cells.

>Upload those pics.
I would literally just scrub my face with a wet washcloth for a minute. Did you think this would mean cutting my skin off? lmao you don't even know what the epidermis is

>Just like your intestinal lining.
Yes they are both epithelial layers. Your point?
lmao you got got fucking rekt here it's unbelievable: >>12488445

>>12488477
>you got owned kid, just close the tab
The irony. Upload the pics.

>Exfoliation: Removal of dead cells.
>Debridement: Removal of dead and rotting cells.
Wrong. Now let's see the skin you've debrided.

>I would literally just scrub my face with a wet washcloth for a minute
So you're copping out? I can't say I'm surprised.

>Yes they are both epithelial layers. Your point?
That you aren't supposed to do shit that causes them to disappear. That might be to complicated of a concept for you though, so feel free to upload those debriding picks instead of parsing that information.

>>12488484
See:
>>12488445

This is ALL that needs to be said.
Just close the tab lmao
You stopped actually trying to argue hours ago and are just wasting your time seething HAHA

>That you aren't supposed to do shit that causes them to disappear.
I never implied this you dumb fuck holy shit. I was saying it was a growth on top of this of additional dead cells, fibrin, mucous etc.
This is what constitutes eschar.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschar
>Eschar may be allowed to slough off naturally, or it may require surgical removal (debridement) to prevent infection, especially in immunocompromised patients (e.g. if a skin graft is to be conducted).
So YES YES faggot you are supposed to remove this specific thing.
lmao why am I bothering to argue with a troll

Post your face.

>>12488484
No

OP here.

>>12488497
>This is ALL that needs to be said.
>Just close the tab lmao
Just upload the pics

>You stopped actually trying to argue hours ago and are just wasting your time seething
The irony. Let's see that debriding progress.

>I never implied this you dumb fuck holy shit. I was saying it was a growth on top of this of additional dead cells, fibrin, mucous etc.
And you're wrong. Let's see that shiny dermis.

>So YES YES faggot you are supposed to remove this specific thing.
Then debride you colon after you finish with your skin. You'll be so much healthier afterwards. Upload some pics too.

>>12488525
Lol no. Try again, you mixed up the thumbnails again.

>>12488527
>literally ZERO argument after the utter assmolishment that was:
>>12488445 and >>12488497

>>12488532
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488535
>>literally ZERO argument after the utter assmolishment that was
The irony. I'm still waiting on those pics. Let's see your shiny, debrided dermis and now your debrided colon too. You've been claiming it's good for you so you have no reason not to.

>>12488541
There's not even an image attached to that one. Try again.

>>12488555
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488559
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488560
>>12488563
Try again. Post pictures of your debrided skin and colon.

>>12488578
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

This thread is a fucking mess.
OP is a faggot but so is this annoying faggot that managed to get destroyed by OP

>>12488581
Post it.

>>12488597
You aren't fooling anyone, OP. Post those pictures.

>>12488601
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488606
That's not a picture

>>12488608
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488611
Try again. Let's see that debrided skin.

>>12487270
>see doctor before you shit your intestines out (literally)
>shit your intestines out (literally)
>no need to see a doctor cuz you already saw one a while ago
are you legit retarded?

>>12487560
>The first time(the bloody mucous) was simply eating salads for a week.
then stop eating nothing but salad you fucking moron, salad has nothing in it
just fucking swap the lettuce out for cabbage and itd be immediately better

>>12488623
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488629
That sure doesn't look like a picture. Would you like to try again?

>>12488625
>>no need to see a doctor cuz you already saw one a while ago
When did I say this? I'm still going to doctors and have gastro appt in the new year.

>>12488632
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12487939
>I already said I've been to countless doctors.
yet youve never claimed that you took their advice into consideration
and its really easy to believe that you would just scoff in their face so they wouldnt want to deal with you

>>12487184
It's mucosa, retard. Those are the cells you damaged with your bullshit.

>>12488637
That sure doesn't look like an image for your freshly debrided skin. Would you like to try again?

>>12488638
>yet youve never claimed that you took their advice into consideration
The ones with sensible advice I took, I changed my diet, stopped eating gluten etc. but they couldn't explain the bloody fibrous tissue. The most retarded one told me the bloody image was probably powerade kek

>>12488639
>Those are the cells you damaged with your bullshit.
Ah yes, eating salad causes you to shit out mucosa.
Also why did I feel so much better when it happened both times? I was sleeping better, better mood, ibs issues down etc.

>>12487249
>its causing buildup
The slough is YOU, fucking retard. It comes from the large intestine, and its function is to make shit pass without sticking to the wall and making bacteria pierce your fucking gut.

>B-but I improved!
Improved what? Your delusions, schizo? You'll fucking bleed yourself to death.

>>12488645
Why do you want to see OPs exfoliated skin and colon so much bro, are you gay?

>>12488652
There's no image attached to that post OP. Let's see how the debriding is coming along.

>>12488659
Yes, but that's besides the point. OP keeps claiming that debriding your skin and intestinal walls is a good thing but refuses to nut up.

>>12488656
>The slough is YOU, fucking retard. It comes from the large intestine, and its function is to make shit pass without sticking to the wall and making bacteria pierce your fucking gut.
Intestinal epithelial tissue does not look like that. It looks like this:
>>12487558
Damaged SLOUGHING tissue looks like:
>>12487598

>Improved what?
IBS symptoms, mood etc

Epic thread. I rate 10/10, good job.
>>12488484
absolutely seething. Get trolled kiddo. Dilate. Exfoliate.

>>12488673
No picture on that post either. Try again, OP.

>>12488663
>OP keeps claiming that debriding your skin and intestinal walls is a good thing
OP literally proved that several times over and you still haven't refuted him.
You keep pretending the skin is made up of dead tissue but science shows it's not. Debridement is the equivalent of sanding off calluses and nothing more.

>>12488645
>>12488660
>>12488663
>>12488675
>See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488676
>OP literally proved that several times over and you still haven't refuted him
Sure, kid. How about you debride your colon real quick and post a picture. You'll be healthier, right?

>>12488681
Try again.

>>12488686
>he’s still crying
Dude just give it up. You lost.

>>12488686
>How about you debride your colon real quick
I literally would if I could lmao
Why are you still posting and pretending words mean different things?

>>12488698
You can accomplish the task with an old toothbrush. You have no excuse not to.

>>12488693
Try again. It looks like you confused the thumbnails again.

>>12488706
>You can accomplish the task with an old toothbrush.
Not really. The tissue is much further up the intestinal tract most likely in or near the small intestine. I legitimately would have that tissue debrided if I could.

>>12488713
Wrong, kid. You're making up excuses because you know that it's damaging to your body. Let's see you put your ass on the line.

>>12487628
>Ok "skeptic"
Yep, this seals it. You definitely did some bullshit woo cleanse you saw on YouTube

>>12488725
>You're making up excuses
What? No. I've done enemas before and they don't reach that far. I've only gotten this shit out with strict healthy diets and enzyme supplements.
>you know that it's damaging to your body.
By reliving my symptoms?
>Let's see you put your ass on the line.
I would pay money to have this procedure done.

>>12488727
You "skeptics" just just as dogmatic as homeopathic hippie wine aunts. You don't actually look into the science and read journals, you don't question anything, you just blindly trust the FDA and mainstream narratives.

>>12488733
>I've done enemas before and they don't reach that far.
An enema is not a method of debriding. I'm sure you know this, so why are you pretending otherwise? Could it be because you don't want to damage your intestines?

>By reliving my symptoms?
Lol let's see it.

>I would pay money to have this procedure done.
Then do it. Post pics of your intestinal debriding session with Karen. I'm sure she can fit you in between picking up the kids from soccer practice and her next Doterra appointment.

>>12488747
Hey, OP. Debride your colon. Post pics

>>12487193
The cleanse is causing your intestinal lining to slough off.

>>12488768
>An enema is not a method of debriding.
Increasing moisture and pressure to an era is literally a method of debriding. A weak one, but a method non the less.
>Lol let's see it.
Post face first. We all want to see the picture of the most obsessed autist on 4chan.
>Post pics of your intestinal debriding session with Karen.
Holy fuck you're actually a cringe facebook boomer lmao

You're probably the most assravaged posted I have ever come across.
>See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488788
>The cleanse is causing your intestinal lining to slough off.
That's not what slough means at all.

>>12487558
Does a healthy colon really look like this? To prepare for a colonoscopy you fast and cleanse your colon with extreme laxatives for days. A healthy colon will have a biofilm lining of microorganisms digesting food.

>>12488773
>See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488791
>Increasing moisture and pressure to an era is literally a method of debriding
Wrong.

>Post face first.
Nope. I have nothing to prove here. You can go ahead and start in with that toothbrush now.

>Holy fuck you're actually a cringe facebook boomer lmao
Are you Karen?

>You're probably the most assravaged posted I have ever come across.
That's because you haven't debrided your intestines yet.

>>12488802
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

slough2
/sləf/
verb
verb: slough; 3rd person present: sloughs; past tense: sloughed; past participle: sloughed; gerund or present participle: sloughing
shed or remove (a layer of dead skin).
"a snake sloughs off its old skin"
get rid of (something undesirable or no longer required).
"he is concerned to slough off the country's bad environmental image"
Similar:
dispose of
discard
throw away
throw out
get rid of
toss out
shed
jettison
scrap
cast aside/off
repudiate
abandon
relinquish
drop
dispense with
have done with
reject
shrug off
throw on the scrapheap
chuck (away/out)
fling away
dump
ditch
axe
bin
junk
get shut of
get shot of
trash
forsake
Opposite:
keep
acquire
(of dead skin) drop off; be shed.
(of soil or rock) collapse or slide into a hole or depression.
noun
noun: slough
the dropping off of dead tissue from living flesh.
"the drugs can cause blistering and slough"

Is this hypochondria? Normally I'd say a hypochondriac is an otherwise healthy person who believes they have an illnes, what do you call it when someone has some bullshit explanation for an actual illness?

>>12488810
You know, if you had started when I told you to you would have been done by now.

>>12488807
>Does a healthy colon really look like this?
All google images show this to be a healthy colon.

>>12488822
>Wrong.
Nope, you just get more and more things wrong like those 3 posts I keep linking you that you have no response to. How embarrassing.
>Nope.
Are you scared?
Post face.
>Are you Karen?
You're literally using cringe facebook words.
>That's because you haven't debrided your intestines yet.
I would debride my intestines with your mothers face if I could :^)

>>12488830
Delusions

>>12488827
The lining would have to be dead FIRST before it is sloughed off, brainlet.

>Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
HAHAHAHAHA Holy FUCK
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488831
If you had actually refuted any of my points you wouldn't be crying all over the thread like the cuck you are.
Do it bitch. Post your ugly face too.

>>12488833
>Nope, you just get more and more things wrong like those 3 posts
Sure, kid. That's why you're afraid of debriding your colon and trying to haggle down to an enema, right?

>Are you scared?
No

>Post face
Also no. Debride your asshole.

>I would debride my intestines with your mothers face if I could :^)
That would be fine as long as you posted some pics. You won't do it though, because you're afraid to put your ass on the line.

>>12488830
OP here. I wish I was.
When you're seeing actual physical images of fucked up shit coming out of someone you have to doubt if the patient is a hypochondriac

>>12488843
>The lining would have to be dead FIRST before it is sloughed off, brainlet.
No it doesn't. Debride your asshole already.

>If you had actually refuted any of my points you wouldn't be crying all over the thread like the cuck you are
That's why you're afraid to debride your intestines, right? Because I'm wrong and you're right?

>Do it bitch. Post your ugly face too.
Right after we get that action shot of your colon being debrided.

>>12488846
>That's why you're afraid of debriding your colon
I have done this with enzymes. These are literally the only tools at my disposal without killing myself.
You truly should have been aborted.
>No
Post face then.
>Debride your asshole.
My asshole is not the issue here.
>You won't do it though, because you're afraid to put your ass on the line.
I don't owe you anything lol.
You do however owe me an actual argument after getting demolished here:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

It's funny that other anons have picked up on this too.

>>12488855
>Debride your asshole already.
What?
Are you dumb? That makes no sense.
>That's why you're afraid to debride your intestines, right?
I would love to but I have no methods of doing so.
Are you retarded? Oh wait you couldn't refute those 3 posts so yes you are lul
>Right after we get that action shot of your colon being debrided.
Post face.

This poster is so fucking mad he got owned by op and he wants everyone in the thread to know lol

Uh maybe OP is right?
>This is an example of pseudomembranous enterocolitis. The mucosal surface of the colon seen here is hyperemic and is partially covered by a yellow-green exudate. The mucosa itself is not eroded. Broad spectrum antibiotic usage (such as clindamycin) and/or immunosuppression allows overgrowth of bacteria such as Clostridium difficile or Staphylococcus aureus or fungi such as Candida to cause this appearance.
https://www.tau.ac.il/medicine/tau-only/webpath/gihtml/gi051.htm

Note they characterise it as exudate, a different characterisation to OP's working hypotheses.

>>12488859
>I have done this with enzymes. These are literally the only tools at my disposal without killing myself.
That's because it's not supposed to happen. You are really backing yourself into a corner here so I'll cut you some slack. Just debride the last 6 inches of your colon.

>Post face then
Post your debriding.

>My asshole is not the issue here.
No, but it is being used to demonstrate how much harm debriding your intestines can do.

>I don't owe you anything lol
I never said you did. I did however say that you're too much of a coward to debride your intestines.

>It's funny that other anons have picked up on this too.
It will be funnier when one of you fags nuts up and uploads their debriding pics

>>12488889
>The colonoscopic appearance is seen below.

>>12488864
>I would love to but I have no methods of doing so.
>Are you retarded? Oh wait you couldn't refute those 3 posts so yes you are lul
You have a toothbrush. If you don't then you have a rag. Either of those will allow you to debride the last 6 inches of your colon so either get to it or admit that you don't want to damage your body.

Colon of a nursery pig in which the mucosa has a yellowish granular appearance, with some smooth erosion foci. At a microscopic level they are areas with mucosal necrosis. It is a necrotic colitis caused by Salmonella. In this process, the small intestine can also be affected. We must make a differential diagnosis with the lesions caused by Brachyspiras, specially B. hyodysenteriae, that only affect the large intestine and that are more frequent in growing and fattening pigs, although they can also affect nursery pigs.

>>12488878
Nice try, OP, but that's not a picture of you debriding your intestines.

>>12488891
>Just debride the last 6 inches of your colon.
Impossible, there is no dead tissue there as we have already established and you keep ignoring.

Anyway, you just keep on hilariously getting btfo post after post and there's an actual scientist here I'm going to reply to now.
In the meantime you can read these posts:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>>12488897
>You have a toothbrush.
I can't still a toothbrush in my small intestine brainlet.
>debride the last 6 inches of your colon
See above.

>>12488902
STILL not me

>>12488889
>>12488894
>>12488898
Based actually intelligent poster.

You can read more about this here:
https://www.mucoidplaqueguru.com/2019/04/mucoid-plaque-is-scientifically-proven.html

What I really need to know is how to get rid of it?

>>12488905
>Impossible, there is no dead tissue there as we have already established and you keep ignoring.
Your intestinal lining extends all the way to your asshole. You're trying to weasel out of this.

>Anyway, you just keep on hilariously getting btfo post after post
Wrong. Every time you refuse to debride your intestines it's more proof that you aren't willing to damage your body in order to win an internet argument and if you do upload the pic then I will have goaded you into hurting yourself. It what I like to call a win-win situation.

>I can't still a toothbrush in my small intestine brainlet.
Yes, you can. Do it.

>>12488911
Sure, kid. Where are those pics?

>>12488923
>mucoidplagueguru.com
>Mucoid plague is scientifically proven
Lol sure is MMS in here

>>12488931
>Your intestinal lining extends all the way to your asshole.
Yes but no dead cells as I have already explained here and you are absolutely FUMING about:
>>12488445

>You're trying to weasel out of this.
What? That part of my intestines is already debrided.
All you would get is a picture of my gaping asshole. Is this what you want? Are you gay?

>willing to damage your body in order to win an internet argument
I am not damaging my body and I already DID do these things with proof of the aftermath. It's literally what this thread is about.
>Yes, you can.
>dude just kill yourself
I know you're pathetically trolling and grasping for straws but even this is retarded man, just give up and close the tab.

>>12488936
Where's the pics of your mom pegging you?

>>12488940
Read the actual article dipshit. He mocks hippies that think mucoid plaque is compacted feces. He uses nothing but medical textbooks and studies.
It would probably help if he didn't call it mucoid plaque, but still. Mucoid cap makes more sense.

>>12488894
>>12488889
Very interesting and fits with OPs hypothesis quite well.

>>12488945
>Yes but no dead cells as I have already explained here and you are absolutely FUMING about
Wrong again. That's the end that naturally sloughs off when you take a shit. It has the MOST dead tissue of your intestinal lining. Now let's see you debride it.

>What? That part of my intestines is already debrided.
It's not. Stick a toothbrush up there and find out.

>I am not damaging my body and I already DID do these things with proof of the aftermath.
Not in this thread you didn't. Let's see it.

>I know you're pathetically trolling and grasping for straws but even this is retarded man, just give up and close the tab
No. Post pictures of you debriding your colon.

>Where's the pics of your mom pegging you?
On my hard drive. I'll upload them after we see those debriding pics.

>>12488952
>He mocks hippies that think mucoid plaque is compacted feces. He uses nothing but medical textbooks and studies.
>It would probably help if he didn't call it mucoid plaque, but still.
Sure is MMS in here

>>12488959
>Wrong again.
No lol. You don't even accept established science and got absolutely btfo HAHA
See: >>12488445

>That's the end that naturally sloughs off when you take a shit.
No it doesn't. Your rectum does not slough off every time you take a shit.
Do you have any pubmed studies proving your retarded hypothesis?

>It's not.
It is. Why do you hate science?
Do you believe the earth is flat too?

>Not in this thread you didn't.
So? I don't owe anything to you and wish you would kill yourself. I have already won.

>No.
Cope
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>On my hard drive.
Post them now, freak.

>>12488964
>Sure is MMS in here
not an argument.
Why is /sci/ worse than /pol/ or /x/?
I wanted to have a discussion with reasonable people here who understand science.

>>12488747
Who the fuck is talking about the FDA? Keep drinking your own piss, bleach, or fish tank cleaner. Or maybe become a breatharian, then maybe you won't shit your intestines out

>>12488972
>You don't even accept established science and got absolutely btfo
Sure, kid. Let's see that debriding.

>No it doesn't. Your rectum does not slough off every time you take a shit.
Correct, your INTESTINAL LINING is what sloughs off and it should not do it EVERY time you take a shit. Let's see those pics.

>Do you have any pubmed studies proving your retarded hypothesis?
Do you? I'll accept pictures of you debriding your colon.

>Why do you hate science?
Why do you hate backing up your stance with demonstrations?

>I don't owe anything to you
I never said you did. I did however say that you are a coward and unwilling to stake your asshole on your claims.

>Post them now, freak.
No. I asked first. Show me the debriding pics.

>>12488923
One characterisation is that it's an overgrowth of pathogenic bacteria. I'd suggest an antibiotic and antifungal reigme (including metronidazole for archaea) and then replacement with evidence based priobiotics, like those used for premature babies. Mutaflor, L. reuti, Infloran etc. or human donor poo transplant.

If it's caused by an autoimmune disorder I'd still do the above but it might be a lot harder for a real cure. My mind turns to methotrexate, seems to be some tentative use for GI automimmune problem but is has it's risks (death).

>>12488980
>Who the fuck is talking about the FDA?
I am because they typically support and guide the mainstream narrative even if it's harmful.

>Keep drinking your own piss, bleach, or fish tank cleaner.
See, there's that religious dogmatism. Anyone who goes against the medical establishment must believe in crystal healing and homeopathy.
No wonder you retards seethe so much when your dogma is challenged.
You were the same retards who were seething 10+ years ago saying probiotics don't have any positive effects on health and especially mental health, yet you got btfo by the science.

>>12488976
Just tell me, what degree mill did he get his doctorate from? I have an extra hundred bucks and I'd love to make a 10,000% profit on bleach

Maybe candida. What exactly have you been eating and how much?

>>12488994
>an entire post with no argument

Man can you not just accept the fact you lost? Several posters have already agreed you have. You have no argument. Are you really going to waste your Sunday seething in my thread?
At least this is actually productive for me as I am getting information. For you this is just primal rage.
You're a loser.

>>12489014
>Man can you not just accept the fact you lost?
I literally cannot lose. That's what a win-win situation means. Post your debriding pics now.

>For you this is just primal rage
Except that I'm not mad at all. Post the pics

See here
https://www.slideshare.net/SantoshNarayankar/antibiotic-associated-diarrhea-clostridium-difficile-infection

In C.Diff they speak of a an exudate of a pseudomembrane. Basically a coating on top of a coating on top of your mucosa. The cure is Metronidazole.

>>12489006
>degrees mattering whatsoever
Yikes, more science denialist dogma.
Actually read the page before you say anything. You might learn something.

>>12489009
>Maybe candida.
I used to think so but I doubt it. I have had stool analysis tests that showed no fungal overgrowth. At least you're contributing something.

>>12488997
>I'd suggest an antibiotic and antifungal reigme (including metronidazole for archaea) and then replacement with evidence based priobiotics, like those used for premature babies.
Very interesting. I KNOW I have some bacterial overgrowth.
I actually FERMENT L. Reuteri AND Mutaflor and it has been a help for some of my symptoms.

>Infloran
I have not heard of this one. Quick rundown?

I think the problem is this dead tissue and biofilm is trapping bacteria and antibiotics and new strains aren't able to be effective.

Thanks for being based.

>>12489035
>Yikes, more science denialist dogma.
It sure is MMS in here.

>>12489021
>I literally cannot lose.
You did bro, it's literally over.
See:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525

>Post your debriding pics now.
No. I'm still right though. I know this is painful for you.

>>12489027
Thanks but I got tested and don't have c diff.

>>12489039
You have no argument.

>>12489040
>You did bro
I literally can't. I'm winning right now. See
>>12488931
and post those debriding pics.

>I know this is painful for you.
Not nearly as painful as debriding your intestines. Let's see those pics

>>12489021
How does it feel that other posters have come into the thread now and posting actual science to back up OPs theories?

>>12488976
Ignore the midwits who want to feel smart by dunking on some of the amateur attempts at understanding the phenomena without making any attempt to understand the phenomena themselves. They are intellectually stunted people.

>>12489052
>Not nearly as painful as debriding your intestines.
How would that be painful? It felt amazing last time?
You STILL don't know what debridement means HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>12489042
>You have no argument.
Sure, kid. The guy with a doctorate from a degree mill and a website where he tries to sell you a "cure" for a made up disease definitely has your best interests at heart. Sure is MMS in here.

>>12489058
>They are intellectually stunted people.
There are too many of these people nowadays.
I thought this was a science board.

>>12489053
They aren't, but it's clear they're having fun pretending. Go ahead and post those debriding pics now.

>How would that be painful? It felt amazing last time?
If that were true then you wouldn't be hesitating. Post those pics and prove me wrong.

>>12489062
>Sure, kid. The guy with a doctorate from a degree mill and a website where he tries to sell you a "cure" for a made up disease definitely has your best interests at heart. Sure is MMS in here.
You have no idea what you're talking about and have a seething hatred for science. Cope harder you can't refute the guy, fedora

>>12489002
I'll be honest, I don't remember if actually specified what enzyme thing you took, that's why I was being antagonistic, it seems weird.
>>12489014 I'll agree with you here, don't know if he's right about debriding but it doesn't matter. Reminds me of robot Rubio kek

>>12489035
>Infloran
Made by an Italian company and used in Australian neonatal hospitals for premature babies:
https://www.health.qld.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0043/975985/nmq-infloran.pdf
https://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/wcm/connect/public+content/sa+health+internet/resources/policies/probiotic+bifidobacterium+bifidim+and+lactobacillus+acidophilus+capsule+-+sa+neonatal+medication+guidelines
https://www.slhd.nsw.gov.au/RPA/neonatal%5Ccontent/pdf/Medications_Neomed/Infloran_NMFv2.0_Full_20190516.pdf

>>12489072
>seething hatred for science
That's adorable. Do you get a cut of the profits or did you spend a bunch of money on this scam and so you need to be right?

>>12489071
>They aren't
What?
See:
>>12488889
>>12488894
>>12488898
>>12488997
>>12489058
>>12489027

>Go ahead and post those debriding pics now.
Nope, you're literally crying and begging for my asshole.

>>12489042
It might not be C.diff though, the condition can be caused by other bacteria. Most causes are not diagnosed.

>>12489085
Yeah, they posted some nice word salad, but it's very obvious they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Debride your anus. Post pics.

>>12489035
I really think metronidazole is the magic ingredient for killing anaerobic bacteria (and archaea) of the gut. For some reasons American's don't seem to use it as much and prefer other much more expensive alternatives under the pretense that metronidazole is absorbed and systematic as well as hitting the GI.

>>12489074
Thanks friend, take a look at the page if you're interested.

>>12489075
Very very interesting. I think I'll buy this and ferment it.

I think you're the same anon I talked to before a few years ago about fermenting l. reuteri?

>>12489082
>Do you get a cut of the profits
From what? He sells absolutely nothing and offers no cures, he just describes the science.
Cope.

>>12489087
>the condition can be caused by other bacteria.
It most likely is. I believe it's a combination of factors but from what I read damage to the intestines can cause things like this.

>>12489092
>word salad
Too bad you don't understand science KEK
What a fucking manbaby.
Post pics of your mom fucking you in the ass.

Great thread. Thanks /sci/.

>>12489074
>don't know if he's right about debriding
He isn't. He thinks human skin is 100% dead cells. He's retarded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratum_corneum

>There has been a long-standing belief in dermatology that the stratum corneum consisted of dead cells (corneocytes), devoid of biological activity and function. The stratum corneum is now understood to be live tissue that performs protective and adaptive physiological functions including mechanical shear, impact resistance, water flux and hydration regulation, microbial proliferation and invasion regulation, initiation of inflammation through cytokine activation and dendritic cell activity, and selective permeability to exclude toxins, irritants, and allergens.[2]

>>12489094
>I really think metronidazole is the magic ingredient for killing anaerobic bacteria (and archaea) of the gut.
Why specifically this drug and not others?
I bet I could get it online somehow.

>>12489095
>From what? He sells absolutely nothing and offers no cures, he just describes the science.
No he doesn't. He has a bunch of links to products that he endorses in every "article".

>Too bad you don't understand science KEK
The irony. You wouldn't get drawn in by hucksters if you understood the science.

What the fuck is going on in this thread. I gave up halfway through, I'm too old for this shit

>>12489107
>No he doesn't. He has a bunch of links to products that he endorses in every "article".
He doesn't lmao.
You have blind fucking rage holy shit seek help.
If anything he mocks certain supplements.

>>12489100
>He thinks human skin is 100% dead cells
I don't, but feel free to misrepresent my position after you post your debriding pics.

>>12489108
Give your brain a good debriding, it'll fix that kek

>>12489111
Are you joking? Click "home" and scroll through all of the advertisements masquerading as articles™

>>12489108
OP getting vindicated :)

>>12489112
>I don't
You're lying YET AGAIN

See:
>>12487487
>>12487512


It's funny how I destroyed these posts in one single post. HAHA
>>12488445

>>12489126
>You're lying YET AGAIN
Sure, kid. Still not seeing any debriding pics. Are you afraid?

>It's funny how I destroyed these posts in one single post. HAHA
It's more funny that you think that's what happened. Let's see those pics.

>>12489116
>Are you joking? Click "home" and scroll through all of the advertisements masquerading as articles™
I did. There is nothing.
All I see is him mocking Richard Grey.
Also talking about NAC and psyllium, two common things you can get at any drug store.

>>12489130
>Sure, kid.
I proved you are lmao
>Are you afraid?
Are you afraid of admitting you lost? Yes.
>It's more funny that you think that's what happened.
If you think otherwise, certain you would be able to specifically show where you think I was in error? This should be great. :)

that's a lot of effort to prove a ketotard that shat his guts out on the internet wrong.

>>12489115
You mean getting rid of dead or dying tissue?
You mean getting rid of senescent cells?
This is another GOOD thing you somehow pretend is bad because you have no idea what you're talking about.
Senescent cells are bad for you.

>OP has some weird shit coming out if his body
>But it's ok because of "science"!!1!!1!
That's what I caught from the thread, I stopped reading midway so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong OP.

>>12489132
And he just endorsed those products out of the kindness his heart, right? He's definitely not taking advantage of your distrust of authority and your lack of medical knowledge at all. That's why he has to tell you that "mucoid plague" is real on the website with the same title, right?

>>12489142
He showed how dumb he was in the end.
>dude your skin is just dead tissue lmao
>dude wound debridement is baaaad, just let that shit get infected lmao
>dude people literally shitting out their actual intestines is a common thing people go to gastroenterologists for lmao

>>12489150
OP(me) is just trying to figure out what this shit is and has posted theories.
At least other anons have posted some evidence supporting my theories.

>>12489105
Kills anaerobic bacteria, kills protozoans, kills archaea, old and well established drug, cheap, best in it's class. It's first line for gastro, gum, and bacterial vaginosis where I live, also for the rarer protozoan GI infections.

>>12489139
>I proved you are lmao
Sure, kid. Where are those pics?

>Are you afraid of admitting you lost?
I can't lose. Every post you make without those pictures is another win and if you ever do post the pictures then I win again. Honestly I'm getting tired of all this winning. Post the pics.

>If you think otherwise, certain you would be able to specifically show where you think I was in error?
I hope english isn't your first language. Post the pics.

>>12489157
>And he just endorsed those products out of the kindness his heart, right?
He didn't "endorse them". He just discussed their effectiveness.
He also talked about apple juice. I guess he's in bed with big apple orchards.

>He's definitely not taking advantage of your distrust of authority and your lack of medical knowledge at all.
How does he gain whatsoever?
Also he posts actual peer reviewed medical studies to support his claims which I have read.
God you're dumb.

>>12489163
I know you're attempting to misrepresent my argument in order to save face, but you still haven't posted those pics.

>>12487293
take a picture of the ingredients label i want to look into this.

>>12489169
>He just discussed their effectiveness.
Lol ok.

>He also talked about apple juice.
Oh shit, dawg. He mentioned a single product that he doesn't get paid for? He must be legit then.

Have you heard of Miracle Mineral Supplement? You would love it.

>>12489164
>Kills anaerobic bacteria, kills protozoans, kills archaea, old and well established drug, cheap, best in it's class. It's first line for gastro, gum, and bacterial vaginosis where I live, also for the rarer protozoan GI infections.
Nice but the problem is getting past biofilm and any necrotic tissue. If the antibiotics can't penetrate this yellow stuff, they're worthless.

>>12489167
>he still can't refute my posts
You're literally crying right now bruh

>>12489157
Don't fall into a midwit trap of "non-standard denotation invalidates the phenomena". If he called it something else, like a pseudo-membrane, or exudate, it wouldn't change very much. I fail to see why denoating it "plaque", while non-standard, is fundamentally wrong for things like this>>12488889

>>12489176
>You're literally crying right now bruh
I'm not, but post those pics anyways.

>>12489181
>Don't fall into a midwit trap of "non-standard denotation invalidates the phenomena"
Don't fall for hucksters.

>>12489170
>I know you're attempting to misrepresent my argument in order to save face
This is LITERALLY your argument and every time I ask you to defend it you keep posting your show pics meme.
Have sex loser.

>>12489174
This happened last year, I don't have it.
>>12489175
>Lol ok.
Yes.
>He mentioned a single product that he doesn't get paid for?
Why in the world would you assume he gets paid to endorse NAC or psyllium when there are like 100s of providers of these common substances available at every corner store?
Why are you arguing in bad faith?

>Have you heard of Miracle Mineral Supplement?
Yes, it seems like you would like it seeing how dogmatic and dumb you are.

>>12489185
>Don't fall for hucksters.
Not an argument. You're in a cult and hate science.
>>12489182
>I'm not
You are.

>>12489176
>Nice but the problem is getting past biofilm and any necrotic tissue. If the antibiotics can't penetrate this yellow stuff, they're worthless.
Well it works systematically as well as locally and is absorbed too, so it will get to it from the otherside as well by the blood. It cures the C.diff biofilm/plaque like these>>12488889>>12488894

I wouldn't understimate its efficacy for nuking the gut of biofilm forming anerobes. I think all gut anerobes live in biofilm, doesn't stop metronidazole killing them and being first line for most anaerobe applications in the GI outside of the US.

>>12489187
>This is LITERALLY your argument and every time I ask you to defend it you keep posting your show pics meme.
I have no need to defend anything. Your unwillingness to perform intestinal debriding tells the whole story. Post the pics to prove me wrong.

>Yes, it seems like you would like it seeing how dogmatic and dumb you are.
Oh, so you already fell for that scam? That would explain why you aren't willing to damage your intestines anymore.

>>12489187
if you bought it online there will be a paper trail itd be worth the effort i can assure you.

>>12489181
>why denoating it "plaque", while non-standard
btw, it's actually called mucoid "cap" in the literature and has been called mucoid plaque in the past.

>[2] See book called "Glycoprotein Methods and Protocols: The Mucins". It was published in year 2000 and written by Anthony Corfield. The ISBN is 0-89603-720-7. You can read it at books.google.com. Go to page 58. It speaks of a protective "mucoid cap" on the surface of damaged mucosa. It says it is "quite different" than the adherent mucus layer "consisting primarily of a fibrin gel and necrotic cells with some mucin".

>>12489191
>Not an argument. You're in a cult and hate science.
That's cute. Isn't it strange that literally everyone who disagrees with you "hates science". That might be an indicator that you're being tricked. Post those debriding pics.

You are.
I'm not, but you should totally post those pics regardless.

>>12489194
Okay interesting I'll consider it.

>>12489197
>I have no need to defend anything.
Except your argument.
You haven't responded to:
>>12488445
>>12488497
>>12488525
I'll tell you what, I'll debride my intestines on livestream if you respond to those posts.
Deal?

>Oh, so you already fell for that scam?
You fell for it and are now warning others against it?
What a dumbass.

>>12489199
Just say it was this one.
https://enzymedica.com/products/digest-gold-enzymes-digestive-enzyme#overview
Also papain.

>>12489206
>Isn't it strange that literally everyone who disagrees with you "hates science".
No, you do because you refuse to actually read and refute arguments and just post ad hominem attacks. That's why you hate science.

>Post those debriding pics.
Sure, as long as you keep our deal.

>>12489201
>fibrin gel and necrotic cells
And you see above>>12489027 using the term "exudation of a pseudomembrane" composed of the same "fibrin" and "necrotic debries". They're clearly describing the same or very similar phenomenon.

>>12489223
god damn, why isn't this phenomenon much more well known?

Do you have discord or an email?

>>12489216
>>12489187
ignoring the enzyme stuff for a second theres already issues with the stuff in that might make a new thread once about it once i get everything sorted

>>12489235
This proves absolutely nothing.

>>12489216
>Except your argument.
Wrong. My argument is reaffirmed every time you refuse to post those pics.

>I'll tell you what, I'll debride my intestines on livestream if you respond to those posts.
>Deal?
Sure. Post the livestream link and as soon as you finish up I'll give you the play by play on how dumb you are.

>You fell for it
Nope

>and are now warning others against it?
Yep. Believe it or not I don't think you should harm yourself to make hucksters richer. I do however believe you should harm yourself to prove me wrong. Post those pics.

>No, you do because you refuse to actually read and refute arguments and just post ad hominem attacks.
Kinda like how you refuse to upload those pics? Does that mean you hate science?