/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12483996
The environmental factors affecting intelligence outweigh the genetic factors.

being a nigger isn't genetic, it's reinforced by the welfare state and ghetto music, akin to a "poverty culture" if you will.

>>12484031
>The environmental factors affecting intelligence outweigh the genetic factors.

>A few hundred years of "Muh racism" outweights 70,000 years of evolutionary divergence under drastically different selective pressures.

>>12483996
You could check out 1 of the 10,000 exact same race and IQ threads in the archive that have already been played out and discussed

>>12483996

why is intelligence considered a good thing when it just produces sperglord kids like this?

>>12483996
The best thing "race realists" can point to is the bell curve and that book has been thuroughly discredited. Race isn't even a useful concept for biologists. It's pseudoscience for brainlets who want to feel like they're justified in disliking black people, that's it. Nobody im academia takes this shit seriously.

>>12484055

>No cries of "B-but racist!"

>>12483996
>Can we have a legitimate discussion on race and intelligence?
There's no such thing as it brings nothing fruitful to humanity. As a result, people like you just use it to get away with racism as long as it's scientific.

>>12484055
>retard calling people brainlets
classic /soi/

>>12484055
It's not that no one takes it seriously. Everyone knows, but they also know you just can't mention it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-dna-pioneer-s-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-westerners-394898.html

>>12484060
>There's no such thing as it brings nothing fruitful to humanity.

But it could if we collectively decide to stop being a bunch of politically correct bundles of sticks

>>12484065
Anon, it's like having a "scientific study" to see which one of your siblings are genetically better. That doesn't benefit family at all. It just makes Thanksgiving painful for the next 25 years. It's just not worth the arguments.

>>12484036
Selective pressures you, and your retarded evolutionary psychologists friends cannot possibly hope to formalize. It's all muh feels and muh winters. It's very funny to me that most people here (for good reason) shit on soft sciences like sociology and psychology, only to turn around and defend one of the least supported and most epistemologically bereft fields of "science" that there is. Because it allows you to feel like a big man because at least you're the master race, even though you're a total human failure.
>>12484065
Oh? Pray tell. I'm sure your propositions are going to be highly ethical.

There truly may be some type of "intelligence" differences on average, but charlatans like Murray, Harris, and Pinker use it for cynical political purposes. I don't really think that there's any ethical outcome to further studying it in this climate, because all you people want to do is kill brown people (because you hate yourselves). Until that's not the case, the discussion is inherently political of the most dangerous and disgusting kind.

There's a reason you are hated by even your own """race""".

>>12484031
>>12484055

Wrong, mongoloids. Trust the experts, the science is settled

>>12484073
Getting people to understand that group X is less intelligent and more prone to violence is absolutel worth it.
>>12484100
>It's all those facts that I don't like so it's clearly just pseudoscience.

Harsher winters absolutely made a difference when compared to a tropical climate such as sub-Saharan Africa. Winter means those with impulse control had a MUCH higher chance of survival where as in a tropical environment it's literally just eat it as you find it

>>12484107
Nice citations, faggot.

>>12484116
https://personal.lse.ac.uk/Kanazawa/pdfs/PAID2012.pdf

>>12484107
>Harsher winters absolutely made a difference when compared to a tropical climate such as sub-Saharan Africa. Winter means those with impulse control had a MUCH higher chance of survival where as in a tropical environment it's literally just eat it as you find it

Look now at how they will ask you undeniable evidence and request and unreasonably high standard of proof for that statement while at the same time accepting egalitarian bullshit even if there is no single study that proves that, making the right corrections, all races have the same average IQ.

>>12484122
Of course they will. How else would they possibly earn their good goy shekels?

>>12484116
>>12484122
I just really don't understand the absolute ignorance it takes to NOT understand that different environments mean different pressures.

>>12484146
Different pressures that you haven't mechanistically substantiated with anything but conjecture and a pathetic 3 page paper (whose attempt at quantifying is uhhhhhhhhhh well temp and IQ is correlated except all the times that it's not) that is highly controversial within the field it was submitted. Nobody is doubting that there are and were different pressures on different groups of humans in history. They're doubting your retarded evo-psych fairy tale, created from NO DATA, as proof to justify your racial hatred.

How did you both end up such pathetic weasels?

I don't know if humans are "egalitarian", I tend towards probably not. But they all have potential, and they all have inherent value under basically any ethical system worth considering. And as another poster said, there's no point to studying this is just so you can get revenge on Tyrone for fucking Stacy in high school.

>>12484164
It's only controversial in that you can't mention it at all without getting blackballed.

>No data

>Even hint that a gap exists, get shitlisted

>>12484172
It's politicized because fucks like you want to carry out your video game fantasies of killing billions of people. It would be a lot less controversial if it WAS just data and science, but your boy Murray's book was a fucking tome of libertarian political bullshit. We all know what the end goal is, and what you want. And I'm unapologetically fine with being unscientific in this regard to stop the evil you want to enact. Maybe in the future we can return to the topic, and how to remedy it.

>>12484198
>to stop the evil you want to enact

>I'm fine with mulatto trannies twerking on the burning rubble of what was once our civilization

Germany lost, and here we are. Ever consider the wrong side won?

>>12484213
It is clear that you will take this sickness with you through life, and when you die with no family, no friends, nobody to love or be loved by, I hope that you understand you did it to yourself. I truly do pity you.

>>12484213
they just called you out on being a nazi and you literally just confirmed it in your effort to be an edgelord. lol gtfo

>>12484237
>>12484238
>at least I'm not racist
At least I'm not wrong.

>>12484237
>>12484238

>>12484237
>>12484238
When this comes to your town, I want you to remember this conversation specifically

>>12484289
Kek

>>12484164
Still waiting for the paper that proves that all races have the same IQ after the right corrections have been made, faggot.
I can find hundreds that prove my theory, can you find one that does the same for yours?

>>12484314
>proves that all races have the same IQ after the right corrections have been made

More than that, the wealthier more affluent blacks only perform about as well as the bottom of the barrel whites

There probably is a difference but so what? If you believe IQ is meaningful, why not look at it alone instead of race? At which point there is a problem in that it is only low IQ spastics like >>12484289 that keep shitting up the board with these threads. An 90 IQ bluecollar /pol/tard is far more a nigger to a /sci/ poster actually in academia than a nigger is a nigger to them since the gap there is only like 5 IQ

>>12483996
>Can we have a legitimate discussion on race and intelligence?
No

Seriously, JUST NO.
Just take a look at how divided people are. People will argue about fucking anything and you want to discuss this? Look at this thread.
>It is physically not possible for us to have this conversation.
THIS is the reason why we can't research this also. Any attempt to research this is polluted by our own biases. Any attempt is futile and failed before it begins.
When you go into science with a preconceived idea and try to search for evidence of it's truth wile ignoring all other evidence, this is called pseudoscience. Racists refuse to acknowledge this because they desperately NEED to be racist. Why do they need to be racist? Because the racist mentality is one of a bully. They're a bully that attacks minorities, and they're afraid of becoming a minority that gets bullied themselves. Whether this will actually happen or not doesn't matter because it's how the warped and twisted mind of the racists sees the world. In the mind of the racist EVERYONE trying to bully each other and only the strong succeed. Racism is a a delusional zero-sum game of creating imaginary lines in the sand of society and making sure there are more people on your side of the line who can attack the people on the other side of the line in the sand. It's no wonder racists are such violent people. It's the greatest mental illness of our society that everybody refuses to acknowledge.

>>12484314
reign?
reign what?

even if it's true that races have differing IQs, why the fuck do you care? how does it affect your livelihood? you clearly want to prove it for some reason, you clearly hate them for some reason.

like what the fuck would you even do if you somehow proved this and made a majority believe it? you want to incite genocide or some kind of caste system or some other dystopian shit.

>>12484238
actual nazi here AMA

>>12484433
>For some reason

>I have no idea what anyone would have to gain by understanding the inferiority of a violent race.

You understand that a lion is genetically predisposed to fucking you up, so you avoid them. Imagine someone trying to teach kids "If you're nice to lions, they will completely lose their desire to attack you altogether"

Sure they'll become somewhat tame, but that instinct is always there

>>12484444
>Segregated

>Dystopian

>>12484444
>>12484453

>>12484453
Meanwhile, in segregated society, black people tried to peacefully create a little slice of heaven on earth for themselves, only to have it literally burned to the ground and every person massacred by angry white people.

The lesson learned? The success of white people is in thanks LARGELY because black people who are civilized enough to not chimp out and go on murder sprees burning down entire towns of white people that are successful.

>>12484466
>black people tried to peacefully create a little slice of heaven on earth for themselves

Fuck no they didn't. They were unappreciative as fuck. Rosa Parks should've been dragged off the bus and beaten. Then reminded that if the worst she has to worry about is an extra 5 steps to the back of the bus, that she's doing better than ALL of her African brethren. "Separate but equal" was great, particularly since we were never equal. Lumping black and white students together only serves to stifle the whites as inordinate amounts of time and resources have to be dumped into LaDarius and Shaniqua who will never learn it anyway. At least when they were separate, they were all learning at the same rate, regardless of what that rate was.

>>12484107
>Getting people to understand that group X is less intelligent and more prone to violence is absolutel worth it.
No it isn't. It's just an excuse to divide people and find reasons to hate them in reality. What does any of this solve? Especially when there are ways to help people in a much more proficient manner.

>>12484497
But there is no helping them because they don't want to be helped. They just want infinite fucking handouts and to sit around and pop out checks every nine months. It's learned helplessness that they're owed anything. They're not, but it's beaten into their heads that they are and white people's heads that we're evil and should resolve to make this atrocity right.

>>12484479
>They were unappreciative they weren't dragged off the bus and beaten.

Do you give thanks and appreciate every day you aren't beaten? Who do you give thanks to? Seriously, I don't think you do.
And that's perfectly normal. This is something nobody should have to be grateful for. NOT BEING BEATEN EVERY DAY IS SOMETHING ALL HUMANS SHOULD JUST EXPECT. If you can't agree with this, then maybe you're just too violent to live in modern day society.

>>12484508
No, they were unappreciative that they live in a modern society in the first place. They were rounded up from their mud huts sharpening their sticks and dragged to the first world clicking and screaming

>>12484513
>dragged to the first world clicking and screaming
>and in chains, on plague infested ships

>>12484519
>in chains, on plague infested ships

>trips that lasted a month vs living the rest of your...two months, starving to death or dying of malaria

>>12484433
OP just wants and excuse to dehumanize other races just like how /pol/tards on /his/ are just "curious" about the claims of the Holocaust. I wonder why OP has become this. Perhaps its projection from his own family letting him know that he's inferior to his brother biologically.

>>12484526
>I wonder why OP has become this

>>12484358
Because that difference is assumed to be due to systemic racism. People are driven to race realism defensively when white people are blamed for holding others back.

>>12484433
Critical theory and systemic racism are hot topics in the mainstream.

>>12484522
You don't need to feel especially appreciative for something that wasn't intentionally given to you. It's not like we dragged them over to experience our advanced medicine and agricultural techniques.

They should probably feel grateful for the benefits of first world society, but not grateful to us. Probably grateful in the same abstract way you can feel grateful that beauty exists in the world, and not in the way you feel grateful when a friend does you a favor.

>>12484540
You're getting pretty semantic. The fact is that they have no understanding of what they would be experiencing if not for YPIPO right now.

And you can't say they shouldn't be appreciative to modern YPIPO when at the same time they think modern YPIPO owe them a subsidized existence basically

Makes you think

>>12484381
Hahahahaa. Let me guess you live in a peaceful neighbourhood.

>>12483996
The literature says intelligence is almost always within a standard deviation of your parents no matter what happens all factors aside. Ergo it applies to race. That's it, no need to invoke spirits and wimby wamby invisible institutions.

Does this justify eugenics or other nasty things? Of course not.

>>12484528
>OP in the OP:I just want a normal discussion guise. I don't see what's wrong with that
>OP 50 comments later:WE NEED TO KICK ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE OUT OF THE COUNTRY!!
And this is why no one sees the point in this discussion. It's irrelevant and only done to excuse hating another group

>>12484526
You just want to destroy white nations. Why are you like this? Because you are human livestock and that is the most pathetic thing you could be.

>>12484624
America was never white

>>12484583
It totally can be used to justify eugenics. Eugenics is not necessarily nasty. Many different ways to do it, lowering amount of undesirable is one way, the one most often referred to as "nasty", rising amount of desirable is another way. Potentially there would also be ways to select or even edit the genes of the embryos https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/embryo-screening-and-the-ethics-of-human-60561/

>>12484526
stay off /his/ soi cuck

This thread is distressing as it shows that people will rebuke truth in favor of comfort. Yes, it is likely that any validation of IQ would further a racists' "agenda", however if IQ is a close estimation to the truth then the truth matters more than your feelings.

The issue with being a sperg is that I favor objectivity far more than any social well being, meaning that if the conclusion is to be silent of the universal, the masses will adhere, and the truth seekers shunned. That is not to say a racist is a believer in truth, but merely that spergs like me will be likened to them. This thread is a cancer, largely filled with people below 3SD the mean. I don't know why I come here anymore.

>>12484964
Poor larp pic
>>12485002
This is the wrkng way of thinking about it through. You don't try and see which of you is the genetically smartest, strongest and overall best. It doesn't benefit anyone and results in losing friends. Finding out "the truth" in this case is unneeded and shouldn't be a topic at all

>>12485072
>Finding out "the truth" in this case is unneeded and shouldn't be a topic at all

>That whole facts and evidence stuff has no place in science.

>>12485072
>losing friends
>caring about social adherence
This is why I don't get along with you types. We're just different entirely.

>>12483996
yes.

Chinese: 104
Vietnamese: 102
Europeans: 94
Indians: 89
Latinos: 89
Africans: 70

IQ is pretty unimportant within Eurasia, maybe African IQs are so low that they've actually had a major effect on history. >>12485361

>>12484053
That's not true intellect, it's just autism.

>>12485002
Instead of obsessing over these differences and attacking people, we should figure out a way to close the gap by providing stronger nutrition and encouraging heavy stimulation of the brain.

>>12484121
>lynn

there is growing evidence that human level intelligence may be a lethal mutation in the long run. the very thing that would allow us to escape to the stars is also the great filter: industrial self destruction.

>>12484053
that >sperglord kid
went on to become albert eistein, you don't know.

>>12485099
>>That whole facts and evidence stuff has no place in science.
Not when facts and evidence are ultimately unimportant and are only good for starting unproductive race wars. The real question you are not asking is "why waste time and resources into this subject at all?"
>>12485127
>This is why I don't get along with you types. We're just different entirely.
No we don't get along because you're trying to turn genetics into a competition of superiority in the name of "science". I dare you to do this with your own family/children

>>12483996
The answer to your question is no.

>>12483996
If we ignore the part where intelligence isn't equally distributed among modern populations is any of human+brain evolutionary history scientifically contentious?
We're pretty sure we know where and when the major branches into different strains are, how much gene exchange with archaic hominids happened?

We all know there's no biological basis for race but what are the actual genomic differences between the races? There should be plenty of data on that by now but I can't find it anywhere.

>>12486589
Do you think it would be a worthwhile endeavor to dump billions of dollars into trying to teach dogs as if they're humans?

>>12486589
>I am a sperg, and truth is above all else. I already explained that you want to lump me in with "racists" to dismiss me in a dim fashion, as though somehow as soon as one is dictated a "racist", their opinions are invalidated. The reality is that you are upset that there are some people who are superior, and some people who are inferior. This inferiority and superiority is a makeup of a collection of inferiorities and superiorities. That collection is a further collection of measures that give specific attributes one way, or another. The point is that I am inquisitive to all things that align with 'universal' truth, meaning that they follow the Universe itself. Like I already pointed out, you will unintelligently assign me as a -declarative- bad guy, as it makes a zealots work much easier if he can scapegoat and propagandize his perceived ideological enemies.

We do not get along because you do not care about the Universal truth, you only care about being comfortable, and you would even lie or hurt others to ensure a status quo (declination). It's why I began to post on 4chan a decade and a half ago, to get away from averages like you. But seemingly these averages keep invading spaces, ensuring that outright lies and benign bread and circus reign - meaning it is likely that 4chan itself has fallen lower in its original mean IQ. The solution then, is to migrate away from individuals like you, again, to make sure that I can talk about topics without being morally subjugated to the "feelings" of those you feed your savior complex from. Until that day comes however, you can continue being asshurt that someone who is honest would entertain the notions of serious racists, specifically as he likes to try and find what is true.

You really do disgust me.

>>12483996
No you racist nigga

>>12484164
>all have inherent value under basically any ethical system worth considering.
Why?

>>12486620
You're a pretentious, low-IQ wanker, champ. Dunning-Kruger keystroker.

>>12486237
>lethal mutation in the long run
I get what you're saying, but that is an oxymoron, traits can only be selected for in the short term.

>>12486730
I am 143IQ based on the WAISIV. You are an asshurt feelings kind of brain dead average that has to go through life caring about what people think, due to an inability in functioning independently. Like I said, averages matter not.

>>12484100
>Because it allows you to feel like a big man because at least you're the master race, even though you're a total human failure.
If the universe is deterministic that means he was meant to be a failure, just like how niggers were meant to be sub-human in the first place.

>>12486730
>paragraphs are scary
He's completely right you know? Calling him a dunning kruger is just cope.

>>12486620
>to get away from averages like you.
Lmao, 4chan was never that place

So people just want to be dicks and make the world conform to their beliefs?

>>12487043
based

>>12487094
Yes it was. This website was noticeably more intelligent a decade and a half ago. You could even notice the same in 2010 to now. 4chan has become invasively clustered with the mediocre average that the rest of the internet is filled with.

>>12487155
More intelligent? Sure. High IQ? Never. Remember that this is the same site that made rage comics, trolled republicans and started Chanology.

>>12487155
If you're not deriving any enjoyment out of it any longer, then leave! Your research's still there; it's not as if this's been a community where people shared their personal research or anything.
It's always been a niche thing where you could kill some stress off before going back to work. But now, that niche is done with. You need to return back to your work and try for insightful findings instead of complaining about the state of this website, which indeed does reflect the decline in intelligence as a result of inferior races flooding Europe.

>>12487170
I would say that white college liberals and libertarian/tea party conservatives had higher average IQs than to what we see now. Even if the average was only 3-5 points higher than now, it has made such a significant impact on the posting quality that this site feels almost like any other site. The only thing that keeps me from leaving permanently is the unrestricted speech. You need to remember that it was largely the lower middle class and above that had access to the internet in the early 2000's. In the 2010's Youtube was just becoming its own thing, gaming channels weren't even allowed to monetize if I recall. Even now people in ghettos don't really own a ton of awesome hardware. They largely game on console. I am obviously not saying everyone on 4chan back then had 120IQ+. But the drop that occurred is clearly noticeable.

>>12487189
>Until that day comes however
I plan on it. But not before I create my own infrastructure and fill it with people who I can talk to honestly and open by. This place needs to be replicated but gatekept. If that means populating an 8ch variation (ik kun exists), then so be it. But "until that day comes" I will make asshurt posts about dumb people and you can't stop me.

>>12487170
I would say that white college liberals and libertarian/tea party conservatives had higher average IQs than to what we see now. Even if the average was only 3-5 points higher, it has made such a significant impact on the posting quality that this site feels almost like any other. The only thing that keeps me from leaving permanently is the unrestricted speech. You need to remember that it was largely the lower middle class and above that had access to the internet in the early 2000's. In the 2010's Youtube was just becoming its own thing, gaming channels weren't allowed to monetize if I recall. Even now people in ghettos don't really own a ton of awesome hardware. They largely game on console. I am obviously not saying everyone on 4chan back then had 120IQ+. But the drop that occurred is clearly noticeable.

>>12487218
Posting quality decreased dramatically partially because of all the facebookfags and children which yeah, would impact the cognitive nature of discussions but the main problem are all the malicious shills, bots, mods, and redditors who invade this place.

>>12487213
you are so embarrassing it hurts

>>12487189
The decline in intelligence is because smarter women are not having kids because they want to work, the same decline is mirrored in Asian countries like Japan and South Korea, despite having a negligible immigration rates.

>>12484104
Racist science isn't science.

>>12487290
Yes it is, you said it yourself
>Racist science

>>12487300
So pseudo-science is science?

>>12487271
You are embarrassing. It hurts me.

>>12483996
Nigger

>>12487310
>pseudo-science

Not an argument.

>>12487354
It is one faggot. You implied that racial science is science then with your logic pseudo science can also be considered science since it has science in it and may or may not use the scientific process.

In the 21st century being racist and homophobic is the mark of a true intellectual.

>>12487310
hahahaha fucking wetard hahahahahahahhah
the prefix "pseudo" before the word science deliberately differentiates it from actual science.
hahahahah inb4 ESL says
>"racist" is a prefix durrr durrr

>>12483996
First time going on /sci/. Holy Fuck, they weren't lying when they said this board is full of Reddit niggers.

>>12487381
>t. 85 IQ nigger

You can't dismiss all the findings of IQ and race research because you don't like them lmao.
Btw still waiting for you to post a paper that proves that all races end up having the same IQ if you make the right corrections.

>>12484453
Rest of the post is true enough but the /pol/cel can't help sucking capitalist dick

>>12487993
>/pol/cel *gets food from fridge* can't *plops down in recliner* help *uses pocket sized super computer to change the temperature in the house* sucking *gets up and gets in car* capitalist *drives to store to replace aforementioned food* dick

>>12488324
Excellent work, goylem #5763152! Supreme Overlord Bezos is very proud of you!

>>12488335
That projection though...

>>12487507
who is "they"?

>>12488357
The intelligent boards

>>12488362
which are?

>>12488365
/his/ /lit/ and /pol/

>>12488385
>/his/
>/pol/
fuck no.

>>12488410
Lol, yes

They're not full of filthy jogger loving cucks

>>12488428
as opposed to commie/nazi cucks?

>>12488442
That's not how it works

>>12488500
Cope

>>12488507
Seethe

>>12488516
Dilate

>>12488522
You will never be a real woman

>>12483996
Why is race determined by your least desirable traits?

What is 'white'? Are Caucasians White? Are Middle Easterners white? Are Europeans white? Going how far back? Are Gypsy's white? They've lived in Europe for over 1000 years. How far back does one need to go for them to be 'white'? Human migrations into Europe have existed for tens of thousands of years, what exact migration led to them being 'white' and why are further migrations not counted?

Why is there more genetic diversity among African tribes than in all humans out of Africa yet we consider all Africans one 'race' while multiple 'races' exist outside Africa?

Why is there more genetic diversity in a single pack of wolves than in all humanity?

How do you separate people into 'races'? If a person is 3/5 white and 2/5 black is he put into your black category or white category? What if his test scores are high? What if his test scores are low?

The whole race and IQ thing is total idiocy only believed by easily manipulated morons.

>Every continent more or less equal in development for past 20,000+ years
>Past 300 years or so, some populations explodes in technological development
>This is evidence that Europeans are inherently genetically superior to every other race ( they are superior to Asians because some nebulous claims of a creativity gene, despite all the hundreds of years where europeans were developmentally behind asians)

If Europeans were so superior, can you explain all that time where Europeans were behind China in literally every metric of development? Or why there was a point where they were the equals of Africa/Americans at all?

>>12488704
>>Every continent more or less equal in development for past 20,000+ years

Lol, no

>>12488715
Yes please tell us of the marvels of engineering older than 1000 years that have taken place in the locations that modern countries currently reside in, in literally every continent except africa.

>>12484381
gr8 b8 m8

>>12488739
Animal domestication.

>>12484381
This is the only post in this thread that I like.
Posts like >>12484062 make me worry that there is genetic basis to race.
I just want everybody to get along :(

>>12489122
You're like a woman. You'd rather lie than tell the truth. Eat poop.

>>12487876
>hurr-durr Harvard isn't credible because they're biased towards the left.

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/

>>12489122
>I just want everybody to get along :(
Imagine for a moment that genetics account for the majority of the racial IQ gap. What happens if we decide to hide that fact ?
Do the less intelligent races get better lives ? Do they manage to stay in school, get degrees, avoid criminal careers, because we told them they are just as smart as the rest ?
No. They still fail.
The only difference is that they don't understand why, and just blame and resent whites, the police, the school system and the expectations you placed on them. Confused and angry, they sometimes lash out, but more often just give up, and through negligence and selfishness, destroy themselves, their fellows, and their neighbourhoods, which further increase distrust.

>>12488913
Only happened a handful of times, not even remotely the achievement of Europeans as a whole.

>>12489212
>Do the less intelligent races get better lives ?
Yes they do. We know what happens when you treat different races as unilaterally intellectually inferior; we all know how american segregation turned out.

>>12489234
>you treat different races as unilaterally intellectually inferior; american segregation
You're making assumption. Acknowledging racial differences does not imply going back to past systems.

>>12489251
>Acknowledging racial differences does not imply going back to past systems.
>t-this time it will be different!
lol no one is falling for it, that's why racists don't get any respect or attention

>>12489225
>Only happened a handful of times, not even remotely the achievement of any population as a whole.
All significant human achievements are like that. Was that your point ? As long as at least one european didn't participate in something, it can't be considered an European thing ?

Pic related for example isn't European?

>>12489267
>racists don't get attention
Lol liberals are absolutely obsessed with racists. They look for racists everywhere and if they can't find any they call each other racists.

>>12489288
> it can't be considered an European thing ?
You're conflating the achievements of some people, to the achievements of people who didn't even know the other existed.
It's just as retarded as attributing the achievements of Egypt to sub saharan africans because they are on the same continent. Literal wewuzzery.
>>12489299
>racism is a partisan issue
lol

>>12489348
>the achievements of people who didn't even know the other existed.
What the fuck are you talking about ? All peoples of Europe and the Mediterranean shores were aware of each other. They traded for millennia.
Domesticated animals was something they all shared.

>>12489404
If that's your criteria for sharing acheivement I guess africans are european now lol

>>12489477
still hasn't been a major civ with sub saharan blacks having major elite/support roles, even smart blacks have personality problems like psychopathy and being too arrogant at much higher rates

>>12488671
>What is 'white'?

depigmented people retard, fair features correlate with behavior and intelligence as they do in other mammals.

>>12489477
That was your criteria, stupid.

>>12488671
>what is metal
>is hydrogen metal
>why is more types of metals than non metals
>what if 3/5 iron 2/5 oxygen are mix
>what if metal reactivity is low
>chemistry btfo

>>12483996
the vrilia are said to have gained their superior intelligence, musculature and culture from the process of refinement known as natural selection. Having been driven deep underground where no sun ever shines, deprived of the source of all life and beset by monsters of the deep, only the most worthy were selected for.
Upon mastery of vril their destructive capabilities had reached an apex in which anyone among them was equally capable of instantaneously killing the other, decimating large structures by the mere flick of a wrist or wave of the hand.
Following this technological singularity, nature selected only for the survival of those possessing the fairest of temperament and peaceful of predilections

Arab here.

I think its very likely that we are smarter than our far southern friends because they simply have lived in a better environment with abundant resources and stable seasons.

>>12489661
Do Arabs typically share the belief that their race is superior to their neighbors?
t. Amerimutt

>>12489667
Yes to be very honest. Slavery was also probably not good for them intelligence-wise.

>>12489529
>major civ
ethiopia.

>>12489683
I had a close Arab friend in highschool and spent many afternoons and evenings visiting him at his family home. They were much better cultured than my family and they possessed superior faith and dignity in every respect, but despite that I knew from our many interactions that their intelligence does not come from the selection pressure of the hunt, as my Aryan intelligence does. As such, they were less mechanically inclined, and suffered a poverty of insight from intuition. Having said this, I sensed that though their raw intuitive powers were inferior to that of my kin, they possessed enviable intellectual traits which my kin did not. Among whites, it is not uncommon for superior intellectuals to live like dogs. We are a feral race but our uncivilized temperament is accompanied by robust intelligence.

live debate with sean last on race realism
https://youtu.be/A6Vy1fysI5s

>>12489772
bump. get in here guys

>>12489751
using terms like aryan are kinda cringe and very unspecific.

>>12489661
Central africa is a HORRIBLE place to live, cant domestica animals - tse tse fly prevents this alongisde a fuckton of other diseases, you can only pretty much eke an existence out there but nothing more. For contrast north africa has obviously done very well

>>12489813
Africa is the most resource abundant area on earth with the biggest biosphere. Africans, if they got their shit together, could put everywhere else to shame with crop production.

>>12489791
Language is a tricky business and choice of words goes a long way. You may think that Aryan is an unspecific term but it is not. It refers to a very identifiable bloodline. The abuse of language causes confusion. The meanings of words change based on their uses, the interpreted meaning being the connotative one. We have obviously been reading different literature.

>>12489822
retard

>>12483996
>No dropping the N-bomb
Ahem, I have an announcement:
I'm dropping the nigger-bomb.

>>12489827
>retard
Stop drinking lead sweetened, blue flavored american juice. It's the truth. It's part of the reason why China is so interested on developing the area.

>>12483996
/pol/ please go

This is just a coordinated psychological operation that will bait reasonable people. We've done this over and over again, and the conclusions are that we don't even know how to measure intelligence in the first place

>>12489838
>we don't know how to measure intelligence.
I am sure a 6+ year career dish washer is just as smart as the average nobel prize winner.

>>12484031
>The environmental factors affecting intelligence outweigh the genetic factors.
Citation needed

>>12484564
What the fuck is wrong with Central Americans?

>>12483996
Is this just in the states? Trust me, there are plenty of smart people in Africa. Likewise there are plenty of retards in east Asia. The US is biased and skewed by different racial circumstances...

>>12484564
The glorious empire of Nippon does it again

>>12484564
whats with that black hole in central america??

>>12489845
IQ tests were originally created to screen mentally retarded children. It's so cringe to see popular science spread IQ tests as a way to measure intelligence when it was created to measure mental retardation.

>>12489869
> It's so cringe to see popular science spread IQ tests as a way to measure intelligence when it was created to measure mental retardation.
>Africans do worse on culture free tests to measure retardation.
>implying africans are retarded on average
seems kinda rude and racist

>>12484564
Compare this map to the slave trade and witness the result of exporting Africa outside of Africa.

>>12489813
>Central africa is a HORRIBLE place to live
Chimps do okay there. They'd die in the desert or snow though.

>>12484564
IQ is invalid because it places Himalayan people on the same level as sub-saharans and that's obviously not true.

>>12486620
>We do not get along because you do not care about the Universal truth,
This isn't true. I just care about humanity in this search for truth
>you only care about being comfortable, and you would even lie or hurt others to ensure a status quo (declination).
That isn't the case at all. I just know that somethings are better off unknown to the public. A good example of this is nuclear weapons. Do you think it's a good idea for everyone to know how to make nukes in less than 100,000 dollars? Do you think we should tell North Korea how to build nukes in order to "have truth" in the world? It's simply better to not bother looking around to scientifically prove who is the best race as it doesn't fix society at all and only serves to cause a pointless race war
>It's why I began to post on 4chan a decade and a half ago, to get away from averages like you.
So you're just going to put half of society in a box because they don't want to spend science resources arguing over racial superiority?
>But seemingly these averages keep invading spaces, ensuring that outright lies and benign bread and circus reign - meaning it is likely that 4chan itself has fallen lower in its original mean IQ. The solution then, is to migrate away from individuals like you, again, to make sure that I can talk about topics without being morally subjugated to the "feelings" of those you feed your savior complex from.
No. It's just that most people don't see why we need to have this discussion in the first place or how it's going to benefit anyone despite the high risk of having it.
>Until that day comes however, you can continue being asshurt that someone who is honest would entertain the notions of serious racists, specifically as he likes to try and find what is true.
No a serious person wouldn't have a conversation about race IQ and would instead be looking for ways to colonize the moon or something productive.
>You really do disgust me.
Because I hate race wars and nuclear holocausts?

>>12490182
>feelingz the post

>>12489661
Arabs are really not that smart at all compare to other Asian demographics.

>>12489822
>could put everywhere else to shame with crop production.
Protectionism is so rampant that no amount of crop production for export outside the continent would make a much money as it should. Internal continental trade would be high but the market off growing indigenous crops for regional/national consumption just doesn't make the same money the big sellers do. Then there's the GMO bans, Europe's retarded polices on gene editing and other BS in the agricultural market.

>>12490191
>Missing the point
What I am trying to say is that no matter what the answer is, it doesn't serve to benefit anyone.
If blacks are proven to smarter, nothing beneficial happens. Just a race war.
If whites are proven to smarter, nothing beneficial happens. Just a race war.
If arabs are proven to smarter, nothing beneficial happens. Just a race war.
If Jews are proven to smarter, nothing beneficial happens. Just a race war.
What are you trying to gain from this anon? Like I said before, you would make a retarded parent if you behaved like this with your children. Would you as a parent do experiments to see which child of yours is genetically superior to the others? Would you tell them which one is your favorite for your "universal truth autism"? Why do you feel a burning need to have humans compete with each other in the name of "science"?

Reading this thread has convinced me that all hope is lost. Humans will destroy each other within 10 years

>>12490280
How about not a race war but go back to segregation?

Education works better when everyone is learning at the same pace

>>12490312
I hope it doesn't take that long

>>12490280
I am not the original anon. But you make a bunch of hyperbolic fabrications on what would happen as though somehow enjoying the act of conversing means worldwide genocide.. That line of thinking can only be born out of a naive savior complex..As though you are in a movie. It is childlike, or worse, indoctrination.

>>12490325
>How about not a race war but go back to segregation?
Why would you need to prove different races have different IQs to bring back segregation
Also
>I don't want a race war, I just want to go back to segregation (which would require a race war)

>>12490361
It would make it easier for people to understand why we're doing it

>Which would require a race war

Not really, just get them to understand how it would benefit everyone.

>>12490325
What a stupid post. Wignats off my board.
>>12490280
Youre a sensationalist retard too. Off my board

>>12490388
>It's stupid to make sense

Shill, go

>>12490066
why is that?

>>12490312
Sounds based to me. Let's be honest: niggers have never contributed anything worthwhile to civilization, partly because wiggers got there first, partly because niggers just happen to be dumber. Tough luck, you don't judge a chimp for not being able to read.
However, the state of the wigger is perhaps worse. Is there anything more pathetic, more sad, than the 110 IQ wigger, pale skin, soft, feminine face, more likely than not skinnyfat (far from those beautiful greek statues that they spam so much I must say!), and that has contributed nothing, absolutely nothing to his oh-so-important-to-him western civilization?
He comes to /pol/, and whatever board he feels like taking a swastika-shaped dumb on today, and gets his daily dopamine hit from whining about IQ again, or, whining about interracial couples (quite a frequent one), or, whining about jews. Those pesky joos! Oh, how have they ruined our beautiful civilization and culture! One must wonder if this civilization, this culture, was ever actually so great, so transcendentally beautiful, that all it took was this inferior race of big nosed merchants to subvert it and destroy it! Why, they have tricked us, took us for fools, us! the superior race, that which is the most easily deceived, that which is only humiliated more and more every day...
I must say, nothing bring me more joy that the thought of niggers dancing all over the rumbles of the oh-so-great western civilization, perhaps only the complete extermination of this parasitic, eternally self-aggrandizing, pathetic excuse of a species.

>>12484381

ralph pls

>>12490280
Wow, it's premature to make such judgements, we need more time.

>>12490182
Even before IQ research was done, black people where still stereotyped to be less intelligent. suppressing the research wont change this.

>>12489869
>IQ tests were originally created to screen mentally retarded children
yes, however they are still are useful at determining IQ and the average and higher ranges as well.

>>12490280
>Just a race war.
why can't you just acknowledge the differences in races, and then not start a race war? Even if you actually prove it or not, different races either are (definitely) or are not smarter than each other, and the effects of these differences are present, even before you prove anything, which being differences in socioeconomic status, economic productivity, education, crime rates ect. If we where to be able to explain these differences due to genetic differences in intelligence, we would just acknowledge this and move on.

As of now, at large people believe that the race differences in the statistics that I have listed above are to do with oppression or whatever and because of that, we have to endure BLM riots, diversity quotas, shitty welfare programs that make no progress ect, which only have vitality under the false assumption that race differences are to do with oppression or whatever, rather than genetics. If you can just accept that it is to do with genetics, we can just cut the bullshit.

>>12489165
That's not what I asked you drooling mongoloid. I said a paper on IQ and race not one about wheter race is taxonomically relevant. Kys.

>>12490563
But people will now use the research/beliefs whether accurate or not to enact and justify polices which ends up creating situation that perpetuates problems in a catch-22.

>>12490280
>If jews are believed not to be smarter, that means their social success is unearned and ought to be taken away. Race war.
>If whites are believed not to be smarter, that means their social success is unearned and ought to be taken away. Race war.
>If blacks are believed not to be dumber, that means their social failures are due to injustice which ought to be destroyed. Race war.
>If arabs are believed not to be dumber, that means their social failures are due to injustice which ought to be destroyed. Race war.

>>12489863
lots of blacks

>>12483996

So you claim that there are differences in intelligence between different races. Well nothing you've shown shows that they are significant enough to matter. Weird how you identify something as arbitrary as "race" as a sufficient way of grouping humans. I'm assuming this is the case because part of your argument is that intelligence is hereditary. Well then why not differentiate at the gene level? Probably because intelligence cannot be sufficiently mapped to a set of isolated genes. I'm sure that some correlations have been identified in research but no causal relations seem to have been drawn into how a gene contributes to intelligence. Unfortunately even the pic you provided doesn't justify your racism. The fact is that to a black person with an IQ of 150 group characteristics don't matter but to a subhuman piece of shit like you they seem to be an avenue for you to cover your prejudices in scientism. Whats your IQ anon? Seems like something you should happily be able to disclose.

Evolutionary psychology is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the humanities because frankly the conclusion that "muh cold winters" is what resulted in higher IQs is at best unfalsifiable and at worst a form of retarded confirmation bias. The fact that the majority of people on this board have been brainwashed by retards like you with these race baiting threads is hilarious. It just goes to show how few people are willing to look under the hood and actually understand something and how readily they'll accept something if its in a paper even if they don't understand how the conclusions are arrived at. People are sheeps and scientism is the new Catholic Church.

>>12491540
>nothing you've shown shows that they are significant enough to matter
>15 points gap between basketball americans and whites is not significant

Seethe more nigger.

>>12491551
Okay. Now tell me how IQ maps to actual cognitive tasks. What's the minimum IQ needed to understand general relativity? How about calculus? How about programming? Now cite the papers that confirm this.

Yh that's what I thought. Unfortunately we already have societal structures that'll filter for retards when it comes to university or the workforce. Your race science literally serves no function.

>>12491561
>What's the minimum IQ needed to understand general relativity? How about calculus? How about programming?

huuuuuuuuge fucking strawman wtf hahahahahahhahahahahh

>>12491561
>we already have societal structures that'll filter for retards when it comes to university or the workforce.
And we have affirmative action that brings in retards to university or the workforce on the assumption that they're equally intelligent.

>>12491561
>spoonfeed me scientific literature that I won't even read and waste your time

No.
You can check the average IQ of various categories of workers, from plumbers to STEM uni professors, I'm not doing it for you.

>Your race science literally serves no function

"This field of research triggers me"
Whether or not it serves a purpose (it does) is irrevelant, if you are not interested in the subject you are free to fuck off from this thread and go dilate somwhere else.

>>12490280
How about no race war?
If you teach everyone blacks are just as smart as whites, then the only reason they would be more poor is if "the system is racist". It's not, but because people think it is, that creates resentment.

Reading through this thread has given me cancer.
>>12484358
>>12484433
>>12484444
>>12484526
>>12490280
Is this how far /sci/ has fallen? Does someone need "justifiable reason" to research a particular topic? I'm fucking ashamed.

>>12491351
Your premise is entirely unfounded but lets entertain it.
You say that it will perpetuate problems but, check this out: the problems wont be solved by ignoring them either now will they? And they are certainly not solved by progressive policy makings that we have been allowed to observe for the past 60 years in America.

Telling a dumb person that they are smart wont make them smart. It will just help create and then feed into an inferiority complex that grows and grows as their illusions about themselves are slowly but surely shattered to pieces. They will look around at others like them and notice how they are all failing. They will start harboring resentment towards those that succeed. I mean, how could they not? They have been told they are the same yet in reality it is abundantly clear that their outcomes are not the same.
THAT CAN NOT BE FAIR PLAY.
You set up the game that way. You tell them they are equal. So why are the results NEVER equal?

Currently in academia we have fields that are entirely dedicated to harboring and promulgating such resentment narratives that are entirely fictional up to the point where they illustrate the hatred brown people feel towards white people. I, functionally, can not comprehend how you can view the current situation as being more favorable than opening up the lid on the heritability of IQ.
I mean, can you not even empathize with European people who don't want to be turned into a horror fiction boogeyman for a bunch of low IQ bottom feeders who are looking to excuse their own shortcomings and failures?

>>12491816

>>12491727
>Does someone need "justifiable reason" to research a particular topic?
Yes especially when it comes to something so decisive and doesn't seem to show any sort of benefits to anyone. Then one has to ask why OP cares about this but not how to make a moon colony.

>>12492152
Did OP say he doesn't care about making moon colony? Why do you assume he doesn't?

>>12492152
google translate
>Yes especially when it comes to something I don't want to to talk about because I don't think it benefits me

Niggers are subhuman savages.

Forget about /onions/ OP they don't know shit. Just goyim as usual.
They don't even know how much their gov. has send to Africa.
Lost cause. They already fail like low IQ 2 digits for hypno tranny program.
>>12491816
Tell me how much money your country send to Africa. Tell us what could've being accomplish in scam science with that.

>>12484381
It's funny how you talk about preconceived biases and pseudoscience, and then immediately follow it up with the assertion that the racists are wrong.

>>12490280
Why wouldn't a race war benefit people?
>inferior and insufficient peoples get purged
>X resources now going to peoples who are better able to make efficient use of it for Good (as far as Good is understood)
>example: a society where those people which comprise it are happy, prosperous, and actualized is a good society. Slaughtering large subsets of an existing population in cull, resulting in a new population that is able to create a better society with those same resources (which are not being used on lesser people) would result in a Good society.

It's like having an abortion when you find out your kid has downs, and trying for a new kid a bit later. You're still going to end up having the same number of kids, but now your resources and time are spent to creating better people who have a more full, rich, and Good life.

>>12492395
that's what he is saying. His argument is that if he would purposefully lie about the results of any study so there is no point in researching it.

>>12484055
>The best thing "race realists" can point to is the bell curve
lol
>and that book has been thuroughly discredited.
double lol

>>12486198
lmao what?

>>12484349
based

>>12484053
You're an idiot if you think that autist define intelligence.

>>12484433
You want to know why we care? Because racial IQ gap explains all of racial inequality that exists in a society. Inequality which shilibs like you attribute to racism and discrimination. And your way of countering that is set up racial quotas for blacks in universities and job market. Which inevitably discriminates against whites and asians.
If people were aware that some races are more intelligent than others and that the unequal outcomes that we observe are completely natural they wouldn't do any of it.

We talk about it so much so you would stop punishing high IQ races because blacks have shitty genes.

>>12484466
I know right??? Those damn white devils just keep da black man down!!!!

>>12484053
I know bro. Intelligence is fucking useless
haha

>>12487310
dumb shitlib

>>12492585
this desu

Hypothetically, if we shaved off the bottom 10% in intelligence of every group of Africans, every generation, then in maybe after a while they could catch up to whites.

Low IQ people have the highest fertility across the board, allow them to exist unchecked and the problem they pose will only magnify over time. There is an extreme dysgenic trend happening across every race currently. Really automation of jobs should naturally be complemented with positive AND negative eugenics, for every self driving car we produce we should kill off one 80 IQ truck driver, it's only fair to them and the rest of society.

>>12484622
Why do you think people would need an excuse to hate others? Your conspiracy theory for why OP and others like him bring up IQ is to have this excuse but that just doesn't make any sense.

Do you think people didn't hate blacks before IQ tests were invented?

>>12488335
You are delusional

>>12484433
>>12484444
I will never understand how people like this can exist. What was even going on in your head while you were typing that?

>>12492661
I'm not antifa, I just know bullshit when I smell it.
Go back to crying about the orange shabbos goy being supplanted by the demented shabbos goy

>>12492693
You think Bezos is on our side, whatever you are you are fucking delusional.

>>12492694
There isn't mine or yours you Manichean retard, there's just the filthy rich and us, the haves and have-nots

>>12492412
this isn't nazi germany.

>>12492931
You're right, it can be even better than Nazi Germany.

>>12490280
>If X race are proven to smarter, nothing beneficial happens. Just a race war.
How does this even logically follow?

>>12492939
it wouldn't work at all. retards like >>12492640 don't know anything.

>>12492656
They hated them because of slavery

>>12492604
Nice blog Emil Ow Kirkegaard, maybe you should try getting it published in a peer reviewed scientific article if you have so much confidence in it.

>>12492943
Like, people in America believed for decades, ever since the first measurement of black IQ was taken, that whites are genetically more intelligent and it didn't lead to any race war so what are you basing your claim on?

>>12492959
He's right though.

>>12492970
wow, racism destroyed

>>12492974
>lets kill people bro
No

>>12492982
>"people"

>>12492970
>implying there aren't tons of peer reviewed papers discussing the relationship between IQ and race and life outcomes

>>12490361
>I just want to go back to segregation (which would require a race war)
Again, how does that logically follow? What world do you live in?

>>12493026
>XD

>>12493103
It's not that mysterious.
Blacks would fight against it being reinstated, likely harder than they fought to have it outlawed.

>>12489122
The prevailing view in US is that race doesn't exist and that everyone is equal. Does it look like as if people were getting along?

>>12489234
>We know what happens when you treat different races as unilaterally intellectually inferior;
>we all know how american segregation turned out.
It was abolished so it didn't turn out pretty well. Anyway, what is so bad about segregation?

>>12489234
And do you realize segregation existed long before IQ testing came to be?

>>12492978
>>12493078
Way to completely miss the point, wasn't even attacking the argument but rather attacking the infograph. Try not to chug the ideological kool-aid so fast you drown in defending poor evidence just because it backs your preconceived notions.

>>12484104
Can you please give me that research paper this is from? I've lost it before.

>>12489122
Lying is a mortal Sin.

>>12492293
>>Yes especially when it comes to something that offers no one any tangible benefits and only creeps us closer to armageddon
Ftfy

>previously believed race doesn't exist and everyone was equal
>infographs posted here changed my mind
>people who have always believed that race doesn't exist and everyone is equal tell me im just listening to research that supports my opinions

>>12494228
>>infographs posted here changed my mind
The infographs here are either total shit or misuse the data to prove their point or are out of context.

>>12494342
how do you know that? proof?

>>12491816
This doesn't make any sense.

>>12484358
Because a massive number of political ideologies, especially those of the leftist variety are predicated on the idea that black crime rates are caused by racial injustices or police just disproportionately arresting them for no reason compared to whites.
I'd be more than happy to pretend race doesn't exist and just focus on intelligence, but you need to recognize that a huge amount of your taxes (and the cost of your college education) has been spent on these programs that ineffectually "uplift" the black community.

>>12494348
>how do you know that? proof?
The first infographic in the thread is from a study where the white kids were all under 6 when given up and the black kids were all over 6 when given up. It's literally just bad parenting.

>>12494348
That map of nations where it uses Lynn's IQ numbers which he used really bad data to make. For Japan one of the test scores he used was a Japanese private rich HS, but for Equatorial Guinea he used an orphanage for mentally disabled orphans for them and it was "okay".

>>12483996
I just came out of a thread in /his/ with some redditor claming blacks had iron in 3000 Bc and were equal to europe in 1700 AD

How bad is the Søy Situation in this thread?
Give me a quick rundown

>>12494533
>>12494604
Proof? Has there been a released amendment to the studies which corrected the data? Otherwise I don't believe you.

>>12494612
Quite OK
The climate threads on here are worse

>>12494612
Kill yourself frogshitter

>>12494650
You will never be a woman.

>>12494653
Trump lost

>>12494616
>Proof?
The proof is in the study. If all you do is read infographics all you get is what the infographer wants you to get.

>>12494659
Yes but usually if a flaw of that level is found the study gets redacted and the journal releases a statement correcting it, especially in a field scrutinized to such a massive degree as racial differences in intelligence. Just looking, the wikipedia articles on both studies mentions no criticism of the nature you outlined, if professionals don't have the same problems you're having, well, you're wrong.

nigger

>>12494533
>>12494659
>the black kids were all over 6 when given up.
I went to look it up, and in their 130 black and half black children, 86 were adopted within their first year, 44 after.
Seems like you also get what you want to get.

>>12493773
>Way to completely miss the point,
>wasn't even attacking the argument but rather attacking the infograph.

This is supposed to help your case? You accuse someone of straw manning and say this on your defense? That you weren't attacking the argument but just the infograph? What does that even mean, attacking the infograph? You didn't like how it looked like? lol

>>12494533
>The first infographic in the thread is from a study where the white kids were all under 6 when given up and the black kids were all over 6 when given up.
This is false. All kids were under one year of age when they were adopted.

>>12494604
>For Japan one of the test scores he used was a Japanese private rich HS
You just love making shit up, don't you?

>>12494604
>but for Equatorial Guinea he used an orphanage for mentally disabled orphans for them and it was "okay".
You keep repeating this as if it invalidated all of his data. Are you aware that he gave direct measures for 161 countries? What do you think one of those data points would change?
If you bothered to actually read Lynn instead of nit-picky criticisms of him on the internet you would know that his IQ data strongly correlate with educational attainment. If they were just some sloppy guesswork this would not be the case.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289610000450

>>12494612
I would guess there is maybe one or two race deniers who think talking about IQ will lead to genocide but they are getting mocked and as always, nobody managed to prove that races are equal.

>>12492640
You would have a very weird looking bell curve until it tapers off because of 'gene shuffling' I don't think that's the correct terminology.

Hey fags, what's the difference between a 160 iq and a 140 iq? What are the learning rates? I read somewhere that if you had an iq of 160, everything would be boring since its too easy to learn and if you had 130-140, then you wouldn't struggle to learn anything, these two opinions just seem too similar and vague.

>>12495250
I have a hard time believing people with 130-140 IQ could understand quantum physics at the .001%. Nor could I believe that they would comprehend string theory at the .001%. However they may be more efficient due to a larger rate of relation to the common man, and since most fields are administrated, taught, and molded by the common man (145IQ or lower), they will excel moreso than the individual with 160IQ or higher.

>>12495251
I mean, its only one standard deviation, plus they say genius starts at 140-145? Plus the people with 160 iq are very few indeed, you'd think the smart guy who doesn't struggle to understand and gets 4.0+ gpa is at least 140 iq. It would be very unlikely that they were 160iq. I tend to think the 160 iq occurs mostly on child prodigies. I'd would also argue that the majority of the people who create new research are mostly on the 130-145 iq spectrum with a few 160iq flukes who very rarely disrupt research knowledge bases.

>>12484305
asian baddie on the train doe

>>12494655
Hilarious you still think anyone will get mad about this.

>>12495251
What do you mean excel more? They're supposed to be self taught since they can understand anything on their own.

>>12495251
That do you mean excel more? The 160iq are supposed to be self taught since they can understand anything on their own.

>>12495251
What do you mean excel more? The 160iq are supposed to be self taught since they can understand anything on their own.

>>12495166
http://racialreality.blogspot.com/2011/08/devastating-criticism-of-richard-lynn.html?m=1

>>12495347
Ahh yes, the Wicherts exchange, always a classic. Yes, he excluded samples of Africans suffering from malaria and malnutrition and arrived at 82 IQ estimate. While Lynn who did not do that arrived at 71. What do you think that proves? Or you just read the title and called it a day, right?
Are you aware that there was another study on African IQ done by Rinderman who estimated their IQ at 75? Which is much closer to Lynn. Wicherts is (un)surprisingly silent on that.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886912003741

On top of that, in Lynn's 2019 book he gave detailed explanations on which sample he exuded and which not. So the claims that his literature review was "unsystematic" are obsolete now. Not a word from Wicherts so far.

Are you even aware that Lynn wrote more than one book on national IQ? I doubt it. Lynn's critics never know what they are talking about. They just see some internet blog with title" Big Mean Racist Richard Lynn absolutely blown out of a water" and they proclaim victory.

>>12495347
Here is just one example of what shitty studies Wicherts used

>>12495383
>Are you even aware that Lynn wrote more than one book on national IQ?
I know. I'm just calling out his 2002-2006 data which concluded that blacks suppoesdly having an IQ of around 55-60 which is horseshit. 75-80 is much more accurate.

>>12495347
I assume you think that B-W IQ gap in the US is due to environment. Do you realize that Wicherts' high estimate of 82 for Africa hurts your environmental theory? If there is merely 3 IQ points gap between blacks living in two vastly different environments then how can you explain the 15 point gap there is between whites and blacks living in the same environment?

>>12495390
>I know. I'm just calling out his 2002-2006 data which concluded that blacks suppoesdly having an IQ of around 55-60 which is horseshit.
lol you didn't even read the older Lynn's work. His older studies put Africa at 68. Even Abos got around 65.

>>12484031
False

>>12495392
82 is a bit too high but they are not mentally retarded either. IQ is both genetic and environmental.
>>12495395
Equatorial Guinea was at 59 jesus

>>12495037
What exactly do you think my case was? I'd love to hear in your own words what you think I was taking issue with.

>>12495392
Not op, but american blacks are an outlier, they were bred for physical output during the slavery era, you can't possibly use them for comparison with other populations especially since they are a minority population compared to the 1 billion plus black people in africa. They are just not a diverse enough population sample for any meaningful comparison on race iq studies. I mean you could see this when comparing african immigrant academic performance with us blacks, they are consistently outperformed.

>>12495407
I recall a test done on Igbos that got 91 or 92 for them.

>>12495404
>Equatorial Guinea was at 59 jesus
According to your beloved Wicherts it was 60. But still, EG is just one country, we were talking about blacks in general

>>12495407
>Not op, but american blacks are an outlier, they were bred for physical output during the slavery era
lol they aren't dogs they weren't bred for anything. The only reason why comparison with US blacks is problematic is that they have 25% european admixture which increased their IQ. But that just makes the case for environmentalists even worse. Because now blacks living in first world country have supposedly lower IQ than their much poorer counterparts in the third world. At least if you went by Wicherts' data.

>>12495423
>is that they have 25% european admixture which increased their IQ.
If that's the case, why does the Horn of Africa have an even lower IQ than them if they are 40-50% West Eurasian?

>>12495428
source?
I am not aware that East Africans would have sizeable admixture from anywhere.

>>12495423
They were bred like livestock anon, there's an entire book that details this. Their were even records like liivestock breeders keep, auctions detailing what favourable traits a slave might need to breed more. I'm surprised that more people dont know this. Seriously african americans are outliers in the most academic sense, there might not be a demographic like them in the world, at least in magnitude. Here's the book:
https://www.amazon.com/American-Slave-Coast-Slave-Breeding-Industry/dp/1613738935/ref=pd_lpo_14_t_1/130-0568787-6418517?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1613738935&pd_rd_r=33421344-5127-4787-9270-7fcc54cc7e08&pd_rd_w=ONYy7&pd_rd_wg=Fs3uQ&pf_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=6869MFT2SHFDYHRC97V2&psc=1&refRID=6869MFT2SHFDYHRC97V2
I also forgot to mention that they were even used as credit for loans, similar to livestock farmers today. More people should know this.

>>12495418
Sure. I don't get why people still post outdated research.

>>12495430
http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html?m=1

>>12495412
Not surprised that they're called the african jews. can you post a source.

>>12495448
http://afripol.org/afripol/item/1813-uk-nigerian-academic-performance-in-destroys-the-myth-of-black-low-iq.html
Closest thing I got which ties in to the whole high immigrant performance thing. Interestingly, the Igbo are pretty much genetically the same as other west africans.

>>12495423
>They aren't dogs

Humans are not exempt from natural/artificial selection

>They weren't bred for anything

Of course they were. Do you think they picked the smallest and the weakest with the least endurance to work in the field all day?

>>12489578
>what is metal
A well-ordered phase with dislocated electrons.
>is something that can be a metal, a metal
Metallic hydrogen is a metal. alpha-tin is not a metal
>why is your grammar so bad
Because d-block and heavy elements tend to be metallic.
>what if I specify unitless fractions as if that would mean anything
Passivation, then nothing.
>what if an unrelated property is differented in an unrelated way
Then it is a noble metal.
>illiteracy on /sci/
Just goes to show that >>12488671 has a point; you really have to specify what you mean if you want to get any useful answers.

>>12488671
>How do you separate people into 'races'? If a person is 3/5 white and 2/5 black is he put into your black category or white category? What if his test scores are high? What if his test scores are low?
Self-reported race corresponds to best-fit genetic cluster with over 99% accuracy. The person you described exists only in thought experiments like this and not really in actual world.

>Why is there more genetic diversity in a single pack of wolves than in all humanity?
There isn't.

>Why is there more genetic diversity among African tribes than in all humans out of Africa yet we consider all Africans one 'race' while multiple 'races' exist outside Africa?
Because those African tribes still look physically quite similar to each other. And they have more or less the same mental traits so nobody bothered to divide them any further.

>What is 'white'? Are Caucasians White? Are Middle Easterners white? Are Europeans white? Going how far back? Are Gypsy's white? They've lived in Europe for over 1000 years. How far back does one need to go for them to be 'white'? Human migrations into Europe have existed for tens of thousands of years, what exact migration led to them being 'white' and why are further migrations not counted?
IIRC the gene mutations for white skin started appearing about seven thousand years ago. The intelligence evolved long before that during last Ice Age. I haven't looked at other physiological traits or phenotype because I don't care. Gypsies (who lived in Europe for like 500 years btw) might in few thousand years evolve lighter skin. Though probably not intelligence since that was selected for by difficulty of obtaining food while now they just wait for welfare and walk into supermarkets.
Idk what you think you are proving here. Because we don't know exact date when races evolved means what? We don't even know why European squirrel is red, while North American squirrel is grey. What does that prove?

>>12488671
>Why is race determined by your least desirable traits?
It isn't. What are you talking about?

This whole post is perfectly fit for crying brainlet wojak who thinks he is smart meme. You don't properly understand some topic and you conclude that everyone who does is dumb as you, just manipulated. You are sort of like Taleb and his IQ article. He stumbled upon his own stupidity thinking he made some great discovery.

>IQ is a valid metric to measure human potential
>Don't segregate based on IQ, segregate based on race instead!
why is /pol/ like this?

>>12495587
Because people like to come into contact with someone who is of their own race? Just because IQ is predictor of life outcomes doesn't mean it's the only thing that matters when it comes to people you want to socialize with.

And regression to the mean is also a thing.

>>12495592
>Because people like to come into contact with someone who is of their own race?
People also like to not be poor, and to be roughly equal or superior in wealth to their peers. I don't see you guys scrambling to implement socialism though.
>And regression to the mean is also a thing.
Assuming people reproduce completely randomly, which is an absurd assertion.

>>12495610
>People also like to not be poor, and to be roughly equal or superior in wealth to their peers.
Right, they want to be the same race, same SES and same pretty much everything. It's not like /pol/ wants to establish racial segregation and then forcibly move poor whites into rich white communities or something.

>Assuming people reproduce completely randomly, which is an absurd assertion.
No? Even if two equally smart black people have a kid, the kid will be below average of white mean.

>>12495619
> Even if two equally smart black people have a kid, the kid will be below average of white mean.
That doesn't make any sense, you're retarded.
Following that logic intelligence couldn't increase at all, because it would constantly be regressing to reptile brain mean in every single generation of every animal ever.

>>12495626
No, this would be only the case if regression to the mean was happening indefinitely but it only affects one generation.

>>12495587
>why is /pol/ like this?
Because /pol/ is still part of 4chan, which means that board has a high degree if hyperbolic statements and edgy memes. The "ethnostate" thing is mostly a meme and a fantasy for autists.
I believe most over there can be reasoned with in real life, and wouldn't bother living in any society with a small % of high IQ immigrants (be it Africans, Asians, South Americans, etc) that can adapt to the culture (important point). Based on this, the distribution of a society where the average IQ is, let's say, 110, could respect the correct distribution of IQ per race in a scenario where there's limited immigration.
That being said, because you can't completely erradicate the culture of immigrants and their children, so some segregation based on that would be not only acceptable, but natural. This already happens in some degree with immigrants flocking to one neighbourhood, because who would have guessed that they prefer to live among themselves, still behaving and interacting the way they know how to, culturally. Assimilation is not easy and usually involves practices that will make some people angry. To not assimilate is to perpetuate cultural differences which plays a role in society. A very easy example is corruption: South Americans with high IQ are not less prone to corruption than the Japanese, because political (social) corruption is associated with culture and not IQ. That means that even if you brought all South Americans with +140 IQ to the United States they would still probably not assimilate and would bring whatever is bad (and good) about their culture.

>>12495641
>but it only affects one generation.
Why? What is the actual mechanism behind it?
You're basically saying 100+ IQ black people consistently reproduce to create 80 IQ black children. But /pol/ also argues that intelligence is highly heritable. Miraculously, this behavior is absent in the white population. Which is it, you intellectually dishonest nigger?

>>12495651
>You're basically saying 100+ IQ black people consistently reproduce to create 80 IQ black children.
I literally never said this. Regression to the mean is not really a "mechanism" but just statistical phenomenon.
I already spent quite some time arguing with retard ITT so just read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean
https://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/16/regression-to-the-mean/

Or just say that author is a nazi and that it doesn't count. Whatever.

>>12495658
or this
https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf
p. 263

>>12495658
>>12495664
>just statistical phenomenon.
So you're saying that intelligent people consistently produce borderline retarded children solely on the basis. Like magic.
You need to read the wikipedia article yourself, dumbass. Particularly the fallacies section.

>>12495666
>So you're saying
10000% chance this will follow some ridiculous strawman

> that intelligent people consistently produce borderline retarded children solely on the basis. Like magic.
lol better than I expected.

>>12495670
>strawman
You're saying that 100+ IQ blacks will produce 80 IQ children consistently enough that IQ discrimination isn't viable somehow.
You still haven't explain how IQ can simultaneously be highly heritable except for blacks somehow who will always trend towards 80 IQ.

>>12495673
>You're saying that 100+ IQ blacks will produce 80 IQ children
I am literally not saying that wtf is wrong with you?

>>12495677
>I am literally not saying that wtf is wrong with you?
How else is regression to the mean relevant in a discussion about discrimination based on IQ instead of race other than claiming that race has more of an impact on children's IQ than the actual parents IQ?

>>12495684
It is relevant because if we set up a segregation based on IQ alone it would mean that we would have to keep a high IQ backs around. And that is not good strategy because their kids will have significantly lower IQ than them. And white kids would have to go into schools with those black kids. And so IQ segregation would lost all its meaning.

>>12495695
>And that is not good strategy because their kids will have significantly lower IQ than them.
In other words, high IQ blacks (i.e. 100+ IQ blacks) will produce borderline retarded (i.e. 80 IQ) children.
Despite the high heritability of IQ somehow.
You still haven't explained the mechanism behind this. "Regression to the mean" isn't a mechanism, it's an observation of a trend which may or may not be applicable to this scenario. It is unlikely to be applicable, because IQ is highly heritable.

>>12495701
>In other words, high IQ blacks (i.e. 100+ IQ blacks) will produce borderline retarded (i.e. 80 IQ) children.
No. 100+ IQ blacks will produce kids above the black mean (85) and below the white man (100). And of course below the mean of the white kids they would be together with due to segregation.

>>12495701
>You still haven't explained the mechanism behind this.
I linked you two sources, I dont give a crap about spoon feeding you.

>>12495710
>100+ IQ blacks will produce kids above the black mean (85) and below the white man (100)
So you're saying IQ isn't highly heritable then?
>>12495715
Your "sources" are garbage because it doesn't have any explanatory power, just guess work because of an general observation in the field of statistics.

>>12495710
>>12495715
Oh man, even better you and your source says it only applies to one generation yet you come to the conclusion that blacks must be discriminated against indefinitely, and IQ based discrimination doesn't work because 1 generation might be dumber than their parents. lmao.

>>12495610
>I don't see you guys scrambling to implement socialism though
Actually thats exactly what the NSDAP was trying to do

>>12495751
What is even wrong with discrimination? Not all snakes are poisonous but i dont see very many people abandoning discriminative thought processes when dealing with them

>>12483996
Why do people pretend race creationism is a legitimate scientific position?

>>12483996
>No dropping the N-bomb
No, we can't. /pol/ has fucking annihilated productive discourse on this board. These people cannot separate their hatred from reality.

>>12496464
12 different posts had the N-word from 328 posts.
3% of the whole thread, and this is quite a feat considering this is 4chan after all and the OP almost begs for autistic children to come here and drop the word when he asks for them to not do it.
>fucking annihilated productive discourse on this board
Nah, why would you exaggerate so much?

>>12496624
3% of the posts in this discussion couldn't fucking contain themselves. The larger issue is the insane amount of bad faith, shitty, tired, unsubstantiated arguments on this fucking board that just so happen to not slip out the n word.

>>12495895
faggot.

>>12496640
>he look he said nigger
>let's ignore everything he said
>also everything I say is correct and anyone that doesn't agree with me is wrong
This is you. This is why no one takes you people seriously.

>>12496968
>can't express his ideas without saying nigger
>expects anyone to take him seriously

>>12496985
I don't take you seriously either.
>bad faith, shitty, tired, unsubstantiated arguments
You faggots are the ones who ignore literal facts and proof while saying the same shit over and over again without any proof at all. You don't want to talk. You just want people to agree with you and they're "racist" if they don't. Fuck off.

>>12483996
I wonder how much of a eugenic effect the imposition of religious or legal rule systems had on populations.
Systems that were large or complicated would select for memory and comprehension abilities (written language is most likely a prerequisite here).
Depending on the types of rules, there may be selection for things like self-control, delayed gratification, selflessness, etc.

My guess is regions that developed language and such rule systems first are ahead not just culturally but also genetically due to the long term exposure to the positive selective pressures of their culture.

So what education and government polices would you even do with this research? It's still illegal to strip funding to deny people education due to race of genetic factors since that can be ground for a case that can go to the upper level courts.