/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12481844
Never seen this photo before

How big would a space station need to be before powered hardsuits became a worthy mass vs. time tradeoff for EVA? Von Braun Station? Babylon 5?

>>12481854
Any scale, unless you're specifically going to be walking on the surface of a celestial body with significant gravity a mini-spaceship which has manipulator arms or just normal spacesuit arms sticking out can deliver you better performance than the current EVA suit, which is a bootleg of a suit specifically designed to walk on the surface of the Moon. It would be better to have a hard "suit" which is just a small spacecraft with manipulators you can control with your hands or whole arms, it can have a more robust life support system, be more comfortable to work in, and have a larger supply of maneuvering propellant.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/dec/18/scientists-looking-for-aliens-investigate-radio-beam-from-nearby-star

>Scientists looking for aliens investigate radio beam 'from nearby star'
>Tantalising ‘signal’ appears to have come from Proxima Centauri, the closest star to the sun

RADIO SIGNALS FROM PROXIMA CENTAURI HAPPENING!! AYYLMAOS CONFIRMED

>>12481869
>theguardian
well if the US Space Force says it it must be true

>>12481869
>The Guardian
I wouldn't trust a journalist to describe their breakfast lmao

>>12481869
>>12481690
>BLC1 means Breakthrough Listen Candidate One, meaning they have given this signal a name and a designation of being THE FIRST to satisfy their strict requirements for a signal candidate. This is not written in the article, but can be deduced from the name alone, meaning its much more serious. Its not some BLC5425 out of BLC9999, its fucking BLC1.

>>12481868
This might be the goofiest thing I've seen all week. What is the purpose of this buttplug?

>>12481872
>>12481874
The Guardian has always been one of the best investigative traditional mediums. The article itself is very critical and well written.

>>12481880
Stop anon, I can't read this post with a straight face.

>>12481869
We dark forest now

>>12481868
In general yes, but there's some lower bound below which the facilities for maintaining the hardsuits start biting in to mission operations. I guess it depends on how quickly you can launch more modules or raw construction materials to wherever your space station is to have the hardsuits enlarge the station overall. That would mean the real threshold is launch cost/cadence and not station size. Pic related, cheap bulk launches change everything about space station design. At worst you could make the suits a bit bigger and put a standard docking port on the back of them, so the worker just climbs in and out like a small capsule.

>>12481878
It's a modern rendition of a 1950s design for a hardsuit. IIRC it comes from the Umbrella Ship design.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesigns3.php#id--Mars_Umbrella_Ship

>>12481880
kek nice joke

>>12481878
Exactly what I described, it's a step up from a spacesuit. It was intended to be used to construct the von Braun wheel.

>>12481869
>proxima centauri
man, it'd be the coolest fucking thing if we could actually communicate with an alien species and not take 10,000 years between messages

Cringe or cringe /sfg/???

>>12481869
based

>>12481886
Dark Forest theory never really made sense.
Any aliens in our galaxy that had a significant lead on us would likely determine that earth had life long before we had radio or even before we evolved.

>>12481896
Cringe and cringepilled

>>12481892
We could also send something there in 4 decades or so on an Orion.

>>12481896
CRINGE with all caps.

>>12481869
Ask for nudes HURRY

>>12481896
This would make sense to me if they called it the space guard instead of space force.

>>12481911
Space Guard itself just sounds better, similar to the Coast Guard. It also better reflects what their job will be, at least for the near future: Guard US infrastructure in Space.

>>12481630
How the hell can you mess up multiple attempts for a practice run of a test of a first launch? They must be intentionally throwing the development at this point. If no investigation into this fucking mess that's called a rocket ever happens then it is proof that NASA is full of useless corrupt tumors and they should never be considered a serious space agency ever again. Every single public event NASA hosts should have at least one person there to mock them for being more impotent than a depressed grandpa with ED.

>>12481936
or guardsmen.

>>12481938
Actually it was me, I performed eldritch rituals to ensure the green run would not take place in 2020 so I could laugh even harder at oldspace.

>>12481938
>They must be intentionally throwing the development.
Of course.

>>12481938
inb4 NASA is full of 5th columnists for Space X

>>12481896
They should do something important before wanking themselves over how cool they think they are

>>12481960
They're choosing a cringe name before they do cringe things

>>12481949
Based

>>12481961
how do you do cringe things in space
how does that work

>>12481979
NASA has been doing that since the conclusion of the Apollo program.

>>12481946
even better lol

>>12481984
haha true
>>12481869
The radio signal was received last year. Why do you think (((they))) destroyed Arecibo?

kino picture

>>12482001
>YWN be in charge of beveling spacecraft pieces and contributing to the greatest achievement by our species

>>12481887
>Starship is larger and has more internal volume than the entire Gateway station
How can anyone at NASA not have died of embarrassment by this point?

https://youtu.be/1nkv8EL-Y5A

>SN10 top half about to be stacked
>SN9 repair work
>SH's "forward pipe dome" stacked and slotted

>>12481896
What do Russian and Chinese space forces call themselves?

>>12482001
caption this /sfg/

>>12481630
>JUST FUCKING FILL THE TANKS HOW FUCKING HARD CAN IT GET JUST FUCKING ATTACH THE HOSES ALREADY AND PRESS THE "FILL 'ER UP BUTTONS" YOU FUCKING CUNTS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IT'S JUST A FUCKING WET DRESS REHEARSAL YOU'RE NOT EVEN LIGHTING THE FUCKING ENGINES OR MOVING A FUCKING ACTUATOR ON IT

>>12482012
underfunded

>>12482001
This whole project is so fucking based

>>12482012
iirc the Russians use the same troop ranks and names as the airforce, since they're under the same branch of the military

>>12482013
>do not scram
what do this mean

>>12482029
scrap

I like how it implies that they've had a problem with people throwing random starship parts into the grinder

>>12481844
Oh! The [math]\Delta[/math] Clipper.

>>12482033
Hate it when that happens

>>12481844

>>12481822
There's something about the Russian language that makes songs sound fucking awesome.

>>12482065
Um...SpaceXbros???

>>12482065
SN0 looking sharp in this clip anon

>>12482065
>the last time this flew was the year i was born

someone should send out a probe to check for this shit

sounds kinda ghetto but whatever works

I'd pay hard cash to see a bunch of Starships dance in the sky

>>12482099
>a fucking shopping cart

>>12482099
>tow it
With a Ford F-150 and a trailer hitch

>>12482096
Oh no no no no, we've DONE the moon. Did you forget that?
We're doing climate science forever now.

the big challenge to this E2E stuff is making sure that travel to/from the pad doesn't cut into the time savings of the flight too hard

>>12482112
>towing state-of-the-art spacecraft
>get one gimped wheel that keeps swiveling around going down the road

>>12482099
>billion dollar crawler vs $20 home depot castor wheels

Based

while Starship tanks are stable on land it sounds like in order to survive flight stresses they need to be pressurized quite a bit

>>12482116
With Cybertruck of course, what else did you think all that torque was for?

>>12482112
>towing is slowed down because of that one wobbly wheel

>>12481936
>>12481946
AHHHH I FUCKING HATE TWIITTER KILL ME PLEASE

>>12482134
>STEEL Starship
>towed by STEEL Cybertruck
It's going to be so fucking shiny

>go outside moon base
>get hit by a satellite
would there by any feasible application for putting very-low-orbit objects around the moon or other bodies without much atmosphere?

>>12482139
Then get the fuck off of it, retard. You don't see me on that shitheap, nobody's making you be there reading the irrelevant opinions of ignorant fuckwits you're free to leave any time.
Unlike 4chan, you are not there forever.

>>12482139
AGHHHH THE PAIN

>>12482131
I know Estrogenaut has coaxed a lot of info out of Elon and I’m thankful that he’s gotten my mother info spaceflight stuff, but Jesus fuck is he irritating sometimes. I still listen to his videos while driving though.

>>12482145
Harassing enemy surface installations?

>>12482145
It works in KSP, just make sure your PE is higher than the highest point on the surface so you don't run into any mountains or crater walls.

>>12482147
Anon these are the people who decided to name the servicemen of the Space Force "guardians". You can't ignore them forever.

>>12482139
>>12482149
>trumpies that miss the point of the imperium entirely
someone enlighten me
what is she/they alluding to?

>>12482149
>She/They
What the fuck does that even mean? So she likes being called female but also hates it?

>>12482145
A lot of gravity science benefits from being low to the ground. GOCE orbited super low to get the best gravity readings of the earth.

sfg should ban twitter screenshots

>>12482139
First mistake: Using twitter
Second mistake: Light theme
Third mistake: Putting even more twitter cancer in /sfg/, we already spend half of every thread spitting on twittercels.

>>12482156
You know exactly what you're doing posting this garbage.

Hi, please stop spamming the thread with twitter screenshots and fuck off. Thanks.

>>12482145
Wouldn't work on the moon or any natural satellite in the solar system because of the mass imbalance, satellites need to spend quite a bit of fuel to prevent their orbit being perturbed into a suborbital trajectory.

>>12482124
>Starship standing gloriously erect
>no sign of any wielding marks. Just 15 stories worth of shiny liquid silver
>humanity's future made manifest
>towed by a few trucks
>makes this sound on the way to the pad: https://youtu.be/S0FvVWBShE0?t=10

>>12482161
this post is anti-elon
i disagree with you wholeheartedly

Eva hard suits need robotic hands.

See this video for an idea.
https://youtu.be/aVtXac6if14

https://youtu.be/2hcs-QbD_DA

here's a cool SN8 vid. Great audio and angle. No tracking tho.

>>12482169
scientific progress goes boink

>>12481844
I toured SpaceX back in December 2016. It was amazing to see stuff in person. The actual things I learned wasn’t really anything more than what one could just google but it was still cool. Anyhow my cousin works there (he was our tour guide) and he said that SpaceX anticipates the “$500K Ticket to mars” era to start by around 2050.

>>12482158
She's one of those people who think the Imperium is evil and if they'd just do it like Dumbledore or Tony Stark then they wouldn't be in so much trouble. She fails to realize the Imperium is an example of sheer human tenacity and perseverance, surviving the death of it's god and 10 millennia of alien invasion, demonic corruption, bureaucratic incompetence and just overall shit luck that'd make for a hilarious gag reel if it wasn't about trillions of people dying.
To "them" however, it's just a parody of fascism because fascism bad and imperium do bad thing therefore imperium fascist and bad.

>>12482158
The setting of Wh40k back in the 80s was initially a lot of parody.When the series stopped being parody the harshness of the Imperium actually made sense given constant peril the galaxy presented.

>>12482161
Make that all of 4chan

>>12482158
>>12482162
>>12482165
>>12482167
At least I didn't post the screenshots of people who think america is solely responsible for militarizing space and that the space force should be dissolved because evil orange man created it for war. Or the people who think that the space force saying "heritage" is a secret white supremacist code word.

>>12482122
Helicopters seem like the simple solution. Especially if Musk can make an electric one. Only needs ~100km range.

>>12482161
we should post twitter screenshots of people getting excited for space

>>12482195
Fuck i'm losing brain cells just thinking about it. Shit's poison, man. Every single space force discussion is niggers asking for gibs.

>>12482160
She realizes deep down that she's not some fucked up tranny but wants the oppression points for having special pronouns.

>>12482195
>My post is garbage but at least it's not shittier garbage guiz!!!

>>12482145
A sufficiently powerful rifle could put bullets into LLO from the lunar surface at about that altitude. One dude with a Barrett is a portable anti-satellite platform on the moon.

>>12482012
mercenaries

>>12482195
We don't need to be reminded that fuckwits exist and are allowed to post things, we all know. Posting that shit here serves only to derail and harvest (you)s, you knew this and did it on purpose. This is why anons reacted negatively, for good reason.

>>12482195
>space force should be dissolved because evil orange man created it for war
"Trump did the space force, look, look!" is actually a pretty good cover for something the pentagon probably wanted to for a long while. Its an effective and convenient way of misdirecting public attention to the matter, by misattributing it's existence to a "controversial" elected official.

SN10 flap has spikes for TPS tiles

Will breakthrough starshot actually happen?

>>12482201
>Every single space force discussion is niggers asking for gibs.
hey man cool it with the racism
us black and brown folks just want to colonize the stars with y'all too

>>12482216
Cool, shame the flap looks like shit though.

>>12482219
No lol

neat

>>12482222
flaps don't look as smooth as the rest of the vehicle yet. Hopefully they'll get there. In this case it would probably look better with tiles covering it

>>12482225
nothing is beyond our reach

>>12481896
"Mariner" would've been cool

>>12482236
Best one I've heard so far.

>>12482220
If you are black/brown yet browse /sfg/ and actually understand orbital mechanics you are not a nigger, i think this goes without saying. This isn't /pol/.

https://twitter.com/NASAArtemis/status/1339943845014999046 i'm guessing they downselect to National team lander and Alpaca, then to national team lander
>>12482224
I wish it would happen. Its a really neat idea. Maybe with the reduction in launch costs caused by starship something like it will actually happen.

>>12482236
That makes zero sense. They’re white collar workers operating satellites inside of windowless rooms, not seafarers.

>>12482242
>They’re white collar workers operating satellites inside of windowless rooms
for now

>>12482219
When all that's left of us is bones, sure.
>>12482210
Eh, even 14.5's are ~60% short of LLO velocity wise. That being said, with lower moon gravity you could carry a 20 mm cannon with smart sabot ammo. Not sure how it'd maneuver though.

Once we discover Algae on multiple planets with spectrograph telescopes then what is the next step the science community should take?

Mutli generational ship to spend people to poke at it?

>>12482139
>miss the point of the imperium
Yeah alot of people think they're the bad guys when in reality they are that way because the reality of the situation they're in is so fucked.

>>12482252
The imperium lets most star systems and planets have self government as they see fit as long as they worship the God-Emperor and pay taxes.

>>12482247
live underground eating bugs and algae, then die of cancer at 35.

>>12482260
Why exist

>>12482247
Send probes to every starsystem in the galaxy to take a look while we start building the dyson swarm.

>>12482258
>>12482252
The Imperium demands two things: The tithe, in manpower, resources and psykers, and faith in the God Emperor.
Other than that, the imperium is among the most lenient interstellar empires in fiction, meme writers like ADB give them a shit rep but the imperium is not a bad place outside of Hive/Death worlds and it is extremely competent, the bureaucracy is managing quintillions of people without a fucking computer.

>>12482272
Yeah I know they are not cruel all the time and the times where they are is for a good reason.

what are space themed foods?
>cosmic brownies
>bomb (rocket) pop
>moon pies

help me out here

>>12482279
Tortillas and hot sauce.

What sort of propellant do you think bottle suits / worker pods would use for their engines? Just cold gas thrusters? I don't think anywhere but Venus, Earth, and Titan have the ability to synthesize hypergolics on site. Electricity to the pods will probably be batteries or fuel cells charging up from a larger ship/station so that rules out anything with major power needs like hydrolox chilling or electric thrusters.

>>12482279

>>12482279
Dehydrated ice cream.

>>12482241
I expect national to win because of corruption, though I hope it doesn't. Watching it maroon some people on the moon is going to scar kids for life

>>12482288
I figure just pressurized CO2 or something of that nature, nitrogen will be in too high a demand as a component of breathing gas while CO2 is completely unnecessary.

>>12482279
A rocket shaped dessert like cake or icecream with a container of dry ice on the bottom for a smoke effect

Atlas-Agena is the most important rocket that the US ever developed. Everything before it was trash, everything after it was bloated trash.

>>12482316
kinda looks like shit

>>12482316

>>12482316
Tapering rockets is fucking gay with the exception of Saturn V.

>>12482247
Invade them, kill the natives, and build factories.

>>12482195
War is cool so space militarization is good

>>12482233
double dubs confirm

Any news on SN9? They took the broken top fin off, have they attached a new one?

>>12482321
>calling the N1 gay
now that's some gay right there.

the virgin Boing

>>12482347
the chad SpaceX

>>12482347
don't even want to know how much that cost

>>12481844
Wow. I followed it way back when, and I never realized how... small it was.

If they'd made the bigger follow-on, and stuck a second stage on it, they might've had something.
McDonnell Douglas can't do anything right. (See Boing, post-merger)

>>12482077
Nothing new there.

>>12482345
I have sinned and now i must face my damnation.

>>12482353
At least 3 jobs in Alabama

>>12482347
>Scrub wet dress rehearsal
>Take week to redo wet rehearsal
>Scrub again
Lmao imagine not being able to recycle same day after checking the component that caused a hold/detank

>>12482001
>DO NOT SCRAP
>they need to label which parts are junk and which aren't because they're otherwise nearly indistinguishable
This just can't not be hilarious.

>>12481911
Or Rocketeer

>>12482288
I bet you could fit a bunch of those pods in a Cargo Starship.

>>12482295
My guess for 1st downselect is National Team (because Bezos & MIC) and SpaceX (So NASA can claim to be a little part of Starship and it's the cheapest)

Dynetics is the best fit for the Artemis architecture, and it's going to be left in the dust because of politics.

>>12482376
>and it's going to be left in the dust because of politics
corruption is awesome, isn't it?

>>12482394
>corruption is awesome, isn't it?
Shhhhhhhhhh don't use the "c" word, you're supposed to say lobbying.

>>12482394
>>12482400
Pitchforks don't have nearly the role in politics these days that they should.

>>12482219
fuck starshot i want breakthrough enceladus
come on you stupid fucking jew

>>12482418
What's up with enceladus, why's it so fucking peculiar?

>>12482424
subsurface oceans

>>12482426
Is there chance of sea life? Fish? Do they need more sunlight for that?

>>12482426
Lots of places have subsurface oceans. What makes inceladus special is its geysers which show us the oceans are active and salty (many subsurface oceans are likely very dead and choked out of significant mineralization)

>>12482426
>>12482424
>>12482429
the only interesting thing about enceladus is its geysers. most spherical moons in the outer solar system are believed to have subsurface oceans, but the issue with enceladus is that it is extremely young, which means life has had very little time to develop. I'm more interested in moons like europa, titan, triton, etc etc

>>12482424
Fucking encels, have life

>>12482225
I thought this patch was made unofficially by somebody on Twitter or Reddit?

>>12482466
yep lol

>>12482358

How long until the left call NASA rent seekers like they're calling unions over Tesla?

>>12482477
>How long until the left call NASA rent seekers
why do you care and why would it matter if they did or didn't?

>>12482350
the fucking Texas tent makes the picture

>>12482316
Starship will unironically be the most important rocket the US has developed if it works, and there's already a strong argument for Falcon being in the top three

>>12482358
one of their scrubs was due to a major hydrogen valve not working. And to repair it they had to invent something to perform laparoscopic surgery on the piece of shit. Oldspace shit seems really hard to repair and troubleshoot.

>>12482481
lmao i didn't even notice. Incredible.

>>12482486
>falcon
I'M THROOOSTING

>>12482505
>Superheavy will have twice the thrust of the Saturn V
That is a lot of fucking thrust jesus.

>>12482505
>>12482511
inb4 someone posts "BRAP"

>>12482512
That's not even BRAP
That's like explosive anal destruction

>>12482512
imagine the smell

>>12482505
OOOGH AHHHHG I'M GONNA FUCKING THROOOOOOOOOOOST!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYzlLhinEeQ

>>12482505
>SH will have the same thrust as eighteen F9 cores
>with a less bulk dense propellant
Raptors are magic.

>>12482520
Based Von Braun intro

>>12482505
>DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW.

>>12482481
based swampwelders

>>12482505
This unironically makes real men chimp out with excitement

>>12482065
why is the flip so brief?? also this is supposed to scale to SSTO? I'm not convinced

>>12482541
Imagine the THROOST!

>>12482347
>>12482350
Just you wait

>>12482553
This is forbidden

>>12481869
God fucking danmit, all this means is 20 more videos about a fluke radio signal from john michael godier. Spare me holy christ

>>12482347
Will SpaceX ever build a big test stand?

Also didn't the shuttle's SBRs wreck a historical launch pad? If so when will they fix the mess?

>>12482529
last year elon said he worried that the raptor would fall behind when it came to thrust/weight, but this year he's sounded more optimistic.

>>12482553
Бoжe мoй ...

>>12482554
I am the senate

Retard here, am I correct in thinking the transpiration will happen in the gaps between the tiles? That would make it quite different from the cumbersome Shuttle design. Or did they give up on the idea?

From Elon's Twitter (March 2019):

>Q: Fascinating. Why hexagonal shape?
>A: No straight path for hot gas to accelerate through the gaps

>>12482546
The F1 is so dirty, but awe inspiring

>>12481869
I've decrypted the signal guys, here it is!

Why are there no hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane + tetrafluorohydrazine hybrid rocket motors?

>>12482562
The PICAX tiles are currently favored above transpiration cooling, which would significantly increase the complexity and cost of manufacturing Starship, transpiration cooling will only be used if it's found that the tiles are insufficient.

>>12482562
Pretty sure they've given up on the transpiration idea and are just using the tiles to tank the worst of the heating while the hull beneath takes the rest.
Starship's tiles are much thinner and more durable than the shuttles tiles and can be placed pretty much anywhere as opposed to the shuttle tiles which could only go in one spot and were all unique.

raptor nozzle

>>12482562
Almost certain transpiration is not happening

>>12482565
>hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane
I think the Chinese might be experimenting with it, but I don't know

>>12482566
he's also said that transpiration would = more weight. In theory, at least.

>>12482573
It would be guaranteed more weight, you'd need to introduce a plumbing system into the skin of the ship, hundreds of meters of pipes and valves which need to draw from the liquid methane tank.

>>12482565
If you say it loud enough, you'll always sound precocious!

>>12482563
F-1
>5000 hand fitted parts
>largest engine ever flown by a ridiculous margin
>runs black flame exhaust from all the unburnt RP-1
Raptor
>smaller than an SSME
>glorious purple methalox mach diamonds
>cheap enough to mass produce that they drive them around on forklifts

Merlin, Raptor, and to a lesser extent Rutherford are the only engines that feel like they're 21st century designs. Everyone else is rehashing the Cold War.

>>12482505
>experts say Starship/Super Heavy will have double the thrust of Saturn V
>Saturn V, Starship, and the N1 walk into a bar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enuOArEfqGo plays

>>12482580
How complex was john carmack’s engine? Was it anything special or was it just a basic methalox engine

>>12482589
For Exos? I believe it's a ethanol+lox engine with a combustion chamber made from graphite. No cooling, just letting the graphite take the heat

>>12482564
You can't stop the signal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax-zer_byBQ

>>12482592
They made an ethanol engine? Kinda old school, but still neat. I though they tinkered with (and even flew) a methalox engine though

>>12482580
You mean

>cheap enough to mass produce that they drive them around on forklifts driven by black female interns, while the shuttle required boomer engineers who make a quarter of a million a year.

>>12482608
>the cuckbox

>>12482610

Bros, i'm thinkin Bridenstine might be based

>>12482612
What's outrageous is that they're going to throw away shuttle museum engines into the ocean when they're going to build new ones when they didn't want to build additional external fuel tank & SRB shells for full stack museum display.

>>12482615
based

So what /sfg/ doing tonight?

>>12482620
They should throw the shuttles in the ocean as well.

>>12482625
submitting snarky comments to the Federal Register

>>12482620
SLS reads like one of those tragedies that start off bad, then it gets worse, then it gets funny, then it gets worse again, then the pain numbs yet it keeps going.

>>12482625
Starting up a game of Traveler, enjoying a few weeks off from work. Thingken 'bout roket.

>>12482615
Too bad he's about to be fired and replaced with a BIPOC femme-presenting Person of Size.

>>12482636
I enjoy just rolling up new planets and characters in Traveler.

>>12482625
thinking about making rocket engines

>>12482625
Watching a Stalingrad Documentary

>>12482615
I fucking love this man

>>12482625
I'm making notes and world building for an interplanetary scifi novel.

>>12482638
boomers were bitching that he wasn't willing to go down with the NASA when Biden announce that he was shifting NASA's focus away from space to climate change.

Biden might as well be a Male Karen in that case.

"Why should we focus on space exploration when we have problems on earth still?"

>>12482650
Biden is just a vehicle to weaken American and prevent American hegemony in space as much as possible.

>>12482655
>Biden is just a vehicle to weaken American
I fucking wish, America is going full steam ahead with globohomo liberal hegemony, using his reelection as pretext to go "back to normalcy."

So did we find aliens or something?

>>12482657
You're partially right, the 'back to normalcy' idea coincides with the controlled crash of the American economy. Rather than have the whole thing go tits-up at once, there's a plan to drive it into the ground slow enough to loot it entirely before forcing it into chaotic unrest.
We're pretty much there now so I hope this isn't the first you're hearing of this.

>>12482620
Idk if they're still doing it but the CalScience Center where Endeavor is was planning on displaying their shuttle in a full stack eventually anyways. I assume they found a contractor who could build a decent approximation of the stack hardware and called it good enough.

>>12482663
no

>>12482663
They’re always false positives. But god can you imagine? I don’t want aliens to meet our society. If they find twitter or reddit they will nuke us

>>12482655
Trump's role was to demoralize the nationalist while sabotaging the last remaining years we could deport the 20 million. Now the DACA kids are close to having their own anchor babies.


Here's an Illegal alien DACA recipient ignores the laws yet goes out of his way to snitch on people not wearing masks while working out

>>12482667
That's cool. They should get a federal grant.

>>12482657
And a central tenet of globohomo doctrine is that it is strictly monoglobo - there's no room for space exploration and all space telescopes must point inwards.
>What are the stars?’ said O’Brien indifferently. ‘They are bits of fire a few kilometres away. We could reach them if we wanted to. Or we could blot them out. The earth is the centre of the universe. The sun and the stars go round it.’
>'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy?

>>12482626
fucking this. fuck the shuttle, fuck the space station

>>12482670
I hope there are no civilized aliens on Proxima, I don't want to have to genocide them. I was hoping there would just be habitable planets with comfy alien animals.

>>12482670
Not sure they’d care. I think bonobos are freaks but they’re just some apes in the jungle ultimately, and not a concern of ours. Any other alien civilization is statistically likely to be millions of years older than us and thus with a comparable power gap

>>12482671
>we snuck into your country without permission, now we are denied the same rights as regular citizens? someone has to pay for this!
Imagine if you had a gun

>>12482625
tryna troubleshoot ethernet problems. I think the controller on the motherboard is faulty, but the random outages have been bizarre

don't forget, NROL-108 F9 launch tomorrow morning. Last F9 of the year
Launch thread
>>12475740
>>12475740
>>12475740

>Saturday’s three-hour launch window opens at 9:00 a.m. EST, or 14:00 UTC, and closes at 12:00 p.m. EST, or 17:00 UTC.

>>12482673
This is the plan. I don't know if they're still going for it or not though, they were building the building to house this whole thing last time I was there.

>>12482685
that scrub was haunted bros.....

>>12482562
>>12482610
>>12482613
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1337805445763837952
>I still have a soft spot in my heart for transpiration cooking [cooling]. In theory, it would use more mass than a tile heatshield, but that remains to be seen.
>Dec 12, 2020
Perhaps in the long term

>>12482670
I want friendly aliens to arrive with FTL technology just so the smug physicist would chimp out at them by figuratively by throwing their physics books at them, like a monkey throwing it's poop at zoo visitors.

"That's impossible, muh Einsteininos!"

There are so many experts who're so full of themselves.

After that come out with a trade deal. We could sell them cultural things like Japanese kimonos, and our different ethnic food.

Just imagine the Atheist's reactions when we find that the aliens are some what religious, and are able to make friendly chit chat with the Abraham religions more so than the Atheist are able to do so.

>>12482689
Maybe when they get fat (18 m diameter) they'll also get sweaty.

>>12482667
Imagine how mad those who want to destroy American spaceflight history are

>>12482690
Imagine Thunderf00t's meltdown

>>12482690
I really doubt FTL is possible, if anything it makes the fermi paradox worse.

>>12482691
I said it before I'll say it again, some one needs to draw a plump 18m starship chan

>>12482686
That’s pretty cool. The one at JSC is shameful and gay although it’s not even real

>>12482686
That looks nice.

How much thrust would you need to spin up Venus to have a 24 hour day/night cycle in less than a century? Assume that your engines are sitting in orbit attached to magic massless instantaneous force transference levers.

>>12482698
lmao

>>12482700
>talking about the fermi paradox as if it's a real thing
ngmi

>>12482700
>if anything it makes the fermi paradox worse.
That's where the ancient ayylmaos come in. They could poke and prod at us when we were harmless animals but now there's a Great Filter version of the Prime Directive at work.

>>12482690
I want FTL more than anything. Even if it's just a revelation that quantum entanglement actually can be used to transmit information instantly or something along those lines it would still be absolutely incredible.

>>12482700
>not skipping straight to gigaship-chan

>>12482711
Fast sub-light travel is better. Half the reason for going to live in another star system is to be some distance between you and the fully automated post-singularity faggotry home on Earth. If globohomo forces could just zip across at a hundred times the speed of light, you'd never get rid of them.

>>12482690
BY THE PROPHETS

>>12482717
Reactionless drive tech would be the best thing we could achieve aoon

>>12482700
>I really doubt FTL is possible, if anything it makes the fermi paradox worse

There is no Fermi paradox because none of the values of the Drake equation are actually known. People who refer to it are pseuds unironically.

>>12482626
Maybe we should throw you in the ocean
>>12482675
and this faggot too

>>12482710
>That's where the ancient ayylmaos come in. They could poke and prod at us when we were harmless animals but now there's a Great Filter version of the Prime Directive at work.

Watch there be multiple civilizations in the local vicinity and all of them have seen similar UFOs. That’d probably be the first thing I’d try to ask. Do you know anyone else?

>>12482698
Precisely.

People like him are the equivalent of those who bet their life savings on Clinton beating Trump, or those who bet Trump beating Biden. When they didn't get their way they had a nuclear melt down. With Clinton it was Russian collusion, with Trump it's China.

They think that it's going to be a Atheist Star Trek fantasy that was created by a religious jew.

I bet the Aliens are religious to some degree.

The problem is not the religious Christians, but those who make a living off their worshipers by building mega churches instead of taking over dying churches. Those private jets didn't pay for themselves.

So there would be a push by Christians, but it would be for selfish reasons, and not anything to do with friendliness such as a scenario like curious Christians having a intoxicating drink at an Alien's sports game.

“ Most curiously, it occupies a very narrow band of the radio spectrum: 982 megahertz, specifically, which is a region typically bereft of transmissions from human-made satellites and spacecraft. “We don’t know of any natural way to compress electromagnetic energy into a single bin in frequency” such as this one, Siemion says. Perhaps, he says, some as-yet-unknown exotic quirk of plasma physics could be a natural explanation for the tantalizingly concentrated radio waves. But “for the moment, the only source that we know of is technological.”

>>12482724
There have been a few scifi settings exploring that premise. Babylon 5 had an episode where a human was suing a grey for abducting his great grandfather.

>>12482700
Yet that's the thing, if it's FTL technology there would be a nuclear melt down if the aliens were friendly such as them giving humans the specs to a basic fusion reactor , and FTL technology that would be enough to zip around in the solar system but not enough to leave the solar system.

It's not like Columbus making contact with the Natives, we're currently working toward fusion,but we may be just a room temperature super conductor away from achieving net-positive energy. The super conductors could be 20 years away by ET"s estimations so they might figure they might as well give us the Specs to save 20 years of environmental damage.

>>12482727
Pretty sure the Quran states aliens exist

>>12482710
The problem with the prime directive is that it assumes that a civilization is going babysit a planet for millions of years and not have anyone change their mind during that time or have another civilization (if alien life is common) not abide by it.

>>12482720
The Fermi paradox isn't dependent on the drake equation, even if the are related, as its just means of estimating how many alien civilizations there might be.
Its why "Alien Civilizations are rare" is a solution to the fermi paradox. If the nearest one is a billion light years away it makes perfect sense why we haven't heard from them.

>>12482736
>Aliens give a fuck about the environment

C’mon, they’re not stupid. Civilization destroys nature to exist and spread, so they probably exterminated their natural biosphere ages ago, or forced it into slavery.

>>12482724

Probably our first contact will be some intergalactic food truck that gives humans hemorrhoids,runs for whole year.

>>12482749
There's a middle ground between being space hippies & some stupid Cpt. Planet villain.

>>12482749
There's no reason why they would have to get rid of their bioshpere . If they had a dyson swarm around their own home star they could dedicate 100s if not 1000s of planets equivalents of living space to wildlife and not even use up a millionth of their total habitat space.

anyone who has enough humility to ask themselves the question "wtf is the meaning of all this" is spiritual to some degree, the atheists are just wanking themselves off shitting on people who try to answer that question for themselves. the little control freak inside them can't deal with other people's views on things not aligning 100% with theirs.

>>12482625
i got shitfaced and accidentally deleted 4chan x
good stuff

>>12482759
>There's no reason why they would have to get rid of their bioshpere

There’s no reason Grug had to chop down trees to make room for his farm. If it is not directly helping us, it is in the way, and must be destroyed.

> If they had a dyson swarm around their own home star they could dedicate 100s if not 1000s of planets equivalents of living space to wildlife and not even use up a millionth of their total habitat space.

That’s a huge waste and no efficient self-replication scheme would do such a stupid thing.

>>12482775
I don't disagree but that has little to do with spaceflight dont you think?

>>12482149
>[verbose performative bullshit] BRUH
>shoves her/their oh-so-transgressive personal brand of not-so-femininity in your face
Obnoxious. Makes my second brain have some quite rapacious urges reading that and seeing her face.

>>12482759
>Dyson swarm
popsci and useless. If we are still talking about aliens specifically from proxima centauri, they would likely be the same age as us (thus presumably around the same technological level)
The system is only 0.2 billion years older than ours. That’s a 200 million year head start, but it probably wouldn’t give them an advantage

>>12482756
Fuck nature. I love completely destroying nature in Factorio and replacing it with factories and concrete

>>12482784
it was vis-a-vis the discussion started by >>12482690 , i probably should've quoted it

>>12482787
>That’s a 200 million year head start, but it probably wouldn’t give them an advantage
uh

>>12482795
Turtles evolved 200 million years ago and what have they achieved? Nothing. It's not that long.

>>12482798
Yeah but what have humans done in the last five thousand years?

>>12482792
Fair enough, carry on anon didn't mean to derail you guys.

>>12482787
>popsci and useless
How so?
>That’s a 200 million year head start, but it probably wouldn’t give them an advantage
If a technological civilization emerged there 200 million years ago they would have likely been able to colonize earth before the dinosaurs went extinct, and colonized the galaxy dozen if not hundreds of times over by then set up shop in the rest of the local group.

>>12482553
observe as I annihilate NASA's annual budget with a single launch

>>12481822
That's fucking gay, there's only one true song for the Russian space program https://youtu.be/ncx4x8rvrQU

>>12482795
It wouldn’t. The earth had only single celled life for a long time, and was a lifeless void for a lot longer. They could even be less advanced than us assuming it took them longer to advance life beyond basic organisms

>>12482721
>oh well who wouldn't be a sailor lad a-sailing on the main...

>>12482799
1) Wheel
2) Domesticate horsies
3) Bread
4) Computers
can't think of much else

>>12482811
>The earth had only single celled life for a long time
Yes
>and was a lifeless void for a lot longer
No.
Regardless 200 million years is a rather big margin for timescales of a few billion years

>>12482814
airplanes, and lighter then air aircraft.
also boats

>>12482820
Fuck reverse what I said. Had stupid cells for a lot longer. I forgot how early they emerged. And yeah 0.2 is large but that doesn’t necessarily mean 0.2Ga more advanced

>>12482814
gunpowder
monke still kill each other with sticks and stones, but gunpowder really makes things more convenient

>>12482829
Killing is fun and natural

>>12482821
>>12482829
Potatoes too

>>12482825
>but that doesn’t necessarily mean 0.2Ga more advanced
True, but even a rather small head start would be huge. Colonizing our galaxy, even with relativistic sub-light travel, can be done in around million or so years.

>>12482837
Prove it’s possible to travel through interstellar space

>>12482801
>If a technological civilization emerged there 200 million years ago they would have likely been able to colonize earth before the dinosaurs went extinct
Conversely they saw the giant reptiles and high volcanic/seismic activity from orbit and noped the fuck out.

>>12482837
Yeah good point. Lmao maybe one of them crashed here and just told everyone he was Jesus or something

>>12482841
Why would interstellar space behave any more differently than regular interplanetary space?
The burden of proof is on you, to prove that somehow interstellar space is completely different from everywhere else.

>>12482841
If it does turn out for some reason that interstellar travel is impossible discussing aliens is largely moot to begin with.
That said there's no known reason why you couldn't couldn't build and send interstellar spaceships to other stars, the energy needed to push a colony ship weighing a few megatons up to 10% lightspeed is minuscule amount of power compared to the power output of a star.

>>12482849
I never understand why aliens would ever crash on a planet. If your civilization is advanced enough to traverse the stars you'll probably forward think enough to train and augment your pilots/AI to fly your ships properly.

>>12482855
I’m pretty sure an orion fission rocket could reach other stars. It’s not outlandish to think that a civilization could control a stellar neighborhood with this tech. Especially if their sun system started out with multiple stars and multiple planets. This would allow them to get good at colonizing, and producing more orion rockets and going to the next star

>>12482851
>Why would interstellar space behave any more differently than regular interplanetary space?

It’s really big.

>>12482859
Then problem just becomes a matter of scale rather than anything fundamental.

>>12482859
nigga, an ocean is bigger than a lake, but you can cross both with a boat. You just need a bigger boat for the ocean

>>12482857
It becomes a lot easier with an interplanetary economy that can support beamed propulsion.

>>12482855
>If it does turn out for some reason that interstellar travel is impossible discussing aliens is largely moot to begin with

We could still beam .pngs of Pepe at them

>That said there's no known reason why you couldn't couldn't build and send interstellar spaceships to other stars, the energy needed to push a colony ship weighing a few megatons up to 10% lightspeed is minuscule amount of power compared to the power output of a star.

That’s great but prove we can utilize energy in a spaceship of that scale

>>12482864
Prove you can cross a radioactive ocean gorillions of miles long and deep with no ability to resupply for decades

>>12482875
Just take lots of deenz.
And powdered milk.

>>12482875
That's why you grow your food on board, and radiation can be taken care of with protective layers

>>12482866
>Muh sci fi nonsense tech

Oh yeah and the heccin naniterinnos are gonna terraform Mars for us

>>12482885
Beamed propulsion is just a big laser

>>12482879
>just make an impossibly big spaceship and if you need more big, use more fuel, and if you need more fuel to push more fuel, add more fuel

>>12482889
>impossibly big
Wouldn't you say that modern cargo vessels are impossibly big compared to frigates 400 years ago?

>>12482892
No because they use metal, but modern cargo ships are pretty much at the size limit. During waves, you can see the whole ship wobble and wave by looking down hallways

>>12482885
>a powerful laser and a reflective surface is implausible
If you're gonna continue to post bait at least put some effort into it

>>12482894
They're not at their physical limit, but at their practical limit. You can make much bigger ships, but you'd have to use much stronger materials and engineering methods.
I'm pretty sure if humanity decided to send a generation ship to Alpha Centauri, I'd be several kilometers across atleast, and use fairly expensive materials

>>12482897
All of that futuristic nonsense is implausible. I honestly don’t believe technology will improve after about twenty years from now

when will we see the first starship reentry bros? i gotta see that shit

>>12482903
The development of technology has shown to be accelerating, so we have no idea what tech would look like in 20 years.
Smart phones came into existence about 12 years ago, and now it's weird to not have a micro computer in your pocket

>>12482903
What are you, the Francis Fukuyama of science or some shit?

>>12482905
Why is it called "reentry" instead of just "entry"
?

Cool

>>12482911
because you re-enter the atmosphere after leaving

>>12482915
when did you first enter though

>>12482933
Birth

>>12482914
What's up with the ring of spikes on top of that barrel section

>>12482905

Pretty soon they are going to have like a dozen starships just sitting around waiting to go, they aren't going to be able to test the things fast enough because of FAA niggers.

>>12482885
/sfg/ is full of popsci pie in the sky garbage pseudo ints that eat up the shit they watch on Isaac Arthur's yt channel

>>12482908
lol nearly all technology has stagnated with only few exceptions (silicon, musk's ventures). if you think muh transistors the end all be all of "technology" you are blind to the stagnation in innovation that began in the 70s. save for computer advancements, the average american home is technologically indistinguishable from one in the 70s, decor aside. it's embarrassing, and maybe a sign of cultural collapse. hell, we may well have lost all progress in spaceflight if not for the fluke that is spacex.

>>12482936
help align barrels when stacking

>>12482915
Ok i kind of get it
We started out in the atmosphere so "entry" sounds weird.
Like if you went out of the house, you'd say you're "re-entering the house" when you go back inside.
I still don't like it.

>>12482966
Makes sense, seems like a pain to weld/bolt all of those though. Would have thought some kind of jig would be easier.

>>12482963
Batteries are loads better.

>>12482914
I love the steel of the early age of airliners and these Starships are beautifully reviving that aesthetic.

The SLS green run is so exciting guys! We are on the precipice of a new era of sustainable spaceflight
R-right?

>>12482963
Are you stupid or just pretending?
We're living in the most advanced time in human history and you're complaining because we don't have hoverboards or some scifi shit?
Comparing the modern world to the 70's and saying that nothing has changed is like taking a Tesla and comparing it to a model T and saying that nothing is different.
Nothing has "stagnated", because it's ramping up.

>>12482976
I want my Vulkan-Hurcules so bad, I don't care what rituals I would have to do to in order to resurrect Glushko to get it built.

>>12482984
The 20th century was pretty underwhelming compared to the 19th century though.
Compare 1800-1900, then 1900-2000

>>12482973
why do think that is? it's to power ever smaller silicon chips. and over the next decade battery innovation comes directly catalyzed by tesla. computers and musk's projects are a tiny sliver of human technology, and we've collectively dragged our feet for half a century

>>12482986
It's underwhelming if you don't actually pay attention to what happened.
Things went from shit to OK in 1800-1900 but the most significant changes have happened after the second world war

Funny how this alleged stagnation correlates 1:1 with offshoring of manufacturing.

>>12482984
>>12482963
I think you could argue shit like household appliances have really not changed much in a long long time. Airlines are flying 30 year old planes and older. The US lost human access to cislunar space, and in 2011 lost capability to send people to LEO. Without Musk, that trajectory was downright fucked, and SpaceX was very close to failing early on. Good points, need to think about this more. 70s was when Apollo was cancelled, US manufacturing outsourcing began, political class became inept/incompetant/evil, wages stagnated

>>12482001
>BEVEL :DDDDD

>>12482197
Build a RotorDyne

>>12482997
>Airlines are flying 30 year old planes and older
And the B52 is now about 70 years old, and anticipated to keep flying until the design and even individual planes are 100 years old.
And the M2 machine gun was designed by John Browning for the Great War and is still the standard heavy machine gun for the US Army.

>>12483012

>>12482984
no, i'm talking about mundane things. some examples being household utilities, furniture, air conditioning, clothes, etc. things that affect you every day. all have been utterly fucking stagnant from a technology standpoint. of course we're living in the most advanced time, because while most of technology has stagnated, computers still advanced. it's possible computers can help uplift other sectors but it's either very gradual or imagined improvements. like musk always says, technology doesnt improve automatically, it takes a lot of hard work and dedicated people to make it improve. and for most sectors in the US economy, technology has not improved

>>12483018
>furniture
OK now I'm curious. What advancements in furniture do you think there should have been that don't involve jamming computers everywhere?

>>12482985
I want my nuclear powered UR-700

>>12483012
Man...imagine if Musk had a serious military venture. They might solve rail guns or invent some unknown unthinkable horrifying weaponry. Cutting edge shit, not like these boomer defense contractors, and cheaper too

>>12482908
>The development of technology has shown to be accelerating

Meme that died like 30 years ago. Technological growth has been pretty stagnant for years; the only real change being more computers for people to waste time staring into.

>>12483025
VGH WHAT COVLD HAVE BEEN ...

>>12483028
>Technology has stagnated
>Apart from the technology that hasn't
What do you think advancement in technology means?

>>12482973
Batteries stagnated with lithium-ion and alternatives remain memes

>>12483030
In some ways I'm mad the Soviet Union stagnated and collapsed. It would have been interesting just to see what a society where economic planning was fully computerised (as Viktor Glushkov proposed) would be run like and engineering projects like this could be developed.

>>12483018
>technology makes life worse overall
>make even more technology to make life even worse
>???
>profit

>>12483033
Well usually when we talk about “technology”, we mean technology as a whole, not one specific subsector of technology (which is itself stagnating literally right now).

>>12483024
i have no clue, i'm not an innovator or a gay futurist. maybe materials could be more interesting instead of building things out of wood (or sawdust + plastic for cheap stuff). furniture that doesnt creak or age, paint that doesnt fade, hinges that dont wear out. something less crude than screws and nails to hold things together. obv the technology got to a state where it was good enough. why innovate if everyone is content and happily paying for the same ole? i just look at the world and see computers improving but not a whole lot else. like i said, maybe computers can save other sectors and spur innovation, but most industries seem to stop innovating when whatever technology is "good enough"

>>12483036
It would still be faggy and no one would believe in it, which was the real cause of the collapse.

>>12483024
Went down the the Big box store the other day and saw a "smart couch"

>connects to wifi
>built in mini fridge and heating/cooling drinks holders in the armrests
>USB chargers and wireless charging pads in every armrest
>app to raise and lower the leg rests, control the temperature of the fridge and drink holders, look inside the fridge through a camera
>built in Bluetooth connected speakers

>>12482984
>my iPhone got slightly smaller omg fuckin technology tree!!!111

Maybe you should get away from (((Technology)))for a while and explore the woods.

>>12483038
this is what i'm trying to get across. technology is a encompassing term. computers are a small part of total human technology. language, writing, and speech are all technologies that benefit from innovation, albeit super gradually. we have people here that grew up equating technology only with computer advancements

>>12483042
Yep. Its hard to match their visions of the future that you saw in magazines like Technology for Youths, and the crumbling reality where no-one believed in anything, but couldn't see an alternative. So they just carried on with the fakery of Soviet life.

>>12483036
It should have never existed to begin with, but it's collapse and the way that it did so was still bad. It would at least have been less awful if Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus were still in the same country after it was all over, because those were the only republics that were really worth a shit.

>>12483018
Well a lot of household stuff is pretty much as good as it could get without adding technology into it. TVs are constantly getting better as are phones and whatnot. But like how can you make a Bed better or some shit?

>>12483034
yeah, even musk only sees incremental improvement in li ion over the next 10 years

>>12483047
Transistor technology is plateauing because physics don’t allow magically infinitely increasing density. Some of the most powerful computers ever made are being made recently but it’s literally just sticking together a bunch of normal processors to make one big computer. So dumb.

>>12483037
i'm arguing in favor of innovation and technology you nitwit. my point is innovation is relegated to too few sectors

Reminder that “Return to Monke” fags are retarded. I am willing to debate anyone who thinks that giving up technology will somehow make their life better.

>MonkeFags want to give up pic related in exchange for walking around the forest in a loincloth

>>12483039
>but most industries seem to stop innovating when whatever technology is "good enough"
That's true of everything. You hit a cost wall where the improvements make it unaffordable to mass produce.

>>12483051
>But like how can you make a Bed better or some shit?
Memory foam mattresses, I guess... but those are still pretty niche.

>>12483051
>my heccin TVarinno got more pixels on it so I can watch heccin Marvel movies in higher definition

Was all this shit really worth the rape of the human condition and the natural world?

>>12483058
>Dude give up all your belongings
Faggot hippy

>>12483051
A lot of household appliances have regressed, using inferior shitty components, plastic junk everywhere. Surely by now, after a century of making washing machines or whatever you could identify the most common failing parts and beef them up massively and construct them from long lasting materials. There is no reason that a fridge, oven or washing machine couldn't last a hundred years with basic maintenance.

>>12483024
>>12483045
Ive enough usb ports to deal with. I have a usb port up my ass :(

>>12483061
Bingo

>>12483056
Would you say smartphones have improved the world? Because I would make them anathema in a heartbeat and society would demonstrably improve. You can travel to Mars and live on a colony there without certain harmful technologies.

>>12483056
>You’d rather roam the forest under a beautiful blue sky pursuing deer instead of sitting in a cramped metal can eating freeze-dried gunk for months with nothing but black void outside? Pfft

>>12483045
The west has stagnated so hard that the only thing they can think of is to make household shit “smart” by giving it utterly pointless abilities to connect to the internet so Amazon can spy on you more

>>12483051
household stuff IS technology. you dont put technology INTO it. you innovate in design, materials, function. take the true function of a bed. jamming computers into my bed doesnt necessarily equate to a better bed. computers are a kind of technology, not THE ONLY technology. you could make ever more comfortable beds. i'm sleeping on memory foam but that is old tech. imagine a bed that keeps you warm but doesnt make you uncomfortably sweaty. or even self cleaning sheets. just spitballing

>>12483055
Innovation and technology got humans into the miserable spot we are now. If there’s a light at the end of the tunnel, it’s far from in sight.

>>12483066
Have you actually lived outdoors before? It’s fun but it’s not as romantic as you chalk it up to be. Also if you sprain your ankle and can’t walk properly or cut your arm and get gangrene, you’re dead.

>>12483065
I agree that smartphones and their consequences have sucked greatly. However I’m talking about people who want to rid the world of ALL technology. But I do agree yeah social media is awful.

>>12483073
ok you dont need to be a doomer about it

>>12483056
>I am willing to debate anyone who thinks that giving up technology will somehow make their life better.

I stopped using social media and stopped using the internet as much and life definitely got better.

>>12483073
How miserable is your life, man? I mean lots of people are having a great time. And compare your life to your ancestors thousands of years ago I guarantee they’d give their left nut to spend a day in your shoes.

>>12483061
>There is no reason that a fridge, oven or washing machine couldn't last a hundred years with basic maintenance.

Manufacturers don’t give a fuck about that; they want to make money, and that means regular replacement.

>>12483056
none of what i said endores or encourages luddism unless you're an illiterate retard

>>12483081
I agree with you brah (can’t delete social media because I’m in Uni and I still have to talk to people to not look like a recluse) but you still use the internet, right? You still drive a car? If you’re sick, you take medicine? You still reap the benefits of the modern world brah

>>12483085
I agree, nonetheless the point is that this area of technology has stagnated and then regressed.

>>12483061
Remember the Arianespace guy who refused to make reusable rockets because the market was only so large? Same concept. If your product lasts a hundred years then once you saturate your target market, your sales are pinned to population growth as a maximum. Companies don't like that. The only way products like that survive is as part of mega conglomerates selling thousands of types of them.

>>12483077
>Have you actually lived outdoors before? It’s fun but it’s not as romantic as you chalk it up to be

Certainly better than sitting in a literal metal can

>>12483085
that's why we need to clone musk to absolutely fucking btfo every goddamn industry that operates like this. starting with fucking medicine and insurance

>>12483077
>I agree that smartphones and their consequences have sucked greatly. However I’m talking about people who want to rid the world of ALL technology

Not even fucking Ted wants to get rid of all technology.

>>12483045
That's like putting a clock on everything like they did in the 90s.

>>12483083
>How miserable is your life, man? I mean lots of people are having a great time

Depression and suicide and other mental illnesses are markedly more common now than they were decades ago. The favorite solution among futurists to these problems are literal microchips in people’s heads.

>And compare your life to your ancestors thousands of years ago I guarantee they’d give their left nut to spend a day in your shoes.

They’d actually just be really confused then run screaming into the horizon because their surroundings seemingly feature sorcery. I’d have much rather been one of them, since the highlights of my life consist of things they’d do regularly.

Tesla stock is probably as high as it is because, as dumb as it sounds, people believe in Musk and his vision of the future. Who else is running companies full of raw, unfettered innovation? His two companies have been the two most attractive to engineering grads for years now.

>>12483051
>how can you make a Bed better
More comfy

>>12483106
Yeah, just imagine how much more Musk could do if he controlled the government instead of a company. Central planning, Ho!

>>12483104
Futurists should be fucking spaced. They've absolutely brainwashed our society

>>12483109
Better to throw it out and start anew. Enter Mars

>>12483106
I've heard of this explanation before. That Musk is face of techno-optimism and thus people are willing to throw money at his companies' stocks, even if it leads to the bizarre situation where a company with 0.4% of its industry's market share has a plurality of its capitalization.

>>12483110
It follows logically from secular utilitarianism. If the point of life is to maximize wellbeing and minimize suffering then it makes perfect sense to just mutilate the human brain with creepy Borg tech until we don’t feel “bad” things and experience the sensation of slamming ten thousand heroin needles every second, so we can just lay on the floor experiencing “maximum utility” drooling while roombas clean up the mess and grow nutrient slime to feed us. Genuinely something people on LessWrong think sounds cool

>>12483115
I think Cramer of all people has entertained this idea. He explained that's why Virgin Galactic stock is high too, so of course retail investors are still dumb on net, intentions are obscure. it cant just be to make money short term, the fuckers just wont sell :)

Maybe they really do want to help Musk out, or show they're behind him. Possible that a lot of people buying Tesla think they're buying into SpaceX too haha

>>12483126
SpaceX buys shit from Tesla often.

>>12483126
>Possible that a lot of people buying Tesla think they're buying into SpaceX too haha

I mean they sort of are. Tesla stocks are going to be Elons personal Mars slush fund.

Just woke up from a dream where I'm part of the fisrt crew to land on the moon with Starship. We started building a house and the toilet wouldn't fucking flush.

>>12483129
Not talking about that. I mean retards that watch SN8's test flight and rush to buy more Tesla due to the success

>>12483122
hahaha good post

>>12483137
Doesn’t SpaceX have hidden shareholders we don’t really know the identity of?

>>12483146
>hidden shareholders
I'm pretty sure every company has a few jews that are willing buy their stock

>>12483146
I would absolutely love a breakdown of SpaceX investors and how much theur stakes are. Maybe even stated reasons for their investing. Good topic for cost-plus content, wink wink

>>12483136
because toilet technology has stagnated...

>>12483156
There’s “”””””smart””’”””” toilets for those who are simultaneously retarded and rich.

>>12483157
how many pixels does it have?

>>12483122
This is the ultimate endpoint of materialism. UBI is the first step
>if you're get paid for nothing, you have no logical reason to feel dissatisfied

>>12483166
can it run doom?

>>12482625
some anon had sex a few months back

>>12482936
Keeps the gigapidgeons away.

OH NO NO NO NO Body Odor bros, what did Steve mean by this? o_o

>>12483353
WHAT THE FUCK DOES HE MEAN BY THIS BROS WHAT IS HE SAYING

>>12482013
Bottom Boomer Booster

>>12483357
>>12483353
Jeff is gonna be angry-simping Consuela tonight

There are only three launches left in the year. Think there will be any suprise launches?
>19 - Falcon 9 - spysat
>20 - Long March 8 - tech demo
>28 - Soyuz - spysat

>>12483353
>>12483357
Based Jurveston. Even tho Astra is still suborbital, it's important to bully Bezos and BO at every chance. Bullying is absolutely vital if we want to light a fire under them to actually accomplish something.

>>12481938
>spend tens of billions so your hardware works right out of the box
>it doesn't remotely work right out of the box

>>12481892
>tfw no proxima centaurian pen pal

>>12482720
>>12482709
>>12482720
The general rule for life is that few survive. Most animals don't make it to adulthood. 99+% of species that lived on earth are now extinct. I see no reason for this rule to magically become more kind when applied to larger systems.

>>12482736
>if the aliens were friendly such as them giving humans the specs to a basic fusion reactor
I wonder if they would do this. Those specs would be sweet, but at the same time they'd be robbing us of the ability to discover it for ourselves. Our history would say that "aliens gave us this shit because we sucked too much to do it ourselves".
Furthermore, we're probably not mature enough for the tech. Giving people in the middle ages nuclear tech would be a terrible fucking idea because they're not mature enough to use it wisely.

>>12483129
the tesla powertrain is used to move the flaps in current starship prototypes. Pretty cool

>>12483353
>>12483357
BO's shit was always a cope. You either kick ass or you don't. Their dumb saying is just a means to make them feel better about being in the latter camp. Bezo's worldview is highly flawed.