/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12468212
how do you manage to make a rocket look this unappealing

propalox upper stages when

>>12468235

Never. Hydromeme is unironicaly god-tier upper stage fuel choice.

>>12468228

Ask Firefly.

>>12468246
just use a normal fucking expanded fairing christ

>>12468246
What a weak payload capacity.

>>12468246
center the fucking flag

>>12468246
>a rocket that big
>only 4000kg to LEO
Hahahahaha are they for real?

>>12468246

how much does it cost?

>>12468265
>>12468285
It's only 5 meters taller than Electron, so it has a pretty payload capability for it's size

>France-based ArianeGroup has won a €33 million contract to develop a reusable first stage "demonstrator." As a result, a reusable rocket could be ready for orbital launch services by ... wait for it ... 2030.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1338857184986337281

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>>12466246
>hurr bongs cannot into space
>bongs cannot into rocket engineering
They've made some decent progress over the last decade in developing air-breathing rocket engines that would allow for the creation of a SSTO spaceplane:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SABRE_(rocket_engine)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylon_(spacecraft)

>>12468322
At this point even /sfg/ should be eligible for a "reusable demonstrator" contract.

>>12468285
>>12468265
how big you think it is?

>>12468334

Looking at this chart again...not a single Canadian astronaut is slotted to fly in the next three years? I'm sure at least one will pop up, but lol wtf.

>>12468331
BWC masterrace

>>12468228
The actual firefly rocket is pretty cool. Neat paint job

>>12468322
The idea that all these oldspace companies are going to be testing their Falcon 9 derivatives long after Starship is flying regularly is very funny to me

>>12468349
>yes, we could send the sattelite up to LEO using our new reusable booster
>or we could send it to the surface of Mars for 1/10th the cost

>>12468342
Dragon slots seems to be American commander + American pilot, and then either American astronaut, or an European one, while the last seat is reserved for Japanese.

>>12468342
There's going to be alot of periods when there are 10-14 people on the ISS at the same time.

>>12468212
That's not a name you should give to a project you don't want canceled.

Now that Brazil is a member of Artemis it will be diplomatically impossible for the new admin to cut it.

>>12468363
Ouch.

>>12468364
I didn't even know brazil had a space agency

>>12468364
can they cancel SLS, but keep Artemis?

>>12468364
Musk better not get too uppity on Mars either.

>>12468372
we didnt know either

>>12468375
Legally, no. SLS was signed into law by Congress in one of the few times they all agreed on something (during a time when they were the least productive no less). Stopping SLS requires Congress to come together again

>>12468380
Well then what does brazil bring to artemis if their space agency is so obscure?

>>12468212
they have some pretty cool ideas

>>12468381
SLS can do its required launches, but eventually those will run out and SLS will be retired.

>>12468384
apparently they want to send down some rovers

>>12468386
their smallsat launcher is quite a bit bigger than electron

>>12468395
Let me guess, on an SLS?

>>12468325
Skylon is never actually happening. The little passing interest that led to it getting less than 1% of the funding expected for development (half of it from the US, including the facilities to actually test the relevant pieces) is due to the national security interest of maneuvering hypervelocity jets, not the actual SSTO.

>>12468387
You don't quite understand your situation.
Everyting BUT the SLS will be retired.

>>12468387
Will they though? Would it be more likely that they'll drag on completing those launches so that the contracts last for as long as possible? They're already taking their sweet time doing a test fire. They could easily come up with excuses to push back launches.

>>12468325
> The aerospace industry of the United Kingdom is the fourth-largest national aerospace industry in the world and the third largest in Europe, with a global market share of 12% in 2018. In 2013, the industry employed 84,000 people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerospace_industry_in_the_United_Kingdom
I was disappointed at the level of ignorance on display yesterday.

>>12468414
Are you retarded or just deliberately obtuse? 99% of the aerospace industry is planes.

>>12468421
>>12468414
Also what is it worth having 84,000 people employed if nothing comes out of it? At least nothing relevant or known enough to be discussed here. As anon said, it is almost everything just the "aero" part of aerospace. I imagine the "space" part is mostly barrels of pork.

Electron's 2nd stage has some impressive acceleration: https://youtu.be/AmbjFv3wa68?t=1188

The launch itself has pretty kino

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>>12468461
rocket fractals!

>>12468386
>>12468397
Nice. I hope they build Gamma.

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>>12468421
>>12468437
I was addressing the assertion that the UK is barely relevant in aerospace - which, as I think I've shown, is complete bollocks. In any case this all started with my suggestion that the UK has strengths in a number of areas that are transferable to spaceflight. I stick by that

>>12468447
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>>12468461
The way the first stage exhaust expands makes me think of an octopus

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>>12468447
plume shortly after launch

How good is H202 + RP1 as a long-term-storable orbital propellant?

I'm trying to decide on the fuel system for my imaginary crewed spaceplane. It's about 2/3 the length of the Shuttle and about 1/4 its gross weight, potentially small enough to be mounted on a Falcon Heavy, where the orbiter replaces the second stage. As an added quirk, it will have variable sweep wings like an F-14 with slotted fowler flaps and leading edge krueger flaps that give gliding performance so nimble it can land just about anywhere it fucking wants, possibly (hypothetically during an emergency) even on a public highways.

>>12468469
>the UK has strengths in a number of areas that are transferable to spaceflight.
Well I do agree on that. If put the effort I think that some crazy shit would come out of it.

>>12468212
WTF is this shit and why it has 1st/2nd stages while in orbit.

>>12468363
Just don't let Fox get involved and you'll probably be okay.

>>12468384
we got a very nice launch pad

>>12468505
What launches from it?

>>12468469
Aerospace is an entrenched industry which struggles with innovation and is almost entirely focused on optimizing what already exists. This approach transfers poorly and inefficiently to spaceflight (see:Boing) because the entrenched incumbent industry is based on poor principles and optimizing it only polishes a turd. This means the UK, which doesn't have the will or precedent to throw spare funds into an empty void to make up for that inefficiency, cannot meaningfully translate those industries to spaceflight.

>>12468500
>why it has 1st/2nd stages while in orbit.
because it's a picture made by the marketing department

>>12468497
>How good is H202 + RP1 as a long-term-storable orbital propellant?
The H2O2 would decompose over time. The Soyuz capsule uses H2O2 for it's RCS and that's the reason why it can't stay in space for longer than 6 months

>>12468515

Maybe some oxidizer that can be stored long term but can be catalyzed to decompose into oxygen on demand?

N2O2?

>>12468507
Birds

>>12468519
At that point, why not just use cryogenic oxygen?

>>12468497

Spaceplanes are memes

Your project's only hope is a fat grant from the DOD who will want to use it to yoink Chinese satellites.

>>12468526
>Your project's only hope is a fat grant from the DOD who will want to use it to yoink Chinese satellites.
this or to kidnap taikonauts

>>12468349
i don't think the americans will be sharing the tech so it's better to get on with it than not make an inch of progress at all

>>12468507
it is on a good geografic position, but it hasnt seen any use latelly an i dont know its capabilites

>>12468545
It's nice that there are so many towers there so the VAB doesn't get lonely.

>>12468545
Cute little pad.

>>12468545
based, we love brasil

>>12468212
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>>12468285
Thankfully they fixed it, and now it's basically a black Falcon 9 1.0 with 8000kg to LEO. They originally agreed to use that Aerojet Rocketdyne engine that lost to the BE-4 to power the Vulcan, but now they want to develop their own "Reaver 2" engine for it which is comparable to a Merlin.
tldr it's still a paper rocket

astra launch soon?

>>12468384
Artemis Accords isn't about collaborating on space efforts, it's about the US trying to politic its way out of all the international treaties that make the exploitation of space resources illegal. Basically we're going to every country we know we can browbeat into signing a document saying it's ok for us to go out and settle other planets and mine asteroids so that when Russia and China throw a fit about us breaking the Outer Space Treaty and the Moon Treaty (not that we ever signed that anyway) we can point at the Artemis Accords and tell them to go fuck themselves.

>>12468555
fuck blacks

>>12468555
Which time is the charm, again?

>>12468555
astra bankruptcy soon my bro

>>12468562
The Artemis Accords are based on the OST though.

>>12468564
Are the logos on the booster customers or sponsors? I can spot the Marines and Autodesk logos. Either way, looks ugly.

>>12468562
You should instead get them to fight each other into dissolution. Please. Preferably without nukes.

>>12468569
Based on the US interpretation of the OST, which is to say it puts it in the trash mostly ;)

>>12468562
The US knows that the Outer Space Treaty will be broken eventually. It has no provisions for when a member of the treaty breaks it, and thus no real motivation for its members to uphold it other than to seem nice. The Artemis Accords allows for any treaty member who agrees to them to do things that would normally break the treaty but in a way that is regulated and controlled so all hell doesn't break loose

>>12468562
This is pretty on point. Kind of surprised how little the press is covering this angle. As the US is the only country with a snowball's chance in hell of serious space colonization efforts in the next few decades, they're going to be unilaterally setting the standards regardless of international agreements. At the same time, legitimacy is a good thing.

Reminder humans will NEVER leave the solar system and any imagination of humans boarding such a ship capable of leaving it is impossible due to the amount of energy needed to reach even a fraction of the speed of light. It's equivalent to imagining a chariot that can fly before airplanes were invented. The ONLY truly viable way to visit other star systems is to starshot microscopic self-repairable von neumann probes at 20%-50% c that will "infect" a distant planet, reproduce there and perhaps create an artificial uterus to birth a human body whereby a human mind can be uploaded (or perhaps just taught what to do there by robot teachers). If the latter is too hard, then at least the robots can explore those systems for us alone so we can recreate a simulation of them on earth before genetic engineering and brain upload/download technology actually catches up.

The space review posted a bit piece against spacex.

>>12468596
It's absolutely physically and technologically possible. The biggest hurdle is making sure humanity establishes a sufficient foothold in the solar system for a space-fairing society to last long enough to undertake such a project.

>>12468596
Reminder that nobody reads these

>>12468596
Based, they hated him because for he had told them they truth

>>12468597
huh?

>>12468596
Much like your flying chariot example it current rockets are the dumbest way we could've done it. Need to go further? Just strap more high explosive compound to your ass

>>12468608
huh?

>>12468597
what?

>>12468597
who?

>>12467842
it's Cirno because /sci/ is retarded

>>12468596
Based and redpilled, technology will never advance further than what we have in 2020. Period.

>>12468596
Don't care nigga, we were literally born during the golden age of Solar System exploration. That's a problem for future generations

>>12468596
>humans will NEVER leave the solar system
And? The solar system is big enough for all of us, at least for the next million years

>>12468597
Why?

>>12468609
No, I don't think I will

>>12468597
Sorta suspected that when Jeff's article on sn8 explosion was bit negative than many other space journalists. I wonder what made him go down the negative path.

>>12468361
is that because Elon is a weeb or because Japan was the first to sign up for it and stole all the spots

>>12468608
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>>12468625
https://thespacereview.com/article/4090/1
Jeff Foust article. From a quick skim, I think he's calling Musk too ambitious and SpaceX not open enough about Starship development.

>>12468620
no its not. get out

>>12468235
I'm still waiting for the lithium-fluorine ones

>>12468632
These doomer tier opinions are unhealthy.

>>12468632
>SpaceX not open enough about Starship development.
What do they want him to do, weld Starship together in a big open field in front of everyone? Maybe with livestreaming cameras pointing at the site all the time?
Fuck's sake, that'd be retarded.

>>12468555
they must re-erect their BBC rocket after it was cut off
>>12468565
lol

>>12468604
Reminder if he spaced his post you would accuse him of "reddit spacing".

>>12468632
Bizarre, what's up ol Fousty's ass? How tf can SpaceX be more open, you can literally see everything theyre doing down there lmao. Also too ambitious? that sounds terrible, SpaceX should be more like Boeing instead, tone down the ambition? wtf jeffrey

>>12468642
No, dumbass.
You just need to make a like break without dividing the bloody red sea.

>>12468632
Name one aerospace company more open than musk

>>12468649
Exos
>tfw no SpaceX employees openly shitposting on /sci/

>>12468631
SpaceX wouldn't have any authority on who rides on a NASA mission. Probably just that JAXA and ESA are our closest space agency allies so we want to spread the wealth and keep them from working with China.

>>12468555
God an alaskan launch pad is so cool, I wish Astra wasnt incompetent, I'd rather go work in Alaska than Boca Chica

>>12468652
oh, is it Big Jim who's a weeb

>>12468651

why would they be shitposting when they should slaving away in the starship mines?

>>12468655
probably especially cool from the chill of the high wind in your face

>>12468651
>12 employees
>no attempt at even reaching space let alone any path to orbit

Hmmm

>>12468661
they're trying to make a rapidly resuable sounding rocket, which is pretty cool

>>12468642
No, dumbass.
You just need to make a line break without dividing the bloody red sea.

>>12468632
>and SpaceX not open enough about Starship development.
Yes. It is leally, leally hald to study.

>>12468632
>spacex has the most ambitious timelines
>spacex fails to meet those timelines
>spacex still completes projects at breakneck speed
hmmmm I wonder if being overly ambitious is part of the secret sauce, no? i honestly cant fucking believe there are retards out there that says musk should make his timelines more realistic. All that would do is remove the sense of urgency and shit would take twice as long

>>12468665
every one of their tests failed....

>>12468670
Purease to be making exclusion zone smarrer Eron

>>12468678
they're getting better
also their rocket streams are cool

>>12468665
Doubtful they are really trying because it ain’t that hard

>>12468645
>Bizarre, what's up ol Fousty's ass?
I wasn't aware this dude existed until he showed up at the Starship Q&A looking like SpaceX' disappointed father and ever since I only see articles like this where he's just angry about nothing. I get the sense he's just a cranky guy.

>>12468349
you can't jump from single use hydrolox+SRB medium class rocket to multiple times reusable, minimal maintenance methalox super-heavy (and beyond) class rocket
there have to be several design iterations (spaceX went from Falcon 1 to Grasshopper to F9 to FH to dozen of SN testing vehicles as of now)

but yeah, 2030 is WAY too fucking late for Falcon 9 killer
they should have started this development 10 years ago, have reusable methalox boosters/lower stage for Ariane 6 by now and start planning what to do next

I mean imagine it's 1940's, Douglas is making fortune with DC-3s and Boeing promised to make 307 Stratoliner by 1970 to compete with DC-10

>>12468632
>SpaceX has kept many details about Starship testing close to the vest. While many reports stated that the vehicle flew to an altitude of 12.5 kilometers on last week’s flight, that was simply the planned altitude for the test. SpaceX hasn’t disclosed exactly high it flew. It also didn’t release a flight profile, as it does with Falcon 9 launches, thus we can’t compare the flight we saw with what the company planned. For example, did the Raptor engines shut down during the vehicle’s ascent according to plan, or for other reasons? The company’s webcast appears to show a brief fire in the engine bay after the first engine shut down, which, at the very least, seems undesirable.
what the fuck is his point? That testing Starship is a matter of national concern and should be completely public? The whole article is just blowing smoke, not worth reading.

>>12468678
fuck off thunderf00t

>>12468689
He's generally a great reporter and writer, asks a lot of great questions at events. But yeah, maybe I don't quite have his personality pinned down

>>12468331
>don't talk to me or my wife's son ever again

>>12468616
Good point

>>12468697
seething exos stan. they will never be as cool as armadillo aerospace. they will never supply engines to rocket racing league. jim will never ride your motors through augmented reality. give up faggot, because you're a massive embarrassment to yourself and others. quit living in the past

>>12468632
lmao what a retarded article

>>12468702
i love these little girls <3

>>12468691
By 2030 it will be possible to 3D print 18m Starship in your garage

>>12468632
Not really all that negative, just critical of the timeline.

>>12468645
Those who cannot do become journalists. PhD in planetary sciences and his day job is critiquing SpaceX of all things. What a sorry existence

>>12468603
>It's absolutely physically and technologically possible
He didn't say it's impossible. He said the way it's imagined today (basically like an aircraft that travels in space super fast) is completely backwards.

For example, imagine in 1530 somebody said
>dude, what if we like, invented a pigeon carrier, that can go SUPER FAST across the globe so then we can communicate instantaneously!
Today, we do have near-instantaneous communication but not because we invented a supersonical pigeon cause that's a fundamentally stupid idea (an that was perhaps the only available one at the time, but one that inevitably turned out to be stupid nonetheless).

>>12468675
VP of aerojet rocketdyne is right. elon should at least double his timelines. surely spacex got to where they are by talent alone and not by setting lofty goals. goal setting is silly! we'll get to mars eventually. how does 2050 sound to you, anon? more realistic?

>>12468603
>It's absolutely physically and technologically possible
He didn't say it's impossible. He said the way it's imagined today (basically like an aircraft that travels in space super fast) is completely backwards.

For example, imagine in 1530 somebody said
>dude, what if we like, invented a pigeon carrier, that can go SUPER FAST across the globe so then we can communicate instantaneously!
Today, we do have near-instantaneous communication but not because we invented a supersonical pigeon cause that's a fundamentally stupid idea (which was perhaps the only available one at the time, but one that inevitably turned out to be stupid nonetheless).

>>12466907
>>12466900
fuck you anon, i was in the middle of something before i drew this.

>>12468770
GET IN THE ROBOT SHINJI

>>12468770
one day you will draw me lewd starships and i will coooom

>>12468770
CUTE

>>12468694
Think its more going after the perceived openness that starship has as it is being built in plan sight. I wouldn't be surprised if the only reason spacex had their own bare bones webcast was because you had like 10+ youtube streams going to happen anyway.

>>12468770
propellant tanks

>>12468662
Funny

>>12468770
Your style seems familiar, have you ever drawfagged on other boards within the past 2-3 years?

>>12468811
Were you born yesterday? Spacex and musk had been very open since the beginning.

>>12468655
judging by all the weather scrubs, it's a shit place to launch from unless you're roscosmos

>>12468840
>use launch criteria developed for Florida weather
>surprised when it's a poor match for the atmospheric conditions in Alaska

New video! What do you guys think about Virgin and the points I make in the video? Also went off the script a lot, trying to get used to it.

https://youtu.be/xMt57gcnUxY

>>12468852
>jewtube

>>12468678
If everyone gave up because of failure, we'd still be running around like apes.

>>12468844
why the hell is astra using florida launch criteria instead of what they think their rocket can handle?
and if their rocket can only handle florida weather, what the hell are they doing competing for a program that wants a rocket that can launch quickly anywhere?

>>12468831
i have. mostly on /aco/ and a little bit on /a/. chances are though you're thinking of someone else though, i don't do it that often.

>>12468864
uh I was just memeing but I would believe it if you told me the FAA forced the issue

>>12468833
They have been, but it seems since the sn7.1 test to failure they've dialed back on the tech data. Compared to oldspace and bo this is still way more than anybody out there is sharing.

>>12468868
they've reached the stage where the numbers have real engineering meaning instead of "not quite good enough" and thus, ITAR

>>12468866
>chances are though you're thinking of someone else though
Yeah, I was assuming you were this drawfag from a few years ago because of how the lines of your sketches looked and that you drew girls with large fun bags.

>>12468840
Yeah but South Texas is way too hot, I prefer the cold.

>>12468859
Except they got all their IP from armadillo, and armadillo actually had viable products. Exos will be bankrupt soon enough, they're a fucking shell of an operation.

>>12468339
>they took this from us

>>12468911
>leg (unattached)

>>12468401
fuck. it's probably the sickest SSTO concept ever and if put into full production could probably compete with Starship on cost given proper EoS and even has a few advantages....

>>12468924
that leg managed to move itself pretty far from the impact

>>12468911
so I guess the pad did sustain a little bit a damage when the after flap crashed into it.

>>12468937
at least the SABRE engines are still in development. Though I'm not sure if their ability to use atmospheric oxygen makes up for their increased weight and complexity.

>>12468866
>>12468770
I want to fuck a Starship

>>12468944
It's not quite as 'dead center' as Elon was saying either, though on the pad at all is still impressive.

>>12468770
nakadashi

>>12468655
Good thing you'll never work for either one, no need to choose.

>>12468915

What are they going to do with SN5 and 6?

>>12468937
>compete with starship on cost

>$11000 kg to LEO

>complex nano-pipe cooling system in intake, large turbines, more complex heat shield requirements

anon, I....

>>12468342
You might be in luck
https://www.canada.ca/en/space-agency/news/2020/12/minister-bains-to-make-a-major-announcement-on-the-future-of-canadian-space-exploration.html
>On Wednesday, December 16, 2020, the Honourable Navdeep Bains, Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, will make a major announcement related to Canada's future in space exploration.
>Minister Bains will be joined virtually by Canadian Space Agency (CSA) President Lisa Campbell and CSA astronauts Jeremy Hansen, Joshua Kutryk, David Saint-Jacques and Jenni Sidey-Gibbons.

>>12468852
not bad

>>12468960
Considering the size of Starship, and the fact that it guided itself down to the pad with wings with very minimal lateral movement from raptors post-flip, its pretty dead center.

>>12468993
where are you getting that CPK? It's a fully reusable system designed for hundreds of reuses with minimal refurb

>>12468960
>quite as 'dead center' as Elon was saying
The landing pad is the bullseye. Considering it hit the pad at all its a perfect shot.

>>12469003
The accuracy was impressive for the first attempt, but you don't need to lie to get that point across. It wasn't dead center; it was barely on the pad.

>>12469012
>barely on the pad
now you're just lying in the other direction

>>12468960
true. The nosecone is in the center because the thing collapsed to the side.

But on the other hand if the engines hadn't failed the entire thing would have been closer to the center. Very good first attempt regardless.

>>12468993
it's just a fast plane lol

Some footage of the recent Angara-A5 launch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8OOYD-RpNw

>>12468770
Nice jugs, will we ever see her in full glory?

>>12469044
Russia is so boring now

>>12469044
that plume looks pretty cool

>>12469044
>its just the same launch footage from different angles
call me when they allow their engineers to strap on the Baikal flyback boosters

>>12469046
>in full glory
w-what do you mean?

>>12469046
anon, this a blue board

>>12469046
Starship is pure and not for lewding.

>>12468649
>>12468694

Wouldn't it be proper for SpaceX to keep such technical details a secret for now? They got a lead over everyone else in the industry, why give that up for free?

>>12469087
why would any private company feel compelled to keep the public apprised of their inner goals and projects to any level of detail? The only reason I can think of is because Starship is funded in part by government grants and awards, but that's a stupid stance to take if you don't uphold the same for literally the entire industry (and many other industries). It's just lashing out against SpaceX because he doesn't like the memes Musk puts on twitter.

>>12469112
>because he doesn't like the memes Musk puts on twitter
>"yeah starship is progressing pretty well, but musk's shitposting is trash i've seen Canadians that do better"
Maybe USG is filled with crypto-australians

>Starship SN9's starboard canard is repaired by engineers in Boca Chica, TX [Late December 2020, animefied]

>denim shirt and a white jacket
absolutely iconic look

>>12468470
Its because of the engine layout. Falcon 9 does the same thing.

>>12469083
Starship is STACKED, and so must be starship-chan.

>>12469128
this guy FUCKS

Elon planning on having another round of funding for SpaceX
https://archive.is/fRmE0

>>12469140
yeah
they're raising a normal amount of money with a very small amount of equity

>>12469010
>elonfags cope
lol

>>12469136
>Starship is STACKED, and so must be starship-chan.
So how plump is the 18m starship gonna be?

>>12468689
>Starship Q&A
Wait, have we still not had Elon's annual report this year, or did I miss it?

>>12468960
True but when you account for the seconds lost prior to the intended landing caused by the combustion failure it does look like it would've been dead center had things been slightly more nominal. So as others have said, the guidance system performed pretty much flawlessly.

>>12469087
SpaceX could literally make a “How to Build a Starship” video, detailing everything down to the weld process. Any country or aerospace company could easily replicate it. The hard part comes down to the engine. But even with the engines, the REALLY hard part is the software. I don’t know if the chicoms will be able to steal it from spacex

>>12469152
Imagine the braps on that one

>>12469163
They literally obtained the plans for the F35 off of US computers without ever setting foot on our soil. If they want spacex software they will get it.

>>12469171
Government infosec is honestly pretty trash. Wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX had better infosec procedures than the vast majority of government agencies, although that still probably won't stop a foreign government actor.

>>12469171
What if SpaceX puts the Tiananmen Square pasta into every file's header?

>>12469163
>The hard part comes down to the engine.
Wouldn't be that hard to buy from or collaborate with Russia on this front
>I don’t know if the chicoms will be able to steal it from spacex
Industrial espionage isn't that difficult and china is no novice in this regard.

>>12469171
how does that happen like just don't store that stuff on a server lmao?????

>>12469191
End every email and memo with Taiwan #1 and the Chinese will never hack anything again

>>12469193
Elon is a very complicated man, I can’t really figure him out. If starship’s plans and schematics and coding got stolen and built by the Chinease he would either laugh it off and post memes about it while welcoming the competition - or get super pissed and shut down the china tesla factory and ban starlink there and even ban chinks from flying on starship and going to mars.

>>12469199
Idk apparently it was a subcontractor for lockheed who did some stupid shit. Their newest generation fighter is literally just an F35 copy. Although they weren’t able to get every detail correct and they took a bunch of guesses. The thing looks retarded and will most likely get blown out of the sky by F22’s and drones firing missiles from miles away

>>12469203
>while welcoming the competition
This is probably the smarter of the two options. Musk cutting off china wouldn't hurt china that much, and would probably hurt him more.

>>12468342
punishing them for sucking chinese dong

>>12469208
they have the most trouble with high temperature metallurgy for the engines, they still haven't managed to move past Soviet engines on the J20. Soviet metallurgy was amazing, basically unrivaled until maybe Raptor.

#TheFutureIsFemale #BossBabe
I can't wait for a woman-led NASA to knock everyone's socks off!

>>12469239
oh god I miss pence already

>>12469241
https://youtu.be/mJEBgjQIekE

fuck congress

>>12469253
adam sandler gun.jpg

>>12469254
Likely looking to be a replacement flap since we saw the new one.

Which one, /sci/?

>>12469281
forward starboard flap

>>12469285
Isn’t it the port flap that got dinged up?

>>12469254

Impromptu testing to see if a damaged Starship can do the same maneuvers as SN8?

>>12469293
is it? I thought we were looking at the leeward side

>>12469295
clsing probably just means that SN9 is going from the build site to the launch site. Whole road has to be cleared for the move.

I though I'm surprised that it's heading down there so soon.

>>12469281
>>12469285
>>12469293

>>12469239
Is that McCain and RBG in the sky?

And who are the other two?

>>12469253
this is fine, who cares how much money NASA wastes. The real problem would be NASA deciding that human space exploration is an imperialist moral wrong and that legislation should be put forward to stop it.

>>12469297
>>12469304
Oh nevermind it is the starboard side that hit the wall. I thought it was oriented so the heatshield side was facing us (windward I guess?) but it’s not

>>12468212
Juche shuttle when?

>>12469309
Elijah Cummings and John Lewis

>>12468364
>it will be diplomatically impossible for the new admin to cut it.
You do know that Brazil was cut from the ISS right? So it is very possible for Brazil to be cut off from Artemis, this is more of a symbolic move if anything

>>12468691
>multiple times reusable
Thats what falcon 9 already is
Starship goal is airplane style reusability, almost zero refurbishment between flights, which is not too insane considering it uses methalox engines that leave no soot.

>>12469321
yeah, Starship is fairly unique in rockets in that there's a definite set of axes that you can give names to, instead of just xyz of which only one has a real name (forwards backwards)
forward - aft
port - starboard
windward - leeward

>>12469326
Hopefully never.
Space shuttles are a bad idea.

>>12469338
I take it windward is the heatshield side right? Everything else makes sense.

>>12469346
yeah

>>12469338
Maybe I'm just a brainlet but what makes port and starboard possible on Starship?

>>12468694
This faggot is retarded, elon even said that the engines performed fine during the flight. The shutdowns were completely planned, it was only the shit after the engine reignition that went wrong.

>>12468852
lets see

>>12469357
your feet to windwards and facing the bow, the starboard flaps will be on your right

>>12469245
just what I was thinking of, undeniable kino. We will miss him deeply once the reality of yas kween kamala sets in.

>>12469326
I love how the US baited every other country for 20 years with the shuttle.

>>12469367
that and hydrolox 1st stages. Lmao, pranked.

>>12469357
Imagine sitting in the cockpit of an airplane. Your left side is port and your right side is starboard. It’s the same for starship because you have a defined top and bottom side (heatshield is your “bottom”) and you have a front and back (nosecone is front engines are at the back)

>>12468349
Only reasonable explanation i can think of is that they probably think that Starship won't increase demand for LEO significantly, thus they don't need to make a reusable rocket quickly

Astra launch imminent. https://twitter.com/Astra

Shame there's no stream as far as I can tell.

>>12469390
Are they launching anything or is it just a test?

>>12469400
test. This is their 2nd if I have my facts straight. Their first test a few months ago didn't even pierce the clouds. Someone probably has the webm laying around

>>12469390
yeah if they're not gonna stream i'm just gonna root for it to crash and burn again

>>12469390
>no stream
thats ok, they are not spacex
t. jeff foust

>>12469419
more like jeff fraudst

>>12469390
launch in ~4 minutes

>>12469390
this is their last chance before bankruptcy

ASS
TO
ASS

>>12469433
sounds like they're doing better than last time

>>12469432
>they're not streaming it because they're not actually launching anything. Just posting on twitter in hopes of getting more funding

>>12469434
FACE
IN
ASS

>>12469434
ASSES TO ASSES
FUNK TO FUNKY
YOU KNOW ELON MUSK'S A JUNKY
STRUNG OUT ON AMBIEN'S HIGH
TWEETS AT AN ALL TIME LOW

>>12469434
Chop chop starship draw anon

>>12469437
they said they had stage separation but they're not saying if the upper stage ever ignited

>>12469437
they haven't tweeted after this one. Did 2nd stage not light?

>>12469450
yeah

>>12469437
>no upper stage ignition tweet
OOOO NONONONO BLM BROS

>>12469451
yikes

oh, I guess they're good?

>>12469458
uhhhhhhh no one brags about that. it's fucking gone bros ...

>>12469434

>>12469458
it's fucking ballistic, fuck this live tweeting bs

>>12469459
according to eric berger, it ignited https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1338952612972998657

>>12469459
it is a bit sketch. Like, did they cross it via a ballistic trajectory after 2nd stage failed?

This is really stupid way to launch a rocket.

>>12469464
yup. Pretty dumb. Could be that they're just bad at communicating, though.

>>12469464
this dude is saying what everyone is thinking

It's now t-10 min. Seco was supposed to be ~1.5 min ago

>>12469480
meant to say t+10min

>>12469471
berger making shit up again

>>12469467
ignited, and exploded into pieces? fuck berger btw

Great new video of SN8 from cosmic perspective. Really love these two
https://youtu.be/xrVqLhhd1zo

>still nothing

>>12469496
Astra must be cursed at this point.

Obligatory fuck eric berger, lying, vague shithead. He's been batting for Astra since day 1,now he cant admit they failed bigly today. This was their lass chance and they blew it. Eric out here trying to pick up the pieces

>>12469463
I still don't understand the point of that depot.
>constantly boils off fuel
>can't store enough to be usefull in refueling something
>probably requires the destruction of a lower stage to launch
What is it supposed to do?

>>12469487
Maybe they are so happy that they got completely wasted by now and can't post anything coherent.

>>12469471
dynamite ignites

>>12469502
It's a way to make upper stages reusable without having to bring them back to Earth

we'll probably get a press release later carefully stating how the launch was a huge success while casually mentioning that something failed but that's ok (insert rationalization here)

>>12469339
I know.
But it'd be hilarious for america to have starship and full, airplane style reusability and the nooks be stuck with a shittle

>>12469507
I don't quite understand.
It requires to launch an additional booster, wich in case of ULA gets destroyed.
Is it like: launch that thing on its own booster, launch another booster with a payload, dock in LEO and then fly to a higher orbit?

>>12469519
What is this

>>12469516
yes
it's the same plan as Starship, but more expensive

History: made

>>12469504
>>12469501
He's being deliberately vague. He apparently has inside info but is refusing to share it. Instead he's trying to change the subject.

He knew the outcome when he posted "it ignited". Notice the past tense. He's blatantly misrepresenting the outcome. Why is it so hard for journalists to just tell the damn truth?

>>12469519
>>12469526
Why the fuck do space companies always use fisheye lenses? it doesn't help convince people the earth isn't flat

>>12469516
>It requires to launch an additional booster, wich in case of ULA gets destroyed.
The reusable upper stage system is meant to be paired with a booster is a recoverable engine pod

>>12469528
hope they got a license for these photos

>>12469531
it makes them look higher above the earth than they actually are

>>12469531
Can see the most from one camera

How can aliens be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>12469531
Who gives a shit, I’d rather see cool atmospheric images of a fisheye earth than try to please dumbasses who also think 5G will make them gay

>>12469530
>Why is it so hard for journalists to just tell the damn truth?
To make it in journalism requires a dishonest mindset

>>12469540
>>12469538
they should post some non fisheye lense images of earth from orbit. i'm a not a flat earther but it really doesn't help them to never post non fisheye lense images

>>12469530
Eric Berger is fucking master of half truths. He's always first to post how he has all the juicy info and never reveals details or sources. Total asshat

>>12469549
Well, the cameras really aren't there to get you pretty pictures.

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1338958581983367168
>HUGE SUCCESS!!!!!!! Flight video, data, and more details to follow!

>>12469527
>it's the same plan as Starship, but more expensive
It's nothing like Starship.
>>12469534
Why not recover the entire booster?
Milling out these isogrids certainly ain't cheap...

>>12469531
Wider field of view

>>12469561
Starship recovers all stages and uses refueling to boost the second stage to higher orbits with payload
ACES expends all stages and uses refueling to boost a second stage to higher orbits with more payload

>>12469547
Exactly. I don’t know why it would be in Berger’s favor to applaud Astra, but I’m willing to bet it has something to do with their BLM stunt. I don’t know. Does Astra even do anything? Like have they ever gotten anything to space? Lmao it seems like they are a money laundering scheme who just so happens to make large-ish high school club rockets that either get scrubbed or blow up. And they don’t live stream shit either.

>>12469559
bankrupt it is then. shame to see it

apparently this is the 2nd stage. I like how minimalistic it is

>>12469561
>Why not recover the entire booster?
The system was designed before SpaceX landed their first booster. At the time, no one thought that complete recovery of a vehicle was economically feasible because of the Shuttle. So a small scope version of reusability had to be made in order to convince enough investors to buy it

>>12469570
>I want a transportation secretary that sucks cocks and gets fucking in the ass and eats cum

>>12469574
propellant is stored in the balls

>>12469574
PROPELLANT IS STORED IN THE BALLS

>>12469574
where is this from?

>>12469578
i mean, doesnt the current one do that too?

>>12469239
>liberals are now idolizing John fucking McCain on the same level as RBG
lmao

Astra is playing the "set expectations low to make anything better than last flight into a success" game. Gotta win over investors somehow.

>>12469574
>here's your second stage bro

>>12469574
HAHA propallent us stored in th BALLS

Called it. They're claiming success but being vague on the details, so something went wrong. They'll slide the error through their PR people if they state it at all. They might claim that the mission met all "intended" expectations and got all the data they needed without even saying nasty words like "failure".

Though I'm irritated by their dishonesty this is a pretty huge step up from their terrible 1st launch (https://youtu.be/rDvtTjBDxkw).). So props to them for that. Their management are kinda looking like shithead but I still like their rocket and their engineering people are probably cool .

>>12469597
Aren't they bankrupt if this is a failure?

>>12469601
that's why they're lying and saying it's a success ;)
just redefine success and they have done so masterfully

>>12469558
based HULLO man with the serious questions
>>12469597
ha ha ORBIT OR NOT
space is hard

>>12469597
but, , , it's huge success
doesn't that mean everything worked?

>>12469586
scott manly posted it

According to this dude's twitter, internal webcast showed that second stage had a nominal burn. Doesn't necessarily mean orbit though, since fairings could have failed to sep
https://twitter.com/JoshEIngersoll/with_replies

>>12469597
>They might claim that the mission met all "intended" expectations and got all the data they needed without even saying nasty words like "failure".
wasn't that what happened with SN8 as well?

>>12469608
Hullo is dead serious about Astra. He feels a special connection to them since they're a local company for him and may even know people inside, but he didn't hesitate to predict their demise after the last attempt.

>>12469577
>before SpaceX landed their first booster
Depending on your definition of "landing" that was 7 years ago, several before Starship/BFR/ITS the concept of Starship was even a thing.
Yet I don't see them flying any related hardware.

>>12469578
Good lord what did the gays ever do to you? If I remember correctly, the hyper-progressive faction of the internet turned on buttigieg for being “too normal” and not gay enough. Some even called him a nuclear family man lmao. It’s like they won’t be happy until they have a candidate that’s genderfluid and married to 3 people. Hope this shit stays away from Mars.

>>12469611
there's confusion going around. Apparently some channels were claiming "nominal 2nd stage burn"... but at the same time it looks like it didn't make orbit? This launch was kind of a shitshow.

But the big question for Astra is whether or not they can leverage this launch for more funding. That's why they're being tight lipped and are trying to cultivate the narrative following the launch. It's also why "journalists" like Berger are being quiet about it.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1338960965753315331
>Astra says they are "getting final data confirmation" on whether Rocket 3.2 reached orbit.

>>12469617
https://twitter.com/JoshEIngersoll/status/1338958650379997184
>Heard through the grapevine there was a nominal second stage burn. Don't know if that mean's orbit though.

>>12469622
That's typical of oldspace

>>12469618
The difference is Starship is doing shit that is totally new to aerospace, astra is doing something thats been done a million times already. Also, SpaceX doesn't have issues with funding, Astra does.

>>12469578
Pete is 100% the top in his relationship. He’s also pretty intelligent and not too left leaning, so I’m cautiously optimistic.

>>12469617
>>12469627

won't a nominal burn mean orbit anyway if they were aiming to go to orbit?

>>12469625
Wonder if that means issues with the first stage. Didn't get the expected boost, but was high enough that their second stage didn't rip itself apart when it ran.

>>12469627
would be funny if the rocket worked perfectly but turns out to be too small or not powerful enough to reach orbit. bad calculations

>>12469626
>CNBC
That fisheye lens did the job. Already fooling journalists.

Well, if they can lie through their teeth and secure funding as a result props to them I guess


>>12469635
This rocket is tiny- smaller than electron. With a smaller payload too, obviously. From the start they were really pushing the margins.

>>12469618
Spacex/elon has been pretty clear that the SNs are a test plat form. Gave it a 1/3 chance of everything going right and has said in the past that it would be a SN in the mid/late teens that would go to orbit.

>>12469627
it's been 46 minutes since liftoff. i think it doesn't take a genius to figure out if it's in orbit or not by now.

We'll know if it's in orbit soon enough, there's a sure way to find out

>>12469635
Too close to Canada, it rubbed off so the rocket was too shy and tried not to disturb the neighbours too much.

>>12469618
SN8 was a prototype test vehicle that was designed to test out flight profile/various engine stages/heatshield/landing/gliding/reorienting/reignition. Landing failed but most other performed nominally.
Astra's primary objective (from their blog is to make it to orbit) so we'll see. They're not doing anything crazy maneuvers like spacex is doing.

>>12469644
maybe it's in orbit but the orbit is too shallow

Oh well, it's too bad you can't tell the truth despite having Astra sources. How much did they pay you?

If Astra being vague is a marketing tactic, then what good does leaving everyone in suspense do?

>>12469239
I cant believe John McCain is now a good guy according to Democrats just because he said orange man bad.

>>12469673
maybe they just want to dunk on people who doubted them

Astra and the media have gone silent

>>12469673
journalists are already reporting it as a success because of the pretty pictures they released. If they can create some positive momentum behind the launch regardless of the outcome they increase their chances for more funding.

I mean ffs the first image obviously has a distorting lens to make the short look farther away from earth than it actually is. These people are idiots

I mean, getting close to orbit on your second flight really isn't bad. Being super secretive about it isn't a good look though

>>12469710
agree. It's really a huge improvement and something to be proud of. But this shady shit casts a shadow over it.

>>12469673
I'm not sure exactly where the "if this launch fails, Astra goes bankrupt" narrative came from, but presumably they need to court investors to keep the company afloat. If they can sufficiently muddy the waters surrounding this (apparent) failure, the narrative may focus on them being almost successful rather than primarily unsuccessful. If so, it may give potential investors enough confidence to put some more money in.

>>12469597
>!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are they so fucking obnoxious?

>>12469710
it's probably a little rough since SpaceX has set the standard for newspace openness about their progress by letting people camp out 24/7 with cameras pointed at their production facilities.

>>12469663
nice, whenever we need to pay way above what starship charges us for getting something ALMOST to orbit well give them a ring

>>12469624
someone made that same comment in a tweet during the democratic primaries and I was referencing it in a haha funny joke, not everything is persecution

>>12469725
b-but the media told me that spacex wasn't transparent enough

>>12469663
>have sources on the inside
>spill every single bean you get from them even if it damages their business
>no longer have sources on the inside
>word gets around that you can't keep secrets
>no longer have sources of any kind because no one will talk to you
It's funny how this exact same dynamic played out with raging libs shitting on WH reporters anytime their stories weren't suitably denunciatory of Trump and Repubs.

>>12469716
i think the narrative came about when they missed the deadline for the DARPA project they were making the rocket for
is DARPA still paying for it?

>>12469731
Hmm, then maybe they should trade that steel for...

>>12469726
yeah,doesnt it always become wayyy more expensive per pound the smaller the rocket? even electron should be cheaper

>>12469746
small launchers make economical sense for small payloads that need very specific orbits because if you have to launch something really small then it makes no sense to rent out a huge rocket just for yourself and you wont get together enough sats that want to launch at the same time, so youll probably do a rideshare on another mission that will go to whichever orbit the main sat wants so then you have to include a lot of fuel in yours to make a plane change maneuver.

But thats only because we live in the world of retardedly wasteful disposable rockets, once starship starts flying all else is instantly pointless

Is the SN8 a meme or is it actually revolutionary? I really can't tell.

if astra made orbit, it would've completed nearly one orbit by now

>>12469776
a revolutionary meme

>>12469776
It's a fucking sham dude, thing can't even land without going kaboom on Mary's ass. We're better off with what these other le old space agencies be doing

>>12469776
SpaceX's vision is revolutionary. The question is whether or not they can achieve that vision in reality. SN8's better-than-expected performance pushes the dial more towards "yes", but there's still more work to be done.

>>12469776
Starship is like the Model T. The reusability and capabilities are useful, but the real revolution will be on the assembly line.

>>12469806
"Any color as long as it's naked steel"

>>12469812
Aren't the heat-tiles black?

>>12469618
From the start Musk/SpaceX were forward with the fact that SN8 was going to explode. SN8 was an intentional sacrifice in exchange for real data. SpaceX runs a "hardware-rich" testing program that prefers real data over models. It's just their approach.

Now imagine if SN8"s test when the same as this Astra test
>no streams of any kind allowed
>only updates given through twitter
>spacex enthusiastically reports each milestone reached
>but then suddenly goes dead silent when it comes to reporting the landing
>spacex posts images of the ship approaching the ground, using lenses to make it look really close
>Eric Berger posts "the landing legs deployed"
>but no confirmation on whether or not it actually landed
>conflicting information emerges
>some idiots looks at the pictures and claim that it landed
>spacex says that they're "getting final data confirmation" of landing

If SpaceX actually tried something like this they'd be raked over the coals.

>>12469806
Revolution on the assembly line? I don't like where this worker's rights bullshit talk is going. They better not uprise and start demanding higher wages, i don't want no commies touching muh rockets

>>12469776
SN8 successfully demonstrated the most unproven aspects of a Starship flight (minus orbital refueling). Demonstrating positive control through the bellyflop, flip, and reignition proves that SpaceX’s aerodynamic modeling is accurate. Personally, I was somewhat skeptical before this flight, but at this point, the only potential I see is plumbing overcomplexity on Superheavy’s engine cluster.

>>12469545
>dumbasses who also think 5G will make them gay

then why am I gay anon?

>>12469841
I kek'd

>>12469867
He means 5G as in the wireless thingy, not 5 Gallons of cum ya gay homo

>>12469867
because you were molested by 5G

>>12469727
Oh I gotcha hahah

>>12469528
>Hail Mary: made
ftfy

Grats to Astra nonetheless. Orbit is hard as a certain autist would say.

>>12468645
>>12468689
>>12468701
It's mean to say, but it might be as simple as he's very fat and thus estrogenic, which probably makes him feel miserable and generally negative.

>>12469826
and NASA is contracting them for one painted white

>>12469716
Honest question: when was the last time a single rocket launch succsesfully demonstrated as many unproven strategies/technologies as Snate did?

>>12469854
Fortunately Superheavy booster doesnt have to perform any crazy manoeuvers

>>12469926
is this confirmed? Are they embarrassed about launching an unpainted rocket? Once it's in flight it actually looks really cool.

>>12469934
can superheavy land on SpaceX's existing droneships or will they need bigger boats?

>>12469936
the HLS moonship will be painted titanium dioxide white, it's why there's a white painted nosecone set up at Boca Chica

>>12469944
yes
it will probably never land on a droneship

Do yall believe, honesty, that we'll reach mars by 2026?

>>12469936
no
just extrapolated from the concept render of the moonship painted white

>>12469944
no
superheavy is supposed to land on an off shore platfor or solid ground

>>12469931
Perhaps the first landing test for the Falcon 9, though I'm not sure any one flight during development of Falcon reusability accomplished incrementally more than SN8.

>>12469951
I'm confident SpaceX will send a starship to Mars by 2026. Humans almost certainly not.

>>12469952
>superheavy is supposed to land on an off shore platfor
if it lands on an offshore platform, they would have to refuel and fly it back, right?

>>12469500
Thats what they get for trying to invoke BLM.

Astra shenanigans aside, I think it's pretty noteworthy that two small private rockets launched today.

>>12469951
At the very least a demonstrator mission yes. We have the tech to send shit there, we’ve landed there plenty of times, and spacex seems to be damn good at landing rockets on solid ground.

>>12469709
I consider NSF advanced fanboys more than journalists.

>>12469936
>Are they embarrassed about launching an unpainted rocket?
Tradition, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

>>12469951
I have no idea tbqh. I don't have strong feelings but am optimistic about SpaceX's goals. It won't matter if they fail that either. No one else is on the horizon for the next 2 decades.

>>12469931
STS-1

>>12469972
now to wait for what firefly shenanigans will look like

and where's the anon who has payload on space ship two?

>>12469951
>humans
no
>hardware
probably

any serious infrastructure, like habitats, maybe in 2028 and humans in the 2030

>>12469992
I'll be surprised if Firefly doesn't stream their launch, since it's flying actual payload. Plus, it's tougher to keep the outcome of a launch from Vandenberg secret. Also, LauncherOne, not SS2.