/sci/ - Science & Math

Reminder that SLS will reach it it before Starship

>>12462319
"it" being "cancellation"

>>12462319
huh

Why did they kill off the ATV, bros?

>>12462331
Grossly expensive for what it could do

>>12462331
Too based

meteor shower tonight my niggas

>>12462331
there's no terrain in space

>>12462338
kek

Alright, You are tasked to build a colony outpost on mars. You have one starship available to launch your payload
Due to safety concerns, the outpost must be able to sustain itself for 2 years
What cargo do you pack on to build and sustain it and how will your outpost operate?

>>12462349
VR porn

>>12462331
From what Rich said, it was a converted yamaha, so I kind of doubt that they ever wanted to go all in with this.

I don't really see the general appeal of ATV's in general. beach bugs are more fun and bikes are more mobile.
Speaking of witch, it would be cool if they revived the Motocompo idea.

>be the only means to test biological functions in a gravity between 0-1g without going to another planet
>be the one thing that would've made the iss actually useful in helping us explore the solar system
>cancelled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifuge_Accommodations_Module

>>12462315
Bulkheads are multiplying

>>12462349
mre and oxygen candles

>>12462372
If this was some pie in the sky concept module I'd understand but the fact that it was halfway built is what's most infuriating

>>12462349
i didnt read your post, i'll bring a nintendo switch and a casio keyboard.

Apollo 17's rover with Cernan and Schmitt is on its way to Station 6, Tracy's Rock.

www.apolloinrealtime.org/17

>>12462399
apollo 17 is the best apollo mission

>>12462349

Everything is modular and critical systems have redundancy built in
Percentages are of total payload

10% Boston Dynamic: Spots
20% Digger ROV
30% solar panels
15% Inflatable hub
5% Spares
5% 4axis maintenance bay
10% atmo/soil Reclaimer
5% food production setup

imagine how fresh it tastes bros

>>12462446
Don't do it Anon, don't drink the spicy water.

Any updates on the chinese Moon gig? Been out of the loop for some time.

>>12462437
I'm not sure if this is a troll but if not you should know that those meme dogs will break down in ten seconds

>>12462437
I’m a big fan of modular design.

>>12462458
they're not even calibrated for martian gravity

>>12462318
could you even work in Boca thanks to that ITAR shit?

which propellant gives the coolest looking flame?

Methane is definitely up there. That PEPE rocket was also cool with its green flame, but that's copper.

>>12462415
Their banter during EVA really is out of this world.

>>12462485
F1 burns about as clean as a fucking flamethrower (not very), but god damn does it look good doing it.

>>12462494
Is Schmitt part Indian?

>>12462485
argon

>>12462503

electrical propulsion is goddamn kino bros

1000 years in paint

>>12462485

>>12462512
god damn this is kino

>>12462503
iron thrusters are pretty sick

>>12462534
I'd love to see what a megawatt class ELF or HDLT would look like.

>>12462534
imagine sticking your dick in that

>>12462497
Most of that soot is from the fuel-rich turbo pump exhaust being used as film cooling for the nozzle extension.

>>12462458
Spots were the first thing that came to my mind. Feel free to replace them with Lego Mindstorm on your gig.
They will be considerably advanced from where we are now, when Starship is complete, specially with increased funding and if you make me plan a mars outpost today, I'll sure as hell call BD tomorrow and for combability sake I'll probably let them do the software for the digger and the maintenance bay as well.

>>12462467
You can do that on parable flights, in suspension simulators or liquid.
The low gravity will probably just make them more effective out there on Mars

>>12462500
>Born: Silver City, NM

So all native New Mexican

>>12462554
Why is he so swarthy? Part Feather'd Indian?
I'd love to take a look at his genetics.

>>12462519
How are these different colors achieved? Different gases used?

>>12462560
yes

>>12462541
Stick your dick in a TIG torch arc. Much the same I imagine.

>>12462500
>>12462554
>>12462558
>why was the field geologist who spent 99% of his waking hours in the sun looking at rocks swarthy
Use your brains, niggas.

>>12462560
Different gasses emit certain colored light when excited like how copper burns green in a flame

>>12462560

>>12462554
>thunderbird bolo tie
Based.

>>12462558
>>12462574
Very possible he has mestizo heritage, but maybe permanently sun-tanned from being his miner dad's pack mule from the time he could walk

Here is his wordy geological field diary from the coolest field trip ever taken
https://www.americasuncommonsense.com/1-apollo-17-diary-of-the-12th-man/

>>12462585
>only a beginning

>>12462446
besides your stomach freezing, what would happen?

>>12462592
Your tissue might combust if there's a sufficient ignition source.

gridded ion thrusters look fuckin cool

>>12462598
what a way to go

>>12462485
LH2, lox, and kerosene, because they make the middle finger flame

fucking nuclear reactors in space so electric propulsion actually works WHEN

>>12462354
This plus flamethrowers for crowd control without risk of making holes in the habitats , plus electric trucks and tunnel making machinery from the boring company.

2atm pure oxygen gains ration when?

>>12462521
We're going to make it

>>12462613
Have you not been keeping up with us?

>>12462592
Ruptured stomach and worse from volume of gas created so fast. Makes me sick to think about desu.

>>12462629
KABOOM

>>12462589
>"No"
https://youtu.be/T0k19ctWeeo?t=324

>>12462634
That's the upper stage
Here is the 1st stage engine, booster design still tbd

>>12462585
>but maybe permanently sun-tanned from being his miner dad's pack mule from the time he could walk
based
t. sames

Why don't they just put stainless steel wings on the spacecraft so they don't need to use fuel or expensive and heavy heat shield panels to facilitate return?

Just put a couple of foldable wings on the thing and have it coast down from orbit, wings means a lot of area to dissipate heat on and stainless steel means that you can easily heat them up to like 400C without any issues which results in great heat dissipation ability.

>>12462691
Steel is heavier than tiles

>>12462691
>Why don't they just put stainless steel wings on the spacecraft so they don't need to use fuel or expensive and heavy heat shield panels to facilitate return?
Starship does. That's how they can get away with such minor TPS.

>>12462696
>That's how they can get away with such minor TPS.
Starship is gonna have tiles on the entirety of its windward side.

>>12462653
Found the booster

>>12462579
We should use magnesium because it looks cool

>>12462691
That would require more weight: landing gears, a heavier and more complex airframe, a vertical tail, more avionic systems, wings, etc. The nice thing about propulsive landings is that you're mostly using what's already there, which reduces both weight and complexity vs making a rocketplane

>so they don't need to use fuel or expensive and heavy heat shield panels to facilitate return?
Is it even possible to reenter without a TSP? Can you reenter that gradually?

>>12462701
that anon's talking volume, not area. SS can get away with far skinnier tiles than it could were it aluminum or CF.

>>12462349
>a tiny nuclear reactor (because solar is for cucks)
>another tiny nuclear reactor (because redundancy is good)
>an atmosphere generator that uses fractional distillation of liquid martial air to get nitrogen, and splits CO2 into CO and O2 with a catalyst
>a drill to dig up Martian soil for ice
>a refinery to turn ice rich soil into liquid water
>Sabatier reactor to make fuel for the return trip home
>a hydroponic growhouse that uses artificial lights to grow crops
>a TBM to get underground and create longer term accomodations
>a huge stockpile of medicine and vitamins/sugar/fat to help boost the native diet

I think that's about as much as you could realistically get with 100 tons.

>>12462710
At this rate 4ASS will have as many paper rockets as Roscosmos
>Roscosmos annual budget for 2020
>2.77 billion US dollars
Damn I didn't know it was that bad monetary wise for them.

>>12462736
more like toilet paper rockets because all our designs are shitposts

>>12462746
Nigga, just give us a scrapyard and some tools
We'll have ork tier rockets flying in no time

I've been thinking.

With Starship making launch costs retardedly low, how long until we see much bigger spacecraft assembled in orbit?

You could solve the zero gravity problem by just building a spinning space station. It would never have to land, just attach Starships to the center to act as thrusters, and then do aerocapture both ways.

aeroass syntin lockheed lander when?

What the status of Angara launch? Was it postponed again?

>>12462728
You can still use your main booster for landing if you want and avionics etc. don't weigh anything at all. And the wings can be used as extra fuel tanks, reducing the weight penalty.

>>12462765
maybe 50 years or so. the hardest part would be to set up a production line in space or in the moon

>>12462652
I just watched that whole event. I can't help but laugh when Schmitt says you need young people to do what NASA did in the 60s. All I can imagine is a big whig hearing that nowadays and salivating at the thought of being able to justify firing all the 35+ year old white men with kids at home so he can hire 20-25 year old trans blatinas for diversity points.

>>12462777
I wasn't thinking production lines on the moon, I was thinking production lines on earth and you just put it together in orbit like Ikea furniture.

>>12462771
There is no live coverage from Plesetsk because it operated by Russian Space Force and they don't like their shit being livestreamed on the Internet.
So far it not officially canceled.

>>12462765
this is one of the things that excites me the most about starship. It makes in-orbit construction viable

>>12462779
> I can't help but laugh when Schmitt says you need young people to do what NASA did in the 60s. All I can imagine is a big whig hearing that nowadays and salivating at the thought of being able to justify firing all the 35+ year old white men with kids at home so he can hire 20-25 year old trans blatinas for diversity points.
should've said young white men then

>>12462779
Yeah, these few remaining octogenarian moonwalkers I hope are staying somewhat insulated from the full extent of the current clown world, even the ones who were in politics. I think that the truth would make them croak, which makes me sad. Schmitt is one of my heroes.

How viable are skyhooks?
I'm thinking the first things to be built in orbit will be infrastructure to make it easier and cheaper to get more stuff in orbit

>>12462805
>the first things to be built in orbit will be infrastructure to make it easier and cheaper to get more stuff in orbit
If Starship ends up being as cheap as they hope, I can't imagine giant infrastructure projects on the border of technical feasibility being a cheaper option.

There is no evidence humans will ever become interplanetary

>>12462824
There is no evidence humans will not become interplanetary
Omnissiah wills it

4ASS has been assigned their first mission
>Main objective
>Capture the Flag

>>12462823
Did they land on a slope, or is the camera just being held off of horizontal?

>>12462829
they were on the side of a mountain when the picture was taken

>>12462829
The landing point was almost perfectly flat. The slope gradients across the valley floor were insane.

>>12462828
We must make a nation of astronauts. Astronauts willing to fly their own missions and pursue their own goals.

In order to get the southwest corner of the valley (bottom right in this picture), they had to put like five enormous ridges in between them and the LM, over which they could not see the LM.

>>12462814
this, starship easily beats full-blown space elevator economics.

>>12462795
isnt schmitt the one that was sucking blue origin's cock in the recent hls marketing ad?

They should ditch steel and make the hull out of tiles to save weight

>>12462805
retarded meme technology. stop watching isaac awthor

>>12462782
5-10years maybe? first we'd have to find a reason to make something that big

>>12462869
Where is this ad? Was it for all of HLS or just BO?

>>12462805
Skyhooks and space elevators are the equivalent of metro subways when we're just now developing chariots.

>>12462886
Just BO, posted 4 days ago https://youtu.be/w6bTFpjeFgE
>northrup, lockheed, draper, and blue origin bring modern thinking and innovation to the table

>>12462886
It was for National Team’s HLS lander, but the implication was pretty much “high I’m american geologist hero Jack Schmitt. Let me tell you why Blue Origin is going to take us back to the Moon”

>>12462895
oof, body odor's getting ripped a new one in the comments

>>12462652
This is the man who killed US space program, and turned China into global threat.

>>12462895
I know style is secondary but this lander just doesn't look right

>>12462895
>member of the blue origin science advisory board

>>12462652
>>12462903
seriously impressive how massively nixon fucked up on all fronts

>>12462895
why does every motherfucker keep talking about a "sustaimable" return to the moon when SLS and most of the National Team's lander is trashed after one use? how can any sustainable return even use SLS???

>>12462916
They mean SLS is impossible to cancel unlike Saturn.

>>12462895
make sure to post awful comments on this video and bully the fuck out of blue origin. we need to make them feel bad about themselves, only then might the strong among them achieve results

>>12462917
>impossible to cancel
Wait till starship is flying

>>12462922
Even with starship flying NASA will still continue throwing billions at SLS

>>12462904
It's enormously too tall to use a conventional ladder, at least with Moonship the vehicle will be so huge that astronauts will probably use a cable lift to debark, but with HLS you have to descend a fucking thirty foot ladder in a bulky spacesuit where you can't see behind you or look down at your own feet.

>>12462922
what makes you think congress would ever willingly vote against their own interests?

>>12462945
why is everyone bitching about height at all? it's the moon, just fucking jump pussy

>>12462653

>>12462771
Yes, it doesn't look like there was any of the preparation required for the launch tonight. They are bumping up against certification deadlines for many of the parts on this particular launcher.

>>12462952
They might be fine, but any equipment or piece of your suit you bust out there probably isn't getting fixed until you get back to Earth. I mean I would assume that the new NASA suit is robust enough to take what would be the equivalent of a fall from two meters here on Earth but I'd want to see them test it to make sure.

>>12462966
indeed they may die, but they knew the risks

>>12462895
Absolutely fucking based comment section

Guys does somebody know something about 宇推くりあ ? It's actually kinda strange for vtuber to become interested in spacecraft and rockets. I wonder what the trigger was she got into it. She also did play KSP. I can't find any information about her on google.

>>12462972
thanks for pointed that out, didn't check before
kek

>>12462895
How did this hunk of junk become one of the final three designs considered?
Was the Boeing bid THAT BAD?

>slaps BO lander's roof
"This bad boy can fit a plenty of lobbies in it"

>>12462805
how would a delicate rocket/ship hook onto it and survive what I would assume the huge centrifugal forces without suffering any damage?

>>12462976
I ask myself this a lot. But we at least know Boeing's lander required an SLS launch, which NASA simply cant afford.

>>12462976
So bad that even gratuitous bribery couldn't help it.

>>12462824
>There is no evidence that europe will ever colonize the new world

>>12462982
that's a no no, we avow it. no we simply can't allow it

>>12462981
magic retard, didnt you read the popular science article?

>>12462945
Say no more

>>12462984
allegedly :^)

>>12462981
steel rockets bro

>>12462988
>magic retard
Like Teehee Maccaroni?

>>12462989
maybe nasa picked BO bc they have a fresh scent, whereas boeing has floundered at every turn

>>12462989
I was on the official SLS discord and I read the full Boeing PDF. Their lander was actually kinda cool apparently it was capable of working on Mars with a heat shield and practically zero modification. Too bad Boring made it

>>12462895
>People saying its too tall
I agree, but the starship lunar lander is also fuckhueg, is it going to have an elevator or something?

SLS is perfect, SpaceX BTFO

>>12462916
“Sustainable” is a popular buzzword currently. Means little.

>>12462916
it's the closest they are able to get to being reusable

>>12463002
it's going to have a slide

>>12463006
if we keep saying it, it will come true

>>12463002
Gian airbags deploy at the base and you just jump out

>>12462976
How the fuck did BO lose to Lockheed Martin, that’s what I wanna know. I’m not a tin foil hat guy but it seems funny to me that Bezos was able to secure BE-4’s for ULA (while competing against Aerojet Rocketdyne) AND win an artemis contract (against boeing and lockheed). Either bezos is paying off the right people or NASA knows something we don’t

>>12462982
>Boeing's lander required an SLS launch, which NASA simply cant afford.
jesus, imagine not being able to launch more than one rocket within the same year. how pathetic.

>>12463002
Crew will parachute down

>>12463012
lockheed is part of blue origin's team. they decided not to pitch their solo lander concept, probably bc they were just taking the piss last time around

>>12462995
Yum

>>12462976
>Was the Boeing bid THAT BAD?
No. It was too good. NASA wants Artemis to fail, and having a functional lunar lander is bad for business.

>>12463002
They use a skyhook

>>12462955
My mistake, apparently Angara A5 just launched!

LOL

>>12463034
schmitt is dumb as rocks

>>12463023
Lockheed lander was the best looking one of them all

>>12463002
lunar starship is even more stupid then the national team monstrosity. the only sane choice is the based alpaca

>>12462995
pic reminds me of that lauren lyons chick from the old spacex streams and how she's at BO now kek

>>12463039
Alpaca is the one with least chance to get chosen though

>>12463040
sure but even lockheed knew it was vaporware, which is why they didnt compete directly in HLS

Elon pls
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1338365886542049282

>>12463042
:(

>>12463041
oh she kekkin alright

Angara supposedly launched successfully 30 minutes ago.
https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/10247513

>>12463055
Holy fucking based

>>12463041
>>12463057
damn she was one of my faves too

>>12462858
That’s gotta be terrifying to at least some extent.

>>12463055

>>12463042
It was by far NASA’s favorite from a design perspective.

>>12463055
lmao

>>12463055
Reddit on suicide watch

>>12463055
heckin based elon coming out and saying all cis hetero white males are bloodthirsty monsters
it's about time someone called them out for their misdeeds

>>12463041
>>12463057
Damn I really liked her too

Firefly won a VCLS contract and posted integration pictures.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BenchmarkSpace/status/1336319674716286983

>>12463069
Design is secondary to politics these days
Hopefully best girl will triumph

>>12463058
Angara A5 with Baikal flyback boosters when?

>>12463088
>when she isn't chosen

>>12463055
how could you not love the guy

>>12462319
bro ur spambot broke

>>12463055
Grimes is not going to like that one kek

>>12463102
is she opens her whore mouth elon will clog it with is cock again

>>12463088
If NASA has any sense, they will pick National Team and Dynetics. Starship is coming regardless. It only benefits them to roll the dice on the other two options

:o

>>12463057
Oh comeon you were a highly accomplished engineer at fucking Spacex and now BO, how does heels up Copmala mean so much to you.

>>12462883
>first we'd have to find a reason to make something that big
Giant space penis.

:D

>>12463116
it proves that you can achieve anything as long as you choke on powerful cocks

>>12463055
>this is the guy who reported you for racism

>>12463137
he's cute

>>12463137
9/11 wasnt enough

>>12463115
>>12463119
So what's the status of SN9? Any news besides buffing out that dent a bit?

>>12463141
>cute
NSF should hire

>>12463137
>this is a 10/10 in the angloshpere

>>12463137
>Trans flag
>Suicide imagery in bio

>>12463150
41% is a lower bound

>>12462592
your stomach burns (oxidises) and freezes at the same time

>>12462653
>that "3" of ClF3 at the exponent
anon... I...

>>12463144
concern trolls and spacex stans both make good points. we will know the fate of sn9 in due time

>>12462634
>Bimodal RD-600 never

>seent 14 shooting stars already
feels good ngl

>>12463155

>>12462653
>Unsymmetrical Dimethylhydrazine became the storable liquid fuel of choice by the mid-1950's. However hydrazine provided better performance when used with chlorine trifluoride.
there's literally no reason why this wouldnt work. /sfg/ needs a hero, and we can crowdfund them to build this. i pledge 100k to the brave soul who can get results on this

>>12463169
More like an hero and his numerous entourage.

>>12463169
Get of 4chan, Comrade Glushko.

>>12463160
>tfw nothing but clouds in a 400 mile radius

>Progress
>makes no progress over half of century

>>12463055
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1338375990217760771
He's shitposting at high magnitude tonight

>>12463189
maybe he on drugs?

>>12463191
weed lmao

>>12463191
He's probably just happy SN9 was recovered. HOP SOON.

>>12463189
Yeah, probably the anon above is right. Good news about SN9.

>>12463191
I'm pretty sure they made him stop doing wine and ambien. I think Elon just shitposts to have fun.
If you were one of the richest and most famous human beings alive, wouldn't you be tempted to fire off some dumbass memes before bed just so that you could have some angry/confused news articles about your own antics to read and chuckle at the next morning while taking a shit? With literally every tweet Elon makes, he sets a vast human machine into motion that scrambles to interpret and digest his idle nonsense.

>>12463180
That sucks
I’m up to 24 now

so will they just slap sn10's fins on sn9?

>>12463223
Or take some other fins nearby that's not attached already. Or just bang it until it flattens out.

>>12463195
>recovered
recovered from what?
>HOP SOON.
WHEN?

>>12463218
Do you need to be out in the sticks to see them or do I just look up?

>>12462895
>>12463040
I still don't get it. Both BO and Lockeed got fucking lifts in their entry, then why the fuck does HLS have a fuckdamn long ladder?

>>12463232
How are things in the Kuiper belt?

ELF thrusters are being taken seriously by NASA, getting funding from the same program as the X3 Hall thruster and VASIMR.
>/sfg/ once again has impeccably patrician taste

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20190004993/downloads/20190004993.pdf

>>12463242
>it fooking tipped

>>12463242
Oh, Snine. You silly starship.

>>12463239
You need to be in the sticks to see most of them. That’s where I live.
Maybe 1 in 10 are brighter than mars right now, those of which can probably be seen from a large city.
Either way the cold got to me so I maxed out at 28. Not bad if I say so myself.

>>12463242
Wait why does SN9 have strange spire

Reminder, SpaceX Starlink saved the US taxpayers 10 billion USD by forcing other bidders to bid low. US Rural Broadband Fund was originally supposed to give 20B in funding, but due to Starlink's global presence and bidding in every state, 10 Billion dollars worth of profit from incumbents were wiped out.

>>12463256
>search geminids on twitter to see if anyone's posted any cool videos
>the only tweet promoting the meteor shower is from black science man
>one tweet was some onlyfans dominatrix thot talking about how she loves that her paypiggies know their place
>all the other tweets are talking about fucking astrology
Social media.

>>12463150
Really stupid suicide imagery though, what does that anime girl think is going to happen if she just shoots her jaw at that angle

>>12463242
God DAMN the high bay is one sturdy bitch

>>12463278
>think
Ohohohoho, it seems you are mistaken

>>12462485
>which propellant gives the coolest looking flame?
JP-7

>>12463189
>>12463055
How can you not love Elon? Thank Christ he’s based and not some liberal fag

>>12463243
vasimr is a hoax

>>12463268
Based, didnt know this

>>12463341
Most people won't acknowledge it or make a news about it because Elon Musk is not aligned with far left journos and Elon Musk isn't aligned with far right journos. So being politically centrist gets fucked by both sides.

I wish Berger would do an investigative piece on Blue Origin, he could blow the sucker wide open and get the scoop that they were a fraud all along

>>12463034
>I have made a terrible mistake.

>>12463347
bruh

>>12462976
I'm starting to think there's a newspace conspiracy against Boeing's ebiggg bid, with that director getting sacked over it and all. I mean look at starship it's a fucking tintin rocket, Lockheed's Mars lander candidate looks way cooler.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCFWLrlCWY

>>12463358
lockheed didnt submit this for hls retard

>>12463358
People can make grandoise images, but the real problem is how? How much would it cost? In what time frame? How large? and so on. That's the biggest question. I can without a doubt say it will cost 100x more than SpaceX Starship and take 10x longer than SpaceX does. Maybe they're thinking of Mars landing in 2050s like NASA projects? By then SpaceX would have thousands of people on Mars, Starship would be a regular flying vessel in space. Lockheed Martin would just be finishing up their $200 billion dollar project that will cost 3 billion to launch.

>>12463358
The fact that Lockheed completely dropped this concept tells you all you need to know. Lockheed also completely dropped their compact fusion concept (it's now compact fission lol)

>>12463358
kino

>>12462903
It’s not like the entire Apollo program wasn’t just as much of a money wasting boondoggle as anything else they’ve done

>>12463366
which is why I specified Mars.

>>12463358
2 week surface missions what a beauty
Apollo but for mars

>>12463372
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/3737/1
>To summarize: the entire lunar effort (with robotic missions and Gemini included) would cost $288 billion in today’s dollars. If the US prioritized the project financially the same way it did in the 1960s, the nation would have to spend $702 billion to occupy the equivalent share of GDP.
meanwhile....
>For Fiscal Year 2020 (FY2020), the Department of Defense's budget authority is approximately $721.5 billion ($721,531,000,000). However, total U.S. military spending is estimated to be around $934 billion in 2020-21.[1][2] Approximately $712.6 billion is discretionary spending with approximately $8.9 billion in mandatory spending. The Department of Defense estimates that $689.6 billion ($689,585,000,000) will actually be spent (outlays).[3]

>>12463381
even more of a slap in the face is the cost of the ISS compared to the defense budget
$130 billion for the entire ISS program
the US defense budget hasn't been below $130 billion since the carter administration

>>12463381
Military spending is good. The more, the better.

>>12462805
Skyhooks are at least physically possible with current technology. Space elevator requires scifi advances in materials science.

>>12463411
depends on what. Destabilizing MENA regimes and creating a human wave of refugees is retarded.

>>12463428
but muh oil......

>>12463268
> 'By saving taxpayers money Elon Musk undermines the government's position as the rightful redistributor of wealth and perpetuates a problematic and racist trope of the white man as saviour'

>>12463374
there are no mars lander contracts. it's basically a fake concept

>there are no liquid fueled rockets. it's basically a fake concept

Seething Lockheed Martin stan spotted

Mini starship is alive and well. Here is a great link that shows why mini starship is the only way to land a man in mars
https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/kbypek/mars_direct_30_architecture_starship_and/

>>12463476
Elon Musk and spacex BTFO. Spacex is fraud as proven here.

>>12463476

>2022
>Two Starship on orbit testing refueling
>The whole world is watching
>Boom
>Human spaceflight is dead for centuries

>>12463476
The fact that this has the Zubrin seal of approval goes a long way to proving this is the best possible mission profile

>>12463476
bruh what the fuck is that thing

>>12463484
hopefully by 2022 it will have too much inertia for even several hundred deaths to stop it

>episode 964 of literal who ankle biters telling the most successful aerospace company in history how they're wrong
just shut the fuck up goddamn

do you guys know any good 20min/1hr long talks similar to those by Jurveston or Tumlinson that paint a more grounded picture of future space industry niches?

>>12462895
That was painfully bad. The appeals to heritage as if that's anything to be proud of when SpaceX is smashing it out of the park with a disruptive approach, asinine bragging about their bloated codebase and how a possible hazard in terms of the ladder is actually a virtue - if dust is such a problem just maybe develop a dust removal system not just a fucking ladder? - and of course the utterly predictable muh vagina virtue signalling. What an absolute fucking horror show. Thank god Starship looks like it's going to deliver order of magnitude cost reductions. These corrupted progress-limiting forces need to be seen in public to have the absolute shit slapped out of them in order that their utterly 100% incorrect approach is consigned to the dustbin of history forever.

>>12463055

>>12463489
>>12463476
This is retarded, what is Zubrin doing. At least try to be constructive with what you're asking a private company to do.

>go outside for 5 minutes to check out Orion with muh tellerscope
>see another meteor
29 is a good number

>>12463519
How long can these cretins keep this up? We're damn lucky NASA no longer issues cost plus contracts, orvthe HLS lander would become the next piggy trough. Moon by 2069

>>12463535
Nasa will be defunded because they didn't choose cost plus for lunar landing.

>>12463533
yes obviously, mini starship is a fun meme. but that redditor is fucking convinced lmao

>>12463289
shit didn't even budge

>>12463539
good. nasa can do more with less anyway. see commercial cargo/crew

>>12463242
Just having a nap

>>12463544
That's an optimistic take on it. Realistic take is they'll refund commercial space procurement

virgin galactic is so fuckin dumb

>>12463604
At this point I'm almost convinced they know that but keep going just because investors are dumb enough to buy it

Zubrin takes on sjw's
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/wokeists-assault-space-exploration/

>>12463484
Anon. Normies only watch the launches. They don't stick around and watch the actual mission.

Wow. The tanks in SN8 actually had very little fuel in them if the frost is any indication.

>>12463670
Makes sense, a fully fueled Starship is supposed to put 100 tons into orbit on top of Superheavy, SN8 just had to get it's dry mass to 12km and fall back down

>>12463670
ja. gotta keep the weight low with only 3 raptors

>>12463676
Plus imagine how much bigger the fireball could have been

we gotta new stand bois

>>12463670
Estronaut said the vehicle must've been very heavy since his friend expected it to go much faster. But I think he just must've bungled his calculations. No way the rocket would look like this if it was full. No way the explosion at the end would've been that comparatively subtle.
Although apparently he did calculate that the landing would only need two raptors which checked out. Oh well.

>>12463698
That pic makes it seem like there's a mini Starship on it.

>>12463700
the raptors were probably throttled during most of the flight. For sure throttled nearer to apogee because they wanted to lose speed. I imagine that they'll conduct a full speed ascent once they get landing down. One thing at a time.

>>12462503
plasma thrusters don't count

>>12462500
He kinda looks armenian honestly

>>12463698
Shine's new shoe

>>12463075
maybe its because he has afrikaner heritage and you know what the anglos did to the boers in south africa

>>12463710
>>12463700
They throttled down almost immediately after takeoff and then brought it even lower as the vehicle got lighter, with some throttle up when the engines were switched off in order to maintain overall thrust.
It makes sense since they apparently wanted to reach apogee under power to test the engines and control systems and not just yeet the silo on ballistic trajectory. There might also be an issue of it being aerodynamically unstable in forward flight with empty tanks and hard to control without the engines running.

>>12463704
> mini Starship
Too soon

>>12463700
>apparently he did calculate that the landing would only need two raptors which checked out.
I have this crazy idea that one raptor was shut down intentionally to demonstrate the capability of landing safely even with one engine malfunctioning, and if the other one has not farted that would shut A LOT of naysayers.

https://twitter.com/VaushV/status/1338367807164014595 I THINK ELON PISSED OFF VAUSH

He has made the communists on twitter very mad today

>>12463797
Good. Pedos like vaush should fill Starship's fairing on the first orbital tests

>Google servers shit the bed
hlep muh livestrem

>>12463496
Mini starship for people who thinks that cybertuck is not enough

>>12463670
Imagine the fluid slosh on the way down.

>>12463887
haha serves you right googledrones

> flippity floppity

>Elon tweeting dumb politically incorrect memes instead of SpaceX stuff
SN9 confirmed fucking totaled

>>12462415
anyone know some good Apollo 17 documentaries? I've seen "Inside NASA's Last Moon Mission" by the guy who did the Apollo 11 documentary for the 50th.

>>12463900
doesn't he tweet dumb memes when he's in a good mood?

Hop when?

>>12463900
> Being a retard on Twitter
> Literally what Musk does every 3rd day
Nah, think it's fine.

>>12463887
omg omg coup d'etat

>>12463908
while they don't pertain to apollo 17 specifically, spacerockethistory.com has quite the catalog of podcasts speaking on the history of the Apollo program and those involved
the guy who runs the site has finished up to Apollo 15 and has just started on 16
do highly recommend if you're an apollo nerd

https://youtu.be/ap-BkkrRg-o?t=6883

I'm really impressed at how quickly the raptor engines turned on here. There was no observable startup or anything. That'll be a useful feature in case an engine suddenly dies during landing

>>12463778
>There might also be an issue of it being aerodynamically unstable in forward flight with empty tanks and hard to control without the engines running
Well to be fair, that's way outside normal mission parameters.

>>12463794
The first one shut down with a brief flash of green preceding it. That wasn't a clean shutdown, that one literally ran out of fuel.
All the more interesting how long 42 managed to burn on literally just fumes and oxygen even if that probably didn't do that much in terms of thrust anymore.

>>12463993
>fumes and oxygen
42 fired up and it's turbo pumps started pulling all the fuel it could get from the tanks. The other raptor was too slow and never got the chance to spool up its turbos to meaningful speeds to compete with 42. That is why it died out so quickly, 42 was pulling almost everything from the fuel lines from the relight. It had the momentum already.

we're no gonna have sn9 before end of year?

>>12462949
>it's in congresses best interests to waste billions of dollars for no good reason

>>12464119
January, the 1st

>>12462917
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/09/former-nasa-administrator-says-sls-rocket-will-go-away/

>>12464139
Correct

>>12463908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIGbOoZzlYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQOEC9gHpmA

Kind of manipulative with the constant intercutting of the transcripts but very feely

>>12464119
I hope she flies before Christmas. Maybe Christmas Eve.

and then there's... this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxv51-E6PvA

>>12464148
That's it. I cancel everything!

>>12463892
that's what the header tanks are for
too bad they didn't work

Attention /sfg,
Buttcheeks
That is all.

>>12464119
April 1st.

>>12464119
Dec 31, then if RUD, it was new year's fireworks

Why is there no ullage motors needed? It's in freefall, maybe I don't understand header tanks but shouldn't it still need a kick to get the fuel in the right place?

>>12464228
A header tank is designed to maintain a fuel supply even in odd conditions.

>>12464235
I don't get it where this "musk takes credit for other people's work" meme come from. He always credits his teams whenever possible and cheers them on.

>>12464238
People repeating what they see on social media. I doubt they've ever even watched a launch, or post-launch press conference.

>>12464235
The only people I see who bring up the idea that Elon invented everything/anything for his companies are dumb Elon haters who never actually look into what they're hating

>>12464238
In case you haven't noticed, leftists don't live in reality

IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN

>>12464238
I think someone compared him to Tony Stark once, and the idea stuck.

L>>12463797
Jealousy does that. Jealousy and hate.

>>12464263
Inferiority complex imo plays a stronger role. The same argument is used against rich people who the leftists claim do not deserve the money they made. Combine with accomplishment so great, it makes leftists seethe

>>12464243
>watching the launches autistically means you know more
I bet you say “we did it” every time a flight goes right.

>>12464291
>watching the launches autistically means you know more
Yes?

>>12464291
if you're even mildly paying attention, the reality of SpaceX is pretty clear

>>12464291
Of coursh

What did they mean by this?

>>12464333
>The absolute state of boing

>>12464333
Imagine ordering that test stand and how complicated Boeing must've made that process

>>12464342
what's wrong with it?

>>12464361
That thing should be in docked to the ISS, not to a fucking water tower stand.

>>12464333
>>12464342
In SpaceX, the water tower itself flies. In Boeing, the high-end fancy capsule has to be docked to a water tower because it fucking fails at everything.

>>12464372
>Starliner docks to ISS
>its computer gets confused
>think it's time to deorbit
>blasts the ISS with cancer fire
>Boeing gets away with it because they're a "trusted" contractor

>>12463411
No. Military power is good. If you can get twice the power for half the money that's the best case scenario.

And if we found out that the SLS, a much more closely controlled endeavour than anything military related, is gonna cost 80 billion(in total taking into consideration all real costs) for something that we known can be achieved with less than 1/10 that, then I'm confident that without corruption the current us military budget would be enough for a wh40k style empire.

Will there be an elon musk of the defense sector that brings in new more efficient practices and exposes "old military" corruption?

I decided to make a Starship derived nuclear ship akin to the Nautilus, albeit LOOOOOOONG. Also yes it's literally the retarded starship train i had from long ago but i decided to try thinking more long term about this. Make additions and modifications as needed.

>>12464228
Is that fat steven Seagal?

>>12464406
Whoops, wrong file. Well at least it's verified that I was indeed the moron who came up with that one.

>>12464409
There's a slim Steven Segal?

>hey guys, that satellite doesn't fit in our fairing
>alright, bring out the large fairing
>nono, it just pokes out of the corners by a couple inches
>say no more

>>12462974
certified cuck

>>12462989
We want a base on the moon, not a fucking cuck shed

>>12462974
As a half nip, I never got the whole V-tuber thing. Then again, I'm an assburger so I never really get the whole simping thing in general.

>>12464422
Not the worst solution in the world desu

>>12464415
Careful anon, he might track you down, disable you with his aikido skills and sit on you

>>12464435
>"I'll say your name on stream all sexy-like if you give me $50, anon!"
>'no way, fag'
based hybrid

>>12464435
I don't get it either, but 2bh I'm all for the transition away from the cult of celebrity towards digital entertainers. The artless, manipulative entertainment industry that peddles power and status should be dismantled by AI and digital replicas that reach deeper into people's souls than they could ever hope to do and this is a GOOD thing. It'll remind them how worthless they are.

>>12464435
>tfw a meme youtuber you follow became a vtuber
>became most popular English vtuber in a month
>makes hundreds of dollars per hour from donations
>she will never shitpost on her first channel again

>>12464453
Jap vtubers belong to "stables" just like regular idols there.

>>12464406
>>12464409
I like the idea of trussed hab segments like that for a ship that's not intended to land. You'd need some sort of fairing to protect the habs during launch that could be rolled up or something.
But I don't see why inflatables would be a good idea unless you were packing them in something else to launch for orbital assembly, or were swapping them out with new modules for orbital re-assembly.
But you could launch it with the empty rails with only a little bit of fairing for the fuel tank.
>>12462974
Do we really need to talk about vtumors here?

>>12464422
Other would have been like "Sorry, no can do. Space is hard!"

New SN8 hop video from Estronaut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIyKS_9tP08

>>12464422
>independent smallsat company
>can make you custom fairings to get the job done
We’re gonna make it Mr. Frodo

>>12464584
Wow, they're really thin.
I like skinny rockets.

Can ALPACA fit inside a Starship? Asking for a friend.

>>12464624
Yes.

>>12464624
Doesn't matter. You are going to get the National Team HLS, and you will like it!

>>12463897
can someone in here buy this guys high res shots and upload to mega like a true friend?

>>12464630
>new admin strips down Artemis
>only SLS and the National lander are used
>took two terms just to get the landing mission set up
>after a perilous descent the personed exploration team landed
>they get ticketed by SpaceX moon police for violating the safe zone of Moonbase Alpha in accordance with the Artemis Accords

>>12464333
oh....oh no...

>>12464632
Not a problem, friend.

>>12464642
>You can't do this to me! Do you know who is backing this expedition on Earth?!
>AEIOU
Fucking Moonmen are worse than Australians desu.

>>12464653
wow that's sharp

>>12463778
in retrospect it's kinda funny how most people (myself included) assumed they were just going to yeet it at full power, cut the engines off, and then let it tumble to its apogee. The way they actually did it makes far more sense

>>12463993
>>12464106
I don't think 42 was involved in the landing. The feed is too choppy to tell for sure, but on relight its the two engines in the back that fire up. The camera angle looks the same as it was on ascent so I'm 97% sure that it was SN30 and SN36 involved in the landing.

>All the more interesting how long 42 managed to burn on literally just fumes and oxygen
It is curious how stable that engine rich combustion seemed to be
>even if that probably didn't do that much in terms of thrust anymore.
Correct. You can see in various wide-angle videos that as soon as shit goes green SN8 begin accelerating towards the ground
https://youtu.be/iauacCNV86s
https://old.reddit.com/r/ImageStabilization/comments/kayw41/spacex_starship_landing_stabilized/

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-esa-choose-astronauts-for-spacex-crew-3-mission-to-space-station
3 of 4 Crew-3 astronauts have been selected
>Raja Chari, commander, American
>Tom Marshburn, pilot, American
>Matthias Maurer, mission specialist, German

>>12464668
And fourth will be JAXA as per usual

>>12464594
that thing has to produce massive pogo

>>12464659
Being forced to live underground during the half month of nighttime can strain anyone's sanity, but that's what makes moonmen shitposting so charming. Unlike fucking feathers Amazon drones living in LEO who try to mimic the moon madness because daddy Bezos didn't pay enough attention to them

>>12464663
42 was the only one not involved with the landing maneuver.
The first engine to go out on ascent was the first one to reignite.
Then the second.
The second engine turned off first (due to the low fuel pressure) and the first engine started eating itself until "touchdown".

did anyone ever figure out what all this venting was?

>>12464668
Chances of first name being F is high.

>Raja
>Tom
>F*
>Matthias
RTFM

>>12464682
looks like some kind of smoke generator to see how the air around starship is being affected desu

>>12464668
>This will be the first spaceflight for Chari, who became a NASA astronaut in 2017.
Poor Victor Glover was selected as an Astronaut in 2013 and just now finally got to go to space. Wonder what's so special about this guy.

>>12464683
Satoshi

>>12464663
>in retrospect it's kinda funny how most people (myself included) assumed they were just going to yeet it at full power, cut the engines off, and then let it tumble to its apogee
lool true, i was expecting that too. And even when done this controlled it looked straight very unrealistic, had they done it that way it would have looked like a cartoon

>>12464684
at first i laughed at how stupid you are, but now that i think about it....

>>12464682
It's carbon dioxide, this is what Elon is pumping straight into the atmosphere

>>12464694
it's not a crazy idea, although I'd think the most important point to get data from would be on descent and there was no venting then, so it's probably not right

>>12463058
Isn't Angara pretty much a dead end with Soyuz 5 in development?

>>12464697
Friend to all trees, what a guy.

>>12464663
Going all the way back to the 2019 Starship presentation they showed a 2 engine landing burn.

>>12464713
If Russian army wants to continue pumping the money into Angara, not my problem.

>>12462823
Yeah, fuck that

>>12464668

Ugh... So white and middle-aged...

>>12462976
>>12462984
Boing also had insider info on all other offers and their pricing as leaked by Douglas Lovarro, Associate Administrator for HEO.

>>12463381
Protip: Now look at the welfare spending.
I'll be waiting for your post.

>>12463055
CANCEL HIM
WRYYYYYYYY

>>12464772
https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CRS%20Report%20-%20Welfare%20Spending%20The%20Largest%20Item%20In%20The%20Federal%20Budget.pdf
$1.03 trillion total in 2011.

>>12462634
Can it run on CO2? I have the feeling there will be issue with carbon coking but I'm not sure. If it can...

Oh cool. So I guess astra is launching today.

For those not aware astra is one of many up-and-coming smallsat launchers. Their rocket is the smallest of the bunch- even smaller than electron. They tried to launch previously but didn’t make it very far.

I’ve heard that this launch is make-or-break for them. But I’m not sure if that’s actually true.

>>12462731
>powering all that shit with a 10kw "nukelaear reaktor!"

>>12464795
The rocket in question

>>12464795
The last one didn't fly so good

>>12464795
I like the look of their rocket. /sfg/ does not like them.