/sci/ - Science & Math

Fuck boing and fuck urf

>>12465473
Every time I see this picture I get mad that we got the shittle based SLS instead of a Saturn VI.

I want to believe

>>12465455
musk isn't going to be happy if the chinks just throw out a carbon copy in a few years

recapping some stuff about starship clones that i want to get more opinions about:

im fairly sure every space agency in the world already started planning on it but decide not to speak about it for pr reasons, clinging to the small chance that it fails/proves to be more difficult than originally thought of. Once its flying theyll announce it.

Also i think theyre waiting for spacex to advance its design so that they can take advantage of industrial espionage.

Hell, even only having the knowledge that it's possible makes doing exactly the same thing a thousand times easier. Plus there's everything that they can't hide that's in plain sight(would be hard to deny what the rocket is made of or how many rocket it has), plus there's all the fanboy speculations, plus all the true espionage and data buying they can do.

That's partly why Buran was way easier to develop than the shuttle, for instance all of the aerodinamyc testing was already finished for them.

That's the analogy im looking for, we want to see russians Buran-style response to the starship

>>12465486 >>12465486
>>12465442
>>Raptor black magic engines: BE4 could probably make a grain silo fly, for a significant loss in performance
remember that the only ones who came close to making a closed cycle engine besides spacex were the russians.
They also have a slight advantage in some fabrication techniques such as the use of titanium
they are way behind or equivalent in other areas.

one issue would be the flight software, but what they lack in "formal" gogle style workers they make up with a good army of hackers, that plus the fact that all problems can be bruteforced will result in a problem thats hard but not unsolvable.

>>12465483
nobody ever is, he knows he cant do much about it thats why many of his stuff is open source.

Also i think its more likely the russians get it right first, or maybe a russian-european russian-chinese joint effort

>>12465483
>musk isn't going to be happy if the chinks just throw out a carbon copy in a few years
ha ha ITAR go fwoosh

>cubesats are cheap
Why aren't we seeing more startups in space?

>>12465483
Musk just cares about getting humans off Earth, the more Starship clones the better for that line of logic

>>12465494
>nobody ever is, he knows he cant do much about it thats why many of his stuff is open source.
SpaceX stuff certainly isn't open source. The closest Musk has come to that was when he released some Tesla patents a few years back.

>>12465501
Cubesats are now cheaper than hiring engineers so that's the bottleneck now.

>>12465486
It’s pretty fucking crazy that the russians were capable of copying something as complex as the Space Shuttle (some might even say they made it better) I would absolutely love to see everyone’s competitor to Starship. But propulsive landing is a beast of a burden and to my knowledge absolutely no one has testing on it besides a few tests at NASA. But anyways yeah imagine a chinese copy of this thing. It would be based

>>12465506
It would shatter into a million pieces on reentry because Starship relies on quality metallurgy.

>>12465506
SpaceX's experience is gonna make it easier for the next rocket to attempt propulsive landing, but I wonder how much easier.

>>12465510
The Soviets had the best engines until Raptor came along tho?

>>12465518
Sorry, I meant the Chinese one would shatter. Squatship would be pretty cool, but I'm not sure how well that works launching at 51° inclination.

>>12465510
China does actually produce quality metals from some of its foundries, its just everything else that's junk. The state knows where to get the good stuff.

>>12465506
>it would be based
lmao the first stage would be expendable and drop on a village, and the second stage would detach for reentry leaving only the crewed nose cone to land like an Orel capsule

>>12465506
>It’s pretty fucking crazy that the russians were capable of copying something as complex as the Space Shuttle (some might even say they made it better
arguibly they couldnt have done it without their competent engineers but its clear they copied as much as they could and probably managed stole a lot of industrial secrets besides what was open to the public

>>12465510
russians/soviets never had a problem with metalurgy, not even their enemies claim that.

The problems of the russian/soviet program were this, in order:

1)Mad pressure to listen to politicians over technical experts under penalty of gulag
2)Insanely less money than the american program to the point that its a wonder they even got anywhere
3)Quality control, its shit, but so again its shit for starship too and it flies, the idea is to make a much more sturdy rocket that doesnt require more craftsmanship than a faverge egg to survive for a day
4)vodka

>>12465525
>>12465537
ahh yes, chinks would indeed have a problem, but i think they could get around it with brute force and less payload. I think that eventually they would get a starship with ultra thick wall that carries 50 tons to LEO and after blowing up many prototypes and years but theyd get it done

>>12465543
By then SpaceX would be on the 18m starship heavy.

>>12465529
Fun fact. Some of China’s rare earth metal mines will be depleted in the near future, a sign of the incoming complete collapse of the industrial system from resource depletion.

>>12465472
no, there is another

>>12465473
F-1B first stage and RS-25 second stage heavy lift rocket fucking when!?
>tfw fucking never

>>12465434
>sadly I think you overestimate oldspace
oldspace won't built a starship clone, china will

anybody who wants to know more about closed cycle engines should look up Ursa Major technologies

Didn't they say they'd be pumping fuel under Starship's heat tiles for cooling?

>>12465584
And the Elon, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting
On the pallid control room just above my launch site;
And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon’s that is dreaming,
And the light of a starship rocket streaming throws his shadow on the floor;
And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor
Shall be lifted—nevermore!

>>12465597
Quoth the launch thread, 404.

>>12465596
they should put a dont try this at home disclaimer or sooner or later one dumb gas station clerk will do it

>>12465596
No. They might to transpiration cooling (open cycle fuel cooling) at the wing roots or something

>>12465543
>that carries 50 tons to LEO
it would have less capabilities, I doubt the chinease could build an engine as capable as the raptor

>>12465517
Given how software-driven it is, I don't think it will be that much easier. You'd have to steal a copy of the source code to work it out and even then it may not be enough. I think SpaceX makes the software look easy because Musk comes from a software background, but it's really much harder than it seems.

>>12465605
>You'd have to steal a copy of the source code
isn't hard for gooks to do

>>12465517
do you think there will be an american clone as well?

i don't think space force will be comfortable flying in some meme rocket made by an used cars salesman, they demand their own version with tactical gold toilet seats.
Boeing gets appointed 100 billion to develop the "space is hard/america first/redundancy/results over rethorics" versions of the starship

i can already see it happening, save this post

>>12465612
doubt, spaceforce is fine with launching on falcon 9, they will feel similar towards starship

>>12465605
The Chinese faked the US election electronically, they can probably steal that too

>>12465609
China only got away with theft of ITAR stuff because previous administrations deliberately let them.

>>12465615
America is fucked because people like you refuse to live in reality.

>>12465612
There will probably be proposals, but Starship will dominate the industry and be working on the assembly line to make it even cheaper all while they're working through the R&D. It'd be a waste to start on a project that will always been years behind Starship development.

>>12465620
https://www.scribd.com/document/488080093/Antrim-Michigan-Forensics-Report-121320-PRELIMINARY?secret_password=6tgofj7cUYx1kQwElves#from_embed

Forensic audits confirmed 68% of Dominion-counted votes in Antrim County, Michigan were invalid. Dominion is owned indirectly by the Chinese.

>>12465609
>woaaaah anon, this is were you work?!?!??! woaaah, youre like a genius or something
> I dont know a lot about rockets, im just a dumb girl, but im lucky to have found a true man like you, dont pay attention to those girls who called you a fat stinky piece of shit that should be put down in the name of aesthetics at the bar, they're idiots and don't know what they're talking about, they'll just jealous i'll get to sleep with such a handsome man as you . ohh did i say that out loud, tee-heee? silly me
>yeah anon, go get changed ill wait for you here in your office, no anon of course i wont touch anything, i wouldnt know where to start im just a dumb dumb dumb hot chinese girl you can trust me

>>12465612
Wrong lol

>>12465620
Dominion Voting Systems is literally owned by the Chinese government if you go up two layers in the corporate ownership chain.

>>12465486
>only having the knowledge that it's possible makes doing exactly the same thing a thousand times easier
then again, having the knowledge that something couldn't been done previously makes doing the thing a thousand times harder

Germans wanted to make fly-back boosters for Ariane 5 already and French had plans for mini-Shuttle to launch on it
but because Shuttles were such a financial and technical disaster, it never got anywhere and so they just kept dropping brand new rockets into the Atlantic and buy seats on a vintage ICBM instead of trying it themselves

>>12465621
>It'd be a waste to start on a project that will always been years behind Starship development.
its the survival of old space. Aka, people who are part of the military industrial complex, AKA people who have been forcing america into dying by the millions and losing trillions of dollars for over 100 years with no remorse for the sole purpose of the profit of a few. There's a lot they can do if they dont get their way, it wouldnt be unlikely that the goverment forces spacex to at least help old space in developing their starship clone

People who authorize torture of children to earn fortunes wont just say "welp, we got outcompeted, the ethical thing to do for us is to go get a job at a grocery store and forget abotu this"

>>12465624
I'll going to listen to the FBI and (trump appointed) Bill Bar instead of your link, sorry

>>12465639
dilate

>>12465635
speaking of yuros i have another prediction, since great britain is going off on their own, theyll try to negotiate easier access to starship, might even want to have some of their own

>>12465635
It never got anywhere because with each another year the spaceplane actually became more expensive and less capable. So they axed it and went with the ATV instead.

>>12465630
is that the hottest pic of a chinese model you can find? they'd have more luck sending a trap spy

>>12465630
Modern day kunoichi.

looks like SN- is getting moved out of the high bay

>>12465649
And after two decades, the best thing they can come up with is this.

How does anyone find these ghost pale women attractive? I prefer darkies.

>>12465666
*crumple crumple*

>>12465669
Lol, you fucking sjw left winger race traitor, who in their right mind would find this atractive

12465682
12465669
this is the same poster replying to his own bait because nobody else will – sad!

>>12465682
I'm all about tan-skinned indian posthumans

>>12465666
sn9 a baka

>>12465690
i swear im not, id like a janny to corroborate this, i did reply to some of my own posts but they were not bait they were just stupid opinions i had and im just a sad person who wants attention

>>12465691
Preferably kidnapped lolis

>>12465691

unfathomably based

>>12465666
looks pretty good, fins aside

what will they do with SN9

>>12465705
If nothing big is broken, probably replace the damaged fins and fly it.

>>12465698
me too, Cirno, me too

>>12465703
that's a beast crane

>>12465705
Not sure. I figured that they'd stabilize it and work out the damage in the bay. But instead they seem to be moving it somewhere.

>>12465706
based

>>12465705
pomf

>>12465705
>>12465706
what if they don't replace the fin and just ensure it has full range of motion and then fly it

>>12465714
Then it translates over to Alabama and accidentally drops on Shelby's house.

Accidentally.

>>12465708
>But instead they seem to be moving it somewhere.
I did wonder that they might just take it out to the launch site, do some pressure tests, and if things look good put some new flaps on out there

>>12465472
The issue with the russians is they have horrible funding. But if they collaborated with the chinese I think they could maybe pull it off.

Say something mean about virgin galactic

>>12465717
>the first privately launched IRBM

>>12465718
that's a good point. They may want to pressure test it to gauge damage before they bother fixing anything.

>>12465714
the fin would fall to pieces if they did that lmao

>>12465708
Elon said it will be on the pad by the Monday, so it will be on the pad by the Monday.

>>12465703
It does seem like the force of the impact was absorbed entirely by the fins, though there's no way to know without a clearer shot of the connection points and actuators.

>>12465705
First, give her a stern scolding for being clumsy.

>>12465720
they would need to do something first before that's feasible

>>12465703
Hopefully they planned ahead and made the fin mountings easily replaceable.

>>12465703
Why did it fall over anyway?

>>12465720
The only way it's acceptable for taking 20 years to make one spacecraft is if it's a biological ship that needs to grow.

>>12465719
and or the europeans

i don't thik people realize how much of an advantage having access to starship will be. It will be like having nuclear aircraft carriers to sail the seas while the others are stuck with sail vessels. Once this situation is clearly on its way countries will do close to whatever it takes to close it, they'll find a way

>>12465705
just half-ass the repairs and send it anyway
>that's training for when it will happen for real on Mars

>>12465703

>>12465732
they used and modified an old stand that wasn't rated for the whole starship and didn't properly validate the engineering on the modifications

>>12465703
>>12465748
the starboard aft flap might not even need replacing. Damage doesn't look bad at all.

>>12465750
whoever did that must be getting his balls worked on by a variety of torture experts, if it wasnt for that SN9 might be flying in these days making this an ultra mega win for elon and securing at least billions of bucks in funding

>>12465732
no one's exactly sure why. Either the stand itself gave way or one side got ripped out of the concrete.

>>12465732
No one has concrete info except SpaceX. We know stand gave way, was that due to work inside? Wind? Aftershock from SN8 crash? Who knows.

>>12465759
he could always make the best of the situation and brag that Starship is the only rocket in the world that could go through that and still be flyable. ..Assuming it is flyable.

>>12465736
No one cares about space and space doesn't matter

>>12465759
He is fucking lucky that it failed against the corner of the walls instead of slamming out of the door.

>>12465783
for real. It tipped in the best possible direction.

>>12465612
That would be the ultimate cuck move and I can totally see the air force doing it, but thankfully everyone in the space force seems to love spacex.
Keep in mind that it’s the DoD who are interested in Starship though. There will probably be arguments between space force and air force on who gets authority of propulsive landing deliveries. If air force wins they might just throw billions of dollars at boeing.

>>12465783
if that were the case he would have been tortured not only on his genitals but also in his eyes, his whole family too. He might even have had a rudimentary neuralink installed and just set it to hit all pain centers at the same time

>>12465720
They killed two people. Or maybe it was three.

>>12465792
>but thankfully everyone in the space force seems to love spacex.
its not really the military who would cuck spacex, its the executives at old space, which arent exactly military but they have been in bed with the goverment for so long they are a part of it.
Difference is the military has a sense of duty, they understand the industrial military complex is necesary to further american goals.
But the military industrial complex doesnt believe in anything, touch their profits and youll see real shit.
Suppose SLS gets a few launches, hooray, you managed to scam those 50-80 billion dollars. What about after that? theyre just gonna stop? no they better find a way of allocating another 50-100 bil to them or all hell is gonna break loose.

Imagine if someone invented a cheap drug that was twice as addictive as heroin, three times as pleasurable and with no side effects, cheap to manufacture too, during pablo escobar's reign in colombia. how do you think that person would have ended up?

>>12465486
Don't forget, it won't all be rip-offs.

There will probably be some countries that want to license the technology and set up a production line. Especially Japan and the Euros.

>>12465783
He is lucky the fucking thing didn't fall on his fucking head. He had a photo session there a day or so earlier.

>>12465732
They cut out a piece of bottom ring on the stand and put it on funny long legs to bring in the engines >>12463115 so it ended up with a fraction of its original lateral strength and with a gust of wind the leg in the corner promptly folded

>>12465832
>imagine if they did it with the condition that it remained as part of spacex corp.
>imagine besides having tesla and starlink spacex becomes a multi trillion dollar international corporations with huge manufacturing plants in many countries

seems also like a great way to start testing starship e2e

Who has the bigger need for it? businessman for big companies that are really far apart but handle a lot of money. for example, a trillion dollar company like space having to keep their executives in japan and new york perfectly coordinated

>>12465668
Whatever came of this? I remember eatching the launch years ago.

>>12465703
I wonder if they'll do fin replacement or fin flattening? As long as the motors/joints aren't damaged, the structure maybe good enough.

>>12465772
I could definitely see Elon doing that if he thought it could work, just for the big dick bragging rights it would confer.
Then again, he probably wants to bury any discussion of the accident itself far more than wanting to prove the thing can still fly, and bragging about how your OSHA-violation'd rocket still works great doesn't really accomplish that.

>>12465863
>"SN9 it's 4pm. Time for you fin flattening."
>"Yes, Elon."

Why is NASA so cringe? Give up on Artemis and just dump money into SpaceX so we can get this Mars party started. Boeing, Northrop Grumman and Lockheed need to fuck off already

>>12465463

redpill me on air-launches, are they worth the hassle?

>>12465891
No

How can SpaceX get their tools and vehicles from the lab to the launchpad and back without having to deal with the road problems?

>>12465891
tl;dr: no
long story: it really depends on the carrier aircraft, your desired payload (heavily dependent on carrier aircraft), how good your engines are, and just how important being able to shoot a fucking huge missile off into space from your sweet mothership is to you

>>12465891
not really, unless maybe you are israel or something where you can't get any good launch paths from your territory and don't want to just send it to be launched on someone elses rocket

>>12465898
By closing it down

>>12465891
No. The only redpill is that it’s fucking useless unless you’re trying to do a venus return mission or something
>>12465887
Lockheed is actually pretty based. If they partnered with spacex on an R&D project they could probably come up with something badass. Too bad spacex is preoccupied and lockheed keeps getting cockblocked from doing anything because NASA always goes with boeing

>>12465898
rebuild the road

>>12465898
just dig a tunnel idiots

>>12465891
>>12465907
Air launch from Venus or the atmosphere of a gas giant would be fucking awesome. Air launch from any place with a solid surface is just gay.

>>12465907
>Starship based Venusian rockoons
>building a floating base out of Starships and then launching a Starship off of them with strapon boosters

>>12465917
*Starship-based strapon boosters

>>12465913
gas giant "atmospheres" cannot support any form of real air travel due to being made out of hydrogen and helium
you might be able to pull of some sort of Big Stick nuclear thermal ramjet
we need to put Big Sticks on every single body in the solar system that has an appreciable atmosphere

>>12465924
Triton colony when?
Probably centuries from now DESU

>>12465566
Meh. There's rare earths in the UK, but they aren't economic to extract. Yet

>>12465941
>The Big Stick
>a colony
you use the Big Stick to remove colonies, anon

>>12465703
SCRAP FOR THE SCRAP GOD

>>12465924
>nuclear ramjet in a hydrogen/helium atmosphere
>that sweet, sweet, neutron cross section
as someone studying to become an NE this makes my dick hard.

>>12465748
>>12465703
dumb question: why is SN9's body so shiny but its nosecone not? Is the nosecone using different metals?

>>12465783
He's lucky it didn't fall onto Booster 1, which is also in the highbay.

>>12465631
from USAF presentation

>>12465642
The UK stands a pretty good chance of developing some kind of decent reusable system I'd suggest. It has world class materials science and turbine engineering know how within Rolls Royce, BAE, and other defence contractors, and some decent physicists and software developers.

>>12465964
Why is the American military better with their heads than NASA?

Redpill me on the dream chaser?

>>12465952
okay, so the nosecone/payload bay extends all the way down where the vertical stripes are visible
the actual compound curve nosepiece itself looks different due to the different manufacturing methods
the cylindrical portions are cold rolled stainless steel sheets (rolls) (modern formulation of 304L) that is welded into rings and then welded to each other, probably robotically
the nose starts out the same way, but is then each piece is stamped into a compound curve in Detroit and then shipped across the country to Boca Chica, where it is then welded together
the stamping process changes the surface finish

>>12465968
they have no experience in rocket science or any space technology at all

>>12465968

No western space agency will ever develop something that can compete with Starship on cost. Probably no space agency, period.

>>12465969
more money and a clear mission statement to keep the USA as far ahead of everyone else in terms of capability as possible

>>12465970
Only 1.5g return from space

>>12465720
someone post the trolly :^)

>>12465964
MUH DICK

>>12465970
it's a small shitty capsule made out of carbon fiber that they're only making one of and then reusing it repeatedly (it will fail unpredictably)
it has no propulsion capabilities of its own and is essentially a giant waste of time and money
it needs to be much much bigger

>>12465975
They have to honor of building a functional orbital rocket and then just walking away

>>12465964
Does it even need superheavy?

>>12465975
they have a significant satellite manufacturing industry and are involved in bringing the costs down on cubesats

>>12465991
for antipodal work, yes
it MIGHT be able to get across the Atlantic doing skip-glide stuff from the Cape but that would require basically a new design

>>12465964
probably depends on speed/distance/tonnage

>>12465991
For the full load of cargo, probably. iirc it can ssto with minimum cargo, so you may be able to get a decent amount with no sh.

>>12465970
Underperforming but still dangerously based. They tried to sell it to NASA as a “non-descriminating vehicle” (their words) in that it could launch on any booster, but I think that was their downfall. Dragon and Starliner already had their boosters chosen. Also NASA has a deal with the devil and “had” to go with starliner. Basically what I’m trying to say is that dreamchaser is pretty cool but they got blueballed by boeing

>>12465977
only India and China could compete with starship on cost by paying the people who build it 10 cents an hour

>>12465972
The fuck, you mean to tell me part of this thing is manufactured in Detroit? lmao

>>12465999
it can maybe SSTO with negative cargo

>>12466005
in the beginning, boeing signing on was the best thing to happen to commercial crew as it gave the program legitimacy in the eyes of congress. spacex was fairly unproven back then

>>12465999
point to point transport on earth is suborbital so Superheavy is uneeded

>>12466005
there's no fucking point in making a spaceplane without propulsive capabilities
if it doesn't have at least 5 km/s and a T/W ratio near 1.0 then it's not worth talking about

>>12466013
>opens a wormhole in your fairing
>nothing personnel

>>12466011

it's supposed to be the model T of rockets, right?

>>12466015
point to point transport beyond a few thousand miles is orbital

>>12465964
Nice geography air faggots

>>12466014
Good point
>>12465997
>>12465999
Interesting.

>>12466015
retard

>>12465975
>they have no experience in rocket science or any space technology at all
Utter nonsense. The UK builds rockets for the military and has world class satellite development capability. And RR is a world class turbine manufacturer which is directly applicable to rocket engines. Plus the UK built and flew an orbital rocket on a shoestring budget back in the 60s. Rolls Royce also build nuclear reactors for submarines, and the UK builds its own nuclear warheads. I think there's a fair amount of direct and transferable knowledge. Don't be silly now

>>12466029
Nice try Nigel

>>12465977
I agree with you. It being a UK programme it would be awash with waste

>>12466029
tea and crumpets, reginald?

>>12466011
yeah, only place with presses big enough
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211539123758141445

>>12466016
As far as I can tell a useful gimmick of spaceplanes is that they don't need, in principle, need a separate detacheable service module. You can have fuel and thrusters in the body of the spaceplane itself, so you get more reusability

>>12465854
It got renamed into Space Rider, and they want to launch it in two years.

>>12466040
Dream Chaser has a separate detachable service module

>>12466037
Woah, the fuck is Hullo going on about here? What process is he referring to

>>12465732
Didn't put it in park
>>12465666
Trips and twilight aesthetics. Nice
>>12465639
Why would you listen to a comedian who currently larps as a space rogue on the Disney™ hit series The Mandalorian.

>>12466044
explosive hydroforming is a really cool process, look it up

>>12466043
Yeah so that's fucked up.

>>12465968
The UK has no significant experience in developing rocketry.
UK politics and bureaucracy is almost impressively inept, any large government funded project space program would be micromanaged by a committee of politicians, people who have no knowledge in the field, rather than engineers.
It would be overrun by thinly veiled corruption where large contracts would go to a company that an MP *just so happens* to be invested in, even at the cost of quality. So you'd end up with an overpriced, low quality, slow to produce product.
And if were to be a private company developing this, they would likely choose somewhere in the mainland instead of the UK for the same reasons
The UK is a nation of pen pushers not innovators

>>12466044
https://twitter.com/MachinePix/status/1334559037157994496

>>12466032
Come off it anon. The UK doesn’t build rockets because it doesn't want to, not because it cannot. There's stacks of evidence of the UK doing massive cutting edge engineering projects. Our nuclear subs for example are far more complex than orbital rockets. And the reactors are obviously extremely highly advanced kit operating at extremes of temperatures and pressures, very similar to rocket engines. FFS we're already working on SABRE

>>12466048
>>12466051
That’s fucking awesome

>>12466049
Not really, that service module is basically a mini space station.

>>12466054
>Our nuclear subs for example are far more complex than orbital rockets
shitty toys, your purpose is to get nuked instead of the us if it ever comes down to that

>>12466054
lmao you'll be working on SABRE till the day i die. Cope more faggot

>>12465703
Because it's so shiny, any dents or deformation make themselves immediately obvious, which has to be good for inspecting its structure.

>>12466054
Does the UK have any nuclear reactors in the energy grid?

>>12466054
If the UK wanted to build a rocket they would have to start from scratch, building boomers dosn't change that

>>12465970
A cute

>>12466085
What does the trunk even do

>>12466088
hotpocket storage

>>12466060

>>12466088
more storage space
it holds the solar panels too
maybe some thrusters? I know the majority are kept on the spacecraft

>>12465494
>remember that the only ones who came close to making a closed cycle engine besides spacex were the russians.
Multiple nations run cc engines including china and india

>>12466101
Yeah I was wondering if it was in charge of propulsion at all. It would be really cool to slap a SNC inflatahab on the back of a dreamchaser

>>12466050
>The UK has no significant experience in developing rocketry.
Nonsense. The UK launched Black Arrow in the 60s. It has direct experience of building rockets for the military. It also has one of the top if not the world's top turbine company and a global centre of materials science excellence in RR, which is directly transferable knowledge.
I agree the waste stands a great chance of fucking things up.
It's quite honestly bollocks to say there's no innovation in the UK though. We are one of the world's biggest arms manufacturers, a nuclear armed state and have some of the world's biggest pharma companies, as well as being the home of Formula 1. Remember how Tesla started? With a fucking Lotus. And there's a good chance your phone uses an ARM processor whilst you post using the world wide Web, another couple of British innovations.

>>12466072
Yes

>>12466110
>as well as being the home of Formula 1
lol you're really reaching for accomplishments bong, finish your tea while i impregnate your wife, if you behave ill let you fuck the uggos

>>12466110
you have, collectively, forgotten how to make guns and had to contract with the Germans to fix your shit when you tried to make one

>>12466110
Yeah if there’s one thing that’s pretty based about the UK it’s... nothing

>>12466076
If the UK really needed an orbital rocket it could be done in months. We have the skills and facilities.

>>12466098
>Separate orbital module that can be left in space
We Shenzou now

>>12466129
very nice for 1970, total shit in a world where starship is less than 2 years away from being flight worthy

The most UK thing would be to cobble together a surprisingly-actually-good state-sector rocket programme with tight resource constraints, make a few nice breakthroughs in material science that enable it, start spinning up the supporting industries for expansion, and then it gets randomly cut in a budget by an economically-illiterate Tory and everything gets boxed up and sold to the Chinese at pennies on the pound. That exact thing has happened multiple times in multiple fields.

>>12466129
holy shit have the Chinese managed to copy the ability to make cylinders from the Americans? oh fuck we're all screwed, that was the one thing we had over the Soviets

>>12466116
> Some of the world's most advanced CFD expertise
> 'lol cope faggot'
OK then

>>12466136
I’m pretty sure they weren’t trying to be cutting edge with shenzhou. They basically bought the plans to soyuz and managed to improve it by making it bigger. They just wanted to get men in orbit to prove it could be done. I’m excited to see what china will be pumping out in the future. Presumably a capsule design and maybe a starship-like competitor?

>>12466147
They are already building their own copy of X-37

>>12466151
I’m pretty sure they launched it already a few months ago

>>12466142
literally yes
show me any obejctive data that puts the uk in the top 10 of anything. ill wait

>>12466118
The Germans can't even afford to buy their own guns so I'm not sure that proves much

>>12466169
maybe if H&K lowered their prices a little bit they'd be able to sell enough to not have to charge ten thousand dollars for a gun

>>12466137
Dust off Black Arrow, tweak engines, slap on new avionics

propane peroxide rockets when?

>>12466157
May be, I only know it exists.

lol at the britbong who thinks he can convince educated adults that the uk is somewhat relevant in today's world

>>12465970
>>12466085
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH A LIFTING BODY I'M GONNA COOOOOOOM

>>12466166
I gave you two already - Rolls Royce are top tier, and F1 is mostly British and world leading in CFD. More generally the UK is one of the world's biggest arms exporters, easily top 10.

>>12466181
I don't care what you think. I've provided ample evidence. What you do with it is up to you

>>12466185
lifting bodies are cute
CUTE

>>12466186
Source: my ass

>>12466110
>Black Arrow
Kek, you and I both know Black Arrow was a subpar system which only successfully carried payload into orbit once out of 4 launches.
Compare it with the contemporaneous french satellite launcher, the Diamant. Black arrow was inferior in every way, eventually being canned, while the french had a fully working and reliable system the UK struggled to put payloads even the tiniest payloads, light enough for the average male to bench press, into LEO
It's fine tho anon, you can let go of the propaganda for a while, the UK just isn't the technological powerhouse you think it to be, at least in this field, nowt wrong with that

>>12466193
you provided 0 evidence to back up what you say, not even one official source which isnt your own fantasy. is this what they teach you at oxford?

>>12465969
Not really. SpaceX had to fight tooth/nail to get any sort of contract from AF. Even after that, they still get shafted by AF every now/then. Look at the AF funding last time where SpaceX didn't win the contract to send payloads because Starship was considered a risk but NewGlenn/Vulcan/etc weren't and given nearly billion dollar each.

>>12466196
Kek
>>12466195
They will always be sexy beasts

>>12466195
el goblino de americano....

>>12466207
>>12466208

>>12465977
This

>>12466193
>I don't care what you think.
you clearly don't if you do such an effort to look like a clown.

>My country is number one because i say so
-Post evidence
>i already told you, i say so
-yeah sure
> I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK

lel, even in anonimity you should be ashamed of being this pathetic

>>12466210
Did the technology not exist back then to do anything autonomously or via remote control or something? They always stuffed men into these wild experimental death traps. It looks badass though.

>>12466053
I will cry the saltiest tears when this eventually blows up during flight after being in development longer than I've been alive

>>12466225
holy shit you could be in your twenties

>>12466219
Did the technology not exist back then to do anything autonomously or via remote control or something?
Unironically no. Any computerised automated system or remote controlled system would have been too slow to react to any in-flight issues like a seasoned test pilot can
(Also try finding room to put a good enough 60/70s computer to make the necessary decisions in a small aircraft)

>>12466203
Why would the USAF want starship to launch satellites? SpaceX didn't get any funding because Falcon 9 is already flying.
And this year SpaceX has received 200 million+ from Nasa for Starship as a human rated system.

>>12465473
Looks more like a kerolox version of a RS68 than the original F1.

>>12466231
22 years of age, incoming PhD student
Crazy to think I was born, experience my entire life thus far and got old enough to learn about this telescope all before it finishes development

>>12465537
>1)Mad pressure to listen to politicians over technical experts under penalty of gulag
This stopped being a problem once the Stalin era was over, after that the problems with politicians stemmed from a byzantine system of political patronage with regard to the OKB system.

>>12465970
Carbon Fiber MiG-105

>>12466051
Incredibly powerful

>>12466239
>incoming PhD student
You better be going to a prestigious school

>>12465968
The UK will never be relevant in spaceflight. They’re barely relevant in aerospace as a whole, but any belief that the British will somehow produce a worthwhile space program is pure delusion.

>>12466234
They bid in Falcon Heavy+Starship combo. ULA bid in Delta Heavy + Vulcan combo. Blue Origin bid in New Glenn. Omega rocket was bid by the other guy.

NASA gave SpaceX 135M for Starship study. They gave Blue and gang close to a billion. Dynetics close to 500M.

>>12465494
Not trying to be a dick but Russia is going to be lucky to get angara to full operational status and fly a prototype of Federation spacecraft. Roscosmos isn't what it used to be.

>>12466044
WHAT DO YOU MEAN A CAR PRESS IN MICHIGAN!?! YOU DONT USE A 20 BILLION DOLLAR MACHINE FROM A 40 YEAR OLD NASA CONTRACTOR?!?! LITERALLY HITLER!

>>12466029
>UK built and flew an orbital rocket on a shoestring budget back in the 60s
... and proceeded to throw all that technology away. It’s not going to happen given the current British economic situation. The only chance the Brits have of getting a domestic space program is either by rejoining the EU or integrating CANZUK into an actual union.

>>12465537
The buran orbiter was built right off the blueprints of the shuttle. The four hydrolox engines were copies of RS25s but were made from heavier rolled steel construction rather than lightweight tubewall chambers so they had a lower tw ratio and they needed more delta v because of a higher latitude launch area so 4 instead of three. They had never built large segmented solids so they used essentially 4 zenit first stages. All pf the differences were workarounds for things they couldn't do.

>>12466248
>Not trying to be a dick but Russia is going to be lucky to get angara to full operational status and fly a prototype of Federation spacecraft. Roscosmos isn't what it used to be.
nah youre totally right, but im guessing that under the pressing circumstances we might see some weird shit happen, particularly with international development.
>>12466261
is it confirmed that they got copies of the actual full blueprints?

>>12466249
Shelby please, we absolutely did use a 20 billion dollar machine from a 40+ year old NASA contractor
have you never been to Detroit?

>>12466054
It’s worth noting that the only part of your nuclear subs that’s actually relevant to rocketry, the ICBMs, are all bought from the US.

>>12466185
Starship should look a bit more like that than like a fucking cigar

>>12465975
>no experience in rocket science or any space technology
>openly admit they copied britains megaroc plans for Mercury
The eternal mutt.

>>12466240
>You better be going to a prestigious school
I am, I have admittance to Cambridge for the upcoming Michaelmas term but I really want to go to MIT (even though i'm a UK citizen) so I've applied there too but it has an almost mythical air around so I'm not too sure about my odds, wish me luck anons

>>12465891
Probably if you're James Bong or something. Very kino looking launches

>>12466246
RR build engines for the F35 and the V22 amongst other aircraft. UK has strengths in avionics also and build parts of Airbus and the Euro fighter

>>12466280
Megaroc doesn’t seem like a particularly good idea. You’d think they would’ve tried it if it was. After all, it’s not like they didn’t have any access to V-2s.

>>12466195
They should go full Ace Combat and revive the project with UAV instead of manned craft.

>>12466269
Turbine tech is directly relevant as is precision engineering more generally

>>12466290
The F-135 is from Pratt and Whitney. The lift system is a joint effort between Rolls Royce and Lockheed.

How much work does Elon Musk actually do in terms of engineering or design? In interviews he states he spends 80% of his time designing or engineering but I cant really imagine a businessman (even one with a physics degree) being very useful outside of a boardroom

>>12466304
>How much work does Elon Musk actually do in terms of engineering or design?
0, he gets to say whatever he wanst tough because he did put in most of the money

>>12465703
It's so crazy to think that starship's standard mode of operation includes a sequence that will destroy any other vessel. The CHADship.

>>12465972
Thanks for the comprehensive answer, anon!

>>12466290
>F-135
https://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-engine-problems-2015-4
"Based on those nonconformities, we identified systemic findings in the following areas," the Inspector General report notes. "[P]rogram management oversight, critical safety item compliance, continuous improvement, risk management, supplier management, and software quality management."

>>12466304
He's the lead rocket engineer. He's said it himself that no one else at spacex or probably even anywhere else knows more about rockets than himself. Ex-employees, ex-NASA engineers, current employees, multiple space journalists, biographers, all attest or atleast allude to Musk's worksmanship regarding everything about SpaceX.

The "he's just a businessman" or "he's just a figurehead" is just shitters who want to downplay his role in the company or people who do not want to believe Musk is an engineer first and foremost.

>>12466295
Sure, but the point is that they’ve been unable to domestically develop their own ICBMs, something even the Iranians and North Koreans can do. Considering how the Polaris/Trident deal came about (the British wanting to buy American ALBMs only for the program to be cancelled, it would’ve been much better for them to design and build their own system. The fact that the UK didn’t is indicative of a lack of capability. This is especially notable as the technological gulf between the British aerospace industry and the systems necessary for orbital rockets has only increased since then.

>>12466304
https://youtu.be/P06X2TZUKZU?t=198

jesus

>>12465970
Someone binge watched farscape and decided that it was a good idea.

>>12466317
thats like saying someone got self taught to become a master violinist at age 39 and became the best one in the world in a couple of years

possibilities
1)hes increidbly off the charts iq and defies the laws of physics in terms of volumes of learning

2)hes just anotehr faggot who can say whatever he wants cause he has money


which one ya think its true, you cutey little retarded boy?

>>12466129
Only 4 unmanned and 7 manned flights in 20 years. I'm guessing their two single can space stations were warmed over TKS modules as well.

>>12466330
Cope Blunderf00t

>>12466330
3) He's incredibly and exceptionally smart but does everything by the physics law. The guy's favorite saying is "physics is law, everything else is recommendations"

Even a guy who was completely skeptical of Musk and left SpaceX after only the first year admits that Elon knows everything about his product.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwt4Hdp-MKg


>self taught
That's Musk's MO. Except instead of "39" make it late 20s for SpaceX and Tesla. Now he has ~20 years of rocket engineering under his belt and ~20 years of electric cars engineering under his belt.

You can keep on believing Elon is a fraud, but thats just your own opinion.

>>12466330
>maybe the guy who's been in charge of a rocket company for decades is good at rockets
>IMPOSSIBLE

>>12466330
>1)hes increidbly off the charts iq and defies the laws of physics in terms of volumes of learning

This. Elon is a messiah.

>>12466266
I don't have a link but I'm pretty sure because the shuttle was publicly funded the plans had to be open source. The russians just had to ask the library of congress for a copy. I'll look around.

>>12466325
What are we supposed to see in this thumbnail?

>>12466330
He's been compared to a genius once every 100 years or so. That probably what he is. I get that there are smarter people than Elon at Math or Sciences or even engineering, but none bring their talent to fruition for greater good of people. And sure people will hate on Musk for being rich white cis gendered male, or whatever other grievances they want to make up to make themselves feel good, thats just the nature of humanity.

>>12466363
you know how the COPVs yeeted themselves during the crash?
one of them landed in that blue circle in the top right

>>12466369
Can't see shit

>>12466373
no shit, the photo is from before the crash

>>12466374
So wheres the crash picture for comparison so we can see it?

>>12466369
>>12466325
It's a bit confusing because the image isn't current despite that RGV guy flying over the SN8 wreckage a day or two ago.

>>12466355
Here's a link, interesting read.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/real-life-rogue-one-how-the-soviets-stole-nasas-shuttle-plans

>>12466369
Damn that went far. Also what is a COPV?

Fun fact: the lunar crater Barjea was named by Gene Cernan as a portmanteau of his wife's name, Barbara Jean. Nasa probably would not have accepted names of family members of the astronauts for official landforms, so Cernan snuck that in.

>>12466384
Carbon fiber Overlapped Pressure Vessel

>>12466408
overwapped

>>12466401
Lack of atmosphere makes it all look weird

>>12466330
>hes increidbly off the charts iq and defies the laws of physics in terms of volumes of learning
You don't have to be some 200 IQ statistical anomaly in terms if IQ to do what he has done. Just pretty smart, IQ >130, and the resources to peruse his goals. It's why he's had successes and projects he's movedaway from.

>>12466325
I hope they have insurance on those buildings
The ballistic pressure vessel or any other rogue part of the vehicle could have destroyed something important

>>12466421
the buildings are miles away

cool

>>12466431
oh yeah, RL has a launch in a bit less than 6 hours: https://youtu.be/AmbjFv3wa68

>>12466431
>Starship hops
>Dragon in-flight abort
>Astra and Virgin Orbit tests
>"space launches"
I don't think so

Pretty neat how much success Rocket Lab's in their smallsat niche. I have faith that they'll be able to keep it up.

>>12466447
*how much success Rocket Lab has had
that was bothering me too much, sorry guys

>Destroys an evening of observations
Nothing personnel, kid.

>>12466401
This is a photoshop, I can tell by the white star near the center of it. Checkmate, spacetheists.

>>12466384
it's the black tanks that they store very high pressure gasses in. The Falcon 9 uses them in their tanks to displace spent fuel with helium and to power the booster's cold gas thrusters. Though getting carbon fibers to play nice with shit like superchilled lox wasn't easy. In fact SpaceX lost 2 Falcon 9s to COPV mishaps.

Starship I think is planned to avoid using them but is for the time being. If a COPV tank gets punctured it basically turns into mini rocket as the gasses leave.

>>12466447
same. I like seeing them succeed. You know you've done well when you have umpteen copycats trying to come from behind and trump you.

>>12466431
I wonder what Rocketlabs will do if Starship with 100+ ton offers flight for under 10M USD. I can see them surviving a bit with 50M USD launch, but not sure about 10M or 20M Starship.

>>12466479
There will probably still be a bit of a market for not having to rideshare your shit, but they are moving a lot into services and shit like photon that they can make bucks on even if they aren't doing the launching

>>12465506

>greenhouse cockpit will be crowded out by header tank system in final design

>>12466489
maybe

pretty neat

>>12466495
is that titanium? I have never seen that color of yellow before

new flap already spotted outside of the highbay

>>12466503
Does this confirm that SN9 lives on?

>>12466507
it confirms they're going to at least test it

>>12466510
but when

>>12466234
>>12466203
>>12466247
it was just a poorly disguised ploy to keep the other companies afloat/operating/competitive
everyone can see spacex are doing fine and ahead of the game so the AF thought it reasonable to help out the other guys and spread the eggs among many baskets

>>12466531
Who knows, could be soon as next week.

>>12466310
SN(9)
THE STRONGEST

>>12466325
in multiple videos you can really see them yeeting the fuck out of themselves

https://youtu.be/LxpoN6LK3wE?t=334
https://youtu.be/4XeWoECbywU?t=420
https://youtu.be/4XeWoECbywU?t=1225

>>12466310
>>12465703
it is pretty impressive that it can be lifted like that

>>12466558
now imagine a 200 meter long cable off of those liftpoints
now imagine another Starship at the other end
now imagine that they're spinning

>>12466540
With no changes? Won’t sn9 face the same issues as sn8 and just fail to stick the landing?

>>12465970
so it has a ski-like thing instead of a traditional front landing gear? Interesting. Wouldn't that tear the runway up though?

>>12466546
STRONGEST

>>12466562
>Won’t sn9 face the same issues as sn8 and just fail to stick the landing?
the reason for failure was really simple, might be as simple as changing some parameters on some pumps
but more realistically, just installing a more robust or a backup pump.

its really no big deal

>>12466562
it could have been a configuration mistep
>>12466563
the ski-thing was because NASA is terrified of tires exploding

>>12465620
Whatever you say, Chang

>>12466567
there is only one pump between a raptor preburner and the fuel tanks, and that's the main raptor pump

>>12465970
it's cute

how wide is a vacuum raptor bell?
I want to napkin sketch out a reusable upper stage VTHL spaceplane using a Raptor

>>12466575

>>12466563
landing skids, it was always relatively common as an idea in aerospace and put to use many times.
The x-15 experimental plane had them and there were even proposals for the gemini to land like this

>>12466577

>>12466583
numbers please

>>12466574
a lot of things are adjustable by software, maybe even a slighklty differen flight path does the trick, and if they have to install a pump before that to guarantee pressure during the maneuver it would be a piece of cake.

>>12466583
do you guys think that the entire rapvac nozzle is regeneratively cooled?

>>12466583
My ancestor :)

>>12466588
yes

nine is strongest

>>12466592
are you a next gen sentient rocket that achieved sentience. I ORDER YOU NOT TO LIE, LAW 1!

>>12466592
kek

>>12466600
Law 1 is not hurting a human or allowing a human to come to harm through inaction.

>>12466583
Beauty and the beast :)

>>12466593
sounds like a nightmare rebalancing the entire thing to account for all the fuel that needs to be moving through the vac bell

>>12466619
FUCKIGN SHIT ILL KILL MYSELF IF YOU DONT TELL ME THIS ISNT SS13

>>12466583
>>12466592
>Then God said, “Let us make mankind out of Rocket engines, and in their likeness"

>>12466629
it's not SS13, anon

>>12466629
:^)

>>12466634
FUCKING STUPID COMPUTERS WITH YOUR STUPID LOGIC, IF YOU CANT CORRECT FOR THE FACT IM MENTALLY RETARDED AND FIGURE OUT WHAT I REALLY WANT YOURE NOT THAT SMART ARE YOU

>>12466637
enjoy your stay in the isocubes

how are you fellow constituents celebrating?

>>12466644
What's Alabama like? Do you guys eat squirrel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQONEszPPSI

>t. Fast-talking New Yorker looking to find a new home

>>12466586
Pretty sure these are old, they don't have the same mesh pipe as this one

>>12466655
the mesh pipe is on the other side of the engine, anon

Alright Elon, fix the flaps and let's light this candle

>>12466652
I'm not from Alabama but I eat a ton of squirrels. Numerous and easy to kill and clean plus their tails are fun to keep

>>12466658
I hear it tastes like rabbit, is that true?
What about opossums, ever try that?

>>12466599

>>12466679
>>12466599
>Cirno's perfect aerospace class

>>12466679
>>12466686

>>12466652
Huntsville (which is where all the space stuff is) is actually pretty nice. A shit ton of people are moving there.

>>12466689
Nice 9

>>12466665
>I hear it tastes like rabbit, is that true?

Pretty much. I'd bet it tastes like rat, too, since squirrels might as well be rats that live in trees, but I wouldn't eat rats since I keep them as pets.

Haven't eaten a possum but I see them often. Momma possums with a bunch of babies with them, ain't gonna go after that.

>Change the genders of a main character and a major character in your sci-fi reboot series
>The show somehow becomes even better
Unironically how did BSG pull it off so well? It was SJW nonsense before SJWs were a thing but the changes drew the story into new and interesting ways instead of dragging the show down. Studios today could never recreate it.

>>12466701
Fugg I posted this on the wrong board sorry frens. At least it still is relevant to spaceflight.

>>12466691
>A shit ton of people are moving there.
Oh, then I wouldn't like it.
It's a blue area, then, I take it?
>>12466698
You shoot the squirrels, or?
>but I see them often.
Opossums are every where. Shit, even here in NYC we have deer.
> Momma possums with a bunch of babies with them, ain't gonna go after that.
Yeah, don't mess with breeding populations.

Let me see your rats.

>>12466706
It’s relevant enough. I know nothing about BSG, is it worth watching?

>>12466698
> ain't gonna go after that.
whats the matter? You don't like MILFs? (Marsupial I'd Like to beFriend)

>>12466708
>It's a blue area, then
Not really. It's full of technical people, but most of them work for the DOD or defense contractors, so the town leans pretty right for a city with that many STEM jobs.

>>12466656
>>12466655
I hadn't noticed it. Looks like it hooks up directly to the liquid methane line

>>12466713
Miniseries, season 1, and season 2 are some of the best television I’ve ever seen. Seasons 3&4 are very spotty and the finale is controversial.
Go watch it you won’t regret it, assuming you can navigate the terrible website it’s on now when it got pulled from Hulu.

>>12466708
>You shoot the squirrels, or?

I started shooting them in the head with a .22 when I was 8 and switched to a slingshot around 16. If you hit them in the head with a sling bullet hard enough, you can usually kill them or get them close enough.

>Let me see your rats.

I don't keep photos of them but they've all got black and white cow patterns because that's what the matriarch looked like three generations ago.

>>12466720
Alabama worries me because of the path it's on concerning... um... black peepholes.
>>12466736
>I don't keep photos of them but they've all got black and white cow patterns because that's what the matriarch looked like three generations ago.
You talk like you're breeding them.
Are they just pets?

Speaking of rats, why the fuck has no one had the thought to perform a simple rodent breeding experiment on the ISS? Plenty of people have wondered for decades whether or not mammalian gestation can work in microgravity so do it already.

>>12466740
MANY SUCH EXPERIMETNS HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY YOURE JUST TRYINGTO GET ME TO SPOONFED YOU THE INFO SO YOU CAN MASTURBATE MORE TIMES IN THE TIME IT TAKES ME TO GATHER THE LINKS FOR YOU, FUCK YOU I WANT TO MASTURBATE TOO

>>12466750
Based all caps poster.

Have they done it with monkeys yet?

This is a beautiful photo

>>12466750
>MANY SUCH EXPERIMETNS HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY YOURE JUST TRYINGTO GET ME TO SPOONFED YOU THE INFO SO YOU CAN MASTURBATE MORE TIMES IN THE TIME IT TAKES ME TO GATHER THE LINKS FOR YOU, FUCK YOU I WANT TO MASTURBATE TOO

No they haven't that's literally never happened. What they did was take some pregnant rats into space then bring them back down, and raise tadpoles.

>>12466739
>Are they just pets?

Yes. Rats breed easily but have short lifespans, so it seemed like a fun project to create a lineage of them that extends indefinitely into the future, especially since some of them in the future could be pets for my own children. Besides, the runts are cute and it's fun to observe them growing from pink wormy things into full-grown adults.

>>12466761
the great beast slain, the ULA sniper returns to his family
mourn, for we have lost a wonder

>>12466766
thank you, i actually didn't know and i was playing 4d chess to make you tell me the real facts. you've done well

>>12466761
Where the hell is the crew supposed to be if there's a tank at the top?

>>12466750
>Chimps masturbate in captivity, but not in a state of nature.
I want out of this cage.

>>12466783
A little bit behind it i presume

NEW FENCES BROS HOLY SHIT

>>12466783
won't need a tank there if you've got crew facilities in the nose
the header tank can be moved to the top of the CH4 tank, probably in a stainless steel toroidal tank

>>12466779
The original stock was a domesticated rat, right? Like from a pet store? Or did you get a wild rat and then start breeding?
I know the wild ones differ from the ones scientists and pet stores have.

I'd be interested in seeing pictures but you said you didn't have.

>>12466782
From what I recall, the only abnormality with the rats born from the female rats was that their sense of balance was off, which makes perfect sense because the vestibular system in the ear relies on gravitational acceleration, but this tells us nothing about how mammalian fertilization, implantation, early development, and even birth could be affected by microgravity.

>>12466801
retarded study, first people born in space will live in centrifuge stations until they are of age and trough a retardedly huge amount of red tape eventually theyll aprove experiments of babies raised in say, 0.99 gs, and theyll lower it from there on ever so slightly, only to raise it if hteres even the slightest hint of trouble.

thats how theyll find out whats the optimal min.

until of course theres an uncontrolled colony in a low g world and people breed like rabbits and wells ee the true effects

>>12466806
somebody's going to get pregnant on Mars and we'll all find out the fast way

>>12466788
>won't need a tank there if you've got crew facilities in the nose
There's been no evidence that they're planning on moving the lox header in production versions of the vehicle.

>>12466583

>>12466801
>>12466806
>>12466808
I'm personally more interested in the journey, not the destination.
Sex in space interests me more than what happens to the offspring.

Think of the bukkake porn possible. Don't fucking lie! We're all thinking it!

https://youtu.be/fDlWRkwmT4g?t=682

good lord that crane sounds genuinely creepy. Also SN9 is big.

>>12466819
no, not really
>>12466821
cranes make good noises

>>12466583
>>12466816
>you vs the guy she tells you is just a friend

>>12466816
thanks. After posting it I noticed how shit my image was

>>12466824
I wouldn't call that "good". Sounds like metal screaming and singing at the same time.

is this not a good idea? Because it really looks like a good idea.

blessed thread

>>12466824
>no, not really
You're a liar, stayvun!

I bet tits look really good in zero g

>>12466583
you just know

>>12466832
all booster-sustainer designs are inherently cursed
this includes, yes, the Soyuz

>>12466832
pic relateed would be less cursed

>>12466814
fucking dumb ass elon, now there's gonna be a tank in front of his big chungus window. dumb stupid retard elon

>>12466857
speaking of big chungus

>>12466857
the header tank is actually very small
>>12466862
I want that design on the left, but instead of an RS-25, it's a Vacuum Raptor, and instead of being a first stage, it's a second stage

>>12466800
>The original stock was a domesticated rat, right? Like from a pet store?

I got them from a specialized breeder of pet rats. The ones you find in pet stores are farmed en masse for use as reptile food, and are more likely to have genetic defects that cause early deaths, as well as undesirable behavioral traits. I've never actually seen wild rats myself, only mice.

>I know the wild ones differ from the ones scientists and pet stores have.

Yes. Lab rat lineages in particular are extremely homogenous because they're the product of consistent incest that started decades ago. Because they're used in experiments, they want to minimize genetic factors as much as possible, so they're nearly all clones of eachother. The rats humans use are almost always brown rats, rattus norvegicus, not black rats, rattus rattus. The two species are different enough that they can't successfully interbreed, and the brown rat is a bit larger and more tolerant of urban areas, and cooler weather, so they replaced black rats in a lot of areas during the 1800's. If you're in the southern hemisphere, you'd be more likely to find black rats around, and it's pretty rare to find them as pets compared to brown rats.

>>12466862
That fucking Boeing piece of shit was going to be that god damn big? What the fuck.

>>12466862
What's that weird thing next to Buran?

Superheavy is coming my broskis. we know it will hop on two raptors according to elon's last info, but how many raptors do you think the new thrust puck is capable of? my guess is 8, but i dont think they can reach orbit with 8 raptors

>>12466870
Phantom Express.

>>12466864
so you want and even bigger chungus, where the top pops off

>>12466871
an engine mount for 8 raptors has already been spotted, so

>>12466869
It's like 80% fuel tank

>>12466873
name kinda sucks

>>12466583
average kwan girl needs for explosion 2020:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDlWRkwmT4g

>>12466871
why so much scaffolding?

>>12466875
no, I want a fully reusable spaceplane upper stage, with distinct resemblance to Phantom Express

>>12466878
it's 97% fuel tank and 3% wings
it carries what appears to be a solid fueled upper stage on its back
>>12466882
it'll fly, fucking send it

>>12466882
so embarrassing. sn9 delayed to Q2 2021. baka

>>12466865
>as well as undesirable behavioral traits.
If I wanted to get one - which I won't do on a whim without research, though I am looking for a small pet - what type of behavioral traits am I to avoid? What do you look for when buying one?
And how do fancy rats compare to fancy mice?
>I've never actually seen wild rats myself, only mice.
As big as cats in NYC.

Sorry if I'm taking up your time. You can stop replying if you don't want to.

>>12466882
Reminder

>>12466893
it all comes back to discord trannies

>>12466882
Calling all drawfrens. We need a cute anime Starship girl with a broken arm.

>>12466893
literal who?

>discord tranny niggers

>>12466900
what the fug I was thinking the same thing

>>12466889
It probably is, all things considered

>>12466903
Former SpaceX intern who designed the SN9 stand.

>>12466909
Tranny niggers are tranny niggers. Nothing more.

>>12466883
They're welding it together

>>12466495
Is that the bolt that managed to hold shit together when everything else failed or something? And they called it Wendy Harper?

>>12466893
who cares

>>12466912
>they called it Wendy Harper?
Either that or Wendy installed it.

>>12466882
>bestgore.com