/sci/ - Science & Math

Bless this thread

2nd for skydiving Starship.

>>12454993
rocket is now wet :/,
but also blessed:).
confusing chain of events is confusing.

A United Rentals forklift will be the first land vehicle on Mars.

>>12455006
still amazed that this is real time no matter how many times I watch it

Some video wiz should make an edit of the bellyflop footage that adds a to-scale human skydiver or some other familiar object next to it.
That's the part of the video where the scale of the thing is hardest to recognize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMxcrTFO4Lc
DC-X may be dead, but his spirit lives on among us.

>>12455006
Would they have reused parts of the sn8 if it would have survived the landings?
>Hardmode, if it had landed with the raptors in exactly the same condition they were in a moment before impact?

I still can't believe how this thing bounced through the air. The suicide burn boosters were mind bending, but this is the next step man!

So, how long will SN9 be out of service? Or will they just scrap it and move on to SN10?

>>12455086
AFAIK, many of the DC-X employees actually went with Blue Origin. So the spirit actually lives inside Blue Origin. You can see that by looking at how their landing technique is so similar.

wew, this is going to take a while

>>12455093
They'll just slap the raptors on it while it's tipped over, SNine will fly sideways through the assembly building and over state lines to piss on Blue Origin.

>>12455108

...i miss her

>>12455086
TF would be proud. Or not.

absolute silence from elon. super telling

>>12455167
it is pretty embarrassing, especially after the great optics that was the SN8 test.

>>12455167
Yeah. Elon Musk BTFO. SpaceX is bankrupt. Fake rockets.

>>12455167
He’s literally working, What do you want from him?

>>12455167
He doesn't want to wake SN9 from its nap

>>12455172
>caring about optics
Never go for optics when the majority of people don’t know anything about testing or prototypes. Pea brained journalists won’t be satisfied unless everything is perfect first try.

Any word on why exactly the platform collapsed?

48 years ago, Apollo 17 is on the surface.

Everyone on Twitter DEMANDING a response from Elon on why SN9 tipped a bit is so embarrassing. Literally just wait one day. ONE DAY. You will have an answer in ONE DAY. Does nobody have patience anymore? Gimme gimme gimme, always wanting immediate answers for every little thing.
>this is your brain on consumerism

>SCOTUS threw out the case

Lol rip spaceflight

>>12455202
SpaceX is now TASA

>>12455201
Well, this is the brand spacex has made for themselves.

>>12455201
>this is your brain on consumerism

No, that is your brain on 24/7 smartphone usage.

>>12455167
i think he learned an engineering lesson. he probably pushed the sn9 test for PR related reason or to impress investors.

either way, very very bad idea, rushing is how engineering projects die, he should learn that he's already working at a neckbreaking pace and he should be ready to wait weeks or months in absolutely random parts for the sake of extra precaution.

slow and steady seems like a meme because old space took it to ridiculous lenght and tried to use it to justify the outright tax money theft they exxecuted but it absolutely is a vital part of an engineer project this size

>>12455201
seriously, having discipline is being part of the masterrace, they will pay you 1000 dollars to avoid waiting a week for something

>>12455201
No, it's the social media. >>12455209 got it half-right because smartphones by themselves are not any more harmful than notebooks.

>>12455222
>smartphones by themselves are not any more harmful than notebooks

Incorrect, you can't carry a notebook with you and use it constantly like you can with a smartphone.

>>12455226
But if you're constantly using a smartphone to educate yourself more about spaceflight it's not bad, isn't it.

>the only person to ever commit a crime in space is going to walk on the moon
poetic

>>12455227
Idk bro, I noticed I was using my smartphone way too much.
>standing in line? grab my phone
>sitting in a waiting room? grab my phone
>slight delay in anything? grab my phone
Nothing is wrong with any of that in and of itself, but it troubled me. Now I make it a point to just sit and experience the moment as much as I can.
Smartphones can be bad enough by itself; social media does make it far, far worse, though.

>>12455245
If you were only able to use it for its primary purpose, for making notes, for studying, as an organizer and so forth, you wouldn't be using it as much. The gratification speed to level ratios pushed onto the average person via mobile devices are starting to border on supernormal stimuli.

>>12455239
>implying any of them are going

>>12455239
>Anne lands on the moon
>the moon police arrests her

>>12455288
Idk what this means but....
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1337559580801425409?s=21

One more, for any of y’all that are interested
https://twitter.com/peter_j_beck/status/1337462497364770816?s=21

>>12455288

The booster has to be white and a bit of black too for the Moon variant of Starship. Also, the tower has to be painted bright red and a bunch of highspeed film camera's for the nostalgia-tier footage.

>>12455239
>tfw all the cute short haired women are lesbians
It's not fair

>>12455288
Looks fucking stupid. Elon should tell NASA to get fucked with their retarded paint job, what a waste of mass.

>>12455245
worst of this is that if used correctly we could have one of the brightest generations ever.

(wealthy) People in the XXI due to having a wide access to books and not much else to do are notorious from being obscenely educated

we could put them to shame, you could spend literally every waking minute learning something valuable from the best possible source, wherever you are, you could speak 10 languages and have 5 degrees by age 25

surely this uber human exists somewhere but he has to be a total freaky aberration, most people offset the availability of information by the availability of cheap addictive distractions

>>12455301
>we could put them to shame, you could spend literally every waking minute learning something valuable from the best possible source, wherever you are, you could speak 10 languages and have 5 degrees by age 25

The thing is that most people are too exhausted after their soul crushing wagecuck day they just want to zone out for a few hours and then go to bed.

>>12455301
>speak 10 languages
As translation software advances this will become less and less useful. Maybe a few to appreciate the subtleties of some works. Otherwise yeah.

>>12455245
I mean it's an old hat at this point, but yeah it's a real 1st world issue.

I have a more weird problem. I don't know what to do with my phone, like if we have downtime at work, everybody gets their phone out, me too. But then I hate socializing, don't use facebook, reluctantly use watsapp and if it's not browsing through the wastelands of 4chan I would watch videos but you don't put on headphones at work.
And for other things I'm just too scared of surveillance.

Then there aren't even good games. Most are either skinnerbox facebook games and others are like GTA apk's which I don't get any joy out of wit touch controls.

I don't think I'm the only one, but everybody else gets just so much more out of their phones than me and with the built in obsolescence I don't see myself buying another one for 200+ quid in the next two year interval.

>>12455314
>As translation software advances this will become less and less useful.

language is a way of thinking

a different language is a different way of thinking and expressing something which improves your world vision tremendously. All translations are very very crude aproximations, if you (really) know more than one langauge you can see for yourself that each expresion is unique

>>12455308
nah thats an excuse, life in the XIX century (even for the wealthy) demanded much more effort and force of will. Konstantin tsiolkovsky discovered fucking rocketry while reading at candle light, working a full time job, being poor and being as itchy as XIX century hyginie makes you.
Theres really no excuse. Also the information that programing jobs pay a lot its public, do the effort to learn that for 1 year and you have your life solved. The idea that you dont have the option to get a god tier body and a god tier bank account via effort is strictly resenftul left-wingism.

>>12455295
>Gold engine bell

Reminder in 2021, we will see Starship fullstack to orbit, ULA Vulcan, New Glenn and SLS, optimistically speaking ofcourse. 4 new American rocket from american soil. Starship will outclass SLS, SLS will outclass Blue, Blue will outclass Vulcan.

>>12455288
>space odyssey
Isn't like an odyssey like a perilous voyage through a hostile environment without plan or guidance? If so, spacex's take just got ten times more cooler and I want to go check out the distress calls and look at space eggs, hard.

>>12455339
Vulcan will outclass blue because blue still won’t be flying

>>12455335
I love goooooooooooold!

>>12455350
Looks like a 1970’s star wars prop lmao

I'm tired and I want to sleep but my cat is on top of me and I can't move.

>grain silo blows up
>prototype literally falls over
>scrub
>all in 24 hours
Meanwhile ULA chads straight dunking on spacex niggers actually putting things into orbit. Elon radio silence. OH NO NO NO

Had to crop it to shit to get it under the 4 mb restriction.

They still havent cleared the photo they took of me inside the actual space plane in the hangar so I don't have it yet sadly. But I took this one with the outdoor one

>>12455375
Cope

>>12455383
Godspeed. The idea is nice but they really need to get it operational at some point. It's been a couple of decades in development

>>12455383
cool

>>12455383
>hi i'm space cia

>>12455326
>language is a way of thinking
Not for me. I don't need effort to manifest thoughts into words but I don't think in words either. I guess I'm an outlier.

>if you (really) know more than one langauge you can see for yourself that each expresion is unique
I did mention the appreciation of nuance mastery over more than one language affords already.

>>12455399
We will see how tomorrow goes, maybe things will pick up with them if this flight goes well. Just seeing their process though it's hard to imagine they eventually want weekly flights with people customers unless they build an entire fleet. But inside the hangar theres really just maybe room for two of the space ship / carrier plane units.

Will try to post more pics of launch day, have to be there early for our payload related stuff.

>>12455383
>pulls the lever

>>12455383
>crop
you know you can reduce quality / increase compression, right? no need to crop.

>>12455427
>compression
bad
>resizing
good

>>12455427
I mean yeah but I'm phone posting, I dont have an app for that, please forgive me.

>>12455421
>Not for me. I don't need effort to manifest thoughts into words but I don't think in words either. I guess I'm an outlier.
it is for everyone, all great minds will attest to that. You not experiencing it just means you lack that capacity. An outlier lol, kids this day are eager to make up a way to feel special that doesnt involve effort. Youre just undereducated like 85% of the population

>>12455432
Moderate compression is good, you wont be able to tell this from the original.

>Anon goes to space tomorrow

We're all gonna make it bros

>>12455442
>You not experiencing it just means you lack that capacity.
Possible.

>An outlier lol, kids this day are eager to make up a way to feel special that doesnt involve effort.
1. "Special" doesn't equal "good".
2. I have literally zero motivation to lie about something so trivial in an digression in a spaceflight thread on 4chan.
3. I was never physically able to break GR2.

>Youre just undereducated like 85% of the population
Education does not necessarily affect this kind of self-reflection.

>>12455449
moderate compression a shit
you can see the jpeg striations in the sky on the left

Why is the Cape Crapnaveral ground equipment so unreliable?

>>12455466
>anything involving the government
It’s intrinsically expensive and it’s designed to be reliable only for a short time so they constantly have to replace everything and pay their contractors more

>>12455487

Someone please post that "you wouldn't understand" picture with a guy on top of a mountain and Von Braun. The version without tweets please.

>>12455496
Is that an accurate size comparison? Helps put into scale how large star ship really is

>>12455509
Yes.

Starship isn't big, shittle was just small.

>>12455546
What orbiter was bigger?

>>12455289
Did Elon not realize this is supposed to be the lunar variant? Unless plans have dramatically changed, the lunar Starship shouldn't have a heat shield.

>>12455557
it's still not going to be painted

>>12455496
Now add a 737

>>12455566

Assorted small launcher news:

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-awards-venture-class-launch-services-demonstration-2-contract
Astra, Firefly, and Relativity have received NASA smallsat launch contracts for a few million dollars each.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201211005594/en
Firefly now plans to launch in the "first quarter of 2021" (formerly January), the launch pad is apparently not ready yet, and they have a subsidiary named Firefly Black for government launches.

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1337536590646661121
Astra's launch attempt has been postponed to NET Monday due to weather.

Musk now has more money to throw at SpaceX, than ever before. He can just slap the shittiest Raptors they have on SN9, and test how a slightly damaged Starship flies.

>>12455598
What's wrong with the weather? Too cold for a space rocket?

>>12455609
The scrub earlier was for "extreme upper-level wind shear and triggered lightning". Knowing Alaska, probably more of the same.

>>12455449
What the fucks up with your neck bro?

>>12455619
had to get surgery to remove it

>>12455645
Thats brutal.
Why?

>>12455648
it wasnt short enough

>>12455649
>>12455645
>>12455619
It's just the lighting and the face that I'm wearing a skin / pink colored covid mask

>>12455496
hawt

>>12455651
>It's just the lighting and the face that I'm wearing
>the face that I'm wearing

>>12455557
Yeah I have no clue. Why would it have heat shields? I think he might just be drunk hahah

Lads...

https://satellitemap.space/

>>12455700
What movie is that from, is it fun? Looks either like a really good comedy or absolute trash.

>>12455705
World of wolfram. It’s a german show on youtube I think. Besides that I know nothing about it

>>12455700
whoa

>>12455716
God damn. It’s strange to think that at one point there was only the Moon. Then Sputnik. Now there’s a god damn fleet of shit orbiting every which way

>>12455320
Same. This shit gets me so lonely, my self-diagnosed solipsism syndrome and anxiety kicking in. Being different in a world of midwits hurts.

Social media should be illegal on Mars

>>12455320
>But then I hate socializing
i enjoy it if people are willing to actually have stimulating conversations
people only capable of having conversations about tv, sports, social media drama, whatever the cable news talking head is telling them is important this week, etc. may as well be braindead

>>12455716
Statistically speaking, if you find a random satellite in the sky it will most likely be a Starlink sat

>>12455757
>955 starlink
>~19,000 satellites

Crane is finally on site

>>12455792
What’s even the purpose of the high bay? Did they stack all of SN9 in there?

>>12455800
high bay is necessary for super heavy construction. It'll get a gantry crane eventually

>>12455803
Ah gotcha that makes sense. I’m sure they’ll just buy/rent another fuckhuge crane. But I really want them to build one out of stainless steel or something eventually

>>12455809
the gantry crane will be a part of the the high bay structure. Not sure if any other building is getting one

Stupid question: why do some fuel mixtures work better for rockets but not for planes?
In other words, why is methane amazing for rockets, but not for something like a concord or an SR-71? Why kerosene?

>>12455454
If he slips a four leaf clover on board it's officially the first 4ASS suborbital flight.

>>12455592
Shartliner+Atlas V somehow looks more primitive and uglier than Soyuz.

>>12455838
Kerosene doesn't need to be kept at cryo. Imagine trying to keep 100 tonnes of methane or whatever at cryo temps for 8 hours or more.

>>12455843
Atlas V ain’t no soyuz, but it’s still sexy as hell. I love that copper look. I believe it comes from the Titan family.

>>12455838
the main thing i suppose is the fact that liquid methane or liquid hydrogen are cryogenic fuels
efficiency is less important for planes too, since they get their oxygen from the air and can even refuel in flight

>>12455838
Planes usually fly in the atmosphere longer than rockets, so keeping cryogenic fluids cold is more difficult for planes than in rockets. Planes also have to conform to efficient aerodynamic shapes which limit the volume available for fuel which makes designs favor energy dense fuels like kerosene. Planes powered by methane, LNG, or hydrogen have been made (ex: Tupolev Tu-155), but all have been abandoned.

>>12455849
How does starship deal with it? Is it easier to keep it liquified in a vacuum or something? Starship and fuel depots presumably need to keep everything cold for months or years

>>12455857
Vacuum insulated tanks, orienting the vehicle in flight so the tanks are in shadow, and potentially active cooling via radiators.

>>12455851
It's the combination that's ugly, like they just completely forgot what rocket they were building for and used all those right angle drop offs between the capsule and the upper stage.

We won’t make it to Mars because civilization will collapse very soon.

>>12455867
Oh don’t get me wrong, the connection between the rocket and the capsule is fucking disgusting. Personally I think starliner is actually beautiful; but i’ve heard rumors that they designed it for a different rocket size or fucked up a calculation or something and had to go with their weird aerodynamic overhang. Some other anon might know the actual story

>>12455792
>mfw post-2000 cop SUVs and their gheto skirt lightbars

>>12455708
Oh okay, hard dodge. Dunno why but I was thinking of something between Zombieland and Airplane for some reason.

>>12455090
>Hardmode, if it had landed with the raptors in exactly the same condition they were in a moment before impact?
nah the raptors were fucked. That green is copper being seared out of the engine by hot oxygen.

>>12455090
It couldn't have landed with those raptors ever, the whole reason it crashed wasn't to do with guidance or anything, the engines lost power due to a propellant mix imbalance and thus were not capable of landing the ship.

>>12455943
Yeah at this point I think spacex's control guys can land anything anywhere desu, assuming nominal raptor performance. Also why I think landing Superheavy won't be a problem, though maybe issues crop up elsewhere.

>>12455955
The only problem with SuperHeavy landing is going to be getting 4K 240fps cameras on site to play it back in 60fps slow mo with a heavy metal soundtrack.

pointy end up :)

>>12455955
Has spacex ever attempted a landing anywhere but earth? I don’t even think they’ve landed on the moon. Not saying they can’t do it... I just find it interesting. I hope they nail the first offworld landing (presumably they will launch a SS to the moon first)

>>12455972
Not profitable, remember that SpaceX is a for-profit organization.Other world landing is for NASA.

>>12455978
NASA is paying them to develop a moon lander variant of Starship.

>>12455978
Yeah. I pointed it out only because I’ve been thinking of all the recent lunar fuckups. Namely india and israel. Either landing on the moon is hard as fuck, or they just have shitty programmers. Either way spacex has some of the best software autists in the world and I fully expect their first landing to be perfect. I hope elon launches a cybertruck to the moon for his proof of concept

>>12455978
>Not profitable
Telescopes, low gravity experiments, solar farms, mining, shipyards.

>>12455979
I think he meant a landing that is before Starship like a custom lander.Of course now it is profitable but before the contract? Nah

>>12455987
I want to defend that anon because i agree with him. I think what he meant was that LEO has been very profitable for them. They perfected the F9 and made the falcon heavy. And now they can expand because of artemis (but either way they always planned on going to mars)

>>12455987
Cost of building that before they got the falcon 9 working and launching regularly would have outweighed the profit from those activities.

Chang'e-5 orbiter-returner completes orbital maneuver preparing return
https://youtu.be/nsbZxFYPLrQ
>The orbiter-returner combination of China's Chang'e-5 probe on Saturday completed an orbital maneuver as it prepares to leave the lunar orbit for a trajectory that returns it to Earth, according to the China National Space Administration (CNSA). After six days of waiting in the lunar orbit, the combination carrying the lunar samples conducted the maneuver at 9:54 a.m. Beijing Time on Saturday, transferring to an elliptical orbit with a perilune altitude of about 200km, said CNSA.

>>12455991
>>12455993
Oh, I was retarded (more like half-asleep, but still) and misread the context.

>>12456000
no worries mate :)

>>12455984
>Namely india and israel. Either landing on the moon is hard as fuck, or they just have shitty programmers
anon...
you already know the answers to the questions you ponder
why do you dangle them out in front of the masses as bait?

>>12456000
checked and no problem
>>12456028
Good point

What if Starship tips over during the manned Mars mission landing?

>>12456080
360 brachistochrone sninescoped

>>12455937>>12455943
That's what I meant, so people don't just say the raptors.
So let me digest it for You. In this hypothetical scenario they calculated the burn just too early, but then last second the feed problem occurs and the raptors crap out, momentarily providing little enough thrust for sn8 to gently touch down following a brief, non catastrophic ball of green fire.
Would they have salvaged anything else from sn8? The fins for example, or the 3rd raptor?
That is the question.

>>12455965
N-Nobody told me that!

>>12456107
Mmmm probably very niche parts. I think the engines would not be reused. It would be too dumb to slap one on SN9 and have it blow up because of a microscopic crash injury to the salvaged engine

alexa play Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, Op. 27 No. 2 'Moonlight'- I. Adagio sostenuto

>>12455972
my hot take would be:
Earth is a high G world, so having a space program starting here is basically trial by fire.
Thus the launch vehicle will be much more easy to acomodate a lander payload that has room for error on lets say Mars, Titan or Europa than... Earth.

I would even go so far that we are near the point where we can program computers which are self learning enough, that we can just build a lander to spec for a destination and plug the computer into the sensors to figure it out for himself and not to land in a pond of acid

everyone knows at this point that spacex will revolutionize space forever and that starship will make all other rockets look like toys.

why arent old space and the other space agencies of the world reacting? did they give up or is the reaction somehow secret or are they waiting for something?

>>12456107
They could have reused the whole thing and just swapped the engines out. I doubt the airframe would have had significant stresses and they frequently swapped engines during the static fires. No biggie.

>>12456145
Other national agencies have national security and other government payloads secured so they don't give a fuck.

>>12456145
"Agile development" is not the oldspace MO
Also, denial

>>12456145
if you're part of old space, you have two options
>do nothing and make lots of money
>do something and make less money
choose wisely
welcome to the looting phase

>>12456146
For the same test? I mean expanding the sample size by 100% sounds neat, or would they have improved it?

>>12456145
Oldspace just waits for Musk to die, and SpaceX to get an Indian CEO

>>12456181
More like Musk dies, X AE A-12 inherits the company and drops extinction level rocks in retaliation for the relentless bullying he endured at school.

>>12456192
>X AE A-12 inherits the company
elon musk has like 8 kids from different wives, when he dies is gonna be a full blown succesion war, to the point that if none of them is actually cunning and skilled in anything that's not inheriting most of the money will end up in lawyers hands

>>12455375
mate honestly it took 3 fucking months of scrubs, meanwhile spacex launched like 10 fucking rockets, ULA is the laughing stock of the space industry, along with Boeing

>>12456181
I would be shit scared of being assassinated if I was Elon. It wouldn't even be hard for like Boing to kill anyone, let alone somebody of public interest.

>>12456181
>>12456192
>>12456195
Wouldn't Shotwell become CEO?

>>12456195
>when he dies is gonna be a full blown succesion war

Extremely based

>>12454993
Hail the Omnissiah!

>>12456181
In case of Musk's untimely death. All the starlink satellites deorbit. Releasing a neurotoxin into the air. Killing off humanity.

>>12455086
> remember what they took from you.jpg

>>12456195
Musket gives his kids none of SpaceX. Goes willywonka and gives it to someone worthy.

https://archive.is/beNAH
>The world’s second-richest man—and second-most irritating Twitter user, after the president—has moved to Texas. After months of complaining about Covid-19 shutdowns affecting his factories, while also predicting in March that the virus would be almost gone by the end of April, Elon Musk announced Tuesday at a Wall Street Journal conference that he has bailed on San Francisco. “He said relocating made sense with Tesla’s new factory being built in Texas,” the Journal reported. “He lamented that California, in his view, had become complacent with its innovators.” Musk, who is worth more than $150 billion, also struck a vaguely populist note, saying Silicon Valley “has too much influence on the world.”
>It’s entirely possible that this carnival barker of a CEO will continue finding crafty ways to extract tax breaks and favorable contracts from government entities for the rest of his career. But we should be alive to the ways in which Musk’s reputation is built on a faulty foundation of borrowed money and worker exploitation. To Musk, the government is only useful in helping to enrich him, and he otherwise expects it to stay the hell out of his way. The problem is that he is now powerful and rich enough to get his wish. For all his supposed brilliance in developing electric vehicles and rockets, this may be his greatest talent: grifting the government. In doing so, he’s creating a roadmap for reform, if politicians care to notice.
thought y'all might like this

>>12456220
He's 49, overworked, fat, and on an American diet. Boing just needs to wait a bit. Meanwhile he's probably trying to pull through until at least one of his sons becomes of age and has some interest in space flight. He has 5 of those, so there's at least some chance.

>>12456258
Lol whoever wrote that sounds pissed

>>12456258
>shills for gommunism
>asks for donations 2 times for 5 paragraphs

amazing

>>12456258
>To Musk, the government is only useful in helping to enrich him, and he otherwise expects it to stay the hell out of his way. The problem is that he is now powerful and rich enough to get his wish.

Based, fuck the government. Might as well extract every dollar you can from them to try and get us off this shithole planet imprisoned with these lunatics.

>>12456258
>Jacob Silverman

Imagine my surprise

>>12456276

H-hey guys! I put the X-wing on the NF-104
Guys!
Guys this is the best thing ever!

>>12456258
>and second-most irritating Twitter user, after the president
you can taste the salt

>>12456258
>To Musk, the government is only useful in helping to enrich him, and he otherwise expects it to stay the hell out of his way.
Genuinely confused as to how this is supposed to be a bad thing. Is everyone in california a masochist?

H-hey guys! I put the X-wing on the NF-104
Guys!
Guys this is the best thing ever!

>>12456181
Kek this

>>12456311

>>12456310
they think rich people are like Scrooge McDuck with giant vaults of cash and government is supposed to take it and give it to poor people who could afford artisanal organic vegan salad bowls for $50 instead of McDonalds for $5

>>12456177
Probably some incremental changes depending on the data. Fixing the header tank pressure problem. Although seeing as they didn’t reuse SN5/6, they would have gone straight to SN9 anyway.

>>12456258
>eAtInG tHe rIcH wIlL wOrK tHiS tImE!
[Helicopter Engine Noise Intensifies]
And to think, I used to consider myself hard left. Still do for that matter.

Spaceport at night

>>12456402
Spaceport at day

cool, looks like the local media was a fan of the launch

>>12456494
They have no reason not to, Spacex brings money and world wide interest into the region and local doesn't really depend on sensationalism.

impressive that a smallsat rocket can take something to the moon

>>12456494
edit fantastic picture by the way. It's straight on and the lighting on sn8 is kino.

>>12456501
that's a good point. In this case being positive is good for business

>>12456502
If you don't have a lot of payload, you can do a lot with good and efficient hohmann transfers.

Theyve take our payload to integrate with Spaceshiptwo, we had to do late stow cause we vacuum pump our experiment down to below a torr.

The cooks on site make really good breakfast burritos

>>12456494
is there a post of the rest?

>>12456517
Based, thanks for the update

>>12456258
>But we should be alive to the ways in which Musk’s reputation is built on a faulty foundation of borrowed money and worker exploitation
Has anyone else noticed this bizarre and contrived style of criticism they're using at the moment? What the fuck does it even mean?

>>12456556
>What the fuck does it even mean?
It's an accusation of iniquity. Elon has sinned against the current order and its vanguard demands he be punished.

So what are current launch costs for SpaceX and ULA? I'm curious how badly ULA has been BTFO by a bunch of nerds who make steel scrap rockets.

>>12455006
What was the terminal velocity btw?

>>12455358
or the latest Bad Dragon product

>>12456632

ULA has two rockets in service: Atlas-V and Delta-IV Heavy.

-Atlas-V costs around 120 million US Dollars per launch.
-Delta-IV Heavy costs around 360 million US Dollars for commercial launches and 455 million US Dollars for top secret government launches (NRO).

SpaceX also has two rockets in service: Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy.

-Falcon 9 costs around 62 million US Dollars per launch for a brand new rocket, 50 million US Dollars per launch for a reused one.
-Falcon Heavy costs around 160 million US Dollars per launch for a brand new rocket, 95 million US Dollars for a reused one (Fully reused, both sideboosters and core).

Only Atlas-V can compete VS Falcon Heavy when matching ULA up with SpaceX and only when the Falcon Heavy is brand new.

anons what do you think of sn9?
will it be scrapped? please o don't want to wait another 5 months until the next flight

You can kinda see the wing tips of the plane, it's way at the end if the runway. Hard to see from Gaia (customer lounge)

>>12456727

It depends on how damaged SN9 is. If the damage isnt that severe, it will be repaired and used for tests. It doesnt matter that much anyway since the launch platform and landing pad need to be cleaned up, repaired and the SN8 data needs to be examined. While SN9 repairs are underway, SpaceX can apply any changes to the header tank systems to the rocket.

>>12455383
Lose weight andkft weights anon, get ripped before you go to space

>>12456761
Yeah I need to lose my covid lbs. I'm like 170 6'0" right now but I'd like to get back down to 150 lbs, back to twink status.

>>12455878
They can set those things to fullbright white beams to scan neighborhood alleys for niggers. We had a rash of car break-ins here last year and I saw them do some patrols like that.

>>12456782
I'm right there with you bro. We'll get our weights back in check together; gotta be healthy enough to be a space Chad in the next 10-20 years.

>>12455978
>Not profitable, remember that SpaceX is a for-profit organization.Other world landing is for NASA.
Have you forgotten SpaceX's entire mars colonization plan?

>>12456729
Has it launched yet?

>>12456494
No offense to this small little business but their newspaper looks like dog shit lmao

>>12456872
Not yet, few more minutes till take off

>>12456886
https://www.twitch.tv/dasvaldez
just found a NSF stream.

>>12456898
>tune in
>just taking off
nice

>>12456834
which doesn't exist
spacex is only building a rocket for mars colonisation.
they absolutely rely on Nasa having a mission for them once the rocket is finished.

>>12456914
Is that really what you think?
Like, if Elon finishes Starship he's just going to be sitting around waiting for NASA to contract him to stick another Curiosity on one for them?
It's fine if you think that, we're all allowed to be wrong, I just don't understand why you would do that.

>>12456914
what

>>12456914
lmao not even the smallest space businesses rely on nasa funding to survive. that would be asinine.

>>12456920
>I just don't understand why you would do that.
because spacex isn't currently developing any habitats, terraforming equipment, science equipment for martian exploration or any other stuff besides the rocket. which is conveniently in line with them beeing a company which is producing rockets and spacecrafts.
onviously musk beeing musk could start a new company, or instrukt spacex to develope this things and thereby design a whole mission on its own, but this hasn't happened yet so i see no reason to just convince myself it has or to think he is making one secretly in his basement.

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a19b53
Virgin on radar

>>12456145
Most of oldspace is waiting to see how successful Starship will be

>>12456910
It was really cool actually.

>>12455803
I thought the gantry crane arrived like a month or two ago? I swear they showed it on one of the NSF videos

>>12456726
>50 million US Dollars per launch for a reused one.
Keep in mind that is the external prices. The internal cost for a reused first stage is 28 million.

>>12456934
SpaceX has already made deals with companies like caterpillar for mars specialized digger technology
And no, if SpaceX waited for NASA to go to mars they'd maybe make it there in the 2040s, and they would never get a colony.

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3113715/jokowi-asks-spacex-consider-new-rocket-launch-site
lol

>>12456726
>>12456952
Thanks

>>12456967
Would be interesting to see if they are interested in point to point rocket starship launch/landing site.

9:23 release time roughly for spaceship

>>12456948
Your memory is correct. Still not installed. Maybe they only received some parts, not all.

>>12456959
thanks i didn't knew that
i mean it is certainly possible for musk to design the whole mission in house
has he released any details of what will be done on mars with the first landing yet?

>FailShipTwo

ABORT HOTFIRE

Aborted, early engine cutoff

Kinda amazed the NSF guys managed that shot with such a scuffed setup.

SpaceShipTwo is such a stupid idea lmao, why copy the x-15?
Literally just copy New Sheppard at this point

>>12456258
in the end senator shelby is unstoppable he even got the jobs from spacex moved there

>>12456942
>"We here in the industry feel perfectly comfortable sitting back and seeing how SpaceX's industry killer will perform."

>>12456145
They're all delusional so they don't have to face the facts that things are going to change very rapidly that haven't changed in 60 years.

>>12456914
>spacex is only building a rocket for mars colonisation.
>they absolutely rely on Nasa having a mission for them once the rocket is finished.

This is absolutely untrue

First of all starship can launch starlink faster and cheaper than falcon 9, which spacex needs. It's also cheap heavy lift for any customer that wants it.

They will be selling moon fly-bys to wealthy clients, they've already sold the first flight.

Other ideas that might work out are point to point transfer for military applications. Or science lab starships to fulfill the high demand for microgravity research.

If starship works as advertised it will be the only game in town for several modes of revenue

>>12456959
If Musk wants people on Mars this decade, we gotta start seeing life support systems etc. pretty soon.

>>12457111
There's no way like 6-7 of the most powerful states and organizations in the world just said "ehh fuck it" all at the same time.

I think theres an angle to this were not seeing, my personal take is that they are waiting for spacex to advance starship development a bit more to prove the concept before starting their knock offs.

An R&D project GREATLY benefits from having someone done it before, even knowing it's possible to be done is a great advantage, and in this case you have a lot of videos info and underpaid spacex employees which are sitting duck for industrial espionage.

Just look at how easily Russia developed everything the americans did just by waiting and doing it a little later. In the case of the shuttle they even improved the design

>>12456914
>they absolutely rely on Nasa having a mission for them once the rocket is finished.
They're solving the hardest part of the problem. Once starship levels of cost are available the rest of any mission would be well within the means of the private sector, even if it were just vanity projects. If no one else was doing it i dont think private colleges could resist. And certainly there would be a point in which the goverment would be embarased that coca cola was planning to return to the moon before nasa.

For the amount of money it took to launch the components of the ISS with shuttle (400 tons roughly for around 110 billion dollars) you could sent 11 million tons into low earth orbit with starship, assuming 10$/kg launch cost. That is 27500 international space stations worth of mass, or 22 world trade centers worth of mass.

>>12457133
The original space race besides being a dick waving contest relied on the NatSec states of each country thinking that space supremacy was aboslutely nessecary for long term geopolitics, when this turned out to not be the case, space became a worthless zombie industry because real spaceflight/colonization progress would halve the value of the elite's political capital the same way women entering the work forced halved the value of labor. Ergo the status quo just wants no space development at all, it wasn't a matter of oh our scientists and technology just aren't smart enough to be as good as Apollo for 50 years, it was a willful knee capping of human space capability.

Musk is singlehandedly forcing the issue and saying hey retards I'm gonna take your political capital, and they are basically hoping he implodes or the political situation becomes unstable enough that SpaceX fails or what have you. China is developing spaceflight but they have way more important issues on their geopol docket so overall no elite wants anyone going to space right now.

>>12457129
They've probably started developing that shit behind closed doors already. We know they have started designing the interior for starship.

>>12457154
>>12457129
Crewdragon module is already a thing. The can extend that bit further for slightly larger group.

>>12457148
This essentially means that with starship's launch costs, a community college could probably afford the funds to send to an ISS sized space station into LEO and maintain it.

>>12457121
i never claimed they would run out of money or they could only launch when nasa tells them to. what are you talking about?

Is it practical to build a colony in Moon? Well as if we can reach that stage.

>>12457141
i agree
yet none of the actual work has been started in this regard and that is slowly making me nervous. even if those companies or nasa finally come around it will still take some years until they can show the products. worst case starship will sit around half a decade between earth and the moon waiting for someone to finally use it for mars.

>>12457150
>and they are basically hoping he implodes or the political situation

you see i dont think this is true
cause youre an incel nerd who hasnt even finished his degree from a non ivy league college.

But all of these organizations have lots of ivy league college graduates constantly advicing them.

in what world do you think that oyu the lonely loser "understands" something they dont

>>12457191
Retard I graduated from a university, a place filled with illiterates who didn't read the western canon and whose knowledge of history starts when Franz took a bullet in the head. Outside of their fields these days academics are little different than engineers. And I'm not even saying there is some grand conspiracy, if you are a super rich banker or state leader or what have you and the year is 1980, do you really want to dump a ton of money into spaceflight just so you can have people living in expensive and hard to administer colonies that erode the value of political control and capital on land? No of course not.

No one leading a country or treating the world like a grand strategy game wants there to be breakaway politys that people can run away to, they don't a brain drain on a new frontier, and they don't want a potential political competitor. Only very recently two individual elites, Bezos and Musk bothered to actually push for it out of their own personal ego and aggrandizement but none of the elite institutions care about space because they don't want space.

>>12457172
>what are you talking about?

your post

>>12457206
>a place filled with illiterates who didn't read the western canon
of course, you didn't get into harvard, you probably didn't even try that was my whole point

>>12457222
>Reddit spacing
>Namecalling
>Appealing to "authority"
>Typos

If you think you are making an argument at all besides the argument that you too are an illiterate retard I don't know what to say. Harvard and MIT are focused on developing AI for Google/China because that is their main goal. They want super powerful AI, centralized digital currency, and a centralized and curated internet. With all of that you basically have fuck you levels of control over society and can impose your disgusting Foucalt driven fantasies on the population at will. If you don't even understand this much why should anyone listen to your posts? Even Elon although more politely because he is the face of a company, knows the coming AI sword of Damocles.

>>12455239
Oh yeah I remember that! It was a pretty goofy white collar crime type of thing. Accessing an ex-wife's bank account from the iss. Honestly shocked she still has a job.

Let's be honest, they probably didn't want to fire her because she is gay. It's good PR for the agency to have people on board that markdown diversity slots. I think it's dumb but it is what it is.

>>12457040
he said that they would set up solar energy farms along with setting up drilling/mining equipment along with setting up a methane and LOX production plant, along with possibly setting up an early non-starship base. so pretty much all engineering shit, although they might take contracts to do some scientific experiments too.

>>12457231
seethe harder (youre not even good at that XD)

>>12455400
It's impressive that they made something as cool as space travel look as dorky as they did in that ad. That is the the facial expression of a man looking at his 7-year-old nephews construction paper craft project, not gazing down at the awesome majesty of our planet

>>12457077
Senator shelby will bribe SpaceX to create a starship production plant in alabama with zero automation involved.

>>12457219
as i said i never claimed spacex would run out of money or was only allowed to launch when nasa tells them too.
either you didn't understand or read what i wrote or you are confusing me with some other anon

>>12457236
https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/04/07/army-astronaut-accused-of-committing-crime-in-space-is-cleared-ex-wife-charged-with-making-false-statements/

theories?

>>12457222
That was an embarrassing response and I didn't even follow your entire conversation you dumbass faggots.

While on the topic, lots of Harvard graduates posting on /sci/ these days. New zoomer fad or something?

>>12457167
Yes, if you exclude the orbital debris protection taxes that are coming...
Regulations will make sure only responsible authorities play there.

Bros I think we should not launch to mars for least a decade to study it properly before sending hundreds to die...

>>12457255
They're probably both loons and since no one was really hurt they probably just buried the story and decided she was innocent.

Space lesbians are a mistake.

>>12457262
I think if hundreds of people aren't dying on Mars, we're doing something wrong

>>12457256
Everyone who posts on 4chan is a harvard grad math PHD with 300k starting salary, a lambo and slamming hot girlfriend. Of course anyone here for any length of time can already tell the intelligence of posters by their diction and writing style but don't let that stop people from dreaming anonymously.

>>12457256
this is /sci if you want to know what you did wrong in life go to /adv
Unless you argue that you brought down being embarasingly pathetic to a science, in which case you'd have a point.

>>12457244
yeah but thats what i was talking about. i have yet to see how spacex is doing that remotely on mars. and for everyone who thinks thats trivial since the technology is already existing here on earth, so are rockets
there is a lot of engineering to be done, much of which isn't really spacexs field of expertise. if they find contractors who can do that in time then it's all fine. same if they start doing it themself. i just would like to see some progress on that part.

>>12457253
Why don't you just repost what you said? Oh wait because it's already there a few scroll notches up. I don't care what went wrong. Maybe you made a typo or forgot to green text something, but I responded to what was written.

You're anonymous, who gives a fuck. No one cares about unintentionally false statements on niche topics on spaceflight. No one knows who you are, your dad isn't popping through your bedroom door asking "hey son are you losing". Stop trying to gaslight me over stupid shit. Get over it

>>12457263
Why are there charges of false statements though, that's so rare. Even when fake rape victims admit their lie that doesn't happen.

>>12457150
>spaceflight/colonization progress would halve the value of the elite's political capital

Well, at least one poster itt with a functioning brain. Investing in space colonization for governments is the equivalent to investing into the creation of independent countries. Look at the British empire's failure to retain control over its colonies and its displacement as world leader by one of them. That's a terrifying scenario for every powerful state. Better play fair with each other and focus on internal issues, rather than spawning problems that might cause trouble down the road.

https://www.elonx.net/spacex-stories-how-spacex-used-tin-snips-to-fix-a-rocket/

This is a pretty funny story. Right before F9's 2nd launch and the 1st launch of dragon cargo an inspection of the MVac nozzle found cracks at the far end.

No one wanted to delay the mission a month, so:
>Musk had a wild idea: “What if we just cut the skirt? Like, literally cut around it?” That is, what if they trimmed off the bottom as if it were a fingernail?

So they got a pair of tin clippers and did just that. And it worked just fine. Ghetto, bootsrapped spacex best spacex

>>12457260
Even with regulations there will still be thousands of times the amount of orbital infrastructure there is today. Shipyards, factories, hotels, laboratories, anything you could imagine really.

>>12457284
To stop the loony ex-wife from further pursuing the star NASA astronaut.

>>12457276
well the solar panel technology has been done by tesla, and i think SpaceX has already done research into sabatier process refineries. the tunneling/drilling technology will probably be done by the boring company.

>>12457291
>Musk had a wild idea
I thought it was an engineer on site who had the idea, not Musk?

>>12457278
hey dude i am not responsible for intentionally or not intentionally misreading what i wrote.
i wrote about the fact that spacex right now doesn't have the equipment or a goal for their first mars mission (in fact it probably wouldn't even be completely "their" mission in the first place). then you wrote something about them launching starlink satellites and making money
and you are right i don't care about that

>>12457306
I believe it. Anything you do for an ambitious person will be a monument to their ability.

>>12456145

Their mindset is so deadset rigged around what they favor on how things should be "properly" done and what they want to see as traditionalist fanboys that they cognitively refuse to recognize the possibilities or the impact Starship could bring, or they have a screen built up so they dismiss everything about it through ridicule or innate hostility.

>>12457306
It was musk. Musk had gathered many of engineers for discussion on how to resolve it quickly. Then got one of them to fly from california to cut it overnight.

The crane is in the high bay now
NSF https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfjwXo9hjk
LabPadre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am2kw1TCNAk

>>12457322
>in fact it probably wouldn't even be completely "their" mission in the first place
it will be

>>12457343
yup

>>12457343
disgraceful

>>12457346
I wonder how exactly they're going to go about this. They don't want SN9 to start swinging. Not sure if the crane could take a bunch of extra force like that.

>>12457351
I wonder if there's a way to grab it at the bottom so it won't swing over

Or if it's safe to use jacks to raise the stand where it failed while you have the crane pull sideways a bit, but it could also roll

shits fucked

So on the payload side of things we are just gonna have to wait till the next flight, they're keeping it and we will come back next time and pump it back down.

I've been a part of 4 total launches and every single one has aborted. 3 exos and 1 virgin, maybe the launcherone launch next week that has my cubesat on it will break my unlucky streak.

>>12457351
I'm not sure how they're gonna get SN9 attached. In the past, lifting operations like the SN8 stack had a lot of attachment points that took a while to undo. The crane doesn't even appear to be directly over the nose yet. This doesn't seem sure to work for me.
If they do figure it out, I feel like swinging wouldn't be a major issue, though it could put a couple more dents in SN9 and the high bay.

>>12457346
not even close to overriding infidelity

>>12457363
damn, wishing the best for your cubesat

>>12457371
any car means nothing if you have sex with anyone else. how did i get your number or like do you JUST FUCKING PRETEND

>>12457362
the stand being a structural liability really makes this a messy operation

SHE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD. WHO WANTS TO TRY NEXT?

>>12456524
https://www.portisabelsouthpadre.com/2020/12/11/starbound-spacex-starship-prototype-successfully-launches/

>>12457343
Hey, Snine!
Wake up, girl!

>>12456885
Looks fine to me besides the impact font

>>12457363
What's the cubesat meant to do? Give more info. Cost, etc.

>>12457351
>>12457362
seems like if you pulled it left it would just collapse the bottom on the high side of the stand

Maybe they will welding a mounting point on the bottom then sling the top that way it keeps its orientation

>>12457415
do we know if anything critical is damaged?
is the load it experienced and is currently experiencing radically different to what it was designed to take?

also, this must be making some mechanical engineer have a lot of fun

>>12457424
No we don’t. I think it wouldn’t hurt to at least pressure test Snine while they finish up Ben 10.

>>12457424
Yeah we have photos of the bottom flap being banged up, it struck the front of the highbay. Maybe there's damage to the top flap too. I'm sure elon will hammer and bondo them, but if SN9 fails an actuation test because of hinge damage it's fucked. I dont think it's a fast process to rip these welds apart and replace them.

>>12457424
Some rumors about dented fuel tank and if that's true it probably won't fly. Otherwise at least one of the flaps is done for, and there might be need to hammer out any dents on top.

The issue is the forces applies might have some unpleasant effects on the strength of the welds and it could pop...

>>12457424
if it was any other rocket it'd be done. But this thing is made of steel. Both more durable and easier to repair

>>12457444
I think that was idiots on twitter spotting an oilcanning dent on the side that didn't strike anything. Those are normal on starship

If they dinged it just getting it out of the highbay, they're going to need some sort of rudimentary crawler just to get it out of there for proper transport.

>>12457412
We have a tray, which free floats when in microgravity, full of beads and simulant dust with specific properties and we can input energy into the system by firing solenoids at the tray sides. Then we record it and watch the long term evolution and clumping of them to help better understand early planetary formation and how particulates grow past the meter size barrier.

The very very early (dust into very tiny particulates) and later stages (gravitational collapse) of planetary formation are generally understood, but the intermediary phase where the particulates are in the mm and cm size ranges arent very well understood. Gravity isnt enough to pull them together so its mostly frictional and electrostatic interactions and that's what were trying to understand iirc.

Cost wise I think the original proposal many years ago was $350k, a lot lower than what we knew other people were proposing. We used very little COTS components and engineered almost everything ourselves outside of a endurosat transceiver. The entire project was a mismanaged nightmare, additionally we were essentially told after a certain point every 6 weeks that in 6 weeks we would be flying, so we were in this constant state of being rushed and having to apply bandaid solutions to our problems.

>SN8 enters the pages of history and proves that Starship is technologically possible
>SN9 fucking falls over and dies
What the hell?

>>12457450
>>12457444
>>12457436
>>12457434

someone made a big fucking mistake, i think elon will probably rape whoevers responsible with barbed wire for this fuckup.

I remember talking to a retard redditor who insisted "you have no idea theres no way they are hurrying things they are very confident"

fuck you i was exactly right they hurried up and this is the result

>>12457457
I'm going to look through my phone while we head to airport and post a few pics of the cubesat, I was working on it from 2017-2020 as a cad designer / machinist but as the mechanical aspects of it came to a finish I worked a lot on programming and assisting with the avionics stack (seen on left in this image) issues.

>>12457461
It could just be a freak accident. Did they buy the stands from a company or make them themselves? If the former the company may have been negligent. If the latter maybe a wielder fucked up. No idea, there's not enough info.

>>12457461
This isn’t due to them hurrying this was just a stupid human error thing like when SN3 got smushed. However it is a lesson to Elon that sure there are many prototypes in production, but you shouldn’t be too loosey goosey with them because time is a commodity

>>12457457
Pretty cool but feels a bit pricey to be honest. I thought cubesats sit <50k. No chance to pull something like this in the next decade I suppose.

Still the experiment's idea sounds interesting, but is LEO suitable for such test? Tidal effects and stuff like that. Objects on the ISS tend to drift around as each particle has "different orbit". Wouldn't that pose some problem, or are the dimensions small enough that it doesn't matter?

As for the pic, looks comfy. Resembles my workshop table after I clean it all up so its nice and tidy.

>>12457465
the whole idea behind spacex is that they do everything in house and for the things that can't be helped to be bought from outside the quality control must be so strict that a major failure is almost impossible, and a smaller failure must be so impossible to happen that every single person involved would be betting to risk week long torture to their eyes and genitals if it failed.

This was the second kind of fail
this is like when nasa confused imperial units and metric units and lost a vessel
This is like mispelling your name at a college admission test

>>12457465
worth noting that the actual stand sn9 is attached to is probably strong as fuck. There's speculation that they were raising it using hydraulic jacks (so no longer sitting on the tube stands) ahead of having the SPMT roll under it ahead of transport to the test site, and one of them failed or something

>>12457457
is this expected to find out something that can't be figured out with a simulation ran by a $500 cpu?

>>12457457
what do you do in that company do you clean floors or serve coffe?

>>12457474
This. It’s like when they accidentally told SN3 to open up its valves. A stupid mistake but to be fair everyone makes them in the industry. ULA’s launch of a Cygnus almost failed because they loaded too much RP1 into it for some reason

Imagine if SN8 blew up on launch. That combined with SN9 falling over would make Musk look like a hack.

>>12457475
>inb4 the jacks were second hand like everything

Would still buy old second hand shit anyway. I got nearly decapitated by a brand new chink jack once...

>>12457480
>Owns a company that dominates the launch market ALREADY
Idk bro I think he’d be fine. These doomers forget that SpaceX already BTFOs the competition

>>12457459
That's what happens when you stick it in a vertical shoebox without having a movable foundation underneath it.
This whole situation reminds me of when we built part of a domicile block for an oil platform inside our workshop. We had to knock out one wall and use both overhead cranes to slowly get it out.
Spent two and a half shifts gradually easing that fucker out.

All they have is that big fucking crane that's probably very nice for manhandling shit out in the open.

>>12457463
This should be one of the gopro graveyard boxes. originally before switching to pi camera we gutted gopros and soldered wires to control them. But there was always some issue, generally with mounting its storage onto the pi over a modified usb cable. The go pro could somehow tell between a modified and non modified usb cable, even if we made sure to have the right shielding.

Then we switched to pi cams and never had issues.

>>12457463
The dimensions are small enough where it doesnt affect it. We are 3U (100mm x 100mm x 350 mm or something like that).

For a 1U you might be able to develop one for that cheap, but when you get into buying anything COTS it gets reallyexpensive.

Also I'm pretty sure were like over budget by 200%

>>12457475
that explanation or something like it would make more sense. The stand just randomly failing for no reason is a bit bizarre.

>>12457480
Would it? I can't stand Muskfags but it's undeniable his contributions have greatly affected the industry. Falcon 9 alone proves that. Accidents happen, a lot, with multibillion projects spanning decades, bunch of mexican welders in the scorching heat building rocket engine water towers is something completely new.

>>12457482
>buying chinkshit
You didn't learned anything from these videos?

>>12456727
Definitely not scrapped.
I want her to just be put out and launched on Monday anyways.

>>12457496
>Explodes
>PR is awful
We’ll see but I’m sure Elon will fix the damn thing anyways. I bet that the damage is cosmetic. However damage to the fin mover thing would kill SN9 in fligjt

>>12457484
If it fell outside the highbay though it would be a true disaster, good chance someone would be dead then years and years of red tape

>>12457477
We can use the data we collect from these to run simulations. Without measuring the material properties this way we would just be guessing on what to input into the simulation.

>>12457478
Cad/machining/integration/programming primarily but I've also coauthored some of our publications

>>12457457
Very cool, Anon!

>>12456727
If SN9 doesn't work out and SN10 does, that's probably late January or February flight.

>>12457500
I'm a programmer - mostly embedded systems - is any of your cubesat open source? Or do you know any that are?
I'd be interested in taking a look.

>>12457504
Remember the old days when we autistically tracked MK1 being stacked then waited three months to see SN1 stacked then 2 months for SN3. Shit hurt.

>>12456727
Hell no, even the fall would actually be blessing for them, because they can get lot of data out of it, how it affected the starship, and what to focus on in the future.

>>12457504
For me its not about the flights, but the long game

If sn9 doesn't fly you delay the data you would've gotten from it, which delays the changes in design, which means you could be building paper weights with green fire burn out baked into the current design

>>12457514
Failures are bad but are great for data. If CRS-7 didn’t explode we wouldn’t have the Falcon 9 Full Thrust, and thus, no Block V. If SN4 didn’t blow up during its static fire we would’ve seen GSE take out a Starship on its inaugural hop.

>>12457520
Yeah but your rocket falling over in the highbay just teaches you how to not stand up and move a rocket, which you should've known

>>12457514
>>12457520
I’d like to add that the various Falcon 9 landing failures were a huge help in making landing reliable. CASSIOPE taught them to use grid fins. CRS-5 taught them to use more hydraulic fluid. CRS-6 taught them that their throttle valves need work. Jason-3 was kinda a fluke but told them that legs need work. SES-9 showed that the engines are not perfect and need fine tuning. Various things over time, but mainly failures

>>12457500
>Cad/machining/integration/programming primarily but I've also coauthored some of our publications
so do you make the coffe yourself or buy it at starbucks?

>>12457508
I think the main flight computer code isnt up on github but the pi's scripts are

https://github.com/UCF-CMR/Qpace-RaspberryPi

>>12457513
>this amount of cope
the absolute state of musk-cucks

Looks like they've got some people in a bucket inspecting it

>>12457526
Yuck! It's written in Python.
Thanks, though. I'll flip through.

>>12457536
Yeah the pi code isnt super interesting. The WTC if I'm not mistaken is written in c++ and is an stm32 microcontroller

Would I be able to pre-pay for a Starship launch to put my body into orbit?

>>12457543
>c++ and is an stm32 microcontroller
Beautiful! That's the type of shit I wanna hear!

>>12457500
is your team excited for starship lowering costs enough that you guys could actually build your own full sized satellites potentially?

>>12457504
>If SN9 doesn't work out and SN10 does, that's probably late January or February flight.
as far as i know SN10 isn't even fully stacked yet. thats at least a few months including all the tests and whatnot until we can expect any action

>>12457528
Seething oldspace. If you want to scrap something so bad, there's lot of old trash lying at Stennis.

>>12457566
Starship Evangelion is a great name for a Starship

>>12457070
It wasn't such a bad idea TEN FUCKING YEARS AGO, but they've taken so long with it that it's become almost completely irrelevant.

>>12457565
The tank section is stacked, and as of a couple days ago they had a nosecone tip with aero covers on it. Once they get SN9 out of the high bay, it's maybe 2 weeks to get the flaps on and stack.

>>12457579
really looking forward to super heavy this year

>>12457565
SN10 is fully stacked it just needs a nose. SN8 went to the pad in the same state SN10 is in right now.

>>12457579
>lunar starship mockup
are they really going to paint the lunar starship?

>>12457585
I don't think they have enough raptors lying around yet

>>12457585
Next year.

>>12457597
I legit don’t know why lunar starship isn’t just silver

>>12457598
They only need two for initial hop testing

>>12457598
not enough for the full 28. But they aren't going to be using that many at first

>>12457599
for the full version probably. I mean they still need to create the super ratpors that will be along the outer ring

>>12457598
How many raptors are they producing per month and how much is this projected to increase?

>>12457607
I guess without the heat tiles there's extra weight tolerance for paint, but it feels like a waste. I mean, they made this same mistake with the shuttle and the orange tank ended up being way more iconic anyway. Why bother?

>>12457545
if you have the money its possible, but it would have to be a private deal with musk and hed set the terms.
for example, if he thinks the whole deal is too macabre he might make you sign a non disclosure agreement.

Also he might pin on to you the burden of finding 100/200 other people that want to be buried in orbit and pay for it, or make you pay the cost of one disposable starship plus a hefty additional sum to make up with unknowns, if you added up all that it might well end up being numbers close to just using an old space launcher. around 100 million probably

>>12457598
>>12457621
No one knows how many raptors they're producing per month right now, but its suspected they're atleast producing handful per month. They need 2 for BN1 test flight. They want to increase raptor production to few per week afaik.

>>12457545
>>12457638
Create a space dead body launch service company. Mass bodies can be launched either via cremation remains or via full body. These wont require any life support and thus will be cheap as fuck.

>>12457622
its mind boggling that well end up paying around 10.000.000 dollars to send useless paint into space (not only useless, but even harmful as it manages heat worse than the bare silver starship)

but its even more mind boggling that even like this its least wasteful than anything the sls ever did

>>12457643
this is actually a good business idea. You can put it together, patent the idea put up a website or something get the people and once its done you can take the deal to musk, youd be a middle man between people and musk

>>12457638
if you have a small solid rocket motor attached to your dead body or a coffin containing your dead body, they wouldn't have to expend a starship
>>12457645
Well they're pretty much going to give the Moonshine to NASA after its launched into orbit. I doubt NASA will ever require a second one.

>>12457643
DESU I was just thinking about that the other day. There must be a market for it, you could easily be competitive with traditional funerals too given the outrageous prices they charge.

what does this thing do?

>>12457653
>Well they're pretty much going to give the Moonshine to NASA after its launched into orbit. I doubt NASA will ever require a second one.
its all an incredibly elaborate farce to make it seem like what spacex is doing is on the same level as anyone else.

Its like having a whole army platoon and a class of kindergardeners. So you say, hey lets build a city . The kindergardeners will each shovel one small bucket of earth each, the army platoon does all of the rest of the job.BUT THEY BOTH COLLABORATED THEY ARE BOTH EQUALLY IMPORTANT IN THE JOB 50% 50%

>>12457638
>throw corpse into orbit
>200 years later take out a satellite
>100,000 years later after mankind has long since destroyed themselves aliens arrive and gawk at tens of thousands of cadavers traveling around at mach 26
>"no wonder these fuckers didn't make it"

>>12457657

>>12457665
>SpaceX builds a reusable interplanetary transport system
>NASA clips it’s wings and uses it only for in-space travel
>Retards suck NASA’s cock for being great while shitting on SpaceX

>>12457676
why cant space X just build more of them and use them for what they want to do?

>>12457657
test weapons, probably
maybe capture satellites

>>12457680
That’s what they will do. They legit just bid HLS Starship to earn some $$$$

>>12457676
I doubt SpaceX will do any interplanetary flights with starship beyond flights related to mars colonization, as SpaceX intends to use the vast, vast majority of their future starship fleet solely for transporting humans and cargo to mars. Regardless, Starship will lower cost of access to LEO so much that it will no longer be difficult for small corporations/universities/other research institutions to create their own interplanetary spacecraft, whether they be manned or unmanned. Imagine 500 different small corporations and universities rushing to explore the solar system or prospect asteroids with cheaply built in-space spacecraft by the late 2020s/early 2030s, would be a pretty kino near term future.

>>12457656
Yeah, and the exotic nature of space cremation will be fuel a lot of people who wish to be sent to space to stay there for graveyard.

>>12457649
I'd also suggest something sort of casket with launching mechanism so it can be sent in the direction you choose either symbolically (mars orbit/into sun) or financially.

I'm still mad this thing folded.

>>12456245
But all Starlink Satellites are planned to deorbit after ~5 years anyway...

>>12457665
>>12457676
I think it was just a politically acceptable way of nasa to invest in starship. It's kinda surprising that old space didn't cut that out.

the rational choice would bet o invest an apollo program into the starship and forget about all else, it would pay dividends in full, only this time the dividends would be both political and economical, anything thats not that its objective proof of theft and corruption

>>12457657
hhnngghh

>>12457657
whacking satellites

>The lander is equipped with a 50 mm (2.0 in) Ritchey–Chrétien telescope that is being used to observe galaxies, active galactic nuclei, variable stars, binaries, novae, quasars and blazars in the near-UV band (245–340 nm), and is capable of detecting objects at a brightness as low as magnitude 13. The thin exosphere and slow rotation of the Moon allow extremely long, uninterrupted observations of a target. The LUT is the first long term lunar-based astronomical observatory, making continuous observations of important celestial bodies to study their light variation and better improve current models.

Woah cool chinese

>>12457657
https://youtu.be/BGn80n68wLk

>>12457676
NASA is part of the government and it keeps our best interests in mind. Spacex is a private company of a billionaire and those are always evil.

>>12455762
>all of your 19,000 satellites have the necessary attitudinal and orbital profiles to reflect the Sun's light down to you at a visible magnitude
Idiot

>>12454846
The real purpose of SN8 was to test the belly flop and that was a huge success. It would have been way worse if the rocket exploded before or during the maneuver.

>>12457657
It specializes in sucking up government money

https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1337839148196114439

sounds like boca chica is a popular place for joyriding now

>>12457819
Chinese spy planes

>>12457812
everything after the apogee was a bonus and a huge win. I do wonder if in the future they're going to make the fins do more work. They looked more angled than I was expecting. Maybe they wanted to limit stress for their first test.

>>12457814
You ain't fooling anyone Zhao

>>12457819
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ae1e6b
People keep flying over it

>>12457854
kek plus

>>12457854
Martin Parr is a great photographer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfjwXo9hjk

SN9 live work

>>12457306
I'd guess someone threw that idea into the air and Musk decided to go for it.

Tbh, they were fucking lucky that it tipped hugging the nearest wall instead of slamming out of the door.

>>12457894
That would have been embarrassing. Talk about a fucking setback

>>12457894
that would have been a humpty dumpty situation right there

>>12457907
>>12457909
and probly would have halted everything on the site until OSHA team stops buttfucking Elon.

>>12457913
What caused it to fall in the first place? Is there a mount or something in the high bay that gave way and collapsed?

>>12457579
and?
SN8 was fully stacked for several months
SN10 hasn't even got its flaps

>>12457880
>(No Commentary)
>has commentary

if they made a cybertruck using the scrap metal from sn8, how much would that be worth?

>>12457894
More like they were lucky that it didn't kill anyone. It could have squashed the shit out of a bunch of cunts, whoever welded that stand up is going to be fired in short order.

>>12457941
2,000 credits