/sci/ - Science & Math

>feat. Cyberpunk 2077

>inb4 it's a copy and not the original
>inb4 hundreds of posts arguing about consciousness and personhood and continuity and whatever

It's a copy and not the original

Reminder that "information" isn't real.

>>12448002
/sci/ is a Moravec Transfer board.

>>12448002
>This video is in collaboration with cyberpunk 2077
Really?

>>12448002
>actually thinking you’ll ever get to upload your consciousness
Lmao at you retards, biological immortality is the way.

>>12448050
what if you have a fatal accident?

>>12448002
Lmao at you retards, relativity of time means we already are immortal

of course it's a copy, this is why teleportation in the vein of star trek is stupid as well

>>12448052
Then you die, but you also die if you try to upload your consciousness. Your mind is a physical thing, it can’t be transported into a computer.

>>12448050
Mind Shift is the solution.

>>12448002
Anyone else get a creepy feel of dread when thinking about this stuff?

Is theseus's ship a good analogy for how the brain functions?
Brain cells are not replaced afaik.

>>12448002
>upload your mind and be immortal. This video is in collaboration with cyberpunk 2077, cool right?
>More info in video, WATCH IT!

>>12448036
Retards can't take "we just don't know" for an answer

>>12448063
>Brain cells are not replaced afaik.
They are though, look up Neurogenesis.

>>12448064
dumb frogposter

>>12448069
Dumb heckin science tard

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>>12448027
soi overload

>>12448050
>>12448058
I agree with this; uploading it to a computer would be my backup

>>12448061
>There was nothing evil about them, but they were not human. As distant and icy as comets, they were creatures of the vacuum, bored with the outmoded paradigms of blood and bone. I saw within them the first stirrings of the Fifth Prigoginic Leap -- that postulated Fifth Level of Complexity as far beyond intelligence as intelligence is from amoebic life, or life from inert matter. They frightened me. Their bland indifference to human limitations gave them the sinister charisma of saints.
What did the dog think when he met man, what did the bacteria think when it met the first multicellular life? MU is the next step towards greater sapience.

>He wouldn't want to ascend to become a higher being

Primitivists and luddites are the cancer of society.

>>12448081
All you would be doing is creating a copy of yourself

Reminder that what actually exists is an arrangement of specific atoms, and when neurons/atoms are "replaced" in your brain during neurogenesis what actually happens is a specific atom in a specific place just gets replaced by the same type of atom (so there is no change at all to the overall system).
"information" isn't real. What is real are physical objects and their location.

>>12448085
Yes, that's why it's a backup. That is, if I'm dead, fuck it, make a copy.

>>12448002
DUDE I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE

>>12448086
wrong
also define "real"

>>12448134
>wrong
There is nothing in that post that's wrong, retard.
>also define "real"
What actually exists in the universe. Information isn't real, it's a tool humans use to simplify a physical description of a physical system.

>>12448140
how can humans use a tool if the tool isn't real?

>>12448002
>cyberpunkirno 2077irno?
>the game that stars my breathtaking wholesome minecraft player keanu reevarino?

>>12448143
Language isn't real and we use it all the time.
Define a chair right now platonically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urk3xn7l3AM
more about how our society would look like with mind uploads

>>12448155
well, just start futzing with rectangular prisms

>>12448064
Is that Esam? Lmao

>>12448155
define "real"

>>12448184
I already did in the other post.
"Bits" aren't real, for example. They are a linguistic description to simplify a physical state of a system.

there is no "you", every change that happen to your brain is a new you and all the other "you" are dead. -anon

>>12448068
Neurogenesis doesn't necessarily replace cells though, it just makes more cells.

>>12448198
Except the bits are very real in that they are physical collections of electrons physically being stored and physically moving in reality, just at a scale you cannot comprehend.

>>12448002
>This video is in collaboration with cyberpunk 2077, cool right?

>>12448002
What a complete load of useless fucking stupid popsci bullshit

>>12448216
The way electrons move is uniquely defined by the wavefunction of the atom they orbit. THIS is the actual physical reality; the "bit" is a human description that we use in order simplify the system.
For example, we can call a transistor that's on vs off "one bit" of information and we can call a coin that's heads up or tails up the same "bit" of information, then we pre-define what these bits will correspond to, and then we manipulate them in order to make sense of some computation. But in both cases, the actual physical reality of the system are entirely different, there is objectively no connection between them. There is no actual "bit" or "information" whatsoever, there is only the actual physical arrangment of the system. WE make up and use the "information" for a pre defined ruleset that we also made up.
"turing machines" aren't real. "computation" isn't real. These are human abstractions to simplify physical systems that are otherwise far too complex to talk about with more accurate models.
The only thing in this universe that behaves like a carbon atom, is a carbon atom. This can not be replaced by anything other than another carbon atom. Neural nets aren't real, as another example.

>>12448027
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>>12448238
>Oh no! Kurzgesagt decided to sponsor an interesting progressive game thats fit for the subject of the video! It also simplifies yet educates more people than I would ever do in my life? Ugh, soijek alert!!! We all know trannies can't be women, we all know we chuds are the superior race and we all know soimalk despite being proven to be healthy and good for the environment is removing our toxic masculinity!!! How SJWs ruined games, I hate how SJW-like cyberpunk is too!!! Let me just post a soijek image to prove you as some soiboi, that'll show em!

>>12448322

>>12448043
Define real

>>12448322
>>Oh no! Kurzgesagt decided to sponsor an interesting progressive game thats fit for the subject of the video! It also simplifies yet educates more people than I would ever do in my life? Ugh, soijek alert!!! We all know trannies can't be women, we all know we chuds are the superior race and we all know soimalk despite being proven to be healthy and good for the environment is removing our toxic masculinity!!! How SJWs ruined games, I hate how SJW-like cyberpunk is too!!! Let me just post a soijek image to prove you as some soiboi, that'll show em!

another Kurzgesagt thread, another collective meltdown, what were the odds?

>>12448360
I've explained multiple times already throughout the thread.

>>12448334
Based
>>12448322
Cringe

>>12448322
You tried too hard.

>>12448002
Reminder that Singularity will be ruined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

>>12448061
it's natural to feel that way, especially since none of it is particularly well understood
people just use it as fantasy wish fulfillment as of now

>>12448103
but why? he may look like you and have your memories but he isn't you

>>12448002
Your life must suck ass if you want to become computer code. Escapist BS for nerds

>>12448052
What a stupid fucking argument.
Everyone dies.
You will die.
Get over it.

>>12448083
Nah let’s kill these “greater sapients”, or better yet, prevent the technology from ever developing, just like we banned human cloning,

>>12448322
Soi is proven to disrupt menstrual cycles in women because it contains phytoestrogens

>>12448157
Do people actually find this dystopian shit appealing as an idea?

Also, do people even know how shitty computers are compared to the brain in terms of energy efficiency and density?

>>12449145
>just like we banned human cloning,
>Raughs in China

>>12449108
>omG wat if we invent magic technology and use it to further dehumanize ourselves, become slaves, and live a fake life in a simulation like in the Matrix that’d be so cool

It’s exclusively sad white nerds who believe in this shit.

So I guess none of you fags have played soma?

>>12449070
There's no evidence it'll ever happen, and even if it was possible, we should just make it illegal.

>>12448084
omg mom i got a microchip implanted in my brain that sterilizes me and makes me docile im a higher being now!!!111111

>>12448002
popscience trash with no basis in reality

>>12449198
reminds me of the fallout ghoul 5g memes.

If you were a Chad, like me, you would choose death anyway.

>>12449183
for now at least it is useless escapism but there's nothing wrong with that. if it is it actually is possible probably very few people would get access to it, let alone actually consent to the idea unless they were terminally ill. i have fantasy lives i'd want to live and my life as it is will probably never be close though

>>12449297
Live your real life, then. The idea of people living seemingly fantastical but fake lives in a computer is deeply disturbing.

>>12449500
>I upload my brain to play sims

>>12449516
How terrifying. I’d take a sledgehammer to the computer towers.

>>12449192
>We'll make it illegal, that'll stop it!
Just like it has stopped every other activity and technology that has been made illegal in the past.
Personally, I'm comfortable with the idea of making a digital copy of myself after I'm gone to pass down as much of my knowledge to my children as possible. I'm comfortable in my mortality, but I'd want to leave as much to the next generation as I possibly can.

>>12449500
Might be getting too philosophical, but most people would leave this shit world and go to a different one. The idea of a virtual computer world creeps me the fuck out, but heaven, afterlives, dream worlds, this desire has been around for millennia.

>>12449683
>Just like it has stopped every other activity and technology that has been made illegal in the past

Yes. Human cloning is banned, and all sorts of weapons are banned and not used.

> Personally, I'm comfortable with the idea of making a digital copy of myself after I'm gone to pass down as much of my knowledge to my children as possible.

Digital “copies” of human minds aren’t possible and even if they were, they’d diverge from being “human” extremely quickly and just be some weird creepy philosophical zombie in a computer, alien and unrelatable.

>>12449706
>Might be getting too philosophical, but most people would leave this shit world and go to a different one

Most people think artificial intelligence is literally Satanic. Only depressed white people, like yourself , as you revealed by your phrasing, are into this weird shit.

>>12449683
>make a digital copy of yourself just for simulation experiment
>private company copy it and trick it into doing a job, resetting it as needed
>1000y later your copy is still in use

>>12449775
>weird creepy philosophical zombie in a computer, alien and unrelatable
It's me or you are using buzzword to desperately drive people away from becoming superior transhuman?
Not that I doubt your ability to read the future of a perfectly feasible tech.
If the brain exist in the first place, new design can be created

>>12449706
pic

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>>12448084
>https://youtu.be/n-x4ttQioNw
Is this the official anthem of /sci/?

>>12448322
You will never be a woman

Kurzgesagt is literally propaganda funded by bill gates to tell you that climate change is your fault and Africa is overpopulated.

I’d rather become a cyborg personally. Just gradually replace my meat with hardware. It seems like the safest middle of the road bet.

Words cannot describe how much I have come to hate this channel. It's so sad. I used to love them.
The thing is, it always starts out nice, some basic scientific facts or curiosity. In this video, the talk about physicalism and whatnot, all good.

But then it has to verge into pure unadulterated I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE speculation making it seem like their little fanfiction universes are remotely possible, and that is by far the most eye catchy part of the video of course, before they say something like "or well, maybe this doesn't happen idk haha but isn't science super kewl xDD"

>>12449112
I'm narcissistic and would rather there be a copy of me in the world than no me.

>>12448002
*loses the coin toss*

>>12451171
this
>thesues ship
one neuron at a time

>>12448322
>progressive
Progressing towards what? A dysgenic leftist dystopia?

Won't the copy of you will have their own consciousness? so you will still wake up in your biological body unless we figure out how to transfer it.
Fastest approach is to figure out how to combine the brain power of a group to do advanced stuff which an individual cannot hope to do so.
Sybil when?

>>12448322
>>12448002

>>12448322
why has there been an influx of these faggots over the past half year?

>>12452008
man that show really shat the bad in last third

>>12452008
Just don't wake up the biological body, to make sure you find yourself to be the one that got himself uploaded.

>>12448267
you somehow presume, that the manifestation of the physical system is independent of the entity which would be able to perceive this very system.
Can you say, only the physical system underneath is real? How would you know?
If space and time are created in the consciousness, then the whole physical system would be as well, no?

>>12448050
the fact that adult teeth never come back is a sign that immortality is impossible

>>12452262
Depends on the animal, we know that some races like lobsters, jellyfishes and hydra are biologically immortal. It is likely that we can rejuvenate the human body as we did so already with mices. Life extension that doubles or even triples the lifespan is quite likely, but true biological immortality will only be possible via Chrysler Machines and nanovirusis.

>>12448322
>>Oh no! Kurzgesagt decided to sponsor an interesting progressive game thats fit for the subject of the video! It also simplifies yet educates more people than I would ever do in my life? Ugh, soijek alert!!! We all know trannies can't be women, we all know we chuds are the superior race and we all know soimalk despite being proven to be healthy and good for the environment is removing our toxic masculinity!!! How SJWs ruined games, I hate how SJW-like cyberpunk is too!!! Let me just post a soijek image to prove you as some soiboi, that'll show em!

>>12452262
There is a shark that lives 500+ years. Biological immortality is not something you want from evolutions perspective but completely doable and there is even an immortal jellyfish

>>12452597
Don't forget lobsters.

>>12448038
>I have no plans for world domination
>I only want Angola to be brought under Namibian rule
If it ain't broke don't fix it.

>>12448002
>Cuckgesagt thread
>99 replies
>nobody saging
what the fuck happened to this board?

>>12452831
>REEEEEEEE stop liking what I don't like

>>12452831
Don't bring a fire magnet near a gasoline. Saging won't do crap.

>>12448038
In an interview with German newspaper Bild, he insisted he had "nothing to do" with Nazi ideology.

Adolf, like other Germanic first names, is not uncommon in the country, which was once a German colony.

He was elected for the ruling Swapo party, which led the campaign against colonial and white-minority rule.

Mr Uunona admitted that his father had named him after the Nazi leader , but said "he probably didn't understand what Adolf Hitler stood for".

"As a child I saw it as a totally normal name," said Mr Uunona, who won his seat with 85% of the vote.

>>12452831
its a shitposting thread and I have shitpost urge to scratch

>>12448027
Kinda sad

>>12452967
Interesting

>>12452041
bunkerchan has been trying to set up "colonies" on slower boards.

I have heard of an immortal jellyfish

>>12453175
Me too

>>12448002
Personally, I prefer the die and wait several eternities for some atoms to arrange in the same way that made me spawn into this shithole in the first place route.