/sci/ - Science & Math

Troopers on scene to catch those snipers.

Reminder that SLS will reach orbit before Starship

>>12440130
Good luck

>buy 400 sheets of lined paper
>take it home
>it's the wrong texture and it causes the type of pens I like to use to smudge

my day is going awful. If this flight doesn't happen I might kill myself

[Reply ABORT standing down for today]

Should I read anything into SpaceX not having a stream scheduled today?

>>12440142
no

>>12440142
Yes

>>12440124
It's not the raptors that need maintenance. We just have to cherrypick Mars so yesterday's raptor performance is enough to get there.

>>12440124
Are we sure the hop is still go for today?

>>12440130
He got away with it yesterday

>>12440135
are you cute? do you want to have sex with me first?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/relativity-space-builds-war-chest-for-building-.html

>Relativity Space is focused on building the first iteration of its Terran 1 rocket, which has 95% of its parts made using “the world’s largest 3D-printers” that the company developed in-house. Ellis emphasizes that 3D-printing essentially the entire rocket allows them to be less complex and faster to build or modify, compared to traditional rockets – which may only use 3D-printed parts for a few components. Additionally, Relativity says its simpler process will eventually be capable of turning raw material into a rocket on the launchpad in under 60 days.

>>12440142
Maybe

>>12440157
We don't know anything. Nobody is talking at all.

>>12440163
but musk can already build entire starships in a month or less, how does printer solve anything

>>12440172
not entire starships, just steel big ass bin

>>12440142
I don't know, can you repeat the question?

>>12440157
In two hours

>>12440172
You can chill while the parts are being built

>>12440180
>two hours
o rly?

>>12440142
"You're not the boss of me now"
-Elon Musk's Martian declaration

>>12440131
Well, of course skipping the whole "landing a rocket" part speeds things up a little.

>>12440131
Starship will reach mars before the second SLS is assembled

>>12440183
You in two hours

>>12440185
and youre not so big
mars is unfair

-Elon in the middle-

>>12440124
Was cancelled again due to aids

are you guys ready for net zero?

>>12440135
>lined paper
you are either a sociopath or a /lit/ student

>>12440131
job programs aren't allowed in /sfg/

>>12440215
lmao this looks like something 4ASS would make given the prompt "how do we make space travel pallatable to environmentalists"

>>12440215
That discarded parachute is going to land in the ocean and entangle some poor sea turtle, it's time to scrap the whole project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnt2wZBg89g
B1058-4 arriving in port today

>>12440215
ah yes, the old "70% less polluting fuel"*
>*but we need to use 4x as much fuel because of how inefficient it is

>>12440215
what's the point of making a green rocket?

rocketry is like 0.0000001% percent of the worlds pollution. If you took all the money spent on rocketry and spent it on making polution on purpose it still would be negligible.

It's like trying to combat a sex epidemic by making sure otaku fans don't have access to girls (cause they are already very unlikely to get laid)

>>12440124
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6bTFpjeFgE&ab_channel=BlueOrigin

>>12440215
I hate this because it pretends like rocket fuel pollution is a problem that needs to be fixed

>>12440180
Source?

>>12440248
>what's the point of making a green rocket?
it sounds nice to investors

>>12440257
Dumb

>>12440247
I thought water vapor was far worse greenhouse gas than CO2 or even methane

>>12440259
you don't have to be smart to be an investor

>>12440248
>what's the point of making a green rocket?
to scam investors

>>12440267
try to be an investor, im sure youll get rich very easily.

>>12440250
it's funny to me how much establishment ass kissing blue origin strives for and receives, yet it's absolutely clear to everyone that SpaceX will be first to return humans to the Moon

>>12440270
I'm dumb as rocks but i've made 100k off tesla this year

>>12440277
keep it up champ, you'll be rich in no time.

>>12440277
Do you know the difference between retail investors vs private ones?

>>12440280
do you know that you are a moron?

>>12440275
>it's absolutely clear to everyone that SpaceX will be first to return humans to the Moon
blocks your path

https://spacenews.com/op-ed-no-mars-is-not-a-free-planet-no-matter-what-spacex-says/
>SpaceX’s defiance of international law should be taken very seriously and stopped now, before the company is able to push it to the point of establishing its private domain on Mars. The future of space as a peaceful, fair and inclusive domain may very well depend on this.
Absolutely seething

>>12440289
pfft the earthnoid fears what it cannot control.

>>12440289
imagine defending the Outer Space Treaty

>>12440289
Fuck the haters. They would be seething too if SpaceX colonized in the name of the stars and stripes.

>>12440289
Ahahahahahaha what is this, a decree from the King of England? HAHAHAHA

>>12440289
Oh no, he's going to make it a free planet! Freedom is racist and sexist!!!!!

>>12440275
Blue Origin must be hiring high class Amazon(tm) prostitutes for government officials to get their contracts without delivering any results or without being oldspace

Does SN8 have 3 raptors?

>>12440280
sorry, >>12440282 was not meant for you

>>12440302
yes

>>12440289
is...is he actually arguing against freedom?

>>12440163
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH GOOOOOOODDDDDDDD III'MMMMM PRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNTTTTTIIINNNGGGGGGG

>>12440283
>not included in down-select because Italians

If this post gets dubs SNEIGHT'S FEIGHT AND SEIGHT will rud.

>>12440289
>But international law is no laughing matter.

>>12440280
I've met plenty of career investors that lost shitloads shorting Tesla

Lab padre says its not happening

>>12440215
Just use green hydromeme. Or synthetic methane. Although that won't be net-zero because CO2 is more potent at higher altitudes and you're farming it on the ground.

>>12440317
>Posting the wrong version of that meme

>>12440323
How this happens I don't even know, why does a a company that has about ~0.4% of the market have a plurality of its market capitalization

>>12440328
>complains abut the wrong version being posted
>posts one with an ifunny watermark

>>12440245
It's now in view of the camera.

Comrades, what went wrong?

>>12440328

>>12440339
These launches are so common and forgettable now that it took me a few seconds to even remember which launch this was. How long until two droneships aren't enough?

>>12440289
>First, under Articles I and III of the treaty, international law applies in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, and influences all activities conducted thereby. Accordingly, Mars cannot be considered a “free planet” left to “self-governing principles” of dubious nature and origin, because it is rather fully subjected to the rule of law
I'm not a lawyer, but Articles 1 and 3 of the Outer Space Treaty just state that exploration and co-operation in space should be subject to international law. They say nothing about if the celestial bodies themselves are subject to it

>>12440348
I wipe my fuckin ass with the Outer Space Treaty

>>12440331

>>12440331
>why does a a company that has about ~0.4% of the market have a plurality of its market capitalization
Wait 5 years and you'll see.
I wonder which big auto company will bite it first.

>>12440289
Opinion: Antonino Salmeri should be beaten to death with sticks and rocks.

>>12440355
couldnt they conceivably downsize into oblivion? will the government bail them out again? what would be the point?

>>12440346
>How long until two droneships aren't enough?
This has more to do with the launch market then SpaceX.

>>12440355
>Wait 5 years and you'll see.
What, you're saying GM is gonna buy them? or the price will crash and then they'll buy them?

>>12440289
It only takes one nuke to wipe Luxembourg off the fucking planet. Or one rock, if you so prefer

>>12440270
>>12440277
>>12440279
literally this, the main barrier to becoming an investor is inheriting money, its that simple

>>12440374
Elon said he's open to buying other auto companies, yeah

>Jack Schmitt is now shilling for Blue Origin and National Team’s lander
Where were you when your childhood hero killed your dreams :(

>>12440391
>Jack Schmitt
Who?

>>12440391
ehh, he's just there for the check, like everyone else at Blue Pee. dont take it personally

>>12440394
The only geologist to visit the Moon. Gene Cernan's partner in crime when it comes to speeding in a lunar rover.

>>12440379
>>12440374
Daimler is my bet, best synergy of offering in terms of 'prestige'

>>12440289
>inclusive
Of all the words I despise, this is one of the top ones

>>12440289
Absolute seethe

>>12440341
Was this a joint project with Israel?

>>12440323
People shortng tesla has lost close to 100b, or 1/5 of of the companys valuation. They still believe elon is a fraud and the world is out to get them

>>12440331
Even if you want to value Tesla strictly as an automotive company with traditional margins, the comparison is retarded because you're comparing ICE production figures to EV production like they're equivalent. Being able to produce a lot of ICE vehicles is like being able to produce a lot of horse drawn wagons wagons just before the automobile became popular. Not only are the traditional auto companies struggling to produce a limited amount of EVs that they sell at a loss just to be remotely competitive with Tesla, they're going to have to do it while their ICE margins greatly decline because of the economies of scale working in reverse. Meanwhile TSLA has the economies of scale in their favor from producing many more EVs than their competition and they can sell their vehicles at a lower margin because of all their software based income from leading on that frontier, software as a service.

This leaves the other automakers with limited profit, terrible margins, and billions of dollars worth of depreciating assets. This is in an industry that is going to need less annual vehicle production, not more, as autonomous vehicles achieve higher use rates and fewer cars are needed because of it.
>>12440379
That is not going to happen and Elon was just being kind by saying that he would consider it. Tesla learned with Fremont that it's less efficient to buy a factory and try to retrofit it for EV production than just building one from scratch and they're already building factories as fast as possible with like 20 billion worth of cash on hand. They would be forced to deal with thousands of unionized employees, a lot of which have to be fired because EV production needs fewer workers, and that's part of the reason why other auto companies are so slow to transition. The other major reason being the dealership model as service is the number one source of revenue for dealerships and since EVs require much less maintenance they lean on automakers to not produce them.

>>12440289
Nationalize those fascist privateers trying to steal humankind's wealth in space!
Why does the government never act when you need them the most!?

>>12440400
Didn't gene cernan hate musk/spacex?

>>12440253
Mandatory hydrolox

Tripropellent daul-mode engines when?

>core stage has 3 propellant tanks, one RP1, one LH2, and one LOX
>launches burning RP1 and LOX
>after a couple minutes when the RP1 runs out, engines switch to burning LH2 and LOX for greater specific impulse at high altitude
>expanding bell nozzles for improved efficiency
>can use conventional solid or bipropellent side boosters if needed

Y/N?

>>12440408
Should we make rovers out of cybertruck chassis? Like just straight up shitting on the perseverance rover by being much faster, prettier, and just generally having more cargo space for experiments.

>>12440289
> Antonino Salmeri (@AntoninoSalmeri) is an attorney and doctoral researcher in space law at the University of Luxembourg
For some reason - I'd speculate due to extreme affluence and consequent sheltering from the realities of the world - Luxembourg is pretty much the ne plus ultra of po-faced leftist/globalist derangement. This guy's pontifications on this matter carry absolutely fuck all weight, as does Luxembourg's, as does even Europe's, because none of them have any means to interfere in what Musk/US chooses to do in space. Want to have an opinion that counts? Build your own fucking era-defining fully reusable rocket and until then, please stop embarrassing yourself and STFU.

>>12440124
Labpadre hop stream scheduled in an hour
Does he know something we don't?

>>12440328
>>12440353
>hurr durr i want to post my own, shittier version of a meme that someone else already posted
Go back to Plebbit

>>12440428
The hops and braps are always in the afternoon anyway.

t38's inbound to boca

>>12440428
Earlier he said he doesn't think anything is happening.

>>12440423
hydrolox with mercury afterburners

>>12440438

>>12440423
Sounds heavy and expensive.

>>12440438
>>12440445
STRAFING RUN CONFIRMED

Looks like the cherrypicker's poking at the range safety thing? Which might be a very good sign.

>>12440445
>>12440438
Worker still up on the picker

>>12440423
The Soviets already looked into something like that for a plane launched SSTO called MAKS.

>>12440451
ENEMY AC-130 ABOVE

>>12440432
You are legitimately retarded and if you weren't so abysmally stupid you would feel embarrassed right now.

WE'RE GOING TO MEXICO LADS

Can someone tell me why we are not just making a fuel depot in LEO? it should be cheaper to refuel there then fly to the moon instead of making insane rockets that go all the way, right? Or am i just stupid?

>>12440462
NATIONALIZE THIS MAN THIS INSTANT OR I TURN THIS WHOLE SPACE PROGRAM AROUND

>>12440460
naw just landing

Post stuff you hope doesn't happen during the 12.5 km hop today

>>12440462
Someone in the Senate stopped such things because they were a threat to the SLS

>>12440310
Saying this when
>you have no freedom, no privacy, own nothing, and you've never been happier
Is something powerful and rich fags tell you completely unironically. Do you even current year?

>>12440465
Id love it if someone made a smear campagin against shelby declaring him to be the enemy of spaceflight and it caught on.

Because when boomers are confronted with XXI media they go nuts in funny ways

>>12440462
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1156294287245660160

>>12440467
i hope no one comes in my house and kicks me in the balls

>>12440408
I dont think elon would buy another auto company, but he my partner with the to provide batteries if he has any to spare

>>12440462
The d-word is anti-american and endangers the american space industry.
It also relies on refueling which is anti-american practice suggested by spacex that could one day endanger american lives.

>>12440474
BASED

>>12440462
you know exactly why

>>12440466
they're going for boca. get ready for them to say it in the nsf stream

>>12440474
Musk popping into that thread was level 10 shitposting master

>>12440427
it is really embarrassing. it's like having a chihuahua yapping at your feet. it's cute, but really you need to go in the kennel doggo

>>12440486
wtf

>>12440462
That's what the ISS was initially supposed to be on top of space fab and everything else. Now it's nofun allowed microgravity "research" only nobody cares nor should care about. A depot will inevitably end up like that and the cycle will repeat until one day a decision is made to move to the next step which is a small centrifuge to test bacterial growth in partial gravity. This will happen somewhere between the next or the century that comes after.

>>12440482
Shelby should be broken on the wheel for his part in shackling mankind to the earth.

>>12440490
possible touch and go

>>12440492
You'll be surprised at the sheer amount of Shelbies out there...

>>12440499
We're gonna need more breaking-wheels.

>>12440472
it's just so brazen. for some reason it surprises me how mask-off it is

>>12440491
Does it actually make sense to have an inhabited space station + fuel depot combo? Just thinking about the obvious failure modes is making me sweat nervously.

>>12440490
the fuck are these jets doing

>>12440505
Unrelated but, when constructing a guillotine it is important not to forget to include enough weight on the blade that it ensures a solid decapitation in a single strike. A poorly constructed device may bounce off the tyrant's twisted spine and require a reset of the device, which is entirely anticlimactic.

They're going to dangle it from a tether?

>>12440510
;)

>>12440506
Yes its really dangerous and should NEVER be done. We can't just put human lives at risk like this! Imagine if someone dies!

>>12440489
>it is really embarrassing. it's like having a chihuahua yapping at your feet. it's cute, but really you need to go in the kennel doggo
indeed
> nnnnnoooooo! you can't just undermine our extremely carefully crafted r̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶k̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶p̶a̶r̶a̶s̶i̶t̶i̶s̶m̶ peaceful, fair, and inclusive safeguards of the rule of law by defining the facts on the ground!

>>12440510
Who you are in life is determined by your own effort, this is the way it always was

Even the french and russian revolutions were just changes in power, it's never about making life easier for people like you who do no effort.

When a kid like you who wants to make his parents mad talk about guillotines all you do is signal that youre weak, it makes you look really bad, like if you shat on the floor in public and ate it, and similarly, if you wont stop doing it for your own sake at least think on how disgusting it is for the rest of people to see you.

You do not matter and will never achieve anything.

>>12440289
>The future of space as a peaceful, fair and inclusive domain may very well depend on this.
the past present and future of space has always been closely related to not only the geopolitics but also the technologies tied up to the worst and most destructive kinds of war humanity has ever engaged in or planned for.

Claiming space exploration is peaceful is like being a 15 year old outing yourself as a virgin by sayin vaginas are horizontal

>>12440532
I'm sorry that I upset you anon, hopefully we get to watch a fun SN8 hop together today and that'll cheer you up.

>>12440536
sideways vaginas are fucking real

Anytime someone brings up guillotines, it just confirms they are an underage LARPer. Just the 2020 version of /pol/ weirdos.

>>12440538
apologies accepted, please dont be a cringey lefty(aka a lefty), please.
Youre a spoiled middle class kid that would die sooner than getting up in the morning two days in a row, you are not a worker, you COULDNT be a worker, you have nothing to do with them, you never read any book by marx or anyone else, you never attended a political meeting you dont know how power works, you dont know how anything works youre just trying to fill the void in your life with whatever identity the media puts before you.

Seriously, admiting youre a leftist makes you look really really bad, don't do it even as a joke.

Holy shit what triggered him

>>12440400
>Gene Cernan's partner in crime when it comes to speeding in a lunar rover
Would this ever be topped?

>>12440558
lefties, lefties trigger me.
And i love that the response is "lol u mad"
yes im mad. leftists are cancer that should be dealt with, it's no laughing matter

Response? He wasn't responding to anyone lol

>>12440538
Just don't look at SN8-chan. She is really shy! If you look at her she won't jump.
Here, have a soyuz-chan

>>12440568
Also an F9-chan

>>12440353
Getting sucked off by your own mom?

>>12440568
Imagine a Soyuz/Starship test project flight.
Soyuz would look like one of those little parasites that hang off of sharks.

>>12440571
And her oneechan

>>12440574
tags: yuri, size-difference, femdom

>>12440576
And Saturn-V chan.

>>12440579
And At-chan

>>12440568
>>12440574
>Starship docking to Soyuz, 2022 colorized

>>12440574
>Imagine a Soyuz/Starship test project flight.
Id love it if someone would make a comic like superman red son, only it were Elon musk red son, and he somehows manages to give the advantage to russians.

>>12440572
Do you not understand what the word "you" means? I'm not pictured.

>>12440605
Does blue origin have any plans for a SS competitor? New glenn just seems to be a strange falcon 9 equivalent (with new armstrong most likely being an upgraded third stage). Memes aside, all the concept art for new glenn looks cool and I would love to see what their version of a Starship would look like

>>12440605
ugh, its painful to watch, there so obviously a good side and a bad side, like one part done by people who deserve praise and money and girls and another part made by sutpid thief people who fail and are stupid and do the objectively worst option and deserve torture and no nice things and being called names.
yet because of bullshit political reasons the extremely good and extremely bad are forced to coexist, when we could have all extremely good all easily

>>12440606
If it's not an intentional "hurr durr I'm retarded" shitpost that you're replying to, then it's legitimate retardation and therefore genuinely funny. Probably the former though, everyone is so disingenuous these days.

>>12440605
Why even build gateway?

>>12440622
Honestly I like gateway. Having a permanent place to stage missions, experiments and give astronauts a place to relax is worth the delta-V loss IMO.

>>12440571
>>12440576

>>12440622
The design was already there before starship was even on the table. But regardless, having an expensive laboratory built and launched and assembled in lunar orbit means NASA can keep asking for funding
>hey, uhhh, congress, yeah we want more money for lunar missions
>no
>okay but we have a billion dollar ISS equivalent already in lunar orbit and if we don’t use it it’s a waste of money
>oh okay here’s some funding
Something like that

>>12440622
We need it for the Mars sample return. That's where the autonomously gathered sample will be taken so that astronauts send on SLS+Orion can meet and study it under quarantine.

Do you... think this is a joke?

>>12440458
>hurr durr i want to post my own, shittier version of a meme that someone else already posted
Go back to Plebbit

>>12440633
Having a station there makes sense if they end up with reusable landers to shuttle people up and down from the moon, and some sort of reusable ferry for going from LEO to Gateway. I guess both could just be Starships but I'd like to see more specialized vehicles for those roles.

I can see the 24/7 starship watch is taking it's toll on /sfg/'s collective sanity

>>12440605
What if they did this

>attach two Starships
>propel them so that they spin
>you now have gravity

BANG BANG
CAM ON SPACE X

SCORE SAM FAKING GALS

>>12440665
that's like asking a thieve to use a transparent ski mask thats more comfortable, youre missing the point. The poing of anything space related not done by spacex is to steal money, thats literally it.

Elon musk is literally a saint, he could have had all the money in the world but he insissts on giving back to the history of the universe by literally making literal star trek a reality

>>12440632
boobs are way too big desu

>>12440632
kinda wanna suck on her, what a slut

>>12440647
Retrofitting starships to replace space stations sounds like a fucking awesome idea. I.e. instead of paying billions and billions for something like ISS, NASA could just buy a custom outfitted starship and launch it wherever for like 1/1000th the cost (plus more internal habitable space).
I'm also a big proponent of a starship ferry with expanded living space and maybe even ion engines like HDLT or something. See pic related. You could use it ass a replacement gateway or ISS. And if you want to move it to Mars or something you could do that if you so desire.

>>12440652
But it's all a 24/7 Starship watch.

Haha, called him pathetic when he blocked some random dude who didn't agree with his "orange man bad" tweet.

>>12440588
>Илoнa Macкoв [Ilona Maskov]
>Starting out his capital venture in the 90's as the son of a coal mine foreman, he quickly grew up to become one of the leading russian oligarchs with his ruthless strategies involving banking transactions and the hyperinflation crash in the 90's.
>currently famous for owning the successful ABTOBAЗ [AUTO-VAZ] car manufacturing factories and leading the world car production in the called "simple and reliable" ICE car markets, the type you can service in your own garage like in the good old times before cars grew too complex with hardware and software bells and whistles, as well as multiple other ventures ranging from coal mining to real estate and lumber export, and even large airships reminiscent of Hindenburg
>Possibly the most interesting story surrounding him outside of the diamond plated submarines and yachts and flying airships, is that he is the owner of the Russian private space program Pocкocмoc-Eкc [Roscosmos-Ex]
>Russia's space program was completely scrapped in the 90's following the USSR collapse, but Maskov successfully reinvigorated it under his rule to dominate world satellite launch using fully reusable delta winged hydrogen fuel based based vehicles considered completely impossible by western rocket engineers focused on the ever failing atmospheric vertical rocket landing attempts ever since the failed Apollo Mars fly-by program in the 60's.
>He is currently promising to built a sky city on Beнepa [Venus], no later than 2030, stating that "The future of humanity lies in the Mercury-Venus system, due to their resource abundance and proximity to the Sun as an infinite energy source in the immediate future. It's our stairway to Type II civilization".

>>12440670
simple as

>>12440606
So its me and my mum? Sorry bro thats gross and my mom is not hot at all. Get your incest fantasies out of here. This is a spaceflight thread

>>12440665
Break in the cable would be game over
stress on the hull is a no right now
there are active things to help keep muscles healthy while in transit
the back of the engine is being used to shield from flares/solar activity

Maybe down the road but right now there isn't any point to thise

>>12440162
>are you cute?
no
>do you want to have sex with me first?
no

>>12440250
>Orion heritage
>Orion has been in development for a long time
>proven heritage
nice """""""""""heritage"""""""""""

>>12440665
tldr: structurally not meant to take the massive side loads implied

>>12440715
>I inherited this program from my father, and he inherited it from his father. Godwilling one day I'll pass on development of Orion to my son who will preserve it for future generations of my line

>>12440715
It's a scaled up Apollo CM. That's the heritage.

What are the chances this turns into another 430 bust?

>>12440250
Seems like an interesting sci-fi movie. Lame CGI, but at least they don't try to drama wank. When will it be released and on what platforms?

>>12440633
this is the correct answer, The only reason we've bothered with LEO human transport at all is the ISS. The only way to get congress to consistently fund things at all is to get something built so that it becomes a waste to throw it away. Gateway ensures we will have consistent moon missions as long as it still flys. Plus, ULA has to get their shit together sometime and build a rocket that can make them a moon mission suppliers which will make them and by extension all their senators pro-moon.

>>12440560
>"LEFTIES could be here" he thought, "I've never been on this website before. There could be LEFTIES anywhere."

>>12440704
holy fuck, thank you, youve done a good deed

>>12440508
It's a T-38, could just be an astronaut getting some flight time.

LONGWING INBOUND

>>12440748
>"With a VPN, you can shitpost anywhere" he said to himself.

>>12440715
Fucking kek I can’t believe they not only had the balls to say something so stupid, but say it multiple times. The national team lander is beyond retarded

>>12440754
aight that's it, hop thread going up

>>12440748
>>12440757

>>12440754
It's happening

launch thread?

A launch thread has been already made

>>12440768
it got archived

Launch thread

>>12440607
>>12440607

>>12440773
your launch thread is embarrassing

>>12440652

>NASA flight in 90 minutes
>takes 35-40 minutes to get to site
>no earlier than 230 launch time

Going to be a long day...

>>12440704
10/10

>>12440760
LabPadre stream has The List up now

>>12440754
Whats the purpose of this plane exactly?

I hereby declare a schism in the launch threads

>>12440817
>>12440817
>>12440817

>>12440821
it already exists you fucking tard. learn to read

>>12440819
https://www.google.com/search?q=n927na

>>12440831
That doesn't answer my question in regards to the hop?

>>12440843
The WB-57 is a high-altitude surveillance aircraft. NASA had SNC rebuild a few of them for scientific use (for example during the USA solar eclipse of 2017 they flew along the path of eclipse across the US and gathered imaging data). NASA is flying them out of Houston to Boca to get observational data of the hop, presumably because the Starship is planning to be used in Artemis and possibly by the military as well. And/or Jim Bridenstine is just based and wants to lend Elon a hand at gathering as much data as possible

>>12440819
It's an old B-57 bomber that was restored by SNC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2MWN5GFQic

NASA uses it for high altitude atmospheric research, taking video and pictures, and apparently it can be used as a communications platform during wars. Presumably it's going to be gathering data on Starship as it launches.

>>12440858
It was neat learning yesterday how it sat for decades before restoration, someone should repost that video.

>>12440819
tl;dr
>nasa bought an old high altitude bomber
>fixed it up and put a bunch of cameras and shit on it
>works well because it can basically pull off insane angles easily
>can work at such a high altitude with ease that it can basically track the whole thing from launch to landing without issue

What inside the 3 white tanks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG2JwwOphLQ
National Space Council stream. Currently running 20 minutes late.

>>12440583
God damn Atlas V mogs the other chans

>>12440874
cum

>>12440874
LOX i believe.

>>12440863
nigga the video is right there

>>12440874
cum

>>12440874
Oldspace tears

>>12440881
It makes sense, they are white so they get less heat from the sun.

>>12440874
Foreskin from mutlitated genitals.

HULLO MAN ON LAB PADRE

>>12440423
An engine optimized for RP1 can't run H2. It makes more sense to have an RP1 1st stage and H2 upper stage but that's just the Saturn rockets.

35 MINS TILL TAKE OFF AND TOTAL FLIGHT TIME IS 3 HOURS. IT'S LINING UP TO BE A 2PM CST LAUNCH BROS

>>12440828
His has a not shitty OP, though.

>>12440909
more like 230, it takes 30m to get there, 10-15 minutes to get into an observational pattern for tracking. Anything prior to 2:15 is wishful thinking

>>12440915
approx

>>12440904
oh shit! Lab moving on up!

>>12440632
>even did the cool-looking methane flames
nice

>>12440484
>shelby
will he ever pay for his crimes against humanity?

>>12440701
I like this dude's reporting and he seems pretty cool on stream. But holy fucking SHIT could you be anymore of a basic bitch lib? Like, he's not even a progressive he's just a "I've sold my soul to media corps" establishment dem neolib.

>>12440909
There isn't enough time to prep SN8 for launch though.

>>12440910
That doesn't matter. We honor the thread that was posted first because thread splitting is annoying as fuck.

>>12440904
he's talking about the Raptor abort now

>>12440909
just in time for my lunch break

>>12440688
are you a homo?

>>12440858
BASED SNC

>>12440931
>We honor the thread that was posted first
Nah. Shit threads are shit.

>because thread splitting is annoying as fuck.
Not to me.

>>12440947
>Nah. Shit threads are shit.
You're shit, this is /sci/ and we have standards that we follow here.

>Space will happen if America exists or not
I got some backup plans for NASA/Space X if this place balkanizes, but you never know, it can hold.

Anyway, are we /hopping/ today or not?

>>12440854
I think it's an all of the above thing. There are three different types of American private-sector spacecraft docked at the ISS at the same time, and two of them are Dragons. Jim wants to see that same kind of thing continue on the moon, which means helping out the Artemis lander teams, and he just likes Elon.

>>12440977
>Anyway, are we /hopping/ today or not?
Do you not bother reading the thread? Or at least the last hour worth of posts? Go be spoon fed elsewhere.

>>12440977
In two hours.

Has it hopped already?

>>12440977
nobody here can tell you

>>12440989
>>12440988
>>12440991

>>12440988
spoon feed my nuts boy

>>12440874
Hopes and dreams

On labpadre Scott Manley is talking about bringing down historic objects in orbit. Like the hubble or parts of the ISS. Would be pretty amazing to see that stuff in-person.

>>12441011
Yeah it's cool. It could also do service missions on JWST and even launch it....

>>12440921
Same with Scott Munley. I love the guy but his politics are retarded. We’re both Californians which makes it suck.

>>12440945
Isn’t there a poll that showed like 60% of SNC voted for Trump and 80% of ULA votes for Trump too?

>>12440786
If SN8 auto aborts again I’ll cry, but I’d rather have that happen than an RUD on the pad for retarded shit and go fever.

>>12441021
>It could also do service missions on JWST
could it actually get to Lagrange point 2 and back?

>>12440854
>>12440858>>12440872
So what does the landing time mean? That it will just be hovering ~12km over bocachica from launch time until starship lands?

>>12440828
>doesn't even have launch in the title
>literally falls through my filter
Fuck that.

>A fucking tin can

>>12441030
Yes. Starship has enough Delta-V to launch all the way out there if it had a crew of like 4 astronauts and minimal supplied, all without orbital refueling.

>>12441036
Most likely yeah

>>12441011
Oldspace wouldn't allow that happen. They'll complain that those objects weren't designed to handle a flip and landing, and thus will be damaged, but the truth is that they don't want to be upstaged by SpaceX and have existing proof that oldspace used to be productive

>>12440875
live

>>12441047
is that with or without a superheavy booster?

>>12441011
Is it too early to start considering SLS for that?

>>12441056
With, obviously. Starship is TSTO on Earth, SSTO on the moon or Mars.

>>12441057
>Is it too early to start considering SLS
yes

>>12441011
Probably the biggest problem with this starship is that it is lacking purpose. Falcon 9 is useful, the Dragon is useful, but the starship? What it is good for except for Mars? If there is no commitment from governments to go to Mars then it is pretty useless.

>>12441021

JWST is inherently unmaintainable, the instrumentation is so sensitive that even trace contamination from a visiting spacecraft's thrusters could ruin it's observations.

>>12441062
But think about how much money we could save.

>dude megazord

>>12441070
then space dust would also interfere

>>12441047
>Starship has enough Delta-V to launch all the way out there if it had a crew of like 4 astronauts and minimal supplied, all without orbital refueling.
that's fucking insane

>>12441048
yeah well fuck them

>>12441068
starship's main selling point is that it's cheap as fuck. And it's going to be the only means to put/construct large things outside of earth because SLS block 2 cargo is never happening.

>>12441077
*think about how much money we could spend

Is this the same rocket that fucking EXPLODED some months back?

>>12441070
I know it’s supposed to be cutting edge and all that but that’s really retarded.

>>12441050
"american astronauts from american soil back into american space"

>>12441099
it has exploded a few times, but it's been a while since the last explosion. I think the last one that blew was around the time of DM2.

>>12441099
No, the one that exploded exploded.
This is a new one.

>>12441099
That was SN4. Was only the prop tanks and it EXPLODED because of an external issue with the methane lines. Not an issue with the rocket itself. In fact I don't think a starship prototype has ever truly exploded? Some of the earlier ones popped in pressure testing but that's about it

>>12441068
The entire point of SpaceX is not needing a government for that you dumb euronigger.

>>12441068
Starship can do everything Falcon 9 can for less. The entire thing costs $70 Million or so to build, and throwing it away on every flight while having a good profit margin (2X) gives us a launch cost of $140 million. SpaceX could triple launch satellites to GTO for $47 million each or two direct into GEO for $70 million each, and still be the cheapest in the industry. Reusing the first stage Superheavy and expensing the Starship can lower the launch price down to only a few million

What's the approximate ETA for launch if it happens today? Are talking about tens of minutes or hours from now?

>>12441125
About 2 hours from now.

>>12441123
In retrospect making the thing out of steel was so smart. It's so CHEAP goddamn. Like 60x cheaper than carbon composite if I'm remembering right. Wonder if other companies are going to copy SpaceX and start using it themselves.

Unknown, but once we see any sort of venting(fueling), it will take ~1+ hour or so. They just tested the wings on the starship right now. So maybe they might move on to fueling preparation in the next hour

>>12441163
>>12441125

>>12441156
Imagine if they did that stupid machine honeycombing shit to each prototype.

What are the tanks filled with, prior to fuelling? Nitrogen?

>>12441156
I don’t know. It seems like a no brainer I mean it’s cheap and you can make thin walls with it. Balloon tanks are cool but super expensive though.

>>12441174
nothing, starship is structurally stable without fuel
they fill it bottom to top to prevent the top tank from collapsing into the lower tank (again haha)

>>12441100
Space is hard

>>12441170
I’d imagine there would be less pressure test failures. Maybe we’d have the equivalent of SN5’s hop happen all the way back in 2018 instead of 2020. One can speculate that a first Starship flight could occur in 2019. Although it’s overall just a more expensive thing, and it’s very brittle too. If Carbon Composite SN4 exploded after its static fire, we’d wait 6 months for a replacement to be made.

>>12441070
Seriously? The more I read about the Webb, the more I'm convinced it is designed to fail.

>>12441068
Elon Musk doesn’t need some shitty government to help him colonize Mars

>>12441170
Don't they just weld the honeycomb on? Or am I thinking of something different?

A fucking tin can.

>>12441201

They tend to start with a thicker piece of metal and then machine the pattern down into it.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA927

Take off has been delayed to 8.30pm UTC

>>12441210
No, I meant spacex, didn't they decide the machining was not worth it and just welded the honeycomb in place for support?

>>12441070
>>12441195
i don't see why that would be a factor
it's not like they would be doing any observations when in maintenance

>>12441209
It makes it all the more embarrassing for oldspace when this thing puts more mass into orbit in a single launch than a Saturn V and costs less than a Vanguard

>>12441209
this tin can has given me more hope than anything else in a long time.

>>12441209
A fucking tin balloon.

>>12441200
maybe not
let's hope gov't indifference doesn't turn into gov't interference

>>12441247
How did they make atlas boosters? I mean they collapse on themselves without pressure, so how does one put it together without having the segments crumple.

>>12441252
Braces

>>12441252
it only collapses when it's loaded on top without pressure
like that one time SN4 or something collapsed when the top tank was filled before the lower tank

>>12441226

I'm not 100% sure, they do have stringers and supporting braces at various areas.

I know we've seen the barrel section of the nosecone and that has additional support inside.

>>12441278
I could have sworn I heard Musk say something about it in an interview. But I guess he could have been talking about anything.

>>12441226
>>12441278
I know for F9 spacex knew not to fall for the mill meme like ULA has. It costs a LOT of money and time and instead they opt for a strong cylinder with added support welded on. I would think they do the same thing with Starship

>>12441273
Isn't starship supposed to be strong enough to carry its payload without being fueled?

>>12441338
Yep, it'll be able to launch and carry any payload without fuel. Its sheer size is 100% for payload and they are using LOX and Methane to simulate payloads.

Daily reminder it's 2020 and the best plane for the job is a BRITISH design from the 1950s.

>>12441359
Bongs had quite a few geniuses before the government scared them off to the US and Australia. And as the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. A saying that quite a few people should listen to these days.

>>12441209
Can't wait for the orbit of one of these to pass above my house. Imagine the flare.

I wonder if SpaceX are thinking about converting a Heavy Side to a Falcon 9. They did the reverse conversion, so I think it must be possible, but I dunno if it'd be economic. They're going to have four of those and no Heavy Cores next year, so they'll be sitting idle.

>>12441382
A starship just flew over my house!

>>12441384
Heavy Sides are vanilla Falcon 9’s I’m pretty sure. What I wonder is why they can’t just make heavy cores the norm.

VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING VENTING

>>12441411
Probably due to mass constraints. The center cores have the additional hardware, and IIRC additional internal structural elements to handle the stress of having the side cores also pushing.

>>12441425
Farm venting?

Which one of you fucks posted this?

>>12441456

When is the launch?

>>12441484
never

>>12441491
I think that's a bit long, even with Musk time.

>>12441484
2 hours

>>12441189
nah, the pressure test failures all happened around wield lines. Isogrids wouldn't have made a differences

>>12441338
if the bottom tank is empty while the top tank is full you get problems. That's what happened with SN3. Otherwise you're fine. People forget that fuel is heavy.

>>12441456
lmao

>>12441484

SN8 is venting

Oh shit! https://twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1336748473480339458

>>12441514
Then how are they going to load cargo on starship&superheavy combo?
First fuel superheavy, then put already fueled starship on top, and then put in the cargo?

>>12441533
obvious sabotage effort by jeff

>>12441533
rip grabby

>>12441538
spacex uses super chilled propellants so they'll all be fueled around the same time I think. SH will probably have to be reinforced to handle the weight. As for cargo on SS, if I've got my fact right a full 2nd tank will be far heavier than any cargo. Remember, this stuff is heavily condensed and under a lot of pressure. They pack as much as they can in these tanks. Before liftoff the vast majority of a rocket's weight is fuel.

ARE THE ‘57 PILOTS EMPLOYED BY BLUE ORIGIN, WHAT’S TAKING THEM SO LONG

3PM LAUNCH LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOO

>Kate Rubins has been slotted to Artemis
space waifu acquired

>>12440185
I still can't believe Elon is a contolist

>>12441595

>>12441365
I think at least some people in the British government have finally woken up to the fact that there is a space race on, there is potentially massive power and wealth at stake, and that they have no choice but to compete. It's just so annoying to think of where an evolved Black Arrow could be by now. I'm tempted to bloody well start a company myself, though I'm not sure distilling high concentrations of HTP in an urban area is such a good idea

>>12441599
There is no such thing as innocence. Only degrees of guilt.

>>12441606
>though I'm not sure distilling high concentrations of HTP in an urban area is such a good idea
Meh, it's not like there's anything of value in British cities now.

SpaceX makes it official:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-BkkrRg-o

>>12441581
She deserves to be the first woman on the Moon. She wouldn't make a big fuss about it.

>its happening.gif

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG2JwwOphLQ

NASA's artemis update

>only 1.4k viewers
LMAO

40 minutes boys, post your predictions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap-BkkrRg-o

SpaceX stream countdown has started

>>12441637
Pretty terrible timing.

>>12441637
This might be the most brutal mogging of our generation

>>12441639
Scrub or fucks up the manoeuvre or fucks up a leg on landing.

>>12441623
Very interesting, could happen today, or it could be another nothingburger

>>12441649
I really hope starship flies today because BO just released a "hype" video on youtube and the thought of it getting drowned out and forgotten because of a spacex tin can flight is really funny

>>12441639
They'll fuck up the horizontal to vertical bit, decent explosion.

>>12440874
liquid hydrogen

>>12441670
I think even the general populace is pretty desensitized to hypeshit by now. At least above 25 years old or so.

>>12440892
it's liquid methane
>>12441047
no, it doesn't
it can't even get to GTO without orbital refueling
>>12441068
Good thing there's a commitment from Elon. He's not bringing the government with him.
>>12441095
It doesn't have enough delta v without refueling

>>12441670
BO released an engine test hype video. Its a useless gimmick.

>>12441114
one fell over

>>12441273
No, Atlas was true balloon, it collapses under no load if it's not pressurized

>>12441691
There's still plenty "I fucking love science!" manchildren out there.

>>12441599
but all of those things are good things
Contolism HAS been tried, and it works

>>12441674
yeah, I think it's going to happen slightly too early or too late and they're going to crash

We're getting blue-balled again, aren't we?

>>12441745
As critical as I am about musk, it ain't over until its over.

>>12441581
full list
https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis-team/

>>12441753
I thought it was gonna be a list of space waifus

>>12441639
everything goes perfect right until the point in which the engines reignite, then the alerons get stuck so it doesnt reorients itself, basically creating a ballistic missile that lands uncomfortably far from the predicted area and uncomfortably close to an inhabited structure. 6 months delay dealing with legal measures emanating from this incident

>>12441753
>Kate is the only one with an American flag in the background

>>12441771
My girl

>>12440665
Doing it from the nose is significantly better because Starship is already going to be able to handle hanging by the nose at 1g since that's how it's going to be stacked on Super Heavy. Also because from the side is just weird as fuck especially for the people inside.

>>12441753
which ones are actually slated to be mission commander?

>>12441787
They haven't been assigned to missions yet

>>12441787
None of them because it won't be ready by 2024.

BYE SN8
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MINI STARSHIP, NOT YOU

>>12441852
you fucking bald slav jew cocksucker if you don't shut the fuck up I'm going to Mars Direct your asshole

SpaceX official is LIVE

Aliexpress valves are gonna fail again, but this time it will just pop without combusting

STICKY
>>12440817
FIVE MINUTTTEEEESS

We won't see this flying within this year, guys
We'll need a christmas miracle

Orc as fuck

Big dick launch energy.

HOLD
O
L
D

:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJwpr9fEeEw

QUICK OPEN ANOTHER TAB AND PAUSE THAT MUSIC, PLAY IT WHEN ITS 24 SECONDS TO LAUNCH AND IT WILL LAUNCH WHEN THE INTRO KICKS IN IT WILL BE AMAZING

SCROOOOOOOOOOB

FUUUUUUUUUUCK

Hold, not a scrub. But probably a scrub

Forget about it. I'm closing this window. It won't happen.

>>12442024
After that venting it's at the very least a retank. God thing I don't fucking want to sleep ever.

Waiting for new T-0

AAAAAAAARARAAGAGAHAGGAZATATARAARAAARAAAAAAAAFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCUCUCUCUKKKKKKKKKMMNENEMMMEMEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRREER

>>12442046
It will never fly

looks like a recycle, not a scrub

A small aircraft might have caused range violation

What would Von Braun do if someone in a boat got too close to a Saturn V test?

>>12442163
Probably send in some u boat and sink that fucker

Would there be a way to contact and radio that pleasure plane? I'd like to give these geriatric pieces of shit a piece of my mind.

>>12442163
Nothing, the army would arrest them long before they got close for being a soviet spy

>>12442163
Back in the day they would chalk it up to retardation on the part of the victim and go ahead with the launch. At least, that's what would happen in my romanticized idealized version of the 60's space program.

>>12442183
Fuck me I'm retarded, but there still should be a way to contact that boat.

BOOM

>>12442163
Smoke a cigarette, pour a cup of coffee, and some german would hold back the range safety officer and launch the thing anyways

>>12442203
Lmao someone post the story, for good luck

TFW you just can’t compete

>>12442245
Kind of a moot point, as much as I like bashing NASA. They had a desk of people, SpaceX has a rocket that will probably explode.

NASA should stream their green run to get a good comparison. oh wait...

>>12442245
>same old expensive slow boring shit, talking heads in a grey conference room probably
vs
>basically monster truck rally but giant rocket, high likelihood of fireworks

>>12442245
watching stuff explode is more exciting, who would have thought

Another try in about an hour and 20 minutes.

>>12442245
Doing stuff is more interesting than talking about doing stuff.

>>12442245
>Live development of a new rocket with ridiculous potential
or
>NASA telling us that space is racist

Hmm.

New attempt at 4:40 pm CST

>>12442361
Whats that in real people time?

>>12442393
1hr 12mins.

>>12442394
Thanks

>>12442393
He just posted it

what does the rocket use to run the electronics and keep the cryofluids cold? All batteries or does the engine charge them somehow too?

So at this point /sfg/fags who live in the USA need to not only patrol the waters in their boats to tell retards to fuck off but also the skies now.

>1 hour + of raptor upskirts

>>12442422
its better than an upskirt, its an inwards view from the skirt, like if you taped a cam right on top of the girls panties

>>12442403
>keep the cryofluids cold?
The venting does that

>>12442403
They have several tesla car battery pack loaded into the vehicle for electricity.
The propellants are kept cold by being chilled on the ground to cryogenic temperatures, nothing 'keeps' them cold inside the rocket other than the effects of having a huge volume of fluid in a low surface area shape. The thermal flux from the surrounding environment would boil off all of the propellant after a few days, but for the few minutes that the cryogenic liquids are inside the vehicle they hardly warm up at all.

having reuseable rockets sounds like such an obvious idea when you think about it. Was Elon Musk the first nigga to think of this or is there some other reason we didn't have reuseable rockets until now?

*assuming spacex was the first to do reuseable rocket. I'm not a spaceflight autist I'm just here for the launch

>>12442454
Jews in NASA used cost-plus to prevent innovative ideas from coming to fruition.