/sci/ - Science & Math

self-regulating problem

>>12431299
It was until mass-immigration began. Now it's just out of control

>>12431319
>muh immigration boogeyman
retard take

>>12431323
Are you dumb? or just deceptive?

>>12431370
just because your right-wing circles tell you to be afraid of something doesn't mean it's leading to the problems they try to claim
how does mass immigration lead to overpopulation? there are still the same amount of people, just in different places. that's why this is a retard take, it doesn't impact the self-regulation at all.

Ban on all threads that can be summarized as
>noooooooo
when?

Open Borders and foreign aid was a mistake. Let nature take its course

>>12431377
migration is bleed off, removing local self regulators

>>12431409
and then they're subject to new local self-regulators

>>12431418
like shooting every foreigner trying to invade your country?

>>12431392

>No pooers to exploit
>Cash flow dies
>Infighting starts

Overpopulation is a myth, or even if it were remotely true, SS the problem is mostly the western and Chinese consumer, what are you retards going to do about that?

>>12431294
>Why isn't the problem with overpopulation adressed?
It's addressed in a 66 page document where that image is from you donkey.

>>12431377
What happens when you pair the birthing rates of the third world with the consumerism and wealth of the first world? There you go brainlet. Holy fuck when has this board turned into a leftist shithole.

>>12431500
They see /sci/ as less stridently right wing and a safer space.

>>12431294
There isn't and has never been a problem. In fact more population means progress. Let's say there are hundred people? What can they do? They can hunt and gather, perhaps some simple agriculture, but what for, if you can just pick nuts from that tree over there?
A thousand might allow for some simple technology and division of labor - theone who makes the best spears can make spears for everyone, for the share of the food. Progress.
Ten thousand people may allow more progress. Now the spear maker can afgord to send people to gather the raw materials for him, and only make spears...
Let's step forward to the modern age. Apollo project cost about 200billion in current dollars, which meant that the average american had to contribute the equivalent of a good phone to the effort. Which is quite a lot.
A united planet with 10 billion people could handle it by everyone contributing the equivalent of a restaurant meal. A much more manageable project.
For an ekumenopolis with one trillion people, that would be a project of lical importance. For a Coruscant like megastructure with a quadrilion inhabitants, and utterly trivial project that occurs on a daily basis.

>>12431294
There isn't and has never been a problem. In fact more population means progress. Let's say there are hundred people? What can they do? They can hunt and gather, perhaps some simple agriculture, but what for, if you can just pick nuts from that tree over there?
A thousand might allow for some simple technology and division of labor - theone who makes the best spears can make spears for everyone, an they give him food. Progress.
Ten thousand people may allow more progress. Now the spear maker can afford to send people to gather the raw materials for him, and only make spears...
Let's step forward to the modern age. Apollo project cost about 200billion in current dollars, which meant that the average american had to contribute the equivalent of a good phone to the effort. Which is quite a lot.
A united planet with 10 billion people could handle it by everyone contributing the equivalent of a restaurant meal. A much more manageable project.
For an ekumenopolis with one trillion people, that would be a project of local importance.
For a Coruscant like megastructure with a quintilion inhabitants, an utterly trivial project that occurs on a hourly basis.

There isn't and has never been a problem. In fact more population means progress. Let's say there are hundred people? What can they do? They can hunt and gather, perhaps some simple agriculture, but what for, if you can just pick nuts from that tree over there?
A thousand might allow for some simple technology and division of labor - the one who makes the best spears can make spears for everyone, an they give him food. Progress.
Ten thousand people may allow more progress. Now the spear maker can afford to send people to gather the raw materials for him, and only make spears...
Let's step forward to the modern age. The Apollo project cost about 200billion in current dollars, which meant that the average american had to contribute the equivalent of a good phone to the effort. Which is quite a lot.
A united planet with 10 billion people could handle it by everyone contributing the equivalent of a restaurant meal. A much more manageable project.
For an ekumenopolis with one trillion people, that would be a project of local importance.
For a Coruscant like megastructure with a quintilion inhabitants, an utterly trivial project that occurs on a hourly basis.

>>12431596
There isn't and has never been a problem. In fact more population means progress. Let's say there are hundred people? What can they do? They can hunt and gather, perhaps some simple agriculture, but what for, if you can just pick nuts from that tree over there?
A thousand might allow for some simple technology and division of labor - the one who makes the best spears can make spears for everyone, an they give him food. Progress.
Ten thousand people may allow more progress. Now the spear maker can afford to send people to gather the raw materials for him, and only make spears...
Let's step forward to the modern age. The Apollo project cost about 200billion in current dollars, which meant that the average american had to contribute the equivalent of a good phone to the effort. Which is quite a lot.
A united planet with 10 billion people could handle it by everyone contributing the equivalent of a restaurant meal. A much more manageable project.
For an ekumenopolis with one trillion people, that would be a project of local importance.
For a Coruscant like megastructure with a quintilion inhabitants, an utterly trivial project that occurs on an hourly basis.

>>12431294

Never, the only reason were told about muh over population was to assist with reducing the White birth rates.

>>12431609
you're assuming that these more peoople have as much compettence as the other group?
1bn sub saharan africans will never achieve what 1bn west northern europeans or east asians could achiieve

>>12431294
>Why isn't the problem with overpopulation adressed?

Because it's racist to do that and everyone will call you a Nazi.

>What could be done about it?

It's a self-correcting problem. Nothing needs to be done but the way in which it will correct itself will be an ugly thing to witness indeed.

>When will governments in Asia and Africa do something about their population explosion?

They don't have to. What will come will come.

The whole UN global warming thing was actually about overpopulation.

>>12431323
retard

>>12431294
Is this a joke?

>>12431689
I'm not. Competence will be gained. Scientific advancements are only worth it in the similar way, only when there are enough people who benefit from it. You cannot have a neurosurgeon for a thousand of people, you cannot build a subway for a 10k city, you cannot afford the Apollo project with a hundred thousand people. Basically the fewer people you have, the less competent and poorer per capita they will be. Europe got ahead because of the Black death and the advancements in sanitation that allowed big, dense cities. Ancient Rome likely was just a bit short of making automation worth the effort.

>>12431690
>the way in which it will correct itself will be an ugly thing to witness indeed

It's incredibly ironic how the mere topic of population control is so morally frowned upon by, basically almost anyone, while the consequences of not acting are even worse than committing genocide itself, which would be an extreme that the vast majority of the world (except apparently China) wouldn't turn to anyhow.

Politics is incompatible with biological reality. Political beliefs are almost akin to a religion at this point.

>>12431809
>Competence will be gained

>~80IQ
>100IQ

>>12431835
The countries that experienced the biggest population growth now experience the biggest economic growth. On the other hand those wherethe population leveled off early are mow starting to see stagnation. The attempts to limit growth are short sighted.

>>12431294
THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xkXjj6dalM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHNh5gYH780&t=343s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obRG-2jurz0

>>12431500
>>What happens when you pair the birthing rates of the third world with the consumerism and wealth of the first world?
The consumerism and wealth of the first world is predicated on the birthrates of the third world.

>>12431377
Overpopulation is a local problem, not a global problem

>>12431377
>how does mass immigration lead to overpopulation?
It doesn't contribute to global overpopulation much, but as one consequence of global overpopulation, in the long term it dilutes the per-capita advantage of most people who were born in the more developed nations of the world, and corrodes democratic institutions in them by increasing economic inequality to mutually alienating levels, and by raising the temperature of culture wars as well. In the West, most of the rise of the populist right, as well as the hypocrisy of the lunatic left among the rich who gleefully underpay their imported domestic staff, is attributable to it, and one need not be either to recognize that fact about it. Indeed, if I were either a power-hungry right-wing demagogue, or a control-freak globalist billionaire, plotting the ruin of those institutions from whatever lair is the center of my operation, I'd argue for more mass immigration, like most of the people in this assinine thread are doing.
>>12431824
Political beliefs are most particularly incompatible with the reality of the limits to industrial development generally: It's as if politics itself has turned into a belief that technology can reverse entropy, and save the world from existing poverty or decline into it (depending on where one sits) no matter how high population gets, or for how long it stays at today's already ruinous level.

>>12433458
Not with trade. This is why milions live in deserts.

>>12433737
Democracy is eroded by democracy being bullshit. A system that is in everyone's best self interest to defy can never be stable.

Lefties are seething apparently but to answer your question OP, governments and corporations are in fact doing something about it. Currently from the 2000's to the 2030's the World governments are coordinating in figuring out how to plateau certain global demographics - specifically Africa, India, and China. Right now these three decades are important to hypothesize and experiment with the potential plans, as they stem from a much earlier planning phase, the 1980's, and 1990's. The Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria conflicts are being used for training and logistics. In order to control the masses in their own nations, the West developed strike plans to not just create wealth and control over land regions/pipelines, but to train, strategize, and recycle information into a newer, better future. For example, one of the logistical information campaigns used by recon units in Iraq, was to gather the biometrics of Iraqi villagers (face capture, thumb prints, sometimes blood). In order to coerce them the soldiers would use starvation and or dehydration by cutting off supplies to the village, or destroying/guarding local water sources. Eventually many of the indignant became the meek, and they surrendered to the American government their data in exchange for sustenance.

What does this have to do with control of the West? What does this have to do with the problem of over-population (which is seen as a legitimate problem by our current governments)? They are all apart of a century long plan to develop persistent, regulated control over the world. It is not to say that the conspiracies of a New World Order, or Globalism isn't at times blown out of proportion by those on the Right, but they are correct in asserting that there are secluded, silent groups of the philosophically aligned, working towards as much control as they can field. (c)

>>12431294
A lot of powerful people (rich people) make a lot of money from population growth.

(c) By calming the populations in their own nations to be more obedient and servile, this ensures that there will be less instability when it comes time to implement more authoritarian measures to our laws. In the United States we have the constitution, but any semi-rational person can see that both the Left and the Right (Democrats and Republicans) work together to get multi-layered agendas accomplished. See the h1b bill that passed with all the Republicans voting in favor of it, something Trump was working against with his executive order. It is not to say that politics do not matter - they do. It is to say that eventually, likely in the 2030's to 2040's, the West will start to implement extreme authoritarianism at a slow, controlled burn. Think China. Think religious dogmatic tied governments, but instead of theism it is Atheism, and instead of biblical zealots it will be corporate and federal fanatics.

What does this have to do with overpopulation? Once the West is in a subdued state of regressing individual thought and decisions, primed by a media conglomerate network of every source being controlled and persuaded by the governments and corporations (who work in tandem with the federals), once the biometrics and identities of all US citizens and Western Europeans have been cataloged and given social credit scores (this is coming), once the first amendment and the concept of free speech has been amputated from the citizen (see the experiment of hate speech - a government controlled thought experiment on our peoples, see Occupy Wallstreet and the FBI/DHS), once the citizen has no right to own a military-grade firearm and semi automatics in general, once the population has been shuffled through dysgenic programs to lower the IQ averages of our nations (see reversing Flynn effect and the purposeful manipulation by thwarting public education - see masses), once the people are completely coddled by bread and circus:

Then we will be controlled. (c)

>>12431377
>how does mass immigration lead to overpopulation
it opens up new niches (avenues for consumption) in the destination countries, and leaves vacant those niches in origin countries. The vacant niches are then promptly filled.

>>12431294
>>12433905
They make this money through return on investment in banking and construction corporations, the latter in particular having almost nothing to do without population growth.
You do not need new roads, housing, and infrastructure without more people.

>>12431294 (OP)
>>12433905 (You)
They make this money through return on investment in banking and construction corporations, the latter in particular having almost no reason to exist without population growth.
You do not need new roads, housing, and infrastructure without more people.

(c) What does this have to do with overpopulation though, the OP asks? Very bluntly, the governments of todays world know that Africans are genetically inferior in terms of mental sufficiency. The governments of todays world know that the population of India is mostly filled with genetic dead-ends (higher castes have been routinely documented and studied as higher intelligence due to the cyclic eugenics program - see caste system). Recently George Soros (just a money mover for the larger groups, not some evil super villain), has said that China is the "greatest threat" to the West. This is because it is true. But he left out "potential". China is a serious potential threat to the governments of our nations. As you may know, the Jewish NGO's and Mossad and federals/Israelis consistently tried in the 1960's, 1970's to implement their control over China as much as they could. But China is much like the Jewish people, insofar that if you are not Chinese (a mixture of peoples but largely Han - which is of course a mixture of peoples that became roughly one people), you can not truly rule China. Thus, due to this serious issue of eugenics and ethno-centrism/identity-centrism China holds, so too do the governments consider this Eastern nation a serious potential threat.

Here is your answer for overpopulation: The United States and a few European nations (Britain, France, and Germany) are working on genetic modification like China. China was condemned for experimenting on humans, but our governments are doing the same right now, if perhaps a bit more ethically. The United States specifically that I know of has a black book project dedicated to eradicating specific r-identity genes, which would genocide specific races in one fell swoop (some casualties necessary, until the control aerosol would be utilized to stop the spread/effect.

Governments are seriously looking into the effects of overpopulation. You just aren't going to see anything declassified this century.

>>12433448
>The consumerism and wealth of the first world is predicated on the birthrates of the third world.
This.

>>12433737
>It doesn't contribute to global overpopulation much
that's ridiculous. without migration there is no way humans could have attained their current population level.

>>12433737
i agree 100% with everything else you said, though

>>12433917
>You do not need new roads, housing, and infrastructure without more people.
You still need to do road maintenance as well as housing options.

because there's no actual metric to define "overpopulation"
anything is just projection at some point until mother nature herself causes enough of an upheaval, and even that could come down to collective lifestyle and not necessarily population amounts

>>12431377
seeing the drawbacks of immigration (all things come at a cost) =/= fear of immigrants

>>12431294
Because only leftist scum would ever try to tell someone how many children he can have.

>>12431689
>1bn sub saharan africans will never achieve what 1bn west northern europeans or east asians could achiieve
But those 3 groups are not monoliths at all.

>>12434014
>fear of immigrants
personally I fear the rapists, robberies, insane fundamentalist hostile ideologies that seek to usurp and enslave us

>>12431377
It drastically increases the potential environmental load of over-reproducing groups? Let me give you an example you might understand: an unchecked population of deer gets too large to be supported by the environment. Instead of stabilizing them, you just move the extra somewhere else. Every time the population gets too large, you move the extra somewhere else. Now an otherwise regional issue of a few too many deer has become a global issue of billions too many deer, with massive environmental damage with other deer species now under resource stress due to all the deer thet were spread into their regions.

>>12434455
Oh that's a god example let me find that documentary about Yellowstone wolves

>>12434458
I was sure there was a longer one with a load of graphs and data about specie numbers but this will have to do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q

>>12431294
Because the selfish cowardice of humans means that we measure our society by how many people exist

Were fucking idiots

>>12431377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHY2OE7Yj-Q

>>12434508
>2014 video
>talks about valley deformation like it's a 100 year old story
>"..when wolves were re-introduced in 1995"

It's a nice narrative, but this all seems like meagerly established conclusions

>>12434640
I was sure I remember a longer and really good overview of the Yellostone findings, that went into detail about bankside shrubs like willow and how overgrazing stymied their growth and without their root structures the banks were more destabilised, this isn't a difficult concept to grasp

>>12431294
>What could be done about it?
There is a really simple solution to overpopulation and everyone knows it.

>>12431609
what is your resource limitation?

>>12431609
It's really quite the accomplishment that you've learned to read and write. Personally I believe the mentally challenged can contribute to society if given half a chance. Your parents must be so proud of you.

>>12431370
You are retarded
>>12431370
You are retarded

>>12434826

It is obvious that we are too smart and will destroy the planet before the planet can ever destroy significant numbers of us by shortages or by disease. Really, if you add up all the wars and disease that kill off people, they haven't made a dent in the population of the earth.

So both any natural breaks or killing off people is going to work.

All you would have to do to half the population of the earth is for everyone to have only one child in their lifetime, but even easier is to empower women so that they have fewer children and have them later and you get the same effect.

So the answer is simple. Empower women. Then you wouldn't need any enforcement of child birth rates and wouldn't be fooled by thinking you could ever significantly reduce the population by any other means.

And once again we see that proper management is simple and will never get done because men are stupid.

>>12431294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMo3nZHVrZ4

>>12436834
>>12437844
Yes, it may seem obvious that more people = less resources per person. But is it? Resources are not just lying around unless you want to live on wild fruit, they must be obtained by human work. And the more people there are, the easier it becomes. The period of the biggest population growth was also the period of the biggest progress. In fact it seems that technological singularity, if it is possible, could come from the increasing population, rather than from AI or anything similar. We have more people than ever and the people are on average wealthier than ever, the gains from the higher population have so far greatly outstripped the fact that resources need to be divided among more people.

>>12433930
>The United States specifically that I know of has a black book project dedicated to eradicating specific r-identity genes, which would genocide specific races in one fell swoop (some casualties necessary, until the control aerosol would be utilized to stop the spread/effect.
Wat?

>>12441721
schizo talk.

>>12434455
Humans aren't deer in anyway.

>>12431294
Because population growth is a good thing. It means more human labor available to pursue economic and technological progress.

>>12443010
While technically correct you are an irredeemable retard

>>12443026
ignore namefagging, it was for a shitpost

>>12434455
people don't depend on the forst for food though, we have agriculture that cna currently feed ten billion people, and thanks to new technology that number is incresing every day.

>>12431294
Because is not a problem, because there's no overpopulation and if eventually there is...it self correct.

>>12431294
China and Japan already took care of theirs.

>>12443144
Any agriculture invariably is the produce of further environmental destruction. This is completely irrefutable, all the land that originally had minimal impact on the world climate is currently in use. Any extra person that gets brought into the world now is essentially equivalent to chopping down and extra 10 hectares of forest. Now tell me, is that what you want? To live in a barren world. The human population contracting wont bring back the biodiversity previously lost.

>>12443144
what is massive soil erosion and salination?

>>12431294
They won't. No one will, because the surest way to trigger any people anywhere is to attempt to dictate to them any of the following:
>whether they can reproduce/how many offspring they may have
>what they are allowed or not allowed to eat or drink
>how they may live their lives in general
>what they are and are not allowed to think or say
Any government that attempts to do so, especially when it comes to children, is just begging to be overthrown.
The problem is humans in general.
Reproduction is the most deeply hardwired mechanism in our brains.
Forcibly attempting to supress that will earn you a totally irrational, emotional, violent reaction from the average person.
'Population control' has to be *voluntary*, and few will voluntarily refuse to have children until our species evolves to the point where logic and reason can finally master emotional responses 100% of the time.
What I'm saying is: humans are just animals with larger brains, and we're just past the threshold into sentience. We're a long ways from being truly rational.
Until we are we're susceptible to being sabotaged by our own emotions and hardwired drives.

>>12444101
Just stop the welfare systems it's simple?

>>12444168
Do you want an insurrection? Because that's how you get an insurrection!
Also has nothing to do with the subject, unless you're a racist asshole and are making an assumption that only welfare recipients have too many kids.

>>12444101
I can only have any affect on what happens in my little corner of the globe, which has birth rates well below replacement. What others do with their little corners is their prerogative.

>>12439404
>We have more people than ever and the people are on average wealthier than ever
Technology is not because of it this
This is because of technology. You've got your cause and effect backwards.

>>12444218
what happens when the government is broke? how you seen the national debt?

>>12444244
Right. And too many other people in too many places that are poor are having more children than they can reasonably support which sooner or later will cause problems. Even here in the U.S. which is ostensibly a rich country there are poor areas and poor families who have way too many children, usually because their religion tells them that birth control is not allowed for them, and nonsense like 'God will provide', when in fact they're dirt poor and cannot support 12 children.
This will only change when PEOPLE change. Forcing it on them will backfire every time.
(You) are smart enough to see far enough ahead to not have kids or only as many as you can reasonably support.

To be fair about it, if there was more access to birth control in poor countries women would take charge and not have kids all the time because they'd have a CHOICE. Assuming that is it's not such an ass-backwards country that the men will force women to have kids all the time, which believe it or not happens all over the world. Also need to break the influence of religion, which is indoctrinating people to have as many kids as possible, likely in an attempt to spread their religion through numbers. That's bullshit that needs to stop.

>>12444316
Every country has a national debt. Your argument is invalid.

>>12444345
It's not my country's problem if other places want to overpopulate themselves and periodically have a big war self correct. They'll either figure out how to be civilized, or they won't. It's not my problem. And until they do figure it out, they're not allowed in.

>>12444357
Inflation is not invalid. Same consequences as cutting off welfare.

>>12444510
>myopic brainlet
/b/rainlets /b/elong in >>>/b/

This isn't 1920, it's 2020. What happens in other countries affects pretty much everywhere else.
You don't like that? Tough. Short of returning us technologically to 1920, you can't do anything about it, and sticking your head in the sand is not a solution. Ignorance is not a solution. Stop being stupid.

>>12444527
You're clearly a racist conservacuck board tourist from /pol/, fuck off and go back there.

One of the most effective ways to stop people from having as many children is to build a social safety net.
One of the key roles of having children is so that you can have a family to look after you in your old age.

Part of the large gender disparity of Children in China during the one child policy, is that traditionally women go to live with the Husband's family; they would not be able to provide for their parents.

Italy has one of the lowest fertility rates in Europe, despite being up until recently relatively poor and very religious.
It also has some of the most generous pensions in the world, this is not a coincidence imo.

>>12443935
fixible with fertilizer
>>12443451
>Any agriculture invariably is the produce of further environmental destruction.
so what
>>12444604
when their is population decline and most of the population is retires how will you pay for a social safety net? You won't.

Any society that tries to reduce birthrates will end up like Japan, stagnate and without a future.

>>12444733
>gigatons of soil erosion
>fixible with fertilizer

this is basic maths

>>12431294
>Why isn't the problem with overpopulation adressed?
You answered it yourself - because the governments in countries in Asia and Africa where overpopulation is a real problem refuse to do anything about it.

>What could be done about it?
Stop sending the tens of billions in aid every year that allows the people in these impoverished countries to continue breeding exponentially

>>12431294
Because population collapse is the real problem. We're all going to be slaves to the elderly.

>>12431294
There is no overpopulation problem.

>>12431294
Don't worry, feminism is spreading strongly in those countries. China has been subdued, India is on it's way.
Next is Africa, but that too is showing signs of cracking.

>>12444952
then the avrege age of the population is 63 and their is an inescapably collapse of industry

>>12444952
>China has been subdued
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0gNFnGLeJs

>>12431609
Good idea anon, I’m sure 10 billion niggers will be just as valuable and useful as 10 billion japs and those nogs will surely develop the technology to advance into the stars.

>>12434065
You are correct, but you are much more likely to find great scientists, engineers and generally competent and useful people from Northern Europe or east Asia than you are from sub Saharan Africa.

>>12434455
Good idea, just turn all of the earth’s surface into a concrete jungle to house the never ending population of genetic trash.

>>12431377
Absolute brainlet take.
Only the most sheltered ivory castle retard could claim mass immigration is a not bad.
However it is a different issue

>>12431431
>Nooooo you can’t protect your standard of living! That’s only for the rich,!!

>>12445141
One of the oldest forms of large scale warfare strategy was to drive refugees onto your enemies to push their resources to breaking point and cause massive internal conflict then move in on these weakened states and crush them
So who is paying for all the boatloads of "refugees"?.

>>12431294
Overpopulation will never be addressed because construction corporations and the banks the finance them rely on population growth for revenue.

Without new people there is no need for new roads, housing, and infrastructure. And without the need for new roads, housing, and infrastructure, there is no need for construction corporations and the banks that finance them.

"Economic growth" is population growth. That's why western countries with below replacement are importing enough to more than enough people from high birth rate countries to compensate for the reduction in population.

Don't buy into the quasi-religious consumerist meme that stagnation = death. This is nonsense corporate propaganda to keep their revenue stream going.

>>12431294 (OP)
Overpopulation will never be addressed because construction corporations and the banks the finance them rely on population growth for revenue.

Without new people there is no need for new roads, housing, and infrastructure. And without the need for new roads, housing, and infrastructure, there is no need for construction corporations and the banks that finance them.

"Economic growth" is population growth. That's why western countries with below replacement fertility rates are importing more than enough people from high birth rate countries to more than compensate for the reduction in population.

Don't buy into the quasi-religious consumerist meme that stagnation = death. This is nonsense corporate propaganda to keep their revenue stream going. They want you to ignore the fact that every single human being needs resources and energy to survive, and that those resources necessarily require destruction of the environment and cause climate change.

>>12445230
It's absolute madness, even if you ignore the effects on the environment....

Resources are non-renewable. Ya lets use them all up as fast as possible. I think the the people spewing the "stagnation = death" meme are psychotic.

>>12431294
>>12431294
Because they're all niggers and it would be considered racist just like the Paris accord gives china a free pass to blast the atmosphere with their aids ridden carbon emissions.

A strange experiment with a city building computer game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKz1ibLYgk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAw8jJo6lek

>>12431294
>Why isn't the problem with overpopulation adressed?

Racism... whites are VERY afraid of being racist by telling every Triple-Click and Gupta to not breed like rabbits.

>>12444746
I guess most of the world is stagnant and without a future, except for afghanistan and africa.

Yes the sun is just beginning to rise for Africans, it looks like they'll have a dominating position over the rest of the world very soon.

>>12431294
Are people even thinking twice about the harshness of the lockdowns that are being imposed on them in the most densely populated regions (OVER A COLD THAT HAS A 0.5% DEATH RATE)?? Nooooo. Let's get some more "economic growth"

>>12445589
China is taking over major areas of Africa

>>12445589
>Yes the sun is just beginning to rise for Africans,

YEAH!!!! A new day in the continent of slums!

>>12445667
iof you hyad 2bn with an average IQ of 70 if you killed off 80% of the dumbest what would the new IQ average be?

>>12431431
Wow, maybe letting in millions of people to western nations who will then demand western standards of living only increases the number of western consumers?
Its even worse when those let in are exclusively consumers, becoming a burden on the native population that actually provides economic value.

>>12445660
Not at all. Espcialyl since the Chinese popualtion in China is tiny as fuck and China isn't able to secure themselves niche like whites and Indians did through colonial polices.

Africans can go to China and order goods to ship into Africa. You don't need to use a Chinese middleman to do it.

>>12445540
Yet Indians fertility rates dropped and are still dropping and African's rates are dropping too.

>>12445298
>Paris accord gives china a free pass to blast the atmosphere with their aids ridden carbon emissions.
Many western nations just ignored it though

>>12445230
>Don't buy into the quasi-religious consumerist meme that stagnation = death.
It is though. Stagnation means no development, generation of capital falling, taxes to sustain quality of life being more strained, research taking a hit. If a nation stagnates the world moves on ahead and your salary which was good a years back is now sub-par due to inflation, the number of resources dropping and pricing jumps eroding it.

>>12445118
For now and even in Northern Europe and East Asia it took time for them to develop into that state and even more time to keep it. Not to mention Science noways is more about little discoveries and not big ones so some of the stuff Africans do work in or discover/explore isn't something you can slap on a PopSci magazine.

>>12446317
If India is so great then why don't you go back?

>>12444756
It is. Most soil erosion is due to using farming methods that go for production over sustainability although that is changing.

>>12446337
Then you and the rest of the psychos can keep upping the ante on the things you're willing to do to "get ahead". If you can't see where that road ends up for humanity then you're a fucking moron.

>>12443032
Because humans can actually alter the environment or make choices, change diets as well move more often then deer do in various seasons. Yo know what people did do when the soil is worked to long in certain climates? they moved to another area and worked that patch of land while their old land replenishes itself.

>>12431294
not a problem in white countries, they have to clean up their own mess. giving darkies the white man's technology was a mistake

>>12446358
Most of your statements are based in paranoia rooted in frankly inaccurate assumption. If you've lived in places that stagnated you'd see how shit is for the people living in them. No jobs or very few job choice, very little worker base to start businesses with and not enough customers and clients to serve and grow. Very little draw factor to get people to move into town.

>>12446349
Does anything remotely positive about Indians trigger you?

>>12446373
It's like you can't even read...

>>12446382
>necessarily require destruction of the environment and cause climate change.
Not every resource requires environmental destruction though.

>>12446411
I can't be bothered wasting time on people whose greed makes them willfully ignorant.