/sci/ - Science & Math

>he still thinks there will be a hop

bezos? more like basedzos

>>12425753
elon has been very quiet and that is very telling......cant wait for the shills to apologize when sn8 gets delayed again and scope reduced

>>12425748
The FAA and/or wanting to avoid a specific altitude band of wind in order to have calmer conditions for the test

Is everyone okay with me putting a giant art deco obelisk on the outskirts of our Mars colony? Maybe with a von braun statue at the top

>>12425766
SN8 will finally hop to 10km in Q2/21, and fail to relight the engines for landing

>>12425769
Meant to link >>12425722

>>12425772
>art deco

Soulless cancer shit, kill yourself.

>>12425772
Yes. Do it like lord of the rings. Have a giant statue of von braun and one other guy. Put it in the front, at our gate. Who should the other statue be? Musk, Jesus, Big Jim?

>>12425781
t. no faith of the heart

>>12425772
No. We need to go bigger. Carve von Braun, Musk, Goddard and whoever else into the side of the Mariner Valley, Mount Rushmore style.

I still can't believe Intel picked OmegA with a USAF payload as the promotional image for their Rocket Lake CPUs.

>>12425781

>>12425810
>Four RS-25s with vacuum bells firing at Super Heavy apogee
>third stage gets replaced with more payload for anything cislunar
>or it can use a 4xRL-10 stage to do direct ascent to Mars/Belt/Jupiter/Saturn intercept
4ASS approves

>>12425784
Jesus Christ :)

>>12425801
fuck yes, someone commission a cg artist to do this (or i will). Need four faces, Goddard, von Braun, need two more. maybe Oberth? i think Musk should get his own monument

>>12425829
You keep your Abrahamic subservience on Earth. Mars is for neo-pagan digital shamanistic syncretism.

>>12425840
shalom

Don't mind me, just posting the based Endeavour

on Earth they build monuments to politicians
on Mars they build monuments to engineers

>>12425845
wow we are epic

Are they going to install a GPS constellation in Mars orbit before or after the first colony

>>12425841
you literally worship a jew
I don't know what else to say

>>12425845
On Jupiter they build balloon animal statues that float around the atmosphere.

>>12425784
Hitler

>>12425857
Gps constellation, satellite constellation, imaging constellation (like Planet Labs).
I have seen the future and it is good

>>12425857
After. When everything on the surface is in walking/buggy distance in a place with no vegetation there's no need for GPS. Most early colonial navigation will be YOU ARE HERE mall maps on tunnel walls.

how come arianne 6 has been delayed 2 years? covid19?

>>12425900
Oldspace sucks.

>>12425857
If the colony is confined to a small region then they'll probably use land based radio navigation towers.

>>12425933
Like VOR?

Are starlink trains supposed to be bright enough, to notice them from the corner of your eye? While doing 80 mph at night in middle of nowhere WY.

I thought it was my car windows reflecting the roadside markers at first.

>>12425940
Yeah there are lots of forms of radio navigation.

>>12425593
How much delta-V do Starlink thrusters actually have? I feel like circularizing from a highly elliptical orbit would use a massive amount of fuel even for Argon thrusters.

>>12425879
How's internet connection in Argentina?

>>12425766
downvoted and blocked for re**it memes.
I thought all you Tesla shorters had gone back to femdom porn and Elliot Rodger worshipping forums.

Remember that on the Moon, most large conventional rifles (with the right targeting system) can rain down indirect fire on any other part of the Lunar surface.
Moon warfare is going to be great.

>>12425879
Vom braun/Hitler/Mosley/Musk mount marineris

>>12425818
>>12425810
I kinda hope that someday SpaceX fucks around with a hydrogen design as a side project. Even if it's mostly a meme fuel at this point it'd be interesting to see what it could do in the hands of competent designers.

>>12425893
Do you really need gps? Basic surveying techniques will work fine for the initial steps.
A GPS constellation for 1000 people all in the one place really isn't needed for anything you're trying to do

>>12425964
>mosley
kek

>>12425970
Mars needs a general purpose satellite

That is GPS, comms, and imaging in one package.

Why don’t we have ways of getting into space more futuristic then rockets yet it aliens are laughing at us

>>12425973
GPS could easily be added to starlink bus. So long as you aren't doing super precise location then the tech is pretty simple.

>>12425953
a quick search shows 190m/s, so maybe they do multiple burns at apoapsis

>>12425973
Imaging and GPS don't seem like they'd go well together.
Just deploy a full Starlink constellation and use it to mimic GPS. Add one extra sat per inclination with a big ass camera lens and you'll be set.

>>12425973
Eh, imaging can be done with a handful of polar orbit satellites. No need to have your entire satellite shell imaging capable.

>>12425943
dunno, I've only ever seen them while very dark adapted
you'd have to find somebody who has taken an absolute mag measurement

>>12425967
I mean once you’re in a vacuum (i.e. space, or the lunar surface) hydrogen quits being a meme and becomes king. In all honesty artemis SS would probably be better off if it ran on hydrogen. They could do some cool lunar ISRU eventually, and it would probably make NASA want to seriously invest in a lunar fuel depot for themselves and other companies/countries. But alas, elon does not have a vacuum hydrogen engine. It’s just easier to use methane. The only downside to hydrogen is the large fuel tanks

>>12425988
I wonder if the sats themselves can handle a bit of aerobraking. I'd imagine the Starship can handle dozens of orbits with a pretty low periapsis without a loss of orbit, so maybe it just releases each batch of Starlinks such that the drag will drop their apoapsis over the course of a few weeks/months and then the sats can use their own thrusters to boost the orbit above the atmosphere once it's mostly circularized.

>>12426000
retard
hydrogen is good if you're doing staging (including refueling, if you feel like dealing with the fact that it's fucking hydrogen) because it weighs so little
if the goal is single stage delta v then denser fuels are king (looking at subcooled propane here)

>>12426000
I want to see a SpaceX hydrogen first stage. Just for fun.

>>12426003
you propane fags are really starting to lose it

>>12426008
I tell you hwat

>>12426005
That's called Elon walking in and personally firing whoever signed off on it.

>>12426012
I mean once they're rolling in Starlink bux and already have their Mars colony running, just let a handful of engineers lock themselves in a room and see what they come up with. I just want to know if there is some creative material science or other wizardry that could overcome some of the downsides.

>>12426005
Kek, just imagine Tom Mueller designing a spacex M-1. Even if it ran on hydrogen they would probably find a way to make a descent rocket

>>12425993
Weather imaging mostly. Mainly protect against dust storms at first.

>>12426020
>protect against dust storms

Go back to r*ddit and read le ebin martian book again.

>>12426019
Inb4 you drop the orange foam and hydrogen becomes totally viable.

>>12426025
I know mars air pressure is so low. That the winds aren't really a threat.

Just don't want unnecessary risk exposure from reduced solar energy and dust getting into things.

>>12426005
>Raptor was originally designed to run on Hydrogen
>Through the grace of god they changed to methane
>The first time they ever tried to test their new methane prototype, stennis space center told them their prototype was too powerful and that they couldn’t contain it even with their best equipment
A hydrogen first stage would be awful even if he tried his best to make it work

>>12426032
>unnecessary risk exposure from reduced solar energy

Yeah, sounds dangerous being exposed to less sun than normal.

>and dust getting into things

Things that are already on the surface being exposed to regolith? Go back and learn some fucking English while you are at it.

>>12426027
inb4 magnetized double hulled stainless steel tanks with active confinement and the foam on the inside of the sandwich
>obviously crap for first stages
>but it might work for orbital BNTR where the reactor is always dedicating part of its output to hydrogen containment

>>12426005
Fun fact;

Starship/ITS/BFR was originally going to be a three stage hydrogen vehicle.

>>12426050
source or remove yourself

>>12425784
No it must be S P R U C K

>>12426062
I believe it was the original 2017 IAC presentation. Can't be fucked going through the whole thing but he 100% talks about it being a three stage hydrogen vehicle before they decided on tsto methane.

>>12426062
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/10/the-continued-evolution-of-the-big-falcon-rocket/
Raptor was supposed to be a 7000 kN hydrogen engine.

>>12426068
Call it the Norminal Gate

Happening today?

>>12426094
there hasn't been a real happening since 1972

>>12426132
>ywn set the lunar land speed record with your geology bro

>>12426133

>>12426145
Were those apollo sunshades just made from everyday regular ol’ aluminum or steel or something? Or was it all likely super expensive aerospace grade metal

have /sfg/ always been here?

>>12426259
GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU FUCKING CUNT OH MY GOD JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>12426259
probably just aluminum
almost everything on their suit had that funky heat resistant coating on it though

>>12426266
fuck wrong tab lmao

>>12425810
Shit, people really do hold onto shitposts don't they, I drew that over a year ago I think

Chandrayaan-3 when?

>>12426072
>original
>2017 IAC
nigger the original IAC presentation was the ITS in 2016. He talks about how they looked at three stages but it would have been less optimal than two stages plus on-orbit propellant transfer, and he says that Raptor was gonna be hydrolox until they looked at the numbers and realized methalox was just straight up a better option. There never was a 'real' design for a three stage hydrolox BFR, there was simply a bucket of notional ideas that they were still picking from and sorting through.

>>12426075
Raptor was methalox already that time that they said they were gonna target that thrust output
>>12426265
/sfg/ started in later 2018 as a thread where we all watched a company build a "water tower" in a field, which then morphed into the entire Boca Chica facility.

Gentle reminder that propane would coke up the insides of a FFSC engine almost as bad as kerosene because of its low hydrogen to carbon ratio of just ~2.6 vs ~2.16 for kerosene and 4 for methane
Reminder that this fact means that methalox is the superior booster propellant because it can use the combustion cycle that offers the maximum chamber pressure and combustion efficiency

rp-1 is the only fuel to ever put men on the moon

>>12426330
It had a bit of help from LH2, but the LH2 was used where god intended it to be used, 2nd stage and beyond.

>>12426332
truth

propane is a terrible rocket fuel

>>12425801
>>12425838
Tsiolkovsky

>>12425801
You have no idea how much I want a replica of that for my desk.

engine is an excellent rocket fuel

the taxpayer's money is the most exquisite rocket fuel

Spacex will fail. Buy Aerojet Rocketdyne stocks now and support the American and International space policy makers so we can together build back one better future.

JUST HOP
HOP DAMMIT

>>12425801
I'm voting for korolev

>>12426133
Did they ever get airtime?

F9 launch thread, first cargo dragon 2
>>12422325

What rocket can get to space the fastest? From launch to crossing the 100 kilometer/60 mile line.

Sounding rocket

HOP WHEN
i haven't been following shit for a few weeks

>>12426702
They've been saying "tomorrow" and "next week" for 2 months

>>12426702
>>12426705
Yeah, its not gonna happen anytime in our lifetime. Probably 5000+ years in future something might leave our planet. So stop trying to get into space launch hobby. Its waste of time. Let the idiot engineers play with their toys that will never launch.

is new glenn even happening? It was supposed to launch this year but we've seen jack shit.

>>12425753

>>12426673
Sprint
Maybe a Russian equivalent

>>12426726
In 2018 BO changed the expected launch date to sometime 2021. Something is happening, but no one knows anything

>>12426735
I wonder if they're going to use it in expendable fashion first and patch-in reusability later. There's no way they just come out of nowhere and stick the landing. Far too many variables. Including landing on a ship that has people in it. That's going to give regulatory agencies a seizure.

>Black family traveled nearly 2,000 miles to Boca Chica to watch SN8 test flight.

https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/pennsylvania-family-travels-more-than-1000-miles-in-hopes-of-watching-sn8-launch/

Based

>>12426755
>They're African
Cool, and a good reminder not all black people hate space for gibs.

>>12426735
something something difficulties with honeycomb structures.
Maybe they should have hired few spics to weld one or two props before building a whole factory with a process they didn't understand.

>>12426755
Any trans families too?

>>12426755
Actual african immigrants are top tier committed to American dream/work/scientific endeavours. The local black community actually discriminates against african immigrants so much that african immigrants hang out with immigrants rather than local black community for their social gatherings.

>>12426705
>for 2 months
2 years

T-30 minute for SpaceX CRS-21 launch to ISS

>>12426771
Yes, estronout and his faggot fans

>>12426780
Oh wow, yet ANOTHER falcon 9 launch

>>12426790
I think you're in the wrong neighborhood friendo

>>12425766
the word 'shill' means nothing on this site anymore

>>12426798
4chan is the prime location for selling multi-million dollar rockets

>>12426790
Yes. That's what happens when you dominate the market because your competitors don't even try.

>>12426779
>2 years
Actually, what day was it that they started to build Hoppy? Oldest pic I can find in my files is Dec 22, and they already had the legs on by then.
That was also the start of /sfg/, except it wouldn't get named for another month or two until some anon realized that just watching a water tank wasn't going to be enough.

I'm just now realizing that the Saturn really had to use hydrogen upper stages. Its T/W was already really low. Would have been under 1 if the first stage had to lift a heavier fuel. Unless they made the upper stage tanks smaller with a more dense option.

>>12425784
Musk yeah, otherwise Goddard.

>>12426819
Here's one slightly older one I had saved around the time.
It literally started with the concrete circle you see under it. It stayed like this for a while and a certain resident boomer joked its 9m diameter and they might start building a rocket ontop of it. Everybody laughed until they made the leg cutouts when things critics shifted from water tower to "it's a prop in the middle of nowhere".
Fun times. Much less plebbit posting poisoning everything with chatbot discussions.

>>12426819
No idea, it feels like it was years ago

IN PREPARATION FOR FIGHT

>>12426330
RP-1 put them on a suborbital trajectory, LH2 put them in orbit and onto TLI, and hydrazine/NTO put them in lunar orbit, landed them on the moon, and got them home.

>That one person clapping in the background

>>12426930
>rocket lands
>everyone claps and tips the GNC computer
do americans really?

>>12426937
>his GNC computers don’t get tips
No wonder euro rockets are too lazy to land themselves.

>>12426937
>doesn't like to let the rocket know it did a good job
You heartless scab

>>12426940
>>12426959
No wonder euro rockets go crazy at the last minute and drive off cliffs.

>>12426940
>>12426976
Sometimes they are too lazy to even get into orbit and they just want to come down again.

>>12425860
>you literally worship a jew

Jews killed Jesus tho

>>12426984
>ground support doesn’t even offer free fuel refills
Get your shit together, eurobros.

>>12426984
Maybe if ESA paid more attention to them at home, they wouldn't act out like that. It's sad really, it's not the rocket's fault they misbehave, it starts with neglect in the VAB.

>>12426330
>>12426332
Funny enough, when I went to the US Space and Rocket Center of Huntsville, AL, I actually read that hydromeme was considered for the first stage. My jewdar was going NUTS, the motherfucker who suggested that Saturn V be entirely hydrolox had -stein in his name or something.
I'm not actually trying to say that "DA JOOS WANTED TO RUIN SPACEFLIGHT", I just thought it'd be funny to share. Besides, that happened when the diversity hires started rolling in.

Anyone else watching the live video at Boca Chica?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M

It is not moving, bros...

>>12427042
It says right there, they pushed it back to the 7th.

>>12427042
HOP
OPH
PHO

what’s NRO 108? RTLS so not that heavy.

>>12427061
Different anon, I was waiting for propellant testing but seems like I'll fall asleep before that happens.

So when will this guy finally get to go to space?

Does anyone have that video of a falcon 9 launch with fuel levels and telemetry? I can't find it at all, even in old threads.

>>12427114
when he's 50

>>12427114
as a civilian on starship

do you think they get to go inside the crew dragon to sleep strapped down in their comfy custom molded seats with a toilet right next to them and a window for views

sounds more comfy than the sleeping bags

Around the time of early Apollo (I'm thinking like, Apollo 7) were the USSR and USA the only countries in the world that had astronauts? I cannot imagine having the balls to ride a CSM to space on a Saturn IB when spaceflight was still in its infancy around the globe

>>12427251
>were the USSR and USA the only countries in the world that had astronauts?
Yes

>>12427002
Thank god you qualified that statement. I would've thought you were completely antisemitic otherwise.

>>12427251
Interkosmos program happened later, in 1978, before then it was a purely Soviet-American thing.

>>12427241
Wait a sec, who rode on what? The Crew Dragon and Soyuz-MS17 are the only crewed vehicles pictured here, right? That's only seven people, and I thought there were eleven up there now?
Progress flights are just cargo, aren't they? Like Cargo Dragon and Cygnus?

Could two Shuttles have ever docked to the ISS at once?

>>12427285
How behind you are?

There's the shuttle also docked so that's 6, so a total of 18 people, and Cygnus is just the latest module the graphic fucked up here, also Russian Nauka launches soon which will add another new module

>>12427297
>There's the shuttle also docked so that's 6
What are you talking about? The Shuttle hasn't flown in a decade.

>>12427330
what do you mean its right there

>>12427335
Oh ok

>>12427241
Only the captain sleeps in the capsule, rest of them sleeps ion the station

>>12427343
>get a whole fucking roomy capsule and toilet to yourself

it's good to be the Cap'n

I can't wait for the point where Starship launches are as "boring" as Falcon 9 ones

>>12427341
wtf is this real

>>12426745
They’re probably doing a lot of wind tunnel and other scale model testing.

If we're truly a day away, it's time to put down our final guesses of the outcome.

Success or fail? If fail, how?

>>12426755
The fact that they’re black means.... what

>>12426798
Along with autism and meme.

>>12427374
>Success of fail
Neither, scrub

>>12427370
Not pictured: Each Shuttle actually carried a smaller escape shuttle inside the payload bay, which in turn had their own even smaller shuttles inside theirs.

>>12427374
Failure to flip vertical in time, slams into the ground at a 45 degree angle with lit engines, almost exactly like a failed KSP landing.

>>12427374
Successful launch. Successful belly flop. Successful relight. Hard landing. One landing leg fails. SN8 falls over and explodes.

>>12427374
It's revealed during liftoff that the delays have been due to a propellant switch from methalox to chlorine trifluoride and diborane, due to the brilliant emerald 4000 degree flame vaporizing the pad as Starship rises up.

>>12427396
This. I suspect the parts they’re worried about go fine due to the attention they’ve spent on testing and modeling them. When SpaceX fails, it’s usually due to something seemingly trivial that they overlooked.

when are they going to itasha a falcon 9?

>>12427418
They know the current landing legs are shit though, they just haven't changed them out yet for some reason

>>12427452
They made a bunch of the gen-1 legs before changing the design and want to use them up.

>>12427419
Somebody should tell Elon immediately, he's just the kind of madlad who would do it. Falcon boosters don't seem to get hot enough to burn off conventional paints so it should work.

>>12427374
Scrub

>>12427002
Hydrolox is absolutely a jewish trick, it's really funny

>>12427374
Scrub tomorrow. I think they'll close roads and do a fair amount of prep before they do so though.
Beyond that, it'll fail. My bet is on an engine issue rather than a structural or guidance issue, though I don't know when.

>>12427374
The engines won't light all at the same time on landing or during liftoff, so it will either flop over and abort at takeoff or faceplant into the parking lot on landing.

>>12427374
>engine issues on landing
>loss of control
>crashes into the tank farm and takes out SN9-16

Hop now NET Tuesday. This will be two days away for ever. We're in an endless delay loop.

>>12427511
welp, there goes my guess already >>12427502

>>12427511
Source?

>>12427511
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I wonder how much they simmed the flop, and why they aren't doing a straight up and down hop first.

Why these delays? Why? Weather?

>>12427511
>Better luck next time

>>12427542
Last few days.

Extra cautious so they can get perfect weather/telemetry.

>>12427539
>I wonder how much they simmed the flop
Given that they've been simulating the manuever for years, probably quite a bit. Not sure how much at 12.5km, but I doubt that would change the flip itself much.

>and why they aren't doing a straight up and down hop first
They don't need to test that again, since those tests proved that basic systems work. Also, Elon just seems impatient.

>>12427539
It's probably unstable falling bottom first at high speed

JUST FUCKING GOOOOO AAAAAAAA

Which flies first, SN8 or NROL 44?

>>12427594
SLS

>>12427594
JWST

>>12427542
>>12427560
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@4675354/ext

Mon-Thursday is good weather. Wind is still bit high at 12km altitude on monday, but will prob be lower on tuesday. So that's prob a good day.

Results over rhetoric, gentlemen.

What's the Therac 25 of space

>>12427654
The ORM-65 engine

>>12427654
Early Soyuz

>>12427614
>>12427605
>>12427594
They should just put all the rockets that are pending forever in a museum of near future rocketry

Be thankful anons that SpaceX delays are measured in days and weeks instead of months and years.

>>12427374
Aero works, engines light but overshoot and it flips a full 180 and lands on its back.

>>12427534
so everyday the hop will be delayed one day?

>>12427720
This. Reminder that SLS has been sitting on the test stand waiting for a static fire all year, and that is a rocket that has had more development time than Starship.

Muskies getting scared. SLS will fly before starship lmao

>>12427768
It's being delayed by less and less with each subsequent delay. At some point, the delay length will asymptotically approach zero seconds without ever actually being zero. Expect constantly decreasing nanosecond delays within a week.

>>12427790
SLS is old enough there is concept art from back when they were still painting the main tank white lmao

>>12425804
they both love (turbo) boosters.

>>12427790
The Falcon 9 was developed in the time SLS was supposed to do a green run, and it still hasn't. I think we've got a few more years until it flies

>>12427832
Am I the only one who thinks the green run is dumb and that they should have just launched?

>>12427838
Why do you think that the green run is dumb?

>>12427843
the first launch is unmanned and they clearly have enough telemetry to see if anything is wrong with fuel loading anyways.

>>12427594

>>12427374
>successful hop to 12km
>one raptor eats itself on shutdown
>throws part into second raptor
>successful switch to header tanks
>successful belly flop
>only single engine relights
>other two choke and spit
>hard landing, landing legs crushed, thrust puck wrecked

>>12427866
Why a skunk? Also what the fuck are those engines?

>>12427838
it would have crashed. Green run revealed that one of the main fuel valves wasn't working.

>>12427832
starship too though

>>12427852
They sank so much time and money into this there's no one willing (or being able to afford really) to take the blame if literally anything goes wrong, so it's not going anywhere until they did enough tests of all things imaginable to claim it's an act of god or something completely unforseen no one from the management can be reasonably held accountable for, "sorry".
This, and also the pork must flow.

>>12427917
>Why a skunk?
Skunkworks

>>12427917
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skunk_Works

Changs completed the docking procedure with their samples I think

>>12427956
let's go chinkies! LET'S GO!

>>12427968
>japan and usa spend decade to get a few grams of asteroid dust when we already got more asteroid samples than we know what to do with
>china spends a fucking week yeeting a probe to the moon, hoarding many kg of regolith and yeeting back
how can we even compete

>>12427956
you think china having a good space program will finally put pressure on oldspace to get off their ass
china space program is the epitome of "move fast and break things," they've launched more rockets per year than anyone other than spacex and they don't care when the rockets blow up or drop hypergols in populated areas, just build the next improved rocket and go

>>12426728
This becomes more relevant every day kek

>>12427979
>when we already got more asteroid samples than we know what to do with
those samples are pretty much worthless, being in the atmosphere and all. As for the china thing, it's way easier to go to the moon for some samples rather than to a far-away asteroid that has an Apohelion out in Jupiters orbit

>>12427289
They never would have launched two shuttles at once except as an emergency rescue mission, especially after Columbia, and they were only designed for short duration flights of about 2 weeks.
Could they have fit? Maybe, but NASA is so touchy about anything being near ISS that again, it would only have been done as an emergency rescue mission.
>>12427374
Either way we'll get kino happening.
>>12427396
>One landing leg fails. SN8 falls over and explodes.
This being the least kino result, it will probably be what happens.
>>12427419
>itasha
Not a lot of room, weight of paint, etc. I can wait for Starship itasha.

>>12428024
>it's way easier
>havent done it it since the 70s
we fucking lost the capability and/or will

>>12428035
there wasn't really a need to, since we already had 382 kg of rocks from the Apollo missions, it made more sense to focus on something new

The Hayabusa 2 sample was returned successfully.

>>12428064
Here's your multi million dollar sample bro

>>12428047
this sentiment is why we've been stuck in LEO with administrations kick back and forth between going to moon vs mar vs asteroid vs moon etc.

moon = been there done that
except we know fuck all about the moon. I won't be satisfied with lunar exploration until we get some deep cores drilled and serious prospecting across the whole surface

>>12428064
soneone shop some candles on that bday cake

>>12427374
I think that starship will be loaded up with nukes and the destination will be C̶a̶s̶c̶a̶d̶i̶a̶ California.

>>12427979
Chicomnauts will rule the solar system. Space truckers will have to learn english and mandarin. Maybe some russian if ROSCOSMOS ever gets off their ass and focuses on Mars

>>12427396
So they're pumping the investor money?

>>12427385
that's the buran dumbass

>>12428064
Why is he wearing armor?

>>12428126
we dont want to infect alien microbes with covid

>>12428126
ULA is going international.

>>12428126
They are Earth's last defense

>>12428087
Agreed, the moon is huge and we've literally barely scratched the surface.

wtf happened with audio on today's launch?

>>12427511
NOTHING! ABSOROOTERY NOTHING!

>>12428135
It seems like boomer mentality.

Remenber how shills around her complain that musk/space X "steals" other people's ideas.

or

Remember the shills who brag that the SLS will "beat" the Star Ship to space first? It's as if the whole concept of spaceX flew over their heads & they think it's some 1960s space race,

>>12428064
Where is this?
Not Japan, right? America? Africa?

isn't the "United" and "Alliance" in ULA redundant?

>>12428152
Australia

>>12428126
explosive bolts for capsule seperation and parachute deployment might have a little extra left.
>>12428152
The shit-postingest continent, Australia.

>>12428152
Straya, m8. The armor is to protect him from the wildlife. No drop bears there, but there could be a roo or an emu hinding behind a... rock or something.

>>12428155
>>12428157
Ah, that makes sense since it's close to them.

>>12428087
What the fuck anon? NO
Ever heard of MARS DIRECT?

>>12428154
Anon, I'm on too much stuff for you to be laying this on me.

>>12428126
Gotta protect himself from australian wildlife

>>12428154
Isn't the "launch" in ULA a little redundant given NROL 44?
>the Holy Roman Empire of space companies

>>12428126
Material of unknown composition that got heated during reentry may explose, I guess

>SLS is literally going to launch before Starship

>>12428227
Neither seems to be launching anytime soon.
Also SLS is pretty much obsolete now, F9 and FH could perform manned lunar missions as well for a much lower price.

>>12428216
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>it is moving closer/further away
>doesn't change size
What??

>>12428157
>the japanese dropping stuff from orbit onto australia
Where have I seen that before...

>>12427452
>like Falcon but capable of landing on unimproved surfaces and auto leveling
ITS RETURNS

>>12426763
Yeah. Its just niggers.

>>12428253
ITS SOON

>>12428245
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>>12428166
none of these discussions talked about reducing launch costs to make habitability cost effective to keep the program being canceled after a hand full of flight out.

If we went to Mars in the 90s it's likely the program would had been canceled by now, and we won't be back to mars in 50 or 75 years.

>>12428283

>>12428283
Did Curiosity ever find anything noteworthy from those drill sites?

At SPA for the next week for the Spaceship Company flight. I'm actually in the hangar for once, previous times when I was flying with EXOS Aerospace we were over at the vertical launch area, but this is pretty sick.

It's very impressive inside, we're actually working on our payload in view of spaceship.

They're very particular about us not taking pictures in the hangar, but I'll at least see about posting pictures of our payload maybe or of the 'customer' area of the building which are really neat if they allow it.

>>12428285

Why couldn't Michael Collins see any stars on Apollo 11 bros? He was in transit around the Moon multiple times. Did he never look out of the window? He says he couldn't recall ever seeing them.

>>12428293
they were always in the sun

>>12428265
>yep, that's a spaceship

>>12428292
is this the new space kino?

>>12428278
this, i'm glad we ended up on this trajectory because starship is going to put is literally at least 100 years into the future at the minimum in terms of how cheap it will be to put shit into orbit

>>12428293
Stars are dim and can be hard to see from a small window looking out of a brightly lit room. He also most likely never took the time to seriously stargaze because he was very busy with the mission.

>>12427511
For fuck's sake. This thing better put on a good show to make it worth it.

>>12427594
>NROL 44
Oh god, I forgot about that fucking thing. They still haven't gotten it off the pad?

>>12428287
>Exos Aerospace
oh yeah, these guys. Former Armadillo Aerospace guys, right?

>>12428305
But they're not dim when I can see them on Earth at night. I don't understand why nobody saw any stars on the lunar surface at all or in orbit around the Moon through both lunar days and nights. They have every single possible opportunity to see them and not only did they not see them with their eyes, they did not take any pictures of them.

>>12427241
ISS is a slut, getting docked by so many at the same time.
Her dad MIR is is rolling in his grave.

>>12427511
It's how it is. With our payload on launcher one w/ ElaNaXX there was like a two year looping period of time where they were delaying flight by six weeks, it was a nightmare for our team since it effectively kept us in a very bad place even if we were able to deliver in the end for Demo 2.

Be glad they're doing these delays and heavy tests now prior to having customers.

>>12428286
Pretty sure evidence of water flow was the big one

>>12428303
look at how the shuttle program degenerated from making space accessible by reducing launch costs into keeping the programing going at all costs even if it meant risky flights to keep a schedule.

NASA administrators cared more about keeping their jobs than they did about operating a successful government branch.

I saw a boomer in the comment section for an article about Jim's retirement, and the boomer was complaining about how Jim was not putting his country before his own priorities.

>>12428316
>But they're not dim when I can see them on Earth at night.
Can you see them out of the window of your home with the lights on? Most likely no.
>I don't understand why nobody saw any stars on the lunar surface at all or in orbit around the Moon through both lunar days and nights.
The manned missions only happened during lunar day.
>They have every single possible opportunity to see them
Not if they're working on a moderately reflective surface during day.
>they did not take any pictures of them.
Because they had much more important things to photograph; the mission that they're doing. Their cameras were set to see well lit objects on the moon, and not seeing stars. If their cameras were set to see the stars, then their mission pictures would be overexposed into a bright blobby mess thus defeating the purpose of taking photos of the lunar mission.

>hop keeps getting delayed
what's the reason?

>>12428293
Starts and galaxies have a brigness of about -10 to -12 EV.
A sunny day on earth has 16 EV brighness, in space the sun is even brighter as there is no athmosphere so more like 17-18 EV brighness.
That means to correctly expose both stuff illuminated by the sun as well as the stars at the same time, you need like 20 stops of dynamic range.
Hint:
That's way more than the human eye can see and even good DSLRs can't image both at the same time.
And I don't know a film with anywhere near enough dynamic range, the highest I know is Adox Silvermax that claims 14 stops.
That's some ultra high dynamic range film

If you want to try it yourself, look into a flashlight while looking at the stars...

>>12428301
imagine the rule 34 of this

Do any videos exist of modules docking in space?

>>12428311
NET this week, so it MIGHT launch in 2020 still

>>12428125
you're a buran dumbass

>>12428338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUxU_F4xwFs

>>12428329
>>12428333
Thanks bros. I'm not trying to be a hoaxer I just don't understand a lot of this shit and want to try and fill out my knowledge. I want there to be images from the moon with stars in the background and I know it's possible, but none of them exist.

Also, they took so many pictures up there with different exposure settings that you'd think it would be easy to just get a few shots of what the constellations look like from the moon.

>>12428312
Yeah, formerly the armadillo guys with the doom programmer as their CEO if I'm not mistaken. Their most recent failure destroyed our payload with them and we haven't heard much from them as to when they plan to be ready to fly again.

Spaceship Company (who this payload is with though, but also out of Spaceport America) is one of virgins subcompanies. One thing I'll say is the customer experience is very impressive, it's my first time flying a payload with spaceship company and just in the first day they've done so much to help us.

>>12428353
retard

>>12428329
>Can you see them out of the window of your home with the lights on? Most likely no.
I can, and I live in a light polluted area

>>12428371
quiet buran

>>12428333
Is it possible to see stars in space while in the inner solar system and not behind any major celestial body?

who's your space journo waifu? mine is loren gushers

>>12428385
>who's your space journo waifu?
Jeff "Bulldozer" Foust

>>12428392
post his power stance at the starship update

>>12428362
imagine standing in a giant blacktop parking lot, with the sun shining bright down upon you
that's what being on the moon is like

>>12428392
>>12428397

>>12428381
You don't even have to be behind anything particularly big, just have to avoid significant sources of reflected light

>>12428355
>cuts away before showing it

>>12428405
Jeff "You got a license for that hop?" Foust

>>12428030
stubby legs/10
oh wait that's perfect

>>12428335
>rule 34

>>12428355
>no stars
bros...im starting to think the cocksucker jews made up the whole space thing. even the spheroid plabets are probably just high resolution projections. im starting to get skeptical of spaceflight

>>12428064
nice work jaxa

>>12428418
Jews dont want you to think there is space because they're still jelly on Von Braun.

>>12428064
>your spacemeal, sir

>>12428418
everybody that hoaxes space all converged on the solution of showing no stars because if they showed them astronomers would be able to figure out that they're composites from Earth "uh yeah it's black so you can't see them lol" you can see stars at night but if you get in a rocket and fly CLOSER to them then you become magically unable to see them anymore.

>>12428405
>Do you have permission young man?

fellow /sfg/ bros, tell me how the fuck can one turn a person into a spaceflight fag? I've tried to show cool shit about space to my frens, but all they say is "wow, cool" and that's the end of it.

>>12428362
>Also, they took so many pictures up there with different exposure settings that you'd think it would be easy to just get a few shots of what the constellations look like from the moon.
They used medium format cameras with film.
Film back then had an ISO of 400 at best, and to see stars at ISO 400 even with a rather fast lens, you need to expose for several seconds.
And to do so, you need a tripod.

They did however take pics of stars with New Horizons, wich is now beyond Pluto.
A small parrallax can be seen when looking at realy close stars, but on the moon it's the same as on earth as it's so close to earth.
>>12428381
Yes, you just have to not look at anything illuminated by the sun.
Space telescopes work that way, but if your capsule has any windows on the sun side or some lights running, you're unlikely to see stars.

>>12428443
>And to do so, you need a tripod.
You mean like this?

>>12428442
No clue. Seems like anyone interested in spaceflight has been predisposed to like it

>>12428442
i only got into spaceflight from a bunch of anime rocket girls i started jacking off to

>>12428442
Just get into the field, you'll make plenty of friends and meet sciency people who can appreciate it. I've been lucky to have lots of friends that always enjoy hearing what I'm working on.

>>12428454
>retarded
>from yuropoor
>studying fucking CS
sorry bro, it isn't happening

>>12428448
you would need to completely block all light both from the sun (not too hard) and from the surface of the moon (considerably harder)
basically it was more effort than it was worth, they did deliberately set up a telescope on Skylab because you can look at the stars from Earth orbit

>>12428448
Yes, just that you don't use image tubes and don't scan multiple times per second like that TV-camera does.
You use high sensitivity film, mount a fast lens all the way open and expose for several seconds.

>>12428276
Fake and Gay.
The "Mars" one was made by Danny Wilten from a shot of Ireland with some filters and a NASAs prove pasted in the foreground.

GTFO and DIAF for spreading your lies here.

>>12428417

>Well, uh, the reason we haven't taken any pictures of the stars from the Moon is because, uh, well, y'see... *starts sweating*... uhhh...

>>12428455
You'd actually be surprised. I got into all this by just e-mailing a professor way long time ago a few weeks before starting my undergrad education. He just hired me as a undergrad researcher doing simulations, then I eventually developed a really versatile skillset through directly work on these payloads and projects.

Went from just being a programmer with a bit of rudimentary machining experience to being able to fully conceptualize, design, manufacture and assemble / integrate research experiments and assist in writing the papers for them.

Take a look around your university and see if there's any research groups that interest you, you'll never know where you can end up.

>>12428287
>file deleted
nice try

>>12428488
It was just of my access badges, I'm paranoid about this stuff.

>>12428472
I mean, sure, but the thing is that you're from US (most likely). If finding space bros in US is hard, then think how hard would it be in EU, where nobody gives a flying fuck about space.

so should I go watch the SN8 hop scrub pn Tuesday on South Padre Island?

>>12428492
you know that it's archived on multiple websites, right
https://img.fireden.net/sci/image/1607/29/1607293878636.jpg

>>12428494
Atleast we have /sfg/, and cool space stuff to look forward to. I'm sure globally public interest will increase once SpaceX starts deporting people to mars in a few years

>>12428495
If you have the chance, then fucking go for it. I'd love to visit Boca Chica if I could.

>>12428500
Oh well I mostly lurk unless I'm working so I didn't know, they never told me I couldn't take pictures of the badge so I guess that's fine.

>>12428503
First gen colonists are obviously explorers. In fact the first few hundred launches will be initial settlers. But how long until people start being classified as “immigrants”? I feel like once a city is established and there is a need for entertainment/easy work, a bunch of anti-space progressives will try to move out there only after everyone else busted their ass to make mars nice.

>>12428508
retard, don't try to delete things because they're up forever
remember, anonymous never forgets

>>12428508
Ehhh you’ll be fine. Some welder anon posted his work from boca chica a couple of months ago and freaked out and deleted it all. As far as I know he still has his job (I hope lmao)

>>12428510
>But how long until people start being classified as “immigrants”?
I'm not sure if it'll ever be like that within our lifetime, same with the 'entertainment / easy work' stuff. Maybe 100 years?

>>12428503
Not happening even in the best cast scenario. Get a clue m8

>>12428500
Delete dis.

>>12427285
>That's only seven people, and I thought there were eleven up there now?
It's 7 right now but will be 11 (temporarily) in April. The crew of 7 are long duration while the other 4 are short duration. The ISS should reach 10-11 people three times next year but will remain with 7 long duration people onboard. When Axiom starts getting it's modules up there the number of long duration people will increase from 7 to 8. At that point I think the ISS will max out at 12 people? But it may be possible that the ISS could get hit with overlapping commercial missions, which could see the ISS peak at 15 or 16 people. That seems unlikely though but who knows?

>>12428274
>>12428276
I am seriously convinced that the "SPACE IS FAKE" and "EARTH IS FLAT" crowd is just the CIA jewing around to make sure no one takes actual conspiracy theories like Israel doing 9/11, the CIA having JFK be assaninated, and the holocaust being massively exaggerated in favor of long nosed elites seriously.
>>12428510
Let's hope the Martian cities have a strict "no faggot" policy and just boots their homo asses onto the martian surface with no protection. I hate those "WE MUST SAVE URF AND NEVER TRY TO REACH OUTWARDS" dullards.

>>12428539
>strict "no faggot" policy
What about the designated colony pegboy?

>>12428539
Wow this guy is based.

>>12428545
Even antarctica scientists don’t get THAT horny. Fun fact: antarctica is sort of known to be an orgy fest. Especially the Amundsen–Scott base at the south pole

>>12428545
Take away the gay shit and make it where it's like that weird ass h*nt*i trope where it's one of them cute (but mentally ugly) liberal girls stuck in concrete with their asses poking out.
>>12428547
Thanks. But seriously though, isn't it suspicious how sites like youtube with banhammer videos joking about stuff like 9/11 being an inside job and shit, while letting those fake ass "FLAT EARTH REAL, SPACE IS FAKE AND RUN BY SATAN 100% REAL PROOF" videos thrive? I mean granted, they aren't paraded around as "trending", but they aren't exactly annihilated like every video with a sensitive topic and edgy sense of humor.

>2 launches
>asteroid sample return
>another sample return happening on the moon
>announcement of commercial commsats for mars
why cant every day be this busy

>>12428563
>2 launches
Falcon and what else?

>>12428576
The Falcon 9S stealth launcher for the USSF

>>12428363
>Their most recent failure destroyed our payload with them and we haven't heard much from them as to when they plan to be ready to fly again.
lmao nice. Reading up on them it looks like they're only doing suborbital stuff?

Anyways, have fun, anon. Hope your shit doesn't blow up this time.

>>12428576
The Chinese launch.https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1335508733988904961

>>12428576
HAYABUSA 2 launched its reentry asteroid sample back down to Earth and NASA is basically conceding and accepting companies like Starlink making relay satellites for Mars. As for the moon one, I think it's that chinese ship?

>>12428581
Oh yeah. That was yesterday here, but I guess it counts. Nice pictures. rip villages under the flight path though.

>>12428380
Why is the buran so much cleaner than the shittle?

>>12428590
the Buran was only used once

>>12428596
Can't believe the shittle is a slut

>>12428443
>>12428408
so you're telling me that theoretically on a starship flight to mars the passengers would be able to look out and see the stars and milky way and shit assuming the windows are pointed away from the sun? that'll make things a lot easier

>>12428599
if you turn the lights down in the cabin, yeah

A lot of people wonder why most people could care less about spaceflight and even doubt its existence, but the answer is simple as fuck. For 99.99% of people, space is something they never interact with, have had no chance of going to, and likely something they can't even see beyond a few white dots in the sky at night (most people live in light polluted areas). Once there is a massive martian colonization effort, normies will actually begin to think of space as an actual region of the world that one can travel to (especially so when people they know begin going to space, either just to LEO or to mars). But what will really make normies begin to be interested in space travel is the shear cost reductions that starship will provide - with 10$ a kilogram to LEO pretty much anybody who wants to send shit into space or heck even go into space will probably be able to do so.

Tuesday and Wednesday weather look ideal

Would using Mars & the Space Force be a good way to fill up slots in the Navy which struggles in with man power?

For instance why not have it so that if you work for the Navy for 10 years you get to go to Mars with the space force?

What I would do is have each batch do infrastructure work to accommodate the next batch that's sent.

So if you were to go to Mars in a batch the previous batch would do things like construct underground housing with equipment such as tunnel boring machines.

Once you've arrive you would be put to work building things for the next batch, then once that batch arrives you're freed up to join the wider economy.

>>12425842

As long as your shuttle doesn't start with "C is for Combustible" you're good.

>>12428632
Good idea, maybe you should email the US navy about this in a decade once the mars colony has started

>>12428632
I think that very quickly all other branches will get spaceships and orbital pods just like they all have airplanes. Well maybe not the coast guard

>>12428580
Exos does suborbital for now with the intent of being able to do back to back flights with the same rocket just days apart. But also somehow they have a 100 million dollar contract with Italy for something else, I dont really remember the details

>>12428651
It's not like my goal would be to militarize Mars, the US military struggles to recruit people so I would be trying to fix that problem by using Mars as the carrot.

I think that the above ground structure settlement is dumb for short to medium term.

Once you've sent the equipment and man power required to build underground you could exponentially expand your settlement. You could give individuals and couples truly huge apartments. Couples would benefit because they would have the room to raise a family.

Underground settlements means that you could build what ever you want such as industrial centers to build,test, and store spare components such as rocket engines in clean room condition. You could build large water treatment & water storage facilities.

I want above ground structures but I see those as luxuries.


I could see big underground hangers with the volume of the VAB for things like ground surface transport, long range drones, and rockets.

>>12428651
We have to defend coasts on other planets too bud

>>12428547
>fake Chinese font
Yeah, I'm gonna have to say... faggot. And probably with fake Chinese tattoos down his arm too.

>>12428539
>I am seriously convinced that the "SPACE IS FAKE" and "EARTH IS FLAT" crowd is just the CIA jewing around to make sure no one takes actual conspiracy theories like Israel doing 9/11, the CIA having JFK be assaninated, and the holocaust being massively exaggerated in favor of long nosed elites seriously.
I'm sure there is some truth in this. It is also a very well known and practiced strategy is disinformation and subversion, after all.

>>12428688
I don’t think that would work unless it was like some sort of starfleet military science branch of space force that was designed to recruit desperate STEM fags who don’t really want to pay for grad school, but who love science and would love to go live on the moon/mars to further scientific progress. I would sign up in a heartbeat and apply to be one of the first geology science commanders

>>12428721
uh no. I just want to be a space pirate.

>>12428721
looks like Japanese to me, it doesn't have enough lines to be Chinese

Oh no no no, what went wrong, Chinabros? We are supposed to No1!

https://twitter.com/spacecom/status/1335740327559274496

>>12428763
Why isn't NZ in that list?
Got a burger-making-shit-up vibe going on here.

>>12428763
I misread that as cheibros
>>12428793
Rocket Lab is legally an American company

do you think ISS smells like poop or farts? lol

>>12428793
Rocket Lab is ours now, cope kiwifaggot :)

>>12428793
> NZ company
> Half the time actually launching from New Zealand
> Oh this counts as a US launch
mfw

>>12428797
Apparently the BO smell is pretty fucking bad. They need to air it out after a few decades. Good old fashioned purge.

>>12428804
Just send up a cargo Dragon full of these

>>12428802
>> NZ company
It's a subsidiary of a US company and the engines are made in the US. That arguably makes it more American than the Atlas V with its rooskie engines.

>>12428763
Japan got their space rocks yesterday.
Still waiting for the Chink ones.

>>12428802
>half the time launching from NZ
not for long! the regulations and taxes are squeezing poor beck outta that shit hole

>>12425842
Oops wrong pic

Is Elon-chan trying to turn Boca into a real spaceport for Starship? Will NASA payloads/astronauts always launch from KSC?

>"Will the Biden administration slow Elon Musk's SpaceX down?"
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/528894-will-the-biden-administration-slow-elon-musks-spacex-down

I told you so, not looking good, bros!

>>12428933
It's a good location. They'll still probably do NASA related operations out of KSC though.

>>12428947
>As a result, under President-elect Joe Biden, the alliance that the government has with SpaceX is likely to end. Government will assume its accustomed role as an adversary to the commercial sector. SpaceX will likely be required to go through the environmental impact process all over again. The process, as Zimmerman suggests, could take years.

Everyone of you fucks who voted Biden, deserves this.

>>12428947
Doesn't look like anything concrete. Doubt the government or spacex will let an environmental review stop them.

>>12428933
Related to this post, the biggest challenge to the success of cargo Starship is actually going to be using the full payload volume correctly. Falcon 9 is already at the limit for how large a thing you can transport by interstate highway, and the 3.71m diameter of the Shuttle's SRBs is the maximum for railway tunnels. Companies will have to send their wider payloads by water like ULA's RocketShip, or do final large-scale payload assembly on site at Boca/KSC.

>>12428966
>decide to have rocket be carried by barge so it can can any large size
>only make it barely wider than a rocket designed to be trucked around
Boeing is full of brilliant design decisions

>>12428965
it won't stop them
it may delay them though, depends on how much "adversarial" the gov't decides to act really

Wait a minute where the fuck does spacex launch from when they do their starlink launches? Do they do it from NASA facilities?

>>12428970
Vulcan and Delta core are both over 5 meters wide, that's quite large anon.

>>12428997
Yes, they all launch from KSC or Vandenberg, just like every other Falcon 9 launch.

>>12428998
>Not even 12m
Fuckin weak.

>>12428999
Checked and thanks. I assumed they had to but i’ve never thought about it. I wonder if NASA has any involvement. Or did elon just rent out the space and tell them he intends to launch a fuckload of his rockets every year

>>12429007
There's no way they'll ever make that though, thats too insane

>>12428947
>Musk could finance this operation by selling services from the Starlink constellation, a satellite system that promises to bring the Internet to every part of the planet. In effect, SpaceX would become a space power independent of NASA or any other government customer.

These heady dreams may go crashing to Earth if the incoming Biden administration inflicts the heavy hand of government on SpaceX’s operations. The development would be a tragedy but also the consequences of an election that was perhaps decided unwisely.
WHAT THE FUCK

>>12429008
One of the pads at Canaveral is outright rented to SpaceX, iirc 39A. Vandenberg AFB launches are gay because both the Air Force and California make things more difficult, but it's close to where the Falcons are built so it's easier for polar orbit launches.

>>12429011
That's the old 12m ITS design. Elon has said 9m Starship will eventually be superseded by an 18m design.

>>12429012
Better hope Orange Julius crosses the Rubicon, then.

>>12429011
Bigger designs which are at least possible within the boundaries of known rocket engineering and physics have been proposed, up to 24m I think. Orion NPP ships can get almost arbitrarily large.

Does it make you mad, /sfg/?

>>12429019
God damn, imagine if we encountered aliens and they just saw a bunch of hairless techno apes zipping around the solar system on 30m orion starships hahah

>>12429022
>Nobodies on social media.
The only think that makes me mad about this is that you wasted a post in this thread on it. Why not just keep your twitter sewage where it belongs?

>>12429022
no
too busy wondering who the author is they're refering to and what did he author

>>12429022
No

>>12429022
who?

>>12429022
Oh yes it does. IT FUCKING DOES. Thank Christ they only want to fester on earth. It's a tragic story for the planet that hosted our creation, but I suppose things just go the way they do.

>>12429022
Most people will disagree with you on anything. Good chunk will disagree with you on everything.

No need to expend energy trying to get mad about facts of life. No need to be sad or happy either. Its just a matter of fact.

>>12429029
*30m orion starships blasting vid related on 50kw of wideband

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYPqpjN8GgE

>>12429022
>Muh atmospher
>not living in a perfectly maintained climate in an O'Neill cylinder
Left to rot on this gay ass rock

Bros, I don't know about you, but I just want to see a fucking hop.

>>12429036
its this article
>>12428947

>>12428947
>opinion
oh you told us bro

>>12429022
Ok welldweller

>>12428947
mfw

>>12429022
someone go on there and call them niggers