/sci/ - Science & Math

HOP NET MONDAY

Starship hopping is the new fusion, it's always 3 days away.

>>12417305
Give me a timeline where MOL happens and we have space battles with the Soviets in the 80s

>>12417310
Fuck’s sake.

>>12417310
Why is this happening bros

>>12417319
A major coronal mass ejection vaporizes every artifical satellite in Earth orbit at once, and makes modern electronics too unreliable for the Shuttle to fly for the next five years. Big G plus MOL on a rad-safe Titan is the only reasonable way to get our eyes in the sky back ASAP, and the Soviets know it. We eventually get stations "accidentally" encroaching on each other's orbit and EVA raiding parties with special vacuum modified M-16s and AKMs. Space war to the knife.

>>12417314
Oh it definitely would have worked, it just would have never been able to achieve the levels of reliability that other rockets like Soyuz have, at least until they replaced the engines with a design that didn't use pyrotechnic valves and also moved the production factory to within a few kilometers of the launch site.

>>12417243

>>12417261
that's a good point. Chemical engines' strong point is thrust, not isp. Sacrificing the former for a mild gain in the latter is kind of defeating the point. Better to use different tech altogether for deep space instead of using a gimped chemical engine.

>>12417176
apparently one of the flights (4th?) could have actually worked if they just staged early.

>>12417382
>pyrotechnic valves
oh, so that's why the engines couldn't be test fired. What a ridiculous design choice

>>12417337
I just threw out those numbers as an example. My point was that there's no way SpaceX would need more than a billion dollars to profitably develop a new, small, hydrolox engine using technology that they mostly already developed for Raptor. Also, even if each engine only cost SpaceX ~$500 grand to build, they could of course charge $10 million to whoever was buying it. Eventually SpaceX would likely become their own biggest customer for this engine anyway, since there are real reasons to use hydrolox propulsion in some scenarios, just not for Earth launch in particular.

>>12417390
Why the hell would the Russians say “hey let’s use 30 engines that we can’t test fire on our first stage” like tf were they thinking?

>>12417390
Design is a tricky thing. Engineers often fall into philosophical traps that end up making shittier designs that are good in one or two mostly irrelevant ways (Every gram at any cost, minmaxing operational reliability, etc). Pyrotechnic valves are a good example; you know with 100% certainty that the valve is gonna work when you send the electrical signal. However, the engine can't be tested, and there's more to an engine than just a series of valves. Therefore, the risk actually goes up, because you are banking on the hope that none of the impeller blades have a micro fissure and none of the injector holes are plugged up, etc.

>>12417407
see >>12417409
Engineers can end up wearing blinders, the entire aerospace industry inherited the mantra of designing things to have as little mass as possible from the Apollo era when it actually mattered, and kept it alive universally until the mid 2000's when SpaceX realized that if they made the rocket bigger and heavier, they could fit in mass margins that allowed for reuse, which could make everything launch more often and more cheaply.

Hop never.

>>12417430
Why is the rabbit contained

>>12417433
Pekora said Taiwan on stream.

>>12417305
maud'dib approves

>>12417394
I just don't see any scenario where SpaceX would want to be a supplier, especially not for anything that takes dev time off of Raptor which will continue to be in constant development probably until Starship is to be retired for the next big thing, like Merlin. The value return for Raptor is in running the vehicle that will obsolete most of their competition, while making themselves a supplier is specifically for the purposes of propping up that competition. Whatever the returns they get on it, it will be a ridiculously small part of their business and entirely a charity to the incumbent industry.
I don't really see it happening as an internal project either. What's the place Raptor doesn't fulfill for them that a hydrolox FFSC would? I can only see it as a Lunar ISRU engine, which I don't think is in the cards for them.

>>12417433
the FAA

>>12417310
Thanks Raptor engine!

>>12417486
it isn't the raptor its the FAA and SpaceX times not aligning

>>12417434
>>12417439
Release the rabbit

>>12417510
Never

>>12417507
Its Brownsville agreement with SpaceX not having their beach shutdown during weekends + SpaceX wanting 3 day period for back to back backup days + weather issues.

https://twitter.com/astro_kimbrough/status/1334657473513480193
>Excited to reveal our Crew-2 mission patch! The determined expression of the Dragon in the patch reflects the strength of the team and their contribution to the exploration of space
wow it's the crew-1 patch but worse

I swear to god if John Michael Godier does another episode on the fucking WOW signal I will find him and rip his nuts off

What could have been

>>12417598
The first and only time I watched that dude he was espousing the BO approach over the SpaceX one.

>>12417588
man....who is designing these things? even the crew 1 patch kinda sucked, but I didn't care much. this one looks retarded. are all the crew patches gonna be bad? can we fire the graphic designer?

>>12417609
honestly don't know why i'm subscribed. he's one of the amateur astroniggers that fell for the anti-starlink meme
>muh pristine night sky
>starlink destroying astronomy

>>12417610
>are all the crew patches gonna be bad?
You could say they're all going to be bad dragons

>>12417588
>>12417610
eh, I like it. Dragons are pretty sweet

who has the remove the atmosphere screen cap

>>12417646

What's some cool shit that people can do if Starship reduces launch costs to almost nothing?

There's been a lot of talk about Starlink and Mars, but pretty much every other type of mission would also become easier.

I'm thinking a massive 100 ton probe going to Europa to find out once and for all if there's life.

>>12417662
That kurzgesagt video a couple days ago answers this question- all you have to do is boot the Earth out of the solar system and the atmosphere politely solidifies to get out of the way of your rockets.
Usually that channel is irritating but I like the videos that make normies panic about the different ways everyone on Earth could die from non-preventable space phenomena.

>>12417672
Private manned Moon landings/bases

>>12417672
>I'm thinking a massive 100 ton probe going to Europa to find out once and for all if there's life.
And make burgers out of it.

>>12417674
>Usually that channel is irritating
genuine question, i've seen a lot of kurzgesagt videos and usually most of em are just interesting facts with nice visuals. the only real offenders are the videos that talk about politics n shit, and not even much at that. what is it about kurz that gets everyone's panties in a bunch?

>>12417725
Onions

>>12417725
Facebook science

Can anyone upload that image of Lunar Starship releasing Blue Moon on lunar surface?
Need it for a class presentation

>>12417725
They do the bare minimum of “research” for their videos. They basically reword the wikipedia articles on whatever subject they are talking about. Absolutely no substance or science; and people consume their videos and act like they suddenly know as much as a professional scientist. I might just be gatekeeping, but popsci is fucking gay

>>12417685
extra-terrestrial cooking would be pretty wild. If we ever meet aliens you know we're going to try each other's food. Assuming it's not poisonous and that we're not trying to kill each other

>>12417227
whoa, thanks for this detailed writeup, anon. This is great. Dual expander cycle engines sound pretty sick, though I can't imagine that a bifurcated cooling system that uses 2 different propellants would be easy to design. Does this type of engine actually exist?

>>12417758
We're going to try each other too.

>>12417773
>space vore will become real
OH GOD NO

>>12417766
Sounds like the kind of thing supersonic deposition metal PROOONTING might be quite useful for. You'd need a combustion chamber with two distinct sets of cooling channels of even number and separation from one-another and I think ideally a fuel and oxidizer of very close temperature ranges (like LOX/CH4) because otherwise half the channels would be much colder than the others and that might cause it's own set of mechanical stresses in the engine.
I can't really imagine it being practical with conventional fabrication techniques.

O'Neill cylinders will never happen before terraforming

>>12417773
Mmmm
space-longpork

>>12417773
>eating out alien women
Yes.

>>12417781
Terraforming anything requires moving many orders of magnitude more mass than O'Neill cylinders do so that makes no physical sense

>>12417766
>Dual expander cycle engines sound pretty sick
It's actually just a fuckton of complication for a 1% boost in ISP over a standard expander

>>12417751
gatekeeping is based.

>>12417778
>Sounds like the kind of thing supersonic deposition metal PROOONTING might be quite useful for
good point. That would be perfect for the job.

>because otherwise half the channels would be much colder than the others
yeah that's what I was thinking. Not an easy problem I don't think.

>>12417612
Is there any truth to this? Will it effect us in the first world?

Took me a while to get the file sizes down, fuck 4chan and its webm restrictions.

>>12417878

>>12417878
>>12417880
holy shit this looks insane

>>12417869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfOhC-qntLg
Here's an older video from the SPEE3D printer, now obviously you'd need a great deal more precision for a rocket engine, either the process would have to be slowed down, or the idea I had was to create a rotary deck of different toolheads at different precisions as needed. The armature is also not as precise and steady as others I've seen so a replacement of the armature with one that's more stable would also likely greatly increase build quality. There would probably also still have to be some finishing work, but of course that's true for all fabricating processes.
SSDP is also going to be great for sheer manufacturing speed, even if it has to slow down to be sufficiently precise for aerospace, imagine what a process like this could do in eleven hours instead of eleven minutes. Give it a whole day and it might very well be able to create most of an engine from scratch.
Metal printing, when properly matured gives you exactly that kind of capability for extreme internal complexity in a single homogeneous piece of metal, thus also saving on part counts.

>>12417878
>>12417880
F
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNrX_xrMydQ

>>12417876
it's kinda moot because in the first world the vast majority can't see shit thanks to light pollution, a far larger problem, anyways. But no one cared about that so starlink is the newest scapegoat they're trying to use. SpaceX is working to reduce light reflection so it'll likely be solved in due time regardless.

>>12417880
>>12417878
came out good, though. Thanks anon.

>>12417878
>>12417880
We can repair and rebuild!

>>12417806
I know, I was just trying to get that >>12417777 and cause a minor shitstorm.
>>12417878
>>12417880
F

>>12417889
I guess all of this is why Relativity has been so successful at raising money. And why they're able to brag about less parts so much. Their approach of focusing on expediting and cheapening rocket construction itself to lower costs is an interesting alternative to reusability. It'll be exciting to see how this tech affects rocket design.

>>12417899
"No"

>>12417878
Levolution WOOOOOOOOO

>>12417603
We've been over this, it couldn't have been.

>>12417778
Actually you would just have the nozzle cooled by one of the propellants and the combustion chamber cooled by the other propellant. There'd no need to have separate fluid cooling channels for each propellant across the entire engine.

>>12417814
>focusing on Isp
Dude, read the original post, the advantage of the duel expander cycle is the increased combustion chamber pressure, which offers greater TWR as a primary benefit and a small Isp boost as a secondary benefit.

>>12417962
BF4 was so fun

>>12417878
>>12417880
this is badass, I was afraid that those two pictures were all we were gonna see of the collapse in action.

>>12417899
No repair

Rebuild in space

>>12417984
It looks like an angry spirit in the flames

>>12417736
Is this it?

>>12417433
foryour safety

>>12417971
Not with this attitude.

Could a Vandenberg launched Falcon land in Kent, Washington?

>>12417758
Speaking of space cooking, wouldn't space bread be super light and fluffy? Since theres no bottom it can expand in all directions equally.

>>12418050
Yes! Thanks a lot

>>12418101
ISS grant chaser begone

>>12418158
Kek
>>12418136
What is your presentation on, might I ask

>>12418158
Welcome to Orbital Bakery
Fresh crispy space bread from our master bakers @ISS

>>12417672
>I'm thinking a massive 100 ton probe going to Europa to find out once and for all if there's life.
Send humans on it, because why not?

>>12417672
100 tonnes to Europa would tell you fuck all unless you can somehow fit something that can drill through 20+km of ice in that package.

>>12418223
A nuclear reactor ought to be able to melt through, provided it has enough fuel.

>>12418235
A rtg old get through the ice.

>>12417310
Just 5 more weeks bros!

>>12417878
>>12417880
would be kino with audio backing of Sagan reading that excerpt about outsourcing, regressing and forgetting everything from Demon-Haunted World

>>12418235
You need to extract the waste water/ice. Some kind of fissile core would melt through just fine but the melted water would freeze over behind it.

>>12417889
I've worked in a place that made parts for aerospace. 3D printing right now is used as a way to make people come see your booth at conventions and meets. We actually produced the first flown chain produced 3d part and it was just some 10cm pipe with a dogleg shape.
3D printed metal isn't mature tech. The shape of the part is limted by how the printing is done. The mechanical properties of the produced part are inconsistent part to part. The size of what you are printing is severly limited. The costs are prohibitive.

Don't get me wrong I think 3D printing is the future (the old fucks at my job hated it with a passion though since it directly threatens their jobs), it's just not ready to do stuff like print huge parts or parts that are supposed to be aerospace rated.

>>12418306
What's the roadblock to making large metal 3d printed parts? Isn't it just the existing methods you use but scaled up?

>>12418322
first, that SPEE3D printer is never going to print anything precise, it really looks like convention bait. The point of 3D is making shapes you can't with conventional means, like latticed structures. SPEE3D isn't going to be doing those.

To make precise parts with 3D printing you have to make a flat layer of powder then blast it with your laser where you want fusion to happen. The limits to build quality are laser precision and how fine your powder is. The costs are prohibitive because in a single batch of powder about half of your powder is fine enough and the rest is rated as too coarse to use for aerospace part.

>>12418285
Well yes. A pump of some kind maybe. Although you'd need to continuously lower the sleeve down, which isn't ideal given the length.

>>12418359
I hope your pump and sleeve isn't negatively affected by hugely radioactive water.

>>12418369
Well we can always just nuke it.

>>12418441
Just send a correctly sized payload with colonisation crew and drilling teams instead of throwing fusion explosives at it you fucking ape.

>>12417268
the problem is that "let's fly it then fix what went wrong" doesn't work when the political machine that gives you money wants to kill your project

>>12417433
To keep us safe.

>>12418223
There's more we can do to study Europa than just melt into the subsurface ocean.

>>12418285
No you don't, just let the ice freeze behind you. As your probe sinks you just play out a thin cable to pass signals through up to an antenna on the surface.

>>12417878
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9tENRDVzA

>>12418369
The water wouldn't be radioactive, what are you talking about

>>12418369
1. water doesn't get radioactive, neither oxygen nor hydrogen will turn into anything bad even if you bombard them with thermal neutrons. Oxygen turns into Flourine via beta decay (quickly) if you get it all the way from the standard O16 to O19, and Hydrogen turns into Tritium eventually, which is fairly harmless.
2. Don't bother making a shaft, just let the icemelt refreeze over the top of you. Just leave a communications package on the surface (bury the sensitive bits under a few meters of ice to protect from radiation) and dangle a wire to an aquatic comms package that's anchored to the bottom of the ice. Then have your nuclear submersible fuck off.

>>12418451
You're no fun.

>>12418306
> Appeal to authority from an intern.
Highly complex engine parts are already being used on Rocketlab engines, planes and high-performance racing autos. Custom intake manifolds for cars are big business. Literally wtf are you on about

>>12418165
About cis lunar economy

>>12418306
Nah, bugatti is using printing for bioinspirated optimized parts. Those complex geometries would be absurdly expensive to manufacture, even if they managed to scale production, which is an even more absurd idea.

Whose bright idea was the stupid tunnel-thing on Voskhod 1?

>>12418533

Excuse me, Voskhod 2 of course ,I don't feel like deleting posts. My question stands.

>>12418533
it was mine, and it's genius

>>12418533
Russia uses autistic cosmonauts, so it is like one of those cattle hug things for autists, to relieve stress.

>>12418517
there's a slight difference between some intake/exhausts pipes with quirky shapes and printing a whole fucking engine >>12417889
like this anon suggested

>>12417588
I like it, kys faggot

>>12417984
It still is bro

>>12417588
Henceforth known as 'The puking dragon patch'

>>12418574
It's not space frog eating the ISS tier, that's for sure

Mars rover design revealed.

>>12417305
>>12417430
as a rabbit owner, i enjoy the hop memes

>>12418533
>Russia invented inflatable modules half a century before the Americans.

>>12418544
Looks like pic related

>>12418648
You will be spared on day of the hop, if only you take up arms against your brothers.

>Meanwhile, SpaceX has also lowered Starship SN8’s apogee target to 12.5 km (7.8 mi) from 15 km, itself a reduction from 20 km made earlier this year. Why is entirely unclear but it’s likely that the company is in active discussion (and probably arguments) with the FAA, perhaps requiring a compromise to ensure regulatory approval.

faa mogging spacex af

>>12418764
Don't badmouth the outstanding patriots working on the FAA

>>12418764
lmao what is this absolute cope speculation?
>it must be the FAA guys
>spacex would never decrease their overambitious scope on their own
>the FAA is forcing them to do this
>they're not pussies or anything

>>12418764
This is why China is winning. Think of the risks 1960s NASA went through to deliver Saturn v, the bureaucracy is now teetering on incompetence.

>>12418786
>the bureaucracy is now teetering on incompetence
it's a feature, not a bug

>>12417418
>apollo
And icbm/tactical missile design philosophies. It's no wonder the first company that wasn't centered around making those actually broke new ground, or barges in some cases.

>>12417674
You don't even need to boot it out. An earth diameter solar shade (coincidentally what you need to fix Venus) at the right place will solidify the atmosphere in a decade in the worst case scenario and probably much faster in reality.

Fuck FAA, SpaceX should consider launching Starship from Mexico, it isn't too late.

>>12417878
>>12417880
Nooooo! Not the hecking telescoperino!
Not the freakin peaker! Not the sciency wiency instrument!
How could Elon Musk do this to astronomy?

We cant even think about space until we get this pandemic under control

>>12418871
Your jokes used to be funny.
Your jokes are no longer funny.

>>12418856
Alaska and Hawaii are pretty much uninhabited.

>>12418907
And are incompatible with productivity.

>>12417672
I don't think there's even payloads being developed for Starship except maybe larger Starlink payloads.

>>12417672
I will volunteer to dig the ice

>>12417672
Large long lived probes are one big thing it can do, mega telescopes are another although of course they may take a long time to develop (hopefully sunshade telescopes and composite optic telescopes will outpace the launches of increasingly complicated single-optic scopes like Hubble and JWST). Very large space stations can also be done using Starship.

For fucks sake, the FAA forced the hop to be 12.5 kilometers, won't that make it not gather nearly as much useful data to SpaceX?

>>12418306
>>12418555
High end car manufacturers have been 3D printing entire complex parts of engines for easily over a decade. I've seen whole turbochargers printed and used on engines with great success.
I'm not too sure about the block, crank, pistons and rods, because those do go under a ton of stress. But any technology you can purchase for personal use it way behind anything being used by large companies.
3D printing has been around a very, very long time.

>>12418544
Not gonna lie, that looks comfy.

>>12418973
Where does it say that

>>12418779
You... you do realize the FAA has constantly declined approval for the 20k hop... right?

I had a dream Elon was saying they're just going to skip the 15km hop and go straight to orbit, and they might as well bring a bunch of Starlink sattelites as well. Then they decided to just do an orbit around the Moon with Starship.

FAA forced me to masturbate. WTF

I've been having many dreams of Starship breaking apart about 20 seconds into flight, somewhere around the nosecone.
Funny thing is, I've been away from this general for about two months now. Having back to back dreams of Starship prompted me to come back.

>>12418973
The primary goal of the test is the belly flop, not altitude. They'll still get the most important data - is the thing actually stable when sky diving and can it flip back to land.
Though I'll suspect FAA sabotage if they keep dropping and dropping the altitude.

>>12419021
>you will never fall asleep using Judy's paws as pillows
Space bunny gfs when?

>>12419203
>you will never fall asleep while huffing Judys paw pads

国家航天局公布嫦娥五号月表国旗展示照片

>>12418973

Source for this?

>>12419203
>>12419221
>ywn have the satisfaction of spacing furries
Gas is fine, but I dream higher.

>>12418993
>>12418973
don't people go to texas to avoid regulations? Sorry for the dumb question not well versed in gov bullshit.

>>12418993
source? Or at least the site that has this info? Guessing NSF

>>12418871
Consider this: The moon or Mars would be the ultimate quarantine site

Hayabusa2 re-entry capsule will return to Earth on December 6, 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hexvd8OV28A

>>12419263
Hayabusa's reentry was amazing: https://youtu.be/gfYA4f-AIL0

>>12419232
They built their spaceport inside of a nature preserve and just down the road from a major regional airport.

>>12418982
Yeah, but that's not entire rocket engines, though. It's obviously a matter of 'when' and not 'if', but when someone from industry like >>12418306 says it isn't quite there yet, then you should believe him.

>>12419256
in fact, that was one of the whole motivations behind SpaceX. Elon thought there were many existential threats to life on Earth, and wanted to establish a backup site, during this rare phase in history where we have both the technical expertise and the means.

>>12419272
Cool video

>>12419228
furry haters always turn into furries sooner or later.

>>12419301
Maybe some people just find your 'kind' gross.

>>12419226
CHINA WILL GLOW LALGEL

>>12419286
>when some random person on the internet claims to be an expert and makes anecdotes, you should believe him.
k.

>>12418779
>>they're not pussies or anything
As if the difference between launching 12500 meters up rather than 15000 meters actually matters

>>12419310
Not him, but this sums up most people who talk about furries all the time.

>>12419336
>furries bring up furry shit
>respond negatively
>"wow you must be a closet furry"
Just keep your fetish in your pants and don't whip it out inappropriate places like /sci/.

>>12419331
What's 0.0025 Megameters between friends?

>>12419232
Texas is still in the US, at least so far. The FAA isn't a state thing.
>>12419284
Guess what, most of Cape Canaveral is a nature preserve too.

Very high resolution pic from the Chang'e 5.
Original is 24M, http://clep.org.cn/n112/n117/c6810753/part/6785490.jpg

>>12419363
Somehow I thought the moon was bigger

>>12418845
Just a decade? I dunno dude, I'd have to look at the calculations.
I'd believe ten years if the guy who did the math did it by taking the current rate of thermal emission into space and assumed that rate of radiation with zero input from the Sun, zero heat of formation as the CO2 condensed and froze, and zero consideration of the fact that the entire surface of Venus is a gigantic basalt thermal battery. However, all those effects are real, and also things cool down exponentially more slowly the colder they get.

>>12419363
> The last lunar sample return mission was in 1976
Humanity is so fucking lame

>>12419363
bruh how can that be the moon. It looks small as fuck.

>>12419367
China messed up trying to land on the Mun and ended up on Gilly

>>12418951
The point of Starship is that developing spacecraft for it is cheap and easy because your mass cap is huge and your launch cost is tiny, so even if your satellite v 1.0 fails you can easily afford to launch another.

>>12419128
You're here forever anon, even if you manage to leave you'll come back. Just like a battered wife.

>>12419317
>china wirr gro rarger

>>12419370
Different anon, but this peaked my ‘tism. Could you possibly deploy a constellation of smaller sunshield-sats to a lagrange point? I’m thinking you could just deploy an army of them, and they could all individually deploy sunshields like pic related from Medina

>>12417305
Why are there so many rabbits on the moon?
Are they why whitey went to the moon?
>>12417433
For your safety.

>>12419399
sure, but they would act as solar sails and fly away

>>12419399
The only practical way to put a sunshade between Venus and the Sun would be to use a swarm of reflective satellites at the Sun-Venus L1 point, so yes. Rather than a single monolithic shade, which would be ripped apart by tidal forces, you'd use a swarm/cloud of objects kilometers wide, and with significant overlap between each other's edges.
Also, you wouldn't keep this swarm precisely at the L1 point, you'd actually keep it slightly closer to the Sun, and use photon radiation pressure to keep the mirrors in place over time.

>>12419420
Nah, you just place them at a point where the photon pressure is counterbalanced by gravitational acceleration towards the Sun.

>>12419420
>>12419421
Hmm how could you go about avoiding a solar sail problem? Would legrange point physics not keep it in place?

>>12419347
>just jealous he will never wake up to a purring furry catgirl in his arms

>>12419437
>>>/trash/
go away

>>12419437
Gimme a '1' on that old chart, '2' and up is furnace fuel.

>>12419399
Medina is so pretty

>>12419021
>>12419203
>>12419221
>no moon bunny gf
>>12419347
This.

>hobbies/interests conversation happens leading to space talk with friends or family
>reasons for space colonization

2019:
>humanity doesn't need Mars for survival anon global epidemics/wars/disasters happen only in the movies medicine is super advanced today!
2020:
>humanity doesn't need Mars for survival anon we need a vaccine for the global epidemic that is threatening to kill us all!

I give up.

>>12419456
Reasoning with people is a meme, the only true reason is force.

>>12419456
Unfortunately, most people are apathetic about spaceflight

>>12419221
Bunnies don't have paw pads.
>>12419420
>turn on satellite array
>it flies away

>>12419456
You've already lost if you are using the "humanity backup" argument, because it's a really silly one.

Instead, you should focus on the technological/sustainability advances that would be created as a result of attempted mars colonization. Normalfags are much more accepting of this, because you can point to things they use or could use in real life on earth. Make it more "real" for them.

>>12419370
Not that anon but some googling revealed pdf about terraforming Venus with something like that
>https://www.orionsarm.com/fm_store/TerraformingVenusQuickly.pdf
it estimates ~ 100 to 200 years to to liquefy and freeze it to 1atm but it seems to involve a lot of co2 precipitation cycles. Earth's atmospheric composition is vastly different and a lot thinner so it should definitely take a lot less time.

>>12419474
Also bring up mining rare earth metals from space to be more independent from China's supply.

>>12419474
I've tried the tech route nobody gives a shit because tech advancement = iphone models and apps. Technology is simply taken for granted.

>>12419420
>>12419430
>>12419433
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statite

>>12419433
At the lagrange point, gravity is balanced. Move closer to the Sun, and gravity pulling you towards the Sun begins to get stronger. Since your reflective satellites are acting like solar sails, all you need to do is place them far enough towards the Sun relative to the L1 point that the pull towards the Sun is counterbalanced by photon pressure that's trying to push the satellites away from the Sun.

This would also be unstable in the case of a single sunshade, but with a swarm you can set it up so that the shades are all in a halo orbit just behind the actual balance point, such that passing behind the swarm and into the dark causes the shades to accelerate towards the Sun, and coming back out into the light causes the shades to accelerate back towards Venus. This arrangement should be stable enough to only require small amounts of active management, which would probably be done using heavy laser arrays to apply little pushes to the sunshades now and then.

>>12419487
>tech advancement = iphone models and apps
No offense, but that's on you for not knowing there's much more then new iphones.
>https://spinoff.nasa.gov/spinoff/brochures
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_research_on_the_International_Space_Station

>>12419481
>Earth's atmospheric composition is vastly different and a lot thinner so it should definitely take a lot less time.
What? You're saying it should take a lot less time to cool off Venus' 90 bars of carbon dioxide atmosphere compared to Earth's 1 bar of mostly nitrogen atmosphere?

>>12419488
Actually these would be lagites, not statites. A statite can hover stationary above the Sun due to photon pressure alone, a lagite can remain in a circular orbit at a lower velocity than a normal object at that distance due to a counterbalance of photon pressure. Technically, any object in orbit of a luminous body is a lagite, since all objects absorb and/or reflect light, which will transfer momentum.

>>12419390
No.

>>12419509
What if we remove the atmosphere?

>>12419501
>>12419488
Would it be retarded (and not worth the effort) to put another constellation around LVO that reflects sunlight to the back side of the sunshields? You could put them in a polar orbit

>>12419538
Yeah it would be retarded, because if you have sunshades blocking light from reaching Venus, how are you going to reflect light from low Venus orbit to Venus L1

>>12417435
>Welcome to Larry Town

>>12419535
That's what we want to use the sunshades for, freeze the atmosphere so that we can use electromagnetic rails to launch giant CO2 iceburgs onto Venus escape trajectories from the surface.

>>12419535
Speaking of- anyone got the pic of Uranus and/or Neptune's solid core that's only slightly larger than Earth?

>>12419560
>only slightly larger than Earth
Significantly wider, and much denser. Even if we could remove all the excess gasses and liquids from Neptune/Uranus, the cores that would be leftover would have ~2g of gravity and would be unsuitable for human life for a number of reasons.

>>12419487
You're not going to convince them at all. The average person sees spaceflight the same way they see a niche nerdy movie. What should be done is a greater focus on wider scale applications rather than scientific study, colonization, or random spinoff technology that one out of twenty people may unknowingly interact with. Applications such as: mining, satellite service, or manufacturing.

>>12419474
That’s all bullshit, and the opinion of randos is completely irrelevant to the topic anyway

Some people want to expand and explore, and expanding into outer space is cool. That’s it. Full stop. Nothing more to it

>>12419581
>the cores that would be leftover would have ~2g of gravity

We can survive that.

> and would be unsuitable for human life for a number of reasons.

Such as?

>>12419581
>the excess gasses and liquids from uranus
lol pee pee poo poo

>>12419587
Haven’t you heard? The Jews want to take away the space

>>12419598
Yeah uh-huh we’re not having that retarded argument again

>>12419591
Different anon but I would assume it would just be a giant spherical ball made of metal. Not really hazardous, just kind of useless. What's the composition of outer planet cores? Iron-rich? That might suck up all of our oxygen assuming we could give it an atmosphere

>>12419600
Cause its true.

>>12419583
The fact that civilizations become decadent over time is painfully apparent. China skirts around the problem by having regular “resets” thanks to the concept of the Mandate of Heaven

>>12419606
Yep totally there’s a big satanic Jew cult in R’lyeh at the bottom of the ocean where evil Semite aliens plot to take away da space

>>12419587
>That’s all bullshit
Got a source? I know you're wrong, but I'm curious where you go that opinion from. Space has been the main driver of innovation for the last 60 years.

>>12419610
>China skirts around the problem by having regular “resets” thanks to the concept of the Mandate of Heaven
>get taken over when your state/empire degenerates just like everyone else
>put a label on it
>it's special now

>>12419591
>Such as?
High gravity, super high internal temperatures, isostatic rebounding and sheeeit, it would just generally be very unstable and extremely unpleasant to live on the naked core of an ice giant, plus by the time we could actually accomplish a feat like that we would definitely have dyson swarm levels of orbital habitats and a strong desire to disassemble those planets the rest of the way.

>>12419617
>Got a source?

People who are disinterested in space travel don’t give a shit if it has some spinoff technological developments. It’s just a fun factoid they might read once.

>>12419619
Isostatic rebounding is based

>>12419581
Well I know one of them showed that it was only about 10% larger at most.

>>12419605
>What's the composition of outer planet cores? Iron-rich?
Iron and silica rich minerals that only form and only stay stable under extreme conditions. Sometimes they aren't actually a classic core like you'd expect; Jupiter doesn't have a dense 8 Earth mass core like we used to think, instead it has a much larger diffuse core where heavy elements like iron are kept mixed with large amounts of metallic liquid hydrogen by massive convection currents.

>>12419619
>High gravity

Literally just turns people into fantasy dwarf chads.

>super high internal temperatures

It’d cool down as the atmosphere is stripped. The hydrogen can be fused and used to make an atmosphere of nitrogen and oxygen if desired, but I’d personally prefer to do some wacky xenoengineering and have people that breath fluorine or something.

> isostatic rebounding and sheeeit

Let it stabilize first

> plus by the time we could actually accomplish a feat like that we would definitely have dyson swarm levels of orbital habitats and a strong desire to disassemble those planets the rest of the way.

Boring.

>>12419635
>Iron and silica rich minerals that only form and only stay stable under extreme conditions

Every geologychad just ejaculated

>>12419646
Earth has the same thing. Olivine does wacky shit in the mantle, idk much about the mineralogy of earth’s cores though other than it’s makeup of iron and nickel

>>12419633
10% larger but higher density, think about how Mercury is ~1900 km less wide than Mars, but they both have the same surface gravity because of Mercury having a higher density. A planet 10% wider than Earth with 150% the density would have a surface gravity way higher than Earth, easily. 2g is probably an underestimate.

>>12419469

>>12419654
Shit.
Guess we actually should strip-mine it like mad.

>>12419641
You're talking a lot of bullshit for a sweaty biped.
If you really want to imagine designing entirely new biochemical systems and stuff you may as well imagine you got a head start by going on an interstellar trip thousands of light years away to find an interesting natural planet to work with, because it's gonna take that long to get even 10% of Neptune or Uranus' mass stripped off anyway.

>>12419652
Neat fact, convection in the core of Earth is not driven by heat, it's driven by the precipitation of iron from molten iron sulfide at the inner core to outer core boundary. This precipitation causes lower density sulfur to build up next to the inner core, which rises up in plumes to drive convection currents. This precipitation also releases a bit of heat, which combined with radionuclide decay keeps the core hot enough to easily convect.
The mantle is where we see thermal convection taking place, over much longer time scales. The mantle itself is also stratified into density layers based on water content, but this stratification is not completely uniform or permanent, and local upwellings of lower mantle material or downwellings of upper mantle material or even sunken oceanic crust can and do have noticeable effects on the crust, and therefore on what we see at the surface.

>flight delayed again
Living in Spain but the S is silent

>>12419661
To even get the core exposed in the first place would require thousands of years of strip-mining like mad, so I'd agree with you.

>>12419600
Good. Nice digits

>>12419625
This is usually because they think it's things like velcro or something lame. If you show them things like satellites reducing farming water usages by 50%, or NASa sensor tech being used in surgery robots they become much more interested.

>>12419677
I live in spain but the a is silent

>>12419684
I just act like a total doomer about asteroids and show them that little asteroid that blew up above Russia a few years ago.

>>12419685
I live in spain but the pa is silent

>>12419685
imagine the gains from working out in a 2g spinhab

>>12417725
I've seen one of their videos and it was sponsored by Bill Gates. That alone should be enough to consider the channel propaganda.

>>12419696
Pretty sure it's funded primarily by the German government.

>>12417878
>>12417880
Why is this so satisfying?

I hate the gatekeepers at /r/spacex. They are so serious. Even Musk would be banned.

>>12419716
Gatekeeping is literally the only thing preventing communities from turning into complete shit. If you feel like you are being excluded by gatekeepers it's because you need to lurk moar.

>>12419693
>2g
All the space stacies are gonna laugh at you dude

>>12419716
>admitting you go on reddit
bruh
also spacexlounge is where all the interesting shit is, spacex is just for launch scedules and official news

>>12419725
>not training under neutron star gravity
it's like you don't even want to be able to accelerate your body mass at 10^12 Gs

>>12419737
>neutron stars typically have >10^12 times Earth's gravity at their surface
Holy fuck, 9,800,000,000,000 m/s^2 how is this possible without breaking physics

>>12419740
They’re close to becoming black holes so it’s only just possible

>>12419740
Fun fact, most neutron stars have an atmosphere, which is 5 millimeters thick

>>12419740
They've already broken physics by crushing atoms into their constituent parts

Remember, the nucleus in an atom is infinitesimally small and the electron is literally a one dimensional point. Think of a fly flying though a stadium, that's roughly what the size of a nuclear is relative to an atom.

A neutron star has such high gravity that the structure of the atom itself breaks down and it's nothing but those little flies packed next to each other.

>>12419747
Sounds like a perfect place to terraform

>>12419766

>>12419766
>>12419768
*ominous hum*

>>12419766
Cute Raptor eggs

>>12419757
jesus, no matter a teaspoon of the stuff weighs a mountain (within its gravitational influence)

>>12419766
LEAKED PHOTO OF GIANT EGGS SECRET GOVERNMENT PROJECT

>>12419465
what a beautiful view

I didn't realize Australia had a space operations center. I guess it makes sense, I just never put 2 and 2 together. The Woomera Range Complex will be tracking the arrival of the Japanese Hayabusa asteroid sample return.

>>12419766
>>12419768
Glad to see that the shipment of giant space nipples is safe

>>12419474
>Make it more "real" for them.
Makes me wonder if there is some correlation between ability to think abstractly and support and enthusiasm for spaceflight and space travel/colonization

>>12419716
Did you get banned for calling someone a nigger?

>>12419787
Yes, and now extrapolate that to the "whitey on the moon" meme.

>>12419614
Thats you overexaggerating the situation. not me

>>12419693
actually, that would be another business idea
any sky chad athlete training on Gainstation 13 automatically wins all olympics and championships held with laughable Earth dwelling weaklings training at pathetic 1G

>>12419723
Well sure but r/spacex is cringe so their gatekeeping is cringe.

>>12419766
>>12419768
You have to set up ALL the eggs.

>>12419716
Go back.

>>12419766
>set up nine starlink antennae
>get 1.35 GB/s download speed

so uh
how do you pronounce Michoud?

>>12419888
me shoe

>>12419774
>jesus, no matter a teaspoon of the stuff weighs a mountain (within its gravitational influence)
A teaspoon of neutron star matter in earth gravity would weigh as much as a mountain. On a neutron star, a teaspoon of neutron star matter weighs far more, in fact a trillion times more. Remember, weight force is a product of mass and gravitational acceleration. The mass stays the same in both cases, but the gravitational acceleration goes up by ~10^12 times.

>>12419888
me chode

>>12419888
Charlie Bolden can help out with that
https://vimeo.com/100280288
0:52

>>12419915
>A teaspoon of neutron star matter in earth gravity would weigh as much as a mountain

How much until it surpasses the mass of the Earth itself, and the Sun, and the entire solar system?

A cup?

>>12419888
"shit-show"

>>12419888
me-schood

>>12419888
Your•anus

>>12419922
Wiki says their matter has a density of 3.7×10^17 to 5.9×10^17 kg/m3.

>>12419888
What you see is what you get.

I've seen it down in Me-should. Starship may come about someday. SLS is real. We have the engine, the boosters, the tanks, the funding, the nasa engineers, etc. Rocketry is HARD.

>>12419922
A neutron star is about three times the size of its own Schwarzschild radius. Earth has a schwartzchild radius of about 1cm. Therefore a sphere of neutron star matter ~6cm across (3cm in radius) should be roughly equivalent to the Earth in mass, IF you naively assumed that a black hole's density to mass ratio is linear (ie twice the mass, twice the volume). This is not the case, which is good, because otherwise with that density a typical neutron star with a 20 km diameter would have a mass of 2.96 x 10^17 Earths, and would out-mass all the non-dark-matter mass in the galaxy. Obviously this can't be true, which is where the fact that the density of a black hole's event horizon volume is inversely proportional to its mass comes into play.

Doing the math a different way, Earth has a total mass of about 6x10^24 kg, and neutron star matter has a density of ~10^17 kg/m^3. Therefore, you'd need 60 million cubic meters of neutron star to have an Earth's mass of material, which is a sphere ~486 meters across. This makes a lot more sense, because if you mashed ~333,000 of these Earth-mass spheres together, equivalent to the mass of the Sun, you'd have a sphere with a radius of ~17 km, which lines up pretty well with a lower mass neutron star (they shrink as they get more massive, crushing themselves more under their own gravity).

>>12419958
>We have the engine, the boosters, the tanks, the funding, the nasa engineers, etc.
Every one of those things is a drawback, lmao. Even the funding; encourages bloat

>>12417880
why were they drone filming exactly then?
Did they know it was about to collapse?

>>12419888
I've seen it pronounced "me-choo" in old NASA videos.

>>12420000
Cable broke early on, multiple cables. Drone footage is to monitor the structural integrity of the dish itself since no one was allowed on premise since the cables broke.

>>12417878
>>12417880
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iRN62IebC04
Looks like the timer reached half way on their conquest match.

>>12420014
aight, thanks

>>12420015
It’s from bf4 and it happens when you go around and destroy every cable on the map. Funny enough though it takes place in the war of 2020

>>12420024
Lel

>>12417878
>>12417880
If you want the original full size video this is a direct link. There is a download button at the bottom bar once you start playing the video.
https://players.brightcove.net/679256133001/EkLWnGuil_default/index.html?videoId=6213883083001

>>12419716
>announcing your redditor status
Jimmys status: rustled

>>12419964
>Therefore a sphere of neutron star matter ~6cm across (3cm in radius) should be roughly equivalent to the Earth in mass
geezus

>>12419766
egg!

NEW TFR BOIS

and delta heavy finally has a launch date. Was supposed to launch back in august

>>12420098
Hoppening!

>>12420107

>>12420098
it's been delayed
source: i'm from Q2 2021

>>12418466
This. And the pressure wouldn't even be that bad due to low gravity.

>>12419437
>furry catgirl
>not an obvious plebbit tranny that somehow managed to land a job at NASA thanks to affirmative action and diversity quotas
>>12419456
Normalfags are afraid of facing the truth of the universe.
>>12419465
This. Most people only cried about Opportunity because the media told them to. No one ever seemed to care about Spirit when it jobbed to some loose debris and got stuck.

Are there any other space-related streams that run 24/7 like NSF and LP?

>>12420107
RESULTS over RHETORIC

>>12420129
Why would there be, there is nothing to see anywhere else.

>>12420107
How many times has this been delayed?

>>12420098
LETS FUCKING HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

>>12420098
road closed on sunday, you're my chick fil a

>>12419888
NEET-shay

>>12420142
Delayed from June and Aug. 26. Scrubbed on Aug. 27 by pneumatics issue. Aborted at T-minus 3 seconds on Aug. 29. Delayed from Sept. 26 by swing arm issue. Scrubbed on Sept. 28 due to weather. Scrubbed on Sept. 29 due to hydraulic leak on Mobile Service Tower retract system. Aborted on Sept. 30 at T-minus 7 seconds. Delayed from Oct. 15 and Oct. 23.

>>12420137
How about that SLS that's totally around the corner?

Bobendoug's booster getting used for a CRS mission tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1334502622649192448

>>12420128
You can always spot the NPC because they can only talk in memes

Cargo Dragon 2 is uncanny valley with its two fins and lack of SuperDracos

>>12419021
I want Judy to hop into my bed

>>12420098
>UNL
is there any source for that 12.5km or 15km limit?

>>12420170
Looking a bit thicc there dragon. Stocking up for the winter I see.

>>12420170
Did they take out the dracos/tanks for more cargo space?

>>12419363
>gold foil
>baby LM lander legs
are the chinese physically incapable of having an original idea?

>>12417305
I want to ____ the moon bunny

>>12420129
>>12420137
With spaceflight booming like it is, I'm actually surprised that there aren't more 24 hour space channels. Maybe it's not the worth effort yet?

>>12420179
>tfw no thicc mommy dragon gf

>>12420170
Penis

>>12419465
The average person, especially in the United States, has far too high of a time preference to properly value space flight, interplanetary exploration, etc. They are also decadent to the point of actively sabotaging their children's future just to get a few dopamine hits.

If there ever was a year to convince you that democracy was a mistake, it was 2020.

>>12420216
>t. someone who gets all of thier news from 4chan
People like you know the least amount about the real world and are the most confident that they know everything.

>>12420216
Imagine playing into jewish hands this easily. The absolute state of conservatives in the 21st century.

>>12420201
Who would pay for it? Stream channels depend on paypigs (who tend to be soi/rebbit/IFLS types), and there's only so many of them. Big SIC companies could "sponsor" it, running ads that wouldn't reach anyone with the money or influence to make them work as advertising. LEGO could advertise a space kit every now and then, and... that's about it.
>>12420098
I hope it's not Sunday, the window starts at 6PM, which is almost sunset. The flight would be a lot less kino if it's not in daytime.

>>12420235
>Who would pay for it?
Why not a regular space YT channel? If they're already making decent money from uploading videos then a 24 hour stream might be the next logical step. Errday already does livestreams.

>>12419465
if you make it boring and lame, yeah. Normies fucking LOVE SpaceX launches though because they're exciting.

Do cool shit and the normies will flock to you.

>>12420177
everyone "in the know" is saying the same thing. Take that s you will. But knowing SpaceX shit can change on a dime

>>12420248
I don't see it. Maybe you have too many dicks on the brain

>>12420248
you are obsessed
quit porn you faggot

>>12420230
Were you just not paying attention to the absolute 1984 tier narrative shift that happened back in late february and early march? Do you have memory loss like the rest of America?
One day i wake up and i'm getting called a nazi who hates asians for talking about coronavirus, two days later i'm getting called a democrat chinese communist agent who's just trying to hurt le ebin orange man's reelection chances. Then magically after the federal unemployment stimulus runs out, people start pretending wearing a mask is vital to the survival of the human race even though 3 months earlier they were saying wearing a mask didn't help hardly at all.
The media manipulates people so easily. If you can't see that, you're blind.

>>12420201
I don't think there would be enough viewers to justify something like that
maybe something like >>12420241 said on youtube, but even then, nasa has nasa tv on youtube and its viewership isn't that high
if there is a live channel put together, it'd be neat to have actual remastered and interpolated footage from the apollo days like on dutch steam machine's channel

>>12420248
You're homo. Check with your eye doctor.

>>12420248
Are you Australian?

>>12420318

>>12420181
no need for a launch escape for an unmanned vehicle.

>>12420340
>unmanned
*uncrewed

>>12420349
unmanned

>>12420349
Unman.

>>12420349
no men on board and no f*male bio-cargo either

>actually calling it "manned" spaceflight in 2020

>>12420349
men can be used as guinneapigs

>>12420091
Yeah but if you read the rest of my post you'll see that I found the real answer to be a sphere ~486 meters across, decidedly bigger.

>>12420349
based

>>12420358
>Giving a fuck about "gendered language" in any year

>>12420349
I support Crewed spaceflight. That is, Terry Crews manning a spacecraft.

>>12420349
undilated

I believe that any exoplanets with actual active biospheres would be extremely toxic to the extent of requiring sealed environmental suits due to incompatible biochemistry and pathogens. Is this dumb?

>>12420445

>>12420445
I would tend to agree

how do astronauts keep warm in space during winter?

>>12420456
they put the station on the sunny side so theres no winter

>>12420456
A steady supply of hand-warmers, delivered by Cargo Dragon.

>>12420456
They go during the day

>>12420456
they pack a sweater

>>12420456
they roast chestnuts on an open rocket fire

>>12420456
the orbit of the iss is adjusted so that they are always on the summer side

>>12420456
Anal sex, hot sweaty anal sex, so both sex can participate

How long has SN8 been on the stand? It feels like months.

>>12420445
anywhere we go is going to cause more issues for our bodies than the earth does, especially when we're using "is my body still capable of functioning on earth normally after living on this fucking planet" as a control

>>12420529
gonna be a lot longer, NET April

sounds like they're trying to eliminate variables and focus on a few things at a time. Also with this more conservative approach SN8 might actually survive.

>>12420529
Over a month, they mounted the nose cone after the thing was already on the pad and had done a static fire.

>>12420544
SpaceX are total pussies holy shit

> STS-88 was the first Space Shuttle mission to the International Space Station (ISS). It was flown by Space Shuttle Endeavour, and took the first American module, the Unity node, to the station.
>Launch Date: 4 December 1998, 08:35:34 UTC
22 years my niggas

Fuck, I can’t wait for SN8 to do it’s 3km hop in 2024!

>>12420547
>>12420547
Worth noting that since SN9 already has its nosecone it shouldn't take nearly as long to fly, regardless of what happens to, SN8.

>>12420544
If it crashes, none of it will be worth it. SN9 seems to be almost done anyway.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/let-s-colonize-titan?utm_source=pocket-newtab
>ywn fly with your own wings on titan

>>12420544
As expected, the winds get stupid fucking high at higher altitude.

>>12420622
Not necessarily, if it fails they will know what went wrong. It will probably be retired after this hop anyway.

>>12420544
Fuck you Aeolus!

>>12420661
You're not wrong, but they want as much data as they can. If it flies up to 15k and gets slapped around so badly it just tumbles into the ocean, they won't get any decent "belly flop" reentry data.
However, if flight is successful and it can test out its flaps in a controlled manner on the way down, that's great data to apply towards SN9.
Greater strides in success and improvement.

>>12420705
As long as they get to the stage of the flight where the raptor relight happens it probably counts as a success for them.

>>12420544
just hop and see what happens, where is the iterative spirit?

>>12420657
apparently boca chica is pretty bad when it comes to winds

>>12420757
>iterative spirit
what do you mean?

Even if the material science allows for them on Earth, would space elevators ever be a thing?

>>12420804
You would need a massive low cost launch and orbital construction infrastructure just to build it, which would easily obsolete the elevator itself on the way there.

>>12420804
probably not. I think the only real place a space elevator would work would be pluto/charon, since you can anchor both ends.

>>12420829
That’d be fucking weird; a tower that you go into and can travel through to reach a whole other planet.

>>12420814
>You would need a massive low cost launch and orbital construction infrastructure just to build it
Would that be rockets as we know it just bigger?

Does it snow on mars?

>>12420916
Yeah. Starship would actually be cheaper than a space elevator if it hit its design goals anyway, that's not going to happen but neither would the first sky elevator reach theoretical best case numbers either. Down the line, larger more mature fully reusable rockets will be even better.

>>12420573
>be /sfg/
>ignore the anniversary of the thing actually flying through space
ceramics

Looking like an attempt on Sunday

>>12421013
There's no snow without rain

a good omen?

>>12421062
hophophop

>>12421045
We are actively trying to wipe the shittle from our memories.

>>12421045
/sfg/ liked it more when it was called the Freedom Station

>>12421068
K

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N

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>>12421067
how do the martian ice caps form then?

>>12421068

>>12421013
Yes, I have no idea what >>12421067 is talking about

>>12421068
Based

>>12421107
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublimation_(phase_transition)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deposition_(phase_transition)

>>12421068

>>12421122
now that's just creepy

>>12421122
bros..?

>>12421122
War of the Worlds shit

>>12421134
#wearethevirus

>>12421068
Dude that starship is tiny.

>>12421013
Yes
>>12421125
it actually does snow on mars

>>12421089
Not on my watch.

>>12418856
ITAR means they'd all be in jail simply for openly discussing it with the Mexicans.

>>12421068
is.. is that CIA standing in front of the light?

>>12421179

>>12420804
what about one on mars?

>>12421089
Got into space 25 times
How about you?

>>12421255
Killed zero people

>>12421255
Haven't killed anyone, haven't embezzled billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars, haven't cucked spaceflight technology development for half a century.

>>12421171
Sea launches won't need FAA permits if they're in international waters, right?

>>12421284
Who else could have fixed the hubble?

>>12421261
>people in charge ignoring the issue at hand on purpose, and forcing the mission to proceed, was totally the program's fault
>>12421284
SLS only exists since 2011, give it time

>>12421261
>>12421284

>Elon Musk sends you on a mission to investigate the indigenous aliens on a newly discovered planet
>Land and explore the local fauna
>See pic related
>She hasn't spotted you yet
What do you do?

>>12421332
you see, /sfg/ doesn't actually care about things that fly through space

>>12421356
Pics like this would've been the stuff of scifi in the early space age. Nobody cares though nowadays.

migrate >>12421371

>>12421332
What does /sfg/ think of using Dragon to service it? A Falcon launches something akin to the ISS Quest airlock, which then docks with a Dragon and proceeds to the HST.

>>12417778
>>12417869
>>12417979
Or you could have the colder fluid on the outer layer and the warmer fluid on the inner layer, to take advantage of the thermal gradient that would occur anyway.