/sci/ - Science & Math

First for starship will reach orbit before SLS

Second for Jeff Bezos (Zero tons to LEO).

>>12413382
Second for New Glenn will reach orbit before Starship

Fourth for SSTO soon.

>>12413375
>ecorocket
What's the fuel source, compressed vegans?

>>12413403
Greta's tears.

>>12413375
What are some good books for learning about space flight and engineering?

>>12413413
Fundamentals of Astrodynamics (rip discord)
Rocket Propulsion Elements

according to NSF they're currently putting a bunch of propellant into the ship. They usually only put in the bare minimum.

>>12413413
pic related and http://risacher.org/rocket/

>>12413420
are we brapping tonight? Double braaap?

snate is looking pretty active

>>12413420
>>12413416
Thanks

>>12413427
not sure. >>12413431 is right though shit's really active rn. SpaceX has done last-minute static fires before

>>12413420
They're likely testing full load test for the 15km's flight. 15km will have much more fuel than normal few secs of static fire.

Daily Reminder:
Humanity will never expand beyond our solar system
FTL travel is fantasy
Terraforming is fantasy
"O Neal" cylinders and other megastructures are fantasy that will never be built

At most you will get some "research outpost" on Mars, maybe eventually Titan but that is it.

You are stuck here in the Solar System :)

>>12413449
Ok doomer

>>12413449
And?

>>12413455
That launch was so kino, perfectly clear

>>12413449
OK loser. I'm gonna go do coke and have sex in space.

>>12413461
All the mankind must

Today is the day SN8 blows up

>>12413449
>O Neal" cylinders and other megastructures are fantasy that will never be built
most of your post is true, but this might not be.

>>12413440

>>12413465
Yeah, I'm getting SN1-SN3 flashbacks

>>12413449
they hated him, for he told the truth

People who reply to trolls should get banned just like the troll.

>>12413465
I thought it blew up just now

>>12413474
Trolling is fine if it's spaceflight related

>>12413474
I'm replying to a troll right now

>>12413477
yeah what was that? did it farted or sneezed?

>>12413481
I thought it was a high-volume detanking because it's more filled, but it's not doing it anymore.

>>12413489
>abnormal behavior
o shit o fuk

>>12413489
I had a high-volume detanking after my morning coffee today.

>>12413470

>>12413455
that rocket is very cool but how does it disprove the point? it might support a cool Mars outpost but that will be it.

I wonder if they will simulate the exact time between engine cutoff at 15km and landing burn

>>12413502
are you only capable of following one step of logical reasoning at a time? lmao

>>12413502
That rocket was designed and built by people who had the exact opposite perspective of that anon. If they shared the same downer and defeatist view, then that rocket and the positive impact it had on the industry would never have happened.

>>12413512
Thats fine but how does their engineering skill explain how you are going to change the laws of physics? We are never going to be an interstellar species, regardless of how many neat ways we invent to reach LEO.

>>12413512
but how is he wrong?

>>12413514
>We are never going to be an interstellar species

But apparently we’re going to invent time machines. Can you show a picture of yours? Must be using wormholes or something like that.

>>12413514
You don't need to have FTL to be interstellar, you just have to stop being mortal.

>>12413514
>Thats fine but how does their engineering skill explain how you are going to change the laws of physics?

>expanding beyond the solar system
An issue of engineering that's not impossible due to physics.
>FTL
The only thing on that list that may be impossible due to physics.
>terraforming
Depending on the scope, an issue of engineering that's not impossible due to physics.
>O'Neill cylinders
An issue of engineering that's not impossible due to physics.
>megastructures
Some are ridiculous, but some only have issues in engineering and aren't impossible due to physics.
>planetary colonization
An issue of engineering that's not impossible due to physics.

It's clear that the anon who made that list is a pessimistic downer. Pessimism doesn't solve engineering issues.

>>12413449
>You are stuck here in the Solar System
There's plenty of cool shit to explore here to keep us occupied for millennia. All those icy planetoids in the outer solar system are practically begging to be colonized.

>>12413512
it's ok to admit that science fiction is just that- fiction. we can build bigger stuff in space and we should be ambitious, but all that crazy stuff is just total time wasting pseudointellectual popsci rubbish

>>12413524
No, I am the voice of reason for "space fans". Its cringe how the "i fucking love science!!!11" type morons have taken it over. I blame the "IFLS!" meme, misguided memories of Carl Sagan and the black science man for that kind of nonsense. Dreams of exoplanet colonies are the ultimate form of "white flight" for insecure White s o i types who worship Elon Musk and whatever nonsense reddit is selling these days.

>The scientists have given [modern man] the impression that there is nothing he cannot know, and false propagandists have told him that there is nothing he cannot have.

>The scientists have given [modern man] the impression that there is nothing he cannot know, and false propagandists have told him that there is nothing he cannot have.

>>12413537
lol

>>12413524
ok isaac awthor

>>12413460
SpaceX likes to think that their launches are becoming routine, but they'll always be cool.

>>12413537
>No, I am the voice of reason

>>12413550

OH MY GOD IT'S GONE, IT'S ALL GONE

>>12413552
you bastard you made me check

>>12413550
>>12413551
Doesn't disprove my point that the Human Race lives and dies in this Solar System. This is where we make our stand.

>>12413524
This, if anyone is in absolute denial of physics or of the limitations of engineering, it's the eternal Doomer. The particular brand of pseudointellectual who denies the existence or even possibility of anything and everything they themselves are far too retarded to actually understand.

>>12413563
I'm gonna say the n word

>>12413564
Cope :/

Explain to me how humanity will expand and settle exoplanets beyond this solar system.

>>12413560
man how long has it been venting??

>>12413563
How is mankind leaving the solar system physically impossible?

>>12413567
Expand your anus fag

>>12413524
>>expanding beyond the solar system
>An issue of engineering that's not impossible due to physics.
?

>>12413569
Don't think there's been any visible change in a half hour, judging by the posts here. Not sure what they could be doing.

>>12413572
bigot

>>12413440
haha benis

>>12413567
My personal favorite idea are seed ships, but relativity ships or generation ships seem to be more likely.

>>12413577
togib

>>12413567
You are the only one coping here, because you're too stupid to understand a relatively simple concept like a laser sail, or using a combination of laser acceleration and plasma magnet sails to first accelerate a ship to a significant portion of C and then decelerate again using the stellar wind of the star to be colonized.
Not only do most of the technologies needed for a practical form of interstellar travel exist on paper, but most of them already exist in some form in the real world.
Probably not worth it to explain much more though, since you also deny even the physical possibility of large rotating space habitats, indicating that not only are you an antiproductive pessimist but you're also illiterate in material science as well.

>>12413574
>?
?

>>12413586
The anon you're replying to is a fag
that's all I had to add

>>12413574
There is nothing stopping a ship from leaving the solar system.

>>12413591
Unless they crash into the super-firmament

>>12413591
>>12413588
do you know how fucking far things are? compared to our lifespan?

>>12413596
Did you know some people have children before they die?

>>12413586
None of those things will be built by man in any foreseeable timeframe. How are you going to transport human beings in this Light Sail ship. Traveling at what? 10% C? Even then, you would have a totally isolated outpost with no hope of communication with Earth. You would need to study such exoplanet before hand with landers and rovers. Considering the distances you are looking at what? 100 years? 200 years? Before the study data returns to Earth, then another few centuries before the "colony ship" of whatever type reaches the Exoplanet. Human societies don't work on those timeframes.

>>12413579
>My personal favorite idea are seed ships, but relativity ships or generation ships seem to be more likely.

Oh, so fantasy. Gotcha.

>>12413596
So? If someone wanted to see the new star system, then they'll build a faster ship or a sleeper ship.

>>12413449
>Daily Reminder:
>Humanity will never expand beyond our solar system
>FTL travel is fantasy
Probably true.
>Terraforming is fantasy
Only on short time frames.
>"O Neal" cylinders and other megastructures are fantasy that will never be built
Oneil cylinders aren't mega-structures.
>At most you will get some "research outpost" on Mars, maybe eventually Titan but that is it.
In my lifetime, sure.
>You are stuck here in the Solar System :)
I am; humanity, or at least things made by humanity, will not be.

>>12413596
Why is the lifespan of one human relevant to interstellar colonization? Humans have been engaging in mega-projects that span more than one generation since humans existed. The entire concept of a city is a multigenerational megaproject that often takes more than a hundred years to see to fruition from planning through material gathering to stable metropolis.
Manhattan is filled with 2.3 million tons of cars alone, it's got 4 million tons of sidewalks, 120 million tons of buildings.

Doomers really are completely and utterly ignorant about concepts like scale and long term planning, which makes sense, because doomers are, by and large, highly unintelligent.

>>12413474
I tried long ago and far away to report every idiot falling for bait. All I got for my trouble was a ban.

>>12413599
>>12413606
ok

>>12413613
>Why is the lifespan of one human relevant to interstellar colonization?
speaking of highly unintelligent.

>>12413613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSkPNMjRRio
the video for those who are curious

>>12413603
>nooo I can't go, I haven't ROOOOOVED yet
Okay, so you won't go. Some Mormons or other intrepid group will get there first, because they'll just set out. It's a solar system, they're not going to get there and find out there's no phosphorous in the whole goddamn thing or something.
And human societies not working on long timescales is bunk. What the fuck are you on? Some cathedrals took centuries to build.

>>12413621
>no society has ever taken on any endeavor that didn't fit neatly within their generation because humans are braindead monkeys and cannot learn from their elders

>>12413514
>the laws of physics
I never studied law.
Don't assume that just because those who came before us missed some things means that we know it all.

>>12413631
It's important to remember that doomers live under the delusion that everyone is as simultaneously pessimistic, unmotivated, and stupid as they are.

>>12413469
There is literally no point in building them with so much unused space on Earth.

>>12413629
You miss the point entirely. How are Mormons going to get there? A magic "relativity" or "seed ship" as someone else said?

Cathedrals and cities are not relevant examples, those are things we build here on Earth, our home planet. We build them in an atmosphere and biosystem we are perfectly evolved for. That is like saying "Why didn't the Romans just build the Forum at the bottom of the Marianas Trench?"

>>12413631
> im too stupid to understand that the natural growth of a city has nothing to do with travel that's light years away

>>12413636
That's assuming population density is the only motivation for building one.

>>12413633
Delusion or misguided faith, you can call it whatever you like.

>>12413570
Well, we’ve had two primitive space probes that were able to leave the solar system and remain operational within a few decades. It’s very obviously not physically impossible. Getting anywhere after leaving would be more difficult, obviously, but limited by engineering, not physics.

>>12413637
>A magic "relativity" or "seed ship" as someone else said?
>relativity
Moving very fast is magic now?

>>12413524
Remember how old sci-fi movies thought we will have space bases by 2020?

Now even the most optimistic visions give many decades until functional Mars base.

>>12413645
The Voyager 1 will approach another star in 40,000 years. And it is not a "seed ship" or some nonsense, its something I could pull with my truck on a trailer.

>>12413644
It's true that I have no faith in the present day knowledge of humanity being absolutely correct.

>>12413646
How do you propose we travel at the speed of light. Let alone travel at such speeds with a "colony ship"

>>12413647
Then it'll happen later, but will still happen.

>>12413613
Here is the problem, such things are propelled by economic gains. Yes even the cathedrals of old. Until space beyond Earth orbit is profitable it will be nothing more than a scientific pet project.

>>12413647
Old sci-fi movies assumed that we wouldn't lose our collective will to make the universe our bitch.

>>12413403
water
pure water
steam if you will

>>12413637
Plenty of drives that could be designed even with known principles could power a generation craft.
Your arguments about timescales aren't even coherent. There is no reason humans cannot live over generations in colonies and habitats.

>>12413643
What is other motivation? "Cool thing in space"? It would have to make money. There must be people willing to pay for it's creation and willing to live in there after it's finished otherwise you end up with another Park Güell.

>>12413655
That is the exact mentality of a devout religious believer. There is nothing wrong with that, I consider myself a practicing Catholic, but you must realize this.

Your statement is the same as me saying "I know it does not seem currently possible given our knowledge of science and the material world but I believe Jesus will return at some point in the future to usher in the Kingdom of Heaven."

>>12413664
Space race was not propelled by that at all it was all politics and Cold War morale.

>>12413657
Who said anything about traveling at the speed of light? Relativistic effects generally become significant at 0.14c, but even 0.1c is doable with fusion engines which are possible. Someone else suggested laser sails which can work as well.

>>12413651
Yeah, but unless voyager broke the laws of physics, it’s obviously physically possible to leave the solar system. It’s simply a matter of scale.

>>12413673
>Park Güell
whats wrong with it

>>12413672
There is no realistic or plausible reason humanity would waste such massive resources/money/effort on a "generation ship" that would travel somewhere we have little to no knowledge of and would pretty much never contact with Earth again even if the crew somehow survived. A generation ship is even more implausible when you consider the time frames needed? A 1000 year journey? or is it 2000 years needed to reach the target star (which may or may not even be a suitable site for a colony).

Do you realize how much human societies change over the course of a century, let alone a millennia?

>>12413673
>What is other motivation?
Because it's there, or will be there.

>>12413684
Yep, it will be leaving our solar system on that 40,000 year journey to the next star. Which is very likely not a place people would want to live.

40,000 years ago on Earth we still had multiple hominid species walking around.

>>12413676
"I know everything, perfectly." is about as devout as it gets, anon.
>>12413679
Sci-fi books and movies were only about the real world space race.

>>12413688
It's still physically possible, and is only a matter of engineering. Doesn't matter if 99.99% of humans don't want to do it. Eventually that 0.01% will eventually obtain the means of doing it.

>>12413684
Don't you get tiered carrying those goalposts around, anon?

>>12413697
>technology will never progress from this era because I can't imagine it

The hop will happen this week r-right

shiny!

>>12413688
>There is no realistic or plausible reason humanity would waste such massive resources/money/effort on a "generation ship" that would travel somewhere we have little to no knowledge of and would pretty much never contact with Earth again even if the crew somehow survived
There is no realistic or plausible reason some Norwegian exiles would waste such massive resources/money/effort on an "expedition" that would travel somewhere erroneously titled Greenland when their only contact with the mainland is paying tribute even if the crew somehow survived sea storms and constant ice floes.

>>12413706
>leaving the solar system is physically impossible!
>"no, there is nothing stopping us from leaving it. a probe was even sent to interstellar space"
>but it's not a colony ship!
>"doesn't matter, leaving the solar system is possible"
>stop moving goalposts!

>>12413708
It will hop over Jeff Who's house and piss on his wife, and then hop on over Kennedy to piss on SLS, and then hop over to Alabama to piss on Shelby!

>>12413701
Missed the point it seems

>>12413707
Not an argument

>>12413703
Delusion and/or blind faith.

Nobody in this thread has yet to offer a plausible reason/timeframe/plan that would result in humanity somehow building a "generation" or "seed" ship capable of traveling to a potential exoplanet within a reasonable timescale.

From a strictly engineering point, it is perfectly possible for us to build a 1:1 replica of the Las Vegas Strip at the bottom of the Marianas Trench but there is no reason to do so and it is as unlikely to come to fruition as interstellar human travel.

>>12413708
Hopefully. They're making the preparations now.

>leaving the solar system
We have a good 100,000 years of dicking around in our own back yard before we even need to think about that.

>>12413710
This is not even comparable. One tiny village could produce a longship and crew for it. For generation ship you would need multiple first world nations working together for many years and then thousands of people willing to abandon everything for a chance that something good might happen to their grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grandx100 children.

>>12413724
Fair point. Which body would be the most interesting to colonize? Io may pose some challenges due to how geologically active it is, and it's proximity to Jupiter.

>>12413710
Not a proper analogy. The Vikings/Conquistadors were traveling to places on the same planet/biosphere. The trips were extremely dangerous but when they arrived they found places with a breathable atmosphere, local resources and plenty of things to eat. The trips were very much possible within a natural human lifespan, did not require extraordinary leaps of technology and the places they went to were never too far from their homeland as to make any form of communication impossible. The year or two it took Royal orders to travel from Madrid to Mexico City, Lima or Manilla are nothing compared to a century (or three) required to communicate with many potential exoplanets.

>>12413722
>Not an argument
Pointing out that the other side is an idiot is a valid tactic, anon.

>>12413722
>Nobody in this thread has yet to offer a plausible reason that would result in humanity somehow building a "generation" or "seed" ship capable of traveling to a potential exoplanet within a reasonable timescale.
Because it's there.

>>12413724
100,000 years is more than enough time to set up a system to move our own star and turn the whole solar system into a spaceship.
We'll turn the entire solar system into a vehicle for humanity's ambition and move from solar system to solar system, yoinking all the best planets for ourselves. Except URF.
We'll put all doomers on URF and boot it out of the Solship, leaving them behind to doom to their heart's content until they freeze.

>>12413734
This. I get that discussions about far future technology can be not fun, because the topic tends to devolve into magitech, but there is a difference between "possible future tool based on our current understanding of physics" and "a tool that can break the laws of physics as we know it".

>>12413735
That is a "cope" and a perfect example of how space travel has replaced faith/spirituality for many modern people. You have a God shaped hole in your heart you are trying to stuff full of spacecraft and fancy pictures of space colonies you saw on Deviant Art.

"Dude why do you eat that wafer in church at sunday, its fake bro"

"Because it is the Body of Christ"

"no its not"

"It is."

>>12413722
Novelty.

You can have your DNA put on the moon right now. If you think of economies of a solar system scale, spamming pods with robots and frozen embryos isnt that expensive. If our species spreads across Sol into the trillions then that isn’t so unimaginable.

You imagine such propagation as difficult. It’s only difficult now. You can’t imagine it being a trivial thing to launch a seed ship.

>>12413742
That requires alot of "hand waving" as they say.

>robots and frozen embryos

>>12413741
>christfag here to sperg up the thread and preach his magic book
Please put on a fucking tripcode

>>12413741
I never said anything about religions being fake. You brought that up. Also, one can be a devout Christian and want to colonize space. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

>>12413726
>For generation ship you would need multiple first world nations working together for many years
I don't know that. Do you know that? We're not building the damn thing tomorrow. The argument put forward is that it is physically impossible, which your increasingly nervous hedging suggests you don't even believe. What the resources of the society that will first undertake that mission will be, probably being dispersed throughout moons and planets and asteroids, can only be guessed at.
>>12413731
>The trips were very much possible within a natural human lifespan, did not require extraordinary leaps of technology and the places they went to were never too far from their homeland as to make any form of communication impossible.
Humans have been taking blind voyages to unknown lands with no continuity of communication for longer than humans have had civilization.

>>12413737
>We'll turn the entire solar system into a vehicle
I can't tell when delusioners are serious or joking anymore. This might be serious?

>>12413752
>I don't know that. Do you know that? We're not building the damn thing tomorrow.
I think the poor guy has confused people who argue for interstellar colonization eventually with the kind of people who want interstellar colonization now.

>>12413747
Nah it’s statistical inevitability. Even if the tech is unlikely to succeed, as long as it’s cheap enough that you can spam it into the void, it works out.

>>12413754
That was 100% a joke, but I couched it as serious because I know that even the concept of such a utopian ideal makes doomoids seethe.
Shoot for the impossible, accomplish the implausible. Doomers shoot for nothing and accomplish nothing, they are worth nothing except that they're enjoyable to mock.

>>12413760
>million earth solar system
kek I remember that blog post

>>12413760
pointing out bullshit and impossibilities is not being a doomer.

>>12413537
>elon musk flees africa to get away from niggers, comes to america, discovers there are niggers here too, and now wants to flee to mars
What's wrong with that?

>>12413748
yikes. fuck off retard lol

>>12413563
Worse than his brother; his brother's wife. His brother thought it was probably Ted but wasn't going to say anything about it until his wife nagged him.

>>12413763
There's a difference between pointing out flawed concepts (or concepts that aren't really thought out in a discussion environment like a Mongolian basket weaving forum) such as FTL or perfect replication, and being a stick in the mud by refusing to acknowledge that technology and industry improves as time goes on.

>>12413563
/thread

delusioners need to fuck off back to /v/ or reddit

let us be comfy with Falcon tail landers and Mars rovers

>>12413709
Damn that's looking nice

>>12413613
Multigenerational projects only work with authoritarian governments. America can barely even build simple bridges anymore.

>>12413681
where can i get more of these? they look fucking amazing

>>12413537
good post

>>12413647
>Now even the most optimistic visions give many decades until functional Mars base.
The "old sci-fi movies giving us space bases by 2020" also gave many decades. Because they came out several decades ago, you fuckwit.

>>12413786
>let us be comfy with Falcon tail landers
At least we all can agree with that.

>>12413660
>pet project
If you have facilities on the moon, you can nuke your enemies without nukes.

>>12413710
you are retarded

>>12413791
America progressed the most when it was least authoritarian, while authoritarian shitholes collapse constantly and are some of the most backwards shitty barbaric places to live on the entire planet.
Freedom is the future of all civilized humans, and space is ultimate freedom.

>>12413791
>Multigenerational projects only work with authoritarian governments.
There's a valid reason that Dune has bugmen vs. Islam.

>>12413799
We can do that already with a SSBN.

I don't think leaving the solar system is impossible, but I don't get why it would make anyone upset if it was. The solar system is more then enough for us to explore.

>>12413726
>grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grandx100 children.
lmao absurd hyperbole like this doesn't make you sound more persuasive kid. Nobody is talking about 1300 generation ships.

>>12413798

>>12413784
> refusing to acknowledge that technology and industry improves as time goes on.
I'm well aware that technology and industry CAN improve as time goes on (there's no guarantee that they will, btw; plenty of societies have gone backwards).

It's another thing to start talking about FTL or denying that we are bound to this solar system, at least for a few lifetimes. Probably forever.

And the same for Mars, Titan etc. The current technological limitations are such that we are not going to have human societies flourishing in those places during our lifetime.

>>12413810
You missed the point

>>12413808
>SSBN
>submersible ship ballistic nuclear
>no nukes

>>12413814
You failed to make a point, you attacked an absurd strawman in lieu of making a point.

>>12413816
Uh what?

>>12413811

>>12413816
Idiot, the N refers to nuclear power, not nuclear armament.

>>12413819
That anon said "nuking enemy without nukes". SSBN's are not a nuke-less option because by design they carry nukes.

>>12413821
An SSBN is a nuclear powered missile boat, a "boomer" as they say

>>12413822
A nuclear reactor is not and cannot function as a nuclear bomb.

>>12413821
>>12413826
My bad.

its funny that the autists who jerk off to generation or seed ship fantasies are the least likely to breed themselves lol

>>12413822
>>12413821
the point is: why base nukes on the moon when an Ohio class sub can do the same job for much cheaper?

>>12413821
>the N refers to nuclear power, not nuclear armament
Correct, but there's no conventionally-armed SSBNs. Submarines designed to utilize conventional guided missiles are generally referred to as SSG(N)s.

>>12413825
Yes, I'm aware, But the N in SSBN or SSN refers to the ship being nuclear powered, not armed with nukes. A ballistic missile submarine with nuclear weapons but a conventional power plant would not be called an SSBN.

>>12413832
A nuke silo on the moon requires much more energy to destroy, anon.

>>12413833
>no conventionally-armed SSBNs
No, but there are ex-SSBNs that are now SSGNs armed primarily with conventional wareheads. Four of the Ohios in particular are such conversions.

And there's no particular reason why an SSBN couldn't have conventional warheads, except for the reason of there not being a good reason to do it, because any ballistic missile attack looks like a nuclear attack.

the first King of Mars will be Nate Higgers

>>12413844
Actually it would be really easy to destroy. Just starve them out, what are they going to eat if you don't mail them food?

>>12413849
>what are they going to eat if you don't mail them food?
Why shouldn't they nuke the world, if you don't feed them?

>>12413521
>You don't need to have FTL to be interstellar, you just have to stop being mortal.
You don't even need that, there are precisely two things you need to be able to do to achieve interstellar colonization capability
>1
Develop the technology necessary to colonize the asteroid belt (ie, rotating habitat structures, space mining, off-world industry).
>2
One kind of nuclear power in space or another, fusion would be nice but fission would work just fine.

If you can do those two things, you can send a fleet of 10,000 space vehicles on a 20,000 year trip to Alpha Centauri, because they WILL have the redundancy and industry and resource stockpiles necessary to function as a large nation or a group of smaller nations during the entire coasting period, and once they arrive they can just go ahead and start mining and building more habitats and vehicles and stuff. Simple as.
Of course if they have nuclear energy it's not a stretch to think that they could go significantly faster than a one hundred century transfer, too. Even just using basic plasma magnet sails would be enough to get them there in ~3000 years. Combine that with some nice fusion propulsion and you can get there in ~600 years. That's without any other propulsion assistance such as particle beams (works with magnet sail tech but gets you to way higher final velocities).

>>12413844
A lunar base can also serve as a buffer during a nuclear exchange as if a nation can settle on the moon while making sure that it's enemy can't send meaningful weapons there, then that nation is virtually unkillable. Sure both nations on Earth would be smoldering craters, but the lunar equipped nation could keep the fight going and reclaim both lands for itself.
>>12413849
A nation that is serious about a lunar base would find ways for their base to be self-sufficient, such as hydroponics large enough to feed all members.

>>12413563
>you are incorrect, prove me wrong
it doesn't work that way, dumbass

>this entire thread

have sex incels

>>12413857
Why would you send nukes up to them in the first place? And if they find uranium ore on the moon and have the ability to refine it, that's when you cut off the food shipments. They'll starve before they get enough material for even one bomb.

>>12413865
Cope

>>12413864
go suck a cock, FAGGOT>>12413865

>>12413567
Dyson swarm will have ~0.001% of the population (several billion people) volunteer to go on a trip to another star and start building a new Dyson swarm there, too. Repeat until the local group is swarmed up.

>>12413803
>America progressed the most when it was the most white
ftfy

>>12413869
oh fuck off with this fantasy BS m8

go eat a dick bruh

Anyone still working on their rocket projects? How are they coming along?

>>12413866
>>12413866
>Why
Earth based governments will put nukes on the moon because they're convinced that other lunar outpost capable governments would put nukes on the moon.

>>12413872
Why are you so angry?

>>12413596
Are you implying space boomers are not going to decide it would be cool to sign up for an interstellar slowboat trip and doom the next ten generations of their offspring to living in a habitat cluster moving at 300 km/s through the interstellar void? Because that's 100% something that future space boomers are going to do, and those generations in between are just gonna have to pink wojak cope their way through life hating their ancestors and knowing that their own descendants will be the real heroes cracking open that new star system.

>>12413881
A lunar base doesn't need nukes to defend itself. Simple guided missiles with conventional warheads are more than sufficient to destroy any incoming enemy ships.

>>12413636
The reason to build them is the huge amount of unused space in space, not because of some risk of crowding on Earth.

>>12413884
A lunar base will exist solely because of the advantages it gives its sponsor, anon.

>>12413637
An orion pulse engine and/or a plasma magnet sail would be sufficient.

>>12413887
And that is probably why none actually exists, anon.

>>12413657
>we can't go this speed, therefore we can't do it
You're like those fags at NASA who refuse to consider Mars missions until we develop magic fusion engines that could get us there in two weeks instead of 4 months via chemical, even though we know that 8 months total in deep space is not a serious radiological hazard unless you get fucked by a CME.

>>12413813
Literally not a single person but you has defended FTL itt. That's just a strawman. Conflating physically impossible challenges like FTL with doable-at-our-current-tech-level challenges like Mars is you being an obstinent faggot. Kill yourself.

>>12413858
>20000 years later descendants of original colonists are far too used to living on ships so they say fuck it and continue coasting past the star into space

>>12413834
North Korea actually operates a couple diesel powered SSBs

>>12413688
>(which may or may not even be a suitable site for a colony)
Unless there's literally no objects orbiting a star, ALL star systems are immediately colonizable by a civilization that has managed to colonize the space around its home star (with the likely exception of flare stars, which are more active than is worth dealing with).

>>12413892
To be fair, CMEs are nasty to deal with. A solution for that could be to have a special Starship among the fleet who's sole purpose is to be a maximum protection "storm-cellar". It would have minimal accommodations to spare as much mass as possible for shielding, and the crew would move to it if a CME event were detected. Not sure how well the electronics would survive, but at least the people would be safe which is the hardest part of such travels.

>>12413898
Humanity as space locusts works as well as humanity on many worlds, anon.

>>12413729
Io poses some interesting immediate-death-by-irradiation challenges to solve first, before we ever get humans within about 100,000 km of that hellhole.

>>12413754
I figured he meant mine everything in the solar system and turn it into an absolute fuckload of habitat ships.
>>12413760
Anon what the fuck is that?

>>12413729
Terraforming Neptune

>>12413907
>human colonization have reached Jupiter
>a sole colony ship lands on Io
>the colony founder steps outside in his massive protection suit
>he peers across a truly hellish landscape
>the barely hospitable scene inspires a name for the colony within him
>New California

>>12413726
>This is not even comparable. One tiny village could produce a longship and crew for it. For generation ship you would need multiple first world nations working together for many years and then thousands of people willing to abandon everything for a chance that something good might happen to their grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grand grandx100 children.
By colonizing the solar system at large we will continue to grow until our equivalent of 'a tiny village' would vastly exceed the industrial might and total population of the modern Earth. There's room in the solar system for quadrillions of people just based on the materials available in the asteroid belt, let alone if we were to disassemble the Kuiper belt and the planets too. If we manage to get the ball rolling on interplanetary colonization, there really are no more roadblocks to accomplishing colonization of anything that hasn't already moved beyond the grasp of near-light-speed vehicles due to the expansion of space itself.

>>12413647
>Now even the most optimistic visions give many decades until functional Mars base.
Have you heard of this guy called Elon Musk, retard?

>>12413907
nuclear-powered exosuits with personal EM shields

>>12413849
>what are they going to eat if you don't mail them food?
Probably food that they grew in pressurized LED-lit farm tubes on the Moon, guy.

>>12413449
>Humanity will never expand beyond our solar system
At our current state with the jews.
>FTL travel is fantasy
For now.
>Terraforming is fantasy
If China can just turn its climate into toxic hell by merely releasing fuckloads of smog, then surely we can gradually convert atmospheres on other planets into more habitable ones.
>"O Neal" cylinders and other megastructures are fantasy that will never be built
Perhaps in our lifetimes. But if humanity lives on, perhaps they will.
>At most you will get some "research outpost" on Mars, maybe eventually Titan but that is it.
As said once, in our lifetimes.
>You are stuck here in the Solar System :)
You and I are, but if our descendants roll the dice right, you'll be frowning in the grave.

>>12413858
>be a newly emerged civilization
>finally turn our gaze to stars
>see a space equivalent of gypsy tabor approaching fast on intercept course
launchallthemissiles.jpg

>>12413918
Ron Musk Retard is one of my favorite persons.

>>12413925
>be a newly emerged civilization
>finally turn our gaze to stars
>see an alien generation ship approaching fast
>try to contact them
>they dump exabytes of memes that have been festering within an isolated population for 200,000 years
whycantiholdallofthesewats.jpg

>>12413898
>>20000 years later descendants of original colonists are far too used to living on ships so they say fuck it and continue coasting past the star into space
More like
>20,000 years later the generation of descendants that were born at a time when the planets of their new home star were visible through telescope get to be the same generation that decelerates into a capture orbit and starts mining the low gravity moons of a large gas planet to build more life ships

Going slow doesn't have a lot of advantages but one that it does have is a sort of self-correction for value drift during the trip. A fleet capable of moving at 1% light speed would arrive at Alpha Centauri long enough after departure to not give a shit about star systems anymore, and the delta V to actually make a decision. A fleet only capable of moving at 0.05% light speed is going to have people in positions of power who were born when the fleet was already inside of the Oort cloud equivalent of their target star, and not many options in terms of maneuverability if they were to decide suicidally to not brake to capture.

>>12413924
> then surely we can gradually convert atmospheres on other planets into more habitable ones
It's a big fucking task, apart from some sort of bio solution there's little prospect of us doing it without a metric shittonne of money/effort

>>12413903
You know what I say to that? Godspeed.
The solution is to get better at predicting solar weather, and not having ships sailing out into a hurricane.

>>12413865
Okay cool, can I have your mom's number?

>>12413388
Lol no

>>12413911
kek
>>12413920
In all honesty the solution is probably to attack the belts rather than try to shield our stuff. There are some proposals for neutralizing radiation belts faster than they can build up which I can't recall right now, but if they work it's be a lot easier to do that that to embed every manned vehicle in a ten meter thick spherical water shell and still have stage delta V measured in kilometers per second.

>>12413697
>40,000 years ago on Earth we still had multiple hominid species walking around.

We still do. What do you think niggers and aborigines are?

Will i be able to see hyabusa 2 in a couple of days?

>>12413684
Are you seriously retarded? How do you manage to write?

>>12413974
Read what he wrote.
Leaving the solar system is a thing that can be done.
Like he said, the only difference between Voyager and a colonial fleet is the magnitude of the mass being thrown. Modern technology is making mass throwing easier, too.

https://twitter.com/flightclubio/status/1334361905725628419

animated 15km flight path. It really does ignite engines at the very last moment

>>12413697
>40,000 years ago on Earth we still had multiple hominid species walking around.

You think we don’t today?
Look at an aborigine skull

>>12413992
You don't even need to go that far, compare a korean skull to a sudanese skull.

>>12413990
fake

>>12413748
Fag

>>12414038
Space Shuttle is literally just a glider.

>>12414038
the white paint makes it go faster, duh

also holy shit the Blackbird is so fucking cool. When will we get a spaceship as stylish?

>>12414066
i saw it as a flying coffin

>>12414101
So is any plane, or a rocket for that matter.

>>12413990
All aboard the hype train!

soooo there is no more static fires then?

>>12413449
Damn, I'm surprised this many people in /sfg/ legitimately think interstellar travel will never happen. No FTL yeah, but not no interstellar travel at all

>>12414069
A blackbird style spaceship would be cool. I wish we were living in the timeline where reactionless drives were just invented and we were on the cusp of a new era of space travel

>>12414038
SR-71 was limited by heat at a mere mach 3ish. As a glider, the shuttle could survive mach 20 or whatever during reentry due to its blunt shape not producing insane hotspots.

>>12413858
You don't need to send them on a 10000 year trip, some orion drive concepts drawn up in the 60s allowed for 0.10c (and breaking from that I believe)

>>12414038
Oh no! How can Shuttle go that fast with all that radar reflectivity? Surely that's limiting its speed.

>>12414164
Are there any good videos or papers on orion? I know a lot about it, but I’d love to learn more about it and see if it is actually feasibly possible for us to build right now (compared to something like sea dragon, which is “possible” but not really possible)

So I mean. Is the Snate going to blast off to 15km and then free fall back? Or is it going to be more like the "hop" tests have been?

>>12414187
>So I mean. Is the Snate going to blast off to 15km and then free fall back?
Yes

>>12414191
Neat.

>>12413974
Not sure if you’re trolling or ESL.

>>12414187
>Snate
Of Snate’s Fate and Sate?

>>12413375
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-55148998

>Its robotic Chang'e-5 mission touched down a short while ago with the aim of collecting samples of rock and dust to bring back to Earth.

>The intention is to package about 2kg of "soil", or regolith, to send up to an orbiting vehicle that can then transport the samples to Earth.

>The Chinese space agency said this lander-ascender element put down at 15:11 GMT (23:11 China Standard Time). The precise position was reported as 51.8 degrees West longitude and 43.1 degrees North latitude.

>>12414200
Yeah, formerly Chuck's

>>12414204
I think they're planning to ascend today, if they already haven't done so.

>>12414237

I wonder if we'll get to see any of the data they gather.

>>12414237
This is kinda outdated, but it's the predicted timeline of China's mission.

>>12414240
They said they'll release some data. I think they might be cheeky and give the US 2 grams of moon rocks.

>>12414240
lol

>>12413697
We still do have multiple hominid species running around

>>12413375
why does /sfg/ hate arca so much? they're basically low-budget 4ASS

>>12414260
bigot

>>12414246
Lick my sweaty balls fag

>>12414262
because it's mathematically impossible to get to orbit using a giant tank full of steam, the ISP is black powder model rocket tier

>>12414280
at least ARCA actually builds things, even if they are fake scam models. all 4ASS ever does is design paper rockets

Hey guys I just woke up from my coma.
I’ve been out for 51 years.
Have we walked on mars yet?

>>12414288
>at least
making a scam is lower than just designing paper rockets

>>12414280
>a giant tank full of steam, the ISP is black powder model rocket tier
It's significantly worse than black powder, actually

>>12414297
yes but there were hostile underground martians
we lost the war and now we are forbidden from leaving earth

>>12414288
Who is the space flight group known as 4ASS?

>>12414307
welcom newfren

>>12414307

>>12414312
Has anyone even bothered to calculated the acceleration in Gs this thing would experience?

>>12414323
Gs: Yes

>>12414297
Before I answer I need you to scratch the crevice between where your leg and your balls join your body and tell me what it smells like

>>12414312
150 km/s in two stages is 75 km/s per stage
Burn time of each stage is 127 seconds
That's an average of ~590 m/s^2 acceleration
Over 60 gees
Peak acceleration would be much higher but I'm not doing calculus it's my bedtime

>>12414323
>>12414324
forgot to link >>12414335

>>12414330
>implying I have legs

>>12414312
Ok but how do you slow down

>>12414335
Nothing Sean Connery as James bond couldn't survive

>>12414345
not sure what part of "yeet missile" you didn't understand

>>12413375
Planes are harder than spaceships

>>12414345
>slow down
Huh?

>>12414357
Yes well, atmosphere is tricky. Rockets cheat by getting outside the atmosphere.

>>12413754
The concept has been explored before. It's called a Shkadov thruster and it's easier to build than a Dyson sphere. The downside is it's slow, not even completing a lap around the galaxy in a billion years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_engine#Shkadov_thruster

>>12414539
>not even completing a lap around the galaxy in a billion years
for anyone unaware, we do that normally in about 240,000,000 years
in a galactic time scale, the earth is only 18 years old and the dinosaurs only got smackeroo'd about 3 months ago

>>12413737
sounds based

I'm confused, is the SN8 hop going to happen ~12 hours from now, or 36?

>>12413878
I've been trying to figure out how to make use of NH4NO3 but nothing is working. I can't into KNO3 like burgers because its illegal here.

You know, in theory the ammonium should have been better but it's just terrible the closest I got to setting it on fire was when mixing some salt and bunch of other shit. Then I got it to smoulder with the intensity of a wet rag assuming I had prebaked it for 24 hours in 70c oven to get rid of the moisture. Once outside the oven it turns into wet puddle in about half an hour.

I know how to make it explode in larger quantities but... I'm trying to make rockets, not a jules verne-esque moon guns!

SN8's F8 and S8 when?

>>12414569
36

>>12413388
>COO just quit
Not so sure now, BO might actually fuck this up

>>12413449
One day i will die, and in my will i will leave your post, with the instruction to my descendents to only read it after we terraform other planets, and there it will be written "Look at this faggot and laugh"

HOP DAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

imma need the link for the sfg discord

>>12414663
we don't have one, but there could be some advantages with it

>>12414663
There isn't one yet, and I don't think there should be. A 4ASS Design Bureau discord would be a much better choice.

>>12414658
>HOP DAAAY
... isn’t until tomorrow

LUNCH WHEN?!

>>12413710
Now imagine that they are only just arriving, ~1000 years later, in 2020 AD.
At least they wouldn't have to decelerate from 0.1c first.
>>12413949
You just literally drain the charged particles out of them. And I've actually heard people whine that draining the Van Allen belts would be some kind of permanent ecological disaster, what the fuck midwits. It wouldn't even be permanent, it would take only a few months for them to charge up again if you turned off the drain. Jupiter's are a bit bigger but they should be just as easy to drain, and more useful with all those nice moons.
>>12414345
lithobraking

>>12414694
how to into drain allen's belt

POP WHEN?

>>12413449
>>12414634
The physics is pretty clear, you can travel to other side of the galaxy and back easily in a single human lifespan. SFG is full of posci retards who don't understand time dilation.
At 1G constant acceleration you can get to relativistic speeds in about a year, time dramatically slows for the occupants of the craft. Apart from the propulsion source there's nothing stopping this.

>>12414694
You can get decent fractions of c out of NPP. "Generation ship" doesn't immediately mean "1,000 years" and I don't know why everyone assumes so.

>>12414171
A lot of the government papers on it are declassified so you can always try looking for those. And yes, the benefit of orion is it is the only technology allowing us to achieve a high percentage of light speed with a manned vehicle that we can pretty much definitely build right now.

>>12414681
You missed lunch by a full hour.

>>12414171
They looked at it for a long time from a lot of angles and found no dealbreakers other than how insane it is.

>>12414674
>>12414672
If some sort of chatroom was ever made an IRC chatroom would be far superior then discord.

>>12414711
Because people forget about orion.

>>12414708
>SFG is full of popsci retards who don't understand that energy isn't infinite

>>12414708
Physics isn't just laws dictating momentum, it also dictates limits to how much potential a propulsion methods can realistically give, and limits to material strength
Just because you can physically go that fast, doesn't mean it's physically possible to build a ship that can handle those velocities, or a propulsion system that can handle 1g of acceleration for 100-1000 years
Even super powerful nuclear torch engines, nuclear salt water engines, and Orion drives can't do that, and there's nothing else that really works better
Plus your ship would be ground to plasma by relativistic impacts from bits of dust and small objects in space that aren't destroyed in time, the farther you travel, the more likely an impact, the faster you go, the more energy will be involved in an impact

>>12414624
COO did not quit, he was fired with 1 day notice. Now he is "pursuing (vague) opportunities". This can only help Blue Pee long term

>>12414809
Didn't he used to work at Boeing, or some other MIC/oldspace company?

>>12414148
Its a delusion. People come here to talk about neat rockets but then retards show up

>HEY BROO LETS GET THAT SEED SHIP STARTED UP, HUMAN GALATIC EMPIRE BRO

>>12414708

>>12414813
40 years in the Navy. keep in mind, they lost the Air Force LSA dev contract AND one of NSSL Phase 2 splits under his watch. Just a day ago Blue Origin announced its board of directors. Surprise surprise, it's all ex-national security (Air force, NRO, etc) establishment types

Hi my name is Jim. You're gonna have to pack up your Starship and go home. You are affecting the ocelot habitats

>What about it?!
>Pudgy faggot face
>Hates his children (probably not his)
>Blows hot air on a daily basis
>People donate money to this retard
I fucking love science

>>12414836
The virgin urf deathcult eco-warrior
The chad space habitat wildlife preservationist

>>12414708
energy is finite
and by the time one crosses the galaxy and comes back, earth will be drastically different due to said time dilation
it is possible but in no way optimal

Why do some people think time dilation means you go slower

>>12414836
The ocelots can live in ur anus, Jim.

>>12414708
>1G constant acceleration for a year,
>easily

>>12414853
>and by the time one crosses the galaxy and comes back, earth will be drastically different due to said time dilation
That's a feature.

>>12414873
this doesn't make any sense.

>>12414910
by drastically different i mean barren and primitive, not shiny and advanced

>>12414924
That's what I was thinking. Fuck this gay rock.

>>12414873
7/10 idea, 3/10 execution. Keep up the good effort and you'll make the ring

>>12414873
based

>>12414956
Waiting for the day someone asks what the "WELD DEV" meme was

Hayabusa hatepizza 34 when?

>>12414987
oopsie woopsie

>>12414987
Someone just turn twitter off permanently.

>>12414672
Be prepared for it to fill with trannies and degerates

here's your superheavy legs bro

>>12415013

>>12415013
>>12415015
It's faint and blurry but looks like grasshopper legs to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SojGBrDKZ_Y

SpaceX Starship business case/analysis from Naval reserve commander. From ~28 min

>>12415032
I asked a few threads ago, and someone said this is an old design.

It unironically would have worked if Lockheed decided to scrap the SSTO configuration and instead have the vehicle scaled down to around 60% where it would mated to the stock shuttle stack with the external tank and solid boosters, essentially replacing the Rockwell/Boeing orbiter.

>>12415209
>It would have worked if you just made it the shuttle but even worse
For a certain definition of "work", sure.

>>12415209
But the point was to be superior to the shuttle, not just be a new shuttle to strap onto the orange tank. If they'd gone that route it would have failed it's primary purpose, which was to replace and overcome the shuttle, not succeed it.
Should have been mated to a LOX/Kerosene booster stack instead which could loft it up past the atmosphere, with the vehicle's propellant mostly used to secure a stable orbit.

>>12415209
We already have the X-37, and the Boeing orbiter, and the chink spaceplane, and the pajeet spaceplane, and the Dream Chaser.
Main point of X-33 was that it didn't needed any boosters, or external tanks.

>>12414663
Yeah

>>12415241
*DARPA orbiter (if it ever happens)

>>12415162
Cool find anon

Video of China's Chang'e-5 moon lander taking off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp622egRG1g

>>12415209
you are aware that they wanted it to be cheaper than the shuttle right...?

>>12415162
thank u for this, very intersaating

>>12415416
Isn't this the first time a fully autonomous sample return has been successfully done from the lunar surface? And from what I remember this is also the first time of a fully autonomous ascent, rendezvous and docking has been done

>>12415416
Now they have to try the first automated docking in lunar orbit.

>>12415449
Are you talking specifically about firsts for the chinks? The soviets did the first one multiple times 50 years ago (Americans didn't have to for obvious reasons), the second isn't even especially remarkable.

>>12413474
>can’t handle the bantz
Reddit is that way home slice

Don’t mind me, just trying to stir the pot!

>>12415473
global firsts. The soviets have actually never autonomously docked, only done ascent. They control the craft themselves whenever possible, including docking

>>12413531
Yeah let’s keep it within the realm of current or budding tech. Consider it a learning exercise

>>12415495
>muh rich ppl
The royalty of Spain didn't hop over ship when america was discovered

>>12415495
>noo you can't let rich people go to space, except the small government-handpicked set of elites that constitute the only regular participants in space travel for the last century
The mindset of the progressive is a labyrinthine mire of cognitive dissonance.

>>12415495
So what? They are just going to bring all of humanity's existing problems with them to another planet and die there. Now latest twatter drama? THAT is important!

>>12415510
what's that

>>12415499
Neither is a global first, though.

>>12415521
my dick

>>12415495
>Rich people are going to colonize Mars without you
This is such a retarded claim. Why would "the rich" go to a place where their money has no value?
There is no government or economy on Mars to validate their place in society
They'll only come over once there is a monetary incentive or some kind of government to enforce their position in society.

>>12415495
Nooooooo this can't be happening bros

>>12415522
Shit I guess I got things mixed up
It's the first autonomous sample return to also rendezvous and dock to return to earth.
The luna missions had to land on a specific point on the surface in order to return, because they had almost no control over the return stage, so it had to just fire in a straight line

>>12413737
Yeah and no parents allowed either!

>>12413862
We had the ability to nuke the moon in the 50s. I swear It’s like a full time job setting you tards straight

>>12415495
watching that 5 minute clip was a truly eye-opening glimpse into the retard minds of the American left. It's basically everything /sfg/ memes about except they're dead serious
>muh problems on earth
>blacks protested apollo
>whitey on the moon
>spacex says mars wont follow earth laws
>muh outer space treaty
lt has it all

>>12415495
Okay one more post I need to share from twitter before I go to work. Check this shit out; they had a drone filming the cables at aracibo as it collapsed. What an amazing coincidence. Can someone turn this into a webm for other anons?
https://twitter.com/djsnm/status/1334540065201012737?s=21

>>12415579
https://twitter.com/VICENews/status/1334307902484590594?s=19

>>12415495
Vice is just straight up acting subversive at this point

>>12413388
>New Glenn will reach orbit before Starship
>Maybe the real journey to the stars is the friends you meet along the way
>It’s all true in my mind

>>12415495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v016_pe3tCk
Literally just whitey on the moon, again

>>12415552
Getting a bit specific in the firsts at that point. "This is the first mission to have its specific mission profile"

>>12415579
>spacex says mars wont follow earth laws
If they did follow Earth laws, they would call it American imperialism

>>12415495
Nononono! You can't just exchange money for goods and services! That is evil!

>>12415589
they're saying mars colonies are gated communities for the rich. how do they reach that conclusion? do they think rich farts are chomping at the bit to destroy their standard of living?

>>12414873
y-you too

>>12414789
Just start linking them to x or lit if they want to larp

>>12415570
A singular nuke delivered on a specialist vehicle which would have flown on a predicable path against an undefended location. What about "meaningful weapons" don't you understand?

>>12415580
It took some damage a couple weeks ago and was in the process of being decommissioned. The fact that they had drones filming isn't a coincidence, it's expected.

>>12415495
Did they watch the Spitting Image election special and decide to write an article on it?

>>12415598
>how do they reach that conclusion?
Honestly, I think its because of Elysium, but even then in that movie the rich were still around Earth even if they weren't on it.

>>12415607
I’m not going to tit for tat with you all day sorry. But just to Inform you, guidance computers are a thing.This general is populated mostly be grown adults who don’t want to play space war. Go somewhere else.

>>12415580
Imagine being the drone operator

>>12414842
I don't like him all that much either and he's gotten into the habit of repeating himself to fill his patreon mandated episodes. But otherwise he does a decent job of summarizing all the shit surrounding Boca that would otherwise stay buried in NSF/twitter and here.
He also made a decent effort of upgrading the show. Getting that animator on board and whatnot.
I wish his demeanor was slightly more chill instead of this obviously forced super nice thing he puts on.
I guess, he's not too bad over all. Could be much worse anyway.

>>12415495
Freedom of the press isn't freedom from consequences.

>>12415632
>But just to Inform you, guidance computers are a thing
Yes, but the best guidance computers in the world aren't going to shorten the trip to the moon, nor will it help much against defensive fire.
>Go somewhere else.
No.

>>12415618
Oh I know, it’s just cool that they happened to have the drone up and recording AS it broke. If they filmed at any other time they wouldn’t have gotten the footage
>>12415635
Yeah hahah I like how the drone flips around immediately. The operator was probably screaming at his monitor out of excitement and fear

>>12415635
I used to get paid to fly a drone and record video for hyperloop. Shit was cash

>>12415653
based

>>12415495
Cancel SPACEX/ELON MUSK

RICH BILLIONAIRE WANTS TO ABANDON EARTH TO LIVE IN PARADISE ON MARS

>>12415580
It's sad to see the observatory go, but that collapse looked cool.

>>12415661
>PARADISE ON MARS
But it's an irradiated wasteland.

>>12415661
>PARADISE ON MARS
wtf now I want to go to mars

>>12415671
You don't get it. The rich are going to leave their air conditioned, fully stocked mansions with 20 servants each to go live in a cramped tin cans, breathing farts and drinking piss. It just makes sense.

>>12415682
I thought there is water ice or something. Like you can have the plants drink your processed water and keep filtered remains of millions year old extinct martian life to yourself.

>>12415495
They wouldn't write this shit if people like you didn't share it.

>>12415598
>chomping at the bit
champing

>>12415628
Fuck this movie, and fuck the expanse. You can't say anything about Space without some moth breather coming in going "ITSSH JUSHT LIKE SHE EXPANSSHE!"

>>12415495
whats mars

>>12415693
>I sure wish I was on twitter instead, the content there is so much better. Here I’ll show you guys:

>>12415582
what do u mean

>>12415701
>You can't say anything about Space without some moth breather coming in going "ITSSH JUSHT LIKE SHE EXPANSSHE!"
Is this really that common?

>>12415719
Beats me, I don't associate with normie scum.

>>12415724
i wish i could be like you

>>12414148
>No FTL yeah

We’ll go faster-than-light and even travel to other dimensions

>>12415495

I never understand the mindset of these people.

At the end of the day spacex is a private launch provider. They’ve changed the game by lowering costs that will inevitably open up space to private and industrial interests. That’s not a bad thing. It’s not spacex’s job to save the world but opening up access to the space based resources might do just that. The things that they bitch about have nothing to do space exploration.

>>12415628
This movie basically primed the normalfag masses to view space ventures as something for the über elite rich and to tear them down before they can begin, prove me wrong, this current anti-human space mentality exemplified by the recent Vice videos portraying SpaceX, Elon Musk and Mars colonisation in negative ways and the retarded NASA PPO memo didn't come from nowhere, it was primed, perhaps even subconsciously

>>12415735
based, isaac arthur told me this would happen. apparently he want to go into the pocket universe. that must be where they keep the spaghetti

>>12415744
They aren't people, they're communists.

>>12415744
Validation and emotions coupled with misanthropy and hate of other bogeymen with a generous dose of projections.

Stop talking about Twitter.

>>12415744
My guess is that spaceflight is seen as pointless to most people because it doesn't seem to do much. Sure, there is alot in spaceflight going on now, but it seems so disconnected from everyone else. For example, look at maritime trade. It probably gets even less thought by the public eye than spaceflight, but there aren't calls to cut funding for it. That's because if someone wants to clearly see the impact it has on the world, then they can see it in the docks with all the goods it moves. Spaceflight doesn't have that. For the public, all it has are cool pictures and data that only esoteric scientists can understand. Hopefully this improves with more space traffic in the future, but more work should be made to highlight what good spaceflight does for the world beyond the exploration and colonization.

>>12415748
>NASA PPO memo
What do you mean?

>>12415783
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/wokeists-assault-space-exploration/

> In October 2020, NASA’s Planetary Science and Astrobiology Decadal Survey committee received a manifesto from its Equity, Diversity and Inclusion Working Group (EDIWG). Written by NASA Ames Research Center public-communications specialist Frank Tavares — along with a group of eleven co-authors including noted activists drawn from the fields of anthropology, ethics, philosophy, decolonial theory, and women’s studies — and supported by a list of 109 signatories, “Ethical Exploration and the Role of Planetary Protection in Disrupting Colonial Practices” lacks technical merit. It is, nevertheless of great clinical interest, as it brilliantly demonstrates how the ideologies responsible for the destruction of university liberal-arts education can be put to work to abort space exploration as well.

>>12415775
>atop talking about Twitter and also Vice and also the PPO
There's a coordinated leftist attack against human space exploration. Stop trying to hide from it.

>>12415792
No there isn’t stop talking about Twitter

>>12415791
>>12415792
Notice how they are trying to push through their anti human spaceflight policies and ideology into NASA via the Planetary Protection Office

But the PPO is in a way holding NASA back, it should be abolished imo, before this infestation can take root

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/planetary-protection-rules-hamper-space-exploration/

>>12415797
>nooooooo you can't just actually observe the world around you!!!! you have to pretend it doesn't exist reeeee!!!
Zubrin is smarter than you. Zubrin agrees with me.
>>12415791

>>12415806
Cool fantasy story
Stop talking about Twitter