/sci/ - Science & Math

By forbidding retards from discussing it.

>>12415172
>believe
I thought the point was that it didn't require belief.

>>12415172
We should unironically censor people who grift or lie, when this is the consequence. What is the point of allowing people to literally ruin our society like this? Democracy cannot work when people are this fucking misled.

>>12415172
Scientists are god. Worship and believe. Have faith!

DO NOT QUESTION OUR SCIENCE. HEATHEN RACIST MISOGYNISTIC SHITLORDS

>>12415178
This. People need to stop fear mongering so everyone can think rationally.

>>12415193
Literally no one says that you can't question scientists. But leave the questioning to people who know what the fuck is going on. Laypeople don't know more about this shit, than people who makes a living studying and researching.
>but muh one-off grifting scientist that says vaccines cause global warming
Look at the consensus you dumb fuck.

>>12415203
>consensus
No such thing should exist in science.

>>12415172
Believe in science!

Science says the earth is DOOMED when the clock runs out (like in the movies!!)

Stand by and wait for the Scientists to tell you who to vote for and where to send your money to SAVE THE EARTH (you're a super hero!)

>>12415207
What do you mean by that?

What needs to happen is rebranding science as pseudoscience, just start with the usual alternative science opening, "those 'scientists' are lying to you, the world really works like this:" and here you just put actual science.

>>12415203
>Literally no one says that you can't question scientists
>But leave the questioning to people who know what the fuck is going on
So don't question and have faith in a closed group of hyper liberal group?

>>12415172
>masks work
Dubious

>>12415248
>hyper liberal group
nice meme

>>12415188
Natural selection. Gullible retards have an disadvantage.

>>12415301
But natural selection doesn't work to our benefit in this situation, the retards probably even procreate more.

>>12415304
Only because the government keeps feeding them, which brings me to my second point. End free gibs. Besides, since the OP is about protection from disease the selection here certainly works.

>>12415172
You dont believe in natural science, you know natural science you midwit DUDE I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE retard.

>>12415321
Shit son, when people are not being fed, that's literally when rioting starts.

>>12415327
Ending gibs does not stop free trade and the production of goods.
It's really just about ending the forced survival of people who would otherwise get filtered by selection. Sounds cruel but what other choice do you have that doesn't involve totalitarianism?

>As a practical matter, science knowledge can help individuals navigate a variety of everyday situations, such as making health care decisions or deciding what to eat.

Ehh bro, I watched this YouTube video, it says we're supposed to be carnivores...

>>12415335
Ending free gibs will fuck up society pretty bad, unless you're rich enough to live in a gated community and not having to interact with the general populace.
Not sure what you would regard as totalitarianism, but I would much rather be middle class in a Scandi country than top 1% in some African one.

>>12415360
I really hope it's of no surprise that more educated people are more educated.

>>12415372
>Ending free gibs will fuck up society pretty bad
Well, it's chemo therapy. A few decades ago this would have been a quick fix but it's much more complex now. People have no savings and the economy is not in a good shape. (too much debt, low yield, bureaucracy bloat). It's a service economy. No one produces anything anymore. Manufacturing has been exported to China. You have to end free gibs, reform education and fix the economy at the same time. It's not possible and not only are people not trying, it actually seems like people are trying to sabotage all of those things. Shits fucked. Either way, you have to make some drastic changes and such changes will always have short term disruptions of some sort. It's a dynamical system.

>>12415447
>It's a service economy
What's the problem with that? Why not specialize what we're good at and leave the manufacturing to China? Smartphones and other shit are WAY cheaper because we send that shit to be produced overseas.

>>12415184
This is only the case when one is actually capable of reading and making an informed decision. The average Burger has the mind of a child and therefore cannot even do something so simple. They will always fall for the most simple of grifters. This board has plenty of examples of this.

>>12415458
What happens when something disrupts that, like say a worldwide pandemic?

>>12415198
In reality we're more like 30 years too late.

>>12415458
It would be more expensive, but instead of funding a totalitarian communistic regime that actually wants you dead you'd create domestic jobs that will help Cleetus pay off his trailer. Now Cleetus is just a unmotivated drunkard without a job who lives off of child support money and other free gibs.

>>12415507
We use all the money we gained from being a service economy and outsourcing to withstand.
Do you think we would have handled it better if also needed to go our factories to work? Don't think that would have spread the virus significantly more?

>>12415172
Not science or math

>>12415335
ending gibs doesn't actually get rid of stupid people. After all it doesn't take much to be a serf at McDonalds your entire life. What it does do is completely destroy anyone who makes a poor financial decision (like trying to attend college if you aren't wealthy) . As well as anyone who has some kind of medical issue etc. Smart people aren't any less vulnerable to this kind of thing, if anything they're more vulnerable.

>>12415517
Yeah well saying that is an excuse for complacency. The sooner humanity goes carbon neutral the more permanent damage that gets mitigated, even in 2020.

>>12415527
I think not having to rely on imports of medical supplies from a country stricken by a rapidly spreading novel virus is a good idea. I think being able to produce our own medical supplies has value beyond the loss in money, because we need medical supplies and should not take for granted to ability to import them in the event of a crisis

>>12415541
>After all it doesn't take much to be a serf at McDonalds your entire life
They might come by but having a bunch of kids is not really an option.
>a poor financial decision (like trying to attend college if you aren't wealthy)
In a rational world you would mostly not be able to make such decisions. Why would a bank give an 18 year old a loan over 50k? Easy question. Because the government backs it. That's the only reason and that's also the reason why college is that expensive. Because everybody will get that loan no matter what.
>As well as anyone who has some kind of medical issue
There's nothing wrong with insurance. Maybe I'm a bit delusional here but I'd expect family and friends to help you out in that case. I wonder how effective a government donation infrastructure for individual cases would be.

>>12415588
>They might come by but having a bunch of kids is not really an option.
yet Africans manage to have like 8 kids each. Poverty increases fertility no reduces it.
>You would mostly not be able to make such decisions
So if you aren't born wealthy education is impossible, as well as class mobility. Sounds great to me!
>There's nothing wrong with insurance.
if you can afford it. What if you can't work?
>family and friends to help you out in that case.
And if this isn't an option? Just die?
> I wonder how effective a government donation infrastructure for individual cases would be.
so Medicare but twice as expensive, with the added benefit you can just be denied for no reason? sounds great you're a genius.

>>12415588
retard american posting retarded american delusions

>>12415203
>You can question scientists but you must be a scientist to question a scientist about science. All others are forbidden to question the dictates of the priests, er, scientists.
You're why the fucking morons at Imperial College have been getting away with their faulty models for so long.

>>12415172
maybe stop using arguments like "scientists are infallible listen to us now or we'll call you an idiot." It just makes people distrust you more when you constantly have to say "just trust me bro"

>>12415621
Imagine being so stupid that you develop hatred for educated people.

>>12415172
You aren't supposed to believe in science. You are supposed to understand the world well enough to logically determine what is true and what isn't because you have experiential knowledge of truth proven through experimentation.

>>12415172
learn some science yourself and pass on scientific thought to your spawn

>>12415203
Really because johns hopkins just pulled an article for literally just showing graphs of CDC numbers and doing some arithmetic

>>12415610
>Poverty increases fertility no reduces it.
It's not just poverty(see Nigeria). It's also education and lifestyle. Lifestyle is somewhat dictated by the environment and even low educated people in the US are surpassing the african average. The (fertiliy - poverty) - trend is weaker in the US anyway and it's not even corrected for cost of living. Rural fertility is higher but wages are lower because cost of living is lower. The inverse is true for urban.
>So if you aren't born wealthy education is impossible
What? Where does it say that? Remove student loan backing and college fees will go back to normal.
>if you can afford it. What if you can't work?
Those are special cases. I don't know if it's still the case but hospitals were not allowed to refuse treatment.
>so Medicare but twice as expensive, with the added benefit you can just be denied for no reason?
I don't know what you're talking about. Nothing of that is in my post.
> sounds great
Thanks.
>you're a genius.
I know.

>>12415709
Oh yeah? You mean the article where she claimed CDC numbers showed deaths were in the normal range, when in fact, CDC numbers show that 2020 has had the highest increase in deaths from one year to the next in the last century? Yeah, she really nailed that one.

Science

>>12415172
Masks don't work
Climate change is an umbrella term for activists to push a litany of bullshit crusades
Vaccines rob people of their fundamental right to evolve as they see fit

Does the HPV vaccine cause increased infertility in women?

>>12415633
Scientists are 10x more reliably than the average person, that's for sure.

>>12415745
So many words when you could've just typed "I'm a retard"

>>12415208
Woah cool
Is there any fun merchandise for this?

>>12415745
>evolve as they see fit
I'd really love to evolve some wings, how do I do that?

>>12415172
Abolish publish or perish.
Paid and appreciated peer-review.
No more career science.
Reject exploitative, retarded, irreproducible etc papers.
Make everyone learn proper statistics.
Make schools great again.

>>12415360
Hispanics can be black or white? Wtf?

>BELIEVE SCIENTISTS
>NO NOT THOSE SCIENTISTS, ONLY THOSE THAT AGREE WITH ME

>>12415727
That's not what she claimed. She claimed the age distribution percentages of total deaths were in the normal range during the worst weeks. Which is weird, and apparently true. And the retraction didn't address it, which is probably why you're misinformed about it. I'm still curious at any rate >>12415780

>>12415172
>my university puts out a mask study
>grad student that ran the study says “we already knew masks worked before the experiment, but we just wanted to make sure”.
>read methods
>they just ran a probability model based on the size of covid virus
>already admitted to being biased towards a particular result so they might as well have just fudged with the code until they got the result that “made sense”.
>anyone that didn’t read the methods will now blindly spew “masks work, trust the science!”

the culture is too low trust right now
theres not enough communication between groups, businesses, leaders etc.

this is the plight of primarily internally competitive cultures

Why trust the science when it's infected with politics to it's very core?

>>12416085
yeah i don't know why the blame is being put on the people
this is completely an institutional problem. they created this dissent.

>>12415213
Phrases like "the science is settled" are antithetical to the basis of scientific understanding.
A billion experiments can't prove a theory right, but a single one can prove it wrong.

>>12415213
a bunch of people agreeing on something doesn't make it right, it just means that's the framework they're collectively entertaining

>>12415517
>we're
name one study you have read ever
>>12415178
>you're you-re the retard
tell me what one fourth of one third of 1/200th of 10^7 is
>>12415188
(you)
>>12415379
cope nigger lover

>>12416161
It just seems like you're complaining about semantics when in reality the reason why we use consensus is because we are making a guess, a probability based on the best available evidence; there will always be uncertainty; but I don't see why would go for the 1/100 chance of being right over the 98/100 chance of being right

>>12416161
people who talk like you have never had a one on one conversation with any university faculty or scientists

>>12415172
>masks
Not science or math.

>>12416231
>hey we have this virus which is spread by particles coming out of peoples mouths
>ok why dont we use this item that allows people to breath but limits air coming straight out quickly
>4chan: NOOOOOOOOOOO REEEE SCIENCE IS A SCAM

>>12416237
>an argument

_____________________


>(You)

>>12416252
you will never be a real woman

>>12416237
>previous studies of mask use during outbreaks of viral respiratory infection fail to indicate any effect
>scaredycats: NOOOOOOOOOOO REEEE SCIENCE IS A SCAM

>>12416256
dilate

>>12416267
I don't use studies to back up my use of masks, I use common sense. It's common sense it blocks sneezes.
>OMG I dont listen to science, i listen to my own experiencEe!!!
>Ok, my own experience and common sense tells me that masks work
>REEEEEEEE NO U CANT DO THAT NOO

>>12416279
I urge you to do a simple science experience
put ur hand infront of ur mouth and blow
put on a mask and do same
see how you feel less air? Amazing, I know.

>>12416284
That's a stupid argument. You still need to breathe the same volume of oxygen, so restricting the flow doesn't change how much you're breathing. When you put on a mask, the air currents will flow out the sides of the mask, rendering it useless, and any restrictions on the flow of air will just result in you taking longer breaths for the same amount of air.

>>12416279
It's common sense that heavy objects fall faster than lighter objects

>>12415527
Yes it would have been handled a lot better, because there would have been no reason for the virus to infect any other country but china if other countries were self reliant. It would only spread more if it entered your country- there is no reason for the USA Or western europe to have to import anything other than raw materials (rare earths for tech), which in no way requires the transfer of people in any form.

I'm not saying you could have no migration- just none during say...a pandemic?

China developed the Wu Tang virus as a bio weapon. Masks don't work because it can not cover the entire surface of your skin.

>>12415172
you can't

>>12416299
No... If I breath and I'm in front of you, the air will go to the side, instead of STRAIGHT at you. There's definitely a difference.
>>12416303
heavier objects DO fall faster than lighter objects without an atmosphere, how does this board have the education of a 3rd grader

>>12415172
You can't and it's worthless to try. There has never been a time in history when normal people believed scientists. Before it was because scientists were always elite. Now, with so much specialization, it's because literally any retard can be a "scientist". Compounding that, the topics concerning today's scientists are orders of magnitude more complex than the problems of the past.

>>12416348
based retard

>>12416348
It's not just to the side. The air current is just as likely from any direction outwards from the mask. That means up, down, left, right. You're still shitting out particles, and perhaps some of them are getting caught by the net but it's all circumstantial. The solution is to duct tape that shit onto your face. Then you can be certain the net is acting as a filter.

>>12416348
Is this a troll?

>>12415172
Eat the bugs
Give up your possessions
Wear the mask
Stop socializing
Have the right political opinions
Trust science
OBEY

>>12415527
Having home industries is better on so many levels.
1) as here>>12416311
2) I know my money is all being invested (essentially) back into my state when I buy a product
3) It increases the set of skills within your nation which increases the net amount of economic activity they can do in the future. eg cars. If you just import cars, all you nation can do is sell the cars (maybe in a convoluted way to employ more people) If you make the cars your nation gains generational experience in: rubber chemistry, materials engineering, design, systems engineering, aerodynamics. Same with any product. The more hard skills you have, the more integrated projects you can do for less money (compared to outsourcing all the skills/ components). Is it any wonder the west is seeing a glut in hard inventive large projects at the same time it decided to ship its labour and production abroad? I think not
4) Hard products just feel better to a lot of people than paper work. Not that that means every worker needs a hammer in hand, but knowing you are working towards an end product that is complex is more satisfying than just shifting one on.
5) Wages less disproportionate. If the people who make and people who sell an item within a state live next to each other they will probably have fairer wages. (Its fine if bezos has more money, but no way in hell is he worth 21 million times more than your average worker) Unionism is just healthy late stage capitalism.

>>12416351
The other problem is that scientists keep talking about things they literally know nothing about, e.g., "health officials" saying racism is a public health crisis and saying it's okay to protest if it's for BLM. It's no wonder that people don't trust scientists.

>>12416391
This exactly
oh yes ""THE scientists""
""THE"" scientists
THE homogonous block of entities called scientists who all think the same.

How is this different to "Think of ""THE"" children"?

You could literally make similar arguments as to why we should always trust politicians or lawyers.

>>12416369
>>12416356
cringe "youre a retard" retard posters
t. literally going to grad school at harvard gsas

>>12416414
>force
Ok, tell me about the acceleration

Start by cleaning house your ivory towers are a corrupt mess with shitty agendas. Death to scientism. Also people will be critical on whatever the fuck they want. Shed your delusions of grandeur, self important dogmatist... majority of people don’t care.

>>12416414
intuitively, heavier objects fall faster and I'll trust my intuition before I trust theoretical numbers on a piece of paper

>>12416414
>t. literally going to grad school at harvard gsas
Only because of affirmation action

>>12416422
F = ma, they are linearly correlated lmao
>>12416429
you will never get into harvard sorry bud

>>12416414
ah yes it falls 0.00000000001% faster. Let me know when you can reliably measure that difference

>>12416372
t. American

>>12416431
Im not black or hispanic or islander or lgbtq etc
>noooo anyone who is better than me got affirmative action!
lmao'ing at modern white people

>>12415172
Masks work.
>But aren't remotely as important as social distancing or isolating.
Climate change is real.
>But it's debatable whether human activity is solely responsible and whether the extreme measures proposed are necessary.
Vaccines are effective.
>But it's not unreasonable to consider staggering a child's vaccination schedule slightly or holding off on signing up for a vaccine developed in six months with minimal testing.
Trust scientists.
>But don't be afraid to question them or ask to verify their results.

>>12416435
If m1 is Earth, then m1 is a constant mass. If you double the mass of m2 then according to your retard logic it should fall twice as fast at the same r value. But I"m going to explain to your retard brain why that isn't true.
As you cleverly pointed out, F = ma. If you have twice the amount of force given by Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation, then with twice the mass it literally cancels out and you get the same acceleration for both objects.

>>12416441
Vaccines cause autism

>>12416453
Based
Autism is an (inflammation) immune response

>>12416435
I am the culmination of evolution for thousands of ancestors before me, and they didn't need any of that. Their intuition worked, and here I am.

>>12416450
You will never be successful
You will never be in the 1%
No one will ever take your opinion seriously
You will never be like me, about to graduate with a masters from harvard with a side business with 3.5 million customers, 7 papers published, two in neurIPS, and a wall street job lined up doing quant analysis, and a 8.5/10 rich foreign exchange student gf
Im sorry anon, if you cant understand middle school equations, idk what to say

>>12416441
Most scientists are shills
> I wont trust them
Trusting science is not that same as complying

>>12416453
>>12416469
Americans

>>12416495
>Americans
The object of all European obsessions.

>>12416505
>mentions Europe out of nowhere
Ob-SESSED

>>12416525
>no u
As expected. Looks like I've got a sensitive spot.

>>12415172
Honestly it grinds my gears just a little when people act like scientists are omnipotent and their word is absolute truth
The entire point is to not trust scientists or any people but instead to trust the process' ability to discover what cannot be true

>>12416535
But you literally mentioned Europe out of nowhere and this is a thread about America. I know it's hard but use your brain.

No one in this thread gonna mention the massive failure to replicate issue, or just assume everyone knows those fields aren't real science? Cause everyone doesn't know that, and that might be a good place to start

>>12416541
Du gamla du fria du fjällhöga nord,
Du tysta du glädjerika sköna,
Jag hälsar dig värnaste land uppå jord,
Din sol din himmel dina ängder gröna
Din sol din himmel dina ängder gröna
Du tronar på minnen från fornstora dar,
Då ärat ditt namn flög över jorden,
Jag vet att du är och du blir vad du var,
Ja jag vill leva jag vill dö i norden
Ja jag vill leva jag vill dö i norden
Jag städes vill tjäna mitt älskade land,
Dig trohet till döden vill jag svära
Din rätt skall jag värna med håg och med hand,
Din fana högt din bragderika bära
Din fana högt din bragderika bära
Med Gud skall jag kämpa för hem och för härd
För sverige den kära fosterjorden,
Jag byter dig ej mot allt i en värld,
Nej jag vill leva jag vill dö i norden
Nej jag vill leva jag vill dö i norden

>>12416573
Lol.

>>12415172
actually use the scientific method

>>12415203
"consensus" is very easy to fake. the 97% consensus of climate change was just 20 scientists extrapolated out

>>12416599
?

>>12416599
Climate change is just emergency socialism

>>12415172
>science
>believe
I don't think you understand what science is
>trust scientists
Which scientists? The ones that say what you wan them to say? No, I imagine he wants us to trust the scientists that Epstein has pictures of fucking kids. Yah no I'm not """""""trusting""""""" anyone, no thanks.

>>12416441
This. There's always a 'but' or an asterisk or a caveat to these things.

>>12415172
>Masks work
In the appropriate situations with the appropriate mask. Otherwise, they don't work.
>Climate change is real
Yes. It's occurred consistently for the past 500 million years.
>Vaccines are effective
Depends on which vaccine. It also depends on what you're talking about when you say "effective." Effective at what? Flu vaccines for example aren't that effective when it comes to preventing the flu as there are often strains of flu that are not predicted when the current vaccine was made. They also don't last very long.
>Trust Scientists
They have a long track record of being wrong about a variety of things then having to change their opinions after a study or experiment sheds sufficient doubt on their beliefs. At best, they have a current model they work from and end up replacing that model later when the current one is proven to wrong to be sufficient for them anymore. If you understood this, you wouldn't trust a single scientist. It's anti-scientific to say that you should trust scientists.

>>12416745
>Yes. It's occurred consistently for the past 500 million years.
Climate change is a term generally understood to mean the unprecedented human impact on the climate.

>>12416801
>unprecedented
It's happened before.

>>12416831
How do you know what I'm referring to?

>>12416801
Pretty much any change to the climate you could be referring to has happened already. From molten hell world to ice all over the place to jungles practically at the poles

>>12416441
funny I have been saying all of this precisely here for years and all the drooling retards on this board called me pol and schizo for it. It is amazing how stupid people attack others for saying things that go against what they perceive to be their tribal consensus no matter how mundane and reasonable it is

>>12416853
"Pretty much" doesn't sound very confident. I'm more skeptical of armchair experts than actual climatologists who have done the work and just happen to be lying about the same conclusion.

>>12416872
I guess actual climatologists don't believe in the paleocene–eocene thermal maximum, the hadean period, or snowball earth. About the only thing I can imagine us doing to climate that hasn't been done before would involve massive and ongoing use of nuclear weapons until the atmosphere is radioactive soup. But that is rather far fetched so I said pretty much any change you could be referring to. But if that is what you're referring to, congratulations, you got me.

>>12415172
Improve education, people can be misled because they don't understand those things at all. Also have strong outspoken leaders advocating for science, it is like religion now where it has to compete for the people's belief.

>>12415172
Why should we?

>>12415172
who's science?

Mask don't work.
Climate change is a holocaust.
Vaccines are effective at brian damage.
Trust scientists to lie to you.

>>12416867
All of those points are purely posturing, don't add anything to the conversation, and are ultimately meaningless. Everyone already knows that, and they don't change how we should act.

All narratives should be questioned, regardless of how much evidence there may be in support of that narrative. And the challenging of a narrative is not a one time event, it should happen constantly. Consensus should not be a thing, ever. Lack of a devils advocate turns theory into dogma and dissenting opinion into heresy.

>>12416133
If we, as a species, repeat an experiment for hundreds of fucking years, and get the same result, then it's pretty settled innit? fuck. it's about practicality after a certain point

>>12415745
>people
>evolve
kek

>>12416133
Yeah but you'd be a complete idiot to argue without actually doing that one experiment.

>>12415482

By waiting for boomers to die and kneecapping the RNC until they're never relevant again.

>>12418300
>still sucking institutional dick in 2020

>>12415172
The vast majority of people don't have independent, novel thoughts. Even most scientists, and definitely most politicians. Also this isn't science or math, and doesn't belong on this board.

>>12415188
Then Democracy has never and will never work.

>>12417372
The same people trying to get people to Trust The Science(tm) have been trying to improve education for decades. How has that gone?

>>12415172
Oh I believe in science alright. What I don't believe is for-profit companies using highly experimental methods to rush out a vaccine for a virus that has a marginal effect on the population yet sensationalist media brands as the end of the world.

>>12415255
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

>>12418496
>has a marginal effect on the population
>marginal
>>>12404563

>>12418509
>a tweet that is pure speculation and fear mongering is "science" now
>TRUST THE TWEETERS
And you wonder why everyone thinks you motherfuckers are retarded

>>12417450
>doing science means actually questioning and exploring ideas
>exploring ideas and alternative explanations is pure posturing
Anon you are kinda retarded aren't you?

>>12418694
>And you wonder why everyone thinks you motherfuckers are retarded
Nice projection, retard.

>>12418735
Not that anon but you're a retard.

>>12418762
If you think Long Covid isn't real you are a retard. Retard.

>>12415172
>trust scientists
trust isn't part of the scientific method

>>12415172
>How Do We Get The American Public To Believe In what the media and selects to be Science?

FTFY

>>12418770
By the same criteria we also have long flu, long common cold, long pneumonia and so on.
Truth of course is that your intellect is long gone

>>12416573

>>12418800
>By the same criteria we also have long flu, long common cold, long pneumonia
And we do. It goes by the name of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. CFS is essentially a post infection syndrome. Not all people get it after an infection, of course, but the worse the infection the higher the proportion of people who get it. Long Covid is probably just CFS plus some organ damage specific to Covid. Long Covid was "predicted" by CFS communities since at least March, and lo and behold, here it is.

>>12418825
cringe nothing burger. the sky isn't falling chicken little tranny

>>12418852
>Muh tranny

>>12416573
Baserat HE FU SE

>>12415172
itt
>burger "education" system

People have no problem believing that iphones exist.

I only trust engineers.

>>12418870

>>143057547
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>>12418923
>I'll post a funny meeeeme, that'll show him
Meanwhile in the real world:
https://bmcneurol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2377-11-37
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7127710/
https://erj.ersjournals.com/content/erj/24/3/436.full.pdf
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/415378
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/70863/WHO_CDS_CSR_GAR_2003.11_eng.pdf

These papers are about SARS, see if you find any analogies to what is happening today.

>>12418980
fuck yo stupid pdfs you fucking nerd HAHAHAHA nerd! nerd! nerd!nerd!

>>12415172
You have much more to fear than science skeptics. You are going to get genuine Imperial Law back at this rate. When the great politicians and Generals call for soldiers and citizens alike to "throw off their chains," it is going to matter if you have spent your youth chasing sex and drugs or if you have been living healthy and forming strong communities. All this butthurt because they are afraid of taking your barely tested vaccine might just get you overthrown. It is strange to outside observers to see you move so quickly and angrily. Did all your script writers die off so you had to put the interns on the job? You don't even seem to know how to stir up common white people.

>>12415360
who would've guessed that more educated people have more knowledge than less educated people

>>12415188
I see the europoors are here to play.>>12415203
>global warming omg lol

>>12415172
By not being a self rightous check-mark with "gotcha" statements. How about we do like we did in the 50's and not try yo get the average layperson to believe fuck all. they just... DID the science and implemented shit. Why do i care what becky who works at Sephora thinks about climate change. Enjoy life fags I'll be building my life support bunker.

>>12415172
Believers like op must gtfo from science.

>>12415172
The simple answer is to teach people how to learn and think and not how to regurgitate facts and figures with no understanding.

>>12418236
retard

>>12419065
>The simple answer is to teach people how to learn and think
Most people can't.

>>12415172
>don't be sceptical
Isn't this mindset the antisisis to scientific thinking in general. The burden of truth is on the claimant. If a wide portion of people don't believe it, its because you failed to convince them. Not there failure to be convinced.

>>12419041
>german text
>russian translation
nice one

>>12415172
>believe in science
Science isn't believed. It is KNOWN. Big fucking difference.

>>12419072
They can, it's just education is so shit that even as adults they don't understand the basis of logical thinking, deduction, falsifiability and how science actually works. id be a fucking millionaire if a had a quid for every time i've had to explain basic mathematics to people in an intuitive way so that they understand why and watch the lightbulb turn on in their heads something they never understood suddenly become a simple matter of logic.

>>12419102
my dude 90 percent of the people on this fucking board cant use simple logic. There are only 2 or 3 people on this entire board at any one time that drooling fucktards

>>12419102
I hope you are right anon

>>12419110
*that arent

I am genuinely astounded every time I come here at how fucking stupid that people here are

>>12419110
it is because this is easily the youngest board. Out of the other boards you would expect to have a serious discussion on anyhow. Young people do not have life experience so they are too trusting in institutions and perceived authority. they take things that are only to be considered as gospel and ridicule grown ups who know better. I don't think they are all as stupid as you imply just a lot of young dumb asses

>>12418980
I was a trained biologist. Most of all enviromental research is based in pre-formed opinions of the author. And they are not even trying to debate. Just say: "human bad, climate change will doom us all". And no fucks given to truth.

Because science nowadays is jsut a way to validate the political agendas of the corporate and organization funding it.

>>12415203
>Literally no one says that you can't question scientists. But leave the questioning to people who know what the fuck is going on.
So your message is “we’re not telling you you can’t question us, we’re just telling you you can’t question us unless you’re one of us”. Do you really not see the blatant elitism and hypocrisy in that?

>>12419136
I meant to add places like pol, his, lit and even tv have older adults to help guide and keep the idiots in line and offer some wisdom to the idiots. Not many adults want to come here because of how these dumb asses act and never listen. too much ego

>>12415172
Masks don't work though.

Your cloth and loose fitting "surgical masks" are shit at stopping anything.

>>12419148
I think there is a considerable number of legit autists that come here as well just for the math. Challenging authority and dogma makes them have a meltdown

>>12419110
>>12419114
it's not a matter of cant, it's a matter of won't or don't know how to. Sadly for the most part its not an everyday useful tool in the economy, you don't need logic to work on a computer in an office, you don't need it to operate a cash machine, you don't need it lay bricks. That's why it's such a rare thing. it's also why you get threads like this promoting blind scientism, because to most people they don't know or need to know how science works to live their lives. To a person on the street science may as well be as arcane as God is to them.

>>12419148
>pol, his, lit and even tv
I take frequent leaves from this Godforsaken website and every time I return here the quality goes down. Pol is essentially nazi reddit and sci is one of the lowest IQ boards. Believe it or not pol used to be interesting, even if 90% of it was pure cancer. Now it's like 99.5% cancer. And nowadays /g/ is better than /sci/.

>>12419171
Yes, we told you fags the NPC meme is real. Most people have no thoughts outside of "this is what I meed to do to get what I want". They were dropped into a reality with no knowledge how anything really works and only figured out to get what they want within that reality with no regard to how it works, who made it work that way and why and their eyes glaze over if you talk about it. The Jews have always known this since the ancient world and no exactly how to play them. Psycopaths run this world and everything is a scam and social engineering for a specific purpose they have had planned for 1000's of years

>>12419183
well that is mostly because of the shills that flooded the place in 2016. they just say stupid shit and try to instruct any intelligent conversation

>>12419197
obstruct

fuck I hate phone posting

>>12419183
/sci/ is a shithole because it's full of wannabe ivory tower types and pseudointellectuals circlejerking themselves and thinking there somehow part of "the intellectual elite". Their far more occupied with proving there smart to others than actually discussing things that interest them.

>>12415759
>durr people should be allowed to abuse terminology to push whatever they want without question

>>12419188
>>>/his/9950049

>>12415360
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/quiz/science-knowledge-quiz/
Frankly anyone who didn't get at least a 9 should be shot.

>>12415198
Ah yes, politicians.

>>12419889

>>12420187
>Blacks score worse for each question than any other demographic
Imagine my shock.

>>12419229
blessed thread mate

>>12420221
I'd like to know where they got the race data, since they didn't ask me about my skin color.
did they use to ask that question, or does that data come from a different poll with the same questions?

>>12415360
>7.4
>7.6

>Masks work.
No
>Climate change is real.
Yes
>Vaccines are effective.
Yes
>Trust scientists.
No

>>12416014
link my nigga

>>12416133
No. Some science IS settled. There will never be a scientific discovery that will make the world flat. There will never be a scientific discovery that will make the Sun orbit the Earth. There will never be a scientific discovery that will prove evolution false. There will never be a scientific discovery that will prove plate tectonics wrong. There will never be a scientific discovery that will prove humans aren't causing climate change.

These issues ARE SETTLED. We have far, far, far, FAR too much evidence proving them to be true. We cannot ever go back on them. We will discover things in the future that will change our understanding of how the Earth orbits the Sun or how evolution functions, or particulars on how climate change will affect the planet or how climate change is affected by nature but there will be no science that undoes these things. We can only go forward.

>>12415172
Idk maybe stop lying about everything for your own deluded motives

>>12415172
We make them have option to have opinion, which can be different then refusal. It's obvious they refuse when science cannot agree.

Maybe it's their time to pick a side. Trust me, one individual cannot verify even that earth is not flat by scientific method, and your implanted unprecedented trust in authorities is maybe harmful to society.

Scientist makes errors even the best ones, and even the best ones only know current scientific consensus, but there's always option to make breaktrough, if somebody doesn't trust it fully and sustain a critical out of box thinking that doesn't agree with consesus.

>>12416473
LOL, nigga you were obliterated by a highschool physics problem. How does it feel to be a seething, coping brainlet?

>>12420411
>Climate change is real
yes, the climate changes. are humans capable of changing the climate so much that it leads to our destruction? no

Why would we want people to unilaterally believe science? The only way we can move forward it by people critiquing method/results. Also, stop making science political.

>>12420454
The climate changes, of those changes there is a degree that humans are responsible for. Climate change is a bad word because it creates an umbrella effect where one can place anything they dislike underneath the umbrella in order to attack that thing they dislike. You must be specific when you refer to X having an effect on Z because Y. Climate change as a phrase means nothing.

>>12415172
We dont. We just side with China and let them exterminate you mutts.

>>12420447
you can prove it by flying in a plane mate

>>12420430
What if simulation theory is true, and at some point in the future the simulators change parameters so that the earth is flat?

What if simulation theory is true and everything before 12,000 BC was created as starting conditions, with simulated evolution proceeding from there?

>>12420430
Alright but see "settled" will change it's meaning until the point that it includes virtually anything. We can see this in action right now.

>>12420430
>No. Some science IS settled
dude you live in a non-static system
the system changes, your perception of the system also changes
empiricism is a meme
at best you can express the trending behavior of something relative to your perception, housed within the borders of the language you've created to express it

take your I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE shit elsewhere
that's nu religion for atheists

>>12420430
>We can only go forward.
2D thinking

>>12415229
Funny thing is this would actually work, the people who start these antiscience movements that eventually spread to the laypeople are just contrarians, make them believe that they are being different and you can make them believe whatever you want

>>12419229
>>>/his/9953894
>>>/his/9953927
>kaporos
What the actual fuck? I knew Jews had a lot of mental disorders from inbreeding but holy shit what the actual fuck is wrong with these people? Voltaire was right, the Jews will cause the next human extinction event/apocalypse

We get a drooling retard to exposit it. That seems to do it for Americans. Make sure he expresses his love for guns and freedom.

>>12420700
Americas guns and freedom is what keeps your stupid ass from living in the stargate timeline being a human sacrifice for psychopathic Jews you mentally retarded faggot.

>>12419889
Got 10 because I know fuck all about antacids

Could determine it was Neutral or Bases and took a 50/50 shot

Got it wrong

>>12419148
>>12419183
/tv/ is so high IQ and based because 80% or more of the posters are xoomers

>>12415172
I guess we'll just have to stop inserting our political opinions into our research...

>>12415188
Okay, what infallible human being do you have in mind to be the arbiter of truth?

>>12420965
What do you mean "we" anon? You're not a scientist.

>>12420977
I volunteer

>>12420980
I'm more than just a scientist

I'm a member of the LBTGQIAX community

>>12420987
>LBTGQIAX
They are going to run out of letters soon or later

>>12421011
No letter shaming

>>12420981
I volunteer to take a fat shit in your retarded mouth. you can't even understand something as simple as first cause like most of the other morons on this board

>>12421048
Ur mom is a fag

>>12421011
Hopefully some day we'll have a LGBTQIA-BBQ

>>12416453
>>12416469
Only MMR vaccine increases likelihood of autism and only in niglets.
https://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-16

>>12419889
>>12415360
The nog score was expected but
>postgrad
>9.1 average on this 4th grade shit
What the fuck.

>>12415203
The thalidomide tragedy shows medicines gross incompetence. No one questioned it not even the doctors. Then who is left to question it ? You are ultimately responsible for what you believe in and it’s consequences and science has been wrong before

>>12415172
promote it respectfully and in a detailed way and not by soiboys and jewed media outlets

Science let itself get co opted by politics and retards and now no one takes it seriously (for good reason).
>masks
literally zero conclusive study shows it to be effective
>vaccines
no one ever had a problem with vaccines. they are worried about glysophate to which there has been no actual response
>climate change
meaningless blanket term to roll out carbon tax which will be imposed and collected by the oil companies but paid for by middle class.

>>12415198
whelp, we missed the deadline; better restart those coal plants since it doesn't matter now

>>12415641
They each hold their own opinions thinking they are a monolith is naive

>>12415229

Perhaps teach them science without conflating your political delusions at the same time. People grow to hate science because their teachers were faggot douchebags that never shut the fuck up about the petty reality they live in.

Did all the shills abandon the board or did the people on this board grow up and mature over the last month? A thread like this would have been a symphony of retards only a month ago flinging shit but the post in it are actually fucking reasonable and not moronic for once. The shills being gone makes me nervous. Why did they leave?

>>12416414
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the masses for both objects are on the right hand side of that equation...

People say global warming isn't real because only some parts of it are legitimate while other parts are political, and when people get angry at people for saying global warming isnt real they are being intellectually dishonest because they know that person is protesting against political corruption, as the woes of nature are blatantly obvious and need no expression.

>>12416853
What about "humans pumping hundreds of millions of tonnes of CO2 equivalent gases into the atmosphere per year, every year for the last 200 years"?

>>12421450
I can the discord and leftypol trannies leaving because the election is over but jews and glowies not being here is a bit disturbing. It would imply they either feel like they have lost this website because the heroes of /pol/ vanquished them or they don't care what people here think anymore because they have some crazy shit planned with this vaccine and the after math

>>12421489
I can see*

fucking phone

>>12420896
Anon...

>>12421466
Happened at 100000 times the rate during earths more volcanic periods

>>12416473
Post papers or GTFO faggot, if you were really that successful you would be so assblasted that some guy on the internet pointed out you're too fucking retarded to understand a basic concept.

>>12421544
wouldn't be*

Stop lying thats a start

>>12416303
Ironically, more massive objects fall marginally faster in atmosphere depending on distance from the Earth than less massive objects. Since more massive objects are "heavier" under the effects of gravity, it is in fact the case that "heavier" object falls faster than "lighter" objects. Sure, the difference is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10^-15 m/s average velocity, but they do fall marginally faster.

>>12415172
Kill lobbyists that poisoned the well

>>12420454
>our destruction
Ive Never claimed that but it will destroy many ecosystem and fuck bio diversity and drive shitskins to migrate to more temprate regions

>>12415729
He actually looks trustworthy unlike these cocksuckers

Honestly make critical thinking a major class like math, history, ect teach about fallacy from grade 3 onwards and have debate classes from grade 6. Honestly I never had fallacies ever brought up in a classroom setting until my 2nd year of college pretty ridiculous imo

>>12415839
oh God I lol'd so hard at that graph. well meme'd anon. Too bad the purple and yellow death rates weren't higher. Hopefully they will get a lung infection from the bacteria in their masks

>>12421740
purple and green I meant kek

>>12421700
pinker eventually called bullshit on epstein

>>12416414
Yale is better

>>12415172
>masks work
Perhaps
>climate change is real
Yes, but is not caused by humans
>Vaccines are effective
Yes
>trust the scientists
Yes, but not when it comes to governing lockdowns etc.

>>12415172
Believing in science would mean racially segregating education (because there is no way Africans can compete with whites and east asians) and initiating eugenics.

>>12422318
NO NOT THAT FUCKING SCIENCE (((progressive))) science only! something, something /pol/ etc ad nauseum

maybe we should restructure (decomplexify) society in a manner that it is not dependent on science-trust.

Castrate those that don't.

>>12422359
I am down for this, right after the atheists, communists and trannies

>>12415184
You clearly don't understand what the word belief means.

>>12415482
>The average Burger has the mind of a child and therefore cannot even do something so simple.
>t. average burger

>>12422367
None of those things even affect you. Are you some kind of faggot?

>>12415172
>Make science into an article of faith and political agenda
>People stop believing in it
>OMG how do we make people believe our lies?!

>>12422933
>communists
Tried to take over the world, wanted to implement their murderous ideology in every country.
>Trannies
Killed free speech in half a decade because it was sexist and non-inclusive
>None of those things even affect you
If I run a WW2 bombing campaign over your hometown and your house isn't directly hit by a bomb you're still affected.

>>12415203
Typed like someone who has zero experience in academia. Any critical thinking academic should know scientific consensus does not mean shit

Expel the fucking technocrats. Until these authoritarians stop using credentialism as an excuse to solidify control, "science" will continue being politicized.

>>12423129
>expel technocrats who value meritocracy
>yeah this will stop pseudoscience and politics from seeping into science

>>12423970
Well what fucking suggestions do you have?!

>>12423976
Increase technocratic tendencies. Most people who know actual science easily see through the bullshit pushed by tranny lefties and retarded polfags

>>12423987
Choice fatigue. You are going to see diminishing returns.

>>12415360
wtf science is racist now

>>12420430
them issues are not settled science can never settle an issue, all science is is a set of deductions and extrapolations used to explain. there are perfectly working models for geocentrism that can explain the movements of the planets and sun with Earth in the center they are just way more complicated and contrived than N body physics and as the old saying goes the hypothesis with the least assumption is probably the correct one until evidence is found directly contradicting it.

>>12415172
>masks work
Depends on what your standard for something that works is. The effect seems to be there but rather limited and the experiments on how much is psychological (being reminded that you should keep distance) or by filtering out virions are yet to be done or inconclusive.
>climate change is real
You don’t say, but few will doubt that the climate isn’t one constant thing. The question is can we predict climate at all to a reasonable degree, because it hasn’t been proven and there are valid arguments why it is impossible. Only if that can be answered we can start to talk about the anthropogenic factor in the macro sense, because there is little doubt local climate can be influenced by humans.
>vaccines are efficient
In this general wording certainly wrong many vaccines were taken of the market because of their unfavorable cost benefit profile. Some are still on the market and have a low or questionable advocacy. Especially since it’s considered unethical to do trials where there is a placebo group once the vaccine is considered to be at least somewhat beneficial and not known to cause serious side effects in most people it’s hard to really tell how much is vaccines and how much is hygiene and less malnutrition etc.
>trust scientists
You shouldn’t trust scientists. The point is that they have to deliver proof and check and be checked and double checked again and again. The overall quality of the scientific knowledge is determined by how much results are tested and by scientists not being forced to come to certain conclusions. Simply trusting in stuff is the most anti scientific thing you can do. This guy has no clue and no insight.

>>12415172
>Public To Believe
That's always a problem.

OP, you have the perfect chance to shut your mouth and let evolution take place. What are you trying to accomplish?

>>12422959
why atheists? why not include fascists? trannies didn't kill free speech singlehandly

>>12423987
Please tell me this is a joke. If it isnt you have to be one of the stupidest fucking faggots on this board. 95% of this board, cinluding your stupid ass, would have called 99% of the posts in this thread schizo,x and pol not even a month ago. You need to drink bleach and die NPC

>>12419889
If we shoot them who will be janitors and do manual labor? let them live and proliferate, that way it is easier for me to be in the 1%.

>>12419183
you would think a science board is the best place to discuss alternative explanations and new ideas but this fucking board is a shithole and it is the exact opposite. The people on this board are drones and if you cant site a masonic approved textbook these dumb fucks can't process it. This is the exact opposite of science, it is memorize and mimic

>>12424350
Being the king of a trash heap still means living in trash.

>>12424960
But you a king my nigga

>>12415620
Based af

>>12415745
>Vaccines rob people of their fundamental right to evolve as they see fit

Your argument lost all credibility with that dimwitted statement.
You'll never be a real woman, faggot. Oh and almost forgot, kys

You guys are just buttmad that Jesus no longer works so you thought fucking particles would work better lel

>>12419209
It’s like you intentionally used the incorrect there every time dumb fucking nigger

>>12425094
What a stupid post you've made you retarded fag

>>12415188
Why would anyone ever let that happen?

>>12420977
google will be the arbiter of truth (unironically and i support it)

>>12421402
Don't forget that postgrad includes people from meme shit like
>women's studies phd

>>12415172
Stop the ideological possession of science by far leftists, so people can believe that it isn't compromising on facts for ideology.

>>12415172
Start having scientists only tell me what I want to hear. THEN I'll start believing them.

>>12420652
>>12424095
So, despite all the evidence we currently have you believe that some day there could be a discovery that will cause us to realize the Earth is flat?

Here is a seismologic image of a plate literally subducting under Japan. Do you believe that science will one day discover that there's no such thing as plate tectonics? Or do you accept that we have far too much evidence now to ever develop another theory on crustal movement of the Earth?

>>12425758
>far leftists

Calling people 'far left' is an effort to delegitimize people who's ideology you disagree with. True 'far left' exists, they are people that believe we need to abolish property, eliminate all state governments, and live in communes. I don't think you have ever met such a person, I know I haven't.

What you call 'far left' are people who want universal health care, improved conditions for the working class, increased taxes on the rich, and equality under the law. At best the most 'far left' you've ever met would be a secular humanist.

Here's a video for other people, I know you'll never watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULYWIDcUOY4

>>12415172
Science is not a belief system.

>>12420430
>There will never be a scientific discovery that will make the world flat.
The measurements to determine the shape of the earth are based in science, and if science discovers that there is something so fundamentally wrong with our measure it can result in a flat earth.
>There will never be a scientific discovery that will make the Sun orbit the Earth.
see above
>There will never be a scientific discovery that will prove evolution false.
The theory of evolution explains the origins of species on Earth, but the discovery of alien biology can throw all kinds of unexpected problems at evolution that can disprove it.

>>12415752
>scientists are superhuman!
No, not really. To give one example there's a very important replication crisis going on right now because researchers can't adhere to proper scientific practice when their own biases/personal profits are in the line.
Specializing yourself to the point that borders autism in one branch of knowledge doesn't make you any less infallible and vulnerable to manipulation than the rest of the planet. Scientists and doctors are still normal flawed humans, and the fact some consider them above that is very dangerous.

>>12425807
>the leftard projects as he strikes you
Yah you idiots didnt in any way start all of this calling everyone Nazis, white supremes, racist, Islamaphobes, homophobes, and TERFS. Your entire ideology isnt built upon inviting new words to attack just normal everyday people with to try and force them into conformity into your insane and delusional tranny socialist cult. You are stupid and all of you trannies should be shot. When that happens everything will work itself out natrually

>>12425780
>geocentrism = flat earth
surprise you are a retard!

>>12415527
Hi.
Factory worker here, quality control for making soap and shit.
We actually are right next door to a meatpacking plant that closed, but our plant has confirmed no spread of the 'rona despite people definitely getting sent home when they find out they get it.

>>12425780
>ignores my point
>rants about someting else entirely
>implies that plate tectonics is is proof against flat earth

Il play devil's advocate.
Say I have two pieces of paper on on a table if I push them together one will go underneath the other. That doesn't require a spheroid shape to be explainable you fucking mouth breather

>>12425807
>What you call 'far left' are people who want universal health care,
Britbong here, trust me when I say it's not the panacea you, yanks think it to be, its 90% postcode lottery and bureaucracy for the sake of it add onto that 6+ month waiting lists for routine surgery or even the most basic mental health services.

>Improved conditions for the working class,
as a working class lad from the norf I can tell you now decades to centuries of voting labour have gotten us sweet fuck all, were just a vote farm they took for granted, don't for a second think the Dems don't think of the working class and minorities over there, the working class are just a means to an end to get power and wank each other off.

>increased taxes on the rich
Won't work, the rich will just use tax loopholes or move away leaving the working class again to pick up the lost revenue.

>and equality under the law.
We already have it, people just fucking hate the fact that if your equal you have to compete on equal terms with people who are better or more driven/determined than you. Im a fucking diagnosed sperg former coal mining town colliery lad with brain damage from cancer treatment and I managed to ace a uni entrance course, half the problem with the working class in the west is were content to sit on our arses and moan endlessly about our situation expecting every fucker else to fix it instead of just fucking working, going back to college to learn a trade, or going to uni to get a useful degree. it's not that fucking hard, if the industries are not coming back we need to adapt.

>>12415172
>trust scientists
I have yet to repeat any of my published works to see if I'll get the same results. I wouldn't trust me

>>12415203
>questioning to people who know what the fuck is going on.
And what if they fail to question?

As long as scientists are forced to constantly publish to avoid starving to death, I'll never trust them

>>12415172
You have to touch the sand with intention while near the sea and see it as it washes away and spreads throughout the world and touches the hearts of everyone in the world but this can only be done if all of you try it out!

>>12427056
most aren't, they have jobs in an industry and write papers when something comes up, the ones that write papers for a living are usually working at universities.

>>12420708
Sure it is.

by not telling people science also says men can become women would be a great start

>>12428217
I wish I could go back to being this stupid again, those were the good ole days. being an adult whose smarter than everyone else around is a real burden kids