/sci/ - Science & Math

meh, immortality will just lead to overpopulation problems, and generally a reduced standard of living.

I...just don't see what the point is in living that long.

This world is so depressing, seeing it decay any further would be too much.

There's nothing after death, and that's what I want. No consciousness, no feeling, no memory, just...oblivion.

>>1240850
That's why you have to be in the first wave. Then you have the advantage and can amass wealth. The later waves of immortals will be the peons who labor in the construction of our eternal cosmic empire.

>>1240855
The only reason I'm interested in living longer is to see science advance farther and to see how far humanity gets.

I don't give a fuck about most of humanity, since most humans are retarded and care not about science or human advancement, but of petty religious and political bullshit.

We are going to run out of oil and there will be no energy left to revive you from your deep freeze. Might as well live out the rest of your shitty life with the rest of us

>>1240911
No problem, just demand a refund :)

>>1240864

People implying I am not working on learning about the stock market and how to make tons of money every year. I'm still in early years in high and I swear I will have this sorted when I'm out.

If immortality does become possible, it is highly likely people will lose the need to create offspring. Even if only a small population has children, it will be restricted to one per couple. Religious biggots will probably have to be exterminated because of their desire to shun logical thinking and need to breed excessively. And space travel will advance significantly, opening up an infinite amount of planets, terraforming technology etc. I think we will not find overpopulation to be an impposible issue.

>>1240873
Same here, either immortality or a time machine would be suffice for me

>>1240855
that's what psychotropic drugs are for. feeling a little down and depressed about being immortal? take some drugs.

you'll be feeling great.

>>1240964

Yeah but even though people won't admit it, they don't like the idea of losing their consciousness. What has kept us going so far are gods and fairy tales. This no longer suffices due to advancement of rationality and logic

I would prefer being a bionic human instead of staying fully human and experience genetic modification. Of course the other benefits of being bionic in 2029 is that computers will exede the knowledge of the human brain by then

>>1240821
Fucking just in time for my 42 birthday.

Sounds good to me.

>>1241004
Rejuvenations will make you look like your 20

>My reaction to that guy with a beard.

Stem cells - split indefinately - no cell disfunction because telomes keep genetic material intact and stem cells keep renewing telomes - stem cells can become any cell - win

>>1241038
Bitch please, hes like a British god

Best anime for this shit evar
love bionics, when do I get my nanomachine immune system and rapid self repairing skin epidermis with enhanced muscular strength and photographic memory along with wireless 3d internet and collosal data storage and integration and not to mention immortality

>>1241058
You don't.

>>1241058
20 years for immorality, 15 years for the others

>>1241058
And I follow up with the best game for this ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUBw5-CWw5c&fmt=37

Immortality.
Hmm... would one still be able to die by conventional means like a bullet through the head?

>>1241076
Of course, but 2 thirds of death a day are from diseases. Maybe bullets wont be able to kill in 900 years or so.

>>1241076
External consciousness storage, either by solid storage device or just chuck it on the internet?

But I'll be piss rich with a carbon composite brain case and my consciousness will be behind 7 proxies

>>1241086
Then one is hardly immortal no? Just a bit harder to kill

>>1241091
What happens if your storage units are destroyed then your physical form?

>>1241092
In a way, 90 times harder to kill. True immortality will be in 500 years, which is why they are starting this process now. So they can be alive in 500 or so years

>>1241091
Your mind only behind 7 proxies? Mine will be the standard 7000 proxies

>>1241091
would you be able to end your own existence if you became weary of the world?

>>1241105
no, attempting to do that would be highly immoral and illegal, and it would be punishable by death.

>>1241105
In the future you will be offered to end your life. If you are bored of it you will be uthinzied or something along those lines

>>1241115
What about the zealots and those below average IQ?
Would they also be immortal? seems highly illogical

>>1241121
Probably, because who is going to do the factory work? I highly doubt anyone as intelligent as us would stoop to working in factory's

>>1241121
Zealots would probably be killed or arrested

>>1241121

Well, those people are going to rage if we don't let them be immortal.

But it's okay guys, you have heaven to look forward to!

>>1241129
GTFO THEIST

>>1241125
Inequality breeds hatred.
They would not be content with permanent factory work for all eternity. Most Likely an uprising would ensue

>>1241125
>>1241135
Also, there is more of them than us

>>1241134

When I said "Heaven after you die", the "Heaven" was in massive sarcasm marks.

>>1241135
You make a point, but work will on be 9 hours a day like usual, they will still enjoy everything intelligent people do. Computer chips will cost a dollar or less then. They will be able to afford bionic transplants like everyone. And a eternity of life is a eternity of learning

YOU WANT PROGRESS!?

TOO BAD. HERE NUCLEAR WINTER.

>>1241147
But human nature dictates that everyone wants something more, that people can never be truly satisfied and those people would want to be wealthy and powerful not a minimum wage factory man

>>1241038
where the fuck is this "are you a wizard" guy from?

>>1241154
Factory work isnt minimum wage, my friends make 30 bucks a hour at a factory. Thats about 60 thousand a year. That would be say 1 billion computer chips a year if they are say 1 cent each. As people live intelligence will be gained. Once they can become intelligent enough to help society they choose what else they want to

>Implying all factory work in the future won't be done by robots.

>>1241169
Thats not true though. Robots wont be doing everything. Governments will have to give average intelligent people jobs, or money. Or else they will be a waste of space

>>1241167
Perhaps not, however no one wants to be a peasant. all it takes is one figure of authority to stir the fires of hatred in a few thousand peasants and you have a problem

>>1241169
All the advent of robots will do is push us towards decadence and extinction. Fuck robots

>>1241179
Hm, immortality will give them opportunity. If they don't want to be a peasant they can learn in a specific field. Of course collage will still be in place. And since you really have no ticking clock on life. You can attend collage whenever and choose the field you want to be in

>>1241185
While that could be said about the intelligent members of society, some people are just born stupid. Some people don't want to learn, such as 'gansta's'

>>1241185

Hell, you could be like the engineer from TF2 and have 11 PH.D's. o.O

>>1241188
Then they are unfit for society. Meaning they can be exiled from the civilized worlds. And build there own nation. Or be killed

>>1241193
but then you have 'moralfags' interjecting into an issue they should have no say in.

>>1241193

What the fuck am I reading.

Do we have no respect for personal choices in the future, or no tolerance for stupidity?

>>1241196
Hm, another good point. If they rebel the government will be forced to use lethal force. So its basicly a win,win situation

>>1241198
>tolerance for stupidity
This is what's driving everything down ditch after ditch after ditch TODAY

Why the fuck would we have this in the future?

>>1241198
We are entering a golden age of humanity. We can not afford people who don't want to help society, or learn

>>1241201

Well, I see your point.

But doing what he/you was suggesting seems a little extreme.

>>1241199
Sounds like fascism to me. Is it bad im all for destroying the stupid?

>>1241206
Not really, if they want to learn. Then they can, if they don't then why are they alive?

>>1241207
Who cares? lol Keep the average and above average safe. Since they ENJOY AND APPRECIATE their immortality. And will devote their job placement for the better of society. They will still have freedoms. And the highest tech advancements. And enjoy their time and virtual reality

>>1241218
What if one of high intellect rallied the stupid behind him in an army, used them to seize control of the world? then got revenge on the ex-overlords?

>>1241209

Well, I'm all for not giving them important positions or much say in matters, but I don't think we should banish them from humanity or whatever.

They'd be like pets, they live in our world, but don't have any say in it.

>>1241229
There wont be overlords. Presidents, ect. And only the ones that would rebel and not want to advance their life should leave or die

>>1241230
You

>>1241135
See here

>>1241230
Like a kitty :3. Id have 5 :D lol. Sure but you'd have to give them tech advancements and games ect like everyone else

>>1241234
President, Fuhrer, king, what the fuck is the difference?

I wold say if we were immortal we would make steps to prevent breeding untill we can support it

>>1241238

...

Well, fuck them.

Nobody's stopping them from becoming more intelligent and becoming useful.

Therefore, I don't think they have much of a case.

>>1241230
*slowly realizes this would be the reinstallation of slavery, just not black-only, and every asian ever would have one*

>>1241246
Then you have people screaming that they should be able to do what they want

>>1241242
President is from election. Fuhrer is basically emperor and president , Kind is from monarchy and a royal family

>>1241247
Exactly

>>1241248

It's not the same, because nobody's stopping them from having any sort of freedom. They could choose to be useful at any time, and get the same benefits as everyone else.

>>1241262
true

I actually like the idea :D

>>1241262
Good point

Also what sort of government system would an immortal world have?

Of course by then many things will change. Maybe the world economy will dissolve maybe everyone gets what they want. People work and in return everyone gets everything.

>>1241277
Technocracy, preferably.

>>1241281
Commie scum*mumble mumble*

The initial wave of immortals.
what kind of parameters would have to be met to be eligible? any ideas?

>>1241290
Member of Mensa, nuff said?

>>1241286
Communism works IN THEORY, but as soon as you add human nature it fails.

>>1241286
In a post modern time, that will be better then most ideas of the future. Everyone get everything. A leader is elected and must follow a set of rules to insure no corruption. Everyone gets everything. Living in their own individual house with their spouse. They work same hours for the greater good of the world. They pick anything they want. They take it and enjoy it.

>>1241294
Not really, the first would be the scientists, then others. But it won't be long in between. More like a month or two before a average joe can go get it

>>1241300

Wouldn't you have nobody picking the crap jobs though?

I guess we could have robots fill the vacancies, but that seems like a slippery slope.

>>1241300
You seem to have taken human greed out of the equation, no one can be satisfied. Period. everyone always wants more. Our wants are unlimited whilst our resources are limited

>>1241290
Even then, the Manhattan beach project will be done and will increase life span of anyone atleast a few hundred years.By then the elites will have more then enough time to get it.

>>1241313
Everyone works atleast 1 day a week in a increased labor job. Then it transitions. But thats if communism works.

Of course by adding immorality or a major increase in human life expectancy people would have to stop having children. Maybe mass desterilization?

>>1241332
See here
>>1241249

>>1241332

We could resume our reproduction if we spread to other worlds, though.

There's enough space in the universe for trillions upon trillions of people.

After a while, there won't be an overpopulation problem- we'll be able to upload consciousness, and once we hit that landmark, physical bodies will simply become vessels to interact with the real world.

>>1241349
One major power outage and everyone dies? seems pretty precarious

>>1241341
Indeed, but we would have to leave earth very quickly. We would be keeping a extra 150 million people a year from deaths. Most of them to have kids. = Mas population increase fast. We would have to colonize mars within 50 years of the immorality

>>1241355
>Implying anyone in their right mind wants to live on mars

>>1241354
Maybe, but there will be back up systems ect. Ray kurzwell says they will back up the information.

>>1241360
>the air on mars being alcohol
I know a few.

>>1241349

EMP.

Millions die.

Being in a physical body seems much more secure.

>>1241360
After a bit of tera forming maybe a 100 or so years of it, mars wont be so ugly.

>>1241364
A hundred years is a long time. long enough if the current birth rates keep up to expend all natural resources

>>1241373
Correct, which is why people need to be on mars in that 50 year period after immortality is discovered .

>>1241380
Im sure new navigation systems will be developed which will allow humans to reach new terran planets possibly

>>1241397
I would hope so, anyway im gonna go fap. If your on in like 40 minutes i will resume thread.
By anons

>Implying immortality is profitable and economically sound.

>Implying businesses will ever allow that sort of technology to escape when they make a lot more cash on keeping you in hospitals and treating you for old age.

>>1241425
In a stupid thread, this is one of the stupider posts

>>1241437

Explain to me why anyone in their right minds would willingly release a method of immortality. Hell, I wouldn't do it if I was the one to find it. It's stupid and it'll kill all of us really fast.

>>1241454
>immortality will kill us
H'wat are you smoking, and can you give some of it to me?

>>1241457

Enjoy forcing entire companies out of business and increasing the rate we pollute and consume the planet's resources.

its bullshit. aging is the one human defect and its greatest strength

>>1241520
I'd rather not die, given the choice.
Just sayin'

>Biomechanics
>implying robotic parts are not more primitive than the parts you have now and that it would be a step down.

>>1241536
>our current robotics are shit, so robotics will never exceed what we already have

Nice reasoning.

>>1241543
Prove me wrong. Current robotics aren't even close. In your life time you will never see them used more than for making toyotas and being a shit replacement for veterans whose legs got blown off. Deal with it.

yeah, but you know

>>1241349
So we will be geth?

>>1241102


only 7000? How pitiable. Mine will be behind....

*slips on sun glasses*

over nine thousand.


YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/579

The standing/walking presenter has two artificial feet.

You won't even be able to tell. Thats how natural his gait is.

>>1241595
Easiest shit to do. I want them to try hands.