/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12399918
Every part of society wants women to succeed and wants women involved in their lives.Women are seen as intrinsically valuable just by existing. From the low meat-market of clubs to even social groups catered towards hobbies or athletics, there is always an effort to increase the number of women participating. Nobody wants to be in a sausage-fest, so women will frequently get invited to social events. Also because of their social value, women are more likely to be helped with education and throughout their career. Every guy wants to be that guy who helped out a damsel in distress in her school project, or helped the damsel get better at her job.Most men don't get this extensive social support.Opposite to women, society doesn't want other men to succeed. Naturally, as a single male, most other males see you as a competition, and most females see you as a threat. As a result, most men end up having to learn how to manage everything on their own, and deal with their emotional and sexual needs in ways that don't involve others. Men are much more resilient when it comes to social isolation than women.As a man, you are not wanted in any social circle unless you're either exceptionally talented in something, you're an athlete, or you're exceptionally good-looking.You can also get acceptance into a social circle by being the jokester or the simp, but again you're always seen as a liability, and you are only wanted for what you can provide (emotionally, financially, etc.), and as soon as you express that you have a sexuality the group no longer wants you involved.If you aren't any of those, the easiest way to be accepted into a social circle is to get a girlfriend. Why? A girlfriend is social proof. It proves to the men that you are no longer competition to them, and proves to the women that you are safe because a woman other than them has selected you.

>>12399918
not science
not math
enjoy getting banned

>>12399919
Men with girlfriends consistently have more vibrant social lives than single men.They get easy access to his girlfriend's support group filled with men and women. It can almost be night and day.I've talked to any guys who have been single for a while and finally got a girlfriend, and they told me that after they got a girlfriend, other girls started to talk to him more and be more comfortable around him. He's invited to more places and is generally accepted into a social circle. I've also seen how the lives of men who had girlfriends suddenly became more dull when they break up. He loses access to his girlfriend's support group, so suddenly the girls who were friendly to him aren't friendly anymore, guys in that social circle see him as a threat again, and he essentially regresses back to being on the fringes of society.I never heard of a woman struggling with social skills, even "aspie" girls have great lives. If you go into any high school and go to the popular kids table, lo and behold, they're all good looking. If you go on google and look up "people with autism" and "people with ADHD", which have similar symptoms, you will see that the people with ADHD are also better looking.It's much easier to say that the person "deserves" loneliness for subpar social skills as opposed to being ugly. So social skills is a convenient excuse to ignore ugly men and blame them for their low social standing.

>>12399920
It's anthropology, which is a science

>>12399918
buttz

Why is killing all humans a bad thing again?

>>12399925
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>>12399918
This is actually one of the more "logical" blackpill things I've read OP, keep going. Also where are you stealing this shit from?

>>12399918
How would you tap into this with clan based kin structures?

>>12399918

men tolerate women's crazy shits, that's all.

good thread but have sex

>>12399931
>which is a science
kek

>>12399918
yes, men are want to fuck girls, we get it.

>>12400159
I do have sex, the more you have sex the more you stop idolizing women, that's why eventually you get tired and leave the bitch, then after the dry spell you start idolizing women more and more the more time your dick stays dry, all the Chads are redpilled, you associate the redpill with losers because those are the ones learning and propagating the redpill online, but if you ask your stereotypical alpha jock about women he'll share most views with the incel guys on /r9k/

TL;DR: Simps are the ones whose behaviour is caused by the lack of sex, not redpilled guys

>>12400191
And yet scientists are convinced that women are more social, it isn't true women haven't evolved nothing, they don't need to be pretty and they don't need to be sociable.

Men have evolved to find women attractive and so they'll do all the job for them, we as a collective are programmed to serve women, that's why allying with one (a.k.a. having a girlfriend/really close friend) is the most OP strategy for a man, the more advantages she shares with you the better

>>12400252
You know there's also other cultures like islamic where allying with women will help you lose status. And girls need to be pretty and sociable, otherwise they end up miserable just like mens.

>>12399918
Iv' had a ton pf girlfriends none of them ever got into my social circle or met my friends. They were always more likely to talk to me about their friends and present me.
You shouldnt be wanting a girlfriend for validation or for a social circle.

>>12399918
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>>12400240
Wow, pretty spot on OP

The root issue I think is, like you mentioned, women are seen as intrinsically valuable, men have to prove themselves.

Should all people should be seen as intrinsically valuable, or should all people have to prove themselves valuable? Or something in between?

That's a long way to describe how toxic masculinity fucks over guys

>>12399918
>The fucking monke on his back
Man, the guy is fucking cringe

>>12400482
It's not toxic masculinity, it's human nature

>>12399918
This is weird. I find having a girlfriend has consistently reduced my social life. This sounds like bullshit right off the bat.

>>12399925
My girlfriend used to have a loser simping over her, it was wonderful, he'd drive us everywhere, he'd do our homeworks so we could go out, he'd always give her tickets to events...

Do women really live like this? With losers ready to give them everything in order to have some pussy?

>>12400694
Does your girlfriend have less of a social life than you had before your relationship?

Or does she keep her social life separate from her relationship with you?

>>12400676
It sounds like toxic masculinity. If you stop buying into that shit you'll be a lot less miserable. I have been single for years and have a great social life with lots of male and female friends who feel they can confide in me. If you buy into the whole " its just human nature" trap then its essentially a self fulfilling prophecy of you being lonely because your buying into the idea that men are stoic and don't express themselves and then you wonder why people don't confide in you.

>>12400703
Technically I said girlfriends. That was past tense. its been a while since I've been in a relationship. At the time I think I was cutting myself off from other people and putting thieving into my relationships which in retrospect was a really toxic and immature way to live. I've been single now for several years but I'm a much happier person now that I've learned to be content with myself. I have a lot of male and female friends too. Its easy to blackpill yourself on this stuff but If you do then you're essentially making it even harder to make friends.

>>12400482
Based and redpilled.

>>12399918
What effect will sex robots with working artificial wombs have on gender relations worldwide? Sex robots will be a tangible reality soon enough, so let's try to be serious about it.

>>12400716
>having a social life is easier if you have a vagina (either you're a female or you have a gf)
>having a social life is impossible if you don't have a vagina

Can you tell the difference?

Nobody ever said the second sentence, of course single guys can still have social lives, I just said having a girl is the best shortcut to having a social life if you don't have one

I know that my failures have nothing to do with women and they're all my own fault, yet, I can't help but feel resentful of them. I think I'm unwillingly turning into a bitter incel.

>>12400774
A woman with all of the same faults as you has likely never failed in her life, because she has had every possible social and economic safety net.

>>12400774
I go through cycles, I'm an incel and/or not an incel depending on the time of the year. We should do a /sci/ sex tourism trip to thailand or something.

>>12400786
I dunno man, I think there are plenty of ugly and lonely girls out there, just like us.
>>12400802
It's not even about sex at this point. I'd be content with knowing that someone loves me romantically.

>>12400812
Ah, you're at that stage. You'll get to only caring about sex in a few years bro, hang in there. I was at your stage when I was like 18-19. Also:
>girls
>lonely
Oxymoron.

>>12399919
>As a man, you are not wanted in any social circle unless you're either exceptionally talented in something, you're an athlete, or you're exceptionally good-looking
Those attributes are not all weighted equally. I've been struggling to define exactly how much weight a "good personality" has and how far it alone propels your reproductive success. I think what I've settled on is that good-looking men almost universally recognize how to make their personality more dynamic, for the better, if they have a bad personality to begin with. Ugly men can neither master the right kind of personality changes to implement, nor can they have the fundamental level of motivation necessary to transform their personality in a positive way.

>>12400819
Funny, I'm 25 now and it's been the reverse for me. I used to care about sex when I was around 18.

Just FYI He never has sex with any of those girls. He pays professional models to pose with him.

>>12399918
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>>12399925
This bullshit is what happens when people abandon religion.
Listen you retards, every single Chad and Stacy alive today will be decomposing underground in at most 60 years.
God put us on this Earth to do good and earn a place at his side in heaven. Everything you see around you is secondary to that.

>>12400850
Religion sounds like a wonderful cope, I wish I was a believer

>>12400819
>You'll get to only caring about sex in a few years bro, hang in there
implying that this is a desirable result

>>12400812
There are ugly and lonely girls out there, but they are much less than ugly and lonely boys out there, attractive women outnumber attractive men 4:1 (attractiveness here is judged by the opposite gender, so 80% of women are attractive because men are attracted to them and 20% of men are attractive for the same reason, no incel percentiles here)

>>12400850
>religion
>on /sci/

>>12399918
>Women don't actually have better social skills
Of course not. There was an experiment where scientists wanted to see whether testosterone actually made you aggressive. Instead, they found that testosterone makes you more socially intelligent. You're more likely to help others and take responsibility with higher t.

>>12400960
source

Why does /sci/ need to remind me how much of a failure I am?

>>12400917
>attractive women outnumber attractive men 4:1
Isn't that some bullshit statistic derived from dating apps like Tinder? That doesn't necessarily translate to the real world.

>>12401005
Anon, ~50% of relationships are now formed through dating apps. The social dynamics of dating apps are now the social dynamics of society in many many places.

>>12400960
>testosterone makes you more socially intelligent.
This sounds fucking retarded.

>>12401005
>That doesn't necessarily translate to the real world.
Dating apps are part of the real world.

>>12401016
>>12401044
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt8JMQUoKto
Tinder and its copycat dating apps legit need to be abolished.

>>12401055
>Tinder and its copycat dating apps legit need to be abolished.
B-but muh freedumbs.
>Meanwhile Chang and Shlomo are furiously rubbing their hands
Unless a miracle happens the west is toasted

>>12401067
Islam is our only hope.

>>12401055
I'm sure that's a good documentary and all but holy fuck the narrator is annoying with his memes and meme works like "manosphere," and background music and bleak tone trying to elicit an emotional response before even stating any facts. Ironically, very similar to how women make their money online.

>>12399918
Now that may be the reality, but asking seriously, is there some method we could use to level the playing field? To either increase our market value with less effort or decrease theirs.

Now hear me out, for example the stupid OnlyFans and whatever dating apps provide them with a set of suitors and incels willing to pay with just a click. That gives them monetary advantages that a male just doesn't have access to. Could there be some tech or social construct that could give males the edge too? Like something that gave us crowds of females wanting something from us and willing to pay money to get it. Gene farms? Something else?

>>12401170
Yes, there could actually.
1. artificial wombs
2. proliferation of affordable cloning options for commoners
One or either of these things coming into existence would be perfect. If only artificial wombs, imagine just getting an egg donor and then not having to pay for a surrogate, and then you have a family. Alternatively, even if you have to pay for a surrogate, imagine having a kid that is 99.99999 percent genetically identical to you and getting a pretty much guaranteed strong family bond assuming you're a decent father.

>>12401170
>Social construct
Monogamy anon, you're thinking of monogamy. If men agreed to put a ring on the first woman they were in a relationship with and also not fuck married women, we wouldn't have these fucking problems because there are more women than men and the crunch in the number of available men would force women to become more equitable in their selection of partners. Gina may want Chad Chaddington, but if he's already married Stacy and never meets with her without Stacy in the room too, then she'll move on to Brad Braddington.

>>12400768
That may actually give us an advantage. Women so far have the advantage of providing pussy and sometimes company. If a robot can fulfill those needs their market value will drop.

>>12401184
That could work well.

>>12401188
Yeah but the thing is modern women are too degenerate after having a taste of true freedom that now everyone's a roastie and they publicly decry traditional women as "lame" or "old fashioned" which only servers to bully them into degeneracy. I think it's a pervading social issue and we would need to put massive effort towards changing it. And we would face resistance from all the "liberated" women who don't want to lose their crowd of incels that give them easy money.

I think there may be some other less direct method to change the playing field. Anon >>12401184 gave some good ideas. I think maybe that coupled with >>12401191 would lower their market value.

>>12400695
>Do women really live like this? With losers ready to give them everything in order to have some pussy?
Yeah

>>12401199
It's not about traditional women. It's not like every married woman is going to become a lesbian just to cheat on her husband. If men all agreed not to have sex with women out of wedlock or with women they didn't have established relationships with, this wouldn't be a problem. Women can't unilaterally fuck you without drugging you or holding you at gunpoint. If a woman you meet in a bar wants to come over to your place and let you slam her pussy instead of just giving you her number and you meet for coffee later that week, say no.

>>12401215
I have a sister and can confirm. Hell, half of the electronics I own was donated to my sister by some chump.

>>12401217
>implying I go out at all
Problem is, I may not do it but there are hundreds of thousands of simps out there. Convincing them is the issue, if we didn't have the reach of technology that OnlyFans and Tinder provide we wouldn't have this problem. We need some method to disrupt that logistic chain or make it less desirable for women to use those services.

>>12401233
I could think of several solutions, but I won't bother typing them because this place is a honeypot and it's not like I have the will to carry any of them out anyway. Congrats on realizing something that many men have known for decades though.

>>12401233
You asked for solutions. I didn't say they were reasonably achievable solutions.

>>12401246
Thanks for reminding me why I don't bother with this shithole. Bunch of retards that can't even provide meaningful discussion. Fuck off and keep being the failure you are.

>>12401256
Read between the lines you God damn idiot.

>>12400994
>>12401021
It's easy to google it. I trust you can do it.

>>12399918
Sneed

>>12400695
>Do women really live like this? With losers ready to give them everything in order to have some pussy?
Absolutely

>>12401422
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>12401217
If men could agree to do pretty much *anything*, we could solve tons of the problems the world faces. That is not a realistic option, at best you can compel people’s behavior through force and coercion (laws/law enforcement/punishments)

>>12399918
there's give and take in all human relationships, dog eat dog world out there buddy. be mad at the beta males that assign the variable value for no reason

>>12400407
But women would only have sex with a man if he can provide those things, plus money

>>12400850
Chad and Stacy decompose after their 30s bro

>>12399918
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>>12399925
White knight, the OP.

I genuinely don't understand the white-knight/white-princess/white-savior thing that western culture has with its sexuality but thank fuck I prefer asians.

>>12401191
Age engineering
Inferential opinion provider
Physical comfort enabler and supplier

Is that all women are to all men in existence?

>Speaking as a man and a Father I would obviously say, "NO, OF COURSE NOT." But I submit the remainder to my 4chan fuckups.

>>12399918
As lil pump said Eskiiriiitt BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH

>>12401422
I don't get it. A question is all that matters to time, mine or any others. No such thing as a question that wastes time, that would be like saying questions somehow limit or weaken me as the God of Time.

>I'm the loudest nigger that'll ever sweep the streets of pussy!

>>12402577
>nigger
Why the racism?

>>12402578
Because I'm a self-hating blackman with white skin.

>>12399918
why this thread has more replies than Computer science thread. LMAO simp sci retards

>>12400482
i think "female privilege" is more appropriate. Not that they should be ashamed or guilty, but just acknowldge that they have it and check themselves when we are discussing men's issues

>>12402613
What sort of guys talk with other guys about their penis and/or prostate?

Does nobody really understand how gay it is to talk about your penis with other men in general? Or have men hyper-normalized their penis to not realize that's how the gays get ya!

>>12402632
exactly.

>>12401184
Men don't want families, they want sex

>>12402661
What? I'd love to have a family that has sex daily. Who wouldn't?