/sci/ - Science & Math

first for *sips*

Old >>12383629

>>12386189
stealth thread migration post, god damn

>>12386197
He looks so happy it fills me with hope for humanity

Fifth for rocket coomers

>>12386209
>you will never gangbang a slutty drunke F9 with 8 of your buddies

Meanwhile in Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HZ4DnVfWYQ

>>12386189
Isn't that an Islamist hand sign?

>>12386223
They've seen the light

*wave*

>>12386189
Block D

>>12386223

>>12386219
I’m sure there’s at least one alien species that does something like that

>>12386261
It needs something like a :3 face drawn on it.

>>12386283
where are these aliens? Asking for a friend.

>>12386279
I chuckled

>>12386279
Inshallah

>>12386351

>>12386363
Sometimes I forget that this is 4chan, then posts like this happen.

guys look like from some comedy

>what could have been

>>12386189
Allah akbar

>>12386197
Jelly

>>12386430
>SSTO

>>12386443

>>12386443
and that's a good thing. seriously

Holy shit this new update
https://youtu.be/D3WXW7kwCyI

>>12386465
Hasn't that been a mod for years now

>>12386464
>Hauling around useless drymass is a good thing

>>12386469
KAS has existed, but now it's vanilla without massive memory hogging and It'll always be compatible with the newest version

>>12386465
>trust me, i'm an engineer

>>12386430
>>12386450
Imagine the cost overruns if they actually went for the full scale VentureStar
>2020
>VentureStar green run postponed to 2022

>>12386489
Adventure star was being made by Lockheed Martin not Boeing, there would be massive cost overruns but not many delays

>>12386473
Fully reusable and might actually have a good operating tempo. Bring down launch costs.

It could have made Manned Mars missions possible sooner. As you send one modified for crew to Mars with the transfer ship.>>12386477

>>12386197
>>12386197
space brings people together

>>12386261
I'm surprised that they're able to move so quickly and precisely

>>12386506
Gotta love the dead pixels from radiation

>>12386505
did you (you) me by accident?

>>12386197
Daddy

>>12386505
>It could have made Manned Mars missions possible sooner.
Ity would not have even existed as a vehicle "sooner". Much less gotten anything larger than a small probe to Mars considering that any SSTO is making a herculean effort just to drag its own dry mass into orbit and land again.

>>12386533
You don't use it to launch things to Mars. You put it in orbit and dock it to a larger spacecraft. Then it gets the crew to and from Mars' surface and lands them on earth.

>three Starlink launches planned each month starting from December

feels good man

>>12386519
Yes

>>12386543
So it "does a Mars mission" by providing the same role as a fucking soyuz?

>>12386547
I've never wanted to invest into something more
>tfw you'll probably be priced out when Elon spins off the IPO

How many times do you guys think they're going to use the rocket that flew last night? One more time for 8 total flights? 10 times? I'd love to see them use it till it breaks, myself.

>>12386554
Souyz can't land on Mars and get back into Martian orbit. дypaк

>>12386578
Neither can that thing.

>>12386578
Can Venture Star? I don't see any runways to land on.

>>12386560
It'll probably go to IPO at a reasonable price per share, and retail investors are going to get the first stab at it, per Elon.
Turn that frown upside down, anon.

>>12386505
high operating tempo is underrated. Can compensate for low payload.

lmao more hitpieces and reddit threads inbound

>>12386611
Kinda cringe not gonna lie. Elon should keep his nose out of politics.

>>12386611
Explain

>>12386220
Pretty cool actually

Starlink's user terminal has a phased array of RF transceivers.
I wonder if it could be converted into a phased array AESA radar?

>>12386623
Very right wing onion

>>12386382
Someone post that one about the guy getting aroused by tiles

>>12386443
Yes

>>12386635
>very right wing
lol

>>12386601
Okay :)

>>12386635
>very right wing
That stuff is tame compared to some of the shit my boomer mom says about Democrats

>>12386664
That's scary anon. I stopped using facebook for that reason.

>>12386620
Liberals should be turned into ash and scattered to the wind

>>12386682
>Scared off Facebook by boomers

Do you have trouble opening bottles of Soilent?

>>12386465
Fuck, I'm still waiting on half my mods to update to 1.10.

>>12386696
Why not just revert?

>>12386611
I love that man.

>>12386465
I didn't install CKAN. Can I just upgrade, or should I wait until my Duna landing?

>>12386701
Well, I'm mainly waiting on Kerbal Scale RSS so I can do a 2.5x stock scale realistic campaign with Bluedog parts. KSRSS is supposed to get Parallax support in the next update, so it'll look amazing.

>>12386450
>>12386430
I will always love the look of this thing

>>12386261
cute!

>>12386620
eh, they seem fine. I kinda figured the site would be propaganda but they seem to make fun of the right as well. In any case Elon's life would be easier if he stayed out of it, but I can't blame him for refusing to be put into a nice neat corporate neolib box.

>>12386623
It's an onion-like satire site that seems to lean right, but as said above they poke fun at it as well. But they're absolutely outside of the standard lib media circle, which alone makes them anathema to a lot of the mainstream. As such Elon is bound to catch flak from tweeting about it, which is dumb but whatever.

Is this the best that has come from the ISS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

>>12386692
Watching delusional old people throw themselves in front of a proverbial steamroller isn't fun, or something I want to watch.

>>12386682
You know you can choose who you can see on Facebook, right?

>>12386664
why do americans fight left/right, the only difference is literally is if the bank will put a blm sticker on your foreclosure notices or not.

>>12386635
Hard to tell if right wingers are serious or not since half of them believe that stuff is true.

>>12386735
the jew has both his left and right claws in your wallet.

>>12386725
Probably, yeah. Also glad Bowie put a stop to attempts by the publisher to remove it from YouTube.

>>12386735
Like most "issues" in America, it's mostly the result of life being way too easy. People fixate on stupid, meaningless shit when they aren't spending their time and effort trying to survive.

>Another satellite operator, though, objected to SpaceX’s proposal. “But commercial expediency is hardly a valid reason for the Commission to bypass the requirements of the Communications Act and grant an application prematurely, in the face of significant doubts as to whether SpaceX has met the public interest standard,” countered Viasat in a Nov. 19 FCC filing.

>Viasat, which has criticized the reliability of Starlink satellites in earlier filings, again raised concerns about premature failures of Starlink satellites. It noted there was no evidence the December launch opportunity was the only one for those satellites, particularly since SpaceX controls the launches.

>“The Commission should balk at SpaceX’s request to provide it with additional authority that it does not yet need when doing so could endanger orbital safety,” it stated. The FCC has yet to act on SpaceX’s request for the polar launch.

Seething.

>>12386735
Our politicians, in spite of all their numerous failures as leaders and wielders of power, have divined at least one cardinal truth. Human beings LOVE teams, this is true from basically the moment our senses begin to function. The only thing you need do to turn two groups of humans against one-another is give them two differently colored armbands, within mere hours they will factionate.
American poltics is the ultimate in team sport, with the whole fate of the country as the trophy for whoever wins the round. It's an act though, for the politicians very little changes in their lives, sure one team or the other may be marginalized somewhat by the opposite team who have won, but they still continue to accrue wealth and power so long as they keep their positions.
Meanwhile, the divided American people are kept in a state of fighting viciously against one another, instead of recognizing the existential threat to our Republic represented by a body politic fundamentally invested exclusively in selling the country for their own personal enrichment.

>>12386725
This is my favorite video from the ISS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouBfzCgXHgk

>>12386735
based and "hey wait a minute" pilled

>>12386753
>in the face of significant doubts as to whether SpaceX has met the public interest standard
What is even the "public interest standard"?

>>12386592
Skis and retro rockets.

Pick a spot that an advanced rover mission says is flat and sandy. Register the reentry profile for longer aerobraking in a thinner atmosphere. Touch down and burn rockets to stop short.

Then air bags to hoist it on to its ass. Refuel. Then launch.

>>12386763
Completely arbitrary and dependent on what lobbyists instruct their politician puppets to decide, of course :^)

>>12386759
but thats not even it, there are no socialists in the united states. No communist eithers, not a single one. All of them are happy to die of preventable diseases because they cant affoard it as long as their clinic director donated 1$ to a charity

>>12386494
>Adventure star

>>12386735
>>12386759
Wait a second, what if we just purged both parties entirely?

>>12386794
Careful there Anon, you're having a bit too much to think today.

>>12386785
anon thats why the communism is a fake mask in that meme

>>12386505
Venture Star was projected as being able to fly once a week or something like that, with a 20 ton max payload.
Starship is a TSTO designed to launch multiple times per day, with a >100 ton max payload. Even if Starship only launched once per week it'd still be able to get 5200 tons to orbit in a year, compared to Venture Star's maximum of 1040. If Starship flies at its projected flight rate, it'll be able to put ~73,000 tons into LEO.
Tell me again how SSTO is an advantage?
Oh, and if you're gonna say something about how Starship's multiple-flights-per-day are just a target and not realistic, I'd say it's more realistic that Starship launches more than once per day than Venture Star launching once per week, because the latter is a delicate eggshell hydrolox SSTO. That's assuming they even got Venture Star working, which they would not have been able to do anyway.

>>12386814
Venturestar would be in operation decade/s earlier. Providing benefit until the Falcons and Starship were flying.

ULA is getting desperate now.

>>12386726
Join the arguments it’ll be fun

>>12386814
Starship's rate of tons-to-orbit / time is so insane that it's going to take multiple years for the rest of the industry to adapt to the new standard. Gonna be really exciting to see what visionaries can do with these new capabilities.

>>12386822
>Space Karen
Where does this come from?

>>12386753
Maybe Viasat should launch some additional satellites instead of relying on the old as shit ones.

>>12386794
Purge their patrons. The oligarchs that use the 2 party system to manipulate voters towards their goals.

>>12386543
>You put it in orbit and dock it to a larger spacecraft.
So what, you're gonna build this "larger spacecraft" out of 20 ton soda cans shipped up by a gorillion Venture Star launches?
>Then it gets the crew to and from Mars' surface and lands them on earth
Full retard. Venture Star could not land on Mars, because it doesn't land propulsively and Mars doesn't have enough atmosphere to land aerodynamically, even if you could build a runway.

>>12386822
>literal who says "space man bad!"
Okay

>>12386814
>Oh, and if you're gonna say something about how Starship's multiple-flights-per-day are just a target and not realistic

Also, if it can launch once per day its already so unbelievably fantastic that it justifies just building more of them.

want 3 launches per day? ok 3 starships, done

>>12386736
Kys communist

>>12386735
right in america is a slower version of the left

>>12386822
>Rob Israel
like pottery

>>12386735
The left wants to completely destroy western civilization

>>12386785
there are socialists and communists in the US, just there are very few in politics. but ANTIFA itself is mostly made up of "anarcho-communists"

>>12386842
Right in America is good Christian men who don’t want communist trannies shitting on the street

>>12386827
Leftoids picked up on it as a name for someone they don't like, but as usual they have no grasp of it's actual meaning and use it incorrectly and incoherently. A karen is somebody who bitches and moans because they desire attention. Karen got a boost as a derogative nickname during the coof as the kinds of people who would snitch on and freak out about others not mask cucking or social distancing, etc.
Ironically, the people who call Elon a "space karen" are the only ones displaying karen-like behavior, quite typical of leftoids since their primary trait seems to be projection.

>>12386764
This is totally infeasible and would also never ever happen even if Venture Star worked perfectly as an SSTO.

>>12386827
it's just a failed lib meme they tried to force but went nowhere. Ironically some libs aren't happy about it because the whole Karen meme is thought to be misogynistic.

>>12386848
>The left wants to completely destroy western civilization
>The left is made up of jewish businessman who thrive on the current state of western civilization

choose

>>12386848
To be fair the right in america really doesn't much to do anything to stop them, the right just slowly limps behind the left. In fact, most of the republican party supports just as much mass immigration as the democrats do, but only legally and for different reasons

Anyone have some good resource on centrifugal compressor design?
I'd like to try my hand at designing an electric pumped engine, and I figure a good starting point is gonna be designing a good centrifugal pump to use a bldc motor

>>12386855
10 years ago even obama was opposed to gay marriage, now even most "right wing" politicians happily support it. its also the same for racial issues, although there hasn't been a racialist political component in this country since the 70s at the latest

>>12386864
It's almost like one party larping as two and play-fighting for the cameras, or something.

>>12386863
Left is full of niggers.
That should answer all your questions fellow spess fren.

>>12386849
>there are socialists and communists in the US, just there are very few in politics. but ANTIFA itself is mostly made up of "anarcho-communists"
There's just college kids that didnt work a day in their life trying to lash out at their parents for not buying them the latest iphones.

Thats literally it, theres political ideas in other countries, real men that died for those ideas that actually study political theory books, discuss them and defend their convictions with firearms based on an organized and coherent plan.

That never once happened in america, anything that happened in america is bored people roleplaying as a hobby. Some people do gardening, other people roleplay being right wing militants others roleplay being left wing ones, it changes nothing, there are no political ideas of any kind in the vast majority of the american population. This is the objective truth, if it hurts you its your personal problem.

>>12386855
Then who consumes all of the black cuck porn?

>Sir, it's the anons on /sfg/
>Sir they know

>>12386821
If Venture Star existed it would have been a barrier to the clearing out of old space and you know it. A "fleet" of two Venture Stars would have flown once every three months to do crew rotation at the ISS and drop off the occasional satellite payload which would have needed to use its own propulsion capabilities to actually reach its final intended geostationary orbit.
VS would have turned out EXACTLY as bad as Shuttle, and every piece of media would hype it up as so efficient because it didn't throw away those solid boosters or the external tank, and all the nerds would jerk themselves off about how cool it was that the tanks were thinner than a dime and the engines were oh-so-close to burning themselves up during every launch and how space is SO hard but it's worth it!
FUCK Venture Star. It was a piece of shit concept and I'm glad it's dead. Old space dinosaurs tripping over their own feet for the past three decades is what has lead directly to the development of Starship, which will be the rocket to actually change everything.

>>12386872
there have been a few small socialist insurrections in america and there were serious communist terrorist groups during the cold war but yeah you're mostly right about modern communists in america not being serious

>>12386878
Where is the fragile chud extinction button?

>>12386736
>meanwhile at The Onion mentions “AHAHAHA TRUMP IS PINOCHET, HITLER AND MUSSOLINI COMBINED... WOULD BE FUNNY IF IT WASNT TRUE!”

>>12386885

>>12386872
I you seriously saying there are no people in America who are genuinely convinced that socialism or communism are a better system? If so, you're delusional

>>12386835
and its built from stainless steel in an open air shipyard in Texas, so if you want a whole fleet of them you just buy more Raptors and sheet steel. Imagine trying to scale production for 1000 Venture Stars. Not happening.

>>12386885
Wasn't in the budget, you blew it all on dilation stations.

>>12386912

>>12386879
I dont know why people obsess over the shuttle, its objectively clear where it went wrong, it was too ambitious.

Imagine you have a kid, so you put him in piano lessons, he plays ok, fantastic, smart capable boy, LETS FORCE HIM TO BECOME A TRAINED MARINE, SURGEON AND ATHLETE BEFORE AGE 14. You would have never guessed! he didn't do actually any of those things just failed horribly and wasted tons of time and resources, there was no way of anticipating this.

Same thing happened with the shuttle. The us were doing extremely good considering the state of general technology at that time, clearly ahead of everyone, if they had just asked from the shuttle to be a small concept proof of spaceplanes that provide a modest cost benefit over launching with saturn v to pursue incremental savings then everything would have been ok, just a small shuttle, optimized to carry people, small cargo, orbiter on top, no solid boosters, no huge commiting that makes it impossible to cancel for 50 years then it would have been fine, it would have either been a nice intermediate step between the saturn and starship which could have realistically had a less capable version to what we know today started to be constructed in the 80s-90s and everyone would be happy we would be planning permanent mars habitation after having a permanent moon base and already visited mars in an apollo style boots mission.

But no, ohhhh no, congressmen werent gonna have none of that, between them and the airforce they demanded a vehicle capable of putting a trillion tons in orbit, capable of flying like an airplane to basically everywhere, but also it had to be able to snatch satellites, oh oh and manufacture it using these and these components, in these and these states, and have it be cheap but reusable but move enough money, also carry 7 astronauts and...

well you know the rest

>>12386914
Don't blame me, I kept my girldick.

>>12386915

>>12386920
There's no such thing.

>>12386921

>>12386870
Ok racist chud

>>12386894
Im sorry that your parents didnt buy you that i-phone and you lash out by thinking you can even know what socialism is by your twitter feed.

Don't bother explaining that to real socialist-communists that truly read practice discuss organize and fight, they wont care that you have a hammer and sickle sticker in your laptop.

Im sorry but americans are the enemies of socialism and communism, all of them, any true socialist and communist revolution would execute till the last one, no amount of rp can change this.

>>12386925

>>12386926
Here's a rare ((((you)))) for a nigger

>>12386929

>>12386922
Ok boomer

holy shit does the necesity for jannies appear rather quick

>>12386937
>>>/lgbt/

>>12386939
>>>/pol/

>>12386943
I didn't start this whole NOT SPACE discussion. Fuck off.

>>12386918
i think i kinda understand where youre aiming at but could you turn the schizo knob like to a 3 down from the 6 youre currently at

Are hoppers a useful means of transportation on low gravity worlds compared to wheeled vehicles or planes (if there were an atmosphere)?

chonkstar

Are the bunkerfags raiding us? What the flying fuck is going on?

>>12386956
no, on mars rovers or trains would be the most sensible forms of transportation, since they only require electricity

Based "posting random spaceflight pictures during shitposting hours" anon doing his thing, good man.

>>12386963
>What the flying fuck is going on?
we've advanced too quickly

>>12386956
no, if there's an atmosphere its retardedly inneficient not to take advantage of lift, if the grav is low enough you can literally fly like a bird with glue on wings

>>12386970
As a lurker whos only barely orbited kerbin attempting to grasp what other anons on here say, I really like them.

>>12386956
From the pic I'm guessing you mean a suborbital rocket? I think that makes the most sense for intermediate/long distance trips, yeah. For efficiency reasons you wouldn't use them over short distances where wheels suffice, and eventually you would want tracks between long distances so you would only use them when timeliness is a real concern.

>>12386956
almost certainly. Starship itself could go wherever it wanted on the moon for cheap. Probably Mars too, though you'd only do that over longer distances. I mean, the Starships will already be there so might as well get the most use out of them. Though on the moon they'll have to receive methane from somewhere else.

>>12386974
i had a neighbour who was around when the first steam engine was invented, he even knew some guys who were around for the french revolution and he died last year. The world is an amazing place of wonders

>>12386978
would traditional planes even work on Mars? I know the gravity is low but compared to earth there's hardly any atmosphere to supply lift.

MORE LIKE SCIENCE FICTION GENERAL

>>12386981
self followup: I'm assuming Mars tier or lower atmosphere here since that's the situation pretty much everywhere with low gravity. If you're on Titan use wings or balloons something. If you're a t*rraformer kill yourself.

MORE LIKE SICK FUCK GENERAL

>>12386979
Keep at it friend, shoot for the moon.

anyone know where I can find a pistol grip tool?
i want a space drill

>>12386997
>Is that a terraform-fag?
>Get him against the wall!
>Is there any hydrolox in the crowd?
>Against the wall!

>>12386989
you fucking fucker goalpost mover left wing tranny cuck who never won anything in your life can only even attempt to pretend like you can be right at anything even in an imaginary setting like this one by using logic more flawed than communism,
you didnt say on mars, you said low gravity worlds with atmospheres.

It's technically possible to use an airplane on mars but id have to run the numbers to see how feasible it is. There are studies for helicopters and blimps, basically by using really fast propellers the low gravity and low atmosphere cancel themselves out and it kinda works.
With a plane light enough with a TWR high enough it might work, but youd probably end up with a rocket that saves a bit of fuel by lift but not more than that.

>>12387006
I'll never forgive elon musk for taking that picture its very offensive, i dont think advocating violence is nice. I am an american citizen and i have a right to demand that violence is not advocated and ill never excuse myself for defending human rights in any context even the imaginary ones

>>12387020
not even the same guy bro chill

>>12386984
>he even knew some guys who were around for the french revolution and he died last year. The world is an amazing place of wonders
how?

>>12387036
my mistake dear sir, carry on

>>12386951
What he wrote was coherent and poignant. You’re just a memeing npc

>>12386984
your neighbour was a vampire, he would have had to be well over 200 years old for that to be true

>>12386992
speaking of science fiction I want to see a setting focused on a Venus civilization powered by clockwork tech.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/a-clockwork-rover-for-venus

https://hs-ny.org/meetings/2019/12/9/exploring-the-surface-of-venus-with-a-clockwork-rover-by-evan-hilgemann

>>12386363

I wish I never posted that spaceplane...

>>12387044
coherent and poignant huh?

>it would have either been a nice intermediate step between the saturn and starship which could have realistically had a less capable version to what we know today started to be constructed in the 80s-90s and everyone would be happy we would be planning permanent mars habitation after having a permanent moon base and already visited mars in an apollo style boots mission.

>It would have either...
>either this or WHAT???

>can't employ the most basic of grammar
>coherent and poignant
choose one and only one

>>12387045
fuck you, you don't understand how generations work.

>>12386984
Lol some crazy old man convinced a retarded kid that he was around for the french revolution and now he genuinely thinks thats true.

This is space related because my sides are in orbit

>>12387014
Isn't it just a cordless drill?

SPACE
FLIGHT
GENERAL

>>12387073
>>just
A pretty skookum one at least

>>12386984
>The last person to receive a US government pension from the American civil war has died.

Irene Triplett was 90 when she died last Sunday in Wilkesboro, North Carolina. Her father, Mose Triplett, fought for the Confederacy and the Union in the civil war, which began in 1861 and ended with the defeat of the slave power in 1865. He applied for his Union pension 20 years after the war and in 1930, when his daughter was born, he was 83.

i believe they are still paying some Spanish American War pensions to children and widows

>>12386945
>>12386963
Spitefuls are using reddit and twitter to organize a canceling of Elon Musk and his 'BIGOTED EMERALD-MINE FUNDED SEXIST COLONIAL DREAMS' because he got too wealthy (tesla stock bubble) and successful; I think other groups are trying to jump in on it for attention and it's growing at a pretty fast clip. This is /sfg/ (and /pol/ lurkers) panicking and trying to blow off steam over it.

>>12386865
not sure about that specifically, but earlier an anon gave some good book recommendations

>>12386758
>can see the first stage burn up
incredible

>>12387040
np it happens. Sometimes you just gotta vent.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bvRZg36tbOXpDS765M3yIY1IeML_-MMjuHM8BodYTzo/edit#gid=0

Literally no one can compete

>>12387082
Well they're too late.

>>12387104
>include Iran
>forget Norks

>>12386189
If we create a moon colony that grows sufficient crops, we can declare ourselves independent from Earth. I'd like that.

>>12387120
Iran has made missiles into orbital rockets, NK has only made missiles

>inb4 they decide to dunk SN8 in the ocean because too high risk of destroying the pad with only like 1/3 chance of everything going ok and no shortage of test articles next in line

>>12387082
No dude it’s just you sperging about shitty websites that I don’t visit. Go back.

>>12387130
Nothing wrong with this, we'll be able to tell if the flip works either way

>>12387104
why are the falcons so cheap even when being expended? Are they that much cheaper to make? I know that SpaceX doesn't do shit like isogrids because they're too expensive.

>>12387132
huh, I didn't know the space shuttle had a tank in the nose

>>12387129
>NK has only made missiles
ding dong you're wrong
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unha

>>12386984
Anon that was 1792
Also god damn Frogs never should have retired this beautiful workhorse, we need it now more than ever.

>>12387137
No pork

>>12387120
And thank god for that, the military-industry complex has been the only thing preventing complete US de-industrialization from vulture capitalists and stagnation from ALL (instead of most) tech start-ups being bought out by business groups; now they're stopping cancel culture. At least they're competent at doing one thing, creating unstoppable protection rackets for shit they want.

>>12387138
Yeah I guess it stands to reason that it would either be empty space or inconvenient stowage for the crew otherwise.

>>12387120
That has to be a covert way to support spacex and maybe even get ahead of space force in the coming space race (just like not only the air force has planes not only the space force will want space vehicles), but there's no way they are actually considering using it for actual cargo, let's take a look at some of the trillions of flaws this has as a military transport:

-It is completely useless for going into enemy territory, sabotaging it is as easy as driving a car under it. No one but the US can bring down an us airplane, a landing starship is so easy to bring down a kid ridding a bike might do it accidentally. So were talkinga bout peacetime transportation between well established well defended american bases in friendly territories.

-The us already has the capability to deliver nukes to anywhere in the world less than 8-20 minutes on average. Commando teams in more or less that. A strong attack force capable of taking down any single coutnry in the world in 2 hours. If for some reason the whole world bands against the us and also has helps by aliens thus justifying the us using 40% of its military capability it could probably do that in a day or two. This is achieved by a logistic and stockpile network. The only reasonable scenario is where
something that is unique has to be carried fromt he us to the other side of the world. And it has to be on the other side of the world because if its like, half way around the world its starts to become much more atractive to just send it by plane

-Liquid fueled rockets are notoriously bad for rushing, it was attempted with the early icbms by keeping a precarious launch readiness that was extremely complicated and expensive and there was a contingency for actually launching them it but it was estimated that up to 80% of rushed rockets would explode in an emergency launch, good luck justyfing 80% casualty rate before you even engage.
(cont)

>>12387193
(continued)
note that if earth 2 earth was even remotely useful the capability would have been developed with solid rockets by a military that doesnt give two shits about saving money, they spend an apollo program per year on socks basically.
So basically military starship would only be useful if you have to carry something unique and important(but it cant be fragile at all, lol) from the us to EXACTLY the other side of the world (somewhere in the middle of the pacific-indian ocean) and its critical to get it there in 45 minutes instead of 2 hours BUT you have to know at least a week ahead that youre gonna be needing that.Also, only during peacetime, letting know everyone youre gonna do it to avoid political incidents and if there happens to be some land around it has to be 100% friendly territory and even friendlies have to be instructed not to ruin it by mistake.

Yeah no, worse than useless

>>12387137
>Are they that much cheaper to make?
Makes sense to me they would be. F9 is not as cost optimized as Starship but it's still more optimized than its competitors. Logistical vertical integration leading to cheaper parts overall, Merlin being around a million or less a pop, stringer rather than milled isogrid construction on the tanks as you pointed out, fairing reuse being fairly regular now.
The real surprise to me was how close Proton-M came on cost per kg, but then it has other issues (half-retired and unreliable, you're getting assfucked on insurance assuming you do get to orbit)

>>12387208
yeah but imagine how sick 100 starships landing in enemy territory would be.

>>12387221
>holy shit the enemy launched a barrage of missiles at us, look out!
>wait, they're slowing down?

>>12387227
>starship doors open up
>soldiers lob a few grenades from the inside
>engines light and it leaves

>>12387193
>It is completely useless for going into enemy territory, sabotaging it is as easy as driving a car under it. No one but the US can bring down an us airplane, a landing starship is so easy to bring down a kid ridding a bike might do it accidentally.
This topic came up before and like then, I respect other disagreements but this part is VERY easy to work around: just use Starships to blast the LZ. A Starship delivering its full payload in bombs or simple kinetic penetrators can deny a comfortable zone for following ones to put useful payload on.

>>12387214
>F9 is not as cost optimized as Starship but it's still more optimized than its competitors.
f9 is not cost optimized at all, its competitors are cost Unoptimized.

Imagine i make a cake with some eggs and flour, scrape the bowl for leftover to add on the baking mix but hey if something remains on the bowl ill just wash it, no reason to be ocd abouit, right?
then comes another dude and does the same only taht before he sets fire to a pallet of flour.

Im not "optimizing" the process in comparison to him im just sane.

thats what spacex is, a mentally sane way to manufacture rockets that due to the particular nature of the industry never existed.

>>12387221
Less sick when 80% of them get shot down with literal rc airplanes with a stick of dinamyte attached to it during the terminal phase, 19% get btfo by having ahmed park a car under them and the only one that manages to land gets literally one ak 47 bullet to each square centimeter of it's 4mm surface.

this is the best case scenario, this is if youre fighitng against a completely unprepared and technologicaly african enemy. if their army is even a bit more prepared it would be muchn much MUICH tremendously easier to totally and 100% thorougly butt exterminate them

>>12387233
>I respect other disagreements
what a fag

>>12387227
>they are deploying tanks and artillery from the missiles!!!
>suddenly there's enemy base on your territory
imagine ... there will literally be no way to hold any defense lines, only warfare possible would be guerilla warfare.

>>12387233
>just use Starships to blast the LZ. A Starship delivering its full payload in bombs or simple kinetic penetrators can deny a comfortable zone for following ones to put useful payload on.
so just launch conventional icbms?

>https://youtu.be/4qAjxWV7Xdo
What went wrong?

>>12387082
I love how the left wants electric cars but once you get rich making them you're the bad guy and you need to be stopped

>>12387244
Orion is fine. It's the rest of the Constellation program that was a mess.

>>12387236
>thats what spacex is, a mentally sane way to manufacture rockets that due to the particular nature of the industry never existed.
Don't reword what I say as an argument, faggot.

>>12387243
>so just launch conventional icbms?
Starship being used in an offensive role would be basically seen as a conventional icbm anyway, so yes.

>>12387236
>what a fag
I ain't reading all that shit by (You) anyway and I don't seriously think anyone's going to use the thing as a front line troop transport.

But while we're at it
>>12387208
>note that if earth 2 earth was even remotely useful the capability would have been developed with solid rockets by a military that doesnt give two shits about saving money, they spend an apollo program per year on socks basically.
That's not how shit works you fucking retard. The US has to cancel overbudget and overdue R&D all the fucking time, and they definitely care about the bottom line in logistics which covers E2E. Solids are ridiculously impractical for E2E and would have never left the drawing board. If Starship can hit its current cost goals it's close enough to air cargo over long distances to justify the extra expense when you consider much faster timelines, that never would have been true with any other rocket.

>>12386989
>>12387020
On worlds like Mars you'd use rocket propulsion to reach high cruising velocities in the atmosphere, enough that wing surfaces would provide all your lift and let you glide to your destination. On arrival you'd bleed off speed until you began to stall, then you'd fire up your rockets again for propulsive landing. So yeah, basically rocket point to point transport but with some gliding between. This would only be used to reach places remote enough that driving or taking a high speed train are not attractive options.

>>12387271
>Solids are ridiculously impractical for E2E and would have never left the drawing board.
Not as impractical as liquid fuel for military operations

>>12387271
>If Starship can hit its current cost goals it's close enough to air cargo over long distances
Is it possible rocket e2e becomes cheap enough that eventually only rich people will travel by airplane because of how much smoother it is?

>>12387286
Are you addled? Can you not make a distinction between ICBMs and cargo delivery? How many solid fueled planes you know of in US inventory?

>>12387291
oh im sorry, youre a complete absolute noob in everything in life particularly military and airspace cause you dont know that liquid fuel refers to combination of liquid fuel and oxygen for space application.

just finy youre kindergarten teacher and tell that you accidentally stumblid onto a "n adult site" hell know what to do, dont worry little guy, if you do your best effort 15 hours per day for 70 years you might one day get to be 1/2 as smart as i was at 10 yo (and for you thats a lot because im seuper smart and youre super dymb)

>>12387290
At the very least you need connecting flights if you're coming from or going to somewhere far from the coast. Will be more expensive too, but potentially 18m could could get to per seat cost parity, or better.

>>12387306
Great effort.

>>12387286
You don't seem to understand. Starship is not a combat weapon. Starship is like a C-5 Galaxy. Instead of kerosene, it burns liquid oxygen (which is cheap and easy to produce) and liquid methane (which is just refined LNG). Of note, Japan used liquid oxygen fueled torpedoes in WW2, and that's a way more direct combat use than Starship would ever see.

>>12386525
I hate that modern degeneracy has spread and expressed to the point that people can only express any positive opinions about someone in terms of sexual attraction.

Kinda wish spacex would put a camera in this sport on a falcon 9.

>>12387332
youre so right thats so deep i want to cum inside your anus

>>12387348
Oh fuck aghaghgh I'm fucking COOOOOOOMING

>>12387348
They've got one pointing down in the interstage iirc.

>>12387362
The sound is amazing.

>>12387348
This must be part of the video twitter wouldn't let me see

>>12387412
here is full video with sound from twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpsfy4npMhY

>>12387417
CRACK hisss *ssssip* yep, that's a good staging

>>12387417
Is that deformation before separation due to the tanks being pressurized prior to ignition?

It would make a lot of sense for SpaceX to build a major space station.
Firstly, it'd be far, far cheaper for them than anyone else. They own Starship, thus will pay only the internal cost of what will already be the cheapest vehicle in the world. Also SpaceX is great at mass production, and you could build the bulk of centrifugal gravity space station with identical parts that fit inside a Starship.
Secondly, a major space station could be kept equipped for a wide variety of servicing jobs, made perhaps easier by artificial gravity. And being a major station, if special parts are required they can be thrown onto a routine shuttle. This would be a major boon to any highly expensive satellites; as long as they can reach the station, they can be fixed up or upgraded extremely cheaply. This greatly reduces the amount of effort (and thus money) that needs to go into guaranteeing a satellite will work flawlessly.
Thirdly and perhaps most importantly, it could be a space hotel. Lots of companies want to offer space tourism to Earth orbit, but all you'd get is a short trip in a cramped space with small windows. The marketability of space tourism would be far greater if say, you got to spend a week in a comfortable hotel with plenty of space to experience space, and SpaceX would not only make more money off their own tourism launches but they'd also make money off of everyone else's tourism launches (assuming they go to the hotel).

>>12387435
It needs a purpose to exist first and I'm not sure I buy that space hotel is it. For a small enough group of people Starship offers hotel room-tier space and it has more than enough endurance for the task.

>>12387432
Based on the hissing I'd imagine it's pre-firing pressurization. Also very cool that there is some sound so long as there's still hot gas from the engine collecting inside the interstage fairing and it fades out as the engine moves away and vacuum reasserts itself.

>>12387432
The "deformation" is just mylar foil and they're priming it with lox before igniting with TEA-TEB. TEA-TEB needs oxygen to be present first for it's hypergolic ignition after all.

>>12387443
But then they need to carry a small hotel with every launch, and limit the density of people since you can't crowd them on the Starship if that's where they'll be spending their entire trip.
Spend a dozen or so Starship flights building a small hotel, and it'll be a far better stay than you could get onboard Starship, and you get to dedicate Starship entirely to transporting lots of people and supplies. The hotel would quickly pay for itself.
Starship could carry hundreds of people and the necessary supplies if going to a hotel, they'd be limited to more like a hundred if Starship was the hotel.

>>12387443
Roughly the same purpose as the ISS, an orbital lab with scientists staffing it to run experiments for corporations and universities.

>>12387443
If spaceX is able to launch people into space for 20-50 thousand dollars, versus the typically 20-100 million, universities will probably be able to launch their own astronauts to a public research station, like going to antarctica

>>12387524
>>12387541
The "remote research base like those in Antarctica or ISS" idea seems difficult to monetize, even factoring in massive cost cutting. Would you see this being done independently, or strictly on government contract?

I don't think monetizing the colony immediatel will happen. Starlink can fund the initial setup.

we should build a giant swaztika on the moon, i will bankroll it

>>12387590
That's true, that's for the colony though, which is directly part of SpaceX's overall mission. Assuming you're relating it to the station topic at hand, that doesn't actually have any part in their overall goals so I don't see it getting the same bankroll treatment.

>>12387598
you just know that some asshole corp is going to buy a bunch of moon land and put a fucking billboard up there

>>12387571
>seems difficult to monetize
How?
>Would you see this being done independently, or strictly on government contract?
Doesn't have to be either/or. You take government contracts (from the US and countries they like), and you take private projects. You take anyone's money to run any experiment they want, as long as it doesn't endanger the station or raise diplomatic problems.

>>12387629
>How?
How many privately funded Antarctic bases are there? I won't even bother talking about the ISS because I honestly have no idea how they manage to waste so much money on that thing.

>>12387634
If you look closely you can see that the bulkheads are made from compressed and laminated hundred dollar bills.

>>12387627
lol, scared commie?

>>12386197
big sippy

>>12387634
Antarctica is a less fruitful research environment than space.

>>12387640
The billboard will say black trans matter.

Ok so the atmosphere of the Apollo CSM was 100% oxygen at 5psi(LM is listed at 4.8psi), but the ISS is ~21% oxygen at 14.7 psi.
When nasa does long term studies on human physiological changes aboard the ISS(Scott Kelly's 340 days, etc), are they taking into account that other manned missions to the moon, mars, or anything else will most likely be using an atmosphere more similar to Apollo's than that of the ISS? Do we even know how the human body will react to spending 340 days in a 5psi environment? Am I mistaken for believing we'd go with <1atm pressures with >21% oxygen?

>>12387670
Why the fuck would we go back to doing it like Apollo?

>>12387675
keeping 5psi is less stressful on the craft
keep in mind, the iss doesn't have to take off and land, and is therefore not subject to the stresses present in those situations

>>12387683
A little more stress on the craft is way better than static electricity being a death sentence

>>12387670
>Am I mistaken for believing we'd go with <1atm pressures with >21% oxygen?
Probably. I see no reason why SpaceX would not be putting an earthlike atmosphere mix inside Starship. Mars has nitrogen in its atmosphere, we don't need to worry about running out.

>>12387683
More pressure is better for maintaining rigidity. Starship is made of steel, so the additional stress doesn't matter unless it goes beyond the fatigue limit.

>>12387670
>Apollo CSM was 100% oxygen at 5psi(LM is listed at 4.8psi), but the ISS is ~21% oxygen at 14.7 psi
that's really interesting. I had no idea, though I had wondered how Apollo's air seemed to last so long considering the size of the storage.

>>12387687
>static electricity being a death sentence
The only reason that happened was because nasa was retarded and had Apollo 1 pressurized to 16psi at 100% oxygen on the launchpad while they were running those tests. They kept it that way for fucking hours before disaster struck, mind you, so even as dangerous as it was things didn't happen instantly. 100% oxygen at 5psi is perfectly safe, but 100% oxygen at >1atm is insane.

>>12387683
Its one fucking bar, not the inside of a combustion chamber. Much better than turning the entire craft into a thermobaric bomb where the crew and everything not made of solid metal is the fuel.

>all these earthmosphere cucks
the bends send their regards ;^)

>>12387696
It wasn't 100% oxygen on the pad, mind you. The launch pad cabin atmosphere was vented out during ascent to orbit. It was at one time planned to be 100% oxygen on the ground,. but they had a little accident...

>>12387698
Codyslab accidentally set stainless steel thick gauge wire on fire in a reduced pressure pure oxygen environment. 100% O2 at 5psi is not perfectly safe at all. With no buffer gas available to remove energy from the reaction, 100% O2 at 5psi is actually significantly MORE dangerous than normal atmosphere.

>>12387705
>the 5 atmosphere, 4% O2 chad

>>12387683
Takeoff and landing have basically nothing to do with maintaining internal pressure, and no way Starship will have trouble holding 1atm. I could see underpressurization being useful on rovers if they end up being pressurized at all vs. suit up and drive, but not anything intended for long term stay, there's just no need.

>>12387707
>Codyslab accidentally set stainless steel thick gauge wire on fire in a reduced pressure pure oxygen environment
link?

>>12387698
IIRC the russians had a very very similar accident before the apollo 1 incident. A lot of the astronauts were pissed that NASA didn’t learn from the russian’s mistake. And this is a stretch here but I even recall some people from the soviet space program actively reaching out to NASA and telling them about it well before the events of apollo 1

>>12387718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlSeHSDc-Do&ab_channel=Cody%27sLab
Right around 1:40

>>12387743
It's pure oxygen after all, everything burns.

>>12387743
Steel wool isn't stainless.

>>12387696
They had the same issue with the Apollo/Soyuz mission. That's how I learned about it first

>>12387743
>steel wool
>only depressurized to -5 inHg(~12.23 psi)
>@ 100% oxygen
Thanks for the video, and I understand your concern, but that's almost 2.5x the pressure of what apollo used. That pressure is closer to what Apollo 1 used than it is to what the other Apollos used.
As well, steel wool is known to be flammable in everyday life, similar to how iron shavings and flour can be explosive if you aren't careful. Surface area's a bitch when it comes to combustion.

>>12387761
You didn't watch the video

https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1331720941492199424
>Air Force says it plans to end Blue Origin and Northrop's rocket development funds by year's end (as expected for losing to SpaceX and ULA for Phase 2 contracts) and is currently negotiating final milestones and payments for work in progress. Per federal data:
Imagine getting paid that much for a dead rocket

>>12387772

>>12387743
>>12387767
nvm i finished watching the video
my point still stands on the high pressure compared to what Apollo used though
the high pressure is what makes a pure oxygen atmosphere dangerous af and was 100% what killed Grissom, White, and Chaffee

>>12387777
Digits don’t lie

>>12387761
The wire holding the steel wool in place also combusted and burnt like a fucking firework fuse.

>>12387793
Yes, a chain reaction starting in the carbon steel will do that.

It's practically on the pad guys!

>my car's tires need to filled to 35 psi
>MSLP is 14.7 psi
>space is 0 psi
>the difference between my tires and earth's atmosphere is more than the difference between earth's atmosphere and space

>>12387799
OH NO NO NO LOOK AT THIS D O O D.

>>12387775
Ha!

>>12387772
>Spent more then falcon 9's development cost for literally nothing

>>12387772
what exactly were they being paid to do? If I remember right Grumman was building a rocket named "Omega"? What about Blue Origin? And what are SpaceX and ULA being paid for? Starship and Vulcan?

>>12387799
Not gonna lie those are a lot smaller than a thought. Either way, SRB’s produce a fucking comical amount of thrust. Absolutely monstrous compared to throwing on more liquid boosters

>>12387754
>>12387743
this shit blows my mind. How do we even manage to store liquid ox so reliably without it reacting with everything? And wow this helps put the ox-rich turbopump problem into perspective.

>>12387817
>The Space Shuttle SRB was the most powerful solid rocket motor ever flown. Each provided a maximum 14.7 MN (3,300,000 lbf) thrust, roughly double the most powerful single-combustion chamber liquid-propellant rocket engine ever flown, the Rocketdyne F-1.
my inner ork wants to strap 3 together

>>12387816
These are for Phase 1, which included ULA (Vulcan), BO (New Glenn), and NG (Omega). They were getting paid for nothing more but to develop new rockets. ULA and SpaceX (Falcon) were selected for Phase 2. I think SpaceX offered Starship and ULA offered Atlas and Delta as backups in their bids. Now the Phase 1 contracts are being terminated for BO and NG now that their rockets weren't selected.

>>12387830
Well luckily as long as you don't put anything else into the mix with the LOX it's fine, the second that it warms up enough to vaporize into GOX and mix with literally anything flammable it only needs a very small amount of energy input to spontaneously and aggressively combust.
And yeah it's pretty hard to make an OX rich turbopump without turning it into a turbopump rich turbopump.

>>12387837
The true purpose of this contract is to put old and new space against each other to find the most financially viable, launch efficient and congress supported venture. They have the 2 contenders and if there is a mark cost reduction or improvement in flight capability along with how much of a fuss congress makes the next contracts will either go back to proven oldspace ventures or have newspace take the lions share of the contracts.

>>12387832
>>12387817
what was the thrust for the fission torch shuttle SRB?

>>12387627
So just burn a swastika into the screen via radiation.
>>12387659
It really needs the radiation burn now.

>>12387837
Kek it looks like air force is already kind of horny for starship. I mean all they have to do is go on google and see that it’s actually being made. Jesus christ imagine being a multi million (billion?) dollar company like NG and trying submit ANYTHING that will compete with what private space is doing. I mean new glenn is meme but I think they are at least working on it and it’s way better than an SRB frankenstein or some random hydromeme proposal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndvmFlg1WmE

>>12387832
>Each provided a maximum 14.7 MN (3,300,000 lbf) thrust
absolute dumbfuck question: is this number the total thrust generated after all fuel has been consumed? Or force generated at any particular instant? Sorry, still kinda new to all this.

>>12387837
thanks anon! This is a comprehensive answer. I'm surprised they left the New Glenn out in the cold. Wonder what they didn't like about it. Omega was kinda overshadowed by everything else so that's easy to understand

>>12387967
AF always loves to get new toys. Anyways it sounds like NG is giving up on making their own rocket for now and is instead going to try to sell Omega parts to the contract winners.

>>12387073
Programmable with specific torque settings. So you push 1, turn screw type #12 on the iss, and you can't over torque.

>>12387977
it's the maximum, not the total or average thrust generated
pic related is from STS-107

>>12387989
Expendable starship with fuckhuge SRB’s would probably be able to deliver an almighty payload into an asteroid on an immanent impact trajectory with our planet

>>12387977
Thrust is an instantaneous measurement, like weight. Impulse is thrust over time. Solid rockets have high thrust but low impulse. That is to say, they burn harder, but run out of fuel more quickly.

Why didn't NASA use the Ares I rocket for unmanned cargo and satellite launches?
I understand not using it for human flights because that is scary as shit.
Did it cause too much vibrations for unmanned cargo as well or is there another reason?

if SLS had a challenger-like problem do you guys think that the abort system could get the crew away in time? I mean, they're directly over a fuckton of hygrogen and don't have much time to bug out.

>>12388125
Yes but I wouldn’t put it past boeing to fuck something up, be it the coding or actual hardware, and end up with a crazy fatality due to burnt parachutes or a capsule that just refuses to eject because the code cannot communicate with the capsule

>>12386758
This is one of the only space videos I've seen that gives me a reverse sense of scale. Normally any video with any sort of good perspective makes everything humanity does seem absolutely minuscule and inconsequential, but the fact that you can see a rocket launch, stage and see the booster burn up from space actually gives me a bit of hope for how far we've come. Feels weird nowadays.

>>12388036
thanks!

>impulse
I'd like to make certain that I understand this as well: so if one ship has 450 isp and another has 350 isp the 450 isp ship will have more delta V to work with *regardless* of thrust, right? As in it doesn't matter if the 350 isp ship has double or triple the thrust, the higher isp ship will be able to do more in space. Is this correct? Thanks again for the help.

>>12388127
is it true that Boeing's programing dept is an h1b hellhole? Regardless when are these idiots going to learn that you can't cheap out on programmers.

>>12388150
Starliner capsules failure was literally because it's clock was set to India time.

>>12388108
There were already plenty of cheaper, better rockets available for unmanned flights.

>>12388154
got a source? if this is true this is the greatest self-own in history

>>12388146
Yes. But you will need a certain amount of thrust for your craft/upper stage, ie. you need it to be proportional to the task at hand for example getting a second stage into orbit.

>>12388150
Yes a NASA evaluation found that clock was on India Standard Time. Want a crazier story? NASA asked what the fuck happened and boeing said “oh well um, we didn’t actually run all of our separate software together before launch to make sure it all worked”. Nasa rightly got pissed and now requires integrated testing for all rockets. But boeing is making SLS and they haven’t done integration testing for that either. They decided it would take too long to test all the software now without a huge slip, so they are launching Artemis I anyways. God damn I hope the software fucks up big time and the whole thing goes haywire to teach everyone a lesson

>>12388154
>it's clock was set to India time.
holy fuck

>>12388161
>>12388165
I just googled to confirm

holy fucking shit

boing does not deserve another tax dollar ever, ever again

>>12388154
>>12388165
>>12388172
Can't make this shit up lmao

>>12388161
The fact that NASA knows Boeing can't be trusted to skip integrated testing and have the product actually work, but is letting them go ahead anyways, is insane to me. In both vehicle's current state I would feel safer flying on fucking SN8 than Artemis 1.

>>12388202
I hope they at least strap a hundred gopros with stereo microphones all over SLS for Artemis I. We’ve waited so long for this candle to light, I hope they can at LEAST get some kino HD footage for us. If all we get is a shitty SD video made from cameras with 2004 graphics I will be pissed

>>12388211
the starliner stream was awful

Assuming new glenn works perfectly once it eventually it arrives, how hard would it be to scale it up to 9 or 10m and make a starship competitor? Also is there anything new glenn can do that starship can’t? like TLO with a their stage without refueling?

>>12388161
everyone in boing management needs to hang for this

>>12388236
Most direct path would be not scaling it and simply building a reusable second stage. It would be much less capable, but that's fine if it's fully reusable and cost competitive. Booking an entire Starship to take four astronauts to the ISS is slightly impractical.

>>12387348
fucking kino. videos like this will influence future scenes in movies and shows.

>>12388276
>>12388178
>>12388172
>>12388165
>>12388161
>>12388154
Bullshit, just checked, it wasn't Indian time.
Why is a science board so gullible?

>>12388154
Boeing's leadership should be charged with treason and put against the wall.

>>12388300
Why do you feel the need to lie? Are you a seething pajeet?

>>12387977
Thrust is a force, it's measured at any given moment and it's the same regardless of how full/empty the rocket is*. The thrust is somewhat cancelled out by the weight, however, so as the boosters expend fuel there is less downward weight cancelling out the thrust force and therefore you get more and more acceleration as the flight progresses.

*SRBs like those on the Shuttle had their fuel packed in such a way that the thrust would intentionally decrease during Max-Q to decrease the loads on the vehicle and then pick up again afterwards. Similarly the thrust peters out near the end of the flight like you see in >>12387994 because otherwise the acceleration at that point would be too great for the people/payload on board.

>>12388377
Sick animation skills.

>>12388377
You're talented, spess fren.

>Soichi Noguchi thanked Spacex for teaching him how to ride a dragon
Based, what a guy

>>12388328
11 hours would be Phillipines or Nepal. Can you square that circle for me?
And Starliner comes under ITAR, it's code was written in the US.
I understand, it's hard for you to accept how the mighty have fallen. Instead you blame other countries.

>>12388415
Lol 11 hours falls exactly on street shitter land you coping gay cunt.

>>12388418
Retard, did you fail in math?
Indian time is utc+5:30
Where's the 30 min in 11 hours?
>exactly
Yes you failed in high school math

>>12388421
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTC%2B05:30

>>12388428
And that doesn't correspond to 11 hours

>All this fucking debate over a shitpost I made when Starliner failed to reach orbit.
Yes, that whole Chenai local time shit was a shitpost.

>>12388469
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>12388475
I just woke up and wasn't even part of this debate. I posted that particular picture for a reason and that's to show that one of the first instances, if not the first of the whole CST-100 clock fuckup being attributed to India time was posted in a thread with that same picture.

So yes, that whole shitpost sure has grown up since then since people are repeating it as fact.

Memes become reality, anon. It's 2020.

>>12388421
Hey retard, if you're going to try to poke holes in that claim, just say that it being 11 hours off works out to UTC 6, not UTC 5 or even UTC 5:30 as normal westerners use hours in a general sense. If something took you 11 hours to complete, it could mean that it took you exactly 11 hours or up to 11 hours and 59 minutes. Possibly even slightly less than 11 hours, but that doesn't matter for timezones.

>>12388377

>>12388377
flawless
absolutely flawless

>>12386725
As great as that is, it doesn't match the sheer soul of the OG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4DdmOUvNp8

>>12388146
Isp is fuel efficiency, sort of like miles per gallon in a car. A tiny econobox car may be able to go a long way on its fuel but it's not going to tow a trailer. Getting to orbit is like having to tow a trailer just to get there, thrust is more important until you get to orbit.
Then once you get to space, a high Isp engine means you can go farther on a given weight of fuel, but says nothing about how fast you will get there. Ion engines are very efficient, but with very little thrust it takes a long time to change velocity.
>>12388154
>>12388161
Not this bullshit again. The MET clock was zero when the computer booted up on the pad, about 11 hours before launch, and was never synced with the launch time. If it could have been flashing 12:00 it would have.

>>12388154
Actually this meme originates from/sfg/. it's a funny meme though I didn't think people were dumb enough to believe it. None of Starliner software was written in India because of fuckin ITAR. You think the US govt would be okay with foreign nations programming their space hardware? lmao

>>12386547
Oneweb is launching 36 sats in mid December to bring their total to 110 sats. Trailing Starlink by 795 sats (and trail by 855 with December's starlink launch), but only planned to have about 650 in total. I wonder how long they can keep up as Starlink will need a lot more launches before their orbits cover UK and India.

>>12388566
>I didn't think people were dumb enough to believe it
Never underestimate the power of stupid. Especially on underwater Mongolian basket weaving forums. Doubly so on /sci/, just look at all the shit in the catalog, it's an outpost of /x/.
>>12388568
OneWeb is UK's Ariane, it's a way for them to have control of their own space thing, primarily so they could have their own GPS, because three systems from different countries isn't safe enough from being locked out in times of hissy fits. At least they got it at fire sale prices. But launching the rest of them at old-space prices (too soon for anyone but SpaceX to have cheap launches) isn't going to help.

>>12388377
Keep bullying Blue Origin. That's the only way these fucks will become an actual competitor. I'm dead serious. All of us need to keep bullying them or they'll never get anything done.

>>12388581
what incentive do they have when they get a yearly billion dollar paycheck from daddy? they do nothing, they get paid

>>12388580
I think they've given a contract for 3 Soyuz launches sometime within the next year or so. By that time, Starlink could be up to 1500-1700 sats.

>>12388581
They'll never become a competitor, they've discovered cost plus.

>>12388568
I don't get their business model or their target market. OneWeb satellites will be much higher up than Starlink so presumably they can't get any of the low latency internet market. I can't imagine their satellites will be that much better in terms of bandwidth capabilities so they must be much more limited for how many customers they can service with such a small fleet. They don't have the dirt cheap launches of SpaceX or the cheap satellites from economies of scale so how will they even be cost competitive?
>>12388580
I can see why the UK government investment makes some sense but why did Bharti Global invest? I don't think the Indian ownership percentage is high enough for OneWeb to sell internet in India and they already have cheap broadband with so many people living on top of each other.

tfw it took bezos 20 years to climb to 100 billion in net worth and it only takes Musk 11 months. that's mostly from tesla. and starlink + starship barely begun. it's no wonder bezos is so salty about musk, jeff will become a little man compared the musky behemoth. race to first trillionaire is getting interesting

>>12388609
Elon Musk still has comparatively little liquid wealth and most of it comes from loans using his Tesla shares as collateral. The problem is he cannot sell many of his shares without the price crashing and everyone crying exit scheme because how much the company depends on him. Tesla needs to master full self driving or greatly increase its energy business in order to stabilize the share price and then he'll be able to sell and truly BTFO Jeff Who.

>>12388624
all in due time

>By the time Skylon has its first flight Starship will have flown dozens of people to mars
Feelsbadman, SSTOs are so cool why do they have to suck

>>12388645
>Skylon
>flight
Optimistic.

>>12388645
>>12388648
skylon's first flight is planned for the 2040s right? hopefully elon will have sent at least tens of thousands of colonists to mars by then

Renderfag here, are there any never built projects /spa/ wants to see realised in 3D?

I’m specifically interested in moon base related stuff

>>12388645
Starship can technically be a SSTO assuming it's expendable with a light payload. Skylon BTFOed.

>>12388658
dolphin sex

need to get some irish to mars to secure independence

>>12387801
your tires need to be filled to 35 psi gauge, which is around 50 psi absolute

>>12388658
a big long truss structure with fuel and cargo cells that uses some form of nuclear electric propulsion with starships tethered to rotating sections of the truss, serving as both crew modules and planetary/lunar dropships to get crew to and from the surface of planets

>>12388178
he literally did though

>>12388659
> ha ha non-existent paper study concept that never went beyond scouting investments stage beaten by rocket built by multi-billionaire with backing of most powerful military-industrial complex in the world ha ha

>>12387742
No, it was the cosmonauts who were pissed because they thought the CIA was spying on them and would tell NASA about it. Don't think there was any official outreach though.

Jeff Benoz is a sleeping giant. Everyday he makes three decisions (breakfast, lunch, and dinner).

Elon "Fraud scammer" Musk, does he even sleep? Not fit to make decisions at all.

>>12388727
cry more,your precsious skylark is never hapening, just giv up

will sn8 land?

>>12388658
seconding dolphin sex, yeah

>>12388727
>complain about US backing when Skylon gets more funding from the US than its host nation

>>12388759
Either in pieces or full, or as a giant ball of fire. Most likely the latter.

>>12388759
what goes up, must come down

>>12388415
>11 hours would be Phillipines or Nepal
nepal and india are in the same time zone

>>12388769
it does?
source on that

>>12388714
>it's an even bigger difference than I'd previously thought
didn't even think of that
heckin wild desu

>>12388838
Locally they got 20m from BAE and 60m from the UK itself. From the US 37m from Boing, and an undisclosed amount from DARPA for high temperature testing facilities. So it depends on what you value the DARPA contract at. Also I'm mostly 'avin a laugh, it was just a really poor argument. Musk was worth millions not billions when he started SpaceX and they made orbit on less investment than REL has gotten, that being almost entirely internal, and when it started getting significant investment thereafter almost all of it came from launch contracts. You can't ask for launch contracts when you only have a pie in the sky multibillion dollar superproject under development.

>>12387775

Chang'e-5, China's lunar probe, successfully carried out its second orbital correction at 22:06 on Wednesday and continued its trip to the moon, according to the China National Space Administration (CNSA).
https://youtu.be/PRHo1Esx7TM

>>12388891
BO even can't spend "free money" faster than Old Space

>>12388891
bezos doesn't need any help slowing down the "progress" of new glenn

>>12388893
Good for them, landing is the hardest part, hopefully the probe survives.

>>12388744
Ol' Musky didn't even decide to get the coof, it just happened to him!
What kind of management style is that?
>>12388777
checked and Nerd NASCARed

wtf is dolphin sex and why do people keep talking about it?

i hope ching chong lunar sample return probe succeeds so there is more urgency in the west

>>12388941
There were multiple considered designs for the space shuttle, several of which involved coitus between rocket planes.

>>12388941
The ones here >>12388946 were a Lockmeme proposal, and this is the one from Convair, where it's a more conventional shuttle riding atop what I think could best be described as the bastard of a booster engine and a 747.

>>12387869
Something like 60Gs of acceleration.

>>12388891
Zubrin shitposting at oldspace will always be great.

>>12388981
I have a love hate relationship with Zubrin. He says pretty based shit from time to time but his actual ideas are just as bad as what he complains about.

>>12388994
He's a based retard.

>>12388658
I wanna see the Orion Nuclear Pulse craft.

>>12388146
Sexy engine

>>12389034
Why the fuck are shock diamonds so damn attractive?

>>12388658
American and Soviet nuclear pulse battleships having a casaba howitzer fight orbiting Jupiter.

>>12389048
Hasn't that already been done?

>>12388994

Many great pics inside SpaceX HQ

http://homeonmars.factualfiction.com/search/label/SpaceX

>>12388994
That recent Angry Astronaut video sold me on the mini starship concept. Zubrin is right about the risks of the standard Starship architecture.

>>12389096
>That recent Angry Astronaut video sold me
The ideas of a useful idiot filtered through a useless idiot. I'm not thinking too highly of your conclusions if that's what it takes.

I just wanna see some aerospikes fly, I don't care if they're pointless (no pun intended), I just think they're sexy

>>12389114
The RS-2200 and the other test powerhead were both based on unchanged plumbing from LOX/LH2 engines, I'm not convinced that all of the negatives associated with them are universal to the design. Even if you would have to take a hit to absolute TWR they're still useful as a "universal" engine that can be used in both stages of a two-stage rocket, since they stick close to the optimal efficiency curve at all pressures between 1 bar and vacuum.
If you design large diameter engines you can also use them as a transpiration cooled heatshield that can seamlessly transition into propulsive landing.
Your second stage can essentially be a gigantic capsule, except that instead of parachuting down it can perform a propulsive landing, presumably somewhat like what was proposed for Red Dragon.

>>12389105
Personally, it convinced me of the utility of having an intermediary step between no manned Martian exploration and full-on Starship. If SS actually works as well as Elon intends, it’d be unnecessary, but I’m somewhat skeptical of the overall safety of Starship, especially initially.

>>12389148
I have yet to hear one single good argument for "small Starships". The last time someone tried to make a point about it they argued that it eliminates refueling, which it most certainly doesn't.
I don't know what the safety argument is but I'm not seeing it, what is the part of Starship that you have a safety issue with and how does a mini Starship do anything about it? You still need vehicles designed to do every part of the mission profile, which means you still need to solve every safety concern, just unnecessarily broken up across two vehicles.

https://axel-springer-award.com/

Daddy Elon winning again.

>>12389047
immense amounts of energy

>>12389048
>>12389058
yes it has
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeUkrlxQ98

>>12389145
>Even if you would have to take a hit to absolute TWR they're still useful as a "universal" engine that can be used in both stages of a two-stage rocket, since they stick close to the optimal efficiency curve at all pressures between 1 bar and vacuum.
You don't need to take a TWR hit and use a melty spike do to the job of a TSTO though. The same basic engine can be used for both stages using bells with different expansion ratios. That's Falcon 9.

>>12388769
>>complain about US backing when Skylon gets more funding from the US than its host nation
Exactly how much funding has **Skylon** had then? Sweet fuck all. It's **SABRE** that's had the funding. Don't talk shit.

>>12389178
Nice

>>12388890
FFS. Musk himself has said SpaceX couldn't be done anywhere else than the US. I wish the UK were better at space as well and that Skylon had had some proper funding but let's not be stupid about things. It's just a coincidence that every successful private orbital company is US-based or has a large US presence, is it? Of course it bloody isn't.

>>12389197
Calm down, sweet tits. Sabre is part of the Skylon program. If we want to get technical, the funding is to REL.
>>12389205
Of course it's not a coincidence, Europeans and private opportunity go together like food and communism. But the random accreditation to "the powerful military-industrial complex" shows a complete lack of understanding of how SpaceX grew.

>>12389197
SABRE is Skylon's engine, funding invested in SABRE is funding invested in skylon. That being said, it is kind of like "First, build the engine, next, build the whole rest of the fucking plane." They'll still be needing to build a giant non-cylindrical LH2 tank and plumbing for it, liquid helium tanks for the prechillers, heat exchangers, a fully optimized airframe, a thermal protection system for reentry, etc, etc.

>>12386974
>1875
billy the kid got arrested for the first time in 1875
jesse james and his gang were still in the midst of their war with the pinkertons in 1875
wild bill hickok was still alive in 1876, would die a year later in august of 1876
the colt single action army revolver(the john wayne pistol) had only been in use for a few years
someone could've been alive for all of that and could've lived to see Apollo 11 come to fruition

why don't people talk about this?

>>12389251
That's the reason so many people think the moon landings were fake. They simply don't believe it was possible.

>>12389246
would a Methalox SABRE engine make more sense for weight to thrust?

>>12389262
iirc Hydrolox only barely makes SSTO theoretically possible with currently attainable dry mass ratios, they probably can't take any ISP hit.

>>12389256
Wrong, they distrust the government due to decades of propaganda. 60s/70s were the height or propaganda machine.