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>>12381006The ISS needs a second window.
>>12381010Zvezda has windows
>>12381010The world needs a second ISS.
>>12381016we should start to streamline space stations imo to reduce costs.
>>12381015I never knew that. How come we never get pics from it like we do with cupola?
>>12381018It's kinda shitty
>his lil babby cuckstation doesn't even have cool red chairsngmi
>https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/wokeists-assault-space-exploration/>https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2010/2010.08344.pdf>We must actively work to prevent capitalist extraction on other worlds, respect and preserve their environmental systems, and acknowledge the sovereignty and interconnectivity of all life. The urgency of finding a second home on Mars in the shadow of looming environmental catastrophe on Earth is not only a questionable endeavor 2 but scientifically impossible with present technology, 3 and is often used as a justification for human exploration and to suggest that these ethical questions may be antiquated in the face of that reality.>Obligations to Potential Future Life: Even if there is no extant microbial life on Mars or beyond, we must consider the impacts of our actions on geologic timescales. A human presence on an astrobiologically significant world could disrupt evolutionary processes already in place. >Preservation of Environments on Non-Habitable Worlds: Current plans for the Moon place in-situ resource utilization as a fundamental component of a long-term presence. Current policy does not adequately address questions relevant to preservation beyond sites of scientific value, and ignores questions of whether certain environments should be preserved for historical or environmental reasons, or even their intrinsic value. Aesthetics should also be considered.>Aesthetics should also be considered>AestheticsYou aren't going to support the colonial exploitation of space and the desecration of spiritual images for countless tribes around the world such as the Moon when our planet is dying from pollution and unrestrained capitalism, right, /sci/? You are going to support the liberal arts experts rallying to fight this looming ecological catastrophe and genocide, right, /sci/? You are on the right side of history, yes?
>>12381016>two useless moneysinks The world needs no ISS. A spingrav station would be useful.
>>12381025Like some backwards tripe is going to notice my Martian catgirl dungeon
>>12381025I'm going to put my brain on a slab of radiation hardened silicon in a cometary orbit right before I start my grand leftism funded Save The Planet from CO2 experiment where I sequester literally all atmospheric CO2, to save the lefties from their CO2 boogeyman and overpopulation in a single action.
>>12381035>tripeTribe*
>>12381039
>>12381039>>12381040lmao
>>12381003post kino images of the ISS or space shuttle (in space) at night please
>>12381051
>>12381051Preferably like this
Opinions on Chang'e-5 mission?https://youtu.be/17di8hZTSVc
>>12381118I don't like chinks, but atleast they're actually fucking doing something useful now.
>>12381118>Chang'e
>>12381154What's wrong with china?
refute this, /sfg/>protipyou can't
how would a space program work on a flat earth , /sfg/?
>>12381175Guys I think he might be right
>>12381177Dangle pods over the edge to check on the turtle's gender.
>>12381175
>>12381175>>12381208
If plasma magnet sails work, is there any reason they couldn't be put in starship? How long would the trip to Mars take if you used the sail to accelerate until you fired the raptors to slow down?
>>12381177drop a space ship from the edge of the world
>>12381003tour of the ISS from last yearhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snn1k_qEx20
>>12381175If the shadow of Earth's atmosphere is not red then why are sunsets redif the inner solar system is hot enough to make the Moon 370 celsius why is the Earth not 370 celsiusIf the Earth stays cool through some process of reflecting sunlight away, then why wouldn't we be able to replicate that exact process for smaller spacecraft, for example by covering them in reflective foil/paint
>>12381228>If plasma magnet sails work, is there any reason they couldn't be put in starship?Not any reason I can think of other than it may be hard to find a place to stuff one in. A Starship variant with a plasma magnet sail is certainly possible. >How long would the trip to Mars take if you used the sail to accelerate until you fired the raptors to slow down?First of all you can't use the raptors to slow down. You need to use the raptors to get away from Earth's magnetosphere so your plasma sail works. Second, plasma magnet sails can reach top speeds of ~400 km/s, so chemical propulsion is essentially useless to slow down, and in fact you can't use aerobraking either. Realistically, we would not use plasma magnet sails to get to Mars faster, we would use them to drag much more mass along with us to Mars. A 4 to 6 month trajectory is not an issue. A 1 month trajectory sounds nice but in reality you can't even slow down once you get there so it's actually a terrible idea. Rather, a plasma magnet sail lets you pull payloads as heavy as anything you can throw beyond Earth's magnetosphere all the way to Mars or beyond. So, dispose of the idea of getting to Mars faster than 4 months, to start. Also dispose of the idea of using plasma magnet sails as a means of reaching really high speeds, unless you are sending out fast flyby probes or sending things to Neptune (the only planet with a big enough magnetosphere to let you slow down from top plasma-sail speed). Instead, think of the plasma magnet sail as a way of letting a ten ton vehicle drag a billion ton asteroid onto a very different trajectory given a few months to work.
>>12381025Literally the only remotely valid reason to not stripmine every planetary body is because it would make the planets look like shit and would negate our option to terraform them.But really would we even need to? How much shit is out in just the inner asteroid belt?>>12381175Are Americans magicians? First they fake the most powerful weapon ever built so well that they trick all of Japan into thinking two of their cities were evaporated and then they trick the whole world into thinking they went to the moon. Is there any trick they can't pull off?>>12381296>and in fact you can't use aerobraking either.Why not? Just skim the very upper atmosphere to capture into a really high orbit and just continually do that over and over again.
>>12381331>to capture into a really high orbitThat requires slowing down below escape speed in a single pass or you're just passing by and it's not something you can realistically do when travelling at several 10s km/s.
>>12381208>>12381213you can even see the orange when in orbitit takes a real brainlet to not notice that most photos taken in orbit are taken in bright daylight, when orange is only noticeable during a sunset perspective
>>12381331>Why not? Just skim the very upper atmosphere to capture into a really high orbitThis requires a certain amount of delta V, in order to drop down to the maximum velocity you can have and still be in an elliptical Mars orbit. Depending on your incoming velocity, this eventually becomes impossible with Starship's TPS, and really with any reusable TPS coating, because the peak heating becomes just insanely high. Entry heating rises with the cube of the velocity or thereabouts.Capturing from higher velocities is a really hard problem because it works against you in every aspect. You're going faster, so you need to slow down more. You're going faster, so peak temperatures are worse. You're going faster, so you're spending less time actually down in the atmosphere before your orbit pulls you back up away form the surface. All these factors compound in such a way that to capture at Mars from higher velocities you need to dive significantly deeper into the atmosphere and experience WAY more heat load in order to slow down into a highly elliptical capture orbit. From there you can of course do as many little baby aerobraking passes as you want, but capture is a pass-fail event with one shot to perform. With that in mind, you can't use the fastest possible magnet sail trajectory to get to Mars in a few days because you don't have a fusion torch engine to slow down with and if you try to aerobrake from ~400 km/s to ~4 km/s you will either vaporize and get crushed by deceleration gees or you will pop back out of the atmosphere after being inside it for just a few seconds in total, then continue off on a solar escape trajectory because you didn't even slow down enough to get recaptured by the Sun's gravity.
>>12381051>at night please
>>12381118>Rendezvous to transfer sample back to return craftDoes this seem weird to anyone else? Maybe it's a technology demonstration for later missions, but it seems way easier to just send it straight back to earth
So, why haven't we renamed the Columbus module on the space station to something less offensive to people of color? Does the ESA just get off on glorifying and promoting the legacy of genocidal colonialists? We still live in the shadow of people like Christopher Columbus. Murderous goons like him destroyed something beautiful just to make a quick buck, and we exalt him for it. Disgusting.
>>12381454Because Europeans outside the UK don't care about Columbus. I reckon many hardy know about him
>>12381454We keep that name for shitposting purposes, well done using it anon.
So anyways....
>>12381454>offensiveBut Columbus was Italian, he IS a poc
Who was the retard yesterday who said roads were closed today?
>>12381461Imagine ramping off those hills on the rover
When are we hopping? I just want to hop!
>>12381461Lunar hills sure look weird when you're not used to lack of an atmosphere.
>>12381454Cringe
>>12381273Based; thanks for the link. Haven't seen this before. And an hour long, too.
>>12381277hes a schizo and thinks all rocket launches are cgi
>>12381463you might as well say all french people are POC too
>>12381557have you ever seen a french person? they very much are
>>12380352RetardMost animals on earth don't have fur.The evolution of fur is not guaranteed.Stop trying to justify your furry fantasy.
>>12381461
>falcon 9 fuel usagehttps://twitter.com/flightclubio/status/1330954332112449537holy shit this is nuts. It really is out by the time it lands
>>12381592Elon has gotten that shit down to a T. Fucking madlad makes it a weekly thing now. I didn’t realize those engines were literally pulling from the bottom of the barrel lmao
>>12381454realistically what was stopping blacky from cleaning his house so his sister wouldn't have been bit by a rat?
>>12381603Whitey on the Moon
>>12381571>implying non mammals are worth talking about
>>12381592The less fuel it has the more acceleration each unit of fuel gives
>>12381599it's actually insane that they are able to make it look easy and routine. There is literally no margin for error but they do it anyways. It'll be real interesting to see if anyone else has success at doing this. It's not something you can "fake" in any way.
>>12381619My uncle works at Blue and he told me Glenn would be priced $50-$60M. If true, Falcon 9 is obsolete.
>>12381592Those criticisms against propulsive booster landings make a little more sense now. Imagine trying to argue for it decades ago.
>>12381628Bwahahaha by the time it’s ready F9 will be in a museum and starship will be well on its way to Mars
>>12381629Imagine spending a decade arguing against it, only for it to be perfected. And then realize in order to match that you have no option to do a decade of trial and error yourself.
>>12381634Remember how musk said mk1 would do the 15km hop?Starship isn't going orbital until 2024.
>>12381635but to* But then again the former also kind of works since most oldspace organizations completely lack the integrity to go through with that.
>>12381628and my brother works for Steam
>>12381638>Remember how musk said mk1 would do the 15km hop?No, cite this claim please.
>>12381642Jokes aside, $60M is what Eric Burger said it would be
>>12381638And NG isn't going orbital until 2030
>>12381646SpaceX has some margin to lower the cost. Internal cost of launch is 28 mil.
>>12381646Seems optimistically low, but I'd like to see them try it.
>>12381571>Most animals on earth don't have furNon-mammals don’t matter
>>12381646That is impossibly optimistic when you consider they have yet to make orbit, it's a bigger rocket with an expendable hydrogen stage, and they are currently positioned about where SpaceX was after grasshopper and before ever flying F9. To hit that in the near future (before 2030) Bezos would probably have to bankroll the launches and sell at a loss, which seems like a very Bezos thing to do.
>>12381599>literally pulling from the bottom of the barrelThat's what makes it possible, that and staging earlier than most other rockets. What little fuel is left has much less to lift because it's an empty soda can.>>12381628>Falcon 9 is obsoleteGosh, if only they were building something to replace it while BO tries to catch up with F9.
>>12381571Fire is a function of hair. Hairs are from the same n evolutionary tree as scales. Almost all animals have scales
>>12381628I've been wondering if bezos will just personally subsidize New Glenn. He has enough cash for it.
>>12381592yup, and guess what happens when the merlins cut off? well they don't burp and replace them :)
>>12381701>:)
>>12381025>Written by NASA Ames Research Center public-communications specialist Frank Tavaresunbelieveablethat's a face straight out of 1940's propaganda cartoons
>>12381718>Do you think to escape this debtors prison?>Guess again
>>12381331>Literally the only remotely valid reason to not stripmine every planetary body is because it would make the planets look like shit and would negate our option to terraform them.Just make a bunch of O’Neill cylinders
>>12381724uh oh, someone's been watching too much isaac awthor
Reminder that exploration and expansion into lands, and the extraction of useful resources are in mankind's nature. Look at any map that shows how pre-historical man moved across the world, and you'll see it. To deny this, and instead wish for a half-measure that pretends to be exploration is literally an extinctionist's view.
>>12381736>100m in radiusThat's not even an O'neill cylinder.Zubrin is based, but he's a based retard. Don't forget.
>>12381638I mean I unironically could see Starship waiting until 2021 or 2022 to go orbital. Maybe 2023. But the point is, Blue Origin has been a company for 20 years and hasn't even gone to space yet. I don't know how in the FUCK they plan to suddenly come up with a reusable propulsive landing booster. It's not one of those things you can throw a quadrillion dollars at and expect to work right away (presumably). Although that being said I've heard rumors that BO is hammering their rocket tech out behind closed doors so maybe one day Bezos will just come out swinging with a fully functional rocket and launch it without notice. That would actually be based.
meanwhile at NASA...
>>12381415The heat shield weights a lot. It doesn't make sense to land on the Moon and take off again with it on board.Even if it was lightweight, why risk it on a landing where some rocks can be blasted up by the engine near the soil.
>>12381752God damn I hope it FUBAR's, or at least I hope the coding is so fucked that it starts a gravity turn 20 seconds into flight and for some reason the flight safety termination button doesn't work due to pajeet coding and the whole thing flies off to the nearest city and just eviscerates the entire area
>>12381003Photos of the ISS like this never fails to get me rock hard
>>12381724I'm all for O'Neill cylinders but the planets are still nice to have around.>>12381736Didn't someone do the math and figure out that using not even half of Phobos you could create enough habitats to equal the Earth's entire surface area?
>>12381744so you're saying you need to mine even more? what a waste. all that to build a little park for bezoz lmao
Virtual Youtubers are now streaming launches, apparentlyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8yoj3in3k8She also streamed F9, and plays KSP.
>>12381768A larger radius is more mass efficient per surface area, Zubrain. Also Bezos ain't got nothing to do with this because his bald ass is never leaving LEO.
>>12381760>flightI fucking hate this rocket
>>12381770Why would people watch this
>>12381781Still better than memeday astronaut.
>>12381767>>12381774cant even build cheap modular stations and you want to deconstruct a fuckin moon, who's the retard here? o'neill fags are as stupid as teraform fags. by the time either are feasible, the Adeptus Mechanicus will have full control of the Mars forge world. i can assure you they wont be planting gardens and building gay space parks
>>12381781
>>12381781makes my peepee hard to watch grown men roleplay as prepubescent girls. gets me off bigly
>>12381800I understand that vtubers are a thing. What I don't understand is why. I'm bored watching my friend play a game, let alone a stranger pretending to be an anime girl. It just seems alien to me.
>>12381797>cant even build cheap modular stationsSays who? The same people who haven't been able to do anything quick or cheap in the aerospace industry for the past fifty years?
>>12381797>cant even build cheap modular stationsWe can. It's just that oldspace never wanted to do that.
>>12381774It's harder to build a city in the middle of the ocean than on a barren land off the coast. You need everything people on land needs plus land.
>>12381816>>12381810Who exactly is your savior, because Axiom and Benoz are basically just oldspace 2.0
>>12381820Me.I'll make the stations myself.
>>12381797O'neill cylinders are the answer for the fags who refuse to live anywhere that doesn't have exactly Earth conditions. They aren't a short term solution and they don't have to be because their competition is terraforming against which they are both faster and greater scale for a given input. It doesn't matter that they're not a short term solution because they aren't being proposed as one, except maybe by Bezos which again no one cares what his bald ass thinks.
>>12381820The 4ASS inflatables division. We hired the world's best inflation fetishists to design the sturdiest and cheapest inflatable habitats, as long as you don't mind the station looking like a mix of that one scene in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and The Human Centipede.
>>12381827Space is even less like earth than mars. The argument makes no sense.
>>12381828>inflatables
>This is the space force Mr.Bezos. "Scheduled to launch" means nothing. It's worse then nothing.
>>12381827>living at the bottom of gravity well>ishiggydiggyMars is just shitty Earth>>12381820The Big
>>123818284ASS concept proposal: Inflatable rovers, frame and controls assembled from kit and the main enclosure inflated after attaching. Fit a whole car in a nice little box you can bring to the moon with you.
>>12381832>Earthlike atmospheric pressure, Earthlike gas composition, Earthlike g force>I-it's less like Earth than Mars because of my small brain
>>12381834Mr. Dobson! Welcome to 4ASS.
>>12381718Son of a bitch. When I read the name it didn't sound THAT jewish but... damn.
>>12381843>relying on people at the bottom of gravity wells to donate you space welfare for your survival
>>12381851There is 0 atmosphere in space and 0 g in space. If you can build onein space then you can do it on Mars 100x easier.
>>12381820Why would it exist now? We have to have a colony on Mars first, so that we can send gigatons into orbit without worrying about all the dumb Earth shit.
>>12381846So an Apollo rover, but with the habitat from Bubble Boy attached to it? I can get into that idea. The inflatable part would have to be made from something very tough and piercing resistant in the event of a rollover though. Maybe an aluminum chainmail cover?
>>12381859>what is asteroid beltyou bottom feeders will give anything for a small sliver of metal we can just pick off like a ripe fruit and we might not even drop it on your cities - for now
>>12381864There's a limit to how big it's practical to build something within a gravity well while spinning it up to net 1g and keeping it there. You have structure concerns and losses that don't exist in orbit.
>>12381736>1km by 100mSomebody needs to tell Zubrin they're supposed to be like, 100-1000km long by a few km wide, plus you dont build one, you use the material of an entire planet to build millions of them, plus billions-trillions of solar collectors for your dyson sphere lmao O'Neill cylinders are supposed to be the size of large countries
>>12381869The inflatable bit would need a third of it or so sectioned off for an airlock, unless you plan on venting the whole thing every time you want to go outside. I like your light chainmail idea, make it light like those metal mesh gloves some chefs use when cutting food.On the idea of assembly, I'd need to see if a disassembled rover in a box took up less space than one designed to fold up like a lawnchair instead.
>>12381018The russian even have a small window in their sleeping compartment.
>>12381869kevlar is better in every way
>>12381869>Aluminum chainmail>Aluminum>Chainmail
>>12381911Yes and?
>>12381889Thats a problem only if you think you need the 1g on extremely large scale on mars. Which is likely not going to be the case. Whatever relevant amount of structure that can handle on mars will handle the population of million+ just fine. The same can't be said of gigantic space structure due to stress/shear from the material engineering standpoint. Giant space station with material science for the foreseeable future is a death trap. The same can't be said of mars. Mars can have material science from 50 years ago and still be safe. Then there are issues of logistics of building such a large scale structure in space vs mars, radiation, lack of natural resources, that possibly of anything large scale in space quickly becomes stupid.
>>12381909>not donning mail on your battle rover to retake the holy land on the edge of Mare Marginis
Boca road closure in effect now.
>>12381932Looks like pads clear now
>>12381932https://www.cameroncounty.us/spacex/>Closure Cancelled
>>12381932>>12381938what are they doing? pop or static?
>>12381945Static test for the new engine. If successful, then later this week, we'll see 15km flight.
>>12381942Get your eyes checked anon.
>>12381950Feels like deja vu, didn't this happen already leading up to the last static fire? Did the concrete shrapnel really fuck up one of the raptors that badly?
>>12381959It fucked with avionics cable, so they quickly changed the raptor, repaired the concrete, put in steel and added water cooling surface system.
>>12381487>When are we hopping? I just want to hop!
>>12381961How long would it have taken NASA to do that
>>12381961Was raptor actually affected or did they just swap again as a precaution? Doesn't really matter I guess.
>>12381998Couple of years.
>>12382000Swap out for speed, precaution, study, etc.
>>12381998It can be done in about 6 months for a small amount of $50 million. However, I would like to remind you that this yearlong process may run into unknowns which might drain the $100 million budget. Have no worries though, this $500 million project will be completed in five years, a blisteringly fast pace! So, what do you say? Do you like the idea of this ten year long project that is valued at over one billion?By the way, we will provide a thousand jobs in Huntsville.
>>12382008>Senator Shelby likes this post
>>12381770Fucking weebs
>>12382008>concrete steel shield forged from ore mined in all fifty states, by law
>>12381770
>>12381025Take this crap to reddit or one of the other threads you make every day.
>>12381175kek
>>12381770Pekora KSP when?
>>12381175oh no guysthe jig is upat least I got my $1 per post from NASA
>>12381807These are big money projects. I'm pretty sure they hire actual women to do the voices.
>>12381564you're retarded
>>12382037Never, she's too much of a peanut brain for that.
Does every Hydrogen engine have a thrust/weight ratio less than one or is it just the RS-25s?
>>12381994Static fire should be today or tomorrow. Flight by end of the month.
>>12381683>Fire is a function of hairWhat did he mean by this?
>>12382105Fur
>>12381817You're correct, which is why the first colonies in space will be on the Moon and Mars. However, once we are living and growing on Moon/Mars, it's not that big a leap to start colonizing the asteroid belt, and to do that you're kinda forced to live in spinning bottles. Even though it's harder, eventually the growth in the asteroid belt will exceed the maximum practical carrying capacity of any planet, simply by sheer numbers of spinning bottle ships you can build out of even 1% of the asteroid belt's mass. The overwhelming population cap of the asteroid belt will result in orbital habitats eventually becoming the dominant way of life among all of humanity, and certainly for any colony offshoots that make the trip to other stars. If you show up at a new star with your space habitat fleet and all the planets are Mars-like at best and just generally shitty, you're not going to bother actually colonizing them, you're just going to send down enough industry to start strip mining and sending shit back up to your fleet, building out another swarm of habitats. Every now and then you may find a planet with life or near-habitable conditions and decide to terraform it and keep it as a sort of nature park world, but everything dead is getting mined down for materials, and a lot of arriving fleets won't even give a shit about planets enough to care about alien life or almost-Earth-clone planets.
>>12382105Either complete schizo or he meant to say fur? I think he's trying to point out that from an evolutionary standpoint it went scales - feathers - fur
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-Wu_S2qTAstatic brap incoming
>>12382118>evolutionary standpoint it went scales - feathers - furNo it didn'tFur and feathers are completely sperate.
>>12382120Why do the folks over at NSF sound like world of warcraft commentators
>>12382120>Tfw we get to see yet ANOTHER raptor suicide after 2 seconds of use
>>12382131Because they probably are lmao, I just mute it.
>>12382128https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/human-hair-bird-feathers-came-reptile-scales
>>12381920Not enough tensile strength you shaved ape.
>>12382138You link doesn't support you.It does explicitly says fur came from scales, not feathers.
>>12382128Well good point. I should have done a tree. [math]-SCALES[/math][math]\prec[/math][math]\frac{FEATHERS}{HAIR}[/math]
>>12382146There you go
>>12382143Not sure if retard
>>12382146Fucking TeX always works in the preview and then shits the bed when you submit
>>12382133Think about their age group. Complete onions brain.
>>12381638It isn't that hard for starship to go orbital once the 15 kilometer hop is over, a lot of people don't realize this. First stage booster landing will be very easy, they've already perfected that. What SpaceX probably won't get until either very late 2021 or 2022 is second stage landing.
Musk just surpassed Bill Gates and is now the second richest man in the world behind Bezos.
>>12382000>>12382003it shit liquid turbo pump out of the engine bell
How small is the chance that CCP's new moon goals will light a fire under the dem's and not cancel artemis?
>>12382177Where does most of his wealth come from? Tesla or SpaceX?Congrats to you Elon, I know you're lurking here
>>12382206Tesla almost entirely, spaceX currently operates as a net negative, but once Starlink goes online, Musk will probably be the richest person on Earth
>>12382160If sn8 survives the hop, there will be zero recovery for Boeing lmao
>>12382206500b x 20% = 100b50b x 51% = 25.5bThat's his ownership and valuation. Spacex is undervalued right now too, its about 100b-200b atm but hasn't been updated yet.
>>12382211>spaceX currently operates as a net negativeDo we know that? Not sure what kind of financials they’ve actually published. My understanding was that private investment rounds have offset their expenses in non profitable periods.
>>12382219They're profitable but r/d for starship/starlink comes from sale of shares that happens last year.
what do you think is going to happen with the static fire today, /sfg/?https://www.strawpoll.me/35205819
>>12382203Zero. At best it'll become joint operation ala iss but lead by the Chinese and that's only if they don't tell us to fuck off.>capsule ready>rocket in the making>lander tests soon
>Too windy in Boca, have to mute labpadre cam to keep it on in background>Wind is also shaking the camera to hell and it's too visually distracting to have up on the secondary monitor while I'm doing other stuffFuck wind
>>12382272Glad I'm not the only one with this problem
>>12382268>joint operation>NASA&CCP joint operation>chinese steal everything and then tell everybody to fuck off for being racist.
>>12382272My big toe itches and I don’t want to take my shoe off to scratch it. Prolly just gonna kms.
>>12382272We should remove the atmosphere.
>>12382293The Trinity test not setting the atmosphere ablaze was a grave injustice.
source?
>>12382177 =>>>12382306
>>12382272>Too windyTry it with a home theater amp and subwoofers. Sounds like my whole house is about to take off. I usually just open only the popout chat anyhow until I now it's Happening.https://www.youtube.com/live_chat?is_popout=1&v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M
>>12382306http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacetug.php#boeingnep
>Max bought a jetGod I hope We Gaans Lewis'
>>12382037>>12382078https://youtu.be/JDNFCKRXlDc you guys feel pretty stupid don't you
>>12382312>>12382177>second ?????also>Bernard Arnault & familyliterally who
>>12382322>literally whoLouis Vuitton
>>12382306https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/nov/24/elon-musk-bill-gates-tesla-share-price-microsoftApologies for the spam of popups, I have adblocker and it still raped my screen lmao
>>12382080RS-25 has a TWR of ~75, it's the core stage of SLS that was designed too big with too few engines to lift itself without boosters.
>>12382322I was being cheeky and posted a random Atomic Rockets link to the aimless "source" post, but the correction came before my comment.
>>12382177dammit elon
>>12382322I think in terms of individuals. The gay ass Vuitton family surely has all their money in accounts tied to 20-50 people. Bezos and Musk are individually rich, and Gates has it shared with his wife but I think they count them both together because y'know... its the Gates family
>>12382211>spaceX currently operates as a net negativeNot according to literally anyone outside of ESA or Roscosmos
>>12382331bruh fashion makes more money than electric cars and that during the ((coof))
>>12382322>up 7 billionTOTHE MOOOOON
>>12382322Any hope he can fund Mars before everything gets NATIONALIZE'd?
>>12382322That info is old. Musk is now close to 130-140b
>>12382386yeah
Guys, I had a dream with Starship in it
>>12382392what's kind of dream?
>>12382386God DAMN how do you even start to generate that amount of money? Sell a company to a bigger company and then keep making smart business choices?
>>12382268Democ Rats won't cancel the Artemis. Not with ESA involved. They can postpone it at worst, try some political shit, like first black astronaut on the moon, or sending first muslim to Mars. But they can't cancel shit.
>>12382341>RS-25 has a TWR of ~75Not only is that unremarkable, but more importantly is thrust per area. A fucking Falcon 9 has more thrust than the SLS core stage because, despite a much greater base, it only has enough room for four RS25s.Accept it. The SSME is fucking garbage.
>No static fire today
>>12382320>What's a Space Shuttle?>A bullet train in the sky?Where does this fall on the compass?>>12382347That thumbnail actually got me.
>>12382404It's engine designed for SSTO's it's not meant to go on expendable rockets.
>bezos makes money by tricking his workforce comprised of low iq third worlders into not unionizing>musk makes money by tricking the US government comprised of high iq dual citizens into giving him moneywhich is more impressive?
>>12381736That's less than one billion dollars of raw materials, or less than 1/155th the cost of the ISS. If Starship only manages to get costs down to $100/kg (as opposed to the $20/kg they're shooting for) then establishing an Oneill Cylinder of 100m/1km will be less than a trillion dollars. If Starship does succeed in getting costs down to $20/kg, then this mega-station will cost a billion dollars LESS than the ISS, at only 154Bn.
>>12382411Earth-based SSTOs have never existed and never will, and SSME would not be suitable if they did.
>>12382406https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-Wu_S2qTAit's scrubbed?
>>12382417The former because its applicable to society at a grander scale.
>>12382417Musk dodges unions too lol, no one wants to deal with American unions
>>12382417Musk because he has actually done a good deal of impressive shit with his dinky little company, turning it into a household name
>>12382394I was driving around a swamp in an airboat being chased by a giant snake, and I jumped into the air at extreme speeds like a superhero to escape it, and while I was traveling through the air, I saw one of the Starship prototypes on the test stand out in the swamp, only it was colored orange
>>12382422They have 2 hours and the pad isn't even clear.
>>12382419Pretty sure raw materials would only be a small fraction of the cost of actually creating a station like that unless you created some super bot that could do it.
>>12382395you have to get to a field early or revolutionize it in some way. Musk has done one or both of these with all of his post-paypal companies>>12382398Jim was pretty smart with the Artemis Accords. >>12382404>A fucking Falcon 9 has more thrust than the SLS core stage that's just sad >thrust per areaI love how SpaceX considered this in their Raptor design by making it mostly taller instead of wider compared to the merlin. As a result of this the merlin has better T/W but the Raptor probably has better thrust/area.
>>12382451But you would, because a large amount of automated assembly and construction is the way forward in space for very large orbital projects anyways.
so, uh, who did she vote for?
>>12382421With minor advances in material science its trivial to make SSTO. That was part of the premise behind the SSME and the whole hydrogen thing.
>>12382469Yeezus
>>12382470>SSTOs are easy!>building the SSTO is trivial and left as an exercise for the reader
>>12382470But a reusable TSTO with say, common aerospike engines on both stages where the booster does a Falcon style boostback landing and the second stage either ass-slams or bellyflops back down using either it's own engine or heat tiles as a shield is far superior to an anemic LH2 SSTO which has to focus almost all of it's engineering on sheer mass reduction, sacrificing TWR, ease of manufacture, cost, payload, and basically every other attribute it has just to scramble to orbit before it runs out of propellant. It would also thus have a much thinner margin for error compared to a Metha/LOX TSTO or even Kero/LOX TSTO.
>>12382469>Why yes, I did write in Ron Paul. How did you know?
>>12382438that means you are afraid of your latent homosexuality, but hope you will find the right man to pull you out of closet
>>12382438>only it was colored orangean ominous sigh
can we have microtonal turkish acid house on marshttps://youtu.be/6g4Y9bKTh-M
>>12382477>>12382489Kek
>>12382438>only it was colored orangeUm, anon...
>>12382419Exactly how much bigger would the station be than the ISS?>>12382460I'm talking something like this.It would still be massively expensive either way though. I do, however, believe it's something we should absolutely do regardless.
>>12382470>minor advances in material science Meanwhile over 50 years since the start of the shuttle program and the best material is stainless steel.
>>12382494>>12382508>paint Starship orange>offset the engines>bolt a Dreamchaser to one side>sell it to NASA as new ShuttleName five reasons this wouldn't work.
>>12382508surely they could fit in another RS-25 on the bottom. Looks like there's room.
>>12382508Isn't the SLS payload to orbit more like 110 tons?
>>12382531I think SNC tried selling dreamchaser as a "non-descriminating" payload. They specifically said it could be slapped on to a F9 or a Vulcan or an SLS. I don't think NASA gave a shit though lmao
>>12382398NPC: the post
>>12382532those engines belong in a museum
>>12382387He's now at 133B. That's with Tesla @ 526B x 20% + SpaceX @ 52B x 54%. SpaceX @ 100B wold put him in $160B, and thats set to be updated soon too with Starlink coming online right now.
>>12382553What's he wrong about? Or are you just mad that your favourite horse got called out?
>>12382548Poor dreamchaser
>NASA and the U.S. Department of Energy will seek proposals from industry to build nuclear power plants on the moon and Mars to support its long-term exploration plans.>The goal is to have a flight system, lander and reactor ready to launch by 2026.They won't deliver it on time, will they?https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/15/why-nasa-wants-to-put-a-nuclear-power-plant-on-the-moon.html
>>12382548https://youtu.be/vJusFOj1dHw
>>12382532They could only find so many in museums
>>12382522Imagine:>plastic that can be molded into any shape!>heat resistance comparable to refractory metals like tungsten!>strength comparable or superior to steel at all temperatures!>weight lower than aluminum!Forget just the fuselage, just think of what we could do if we optimized that kind of material for the combustion chamber of the engine! We could run stoic fuel ratios at thousands of atmospheres!
>>12382395He doesn't actually have that much money in liquid form, that's just the value of the Tesla stock that he owns. The way rich people use that money is by taking loans against their stock.
>>12382508NASA awarded another $400 million to JWST when they moved the launch date to October from March. JWST was started in 1995 with an initial proposed budget of $500 million and proposed launch date in 2007. They have now spent over $15 billion on the project. If its not ready for launch by June of next year then they're going to need even more money for JWST because it needs to be at the launch site 65 days prior to launch and moving the thing to the docks to get it to ship in time for launch mean that it they need everything ready to go by sometime in June.
>>12382560I have to admit it makes me a bit nervous that Musk is about to become normie public enemy number one just at the time when Tesla and SpaceX are revving up to do their most exciting work (in-house batter production+new vehicle lines for Tesla, Starlink and Starship).
>>12382567transparisteel when
>>12382575I hope it RUDs so NASA learns a lesson about putting all their eggs in one basket. It should be illegal for NASA to build less than two of anything.
>>12382575Well at least we are getting a space telescope someday. Show some gratitude.
>>12382561>>12382398what measures did NASA inject into artemis to make it resistant to shifting politics every 4yrs?
>>12382563they never do
>>12382577Musk's net worth will briefly crater when the EV bubble pops>>12382581International agreements. If NASA pulls out they're pissing off every other space agency, especially JAXA.
>>12382585They don't need to pull out. The entire thing can be redirected to a space station or some other project.
>>12382580>*appropriates ur funds*>t-thanks for existing, JWST
>>12382567>costs more than entire budget of zimbabwe per kg
>>12381457What? spanish, portuguese and italian people don't care about columbus? Wtf?
>>12382565>rocket science is just putting things together in MS PaintMove over Elon
>>12382585musk is banking on the ai driving thing to keep tesla's momentum going after the ev hype dies
>>12382585>Musk's net worth will briefly crater when the EV bubble popsThis, Tesla is currently overvalued, though depending on the timing of it Musk might have already put SpaceX solidly on Mars, which will counterweight Tesla's devaluing
>>12382567>microwaveable and dishwasher safe!>low in calorie!>fully supporting HD and 4K resolution!>ribbed for her pleasure!>Hallal!just take my money dude
>>12382575post yfw the Ariane 5 this thing is on explodes
>>12382601Tesla as a company will do fine but they won't be worth half a trillion dollars when the bubble pops. They'll get back to that valuation over years of actually delivering on it.
>>12382602>Tesla is currently overvaluedHow? The new trend in banning the sale of ICE cars isn't going away anytime soon. First California then the UK did it.
>>12382567>>12382593>So... you are 828% overbudget beyond the appropriated 51 billion dollars for the project and...>you just found out the miracle material, uh, "reacts energetically with oxidizer"?>What does that mean, anyway?
Is the only reason rockets aren't built out of titanium that it's not worth using such an expensive material on something disposable?Meaning that fully-reusable rockets may switch to titanium construction.
>>12382604
>>12382567Is this material vegan?
>>12382613not happeningsomething about titanium not doing well under cryogenic temps
>>12382613Titanium is almost impossible to weld and machine, is heavier than al and has some other peculiar issues. The blackbird was... leaky. Drawing on it with the wrong marker breaks it too.
>>12382605>bubble will pop any day now-t 20 years of being wrong
>>12382631I don't get where the idea that electric vehicles are a bubble comes from, pretty much everything points to them only continuing to become larger, doubly so if fusion is coming this decade and triply so if room-temperature superconductors end up being feasible.
>>12382637>It will work, we just need this meme technology and this double meme technologyLmao what a response anon. Although I agree with you; I don’t see why people think it HAS to be a bubble. I think all car manufacturers will go electric eventually
>>12382595Of course they do, though not in the same way as many Americans now do (negatively) afaik. I was thinking more central, eastern, and Balken
Given that SpaceX is cosying up to the US military, and kinetic bombardment is a superior and far cheaper alternative to cruise missiles if you have a cheap launch vehicle (i.e. Starship), I think it's likely that SpaceX will launch a kinetic bombardment system. Probably very discreetly.
>>12382322>>12382387>worlds richest personLmao. The actual richest people and famalies are not on lists such as these.
>>12382628>The blackbird was... leakyyeah but it looked cool and that makes everything ok
>>12382637They come from the idea that Tesla is fake and Elon Musk is a fraud. That it. That\s 90% of the "EV is a BUBBLE" talk. The shorts on Tesla has lost close to probably hundred billion now and they don't know what to do about it.
>>12382580
>>12382654Starship could launch 1000 satellites with propulsion that could act as a smart kinetic bomb that can maneuver in orbit.
>>12382648It already will continue to work and grow without either of those.>>12382654>Ni hao SpaceX, for what reason might you be launching so many of those big steel rockets to deliver so many payloads all into orbits in a line directly covering all of the most populous Chinese cities?
cars leaving the pad now. They have 1:25 left in the testing window. Wonder if they can rush the SF?
>>12382648If anything Tesla benefits from those things not existing, as it's positioned to take advantage of the current paradigm (more renewables come online = more storage demand for grid-balancing and offsetting peakers).
>>12382681Tesla needs the global EV market to grow. Larger the space, larger the customer base. There is a 1 billion+ car market thats set to grow into 2-3 billion in the next 50 years.
>Oh no no no I'm a rocket man
>>12382681Renewables suck ass and will never replace fossil fuels.
>>12382673>*translates behind u*
>>12382713cope>>12382686There is not a 1b+ car market, new car sales are under 60m/yr and contracting. And despite contraction of the overall market Tesla only grabs more of the market every year. So no they don't need any help with demand.
>>12382663You realize the shorts are the reason Tesla got so high in the first place, not any actual valuation based on things like "sales" or "profit", right? Tesla has been the world's most impressive short squeeze, but people who actually think Tesla will grow at 100% per year for the next 10 years are dumb. You know Toyota has a larger R&D budget, right?
>>12382737There are billion+ cars on the road that needs to be converted to EV. Whether its 60M/y or 50M/y, all that matters is that the entire fleet needs to be changed over 15-30 years.
>>12382673That's a good point, the orbits would pass close to or over likely targets.However, SpaceX is already planning to have lots of satellites orbiting over every country in the world. Any given country could have hundreds of satellites that could hit them with kinetic bombardment if carrying such a weapon.It'd be worth looking out for anomalies, upgrades, or in-orbit maintenance relating to Starlink satellites on orbital paths that bring it close to two of the three most likely targets of the US: Middle East, China, or Russia.
>>12382742No one thinks tesla will grow 100%. Even the bulls think Tesla will grow ~30-40% per year on avg. The bears think Tesla will die yesterday. That's the problem with the two case. One is based on optimistic future, another is based on fiction.
>>12382748>There are billion+ cars on the road that needs to be converted to EV.No.
>>12382742>You know Toyota has a larger R&D budget, right?Tesla has such a high valuation because people have been saying stuff like this for 10 years, and big auto companies still haven't made a dent in tesla's market share.
>>12382713>replaceWho said anything about replacing? People are going to have to make sacrifices.We're entering a new era. The world is getting hotter. Biodiversity is plummeting. Average people are starting to notice, and they're asking how they can help. Well, now they can help. They can help by scaling back some of the first world luxuries they've been privileged to have for the last century or so. A across the board decrease in energy usage is coming, and we're going to have to live with it whether we like it or not.There are certain things we aren't meant to gamble on, and the very health of our planet is oen of those things. We need to be responsible for a change. Sacrifices will be made whether we like it or not. It's perfectly fine to feel a sense of loss for the lives we've lived over the past 100 years, but this is how it has to be. We have to do something.
>>12382748Except that's not a thing that's every going to happen and you're actually retarded if you think otherwise. There's still fucking Sunfires on the road today.>>12382754>no one thinks Tesla will grow 100%Then it's overvalued, the end. The current valuation can only be justified with explosive growth. Being salty about "dah beers" is not an argument.>>12382759>conflates SpaceX and TeslaPost discarded
>>12382765>its overvalued-t 20 year bear caseTesla is not just EV, its solar, battery, energy storage, and potential ai/fleet self driving taxi service, etc
>>12382765>conflates SpaceX and TeslaI never conflated them, it's just an interesting picture. Here it is for tesla.
>>12382767>but but naht just caaahhhsYes, Timmy, we've heard your mindless refrain over and over and over. Tesla is grossly overvalued by any metric without explosive growth that not even self proclaimed bulls predict. Being a pissbaby won't change that.>>12382768Now show all passenger vehicle sales. Tesla has a sub-2% market share.
>>12382770>X company is values high because they are dominating the sandwich market for 10 years with no clear competitor>"Oh yeah? Well they only control 2% of the restaurant market, what do you say to that?"
>>12382768>>12382770Here, I did it for you. Tesla's actual market share. Below Mazda and above Land Rover. Market cap larger than the rest of the chart combined.
Any of you sticks in the mud ever thing that maybe people are investing in Tesla because they're trying to aid in the development of a clean future, and not necessarily aiming to get filthy rich? Are you that cynical?
>>1238277030-40% yoy growth is explosive growth in a market that's shrinking. Every other car market is shrinking yoy.
>>12382782I say that the sandwich market is a subset of the restuarant market, and valuing X as worth more than the rest of the entire restaurant industry combined because you like their sandwiches is retarded.>>12382784>wahhh why are you cynical about the stock marketThe stock market is an institutionalized casino, not some "force for social change" or whatever. The sooner you realize that and start playing to win, the sooner you can stop being a wagie.
>>12382785There's also 2 factories coming up online next year that's gonna shit out so much car. I suspect they'll get close to 1+M car sales per year
By the way I don't think Tesla is going to zero or whatever strawman you believe I think, it's a profitable company and can keep doing what they're doing indefinitely. The problem is the price of shares is hilariously inflated above their actual value, 2001 style. Microsoft was a good company in 2001 and you'd have made money by now if you bought and held. But that doesn't mean the dot com bubble wasn't a bubble. Look at every other EV play, especially SOLO and NKLA. People are just dumping money into any company with a battery.
>>12382802The problem is only Tesla has any viable plan for expansion, only Tesla has built out its charging network, only Tesla has a mass produced EV, only Tesla has integration, etc. There are lot of fake EV companies jumping in the market hoping for quick buck like NKLA/SOLO/etc, but they have nothing on Tesla.
>>12382761finally a realist
>>12382802>SOLOThree wheel meme>NKLA These hydromeme fucks tried to sell a pusher and outsource all of their components, including drivetrain, lmao.The death of this shit is an indication AGAINST 'muh bubble' because one of the most insidious indications of a bubble is propping up stocks with poor fundamentals. The actual bubble right now is the fucking chinks.
>>12382761No way, fag
Soooo, scrub?
>>12382825>The actual bubble right now is the fucking chinks.SEC is trying to get the Chinese companies listing in the US market to open up about their financials and see if its legit or not. 90% of them are bubbles fueled by the CCP gov.
>>12382825>The actual bubble right now is the fucking chinks.I agree and as I said Tesla is a solid company but I can't in good faith believe Tesla's $500B valuation will survive the chinkshit EV bubble popping. Even good tech companies went on fire sale discounts when 2001 popped, not just pets.com>>12382761The only thing preventing massive civil unrest and an American civil war is the fact that everyone is fat, fed, and has plenty of TV and porn. Take that away and suddenly the molon labe types will actually get off the couch.
>>12382839Maybe some wind issues with the boca. Shit's too shaky.
>>12382833>>12382844
>>12382839On the Starlink launch? As far as I can tell it's set four hours from now and is 80% go
>>12382713>>12382761just follow france's lead and embrace nuclear, dumbasses. No carbon and minimal other waste, especially with new tech. It also respects natural habitats unlike renewables which demand massive stripped and barren plains. Fission will also give us an energy SURPLUS which we can spend on next-gen science like next LHC. Any "environmentalist" that fails to bring up these points isn't actually serious about helping the environment and instead has a bunch of stock in renewables.
>>12382854Boca's time limit is till 5, there's ~40 mins left now for today's test.
>>12382850I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation in America. The right is ready for a shooting war WITHOUT you trying to take away their Fat Burgers.
>>12382850>do what I sayno
>>12382862Just market Cybertruck with an uparmor package.
About all this Tesla stuff, you have to consider that they're not just tied to the EV market.They're also part of the luxury vehicle market, and self-driving market.Even if being an EV suddenly counts for nothing, Tesla is still a top tier brand, unlike other EV companies where their only quality is being electric.So they don't stand nearly as much to lose from an EV bubble.
>>12382855Current paradigm fuel cycle is highly pozzed. Fast breeders or bust.
>>12382855>nuclearhaha nohttps://www.greenamerica.org/fight-dirty-energy/amazon-build-cleaner-cloud/10-reasons-oppose-nuclear-energytl;dr>nuclear waste>eventual nuclear proliferation>threat to national security>Chernobyl tier accidents>cancer risk>required retooling to switch from mining coal to uranium ore>not enough suitable land>it's too expensive>it competes with safe renewable alternatives in the short term to the detriment of the long term>developing countries without the ability to sustain nuclear power would need to rely on rich countries
>>12382862>The right is ready for a shooting warlol no they aren't>>>/pol/
>>12382887Come and take it.
>>12382881I legitimately want to strangle whatever pathetic crab felt compelled to type out that waste of space.
>>12382881>lies and crabs in a bucket faggotryThis justifies shooting communists
>>12382761Nah. Fuck nature.
>>12382737>copeRenewables can’t provide baseload. Cope.
>>12382881List of lies and nonconcerns lol
>>12382913muh sabatier
methane is condensing
>Venting with 20 minutes left
>>12382895>>12382905>>12382930If the article was wrong, you would've debunked it. You haven't.>>12382911you won't have a choicethis decision will be made for youhell, it probably already has been
>>12382532Okay, so 5 then. It’s still a piece.
>>12382935Might work on Mars but domestic earth life has a whole different of energy needs
>>12382944>noooo post a ten paragraph takedown of my shitpostsNah lol
>>12382913Don't care lol. Call me when the growth trend reverses baby.
>>12382944What part of "we'll fucking shoot you" do you not understand
>>12382956>Don't care lolSo you don’t care that renewables can’t replace fossil fuels. Kk
Nuclear waste and disasters are non problems?
>>12382965Complete replacement isn't my concern or my claim. The claim you cried about was mine that Tesla benefits from the growth of renewables. And they benefit specifically from the very variation you're whining about, as it provides storage opportunities. Just how dumb are you?
Venting
>>12382976are you describing the thread or the Starship
>>12382983Yes
>>12382320Would Elon hire her?
>>12382967>Nuclear wasteCan be used as nuclear fuel or simply locked in a warehouse or thrown in some pit. Never been a serious issue.> disastershttps://www.statista.com/statistics/494425/death-rate-worldwide-by-energy-source/Meltdowns are very unlikely with modern reactor designs, and the ones that did happen killed barely anyone anyway. Coal kills more people annually than died from Chernobyl, Fukushima, and Three Mile Island combined.
>>12382976
>>12382973>The claim you cried about was mine that Tesla benefits from the growth of renewablesSorry different anon. I just said renewables suck, and they do.
>>12382993>Elon discovers vtubers>buys Cover and flies hololive to MarsI could see it
>>12382967Compared to coal, yeah
>>12382962the part where you're all either fat, old, or larpingoh, and my favorite, the part where you dumb fucks will STILL be screaming about how blue lives matter as SWAT teams kick your front doors in at 3am to confiscate your firearmsyou people are pathetic losers who do nothing but make empty bluffs again and again, and in the rare event of something actually coming to fruition, you just succumb the "system" you supposedly hatethere is no such thing as a right wing revolutioneven your precious nazis and fascists were almost all former communists
>>12382913batteries
>>12382994>>12383004What's worse about coal?
>>12382999Literally doesn't matter. They are growing relative to the alternatives, so I don't have to prove shit, the market already has.
>>12383011Kills more people, releases more radiation on average, produces atmospheric pollution that's harder to mitigate than the solid waste from nuclear, requires larger mining operations because of lower energy density of the energy source.
>>12383011In what sense? In terms of deaths, coal is the worst, but in terms of just providing energy to a grid, coal beats solar and wind.
>>12383019Engineering proves that renewables can’t replace fossil fuels.
>>12383029How
>>12383025Mining is awesome. I love those enormous pit mines with the giant digging machines
>>12383007meanwhile in antifa land
>>12383031>What’s intermittency
Loading fuel now.
>>12383025What? Lmao not true. It does release more radiation than nuclear but everything else is wrong. It's only shit compared to thorium reactors, which are just as big of a meme as fusion at this point in time
>>12383007They killed the former communists in the Night of the Long Knives, retard.
>>12383009Do you have any idea how many batteries you’d need?
>>12383040>but everything else is wrongWrong. Coal kills a lot more people than nuclear does. It’s harder to deal with gas in the air than it is to deal with expired fuel rods, and uranium has a better EROI than coal.
>Unironic greentards who think the world could run off renewables California brownouts.
>>12381843bigelow went bankrupt lol
>>12383055We can run of off green energy; just use atomics
>>12383055decrease demand by 2/3 and it cansacrifices will be made, but it's worth it
>>12383064>decrease demand by 2/3 and it canMmmmm social unrest
>>12383044Musk put the number at 100 gigafactories, that was before battery day which projected 10x greater output per factory footprint. So 10 should do it, more like 15-20 with global energy growth. That's obviously an idealization, but it shows you that fossil fuels are absolutely not somehow mandated by "engineering" itself.
>>12383052Also read somewhere that, while coal has such a small percentage of radioactivity, that the nuclear waste it blows in the air from coalplants&steelplants is more then all nuclear reactors waste&nuclear test&fukushima and chernobyl disaster combined. but that seems kind of exaggerated.
Just waiting on siren now.
>>12383064>decrease demand by 2/3If you remove 2/3rds of the population this becomes a non-issue.
>>12381880Nigga where are you gonna get this metal? Rendezvousing with an asteroid is gonna be a bitch to perform, as they aren't as packed as sci fi media depicts them. Meanwhile the planet squatters can drive off in a buggy and take some ore in some random ass cave.
>>12382508Falcon heavy can also lift 50-something by reusing the side boosters and expending the center. That's even more cost effective.
>>12383064>sacrifices will be madeYes, but it won't be western energy consumption.
>>12383084Geology chads can't stop winning
>>12383077Hundreds of tons of uranium are byproducts of coal burning globally
>>12383089Whitey on Mars
siren, t-10 for static fire
>>12383101God I hope so
SIREN. RUD TIEM BOYS
>>12383089How about sacrificing China's energy consumption?
>>12383101Whitey on Proxima Centauri B
>>12383101The galaxy belongs to whitey, you poor ape.
SIREN
>Go to NSFGod I can't listen to this>Go to labpadreOh fuck this might be worseAre these really the people who want to go to Mars with me? Eugh
>>12383101Darkies on UBI hellscape Earth, just like The Expanse
>>12383123Estronaut is streaming it rn
>>12383127Is he singing the Chinese National Anthem yet?
>>12383127>>12383132What's wrong with everyday astronaut?
SOOOOOOOOOOn
>>12383132I don't believe he's a China shill. He just likes to watch rocket launches and doesn't want to commentate in politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_-Wu_S2qTAbetter angle, better camera
Static fire
HAPPENING
>>12383119CCP won the us election, so no spacerace for whitey anon.
>no honk
WE GOT IT BOYS
NO HONK
Static fire, no debris or honk this time.
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
how many hz was that lads
>>12383127Okay look I can handle solitude and being by myself. I can die on Mars. But if I'm stuck in a starship for 4 months with people live streaming everyday screaming>Norminal!>Nerdle Crew!>Pointy end up fire end down!>Hey guys remember to like, subscribe, and donate. Thanks rusty. Thanks Jeff for the $5!I will open the airlock and blow myself out the back
>>12383139Some people don't like his soiboy attitude. I don't mind him though desu.
no honk
>>12383158there were some smaller debris on the right side but nothing huge
>>12383158There were definitely some glowy bits flying off again, but no way of knowing what it was.
Short but successful I think
>>12383152>>12383149I hear something, but it sounds much quieter.
>>12383139IIRC he was live streaming a Chinese rocket launch, chat was spamming about the atrocities the Chinese regime does to it's own people, and he sort of brushed it aside in a way that can be interpreted as apologetics.
They might fire again, no detanking right now.
>No honkWhat did they mean by this?
HOLY SHIT MY DICK BROS I AM SO FUCKING HARD WTF
>they aren't detanking MORE MORE MORE
You thought they'd only do one?
TIP STILL FROSTED
>>12383180>>12383186I hope they're doing constitutive fires and didn't fuck up pneumatics again.
>retards don't even bother to shut up anymore during the static fireThere was a subtle honk, but way better than before
>>12383139>>12383178Motherfucker was cheering out loud during the Chang'e 5 launch
R E M O V E H O N K
NO DETANKING>NO DETANKINGNO DETANKING>NO DETANKINGNO DETANKING>NO DETANKINGNO DETANKING>NO DETANKINGNO DETANKING>NO DETANKING
>tfw we finally witnessed a propellant load to static fire with no scrub PROGRESS
>>12383196>>12383186they may be emulating flight. Fire from normal tanks and then shortly after fire from header tank
>>12383178>the atrocities the Chinese regime does to it's own peopleMeanwhile the US threatens embargo on any country that doesn't legalize sodomy.Pot, meet Kettle.
These raptors are blessed
>>12383203Someone tip him so he has to say>Taiwan number 1!That is a pretty good test to see if someone is a China shill
>>12383214Who gives a fuck bro. It isn't about cultural relativism. It's about telling everyone else they are a bitch of a country so you slap tariffs on them because their economy will collapse without the help of the US economy machine
why the fuck are these NSF guys pissing themselves over the fact that things went quickly. Chill dudes.also damn, detanking
>>12383203Good. China should be encouraged to explore space to start another Space Race.
>>12383214>the US threatens embargoYes, that's absolutely equivalent to running over thousands of your own citizens with tanks and washing the resulting paste into the sewer.
>>12383214What does the US have to do with this?
>>12383228I bet all these sanctions and shit have a pretty high indirect death toll tho.
>>12383236brainlets don't think that far ahead
>>12381003aluminum is kino
>>12383223>cultural relativismOff topic, but that is the most toxic thing for moral discussion that has been made. I want to beat the person who made that popular and tell him that it's a tradition in my culture to beat stupids.
>>12383214>looks at nations under embargo>Russia, China, and a bunch of islamic world/african garbageNothing of worth was squandered
>>12383236America is under no obligation to conduct trade with her enemies.
>>12383246>brokenshuttletilemeltedaluminum.png
>>12383236Don't piss off your source of resources/money then. I'm not even a cultural relativist, and I see the simple solution to that.
>>12383204
>>12383236>Protests what?>Just fucking murder them bro, run them over with the tank, spray them with the coax, it's not like people who disobey our glorious leader are actually people!vs>You are doing horrific inhuman shit to your people, so we do not want to do international business with your shitty government any longer, which would contribute to encouraging the way you treat your citizens because you associate it with success.Sanctions are nothing more than extracting oneself politically from moral culpability in the way shithole countries treat their people. They will treat them shitty with or without our business, so we might as well just not give them our business. Also this >>12383251, China, like the USSR before is an avowed enemy of the US, and overtly desire global hegemony as well, there is no reason why we should help them slit our throats just from a purely pragmatic amoral standpoint. If there are two assholes fighting for a knife, if they are both pragmatic, why would one help the other stab him? That's what doing business with China is, giving them aid in destroying us.Yes, both our governments are sociopathic collections of self-enriching shitheads who grind up their citizens for personal gain. No, doing international business with China as opposed to sanctioning them or any other shithole is not going to change them.
>>12383263>Don't piss off your source of resources/money thenit's the US that has changed, not them
>>12383270>Thanksgiving>No honkThe turkey has been sacrificed
>>12383224>why the fuck are these NSF guys pissing themselves over the fact that things went quickly. Chill dudesI know lol wtf is wrong with them. This isn't the Swiss railways ffs
>>12383275Because we're supposed to be Russia and China's allies and also islamic african warlords?
>>12383279very clean static fire. Looked flawless.>>12383280they're still talking about it ffs
>>12383277
>>12383275Yes, Communist China has always been terrible to it's people, but other countries are not at fault for changing their mind on how they agree to that.
>>12383283make an actual argument you incoherent schizo
>>12383283China is kind of gross and deserve to go back to cavemen tech. I don't mind Russia. Russians are based and deserve to take to the stars with the US
>>12383279So this just happened?
>>12383287Holy shit, a literal raptor taking a honking bird as prey. Eagles are insane. And to think Ben Franklin wanted a turkey to be the national bird lmao
>>12383290He did, work on your reading comprehension.
>>12383279Beautiful
>>12383279Guessing they maybe went for a short test this time in order not to blast the shit out of the pad again. I can't believe how NSF have gone to utter shit after a very minor change from what they expected. What a shower
>>12383297ISS is such a clusterfuck but yet somehow beauty emerges from the chaos
>>12383287Fuckin lmao looks like an overloaded plane trying to take off.
>>12383303>And to think Ben Franklin wanted a turkey to be the national bird lmaoNo he didn't.Ben Franklin didn't want the Bald Eagle to be the national bird because he thought it had a bad moral character. While other birds are hardworking, a Bald Eagle will just fucking rob you.He said that Turkey had a good moral character. But didn't explicitly promote it.
>>12383315I love it, there probably won't be a station like it again
>>12383036There are all kinds of energy storage methods that can meet immediate demand
>>12383322Either way it's funny to think about men in wigs arguing about birds and throwing down op eds in newspapers like 300 years ago. Humans don't change
>>12383292>China is kind of grossIs this understatement?>The Great Leap resulted in tens of millions of deaths, with estimates ranging between 18 million and 45 million deaths, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest in human history.But can we get away from fucking politics please. Depressed enough about the great reset as it is
Incoherent drunken vagina, Simp 1, and Simp 2 just kept yammering right through the static fire. Labpadre is usually so much better than this shit.
>>12383335What's funny about it? Discussing birds is serious business.
>>12383323If we get a spinny hab station launched on Starships before the ISS deorbits it will have been the entire era of manned space stations between the Cold War and spin grav all by itself. The ISS is one of mankind's great achievements.>and it needed the Shuttle to accomplish
STARHOPPER: ACTIVATED
>>12383307>still blasts the shit out of the padonly fly on shrapnel-proven rockets
>>12383336>Depressed enough about the great reset as it isthe bugs will be eatenbut hey democracy is worth it
>>12383315>>12383323>yfn be a space pirate living in a station cobbled together from discarded components duct taped to each other
>>12383349>Starhopper awoken to evaluate the worthiness of his succesor
>>12383355I'll eat you before I eat the bugs anon.
>>12383349I guess it liked that brap
>>12383349
>>12383356>try to be a space pirate>end up in the Space Wolves' territory>mrw they go up the ventilation shaft
>>12383342I'll be entirely honest, I've always thought the Bald Eagle looks a little goofy sometimes, but I'm not American. For me it's the Harpy
>>12383139At least he shuts up during the important bits
>>12383335Personally, I think the red-tailed hawk would've been the best national animal. >has the ferocity of other raptors>is the bird that actually makes the famous eagle screech associated with the bald eagle>looks like it takes no shit
>>12383372It hungers
>>12383141This is 4chan, you either 100% love or 100% hate something. And if you don't constantly complain about something you must love it.
It had a big BANG sound at ignition, different than the other static fires. Honk is still there, but quiet
Who tf pays for a superchat? Are these NSF knobheads really any kind of authorities on this? They don't seem particularly well qualified to me anymore than anyone else that and follows this stuff and they couldn't even manage to keep the chat going after a really minor deviation from what they were expecting
There needs to be an engraving and printing office on Mars to make sure we still get kino art
>>12383375Most birds can, from time to time, look goofy.But in general, I think all Accipitriformes look pretty cool.
Bros... I just realized that NROL44 still hasn't launched. What the fuck is ULA doing?
>>12383384Yeah, if they dont complain about it they're a shill, idiot
>>12383390damn, what a pretty bird
>>12383392Working on reliability
>>12383363>I'll eat you before I eat the bugs anon.I'll starve myself and feed the fucking bugs to a secret chicken before I eat them
>>12383375Sorry, you wanted a Harpy.
>>12383385Was there really a honk? I couldn't hear it
>>12383392they got HONK'D
>>12383389
HOP NEXT WEEK
STATIC FIRES ARE FINALLY COMPLETE
IT'S TIME
15KM NEXT WEEK; FROM ELON HIMSELF
>>12382742>You know Toyota has a larger R&D budget, right?You know Boeing has a larger R&D budget, right?
>>12383349>>12383351>>12383372yes Yes YES
>>12383410>>12383413Holy shit, strap in and strap on lads
habbenings
>>12383410>>12383413AAAAAAAAAAAAHIT'S HOPPENING
>>12383392serious answer- they cut the engines and Delta IV honked LOUDLY. the honk was caused by ground support issues but the long ass delay is them fixing the engines probably. Those engines weren't meant to be cut off like that, either gotta refurb them or swap
>>12383404I had headphones on while listening to the stream, so maybe I was paying more attention than normal.
>>12383413HAPPENING11111111
>>12383432I FUCKING LOVE HOPS
>>12383410>>12383413First time I've been genuinely excited for something in a while...
>>12383388yeah, what the fuck was that about? dude was so flabbergasted that the precious 10 minute timer turned out to be 5 minutes. it's just a siren bruh, relax. it doesnt mean anything other than batten down the hatches. he just couldnt get over it
Holy fuck check this outhttps://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1331386567970017280?s=20
>>12383460well that was neat
>>12383390I like how birds, especially the predatory birds have a biological version of gyrostabilization to keep their eyes pointed in the same direction, since their range of movement is only a couple of degrees due to them being so proportionally large.
>>12383460I've never seen anything like this,fucking amazing.
>>12383460>Video won't load I have been waiting on this video for nearly a week now. I'm ready for murder
>>12383410>>12383413I can't wait anons
>>12383460He's upped the stakes there. Expecting a mighty comeback from SpaceX
>>12383460Love me rocketlab. Simple as.
>>12383426Someone needs to make this in KSP.
>>12383460>>12383495Damn I thought I was the only one.Won't load in any other browser either nor does deleting cookies work.
starlink launch thread up in 5 min
>>12383410>>12383413bros....it happenig
Let it be known that the thanksgiving period is great for spaceflight. China launched a mission. Quick ass static fire and possible 15km flight of starship. Beck getting a reused rocket. F9 launched a gay sattelite but it was a falcon flight nonetheless, and there will be another one soon.
>>12383460holy SHIT PETER, i'm starin at the screen like >wtf am i lookin at and then i get fucking BRAAAPPED
>>12383460good stuff
>>12383524The sneaky Kiwi
>>12383460>that sound
>>12382404I'm >>12382341 and I agreeI never said RS-25 was good. It's only good feature is Isp but it's too big for an upper stage and isn't designed to ignite in flight anyway.
>>12383506
launch thread>>12383557
Are you fucking kidding me, image limit?????????????
>>12383562Are we staging early?
>>12383562Iuhoh god now what
>>12383562You know the rules
>>12383562Thread coding by boeing, wasted the image fuel before staging
I say go-ahead for staging. Starship foxtrot alpha gamma standing by.
>>12383572and so do I
>>12383562REEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK YOU ISS SPAMMING CUNT REEEEEEEEEEE NOBODY WANTS TO SEE THE COVER FROM MATH TEXTBOOKS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>12383613mad?
Quick! Convert your hop memes into ASCII art and post them here!
>>12383613basedISS anon did kind of fuck it up
Ok I staged, lets hope we survive>>12383629
>>12383460that was fucking cool. I wish spacex would offer a stream with no commentary and just top-quality audio like: https://youtu.be/ImoQqNyRL8Y?t=197>>12383495looking on twitter apparently other people are having the same issue
>>1238355610/10
>>12383523true. This week has kicked ass.>>12383524>>12383533he told people to turn up their sound lmao
>>12383631God the falcon heavy launch was absolutely incredible. It was like watching a fucking iron man movie in real life when the 2 boosters landed. It still sends shivers down my spine
>>12382470imagine being this incorrect
>>12382713fossil fuels are renewable
>>12382761>People are going to have to make sacrifices.You're right. We need to sacrifice the populations of China, India and all of Africa.
>>12383380based tobias poster
S T R E A MM U S I C
>>12381022https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0A5smrzVaA
>>12383556Nice, now give it a body
>>12383658>This week has kicked ass.Not if your 12 year satellite project flew on Vega kek.