/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12355142
Don't worry, the virus will magically "go away" now that the demonrats got their coup.

Remember that at least 40 percent of Americans are creationists who believe the earth is ~10k years old. The only people anywhere dumber than that is the population of /pol/, which unsurprisingly has a lot of creationist overlap.

>>12355142
>Obese 90 year old is panicking becuase they have been alone for 3 months and are succumbing to the wu flu
>Karen nurse who has ”we are superhero” stickers on her jeep does a interview mocking the elderly for dying
Lol at the nerds eating this shit up.

>>12355155
This. Just look at how the number of U.S. cases dropped to almost zero on November 4th.

>>12355142
Skin color of those patients?

>>12355274
This
women should be barred from any medical decision making

Everything the general American population is doing is just a big cope. They view themselves as underdogs and paradoxically the best at everything. So when reality doesn't line up with those viewpoints they start going through all the stages of grief. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

Unfortunately, they don't get to the acceptance phase until someone close to them dies.

Yurop here. Had a non-covid patient with an unhealthy facebook and/or /pol/ diet scream about how covid was a hoax to make Trump look bad.

>>12355155
>>12355340
You can say that there is a real conspiracy going on, or maybe some sort of "inverted" conspiracy where American government officials are doing a terrible job at hiding the severity of the virus and shielding their eyes away from the global response to the pandemic.

>>12355274
This. The nurse is just another American narcissist. The whole country is broken people living as protagonits in their own fantasy worlds of Hollywood, Netflix and pop-lit like Harry Potter and The Handmaidens Tale. The nurse wrote that she felt like she's a protagonist in a horror movie. These """people""" don't live real lives, they live in hyperreal auto-biographic enplotments of whatever garbage they've been fed on screen. The covid denier thinks they're Dirty Harry owning the libs, the nurse thinks she's a Marvel superhero or Scream franchise teenager fighting the slasher.

>>12355346
Why does it matter?

>>12355598
More likely that America is just fundamentally unserious and disconnected from reality. The Left, their scientists and epidemeiologists included, endorsed mass rallies and riots in the middle of a pandemic because they were Left rallies and riots. There are no adults or custodians in an age of narcissistic retreat.

>>12355612
Because Weltanschauung supervenes on race.

>>12355618
Do you hold "the left" to different standards than the right?

>>12355168
Midwit cope. The Left's contribution has been to take the pandemic response away from public heath ends and reify it as weapon of punative moral invective. Anti-covid measures don't apply to the Left rallies and riots because there is no-one on their own side who deserves, in their worldview, to be morally castigated. At every stage the pandemic is reified to become a punishment against political enemies, to validate that they are evil and deserving of the pathologies projected on to them.

>>12355634
>>Do you hold "the left" to different standards than the right?
There's tons of leftist critiques on the capitalist/neoliberal subject that touches on similar ideas.

>>12355142
The virus is a conspiracy for trump to stay in power and keep Biden from saving minorities

>>12355634
The American Right failed radically as well, in many ways much worse, that should be obvious and most "dumb American" critiques against the Right are correct here. But the cop out is thinking that the Cuomo's or the Chicago mayor, or the Whitmer's, or the epidemeologists; each who veto'd quarantines, seeded covid in nursing homes, endorsed and encouraged mass rallies and riots against their own(!) public health orders and advice, are somehow the serious ones who responded well. The Left reified public health policy into a weapon of moral invective against political enemies as the end in itself, and without any serious self-examination of how they have failed to self-sacrifice their own political wants (like allowing mass rallies and riots) for the end of public health.

The standard to compare to is China and East Asia. The West in general has failed a civilisational test that the East has passed.

>>12355168
Yeah I agree those creationists and polfags are retards. But you know who else is retarded? The people who unironically believe that Trump is a nazi and that he was part of an elbaorate international network of secret white nationalist billionaires and politicians who were lead by Putin and who rigged the election in 2016. Its crazy that millions of people will believe conspiracy theories about the republican party scretly working with Nazis and le ebil Russians, but then when Trump turned around and did the same thing in 2020 and accused Biden of riging the election, these same people acted like these claims were ridiculous and social media companies like Twitter have even begun censoring Trumptards just for talking about election interference. How come these people didn't have the same attitude towards Hilary in 2016 when she accused Trump and Putin of secretly creating a plan to rig the election? The idea that Russians and Trump rigged the election in 2016 doesn't even make sense. If Putin and a secret global network of Nazis rigged the election in 2016, then how come they lost in 2020? They must not be very good at rigging elections.

In reality people like you are just as stupid as the "low IQ inbred creationist Trump supporters" who you hate so much. The problem with the world and with politics is not muh Nazis as dems like to say, or muh socialists as republicans like to say. The problem is not a bunch of "uneducated low IQ inbred conservatives". They're certianly a part of the problem, but you have to step back and look at the big picture. The problem isn't liberalism or conservatism. Its partisanship and epistemic/cognitive biases. In other words, its the fact that neither side wants to engage in a henuine debate and discussion. Neither side is willing to admit that sometimes they are wrong. Normies like yourself are always looking for simplistic explanations and easy answers, and you never want to point fingers at your own side.

>>12355168
>/pol/is filled with nazis (hardcore darwinists)
>but they are also creationists
Well which one is it?

>>12355168
The level of cope this post got is kind of hilarious.

>>12355722
LSEtard here can't even be confident in his own humour, has to equivocate over whether he feels he was funny.

>>12355715
He is just a JIDF shill who has to bring up that stupid board on every single thread even when it never has anything to do with the discussion. He doesn't care about being truthful just spread some lies then rinse and repeat.

>>12355340
The vaccine results were announced simultaneously by the two largest researchers barely a week after the election, but you don't think that's suspicious at all.

>>12355744
it has been known for a while that the results of the current phase of the trials would start becoming apparent around now, has it not?

>>12355142
They're waking up.

>>12355752
>around
Key word here. Re-read your own post and think about it.

>>12355752
The Left, lead by Cuomo, send signals to the drug companies that they would raise frivolous safety concerns if they felt the vaccines were "rushed". The window to report was probably around 4 to 6 weeks, not unreasonable that they took the hint and ensured their vaccines would be de-politicised from Democrat threats by delaying a few weeks until after the election.

>>12355644
face the truth. this is /sci/.

>>12355155
cope.

>>12355715
>"Let's all become supermen and werewolves"
>hardcore Darwinists
Lol no

Shouldn't she be in front of a medical ethics board getting her license pulled for violating patient confidentiality? Just because they're not individually identified by her doesn't mean this doesn't erode trust between patients and caregivers.
If these people are truly dying, isn't it morally poor for her to use their death as an opportunity to politically grandstand? Is it a coincidence that she is in South Dakota, the state than never locked down, has a booming economy, and needs to be used as an example to other states to not go against the dictates of the authoritarians.

>>12355744
So what you mean by magically "go away" is that it will continue surging through the holidays and then as vaccines are distributed through early 2021, we may finally get some relief in the Spring and Summer? That sure is some magic.

>>12355715
could it be that /pol/tards are self-contradicting circlejerking and are literally retarded? no...no way...couldn't be...

>>12355794
Apparently, if you want people in your community to take an infectious disease seriously you should lose your license. What a time to be alive.

>>12355823
Apparently if you want medical care, you have to allow tiktok nurses to gossip about you. Also, what you wrote is not her job. Giving care and protecting patient privacy however is her job, which she's not doing, and thus should lose her license. If she wants to be a media star, she can quit and go start an OnlyFans page.

>>12355790
Don't post anti-science as if evolution doesn't apply to humans. Autopoiesis of the uberman is the highest goal of any science, it's what takes you to the moon, to transcend the limits of past humanity through science.

>>12355820
Midwit projection from someone who hasn't even read E.O. Wilson.

>>12355853
Don't be ridiculous. Those were generic statements that didn't violate anyone's privacy.

>>12355142
Pretty sure people with high fevers say all sorts of insane shit. Healthcare people are supposed to have the sense to let it go...

>>12355905
>b-bbut noooo reeeeeee!

>>12355142
Easy claim to make when the accused, by definition, cannot refute you.

>>12355952
t. thinks in wojaks

>>12355142
Please provide links to articles, not just screen caps. Asking everyone to take 30 seconds to find the article themselves (23 posters as of now) is a dick move when it would have taken you less than 10 seconds to paste the link.

>>12355606
fuck dude, what a bleak outlook. I hope your analysis is misguided, but it seems to ring true.

>>12355973
whats the matter /pol/chud? you're not getting...mad at a cartoon on the internet, are you?

>>12355142
i think so

PPE blocks 5G

>>12355744
There's been like 50 times in the past 8 months where some "big exciting vaccine news" comes out, the stocks go up, it turns out to be a nothingburger and stocks fall, rinse and repeat.

>>12355155
And now the Flu will come back, as well

>>12355142
Is it because they get worse after they're injected with something they die thereof?

>>12355155
Go back to /pol retard.

>>12355274
Pretty much word for word what I envisioned when reading op

I feel like the Darwin Awards are spoilt for choice this year.

>>12355888
Is there anyway to bring him back from the dead?

>>12356740
Which faction controls them at the moment?
I'd love it to be a random, but it'll probably be just another big politocied stunt

>>12356760
You know the "Darwin Awards" is not a real thing, right? It's just some dude with a website.

>>12355606
Underrated post

>>12356777
At this stage anything can be politicised for cheap points

>>12356782
As if it really matters what the guy's political opinions are.

>>12356785
true, current top is a japanese phone streamer who just decided to climb Mt Fuji one day with only a set of poles...

>>12355975
>muh precious seconds
lol, if he posted a link you'd bitch it wasn't pastebinned

Of course CNN had to interview her and make her a star. She'll be one of their on-air medical consultants by the end of the year.

>>12356843
So, he should have pastebinned it. What, oh master oracle, do you see in your crystal that would have happened if he had pastebinned it?

>>12355168
there isn't really a lot of creationist overlap with /pol/

>>12356753
Dream of something marvellous.

>>12355168
I know at least two people who don’t believe in evolution and when pressed for proof they just vaguely say god or give some barely thought out pseudo explanation involving dragons and dinosaurs

>>12355888
>Don't post anti-science as if evolution doesn't apply to humans
Daily reminder that no amount of evolution will turn you into a werewolf. Nazi's are a bunch of religious nutters that tried to dig up magic to win a war.

>>12355888 #
>Don't post anti-science as if evolution doesn't apply to humans
Daily reminder that no amount of evolution will turn you into a werewolf. Nazis are a bunch of religious nutters that tried to dig up magic to win a war.

>>12355888
>Don't post anti-science as if evolution doesn't apply to humans
Daily reminder that no amount of evolution will turn you into a werewolf. Nazis are a bunch of religious nutters that tried to dig up magic to win a war.

>>12355274
Yeah exactly, and more to the point if the patient does not consent to medical treatment they should be released to go home. If they perish it is their choice, we should always be in charge of our own lives no matter how silly or irrational we are.
(disclaimer for faggots, this bars actual violent intent and malicious actions)

>people some to /sci/ to politicize a pandemic

>>12355142
Who's to say this chick isn't just making shit up to get attention at the expense of what people think of her patients? Literally what asshole high school kids do to gain popularity by starting rumors about people they don't like. Seriously, how dumb is sci/? Only the most intellectually dishonest/amoral person would jump on any chance to build up a strawman of a "supposedly" opposed group to make themselves feel validated for their own haughtiness. This is why people don't take you seriously. Not because they think vaccines, covid, climate change, etc. are a hoax. But, because people like you never grew up after high school and just want to fling shit at other people who don't outwardly conform to every SINGLE thing you say and take every detail of what you say as fact. Either stop making the problem worse (or outright fabricating it, itself to feel superior to others), or prepare to be laughed at by still functioning human beings that reserve a modicum of skepticism for politically heated topics until the points made are reasonable.

>>12355168
>in the beginning nothing exploded and created everything
>this is more legit than religion because the epic science man said it
COPE

>>12357772
what are you even doing on /sci/

>>12357763
I remember that qt asian nurse in the uk made up stories of ebil rayciss insults being screamed at her when the pandemic first broke out.
Of course that was way back when we were still in the "this virus is just an excuse for you evil nazi bigots to be mean to asians!" phase.
We hadn't yet gotten into the "the demonrats made this fake virus up to hurt trump and now they're making us wear masks that are smothering us all!" phase.
Things were so fun before the American media decided this was going to be a hot button political issue. All it took was a single news cycle.
On Monday I was a nazi for inciting paranoia and promoting racism against Asians. On Wednesday I was a communist democrat parroting Chinese propaganda.
I'd been paying attention to the virus, reading the few Chinese news reports, watching videos, shitposting, etc. since last Christmas. Then one day in February it was like someone flipped a switch.

I knew the average person was pretty dumb before corona, but this year has really lowered the bar. It's laughable how easily the media manipulates the average person.

>>12357862
>Of course that was way back when we were still in the "this virus is just an excuse for you evil nazi bigots to be mean to asians!" phase.
That never happened, what the fuck are you on about?

>>12355168
/pol/ is full of incels, that explains why they are also the dumbest board on 4chan.

>>12355142
Capitalism and disinfo is destroying my country. We've eaten the world and now we're eating ourselves.

>>12355142
check out /pol/, you'll find many from other countries

>>12357862
>All it took was a single news cycle
>It's laughable how easily the media manipulates the average person
Yup. Perfect example is this guy >>12357977
And not remembering Trump and Co. being called racist for blocking travel from China, only to be blamed for not acting sooner only a month later. It's so stupid.

>>12355155
I miss the keep /pol/ in /pol/ rule

>>12355722
>t.

>>12358377
When the IFLS! crowd took over science, /pol/ became inevitable.

>>12355340
>not clicking on the 7-day-avg
tsk tsk

>>12355853
This board doesn’t deserve you but I do appreciate you. It’s astounding how many dumbfucks have come outta the woodwork since March. I miss the normies that all went into hiding

>>12356896
It looks like a goblin and witch mated

>>12357977
The media decided it was going to use the mass wave of black on asian attacks/harassment in the US to take a steaming dump on white people again. You probably don't remember this because you weren't actually paying attention to the virus back then. Hell, I work with a hmong dude and I remember having to sit him down and explain to him that black people have an irrational hatred for asians. If you knew any asians, you'd probably remember this period.

>>12358298
>Trump and Co. being called racist for blocking travel from China, only to be blamed for not acting sooner only a month later
the best part about all of that was how the "travel ban" didn't do jack shit, but still resulted in trump getting called racist by the media
same thing with how he instituted a travel ban with the shengen zone in the EU, but still left the door open to britain, thus making the shengen zone travel ban basically useless

>>12357977
>That never happened
That was the mainstream response to the virus, along with State encouragement to interact with Chinese people to prove that you weren't stained with the racist fear of a rationally risk assessing pandemic containment strategies.

In Lombardy the Mayor of Florence started a "Hug a Chinese" campaign in late January and February to encourage close personal interactions between North Italians and Chinese travellers.
https://youtu.be/mNMdg4morQs

>>12355368
>Im a conservative
>I dont care about you until it happes to me

February 21st:
Victory over virus: I'm a human, not a virus
Asians worldwide have faced racial discrimination following the outbreak of the novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) in China. But there are people who are raising a united voice against racism virus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZoKM7zOUnU

March 3rd:
A group of people started a “free hugs” campaign in New York to raise awareness about coronavirus-related discrimination faced by the Chinese diaspora in the United States. Many people warmly welcomed the campaign in an area near Times Square, where the group of about 10 people held up placards reading, “I’m a Chinese. Not a virus” and other messages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcqaw4zMXU

February 25th
Pelosi: Virus fears shouldn't stop Chinatown trips
U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took a walking tour of San Francisco's Chinatown Monday to let the public know the neighborhood is safe and open for business.
Pelosi, a Democrat who represents the heavily Chinese American city, visited the Golden Gate Fortune Cookie Factory, whose owner Kevin Chan, says his business and others are down 70% since the outbreak of the new coronavirus.
"You should come to Chinatown," Pelosi said before stopping to lunch at Dim Sum Corner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAEfSHeH4Lc

>>12359378
>Pelosi took a walking tour of San Francisco's Chinatown Monday to let the public know the neighborhood is safe
normie libshits still double down on this btw
gives me a chuckle every time I see/hear it

>>12357977
Not everyone has the memory of a goldfish. They also called him racist and sexist for not having enough women and racial minorities on his Coronavirus task force. That was in January.

>>12355762
Who cares trumps still president

>>12355142
Phase of death is also denial.

>>12357862
>>12358298
>>12359254
>>12359476
Trump's "travel ban" didn't ban travel to and from China. It only blocked Chinese people from getting on planes. That's what makes it ineffectual and racist (jingoist is more correct). It was not designed to do what it advertised and it only applied to a specific nationality.

>>12355606
TLP is that you?
come back

lol

>>12355274
lul wtf is going on. humanity is having an existential crisis

whites can't die from the chinavirus
we don't have the lo mein receptor 2

Reminder this was started by chinks eating bats

>>12355142
And then everybody clapped.

>>12355764
>be pfizer
> announce vaccines a few weeks before US election
> trump, flailing for any leverage, pushes agenda to get vaccine out as soon as possible
> magatards flip and start insisting virus is real and godemperor trump will cure it
> within a month the first vaccinations occur, without adequate testing
> tens of thousands die
> magatards start rioting about antivax
> pfizer gets sued and trump leading the charge claims he was mislead
> pfizers workers are assaulted and killed by rabid MAGgots
gee, i wonder why they would prefer to wait to announce the news :^)))))

>>12359660
Not true, the ban was based on being resident in China in the previous 14 days:
>I have determined that it is in the interests of the United States to take action to restrict and suspend the entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the People’s Republic of China, excluding the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau, during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/
Jan 31st. The only excemption's are for American citizens and visa holders.

>>12361250
The Pfizer CEO first said the interim results would be published in mid-October and then ghosted after Cuomo signaled an anti-vaxx campaign as punishment. /sci/ is a high effort blue board, don't post bunkerchan raid lines here, make an effort to make quality posts.

>>12361256
>all aliens who were physically present within the People’s Republic of China, excluding the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau
So only Chinese people. Great job providing a source for my claims. Sorry about that reading comprehension.

>>12358011
>Capitalism... is destroying my country
There are still a couple of commie regimes, maybe you should move there while you can.
t. ex-soviet citizen

>>12361267
Anyone who travelled or was resident in China dumb dumb. Don't be obtuse, China has 150 million non-citizen travellers visit it each year.
https://chinapower.csis.org/tourism/

>>12361265
Please, the White House wanted to rush the vaccine and block FDA guidelines so they could get a win politically before the election.

>>12361277
Did you miss the part where Americans come and go as they please or the bit where that's 10% of the population of China over the whole year?

>>12361340
As Russia and China have done with their vaccines. Pfizer's delay in announcing preliminary results is a seperate issue.
>(CEO Albert) Bourla said during a Q&A with the International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations, a trade group.
>“We expect by the end of October, we should have enough ... to say whether the product works or not,” he said.
3rd of September
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/pfizer-ceo-confirms-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-may-have-results-in-october.html

>>12361362
Don't be obtuse and do midwit internet arguments.
>The only excemption's are for American citizens and visa holders.>>12361256

The Jan 31st travel ban was on any non US citizen/PR who had been physically present in China in the previous two weeks, not on Chinese citizens qua citzens.

The reaction of the Left to that ban was to tell people to go to Chinatown, celebrate Chinese New Year amongst big crowds, and to hug any Chinese traveller they met. We now know that COVID was already seeded and spreading in those communities at that time and their advice undoubtedly lead to its increased and earlier spread.

The correct response should have been to insist on stronger travel bans with mandatory qurantine of returned citizens. No one in America advocated that at the time because they are no serious people in American governance.

>>12355744
Trump specifically wanted trials rushed to get a vaccine out before the election in hopes it would boost his popularity. That's why trials that normally take years have been done in months.

>>12361367
Thank god we're not following what China and Russia are doing.

Earlier they even said they expected results in september. What part of the word expect don't you understand? Are you aware of how these trials are done? It has to meet certain criteria before they can do the analysis. It's not some deep state democratic plot to make Trump look bad or whatever.

>>12361388
The China travel ban was only done to give a middle finger to China. That's why hawks like Tom Cotton and others were running around to every news outlet advocating for it. Weird how they completely lost interest in dealing with the virus after the ban.

I honestly don't understand why you're still harping on this given all the retardation coming from the Trump admin since then.

>>12361409
Vaccine policy isn't conducted in a political vaccum. Pfizer are on the record giving a date, that date changed after political pressure to a de-polticised date. Companies are responsive to the political environment they operate in. Pfizer need Democrat goodwill to secure government procurement against competing vaccines, fair easier to appease and delay early trial announcements for two to four weeks than have an anti-vax campaign waged against your product by the people you will be trying to sell your product to. Political pressure caused a delay.

>>12361404
The world wants a vaccine to end the pandemic and they want it 9 months ago.

>>12361426
Because the left should have welcomed it, cooperated and pushed for stronger border control, but instead campaigned to spike the even limited measures and encouraged social contact with already infected Chinese travellers and their secondary contacts.

Exempting your own citizens from any travel ban is the norm. What changed since was qurantining of them once they're back inside the border. I don't see how Trump's travel ban is that different to what the world has adopted since.

>>12361409
>Thank god we're not following what China and Russia are doing.
We'll see. China have done much better than the West in dealing with it.

>>12361442
Why spend time owning the libs in November about something that happened in jan/feb? The republicans and Trump has done much more retarded things since then.

>>12355790
>Let's all become (...) werewolves"
That's /trash/, mate.

>>12361471
>>12361426
>I honestly don't understand why you're still harping on this given all the retardation coming from the Trump admin since then.
The point is to showcase the media's hypocrisy.
Imagine you're a child. You're eating dinner with your parents. You drop a piece of food on the floor and then throw it in the trash because it's dirty. In response to you throwing the dirty food in the trash, your parents throw another piece of food on the floor and make you eat it anyway. A little while later, you get a stomach ache. Your parents then proceed to freak the fuck out and drive you to the emergency room as fast as they possibly can to have your stomach pumped, sideswiping multiple cars along the way. From this point on they refuse to feed you solids. Any request to eat solids is met with derision and accusations of not taking dietary health seriously.

This is what we've lived through. If you're too brain dead to realize how fucked this is, you need to stop talking about politics altogether.

>>12361497
>THE MEDIA
This anti-anti Trump shit is so tiresome.

>>12361497
What

>>12355142
I thought I was on /pol/ for a second
one of the heaviest cases of confirmation bias I have ever seen

>>12361528
>someone shits on the media for driving everyone insane
>"you're just defending orange man"
We're reaching levels of mental laziness that shouldn't be possible.
Trump's travel """""bans""""" didn't do shit and our entire government spent almost a full fucking month following the fox news "die of the virus so the stock market can keep going up for DOW 30K!!!11" plan.
Another anon said the travel ban with china was on par with what other countries had done? Well I'm sorry but the US is not like other countries. If someone so much as sneezes on American soil we give them citizenship. Tons of US citizens live and work in other countries. As a result, we had almost 9 million citizens living abroad last year. It is physically impossible to implement any type of national quarantine or travel ban with that many people living abroad.

Neither side is innocent in this. As I said here >>12357862 things were nice and fun up until it became a political issue. Just as nobody really cared about wearing a mask until the media decided to make it an issue. This is all political theater, neither side cares about what happens to any of us, and the average person is completely unaware of how easily they're manipulated by >insert cable news talking head here<.

Most nurses are just deacons in the great church of health.

A lot jews refused to be jewish and became catholic during and after world war 2

Nobody likes being manipulated or treated like cattle.

Nurses are burecrats where their stacjs of paper are human beings. Processed and shuffling about.

-hypoxia makes you crazy and paranoid

-where's the flu numbers?
-what other conditions are co-morbid?
-where does this nurse work at?

>>12355683
Speak for yourself. Our part of the west had one BLM demonstration for no fucking reason whatsoever other than to pretend that that shit has any bearing to what happens here and that was that.
Then more and more lockdowns. Didn't stop people from getting sick, but we have low amounts of dead people. The government is doing all the right things in the wrong ways.

>>12355142

This is pretty common response to people who are about to die. I forget what it is called, but essentially your biggest "emotional response" will come through at your death bed. It's why many atheists start screaming about God when they die.

>>12355155
If that happens I will burn things.

>>12356721
>>12358377
Australia and Japan literally signed new treaties, likely because they think China made a bioweapon. Why is this "/pol/" now? It's obviously a bioweapon.

>>12355598
Covid is bad, but the media response doesn't add up.
At times when protests were happening, the virus disappeared from the news.

>>12355683
>American Right
Doesn't exist. It's just left 1 and left 2 now.

>>12361605
>Trump's travel """""bans""""" didn't do shit
No shit, because you're still pumping millions of latinos over your border illegally. It was never going to work because of America's apathy to the border issue.
So get what you sow.

>>12361409
I wouldn't trust anything from China after the revelations of what they were doing with caronaviruses in Wuhan. They need transparency or this will just keep happening.

But instead they exploited it as a weapon.

>>12361809
>America's apathy to the border issue
the people cared last election cycle
we were more focused on low black unemployment this time though
gotta have your priorities

>>12355155
If you think speedy Joe is going to do a damn thing then idk who you’re listening to

>>12361821
No, what happened is that the people lost faith in the election completely and they were correct, because it's proven how much of a cartel republic the US is. Hispanic cartels in particular.

>>12361827
>the people lost faith in the election completely
bruh like 150 million people voted

>>12361845
Out of 400million.
At a time of crisis you'd expect more like 50% at least.
But no one cares when cartels rig your elections anyway. They've been doing this for decades.

>>12361852
>Out of 400million.
>At a time of crisis you'd expect more like 50% at least.
Holy kek. Are you genuinely retarded?

>>12361852
330 million out of which many are children and foreign nationals.

>>12361388
>Don't be obtuse and do midwit internet arguments
The irony. That legislation did not ban travel and more than 90% of the people affected were Chinese nationals despite the fact that the virus had already spread outside of China. That's jingoist and ineffective. Love the backpedaling though. Great fun.

>>12361490
Tell Goering

>>12357653
>people come to a taiwanese fingerpainting forum to politicise a virus
At this point I've started reporting obvious shitposts for lack of quality, but even then there's just too many

>>12358417
Feels like 2009 again.

>>12355168
Are you kidding? There's more unironic commies on /pol/ than there are neocon boomer creationist schizos, and the latter are all confined to flat earth and sovereign citizen threads.

>>12362600
Commies are retarded too, you are not exactly disproving his thesis.

>>12362606
I'm responding to the second part of his thesis, that is there being a lot of creationists on /pol/

>>12355168
What percentage of people who believe in the scientific version of how the earth came into being could accurately describe that process?

>>12361427
>Pfizer are on the record giving a date
An expected date. You're acting as though it were official.

>>12362622
This isn’t as important as you “gotcha” idiots like to think it is. A decently smart person will conclude that a creationist view is definitely wrong and the scientific view is most likely correct (or at least an honest attempt at being correct) without proof using some good old reasoning. Most of it is done subconsciously. Even idiots get this on some level - it’s why you go to a doctor when you’re sick instead of a “healer.”

>>12362663
no no no. The only difference between the average person who does not believe in creationism and the average person who believes in creationism is that the person who does not believe in creationism defers to the scientists. He has no special knowledge himself, hes just a sheep in the end.
>A decently smart person will conclude that a creationist view is definitely wrong and the scientific view is most likely correct
The decently smart person has no idea what the scientific view even is. If you asked him what it is, he wouldnt be able to tell you anything intelligent.

>>12362677
The average person who believes in creationism probably didn't even come to that conclusion themselves, either; they just deferred to whatever megachurch evangelist they listen to.

>>12361427
>be pfizer
>have vaccine which works
>announce it before election
>trump wins
>trump uses pfizer vaccine
You see how retarded you are now?
If they announced and the republicans won, theyd get trumps good will
If they dont announce and the dems win, then some how magically cuomo can influence government policy on buying the vaccine?

fuckin kill yourself you dumb schizo
Trump lost because he is a shit candidate

>>12361800
it isn't but imagine if it actually was. America just let it happen and did as little as possible to protect it's citizens caring only about wallstreet.

>>12363460
Don't defend Cuomo's and the Democrats anti-vax indulgances that have delayed the production of a vaccine. Pfizer has to hedge that Trump will lose, which polls at the time showed to be a certainty. If Pfizer delays its mid-October announcement to mid-Novemeber then it de-politicises their vaccine entirely. If they announce as intended in mid-October then they earn the wroth of an anti-vax campaign from the half of the country. So they chose to delay, Cuomo's threat paid of, and there was no hypothetical vaccine boost to Trump's vote. All the risk for Pfizer was in an early announcement, the same reward existed whether they delayed or not, the only true pressure being not delaying so long that Moderna would announce first.

The House of Reps decides on budget and through that procurement. Pfizer is in a weak position because other vaccines are easily to store and transport, someones got to pay for new freezers everwhere for Pfizer to be able to compete.

>>12362642
He's a CEO making market sensitive statements that were traded on, giving out dates isn't an empty statement. Cuomo lead an anti-vax campaign against Pfizer throughout September and October in reponse to the announcements of a mid to late October early results.

>(September 24th) New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo says he doesn't trust the Trump administration to deliver a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine because the approval process has become so politicized that its integrity can't be taken for granted.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/24/916565352/cuomo-says-n-y-health-officials-will-review-any-u-s-approved-covid-19-vaccine

>(October 19th) Cuomo: Public should be 'very skeptical' about COVID-19 vaccine
>The governor said both the FDA and CDC “don’t have any credibility” under the Trump administration and that as a result others will need to vouch for a vaccine for people to have trust in it.
>“I believe all across the country you're going to need someone other than this FDA and this CDC saying it's safe," he said.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/521672-cuomo-public-should-be-very-skeptical-about-covid-19-vaccine

>>12361471
Because the left hold power now (or soon), it's their pandemic. At the moment they're organising street parties to celebrate winning the eleciton.

>>12355702
>The people who unironically believe that Trump is a nazi and that he was part of an elbaorate international network of secret white nationalist billionaires and politicians who were lead by Putin and who rigged the election in 2016
strawman
point to me the people that believe this, post just 3 posts from any social media that claim this

>>12363655
This is what motivated the Democrats anti-vax turn.

>(September 3rd) Pfizer could have results from its late-stage coronavirus vaccine trial as early as October, CEO Albert Bourla said. We expect by the end of October, we should have enough ... to say whether the product works or not,” he said. . If it is successful, they expect to submit it for final regulatory review as early as October. They plan to supply up to 100 million doses by the end of 2020 and approximately 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/03/pfizer-ceo-confirms-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-may-have-results-in-october.html

What was Pfizer's main concern at the time, read the rest of the September 3rd article:

>“Vaccine hesitancy is probably one of the greatest challenges for public health that America faces,” John Young, Pfizer’s chief business officer, told Congress on July 21. “All of us need to play a role, should we be successful in this mission, that there’s confidence in the safety and effectiveness of our vaccines based on data, based on confidence the FDA will only approve a vaccine if it’s safe and effective.”

>Bourla said Thursday that the company “would never” submit any vaccine for authorization before “we feel it is safe and effective.”

>“We will not cut corners,” he said. “Our phase three study will be the only one that will allow us to say if we have a safe and effective vaccine. If we don’t have results from a phase three study, we would not submit.”

And what did Cuomo do? Start a political anti-vax campaign sowing doubts about the safety of vaccines. Vaccine delay until a politically safe time effected.

>>12355618
I agree that BLM riots were fucking retarded, but at least people there wore masks

>>12363687
66% percent of Demoract voters believe that Russia hacked voting tallies in the 2016 election:
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/03/09/russias-impact-election-seen-through-partisan-eyes

That's the mainstream article of faith on the left, that Putin stuffed ballot boxes in a collusion conspiracy.

>>12363715
>>12363690
>>12363715
based high effort blue board blowing the fuck out of dummies

>>12361444
>We'll see. China have done much better than the West in dealing with it.

Because people there actually stayed inside and wore masks. They didn't declare the virus a conspiracy and march to their state houses with their guns.

Three worst states right now are: North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa. Entire midwest is getting wrecked right now. Let them dumb fuck states suffer. Democrats should also backtrack on sending states aid since Trump said this was about blue vs red states. Let those dipshit low IQ MIGAturds suffer

>>12363710
Masks are not an alternative to social distancing and isolation. They are totally useless if you shout and scream in crowds. The typically mask wearer at one of these mass events was screaming past a mask and projecting aerosolised spittle into the crowds as their exaggerated jaw movements displaced the mask and had to be readjusted by touching the face with every sentence.

>>12363748
in most of the videos I saw people had masks on the entire time

>>12359254
There was an idiot who was spouting "Chinese flu because it comes from China" on TV, Broadcasted on every media.
All races banded up to attack asian people in western Europe at least.
Issue is no matter where it comes from, Western countries haven't put the necessary means and measure to quell the pandemic. Mainly because of the human rignt approach to the health issue.
But nobody wants to live in China, not even black people now.

>>12363690
Cuomo is still criticizing pfizer so it kind of invalidates your whole argument. You're making Cuomo more influental than he is. He's the governor of New York and has absolutely nothing to do with approving or buying the vaccine for the federal government.

>>12361427
The Chinese vaccine test ended with a death in Brasil.

>>12363752
when you yell wet sticky spit slicked air through your mask OVER AND OVER and it then looses it's ability to WICK virus from the AIR U MORON,

THEN fomite spread occurs when you readjust it AFTER YELLING U FUCKING MORON.

JESUS H CHRIST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE and you are talking about what you saw on a fucking VIDEO?!

kill yourself

>>12363739
5 -> 500 = 100x increase, absolute increase of 495
50000 -> 50500 = 1% increase, absolute increase of 500
You know exactly why these numbers are relevant to your misleading post. Go back to plebbit where your deception will get you internet points. Here it will only get you embarrassed.

>>12363800
true, China is evil and the West are irresponsible tyrants, truly the worst.

>>12363818
prove that the riots actually led to an increase in the spread of the disease, you stupid nigger mongoloid faggot

>>12363821
what numbers are you referring to, you fucking faggot?

>>12363752
In the videos the media chose to show you, you saw what they wanted you to see.

>>12363847
You know, you want to play dumb for political reasons.

>>12363839
protip: they will never provide anything

>>12363830
Not evil, just shitty. I'd rather live in a country caring for my freedom than in one only caring for the safety of its elites.
It's a political trade off between the number of acceptable death per months and the consequences of a general economic slowdown.
The reason lockdowns are enforced with more or less rigor is not to save people from the virus it is to prevent the healthcare system to crumble, especially the emergency response.
Even using "guesstimates" for the number of victims, it only becomes an issue if the number of people sick from covid goes over the ER and IC capacity. You can have a million of people die from covid within 2 years on a 41.6 k a month, no problem. You can have them to die within 2 months, it is gross miss management.

>>12363739
>Because people there actually stayed inside and wore masks.
Because the strong State effected good public policy and forced them to. Meanwhile neither side of American politics has self-sacrified anything and still encourage their own side to conduct public mass rallies. Blue states faired the worst in the first wave by virtue of being more affluent and connected to China and Europe and then failing to implement effective social distancing and quarantine measures once the virus was seeded.

Punitive vengeance isn't a basis for good governance, grow up. Being the ruler means leading and putting in place policy for the betterment of the nation regardless of their sentiments, to impose from above a positive cohesion of the whole onto the parts. I don't see anyone in America capable or willing to do that, but Biden will have his chance soon. I assume Dems will drop the anti-vax campaign becuase the threat of a Trump electoral boost is over, I doubt they'll put a stop to BLM rallies and riots though.

>>12363752
Not in my viewing and a very naive thing to say as a quick google image search or close review of any protest footage will show.

>>12355274
Physician here. I hate nurses and you are correct.

>>12363802
Cuomo became the leading Democrat on Covid, he spearheads their political campaign in response to Trump. He made anti-vax policy the integral platform of that because of the threat of a pre-election vaccine announcement. What he does to save face now is up to him, hopefully it gets memory holed so there will be no more political delays.

>>12363800
The virus should have been quratineed and stopped in China. It's not entirely China's fault that it wasn't, but at a time when the West began it's first moves to stop travel from China, the Chinese government, together with the Western Left, began a campaign to undermine travel restrictions as racist and encourage Western populations to have close contacts with Chinese travellers. This seeded the pandemic in their countries.

I agree that the West has failed and that China in comparison has done well, and that some of the blame-China rhetoric is a diversion from Western failures. But remember in Jan and early Feb when these campaigns against Chinese travel restrictions started the pandemic wasn't widespread in the West and what would become the failure of Western pandemic policy hadn't yet occured or wasn't yet known.

>>12363839
Start here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease

>>12355368
If you can't relate to christ in this meme then you're a midwit. I am a physician and every time someone shuns my advice , my help, do you know what I want to happen to them? I want them to suffer. My mother once had a surgery against my advice. Guess what? Pain. The rest of her life. Good. You dont listen to someone who wants to earnestly help you, then you deserve everything that's coming to you.

>>12363806
And? The main Chinese vaccine is already been rolled out in China, just today:
>1 million Chinese injected with Sinopharm vaccine under emergency use scheme. ‘There has not been a single case of a serious adverse event,’ chairman of state-owned company says
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3110519/china-sinopharms-coronavirus-vaccine-taken-about-1-million

Also the different Sinovac vaccine has already been used in China (article above) and is about to start 46million doses in Brazil:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sinovac-brazil/brazil-to-receive-first-doses-of-chinas-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-says-butantan-institute-idUSKBN27X2KQ

>>12363942
Not a Western attitude and frankly barbarian.

>>12355823
Shouldn't they have been on a respirator, or bagged if they are gasping for air and dying. How could they say these things. Did she just stand there arguing with them, intentionally letting them die then making fun of them afterwards. Did the nurse/reporter make the whole thing up, the stereotypical way this is written makes it seem like fabrication to me but that doesn't mean it's fabricated.

>>12363850
literally everyone other than that 1 guy is wearing a mask in that pic

>>12363942
you are a dumb nigger

>>12361388
Don't forget the response when the administration started suggesting stricter travel restrictions on the EU - states like New York actually took legal action to block/delay it

>>12361804
Don't forget all that horseshit where the media was dragging out health professionals to tell everyone "No guys, Covid's serious and all, but protesting muh systemic racism is more important"

>>12355168
>Remember that at least 40 percent of Americans are creationists who believe the earth is ~10k years old.
>According to this random Vox article that cites an unsubstantiated poll of 20 people

>>12355744
And you completely forgot that Trump hinted at vaccines coming out around the time of the election weeks before. So I guess Trump was in on it all, and he purposefully let the Dems "steal the election".

You are fucking brainwashed by the Cult of Trump. Can you try a reboot of your critical thinking skills, or are you mentally handicapped?

>>12355142
I do not give a fuck and neither should anyone else

>>12359396
>normie libshits still double down on this btw
>gives me a chuckle every time I see/hear it

>>12355702
>The problem isn't liberalism or conservatism. Its partisanship and epistemic/cognitive biases.
Here's where you're wrong anon. Humans have had and always will have these biases you mention. Since the dawn of civilization man has been quick to gobble up propaganda with little evidence. Even you and I are susceptible. We're humans just like everyone else. However there are a few, privileged individuals who, not only see things from your perspective, but also have money and power. Those who control the media, those who control lobbyists, those who are the puppeteers of nobles, royalty, and the elite: these people can play these "biases" you mention like a fiddle by inundating the populace (or populaces) with ideas. This polarity we have in America isn't a coincidence. It was carefully manufactured. Both faggots and niggers from cities, and low IQ inbred conservatives have always been low IQ tools, but now they are indoctrinated low IQ tools, and modern technology has allowed them to be more readily indoctrinated than ever before, when the extent of indoctrination was limited to "X religion/country/region is our enemy and bad, go to war with them peasents."

Now I could go into the types of groups and unifying goals of these "elites" but we don't have to get into that.

>>12365079
They double down on that specific event. The virus was spreading so quickly at the time due to recent travel relating to Chinese New Year. Stop ignoring context just because being a smug dickhead gives you a dopamine rush. You’re just putting on a show for brainlets and you look retarded.

>>12357772
>"in the beginning nothing exploded and created everything"
>Genesis 1:1-3, not science
>this is more legit than science because the epic bibble said it
The state of your mind on religion...

>>12355606
Wow.
This is the most infuriatingly shit and personally attacking and 100% true post i have ever read on 4chan.

>>12361528
>>12361605
Honestly a complete closure of borders is what should've happened.
But if you do not see how 90% or so of the coverage of trump was negative in the media then you must live in another reality because this has been studied and documented.

Remember when in 2017 google said that they must not allow something like the 2016 election happen again?
And now the entirety of big tech as fucking one lined up behind the post factual thinking of "blacks are systematically oppressed in america" of BLM, to the point that your own digital assistant will correct you if you say that "all lives matter"

And remember how a leftist expert stated before congress that big tech could swing literally millions of votes easily with who they present with what info?

And how google and apple try to cozy up to china?

And how the BLM riots started basically totally at a random point in time, totally coincidentally coinciding with the planet demanding an investigation of china for covid.
(which literally got forgotten about thanks to this)

And how the first thing people said after biden got elected is how he needs to undo the damage wrought on the global economy by trumps tarrifs (even though most of that damage was just done to china)?

And now would you look at that, the BLM leftist people won the election, biden wants to be not tough on china, china is happy and so confident they immediately afterward abolished any semblance of democracy in HongKong.

I guess google and co really "didn't let it happen again"

>>12361444
>>12363739
Are you guys legit insane?
Do you actually believe the chinese numbers?
The same numbers that have been proven false by whistleblowers and outside analysis before?

>>12365939
Is that you Rudy?

>>12365955
who
what

>>12355142
>Does this happen in any country outside of the US?
That media uses it for political reasons? Not to this extent.

>>12363748
Based

>>12365944
Anyone believing anything from the mouth of the CCP is completely fucking nuts.

This is the same government that accidentally fired a fucking rocket into one of their own towns and leveled it to the fucking ground and then came out with an official report basically saying "we had a slight weapons malfunction, but everything's perfectly all right now, everyone's fine, they're all fine here, now, thank you"

>>12363715
Let me remind you what you wrote:
>The people who unironically believe that Trump is a nazi and that he was part of an elbaorate international network of secret white nationalist billionaires and politicians who were lead by Putin and who rigged the election in 2016
You didn't prove your claim. Where are the people that believe in an international network of white nationalist billionaires?

People been dying since people existed.

I'd rather be dead than be forced to live as a germaphobe.

Imagine letting the government and media have control of your life, pathetic. Live free or die.

>>12367357
Also

Stop acting like its my responsibility to keep anyone from getting sick. Fuck your society.

>>12366583
Midwit pilpul

>>12355168

Are there seriously creationists on /pol/? I think /pol/ views creationists as cuckservatives.

/Pol/ has a decent amount of atheists and pagans who insult Christians.

>>12367363
very unpatriotic and unamerican.

kys

>>12367393
There's a big split on /pol/ between Christians and pagans but they both hate atheists. Creationists, or more specially, Young Earth Creationists, do exist there but they're a small portion of the Christians and probably half of them are trolls.

>>12367404

3 million people died from communicable respiratory infections in 2016. Why weren't you patriotically wearing a mask then faggot?

Was it because your government daddy and media mommy hadn't told you people get sick and die yet?

>>12367420
What do deaths in Africa from tuberculosis have to do with wearing a mask in a first world country?

>>12367495
Shut the whole world down for 1.5m people dying. Fuck it why not. You are an idiot if you think millions of people losing their jobs and getting depression is not worse than the Wu Flu.

>>12367495
Also zero coronavirus deaths out of the 1.5m were from Africa....

>>12367519
Dude, all I'm responding to is your question to the other anon about not wearing a mask back in 2016. How would wearing a mask have been useful against a major killer that barely exists in first world countries?

However, would wearing a mask save lives in the USA by preventing flu spread? Perhaps. The USA only averages around 60k pneumonia and flu deaths combined each year, so the fact that deaths involving pneumonia and COVID-19 exceed 300k should tell you that this situation is a little bit different than most years.

>>12367542
300k haven't actually died of covid, and you know it.

>>12367588
300k? Oi vey don't you mean 600k?

>>12367625
Call me when 30% of the world's population dies of a disease. Maybe I'll wear a mask and not go see my friends and family then

>>12367641
30%? Don't you mean 600,000,000%?!?

>>12367646
Nah 30% is fine. More than 5% I may actually be alarmed and all for a lockdown.

whoops someone caught a cold guess now you have to be a slave.

>>12367588
>300k haven't actually died of covid, and you know it.
Over 300k have died from pneumonia and COVID-19 combined, compared to the typical 60k pneumonia and flu deaths. But you still have yet to answer the question. Why would an American or European wearing a mask in 2016 have saved people in Africa from dying of tuberculosis?

>>12367655
>well only a couple hundred thousand people have died, not a couple hundred million, so i don't give a fuck and am possibly gonna be a contributing factor to the further spread.

This is why the US is losing its top position to china and the EU.
Are you a boomer by any chance?

>>12365939
>closure of borders
just a band-aid
with a 3 day 2x time, it grew 1000x in a month.
border closing was just a delay.
cheeto wasted that time on golf and bs.

>>12363942
What kind of surgery?

>>12369006
>border closing was just a delay.
Which was literally the point.
The entire point of the reaction was to flatten the curve to give hospitals a chance to ramp up their capacity for intensive care patients.

>>12366113
So the 200,000+ daily cases in the US now are related to Trump's election campaign bump?

>>12355142
You can tell this story is fake, because there's no way a nurse would have all that free time to talk to patients when there are tik tok videos to be made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7j36vvZkuA

Americans are left to die in hospitals lmao.

>>12369666
How can doctors stand to work with these people year after year? It must be like running a day care for mentally disabled children.

>>12368995
>This is why the US is losing its top position to china
Longterm planning on outlook. Willing to sacrifice today for longterm gains.
>and the EU.
Thanks, I needed a good laugh this morning. The EU mixes the worst of the entire planet into one retarded dysfunctional entity. It'll be lucky to stay ahead of the East African Federation.

>>12369666
>>12370033
Many doctors use drugs recreationally to manage the stress

>>12369666
so compelling

>>12370042
>>Longterm planning on outlook. Willing to sacrifice today for longterm gains.
hahahahahahahahahhaAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAH

we were talking about someoe refusing to follow basic hygiene protocol because muh convenience and not enough people dying.

>>12366113
>The states that were hammered in the summer are the same states that opened up restaurants in bars in early June
>The states that didn't open bars and restaurants didn't experience the same rise in cases
>"It was all the BLM protests!!!!!!!!"

>>12355142
How do I get my veins to really POP like hers??

Educate yourselves, retards.

>>12372433
>infowars screencap
come on now
are we really stooping this low

>>12370222
Are you talking about China or the US? Seems like you got the two confused.

>>12372592
>>12370222
I'm talking about the US.
I don't really understand. Are you arguing my side? That the us is losing ground because people can't get over their momentary desires?

>>12372433
I'm now 99% convinced infowars is just the onion now.
Yeah the radiation will construct a virus inside of you.

>>12355274
It's CTVnews, they are Canadian and no better than venezuelan propaganda

>>12370070

>>12355142
>patients
patient*

>>12358417
he wasn't wrong though.

>>12369666
>>12370070
>>12372923
a) why the hate for nurses. they literally have to deal with the absolute worst: dying people, or worse conscious and bored patients.
b) with the retards in mind here's the answer to the pic: it worked in that we aren't all dead. it's purpose isn't to kill the virus.

>>12373335
>why the hate for nurses
Well for one thing, doctors and a fuckton of nurses formed a coalition to literally block cheaper medicine in my state, and they won. Also the fucking tiktok shit and the participation in the most corrupt criminal enterprise in physik history.

>with the retards in mind here's the answer to the pic: it worked in that we aren't all dead.
What makes you think I don't want boomers dead? And no, it did NOT work. Because you fucking shrill libs have been shrieking like harpies at us all that EVEN DURING THE FUCKING LOCKDOWN we "weren't doing enough" and "Omg we're killing granma!" yet, the hospitals are quiet and the nursing homes are intact. That's not a virus I think deserves making everyone lose their fucking jobs and become homeless over. You are an enemy of mankind and everyone will remember that.

>>12373347
>the hospitals are quiet and the nursing homes are intact
Ding ding ding. That was the whole point.

>>12373355
You stupid bitch.

>>12373347
hundreds of thousands of people all around the gloe are dead and not just boomers.
you might be a fucking sociopath judging by your nsistence on wanting people dead, but the rest of th world doest think your way.
FUCK your job and your home. If you endanger people by not wearing masks and following basic hygiene, you deserve to lose everything possibly including your life.

also no the hospitals aren' quiet. death rates are raping up again, and just because it's not lik italy in sprig where you have to dump bodies in mass graves, and people are dying on the streets..... that doesn't mean things are just fine

Things aren't catastrophic, because most people aren't antisocial pseudo boomers who would get others killed for a little more convenience for themselves

>>12373365
What percentage of the global or American population is dead from Corona? We are NOT living under lockdown for the rest of our lives because you want to put every human on Earth in an ant farm.

>>12355142
>inbred retards end up dead while being retarded
?!?
So what? Or are you expecting those humans to completely change?

>>12372905
Go back and read the string of posts that you are replying to. Basic reading comprehension will make the answer obvious.

>>12373373

Endless lockdown is a strawman. Once vaccine is available lockdowns wont be necessary.

>>12373373
Anon the lockdown is necessary so more people don't die until there's a vaccine.
>>12373538
It's not just inbred retards tho. The above guy seems to be a member of society and if he can't follow basic instructions in order to minimize fatal casualties, then what fucking hope is there for us.

>>12373775
>Two more weeks!

>>12355142
>Does this happen in any country outside of the US?
Yes propaganda happens in most counties.

>>12374358
Give me liberty or give me death. You can fuck of to China if you want to live under the heel of the government. Just admit the causalities are lower than the flu and be quiet because the big boys are talking.

>>12374616
Anon you've sufficiently proven that you are retarded there is no need for further proof.
The casualties are higher than the flu, and that despite extensive measures to combat it.
And young people are dying from it as well.

To be screaming about "muh liberty" when people tell you how to avoid getting everyone infected and thus even more deaths, is sign of so much fucking narcissism that to anyone outside of america it's just fucking mindboggling.
You people are worse than the fucking boomers fucking up everything for their momentary pleasure.

I know you're trolling but people like this actually exist and being reminded of this fact is just bringing my blood to a boil every time. Like the guy giving the enemy our missile defense codes because "muh liberty to do whatever i want". Like Hillary storing government stuff on an unsecured server because her personal liberty to put emails where she wants to.

>>12374616
>Just admit the causalities are lower than the flu
Current covid deaths in burgerstan is more than the combined number of flu deaths of the previous 5 years

>>12374640
Reminder that any death is called a covid death

>>12361800
>obviously

>>12374721
Reminder that pneumonia deaths are higher than the previous four years combined.

>>12355155
Retarded boomers like you belong on /pol/

>>12355644
Midwit is just a dimwit's pseud ya fucking retard.

>>12361165
I think you know (((who))) is behind this industrial scale gaslighting.

>>12361426
>>12362449
At the time the idea of banning US citizens from returning home was politically impossible and would have been instantly struck down in the courts. Can you even remember life before this Covid hysteria? Even the measure he took was pilloried as excessive and baseless.
He also banned travel from the EU shortly afterwards.
Anyway, name ONE legitimate reason why being racist is wrong. I'll wait.

>>12375975
>At the time the idea of banning US citizens from returning home was politically impossible
How about preventing them from leaving? I know people who got stuck in quarantines in other countries because they didn't want to cancel their vacation even though air travel was shutting down. Flying Americans into and out of corona hotspots is not a smart idea.

>Even the measure he took was pilloried as excessive and baseless.
It was both of those things because it was written to be ineffectual and to target Chinese people rather than address any issue.

>He also banned travel from the EU shortly afterwards.
Wrong.

>Anyway, name ONE legitimate reason why being racist is wrong. I'll wait.
Because I'm more white than you so you are inferior to me, and according to the racists Jews have a higher average IQ and supposedly control the world making you even more inferior to them.

>>12366583
You are a r*dditor with an IQ below 115.

>>12357528
Except they pose a danger to other people you enormous fuckwit.

>>12355683
>The West in general
Don't project your American failure onto the rest of us.

>>12370033
By having sex with the hot ones, bullying them, treating them with disdain and contempt, generally lording it up over them so the nurses worship them as gods. Everything that was good about feudalism's lord-peasant relations is replicated in the doctor-nurse relationship.

>>12378628
Most of Europe is worse than America at this point. Australia can't carry the Western world on it's own, Europe and the US represent a civilisational failure.

>>12357528
Because they injure the public health, the public have a right to impose health requirements on them.

>>12378639
Finally, you admit you're inferior.

>>12377499
The EO targeted geography where corona seeded from. Australia and New Zealand did the same and defeated covid in large part because of it, neither county experienced an outbreak directly from China.

Group interests are dependent on the survival and thriving of the group for the groups own sake, not because the group is X or the group is Y, but because the group is the group. There is no additional moral justification or whatever psycho-drama you want to project as an excuse for why White people can't act in their own group interests.

>>12378659
Australia is still dependent on the US Pacific Fleet and nuclear umbrella for defence. The US needs to pull through to safeguard the greater end of protecting Australia.

>>12378683
The executive order was a joke and did nothing to prevent the influx of covid into the US.

>There is no additional moral justification or whatever psycho-drama you want to project as an excuse for why White people can't act in their own group interests.
I'm glad that you accept that you're inferior to both myself and the Jews, but I'm confused as to why you're still asserting your opinion. Since you're inferior to me you should be asking me what to think instead of trying to puzzle it out on inferior hardware.

>>12366583
Medium IQ at best haha

>>12378848
You're committing a category mistake of confusing justification by quality for justification by identity.

Group interests are always legitimate. You'll need to come up with an actual argument as opposed to passive-aggressive snidery of the effete midwit as to why one particular group, White people, should not be allowed to act in their own group interests.

The China travel ban was right and just. Other measures should have been taken to quarantine returning nationals. But the China ban in and of itself was good policy that successful countries, like Australia and New Zealand, also performed.

Cases skyrocketing and hospitals filling up. POTUS and the VP is nowhere to be seen, and here we are discussing the China ban back in February.

Beyond parody.

>>12378907
>POTUS and the VP is nowhere to be seen
Not true, Trump's been seen frequently on the golf course.

fucking amazing thread
creationists, bible thumpers, /pol/fags, making retarded claims then insisting someone else provides a study disproving their inane bullshit, nonstop attempts to draw people into arguing about anything else at all, constant fucking use of "midwit", "pilpul", as if it's not so hilariously obvious where you retards come from

>>12378897
>You'll need to come up with an actual argument
The argument is your own. White people are superior based on their genetics. According to a DNA test I took I'm 96% white white the other 4% being honorary white peoples like Swedes or the Welsh. You are most likely less white than me and therefore, by your own argument, inferior. Which part of this is hard for you? Is it the part where you're at the disadvantage because you're mixed?

>The China travel ban was right and just
It didn't ban travel at all. How can it be "right and just" if it doesn't do what it's supposed to?

>Australia and New Zealand, also performed
Their travel restrictions actually restricted travel. They didn't allow people from Australia or New Zealand to fly around like it was business as usual.

The American right tried to moralize covid-19 in the same way that they moralized AIDS. Covid started in China and was evidence of their moral and genetic inferiority. The big problem with this is that while AIDS is extremely hard to get, extremely hard to spread, and only effects a small subset of a small subset of the population, covid is airborne pneumonia that preferentially kills people over the age of 50 i.e. prime magatard demographics.

>>12379564
Lmao this guy is a retard, check out his book:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coming_Collapse_of_China
>He claimed that the hidden nonperforming loans of the "Big Four" Chinese State banks would likely bring down China's financial system and its communist government in 2006, 2011, 2012, 2016, and 2017.
Basically the same as doomsday cultists who think they can calculate judgement day by adding up numbers in the bible. Imagine having to go through your life being consistently wrong about everything

Funny to see all the leftists in here trying to gaslight everyone that they weren't screaming racist for the first months of the pandemic at anything that involved restricting Chinese travel. Same with calling the taskforce sexist and racist back in January because diversity of genitals and skin light reflectivity was more important to them than expertise. Next they'll deny they confused ebola with covid.
I get that information, like gender, is fluid for leftists but the sane people remember "Hug a Chinese" day and Pelosi telling everyone to crowd together for Chinese New Year. They also remember your leaders murdering old folks in nursing homes by forcing them to accept covid patients.

>>12355142

Ignore it. This nurse was interviewed for the purposes of bullshitting, because according to several other nurses, in contact with far more patients, the reality has been quiet different. According to those medics there haven't been that many WuhanCoVir denialists for Trump, those who've gotten sick from the virus were grateful to receive whatever care they got, and over all acted like any other patient.

Note the details in the framing of this story, that of the disease denying Trump supporter, and it should tell you everything one needs to know about the writers and its purpose or effect.
The entire effect of this article, and this interview with this nurse, is simply to demonize others, create divisions, and muddle reality.

That nurse may have seen at least a couple of patients that have done the things she says they have, such as denying the facts unto their last breath, begging and demanding a cure, and being aggressive to staff. But, this article wishes to create the impression that this subset of patients describes all of them. Its Bullshit, or propaganda.

>>12359758
I knew I wasn't the only one who thought that.

>>12380138
>Funny to see all the leftists in here trying to gaslight everyone that they weren't screaming racist for the first months of the pandemic at anything that involved restricting Chinese travel.
There is no left wing gaslighting, only right wing damage control.
>I get that information, like gender, is fluid for leftists but the sane people remember "Hug a Chinese" day and Pelosi telling everyone to crowd together for Chinese New Year.
If we had actually been doing what the Chinese did, then we wouldn't have had the worst response in the whole industrialized world.

The right wing populists in control of the worst hit countries tried to have their cake and eat it too. That they would not have to institute an economy damaging 3 month lockdown and keep the virus under control with purely voluntary restrictions, a strategy that was and is doomed to failure.

>>12381337
>Note the details in the framing of this story, that of the disease denying Trump supporter, and it should tell you everything one needs to know about the writers and its purpose or effect.
>The entire effect of this article, and this interview with this nurse, is simply to demonize others, create divisions, and muddle reality.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>12355142
>look at this article about something ridiculously retarded that isn't news at all that proves you should be scared about something stupid because we say so goy
wow you convinced to be terrified of life OP good job. I will now cower in fear for the rest of my life

>>12381366
Imagine being 14 like this guy

>>12355168
Whereas a genius such as yourself believes something came from nothing, which is even a child knows is literally impossible.

Actually you don't even believe that, you in fact never even thought of it because you are an idiot that never thought about it all, you have just accepted a narrative you neither understand or even thought about on the most basic level as fact.

The irony eh? Imbecile

>>12381363
Well, you have an opinion about my statements, so what do you think I'm saying?

Oh, and:
>Inb4 "You said coronavirus is a hoax"

>>12381366

1% of a million is still 100,000.

>>12381406
>Well, you have an opinion about my statements, so what do you think I'm saying?
>this article wishes to create the impression that this subset of patients describes all of them. Its Bullshit, or propaganda.
It does describe the subset of patients that are disease denying Trump supporters. He has a personality cult that would make Kim Jong-un jealous.

>>12381410
In that same time 5 million people die in car crashes, 2 million from common flu, 10 million from heart disease but you wont stop driving, or stop stuffing your fat ass with ding dongs and twinkies will you?

news flash: people die, it is what they are designed to do

>>12355168
nah red dit tors are the dumbest. they believe cutting genitals changes gender. they believe stupid things like faggos are born that way instead of being created by abuse

>>12355274
based synopses my mad lad fren. the Based King salutes you

>>12355606
and you think you are the author above it all, narcissism is funny innit?

you were prob calling other people schizo and pol for saying this was all bs just a month ago

>>12381446

Yes, people die. But notice how much time and energy is dedicated towards preventing them from doing so. Heck, it even goes down for the unborn and their mothers.
Babies die, some in the womb, but a few movements and areas of medicine make it their business to stop that.
Mothers die, some birthing children, and areas of medicine and movements dedicate time and money to prevent that.
Why doesn't the argument "But they were going to die anyways?" work against them?

>>12381446

Old people and the moribund are on the point of death. Yet, for some reason, hasting it doesn't seem to be an option, even though "They were going to die anyways?"

This idea that "These deaths always happen, therefore don't worry about it," could just as easily be used as an argument for hurrying the process, for its benefits to others. Yet, no doubt, you would be appalled if anyone tried..

>>12381435

We're talking about the virus, not Trump. The writers of the article made it about Trump, not the virus.
You'd prefer to counter a personality cult with its inversion, an anti-personality cult so to speak. However, that simply keeps the frame on Trump instead of the actual issue of the coronavirus.

Your mind is still framed on Trump. You're the victim of the very thing you mock others for, much like those few patients that nurse saw.

>>12381467

>you were prob calling other people schizo and pol for saying this was all bs just a month ago.

unfounded assumption.

>>12381508
>However, that simply keeps the frame on Trump instead of the actual issue of the coronavirus.
Because Trump is the one that fucked up America's covid-19 response in a very deliberate and malign way.

>>12381497
>Yet, no doubt, you would be appalled if anyone tried.
Why would you think this? My post should give you every indication of the opposite. Only cucks and atheistards think this life is some precious thing to cling too. This dimension is a shit hole, you are doing people a favor shipping them back to the source to reincarnate somewhere else. I am beyond space and time like a gladiator. This life and this death is only to amuse the Gods. A good death is its own reward. You are a pussy and deserve a cowards death

>>12381483
Another new flash: People are ridiculous and do stupid shit for no rhyme or reason

>>12381561
Cuomo ordered hospitals to send COVID PATIENTS into NURSING HOMES

>>12381594
A few congresscucks and governors also went to businesses and attended parties with many people in them.

>>12381586
>>12381591

Edgy boy here.
>Good death

A "Good death", however thats determined, is only really known through having lived a good life (whatever that is, but in this case I assume great deeds were done, right?).
If you were on your way to the sort of good death you think we're all cowards for avoiding, I doubt you would be posting here, anon.

>>12355612
Man I miss TLP

>>12363710
Masks don't help much if you're in close proximity and yelling slogans

>>12369445
Yes. Both can be true.

>>12355142
Probably because she injected air into their veins.

>>12355606
Corona has symptoms just about the same as the flu.

They "healthy people" they show dying are mostly fat and/or elderly.

Stop eating bon bons already, whore!