/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12356081
learn english faggot

Dolphins are actually fully sapient. They're too smart for this dumb ass society shit humans do, instead living lives of comfort in their perfectly adapted bodies, hunting fish and having casual sex all day.

>>12356081
Unclamped thoughts. Unfortunately as humans they clamp us, so we're cursed to forever only think clamped and vaccinated thoughts.

>>12356081
Deviant ideation. Dolphins are notorius sexual perverts.

>>12356102
/x/->

>>12356109
Clamped.

>>12356109
Clamped, vaccinated, and probably circumcised

Probably cursing their ancestors who decided to return to water leaving them with useless flippers, unable to ever rise above the primitivity.

The CPU in a 1984 Mac is bigger than the CPU in an iPhone. Doesn't mean it works better or does the same things.

>>12356081
Their natural sonar system takes up a lot of brain space.

>>12356122
No hands means no tools means no intelligence acceleration means no submission to the instrumental reason of technology and capital means get to keep primative freedom.

>>12356081
>bottlenose
>larger and more complex
nope. they have less neurons than the average human brain. the real big niggers are the orca

>>12356162
What's going on in their brain bros? What kind of abstract thoughts do they have?

>>12356162
More complex is not the same as bigger, retard.

>>12356162
>big nigger
You realize niggers are stupid right?

>>12356162
The true test of intelligence is whether they enjoy torturing other animals for fun. Big pass for the orca and chimp.

>>12356172
>has literally over 2x as many neurons in the cortex than is found in an above-average human
>not larger and more complex
cope more, monkey man

We need to learn to communicate with these smart sea mammals and give them the tools they need to reach their full potential. How many fucking decades has this idea existed but still no-one has properly attempted it? :(

>>12356178
That means they have a small frontal cortex

>>12356178
This isn't torture, it's to stun it

>>12356225
dolphins don't have tools and probably can't comprehend the concept of tool use. they also lack the cold, dry, logic centers found in apes that make us what we are, so their language would quite likely be emotionally expressive or involve abstractions, as opposed to our rigid and descriptive language.

>>12356102
the sad thing is there might be some truth to the idea of clamping having some negative consequences, but this guy acts like it dooms you. the vaccine shit is laughable.

>>12356081
Mostly thinking about rape and torturing seals to death for fun.

>>12356264
Wow based

>>12356162
neuron number is not all that matters though

>>12356225
John C lilly attempted it though? And was backed by the government. Nothing really worked out that well in regards to communicating with them and they ended up stopping the program since they felt bad for the dolphins.

>>12356307
Don't bother, it's a popsci thread

>muh smart dolphins, so kewl xD

>>12356264
I meant the dolphin not the Canadian

>>12356312

You sound young. Eventually you will learn to judge an idea on it's own merits and not if it is popular or niche.

>>12356399
I'm not against the idea, I'm against the retards posting in this thread with no solid evidence to back up said idea.

Intelligence of dolphins has been discussed to death. They have metacognition, tool use, and a high EQ which means they are among the smartest animals but thinking they are somehow smarter than us because "da brains big" is retarded popsci. There is conclusive proof that their large brains (as well as those of other cetaceans) have a lot to do with their sonar-like echolocation system.

Now if someone here was actually interested in discussing the topic in depth my replies wouldn't have been so dismissive, but it seems to me, like (You) are the uncultured child.

>>12356307
except that the picture in that post is specifically counting the neurons in the cortex, it's not counting the entire brain. even when you consider the need for extra brain power in cetacean mammals, the discrepancy between a bottlenose (12 billion), a human (18-21 billion), and an orca (fucking 43 billion) is ludicrous. that extra 31 billion cortex neurons isn't just for jacking off.

>>12356162
Fewer

>>12356102
I love you

>>12356307
COPE

the dolphin's brain looks like a fat ass sitting on a bicycle seat
i want to fuck it

>>12356453
what's it like to be autistic?

>>12356307
>it's about the motion of the ocean, the size of the boat doesn't matter...

>>12356178
Dolphins rape other dolphins

>>12356081
>>12356132
Visualizing sonar requires a lot more neurons. We get some depth info from our hearing and stereo vision, they get a SHITLOAD more depth info.

>>12356668
Does that mean they see in the 4th dimension?

>>12356081
Sonar signal processing.
Also redundancy; when they 'sleep' only one hemisphere is unconscious at a time.

>>12356102
Bich !

>>12356582
>human brainlets somehow opposed to rape
>dolphin megabrains perfectly adapted for and pro rape
What did He mean by this?

>>12356699
If by 4th dimension you mean an extra sensory input that we do not have, then sure.

Does a blind person live in the 2nd dimensions?

What about the deaf?

>>12356236
Orca's play seal soccer for hours dummy.

>>12356933
>dolphins need 12 billion neurons for sonar processing
>orcas need 43 billion neurons for... sonar processing

>>12357014
is the answer d and if not why so?

>>12356081
>the year is 2040
>girls only date BDB (Big Dolphin Brain)
>human males eliminated from gene pool

>>12357014
please advise

>>12356956
Rape is not an excuse, it's a reason.
And tonight, everything seems so reasonable

>>12356124
Yes it does. CPU minimalism is retarded and muh efficiency and muh smaller chips is why Moore's law has been ever decreasing as late.

>>12356438
Different anon here
You appear to be under the retarded idea that cortex neutrons are purely for higher level thinking, when the sensorimotor cortex takes up a significant portion of the human cortex (as does the visual cortex), and the size of the sensorimotor strip is larger for organisms with a larger body

Tl;dr don’t spout your popsci shit here like you know anything

> inb4 some seething copefilled reply where you back-pedal and research a bunch of shit to justify your retarded claim

>>12356081
Nothing, they are stupid animals, just as stupid as they were thousands of years ago. Evolution is a farce for low IQ science worshipping plebbitors.

>>12356309
this esoteric schizo attempted it 60 years ago and failed, pack it in boys

>>12357633
Cope more

>>12357615
Moore's law says chips either get stronger or smaller, so I don't see how the focus on making them smaller could violate said law.

>>12357014
>>12357062
>>12357240

Yea its D bro,

your lucky I still have the neural plasticity to do this, I was a high-IQ (160) studious fuck but i am now a hedonistic coombrain

I still do these to gauge my intelligence but this is just spatial test, I think I have deficiencies in social intelligence maybe emotional too.

>>12357622
Cortex neurons are for many tasks, but the propised tasks given to explain cetacean brains being similar in size to humans, does to explain why orcas have 31 billion more than a bottlenose. The excess is 1.5x the size of a human cortex alone, and I have yet to hear a good argument for it.

>>12358311
so how do I actually fix my pineal gland?

>>12356108
wtf i love dolphins now

>>12356108
Are dolphin traps gay?

>>12356170
Orcas shitpost on their secret orca 4chan via exclusive orca memes

>>12356309
The program didn't work out only because they were too squeamish to let the dolphin fuck his teacher

Complex motor control related to swimming. Notice the complete absence of any pre or post-frontal cortex.

>>12358390
Its because of the size of the animal, orcas are fucking massive in comparison to dolphins but their intelligence is comparable. Dolphins do weird team tricks like pic related in the wild as well.

If you scale the number of neurons to body size you will see that humans are ahead by a long fucking way.

>>12359241
brain to body ratios are applied to the brain as a whole, not specifically to the cortex; most neurons in large animals end up in regions like the cerebellum that are used for movement (an elephant's brain is over 95% cerebellum). it also has less accuracy when taking scale into account, as a 5% increase in neurons for an elephant is going to have significantly more impact than a 5% increase in neurons for a mouse or a cat.

asian elephants are a good example for comparison, their brains are roughly the same size by weight as an orca brain (12-14lbs), and they are one of the only known animal groups to have spindle neurons, only otherwise found in apes and whales/dolphins, that are believed to be directly tied to higher intelligence. asian elephants have 6.775B cortex neurons. orcas have 43B cortex neurons. from that alone we can see that orcas have an almost 6.4x larger cortex in what is otherwise generally equal sized brain.

>>12357014
>>12358311
>tfw almost solved it by myself looking at it for 15 seconds but I was too curious and looked at the answer before

>>12359473
tfw such a brainlet the only thing I see as pattern is the number of "arms"

>>12357014
I think my brain is frying with age because I don't even know where to start with this.

>>12356081
squeaks and hard pp feelings

>>12356132
>>12356668

Beat me to it

>>12359563
>>12359587
You can see that the arms rotate in a kind of similar way in columns, and the last 2 columns lose an arm from the first to the second one but they don't for the third one, so I was betting it was D but I wasn't sure 100% and then I was too curious and looked at the answer so I also can't just say that I solved it 100%.

>>12359636
see I figured it might be like a clock rotation but with some of the arms overlapping in the initial box, but I couldn't be assed to brute force potential rotations since these things usually have simple patterns once you know the answer.

>>12359587 here, I figured it out and I feel retarded

>>12359636
>>12359676
superimpose the first two images of each row, if two arms are overlapping then remove them, this gives you the third image in each row

>>12357014
>>12357062
>>12359473
>>12359563
>>12359636
>>12359676
>>12359712
Once you've done one IQ test of this type you'll be able to solve them all

>>12356108
You mean they've ascended beyond giving a fuck about who likes what and they explore their own desires without fear? That sounds pretty fucking based.

>>12356081
that's why they rape

>>12359756
Yeah. Literally 90% of the Mensa Norway questions are simple logical XORs like this.

>>12357062
Shit would be more clear if it gave you literally any indication of what was happening. It's three independent rows. The third box is the result of performed an aggregation operations on the first two. If you know all that, then seeing the function is XOR (exclusive or) is easy if you know what XOR is. Even if you don't, you should be able to see some kind of pattern and reason it out.
But getting from seeing a grid of boxes to interpreting them as just rows can take a while if you block yourself into thinking it can't be that simple. It's less of an IQ test and more of one of those asshole IU designs which are unintuitive just to be annoying.

>>12356124
it may be bigger but it's not more complex, it's far simpler actually
the dolphin brain is bigger AND more complex

>>12357615
kek

>>12359370
but elephants appear to be just as smart as orcas

>>12360238
I shut my internal discussion off and just tried following it with my eyes and checking what made the most sense at the bottom, I dunno if I got it right on accident but doing that I was pretty definite it was d for some reason

>>12356081
>more complex
[Citation needed]

>>12358311
>>12358586
Bumping anons question I wanna know too

>>12360204
Based dolphin disregards your feelings and rapes you.

>>12360656
That's via familiarity anon, cetaceans are highly foreign creatures with a highly foreign environment and highly foreign means of communication. An elephant using a stick to swat makes sense, an orca using complex clicks and pulses to scan the environment while simultaneously communicating with each other from sometimes hundreds of miles away is a bit more abstract.

>>12356111
based clamp schizo is still here after all this time

>>12360238
Dude come on, it was obvious as fuck. Just count how many lines are in each fucking row.
2 4 4
2 3 3
2 3 ?
D has 3 lines. EZ as piss

>>12357113
stay mad, humanboi. your girl is built for BDB

>>12356081
It's mostly just sonar equipment.

>>12356085
He only missed an apostrophe

>>12361206
Wow. If that’s the way to solve some of them: then these tests are severely flawed.

>>12361242
idk seems like its fine to me, they're not all like that or always like that. They'll even change what part of the pattern you have to look at to make sure your not thinking in mode. It makes sense to me for an IQ test

>>12361206
You are not guaranteed to have solved it with that method because you're not using the spacial information. There are lots of ways to make that puzzle which would make your count and compare strategy give the wrong answer. Essentially, you're underfitting. If ten problems were given, you'd get half or more wrong.

>>12357615
You are the one who's retarded. Smaller cpus are cheaper to produce and faster

>>12361247
Why are you assuming I'd use this strategy for all or similar looking problems? It worked here because occam's razor dictates it. I went through other possibilities but there is no pattern.

>>12356081
if I have some jumper cables and a dolphin brain can I steal its intelligence by hooking my brain to it?

>>12361254
yes but the jumper cables have to be attached to its genitals and anus and your genitals an anus or it wont work

>>12361253
There is a pattern lmao.

>>12361261
i guess thats why im a 128 iq brainlet and you're the 140 iq gigachad anon, please be nice

You guys are forgetting that orcas only use half of their brain at a time. They switch hemispheres so they be awake for longer durations.

>>12361263
140 isn't really that big. I'm 140 in fluid intelligence and it's just in the "guy is pretty advanced in some subjects but overall can't do anything impressive yet" type range.

>>12361263
Say you gave D because it has 3. Okay. Then you turn the page and it has the same problem except the bottom row is a > for the first box and the same backwards K that's in the top middle for the second box. That's 2 and 4, answer is 4 right? The choices you're given are
A. I
B. -
C. K
D. v
Answer is C right? That's the only one with four lines. Wrong. The answer is A.

>>12361309
Paint the picture (make one) for us brainlets, in order for out brainy-things to go WROOM

>>12361290
It means, inherently, that you outperformed 99%(depending on the test) of other test takers, stfu.

>>12361206
>>12361242
>>12361247
I think that's the point. some of them work with the easier number method or the XOR method, some of them work exclusively with the XOR pattern, and people who get the only the former right are midwits. People who can see neither pattern are nitwits. IQ tests are flawed in that it is difficult to separate people with very high IQs, and are impossible on people who can't understand they are taking a test.

>>12361206
That's not really a stable pattern though.
Yes it's clear it seems more likely the next one is to be three than two, the reasoning for that is basically just "the area in question is surrounded by pictures with more arms, therefore this one must also have a high number." Which can obviously be wrong in some cases.

>>12356122
>unable to ever rise above the primitivity
Such a retarded anthropomorphic take. Sure, they definitely would be happier shitposting all day instead living a life being wholesome being. Out of all species it's you who should be cursing own ancestors for your joke of a existence.

If you was as sapient as you think, you would retreat to something like this instead of cheap globohomo progressivism bullshit.
>>12356092

>>12356699
>Does that mean they see in the 4th dimension?
More like they "see" in something closer to a real 3D than our 2.5D.

>>12356081
Sound waves, ocean is one big chat room.

>>12356081
Their large brain size and complexity is almost certainly involved with underwater 3d spatial navigation, navigating large stretches of territory (feeding and breeding grounds, etc), the ability to cast out and receive their own sonic calls, language, social relationships, and culture. Humans had larger brains before writing since they had to remember more stuff.

>>12356092
All animals are fully sapient, so this is a misnomer.

>>12356225
Isn't North Korea weaponizing dolphins

>>12356081
The spine is the true source of higher intelligence. That pudgy punching bag in the skull is nothing more than a red herring....

>>12356162
To me there's nothing scarier than an orca. Take a look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ky5cPhG2I4

At 13 seconds you can clearly see the orca deep in abstract thought, and any animal that is capable of doing that deserves to be revered.

They say there's no record of an orca ever killing a human in the wild, but that's probably because they're smart enough to not leave witnesses.

>>12361279
Now thats the kind of absurd explanation for 43b neurons I was looking for; they wouldn't have a reb neuron brain, they'd have two independant 21.5B neuron brains.

Do you have any sources to back your claim?

>>12362695
Translation
>I'm such a pathetic faggot that fish with bigger brains make me jealous for being so useless and worthless.

>>12356081
Who fucking cares. Opposable thumbs you overgrown mackerels.

>>12364049
https://whalewatchwesternaustralia.com/single-post/2019/02/27/how-do-killer-whales-orca-sleep/

This was first result i found when I searched "orca sleep"

Not sure if what I said was completely true but I definitely think the reason why they are a bit less intelligent than us is because of their sleep.

>>12357014
its D but i took like 1 minute to solve

>>12364092
chop-chop devolved progress-worshipping cuckold. DeShawn will be here soon and I want you out of the house, he doesn't like it when you watch.

>>12357612
based XRA poster

>>12356237
bruh-- dolphins speak in 3D
their sonar isn't just one way

>>12361279
That's not all the way true-- they have a portion of time in which one hemisphere is dominant, but not always.

>>12356162
if the pilot whales are so smart why do they keep beaching themselves :(
omg... are they suicidal?

>>12356124
The old chip might be larger, but it is orders of magnitudes less complex. You're comparing apples to oranges.

>>12363902
All animals are sentient. Sapience is a word used mostly to describe the introspective and abstractive abilities of humans. No other animal is widely agreed to be sapient, sadly. Other apes, dolphins, parrots and corvids (in that order) are all close though.

>>12366008
Elephants are smarter than parrots, parrots are incredibly overrated

>>12364092
Visualisation
>picrel

>>12364121
Ape brainlet.
We're way smarter than you could even dream

>>12356158
Go get eaten by a lion Monketard.

>>12356108
This. To gain cosmic balance I have imprisoned 50% of earth's dolphins and subject them to non-stop sexual torture to offset their evil sexual pleasures in the wild

>>12363985
ORCABROS WE GOT TOO COCKY

>>12357014
D

>>12366082
Elephants are more overrated than parrots.

>>12360204
its all fun and games unless youre the baby dolphin getting raped

>>12356081
>larger
a fucking cow has a larger brain than humans, you literal retard
>more complex
by what arbitrary measurement? pseudo-science at this point

>>12366902
Baby dolphins are protected pretty viciously and they're not the typical target of raping anyway. You're more likely to see a young bull and and older one both tag teaming the young bull's mother.

>>12356081

>>12367040
lmao based

>>12357014
D