/sci/ - Science & Math

First for the ninjas

>vega

Fuck boing and fuck urf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcy4yZb13fE
REEEEEpost
"Bio"Asteroid mining, shit with our DNA and the japanese trash airlock
Also:
>fuck urf
>fuck boing/ULA
>fuck EU space program
>LOVE MARS

how come none of them are black

>>12356802

>>12356802
Omiwa........

After watching Felix's new video, both mary and maria will be out of job as we will only get photographic updates from those RGV guys. SpaceX boca keeps limiting the view to camera people and Super-heavy work is not visible at all I think.

>>12356878
explain

>>12356881
https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos

DEPOT

>>12356878
Source from a not shit spacetuber?

>>12356878
This is a loss to the autism community

>>12356924
Wait are... are we the futuristic version of rain man train watchers? Oh no.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/765810/Mars_Horizon/

Oldspace space agency simulator. Now you too can plan a project for 20 years just to see it explode after launch.

>>12356942
I watched someone stream that the other day. Basically just a phone game in terms of depth.

>>12356936
Ummmm wouldn't Heywood Floyd already be familiar with how zero g toilets work?? Uh plothole much?

>>12356936
I gotta take a SHIT I ain’t reading that novel

>>12356973
Based, space jannies can clean it up.

>>12356942
Similarly, what does /sfg/ think about Buzz Aldrin's Race Into Space, or its shittier modern remake:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/308270/Buzz_Aldrins_Space_Program_Manager/

>>12356423
holy fuck this poor bastard
>Thank you ... it happened to us with Cryosat ... and before Cluster ..

>loses 12 years of work last night to Vega failure
>prior to that lost Cluster on the first Ariane 5 launch and Cryosat-1 on a Russian rocket

>>12357060
regarding the 2 lost sats last night:
>Usually satellites pay insurance to cover these risks. In this case, it appears that it was not insured. (ESA missions are not usually insured)

JUST

>>12357060
Geez...

>>12357069
btw the satellites were valued at $400 million

>>12357076
>not insuring a $400m payload riding on top of several thousand tonnes of exploding cryogenic fuel
>when the fuckup of a company has already failed in the past for your launches

Why?......

>>12357050
>>12356942
there was one of these kind of games that actually looked like it might be decent someday, but I can never remember what it was

>>12357082
Solid, Solid ,Solid ,Hypergolic. No cryogenic fuels in that rocket.

>>12357069
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>12357060
>>12357069
JUST

Holy fuck this bad luck Euro dude is going to be remembered by this general forever hahahahah

>>12357101
Even worse, sitting on top of a giant solid explosive stick with an unstable cancer juice tip.

>>12357060
>>12357069
Absolutely JUSTed

>>12357069
Wonder what they did to piss off fate.
>Not insuring your $400 million dollar machine

>>12357069
>>12357076
>>12357082
>>12357134
>tfw I have car insurance on my piece of shit car worth less than $1,500 but the ESA doesn't insure their $400 million spacecraft.

Shoutout to that Berger interview with ESA where they said "we just want to be taken seriously"

>>12357145
>we just want to be taken seriously
when someone says that you immediately stop taking them seriously. It's like an idiotic self-fulfilling prophecy in a way.

>>12357060
What do you even spend 12 years on when making a satellite, begging for money?

>>12357192

>>12357145
Source?

>>12357060
>>12357069
Funny thing is, Cryosat-1 was destroyed on a Rockot launch operated by Eurockot Launch Services....majority owned by ArianeGroup.

>>12357224
It's in that article from your pic, yeah. I thought that was an old article, didn't realize he wrote it yesterday. Berger's writing style is so funny. It reads like a narration from a Wes Anderson movie.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/07/as-the-spacex-steamroller-surges-european-rocket-industry-vows-to-resist/
Read this and tell me it doesn't sound like the grand budapest hotel

polymeric nitrogen propellant when bros?

>>12357258
Add that one to the "alien ambassadors see us doing something and leave without making first contact" list

>>12357211
Sorry sweaty, but JWST has actually been in the NASA system for 24 years

Say we had one of those ftl ships that move by shrinking and expanding space, what would happen if it was on a runway on earth and we turned it on?

How much of SpaceX's manufacturing speed and cheapness comes from cheap designs, and how much comes from better manufacturing practices?
Like, could ULA or Boing cheaply make a Falcon 9 or a Merlin assuming they had the production line for it?

>>12357340
Management style, smart engineering, cost conscious culture, and leadership direction.

Both Merlin/Falcon9 evolved so much that its a different beast. Both are now the best vehicle/engine today and possibly may even be best ever in few years.

Will Starship hull manufacturing eventually be improved?
Like, it currently looks crude and slapped together, which is understandable since it's experimental. Once the design is finalised though will there likely be dedication to a more intensive manufacturing pipeline?

>>12357340
They do as much in house manufacturing as possible to not get fleeced by oldspace contractors used to inflating their prices for the government launch providers.

>>12357340
>>12357367
They also have an emphasis on using as much commercial off the shelf(COTS) parts as possible.

>>12357361
as Musk has said clearly 4,556,132 times, large scale manufacturing is 1000 times harder than the prototypes. so yes, but it might be a while

>>12357361
Yeah, this goes way back and I don't have a source for it- but I vaguely remember Musk saying he wants to get it to the point where a college student could just watch over the computers/machines as 99% of the Starship build process will be automated. Right now they are testing specific things, like which weld types to use. How to connect A to B. What needs to be strengthened. What is redundant. The cheapest way to do that is to use welders and just fly it till it explodes, save maybe the engines because they are kinda expensive. But once Musk is confident in the design, Starship will most likely be pumped out like Model-T's on a robotic assembly line

>>12357340
A lot of it comes from not having virtually unlimited gov't money to burn through you just have to beg for good enough, but which also comes with the need to please all kinds of retards who are utterly incompetent in space flight but still feel entitled to watch your every step and police you because it's "their" tax money. You can often hear "what could spacex do if they had that kind of money", no fuck that shit. SN4 shenanigans alone would cost them years in courts against mismanagement and fraud charges and massive public backlash. Even before that, the whole boca chica lel welding in the swamp thing would be out of the window because it's somehow not that easy in rocketry. Maybe chinks with their government structure could pull it off, but "democratic" west? Hell no.

>>12357340
Minimizing useless union workers is a good start.

>>12357361
Elon hath spoken, and said weld E S T H E T I C S will improve.

>>12357361
He said recently that welds aesthetics will improve greatly in later SNs and plumbing/wiring you see on the outside will be eventually tucked in to raceway.

I doubt it'll look this shiny and slick, not even F9 looks ''smooth'' when you zoom in at 4k pictures from launch pad.

If it can be built, launched and operated in these kinds of conditions, it's good to go for Moon/Mars.

Though I do expect more than a few catastrophic RUDs on launch and landing. And probably a crew loss too, at some point.

>>12357398

>>12357398
>on launch and landing
I'm particularly expecting an RUD doing the bellyflop. High compressive forces along the weakest axis of the craft.

>>12357405
Yeah, I don't expect SN8 to survive the dead fall.

I'm hype about Starship but I am deeply skeptical about it being ready for anything other than Starlink deployment for at least the next 3-5 years. Really this whole decade will be Starship development decade and then manned Mars landing in 2037.
There are so many unknowns and know unknowns at this scale, these engines and overall design.

And then there's Superheavy with it's 27 engines.

Raptor engines use methane
Brapfags should put their faces in them while they ignite

>>12357385
>SN4 shenanigans alone would cost them years in courts against mismanagement and fraud charges and massive public backlash.
This hit me hard.
>>12357398
>>12357401
I hate shiny Starship. I want it to have a bit of grit and grime to it, a sort of industrial feel.
I also believe Saturn V was the absolute peak of rocket aesthetics and that it has never and will never be topped, so take that as you will.

>>12357421
>I hate shiny Starship
Same. I wanna see a whole Starship painted up like the lunar mock-up they did. Matte white with a bigass American flag and red accents is peak space aesthetics.

>>12357421
>I hate shiny Starship.
Every Starship and ever Superheavy will be shiny exactly once, anon, so let it go.
The real question is, given the recent ESA problems, when will SpaceX be able to charge more for launches on used, space proven, equipment rather than on new first stages.

>>12357340
>>12357345
>>12357367
One of the more interesting examples of SpaceX's difference is their refusal to use isogrids in the Falcon 9.

>>12357385
This. SpaceX is good in part BECAUSE they don't have cost plus contract bullshit. Humans get wasteful when dealing with extreme surplus. Like the above isogrid example: it's incredibly expensive, wasteful, and time-consuming for marginal performance increases. No one practical would consider it on a large scale unless they're in a baby-tier forgiving environment


>>12357409
this is true. F9 is nearly an order of magnitude improved from its initial version. I expect Starship to follow the same trajectory. When it reaches maturity it's going to be a beast.

>>12357398
>And probably a crew loss too, at some point.
And when that happens, I hope people are understanding and mature just enough to understand that spaceflight is inherently high risk effort. Though I bet some shitheads in DC will try use that a shovel to beat SpaceX where they think it belongs.
This whole idea of ''rich fleeing to Mars'' make no sense, you are on average much safer living in a fucking war zone and that'll be true for at least the first 30-50 flights of Starship there.

Muskbros... should we be worried?

>>12357435
They have to launch it first. Are they going to pay ULA to do that? Or wait another decade for BO to finally launch?

I do think that if it's done right it could take away the top gravy Elon hopes Starlink will be but there's no reason why those two could not co-exist.

>>12357435
>if only you knew how awesome things really are

>>12357435
No, because Amazon still needs a way to launch first. No point in having a sattelite internet constellation when its all still grounded because BO cant get their fucking launcher built and flown.

>>12357435
BO is already in the desperate poaching phase? Yikeroo

>>12357435
is it legal for someone to do work for a company and then turn around and do the same shit for another? Don't know how this stuff works.

>>12357452
Yes, unless there is a restraint of trade clause in your contract, which is the most heinous kike shit ever.

>>12357452
Depends on if you sign a non-compete with the original company. Either his expired or it wasn't a part of his contract

>>12357463
>not wanting to hand over trade secrets to competitors is kike shit

>>12357467
>trade secrets

Are covered under intellectual property. Imagine leaving a job or being fired and not being able to practice your profession for a year or more and having to wagecuck at maccas or be unemployed because your seething faggot boss didn't want you working for the other guy in town who pays better.

>>12357449
for a while now https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/07/amazon-hired-former-spacex-management-for-bezos-satellite-internet.html

>>12357427
I can see it.
>FUCK URF scrawled on the side in NASA worm font
>green gridfins on the first stage
>4ASS meatball for payload logo
>American flags on the rear flaps, squids on the fore flaps

>>12357467
Restraint of trade clauses are abused like a motherfucker nowadays because the employer knows if you leave your job because they are cunts then you will be out of a job. Things that one company doesn't want to pass to another are protected by NDAs and IP. You think that a painter or electrician should be unable to practice his trade? Because this is where the vast majority of these clauses are used, to fuck over middle class wagies, not for fucking rocket scientists who are signing NDAs and shit anyway like I said.

>>12357432
>their refusal to use isogrids in the Falcon 9
Never knew that. Pretty interesting, though. I’m curious how much performance they lose by using regular sheet metal. Definitely in line with their willingness to take mild performance hits in exchange for cost reductions. Not having to machine every fucking tank wall must save them a ton.

>>12357449
Everyone is poaching SpaceX/Tesla. Its because SpaceX selects specific traits that other companies don't look for or can't look for due to lack of leadership.

>>12357503
It also helps that a lot of engineers at Musk’s companies want to move to something with better pay and more reasonable hours once they start having kids.

>>12357503
>other companies don't look for or can't look for due to lack of leadership.
true like >>12357435 who is an old videogame programmer, boing would rather outsource to pajeets

>>12357511
They want to relax and slow down what they're doing. Lot of other companies will take leftovers of SpaceX over fresh recruit from old industries.

>>12357479
Obviously there's knowledge that can be put to use without directly violating a patent. Actually that person would be best positioned to transfer their IP over to another project while working around that restriction. Key employees aren't easily replaceable which is why clauses like that are included.

>>12357493
>talking about non-competes in an extremely sensitive and niche industry
>b-b-but what about wagies???
Yes, making tradesmen sign non-competes is scummy. In the context of SpaceX/BO though do you think the reasoning for implementing them (if they do) is to rip off their top employees? Nothing Jewish about SpaceX wanting to retain some of their most important assets

>>12357143
There's two kinds of insurance, the one they make you buy when you drive a car is the kind that pays for the other guy's car.

What’s gonna happen with sn6 and sn7

I wonder which SN# we're going to start seeing the apparent new change to SS design. Not 8 or 9, obviously.

>>12357532
What change?

>>12357533
I think he means the new legs.

>>12357533
it's potentially big enough to warrant delaying the Starship 2020 update

What are the in situ resource exploitation options available on the moon?

>>12357549
if I remember right you can get hydrogen from it. There was a proposal to put hydrogen fuel depots in space sourced from the moon. Again, if I'm remembering correctly.

>>12357549
>water
>helium 3, but in really shit concentration (think harvesting back yard topsoil for thorium bad)
>probably any other light elements, silicates etc that would have been blasted off earth in the big slam jam that created Luna

>>12357546
ITS is coming back bros

>>12357561
Speaking of looking through dirt, did you know that fly ash from coal is a good source of uranium?

>>12357533
Probably legs or rather legless configurations.

>>12357549
Break water ice into hydrogen and oxygen

>>12357212
>:(

>>12357401

>>12357593
Saturn V BTFO

So what happened to Raptor doomers? Did you guys neck yourselves?

>>12357435
Haha, no. Starlink is already flying. It already has customers, even if they're currently just beta testers. It has the cheapest ride to space available, made even cheaper because it's launching at-cost.
Even if the entire planned fleet of Kuiper sats was built and waiting to be launched, they wouldn't have an edge over Starlink.

>>12357579
But then you have hydrogen tankage problems again.

>>12357607
>Starlink is real. You’ve seen it up in the sky

>>12357290
https://youtu.be/6lo4dGTrzr8

>>12357593
it's so huge

Is satellite based internet more environment friendly than cable?

>>12357626
based on what

So, more about brachistochrone trajectories and achieving them.
>minimum steady acceleration 0.01g or 0.1m/s^2 for round numbers
>acceleration = thrust/mass
>thrust = 0.1N/kg (wet mass)
This is where it gets crazy difficult, because that thrust has to be applied for your entire trip time. That means stupid high Isp. That in turn means you either need a direct nuclear torch drive like an Orion, mag pellet fusion, or an NSWR, or you need NEP with crazy high specific power (W/g). Fancy modern solar panels have a specific power of about 0.1 in Earth orbit, and of 0.041 in Mars orbit, so you need a nuke. But nuclear electricity generation systems are heavy, often with a specific power of less than 0.001. If you can get a light enough molten salt reactor, then maybe those magnetoplasma thrusters will be enough.

>>12357628
Based on satellites.

>>12356942
> already built historical ships
This is no fun. I'll stick with KSP because it lets me build crazy stuff.
For strategy, we already have HoI.

>>12357069
Not surprising considering my country is poor.

>>12357082
It was not cryo fuel. The first 3 stages are solids. Only the last stage has a bit of fuel.

>>12357069
>>12357069
>>12357076
>>12357082
>>12357134
>>12357143
Government typically don't insure their payload.
The reasoning is that if the insurance company is doing its job correctly, they earn money, which means that for you, the expected value of insuring something is negative.
Why do we still insure stuff then?
1) people don't necessarily reason rationally
2) It's still a good idea if there are risks that are too big for you to absorb. For example, if you have 1000€ and there is a 0.1% risk you lose 2000€.
If that happen, not only you lose your money, but potentially you default on everything else, lose your home, your job, etc. (I'm exaggerating but you see the idea). In that case, it's probably a good idea to pay 3€ to avoid this risk, even if the expected loss is bigger than the one calculated without insurance. That's why car insurance (the kind protecting you from financial damage you do to other) is mandatory in most of the world.

Governments are not in the case 1) and not in the case 2) either.
Not that insuring would change a lot of things for the scientists anyway.

>>12357628
One gets energy from solar but needs high tech manufacturing while the other has big ground infrastructure.

>>12357082
i think when they booked the flight vega still had 100% success rate (vega did also multiple orbits in one launch that is high tier missions)

oooooooooooo

>>12357684
the weld quality on that nosecone looks quite a bit improved

i wonder what "notable changes" elon might be making to starship. i doubt it'd be a huge exterior design change, probably more to do with just the specifications of the vehicle in general

>>12357602
>static fire with THE HONK
>it ate its turbopump! muh 600hz
>no replacement
>dual engine static fire with hellfire diarrhea
>one of them ate its turbopump! muh 600hz
>actually got fragged with shrapnel
It's not looking so good for the narrative right now, they're probably going back to the drawing board

>>12357667
This. NASA also does not insure payloads, hence why Glory was never reflown.

>>12357789
Raptor will be declared a failure and Elon will place orders for BE-4

>>12357602
SPACE IS SUPPOSED TO BE HARD WHY DOES SPACEX HAVE LESS TROUBLE WITH RAPTOR THAN I DO WITH MY FUCKING CHEVY

So what's up with this? I thought Elon hated terraforming?

>>12357794
If it was a deep rooted problem with the raptor design it wouldn't be a quick swap fix. Also the diarrhea was melting concrete because the protective pad cracked under the heat of three raptors

>>12357802
Elon loves terraforming, he's muh nuke mars guy.
Nobody's perfect :^)

>>12357802
Terraforming meme is stupid.
Why go to Mars and terraform? "because what if asteroid strikes earth and we all die".
If we have the tech to terraform a planet, I bet we will have the tech to shoot down asteroids.

It's all Here

https://youtu.be/Ta0bnutAVLc

>>12357806
Terraforming makes sense if you can do it. It'll be easier to live there when you don't need a massive fucking pressure suit to stop you from dying

>>12357805
>>12357806
I like terraforming though, glad to see Elon wants at least one good method of living off Earth (since he doesn't seem too keen on space habitation).

>>12357802
Elon will use destruction of terraforming machines by "earth sponsored terrorists" as justification for war with urf

>>12357811
Not that guy but this shit is so retarded, it will take thousands of years to get to that point. By then we could have skintight ned flanders suits or mars could be ruled by literal space-hardened bugmen for all we know. In the meantime, terraforming will be rendered obsolete because all the whiny babies who actually need an Earthlike environment will have already jumped ship to O'neill cylinders and the like, where you can almost perfectly replicate earth-like conditions and do so over much shorter comparative timescales.

>>12357811
>>12357805
>>12357806
Terraforming only makes sense as a planetary scale vanity project, and for that purpose Venus is much more poetic than Mars. The solution to Mars is paraterraforming.

>>12357818
More like 500-1000 years

>>12357818
Pressure suits would get relatively old, and once you have children on your colony, who will grow out of these suits, (not to even mention babies) Things would get difficult.

Also planets contain massive amounts of minerals; if you can terraform any planet anywhere, you get easy access to those materials, instead of letting the massive ball of rock just float there uselessly

rapidly reusable densified propalox heavy lift rocket booster spaceplanes please

>>12357840
>once you have children on your colony
tfw Mars is pathogen-free. It is absolutely perfect in its current state.
No cancerous life forms will be allowed to proliferate there, be it bacteria, roaches, or 80 kg apes. Whatever humans send will be dead in a short time.
And this is a good thing considering the living hell that is Earth.

>>12357870
kill yourself first

>>12357800
>THAN I DO WITH MY FUCKING CHEVY

In this case even Boeing has usually less trouble.

>>12357811
This, and if we assume that Mars will be autonomous at that point, it will be Martians' call.
I think they will prefer living on a terraformed planet (except some masochists, hippies and retarded boomer "back in my day you'd die when going outside"-type).
Telling people living there since centuries that O'neil cylinders exist is irrelevant.

>>12357818
>Zeonfag is back
pls go

We will paraterraform Mars

>>12357870
Kill yourself

>>12357877
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>12357870
kill yourself, because you are ngmi

are there any other based blogs like sattrackcam.blogspot.com?

is elon the omnissiah?

>>12357870
get in

>>12357840
>Also planets contain massive amounts of minerals; if you can terraform any planet anywhere, you get easy access to those materials, instead of letting the massive ball of rock just float there uselessly
I don't know what the fuck you think you're trying to say here. That terraforming makes it easier to access minerals? That's fucking retarded. It's a giant airless rock with all of its mineral wealth exposed. The last thing you want to do as someone utilizing those resources is to cover them with a giant saltwater ocean and biosphere and throw on a pea-soup thick atmosphere which just obstructs rocketry.

>>12357892
Yeah but it’ll be way nicer to live in

>>12357122
And then in the end it was caused by some baguette or pasta who switched two cables.

>>12357894
It doesn't matter because its value as a source of industrial and raw resource wealth vastly outstrips its value as a resort. People who give a shit about nice places to live won't live on planets at all, they'll live in stations. It's easier and faster to put the equivalent of Mars' entire surface area in orbit using its own resources than it is to terraform the surface, and still leaves you with plenty of resources planetside to keep pumping out stations.

>>12357435
What are they gonna launch it on? New Shepard?

>>12357910
Space stations suck ass. Mars domes now!

>>12357922
>no argument
>domes imply unterraformed surface
Glad you agree with me, anon.

>>12357435
>One of the key individuals behind this project was at SpaceX when all the *really* hard problems...
were unsolved and going too slow, and was thrown out along with everyone else on the project so that Musk could make a new team which ended up actually constructing the Starlink we know today.

>>12357884
>>12357880
>>12357873
What is the point of thinking about colonising Mars, giving the hostile environment, when you are fucking unable to live on Earth, which is a bigger planet, where food grows out of the soil.

You spend your time fighting each other, exploiting each other, and jewing each other. Mein nggers, this is not compatible with reason.
You better have this sorted out before infecting another planet.

>>12357941
>100_reasons_to_go_to_mars.jpg

>>12357941
Because it's a fucking symbol.
It's a turning point that humanity needs to reach.
it's not about whether we can live on mars. It's about if WE CAN REACH MARS.

>>12357941
Life isn't a videogame where you can only do one thing at a time, there are billions of people, working on millions of different things, you can't stop people from going to space.

>>12357926
Build more and more domes until the whole world is covered.

>>12357991
I have no problem with that, I don't think it's going to happen because population density will concentrate in some areas and be quite low in others just like on Earth, but from a technical perspective it's not broken from the fundamentals up like traditional terraforming is.

>>12357999
High population density causes brainrot and conflict.

>>12357941
>What is the point of thinking about colonising Mars, giving the hostile environment

It’s cool. The hostile environment is a big part of the appeal.

> You spend your time fighting each other, exploiting each other, and jewing each other.

Yeah it’s awesome. Let’s do it on Mars next!

>>12358002
Another non-argument. Not liking the way things work doesn't mean they're going to stop working that way.

>>12357969
What was being discussed in this thread was colonization and terraforming.
Milestones are ofc worth pursuing.

>>12358009
>Another non-argument

Not everything is an argument autismo

>>12357192
brainlet

>>12357971
>you can't stop people from going to space
The space itself stops people with its harsh conditions. Unless you are above a certain technical and scientific threshold, you won't be allowed in.

Now the question remains, is this science compatible with being fucking animals? I don't think so.

Imagine an astronaut on board the ISS goes nuts, suddenly believes there is not enough oxygen/food/whatever for everybody, and kills everyone else on board.

Now imagine this going on at a hypothetical Martian dome.
Imagine colonists fighting each other on the fears that there are not enough spacesuits for everyone. Which ofc WILL happen the moment a certain number of children are born.

See? This shit will only happen faster in such a constrained environment. If it already happens on Earth, which is enormous and can sustain a lot of people, imagine in Mars.

12358025
>I’m retarded haha lol

>>12358023
>t. JWST developer

>>12358025
>average person is not a murderer
>early colonists will have a higher standard of conduct and be even less likely to be a murderer than the average person
>therefore they will all kill each other

>>12358036
>early colonists will have a higher standard of conduct
Good luck with that. Such a moral framework would have been indoctrinated in them by means of education.
Education is futile because it is not carried into the DNA. It is not sustainable in time. History tell us that people change moral rules as they see fit.
Instead the animal programming is ingrained into every person by default.

Sooner or later a new child will be born that will try to impose his animalistic agenda over everyone else.

And this is why you don't colonize other planets unless you have evolved as a especies. By that point they might have physically altered their bodies to live longer, or not require food, or be able to endure radiation or decompression.

>>12358112
Who the fuck cares? By the time the first children are born and grown there will be far too many colonists for murder to significantly effect population growth or continued operation. I don't give a shit that people will keep being people, that's a good thing.

>>12358112
>Unironically wanting to engineer docile bugpeople

I’ll bash your head in with a rock

>>12358123
>What is behavioral sink
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink

>>12357806
It really doesn't.
All you need to terraform mars is some orbital mirrors to melt the poles.
That doesn't help with asteroids at all.

>>12358149
>muh wiki page
Not an argument.
>nooo not everything is an argument! AUTISM!
Then it's just pointless instead.

Oh no
>Kendra Horn eyes space role in Biden administration
https://spacenews.com/horn-eyes-space-role-in-biden-administration/
>Rep. Kendra Horn, House space subcommittee chair, says she is “absolutely open” to serving in the Biden administration, including at NASA. She’s pessimistic, though, that Congress will pass a NASA authorization bill this year.

>FAA clears the Boeing 737 Max to fly again

>>12358152
>All you need
that part, is a little dramatic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPvvHlRh_Oc

Russian EVA 47 about to start.

>>12358167
Well she introduced that bill herself, someone pro-Artemis wouldn't be bad.

>>12358152
You could release all the CO2 on Mars and it would still be orders of magnitude short of what you need for terraforming, which is a good thing because 1. fuck terraforming and 2. it means I don't have to worry about muh co2 when turning Mars into the industrial hellplanet it should be

>>12358184
>industrial hellplanet
What about the under-ground microbes?
Planetary Protection Officer will stop you anon

>>12358187
The microbes get colonies too, so we can observe them, take their genes, and learn their ways.

>>12358171
>reposition anntena
boring

>>12358206
Well, it's the ISS. If you were expecting them to fight off space invaders, you're shit out of luck.

>>12358209
>ywn see the valiant defense of the ISS during the start of the Sino-Deimian war

>>12358214
>Relativistic kill vehicle the ayys
Nothing personel, kid

>>12358112
I think applicant screening would be enough of an eugenic system to eliminate any need for some kind of CRISPR lobotomy

>>12358177
>Horn is perhaps best known for introducing a NASA authorization bill in January that was critical of some aspects of the agency’s Artemis program, such as its use of public-private partnerships for developing human lunar landers.

>>12358184
Not if I bring out the BRAP queens

>>12357568
Yup. In fact, because of this, coal plant smokestack emissions release more radioactivity than nukes do.

>>12358283
Uranium is largely harmless, since it’s half life is so long.

>>12357614
>yes

>>12358354
what a fucking chad

>>12358354
What's that switchboard thing next to the mint thing?

>>12358394
Probably one of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_switchboard

>>12358354
>>12358373
God damn watch this. I timestamped it but I suggest the whole video for viewing if you are interested. The part I timestamped shows an ex-nazi's doomer view of spaceflight, juxtaposed then by Von Braun's absolutely CHAD response
Also they called the area where the Nazi's lived in huntsville "hunsville" lmao

>>12358410
Forgot to link it god dammit
https://youtu.be/yXLPlIzyGlY?t=240

>>12358411
>Playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner.
y tho

>>12358418
Yeah I know, I don't understand why people disable it when uploading videos. Go to the 4:00 mark exactly

It's fun to watch space debris being made

Are the cosmonauts finally coming out?

>>12358423
They've been out and about for a bit. Spacewalks are generally slow affairs though.

>>12358354
What were the black and white checkboard patterns for?

>>12358432
Supposedly to make it easier for ground cameras to track the vehicle and its orientation.

>>12358432
Camera tracking.

>>12358432
To boil off more propellent.

>>12358432
to play boardgames on EVA

>>12358432
In the early stages it was to allow the cameras to more easily track the vehicle during its ascent due to their generally poor quality and capabilities, but eventually that became a non-issue and they just stuck with the color scheme because they liked it.

>>12357602
They stopped saying that meme, because it isn’t funny anymore. Move on homie

>>12358410
>>12358411
>you can get the same scientific data from space using probes rather than manned missions
This might be true decades ago when the most in-depth scientific data that gathered was some images and a temperature scan. However probes are terrible for more detailed exploration. It took Curiosity over six years to travel 12.5 miles on Mars. Apollo 17 traveled 22.3 miles in four and a half hours. This represents how slow robotic missions are with respect to manned missions, and how much robotic dependence slows down scientific progress.

There is also the issue that dependence on robotic missions is a trap for the spaceflight industry. Probes are advertised as being superior because they are smaller and cheaper than manned missions. However if probes are the primary payload for the industry, then it'll shape itself to suit those payloads. The result is an industry that is too anemic to carry on anything more significant than probes. Thus the industry will never be fully realized with probes alone.

>>12358458
>you can get the same scientific data from space using probes rather than manned missions

Who even cares? Scientific data without practical human application is absolutely worthless dogshit time wasting. Either send people there, conduct robotic exploration to facilitate future human exploration, or don't bother

>>12357502
Falcon 9 actually has better wet-dry mass fractions than Atlas 5, because isogrid is only slightly lighter than stringers, and Falcon 9 uses much lighter (everything else).

Whats your favorite hypergolic propellant?

>>12357561
>helium 3, but in really shit concentration (think harvesting back yard topsoil for thorium bad)
Much worse than backyard thorium, actually. There's more gold in a liter of sea water than there is He-3 in a cubic meter of lunar regolith

>>12358458
Yeah Von Braun's rebuttle is based.
>Can we survive? Oh, oh I think mankind is a sturdy breed.
You don't think we will have to escape to Mars one day?
>No I prefer to look at it the other way- I think spaceflight gives mankind, for the first time, a chance to become immortal

>>12357629
The reactor mass isn't the limiting factor for W/kg numbers in space based nuclear powered systems, it's actually the mass of the heat engine that makes the electricity, and the fact that the more efficient your heat engine the larger your radiator panels need to be.

>>12357887
He will be when Neurolink comes to fruition

>>12358477
Azides.
When they will eventually be housetrained.

>>12358477
What counts as "hypergolic"? Is it a specific term chemists use for a type of bond or something; I've never really thought about it. Idk if a tripropellant "counts" as an answer to your question, but pic related is the most based thing ever attempted

>>12357910
I did the math, you can replicate the entire surface area of Earth including oceans inside rotating space habitats that use a total mass roughly equal to 40% of the mass of Phobos.

>>12358504
Hypergolic means instantly combusts upon contact with the other chemical.

>>12358508
Okay that's what I thought. I was just overthinking it lmao. I guess that's why they used it on the return stage for the lunar lander; instant combustion means reliability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmTQxFHAChw

spesswolk

>>12358524
NASA link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg (no retard chat)

>>12358513
>instant combustion means reliability
Exactly.
Iirc, when ClF3 was being tested as an oxidizer in rockets engines, it actually ran very nicely.

>>12358507
And it's trivial to replicate all of the conditions of Earth (or whatever you want) on those. There's no comparison, a t*rraformed planet is a disgusting mutated halfassed facsimile with 0.largenumberofzeroes1 of the habitable area for a given input that is doesn't measure up by any measure be it time, money, effort, etc. compared to using those worlds as pure bases of productivity.

>>12358546
Nice, I also assume that's why the Chinese go with it. It's deadly but gets the job done. And yes ClF3 is insane. It can catch ash on fire which has already combusted

>>12358458
To be fair, robotic exploration of the near side of the moon should go pretty well because it's only a couple seconds of ping time and doesn't need to be scripted out a foot at a time a day in advance.
If Elon shoots something at the moon that needs a "mass simulator", it should be a Cybertruck with solar panels. The crane to lower it would probably already be part of the mission.

>>12358477
Has to be pentaborane+N2O4

>>12358566
>should go pretty well
>should
50 years ago we had a manned rover that could go over 10mph and probably do donuts on the surface, how have unmanned rovers on the surface stacked up since then? There's no comparison.

>>12356802
The cyberpunk future will soon be upon us.

Boeing will launch a drone with a mini-nuke to take out Elon, accidentally hit a school instead (causing a small fire), and Elon will respond with a surgical ninja strike to take out all the Boeing top management.

>>12358554
Stations are gay. Planets are cooler

>literally everyone with a brain has said forever they need a trench
>Elon says no
>concert fire show EVERY test fire
>"this is fine"
>finally almost fucks SN8 for good and we're still only at 3 engines
What's the endgame here?

>>12358575
To be fair we probably have the tech to send autonomous rovers to solar system bodies (especially the moon) which could run some AI software and go fast and do a lot of science. The problem is though that the cost/kg hasn’t gone down. So when it costs you multiple millions of dollars to get a complex rover somewhere, you’re gonna want to design it to go slow as fuck so nothing breaks. Thus no room for risks or improvements. By the time cost/kg gets super low you might as well send humans there anyways. Maybe starship will open the door for super cheap, super fast rovers on bodies that humans can’t go to though, like mercury or venus or something

>>12358575
>how have unmanned rovers on the surface stacked up since then?
They've "stacked" up because the few times since 2000 that I can remember anyone bothering, they botched the landing. Or they were going for the far side.

>>12358566
Rovers are fucking dumb stop trying to defend them

>>12358599
I'm not defending rovers, I'm defending awesome RC vehicles on the moon that you can get radical with.

>>12358595
I think elon just wants to prove trenchfags wrong at this point. In all seriousness though, building a trench would slow things down, cost a lot, require maintenance, etc. On top of that, starship isn’t going to have a trench on Mars.

>>12358594
If you like other planets, don't go there and then bitch that they aren't earth.

Hey guys I dont know what to do with my space program so im just gonna launch climate satellites. Gotta fix all our problems down here before we go up there right hahaha

>>12358602
If not a trench then maybe a pool? May be cheaper and easier to build, and water can disperse the energy safely

>>12358602
>starship isn’t going to have a trench on Mars.
Yeah but like... what the fuck are they going to do about that? HLS moonship has engines up top so problem solved. But the regular starship is going to have to deal with rocks at some point. I don't think you're going to want to lift EVERY starship up on Mars after landing and build a water-cooled steel pipe system. Idk how elon will reconcile this but we will see. Maybe he will just add a fuckton of steel and kevlar to the bottom (but your Raptors are still exposed and you don't want shards flying through your engine bells when you need them to land back on Earth so idk)

>>12358611
>Yeah but like... what the fuck are they going to do about that?
Bring a shovel?

>Mars "colonization"

>>12358609
Based. As long as you let Elon keep doing his thing, you can turn NASA into a carbon watcher company. IDGAF. No malarkey here grandpa Joe!

>>12358609
>NOT MY PRESIDENT!

>>12358612
Hmm. What about the automated cargo delivery? Maybe /sfg/ can design an autonomous rock sweeper robot that gets deployed with every starship and clears whatever debris hasn't been blown the fuck out by the engines

>>12358611
>armor everything underneath
>armor the sides of the bells too
>rocket propellant pushes away anything coming straight into the bell (i think? idk)

>>12358616
I'm Austrailian so he is literally not my president I just like space

>>12358602
Spacex are only a couple engines in and shit breaks every time. Testing in an optimal environment and making sure your shit actually works should come first, no?

I'm still skeptical about not having infrastructure on Mars too but that's far down the line.

>>12358622
>just armor your rocket bro
We're talking about real world space flight and not Star Wars capital ships.

>>12358622
Why not send a satellite at low Martian orbit to take pics and find a basalt plain or something very flat first?

>>12358637
this post was written by SLS hands

>>12358617
>What about the automated cargo delivery?
What about it? If they don't need to take off again once they're on the surface, then no trench needed right?

>>12358632
So? We're also talking about rock debris, not hypervelocity projectiles. Armoring is literally the solution they're already doing, I'm just projecting that out to the final product.

Wait a minute I just found something out; SLS is flying with a DCSS. The upper stage from Delta III. LMAO

>>12358625
that's what the testing at mcgregor is for

>>12358654
It had a 100% fail rate on Delta III. Fly safe!

this looks as annoying and uncomfortable as the battery replacements were

>>12358648

>All those exposed wires, cables and pipes.
>Solar panels all weirdly alligned.
>Random stuff protruding/sticking out of the modules.

The Russian ISS section is pure SOVL.

>>12358653
Yes and we're also talking about a relatively fragile explosive machine where weight is at a premium. Rock debris doesn't have to be shot out of a railgun to be dangerous.

>>12358654
And because of that pissant upper, the Big Orange Tank is taken most of the way to GTO.

>>12358664
don't get tangled now!

>>12358672
At least the advanced boosters for Block 2 look cool. I mean they are gay but I want to see them fly just out of curiosity. Gonna have to wait 20 years though, assuming it even leaves the design board

>>12358658
>>12358654

The RUD will be absolutely glorious.

>>12358668
>weight is at a premium
oh no Starship might have 140 tons of payload instead of 150 guess mars is cancelled

>>12358676
God damn. Calling ghetto station, how do you read?

Those poor bastards right now

>>12358682
>cyka bylat I am stuck Dmitry
>cyka cyka I am stuck as well

>>12358682
How the fuck has NASA certified ANY russian hardware to dock with US stuff? It looks like the other side of the train tracks

>aborting spacewalk because they can't get a box to open
SERGEYS

>>12358690
some fucked bolt on the airtight container

>>12358668
This >>12358680 except it would really be less than a hundred extra pounds of stainless, even less if you substituted something like kevlar in places

>>12356789
So.
What everyone feared happened.
Exhaust fucking threw debris into the engine.
That's why you usually have flame trenches under rockets.
Now, someone tell me: What will happen when they try to come back from Mars, when the vehicle is much closer to the ground?

>>12357941
Terraforming is the ultimate chad move. You're making an entire planet your bitch; forcing it to submit to your whim just because you can't be arsed to put on a pressure suit.
Vs. the virgin spacesuiter that has to wear a gay bulky suit

If you dream of space exploration you're a traitor to the human race
>yearly NASA budget alone is around 40 billion USD
>globally more than 200 billion is wasted on space exploration every year
>that's less than what the west spends on aid to developing countries
>ensuring that no child starves to death would only cost 30 billion

Escapism is the most dangerous of all ideologies. The manchild dream of leaving our planet behind is what lets people rationalize destroying the Earth and ignoring the plight of the third world.
The super rich and their chosen followers escaping a ruined planet is starting to become a real danger. If we don't act now it might be too late. They're already lobbying for stealing more tax money the public desperately needs to fund their way out.
And no, they won't take you with them, /sci/.

>>12358697
t. virgin t*rraformer that can't stomach a planet that isn't urf

Does Mars need carpenters? That's the only thing I know how to do but I'm good at it.

>>12358696
>What will happen when they try to come back from Mars, when the vehicle is much closer to the ground?
They will be prepared because they tested under these conditions instead of listening to trenchcels?

>>12358698
>look mom I posted it again
you and everyone who responds to you should be banned

>>12358698
Read it and weep lefty
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-report-details-how-agency-significantly-benefits-us-economy

>>12358699
>nooo you cant just turn this dead useless rock into somewhere you live and actually use
>muh pristine marsarino!!!

>>12358696
Dig a trench on Mars. I have now solved your ship-shredding problem, hire me Elon I'm ready.

>>12358702
Look, I'm just wondering if the first martians will have to spend their whole stay digging uneder the rocket.

>>12358707
>useless rock
The rock is the useful part, dumbass

>>12358698
>40 billion USD
Try half.
Your kind is also harping on about there being too many people, why the fuck are you trying to feed the poor? That shit only leads to more poor people to feed.

>>12358707
This anon is so self-conscious he'd rather wait a geologic epoch to terraform a planet and resort to low effort memes vs. just putting on a comfy spacesuit lmao

12358698
This bait is a repost and appeared in previous threats. Report and ignore.

>>12358575
>50 years ago we had a manned rover that could go over 10mph and probably do donuts on the surface
Not probably. Absolutely

>>12358696
divert your opinion right up your ass, we're adding more steel shielding and there's nothing you can do about it :)

>>12358709
Hey, can you run a boring machine at surface-level? Not underground, just digging half a tunnel with the top exposed, a trench. If Elon wants to bring a boring machine maybe it could work?

>>12358708
>Dig hole under your only way back.
>Ground gives in
There's nothing safe about that.

>>12358697
Damn I want to explore the ocean but I hate having to wear diving gear! Better terraform the whole damn thing and concert it to a breathable liquid because I hate the idea of being constrained to a suit!

>>12358725
>>Ground gives in
How? It's a trench, you just dig it. I'm genuinely struggling to see what your objection is.

>>12358709
But that's the point. They don't have to do that if you actually solve the debris issues on earth first.
Also just to point out, if they are in an area covered in regolith, that's actually better conditions than they're testing in right now. It's the difference between being blasted with very fine sand for a few seconds vs. being pelted with rocks.

>>12358723
That would be so gay, at least for the first few flights. Talk about over kill. Plus the upper surface is mostly duststone rock that isn't too hard and a whole lotta dust so a boring co machine would just be running through sand

>>12358723
What I'm trying to tell you is we might have to re-think this whole Mars thing.
Yes firing engines close to ground worked on Apollo.
But this raises a lot of emergency flags for me.

>>12358733
Try this.
Park your car and dig bellow it.
Good luck.

>>12358739
>I have a minor easily approachable problem but it hasn't technically been addressed yet because it's not a concern yet, MISSION OVER GO HOME
I hate you fucks so much.

>>12358733
>"Extra precautions? Contingency plans? What do you mean? It's just soil, soil is soil, probe digs in, sensors read out - simple!"

>>12358739
Oh come on

>>12358742
What's your solution, Elon Musk?

>>12358739
t. micropenis

>>12358750
The same thing I've been doing, slap stainless on anything that explodes.

>>12358751
If you're fine with the risk, ok.
But how do you measure it?

>>12358755
Based

>>12358750
This >>12358755 and >>12358733

>>12358755
You understand slapping a steel sheet below the engines will prevent them from providing thrust?

>>12358698
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/

>>12358733
Is this /sfg/ or Elon cock sucker general?

>>12358761
you realize the mach 20 exhaust gasses are probably going to stop rocks going up the bell, right

>>12358766
/sfg/ was literally born as starship watching general you troglodyte

>>12358761
merlin can survive nuts being thrown in the turbopumps, raptor will be a BEAST

>>12358771
Well, that's not what happened, is it?

>>12358761
>slapping a steel sheet below the engines will prevent them from providing thrust?

huh? fucking how?

>>12358766
Both.

>>12358766
wow, homophobe?

>>12358774
So you say, without any knowledge.
Stop sucking Elon's dick and look at the problem.

>>12358775
Are you actually fucking retarded? You don't have to armor the exit of the bell. You have to armor shit like fuel pipes and avionics cables. That does not "prevent the engine from providing thrust". Why are you trolling so weakly?

>>12358780
? which problem

>>12358776
Science.

>>12358761
You understand that you can armor an engine without blocking the nozzle?

>>12358780
says the actual fucking retard who thinks you need to armor the inside of the engine bell

>>12358741
Okay? Now my car is parked over a hole that extends out the back end.
A trench doesn't have to be so wide you fall into it anon.

>>12358781
And you don't see why it's a problem?
Going by your logic, we might as well throw fucking tanks at Mars.

>>12358780
>sucking Elon's dick
You seem to be obsessed with this idea, is there something you're not telling us?

>>12358786
You don't "armor" an engine.
The game is, you don't throw shit at it.>>12358789

>>12358766
Don't quote me for your shitpost faggot.

>>12358792
No, I don't see why it's a problem, and you keep dancing around it because you can't explain it either. If Elon slapped literally ten tons worth of quarter inch steel plate under Starship, it would still be a 100+ ton launch vehicle. I don't think you have any clue what the scale of the rocket is.

>>12358789
What do you know, the front left tire was on unstable ground.
It gives in under the weight and your car is tilted.
Are you all fucking retarded?

>>12358792
>Going by your logic, we might as well throw fucking tanks at Mars.
Based

>>12358795
>You don't "armor" an engine.
Why not? Engines have been armored since at least WW2

>>12358795
Elon is armoring the engines. Fucking deal with it faggot. If you don't like it, design your own rocket. To armor the entire bottom of Starship with a 1cm thick sheet of hardened steel would be less than 15 tons.

>>12358799
Look, try this.
Make a rocket in KSP and strap things under the engine.
Notice how it doesn't lift?
Am I talking to kids?

>>12358802
>>12358806
I think /tv/ is more your speed, anon.

>>12358806
Please circle the parts on this picture you think thrust comes out of, and in a different color circle the parts that can be damaged by flying debris. I suspect you don't actually know which end the thrust comes out of if you're making this argument.

>>12358806
No one is saying to put metal sheets under the engine.

>>12358806
See >>12358786

>>12357069
Why?
>>12357640
Doesn't matter. Countries aren't private players and getting rescued all the time. Not an argument.

>>12358811
This. Why are some posters so hellbent on turning every board into /tv/?

You know, you keep sucking dicks, and I watch people die on Mars.

>>12358821
>waaah

>>12358812
>F-1
Funny that you chose that since the F-1s that flew were covered in a thermal protection wrap. Seemed to have produced thrust just fine.

>>12358821
>I can't stop thinking about sucking dicks

>>12358821
if people arent dying on mars, we've failed

>>12358834
Not from fucking flying rocks you retard

>aborted spacewalk task
Besonauts would have stayed until the job was done

>>12358654
The ICPS is actually using the tank diameter of the D-IVH, not the D-III. It’s basically the same stage, but the larger diameter DCSS has a perfect record as far as I know.

>>12358868
>Besonauts
More like groundnauts amirite

>>12358863
Then replace the asbestos and foil wrap to reasonably thick steel. Different kind of protection, but the engine would still work.

>>12358837
This. Literally. If we've come to the point where there are people dying on Mars, then we've succeeded as a species. I'd rather we die on not just mars, but on another planet in another solar system as well, but that's just wishful thinking on my part.

>>12358888
We choose to die on the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy but because I am hard.

>>12358903
Fucking moonies and their latent necrophilia

>>12358701
Just think of all the virgin lumber you'll be working with in the New World.
Oh wait, wrong century, it's fucking Mars, there's no wood there!
>>12358876
More like "yoyonauts"...except there haven't been any yet!

>>12358951
>Oh wait, wrong century, it's fucking Mars, there's no wood there!

Bring trees

So they didnt use the trunkspace for demo-2, and now for crew-1 it was empty too.
Why? seems like a waste.

>>12358985
Margins. Optimizations can happen later when vehicle operations are more stable.

>>12358985
NASA probably demands they don't to have an extra margin for errors.
But when they fly cargo only, they don't have 4 people to consider and can pack it to the brim.

>>12358985
I wonder what all they can fit in there? Spare parts? Small modules? Boxes of snacks?
Pic related kinda worked, though not well.

>SpaceX 2/4 for 1 launch a week november
Think they can pull it out? final 2 are 21st and 22nd, so they have time for weather scrubs.

>>12358990
>>12358994
>>12358997
Falcon 9 can lift like 15 tons to LEO in reusable mode, dragon2 is 9,5 tons.
Bob&doug were 2.5 tons each, but with crew1 they can fit some stuff in the trunk easy.

>>12359012
You think we don't know? This is NASA we're talking about, the agency that said "just ditch the entire payload" when SpaceX asked if they should relight it again when one out nine engines had a misfire and the original insertion wasn't entirely up to snuff. Relighting was completely possible and the insertion could have been done with zero deviation.

But NASA opted to just let the entire fucking cargo capsule burn, contents and all.

>>12359017
what cargo mission are you talking about?

>>12358410
Must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLlVTsej-FQ

>>12359025
He's talking about CRS-1, and the capsule deployed correctly and completed its mission (IIRC its currently hanging in SpaceX Headquarters behind their mission control room). This was way back when SpaceX was still using the Merlin 1C engine. One of the engines ruptured its powerhead and shut down in flight, the other 8 kept going. The second stage made it to orbit, albeit slightly lower than intended. Nasa was anal-retentive about their saftey rules as executing the boost to drop off the second payload was running the risk (95% success instead of >99% success) of the second stage interfering with the station due to lowered fuel margins.

>>12359025
"CRS-1 was successful, but the secondary payload was inserted into abnormally low orbit and subsequently lost. This was due to one of the nine Merlin engines shutting down during the launch, and as per ISS visiting vehicle safety rules, the primary payload owner, NASA, was contractually allowed to decline a second reignition."

>>12358812

>>12359065
Based

How do we get more people to like spaceflight? Seems like the general population is aggressively apathetic to it even compared to other industries that most people don't really think about.

>>12358625
>only a couple engines in
They've made over 40 raptors, they don't break every time.
>Testing in an optimal environment and making sure your shit actually works should come first, no?
That's what the years of R&D and hours of time on testing stands is for. Now that they have a lot of it done, they are actually using them to fly prototypes. Now when something goes wrong in a real use environment, they can address it. If it works perfectly on a test stand, it can still fail in the air - which is what they are testing at this point.

>>12359065
t.

>>12359096
Have westerners get their Thymos back

>>12359096
Drone-strike people at random from orbit.

>>12359096
To defeat the coomer we must think like one.
Force the female astronauts to get an onlyfans for space awareness

>>12359096
Depends. For me, it needs lowering the standards that are applied at the current time.
And just to make my point clear, I am going to write applications left and right from now on.

>>12359096
Honestly, I think the general public has been behind SpaceX since the falcon heavy launch. As SpaceX accomplishes more, people will get more interested. The apathy comes from the utter lack of any interesting accomplishments and won't go away until people start getting shit done.

>>12359123
Yeah but division within the country has been trying their hardest to character assassinate Musk for a while now. Whether its conservatives who hate electric vehicles, liberals who hate people speaking against government, old mildef companies propaganda machines, stock market manipulators, direct competitors who own newspaper, yellow journalism, etc.

>>12359123
Tom Cruise might spark interest unironically.

Recent debate between Zubrin and an O'Neill cuck.
https://youtu.be/J5gyLjQEpM

wtf is this guy smoking tho? he argues that being on a planet rich/diverse in resources is a disadvantage because it's harder to mine??

>>12359144
Vid unavailable, I think you linked it wrong or something

>>12359144
>>12359156
whoops, chopped off the end somehow
https://youtu.be/J5gyLjQEpMs

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1329102718988922883
Anti-terraforming bros...

>>12359173
>Terraformed like earth
How and to what degree of earth's likeness?

>>12359173
fuck fuck fuck nooooo elon, we must keep mars pristine nooooooooo

>>12359139
Musk will just have to drag America into the new age kicking and screaming. No matter how much the """"party of science"""" refuses to accept that science justifies itself.

>>12359173
>shreklikethatsevergonnahappen.jpg

>>12359173
AHA!

>>12359173
What's the best way to generate an atmosphere? We need more of that there.

>>12359173
let the man have ambition
we liked JFK and Edison and Jefferson for having ambition

>>12359162
This dude legit says sending colonists to Mars is unethical because it's not safe.
>Fuck guys you CANNOT go to America. It's unethical to let people freely decide their own destiny

>>12359194
find a place that has too much atmosphere and fire it across the solar system to Mars

>SpaceX's market share increased rapidly. In 2016, SpaceX had 30% global market share for newly awarded commercial launch contracts, in 2017 the market share reached 45%, and 65% in 2018.
How can anyone event compete?

>>12359162
>building apartments in an O'Neill colony costs less than the cost to build them in Manhattan
>O'Neill proves the economic and engineering viability in the 70s
This fella is something else

>>12359194
Nuke it

>>12359202
Venus doesn't need all that atmosphere, does it? Shit, two birds with one stone there anon.

>>12359205
>In the first quarter of 2020, SpaceX launched over 61,000 kg (134,000 lb) of payload mass to orbit while all Chinese, European, and Russian launchers placed approximately 21,000 kg (46,000 lb), 16,000 kg (35,000 lb) and 13,000 kg (29,000 lb) in orbit, respectively
IT JUST KEEPS GOING

>>12359205
SpaceX in S&P500 when

>>12359173
Postponed =/= cancelled.

>>12359194
You could bake it out of martian rock, but that would take a lot of energy.
Alternatively if you also transforming venus, you can probably do this >>12359202, venus has about 3.5 earth atompsheres worth of Nitrogen

>>12359217
Never ever.

>>12359217
2050 after Elon relocates to Mars and puts Gwyne in charge.

>>12359217
Elon would never do that unless he got the same guarantees Zuck did when Facebook went public.
Forever in charge, can't be forced out, etc.

>>12359205
they can't. Nobody is anywhere past the concept phase on a reusable rocket and Musk is already actively testing the next generation. By the time literally any other rocket developer on Earth has gotten out of the design phase for a reusable booster, SpaceX will have productionalized Starship and the new era will be upon us. Except BO but who knows what the fuck they're doing.

>>12359217
Never, I hope. Public traded companies have too many backseat drivers to keep happy; it wastes too much time and money.

>>12359232
lol BO. I listened to a private talk by an insider last year who told me
>you just watch in the next few months, BO has some great stuff in the works
and what did we get? one unmanned New Shepard launch aaaaaand a mockup.

>>12359221
Man, would a fleet of cyclers running compressed atmosphere from Venus to Mars even look like? Is such a project even conceivable to do in anything other than geologic timescales?

>>12359242
Atmospheres wouldn't take too long as they're not to heavy, but the corollary to that is you're probably not getting deep oceans on mars.

>>12359246
Are there no really low spots that would fill in over time? No big loss, super-deep oceans are gay anyway. 'Oh look at me, I have miles and miles of empty abyss between thermal vents stuffed with faggy shrimp and tubeworms'. Fuck Urf and fuck the sea.

>>12359253
You would have some lakes and shallow seas, but no big oceans, but that doesn't seem to bother you

>>12359246
>>12359253
Just crash Ceres into Mars

>>12359257
Shallow seas/lakes are cool. I wonder what kind of life we could introduce to those environments? I bet brine shrimp and triops would thrive there under the right conditions.
>>12359258
What do you wanna do while it's cooling down? Play cards for a few centuries?

>>12359258
>putting in all the energy to move a drawf planet
>losing a lot of mass in a collision if you go to fast
>waiting eons if you want to go slow
>ceres isn't even that big anyway

>>12359261
>what kind of life we could introduce to those environments
The genetically modified kind, you don't want to spend the effort trying to get all of the perchlorate salts out of the martian soil, even if you're only going down about a meter or so.
>while it's cooling down?
This is similar to the problem of trying to get mars to have large oceans, even if you were bringing in water quickly the planet would inundated with constant rain for centuries.

>>12359096
we need more people like based Hadfield to do stuff like this. Even normies liked it.

>>12359270
>the planet would inundated with constant rain for centuries.
sounds comfy

>>12359173
Told you guys terraforming is a chad move.

>>12359281
When I say inundated, I mean it literally, much of the planet would be flooded once underway.