/sci/ - Science & Math

Reminder that SLS will reach orbit before Starship

>>12329163
And Starship will a have it's 5th flight to the moon before the SLS had it's 2nd.

Starship will cause so many startups to be created.

Star Ship will also embarrass the Biden Admin who wants to focus on homowarming.

ALPACA is cute!
Cute!

>>12329163
>mfw your bait is completely useless since biden basically ensured the opposite would happen

YOU GOT SOME OF THEM JOBS?

SLS will NEVER be my rocket. Not my rocket.

Post your roaring '20s timeline

>Artemis postponed to '26-'28
>Starship reaches orbit by '24, rapidly reusable by '28
>Non-resuable rockets cease to exist
>SLS cancelled after Artemis 3
>Bezos quits Amazon to work full time of Blue Origin

>>12329187
>Starlink reaches $5 billion annual revenue by subscription numbers in Q2 2023

>>12329196
Starlink IPO when?
I’ve never wanted to invest in a company more but couldn’t

Modern "spaceships" are outdated fucking trash.

How do we take advantage of Flux Transfer Events? If particles can teleport between us and the sun in an instant, then so can we!

>>12329187
>>12329196

Don't forget that every every aerospace engineer student would want to launch a rocket start up like how we had all of those social media startups.

if Musk was based he would make the Falcon 9 & heavy as public domain as possible before hitting ITAR.

>>12329206
Quantum teleportation isn't actually the particle moving in an instant, that's the retarded popsci explanation

>>12329204
Musk says that it'll only happen when the company has a steady revenue stream. On the bright side, he also says that retail investors will get the first go at the IPO.

Reposting from last thread:

Let's have a design challenge /sci/,

How about an unmanned mission to Planet 9? I propose naming the new planet 'Typhon', after the enormous 100-headed monster from Greek mythology that fought the Gods of Olympus in an attempt to overthrow them, and nearly succeeded but was defeated by Zeus and imprisoned inside Mt. Etna (variations of the myth have different endings) where his anger causes the volcano to erupt. Appropriately, Typhon's moons should also be named after assorted monster antagonists of Greek mythology. The myth would actually have an astronomical parallel as Typhon would have formed much closer to the sun but end up flung out to the far edges of the Kuiper belt from an ancient gravitational encounter with Jupiter.

The scenario calls for its hypothetical discovery in the near future. It has a near-circular orbit with a semi-major axis of approximately 500 AU. At this distance, light from the sun takes just under three days to reach it. Just to make it easier to have potential orbiter missions, I would upscale the planet significantly from current estimates to 62 Earth masses and 8 Earth radii, which would make it the fourth largest object in the solar system after the Sun, Jupiter, and Saturn.

Design your ideal Typhon mission and the unmanned probe(s) that would carry it out. It must use existing technology or technology that can be feasibly derived from existing technology. God-tier bonus if you can devise lander probes for Typhon's moons without having any actual data about the moons at all.

I would pitch this to NASA as an exercise just to see how savvy they are. I am well aware that such a mission is highly unlikely to ever be approved even if Typhon turns out to be real.

>>12329240
what if it's a micro black hole?

Well hopefully Crew Dragon launches on Saturday, should make for a fun weekend

>>12329208
We’re gonna have another dot com bubble but for space, which will burst in 2027 when the market gets saturated with smallsat launchers.

>>12329240
>Typhon
>Greek mythology
Lame
Janus is better, and greek naming is garbage

>>12329253
>when the market gets saturated with smallsat launchers
Is it not already saturated?

>>12329253
That's why I say have him make the Falcon 9 & heavy public domain. It eliminates years or decades of R&D.

Releasing that info into public domain wouldn't really effect Musk because his plan is to focus on the Starship.

Everyone would be forced to move to a falcon 9, and when the market gets saturated they move onto super heavy rockets.

Launch costs would go to the core. Eventually people would start offering custom transport for different customers.


If I was the Navy I would offer a seat to Mars with the Space force if one completes a 15-20 year contract. That would shift the DoD's priority from the Middle east to Mars.

>>12329267
>That would shift the DoD's priority from the Middle east to Mars.

Lmao Israel doesn't give less of a fuck about Mars you stupid amerishart.

>>12329282
Jewish colony

>>12329253
Doesn't work when government can just bail out all old space and they will

>>12329288
They already have their colony and are definitely not interested in anything except the land that God "gave" them unless its to infiltrate and subvert burgeoning white settlements before they break free and drop rocks on Israel.

>>12329297

>god created the universe

>We have to have this exact same place or else god don't know where we are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

could have solved the ethnic strife.

>>12329297
>>12329306
Remove jews and this becomes a non-issue
just saying

>>12329231
This isn't quantum teleportation, it's just a massive portal of magnetism, essentially an incredibly condensed segment of space, and particles can travel from one end to the other in a very short span of time. They aren't teleporting at all, it's just that the distance between the earth and the sun has shrunk to the be essentially a few feet or so. It's only a magnetic field though, as far as I know only magnetic particles can travel in this way.

>>12329154
you do realize the 2024 moon landing wasn't happening anyway? Congress never appropriated enough money for it.

>>12329240
You got a really good answer from a different anon in the last thread. I don't know what plasma magnetic sails actually look like- so I couldn't model it. But what I have here is a vehicle making a plane change at Jupiter using an HDLT

>>12329324
Elon probably would have let a few NASA diversitynauts ride along for free so long they kept sorting him out with gibs but now he will be sending only private sector white male chads just to spite them.

>>12329344
Plasma magnet sails are just a big ring of superconductor, either a little bigger or much bigger in diameter than your ship depending on the capability of your power source. The actual "sail" will be invisible.

>>12329344
how would it change science if its a micro black hole like some are say?

God damn I hate liking the same person as these "people" sometimes.

>>12329346
Asian and Indians?

>>12329357
Wouldn't really change anything. It would just be weird. For a black hole it would have to be super small and would probably evaporate quickly I assume

>>12329359
Don't get too tribal about it, it will just get ya down. I love the Astros but I hate astros fans. Just ignore them and like Elon for being the reincarnation of Von Braun

>>12329365
>van Braun d. 1977
>Musk b. 1971
Was there like a ouija board accident or something?

>>12329372
Musk was a nonverbal autistic before he turned 6. Von Braun’s spirit just inhabited the empty space.

>>12329324
OBVIOUSLY 2024 WASNT HAPPENING DUMBFUCK. THE POINT IS YOU MUST SET AMBITIOUS GOALS TO HAVE ANY CHANCE OF EVER ACHIEVING THEM. IF KENNEDY SAID LETS GO TO THE MOON EVENTUALLY, WE WOULD NEVER HAVE FUCKING GONE. MUSK DOES THIS ALL THE TIME, IT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY HIS COMPANIES ACHIEVE WHAT WAS ONCE IMPOSSIBLE

>>12329398
relevant

Why do the raptors keep dying?

>>12329418
It was just their time, anon.

>>12329418
They didn't fell for the reusability meme

>>12329418
God won't let them win.

>>12329431
raptors are birds a prey, like merlins and kestrels

What is your favourite spacecraft?
Mine is the Souyz and Zhenzhou because it's the most space-y looking craft in use, and can function on it's own for almost a month.
+Zhenzhou can detach it's orbital module and dock another zhenzhou into it later, allowing them to leave experiments in the laboratory for a while.

>>12329352
Okay that’s what I thought thanks. I did some googling and found a few photos with what looked like just giant coils so I assumed that’s how it worked. I’ll add it later if plasma magnetic sails come up in the thread in a few days. I want to try to model a lot of /sfg/ ideas, it’s fun to do in my freetime

>>12329435
I dont care what you say I'm still going to think of dinosaurs.

>>12329452
Apollo is the most aesthetic. It easily became my favorite after I saw all the fictional Apollo variants in Eyes Turned Skyward.

>>12329435
>merlins
Huh. I honestly never knew that a Merlin was a type of bird. I assumed it was a reference to the Merlin aircraft engines and/or the wizard.

>>12329470
merlins and kestrels are both falcons

Endeavor, Resilience, how long before we get cool names for space ships?

>>12329476
Yeah, I knew kestrels were a type of bird. I’m just impressed that I’ve never heard merlin used to refer to anything but the Arthurian wizard or the engines.

>>12329486
HMS Point Breaker

>>12329491
>4chan rotates the image for no reason

>>12329486
If I ever get to name a spaceship, I’m calling it the Nostromo.

>>12329487
bird/falcon theme just sorta happened with falcon 1 and stuck. elon likes to play history revisionist and state it refers to the millenium falcon, but that's just gay. he did the same with raptor (bird) vs velociraptor, but at least it works well both ways.

>>12329487
if it helps, you are not alone

>>12329486
Starship Challenger II

>>12329486
you just know they'll all be star wars references

>>12329486
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sailing_frigates_of_the_United_States_Navy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ship_names_of_the_Royal_Navy

not soon enough

>>12329494
When you take photos with a phone in landscape mode it doesn't actually rotate the picture, it just changes the metadata that tells devices which way to orient the photo when viewing it. 4chan strips all metadata from uploaded images for user privacy.

>>12329486
First starship is going to be named Heart of Gold unless Elon has changed his mind.

>>12329486
My luxury yacht starship is going to be christened as Nostalgia for Infinity

>>12329172
>Star Ship will also embarrass the Biden Admin who wants to focus on homowarming.
>the year is 2024
>we can now monitor every glacier on earth for shrinkage in real time to sub-millimetre accuracy
Just how many bloody remote sensing satellites do they really think we need?

>>12329163
>Shuttle debris
>Orbit
Not happening

>>12329589
that's the first crewed mars ship

>>12329398
But it places unnecessary strain on employees and creates toxic work environment for everyone.

>>12329730
>toxic work environment
Expecting government workers to actually meet a deadline may seem toxic to them, but it shouldn’t be.

>>12329730
the Senate has allotted $1 billion to HLS landing systems, about a third of what NASA and the President asked for
this is probably enough for Dynetics and a token Starship payment

the Senate has allotted $1 billion to HLS landing systems, about a third of what NASA and the President asked for
this is probably enough for Dynetics and a token Starship payment

Testing. Testing.

>>12329634
Enough to spy on everyone at all times, I suppose

>>12329175
I love the look of this thing. Way better than National Team's silly ladder holocaust

>>12328924
>kudzu seed bombs
>not eucalyptus bombs

>>12329588
>for user privacy
no it's because we used to hide shit in the metadata

>slag was nominal
>no word on muh 600hz
>only one road closure cancellation
If they don't replace that raptor today you guys have a lot of coping to do

>>12329829
Everything is fine with the raptors, it was the pad that couldn't take the heat from all three firing

>>12329829
I kinda expect them to remove the raptor for an inspection, but that doesn't necessarily indicate that anything went wrong

>>12329730
>deadlines and schedules are 'unnecessary' and 'toxic'
This mentality is why China is going to eat us all alive this century. I'm not saying we should go full retard and imitate their 996 work schedule but holy fuck stop being a bunch of soft pussy faggots, please.

>>12329452
Where's Gaganyaan?

>>12329896
I'm guessing somewhere in the gi tract

>>12329924
Back to /pol/

Gaganyaan is kino.

>>12329935
not until they color it white, then it looks nice

>>12329941
Brown is unique and cool

>>12329935
>Gaganyaan
is that collaboration between Lady Gaga and Nyan cat?

Guys I think SN8 is busted
If only they made a smaller one instead, they could have something flying already

>>12329985
go away Zubrin

>>12329785
Just waiting for some mad genetic engineer to create Bamboocalyptus.

I keep reading SN8' diarrhea from yesterday was just debris from the pad

>>12330045
Seems to be the most likely. I'd think that if it was ice it would just have been vaporized from the heat glow coming off that plume, and if it was the engine itself there would have been no shutoff because that much debris would usually signify an engine explosion. I think the most plausible thing that happened is that it just drilled the landing pad.

>>12329859
>This mentality is why China is going to eat us all alive this century. I'm not saying we should go full retard and imitate their 996 work schedule but holy fuck stop being a bunch of soft pussy faggots, please.
I watched a great vid the other day about the Chinese railway built on permafrost on the Tibetan plateau. These guys are committed - workers were getting sick because the oxygen tanks required for tunneling at altitude were too heavy so they installed some kind of oxygen enricher to pump oxygen rich air to the workers. Truly an incredible achievement now the line is finished. Meanwhile the UK's first proper high speed rail line (HS1 doesn't count) is years over schedule, drastically curtailed from initial plans, stupendously expensive as everyone and their uncle wants to slurp that sweet gravy, and actually kind of pointless given that it will only shave a few minutes off the existing route.

>>12330045
concrete melted under the heat of 3 raptors

>>12329730
Good.

>>12330045
I hope so

>>12329780
> satellites trying to monitor our every move
> UK has 1 clear day a month
Checkmate globalists

>>12330057
Methane can't melt steel beams.

>>12330054
>I'd think that if it was ice it would just have been vaporized from the heat glow coming off that plume
The absolute state of /sci/ brainlets

>Current space agency administrator Jim Bridenstine, a Trump appointee who took office in 2018, plans to leave his post even if he's asked to stay on because NASA will "need somebody who is trusted by the administration,

https://archive.is/wip/iSgRx

It's all over.

>>12329491
Delete exif data next time if you don’t want to look like a total rube

>>12329154
I thought SLS and Artemis are unkillable politically due to the massive inefficiency of spreading shit out everywhere

>>12330129
Oh no pls don't dox me Mr. Hackerman!

>>12329173
all hail the frankenshuttle

>>12329941
Ever seen an old dog turd? They turn white too just saying.

>>12330133
They'll do the same shit they did to Constellation during the Obama Administration - gut it, put manned flight on indefinite hold, have twenty congressional hearings, and then at the tail end of the administration rebrand the program as something else, stuff it with pork, and let it continue.

See you for Artemis-1, err, Shanique-1 in the late 2040s.

>>12330135
it will make your pictures right side up.
Nobody wants your info.

>>12329257
There's already a moon named Janus tho

>>12330154
That glorified asteroid doesn’t even have hydrostatic equilibrium. Although it’s much more real than Nemisis. Nemesis is a better name than all those for Planet X. Which isn’t real

>>12330127
>because NASA will need somebody who is trusted by Boeing

>>12330158
Prove it isn’t real

>>12329407
>"maybe NASA is not for you; this is civilization-changing stuff"

>>12330148
It is intolerable that this is the way we do things.

>>12330133
SLS is unkillable because it is written into law. Artemis can be canceled on a whim like "Moon? We’ve been there before."

>>12330165

>>12330148
It's infuriating because it's true. I'm fully anticipating a 7-8 year delay with Artemis while they "root out systemic racism in NASA" or some horseshit

>>12330210
Bathroom_floor.jpg

>>12330207
That's why private industry is bad.

>>12330213
Anyone have a photo of skylab next to starship, to scale?

>>12330219
opps, I mean private is good while government is bad.

>>12330222
Checked and don’t worry, I read it as pirate industry the first time lmao

>>12330210
>thousands of square tiling
>none are identical
Would it have killed NASA for them to try to standardize the tiles? Or at least make the tiles standard across each Shuttle instead of making each tilings unique like a fingerprint?

Sad time for human spaceflight. There goes Artemis—the question is how far does he roll it back? Roll back the Artemis Accords? Roll back the Trump executive orders on space resources? Will we find ourselves back in the place where landing on another celestial body is illegal again?

>wake up
>see that the Senate is cutting funding for Artemis
Thanks Biden.

>>12330230
Considering how much of Obama's policies Biden seems determined to bring back, it's a safe bet we're going all the way back to the Augustine Commission/Flexible Path shit where we're going to prioritize climate research and "outreach activities" over wasteful programs like space science and manned spaceflight

>>12330230
>>12330231
Why can't US just pick a path and fucking stick to it???

>>12330236
Because every two fucking years we see a potential flip in the legislative branch and shift in priorities.

The obvious fix would be to move NASA to a more independent structure where every 8 or 10 years they do some major update on what's been done, what's in planning, what could be changed, etc and then they're left the fuck alone.

>>12330236
It's like American spaceflight is caught between the Left who want to keep us on Earth forever, and the Right who want to go full Galactic Empire.

>>12330224
Pirate industry sounds awesome

>>12330236
Democracy is bad.

>>12330247
>You were born too late, you will never explore the seas.
>You were born too late, you will never explore space.
feels bad man

>>12330230
No way is the US pulling out of the OST now. Worst comes to worst there might be some additional regulations regarding off world access, planetary protection no-go zones most certainly aka everything with ice and water on Mars and the Moon, and even orbits around the Earth. But the eco nutjobs will have other major priorities the coming years so unless Starlink draws too much of their attention things shouldn't snowball too hard. Of course, comcast and co will make sure to urge them in the right direction...

>>12330258
>The quarterly reports are in - parrots and peglegs are up, but I'm a bit disappointed by the performance of floofy hats.

>>12330263
The bottom of the sea remains mostly unexplored and unmapped.
Antarctica still has much to find.
Hominin species are left to discover in Africa.

There's plenty to do.

>>12330271
>Hominin species are left to discover in Africa.

They even have countries

>>12330247
You're genuinely retarded if you think 50 years of mismanagement in spaceflight is suddenly a one-sided affair rather than a bipartisan one simply because we had 2 years of a decent administrator once.

>>12330227
There were many proposals over the years to streamline the tile mounting including doing it all with robots in the 80's.
>muh tile workforce
was the shut it down argument as any upgrade to the shuttles had to be voted in congress.

>>12330276
Yeah, it's more the left who want to stay on Earth and the right who want quick and easy achievements during their term for their resume, neither of which are conducive to long-term healthy growth of the human spaceflight industry.
And it's all Nixon's fault.

>believing the UN
No functioning governments exist south of the sahara

>>12330285
Meanwhile all the actual progress in space lately has been on the back of Obama's support for private space but let's just play pretend.

>>12330292
>Obama
>The left

>>12330285
Stagnation and death is part of the leftist agenda.

>>12330298
If we're actually using the correct definition of the word the 'left' has never been in power in the US and the post I was responding to is completely meaningless. You can't have it both ways.

>farm is venting
What's going on?

>>12330258
space piracy
station boarding and raiding parties
obviously not going to happen because of the difficulty in docking even when you want to, but a man can dream

>>12330292
This narrative is stupid—it only looks like a smart decision because SpaceX ended up being a win. When he actually started the effort it was transparently a complete waste of time and resources and he knew it. If SpaceX didn't exist we'd be laughing about commercial crew and how dumb Boeing looks.

>>12330311
Docking is easy. It only takes a long time because NASA has autistic safety standards.
Pirates would swoop in like fucking maniacs and probably shoot literal harpoons or something to grab the target spacecraft

>>12330315
ComCrew might be flying dreamchasers, at least that would be cool

>>12330315
NASA has no capabilities on its own and hadn't for some time, what the fuck are you looking for? Literally the best NASA can do is make Boing even worse through meddling. Did you think without commercial crew NASA would have just come up with a better design internal resources it hasn't exercised in decades? Even if SpaceX didn't exist, commercial is the only path forward for spaceflight. The state has been letting you down longer than you've been alive and you still cling to it. Leave the cradle.

>>12329154
does everyone put their first guy into permanent orbit in KSP?

>>12330336
I deleted my file recently but I had like 5 guys in different orbits, one in a polar orbit that I was able to land in "antarctica" and left him there, and a couple of guys who I launched in a retrograde orbit just to see if I could do it. I ended up having like a ton of debris around kerbin so I just deleted the file

>>12330336
I try not to, no

>>12329240

The planets have Roman names son, not Greek.

You'd want the Roman equivalent deity.

>>12330292
The upgrade from commercial cargo to commercial crew development after the Obama Admin axed Constellation was a token gesture to make it look like they were actually doing something besides gutting the manned spaceflight program. By 2015/2016 everybody was giving the Obama Admin shit for the chronic underfunding and bureaucratic obstruction of the commercial programs. Trump's admin pushed for significantly more funding and support for commercial crew and helped to clear out a lot of the red tape that was holding it back.

>>12330148

"gutting" Constellation ---> replacing the LEO rocket segment Constellation was frontloading with a better replacement plan that funded cheaper and sooner SpaceX for the role with no change in NASA' budget

>>12329486

>>12330336
Hell no, Based Jeb's flown on every single one of my flagship missions and returned every time. I once spent a week building and refining an unmanned rescue craft to get him off Minmus after he narrowly survived a crash.

No kerman gets left behind.

I just want to see humans on the moon again.
Is that too much to ask?

>>12330373
Yes - we've got starving kids in Africa and shieet.

>>12330356
>By 2015/2016 everybody was giving the Obama Admin shit for the chronic underfunding and bureaucratic obstruction of the commercial programs.
Except it was a republican congress that consistently failed to approve the allocated funding.

>>12330375
Fuck niggers who can't take care of themselves

>>12330356

They didn't gut manned spaceflight. Constellation was all rhetoric covering up a plan that would have seen the 2010s spent on developing a LEO rocket and Orion to the ISS. Commercial Crew was a replacement manned space program that was simply a better path than doing that.

The people complaining were fools.

>>12329486
Spitballing here. Pick your favorite:
Starship Iliad
Starship Aeneid
Starship Tempest
Starship Planet Express
Starship Hitler Did Nothing Wrong
Starship McStarshipface
Starship Brunhild
Starship Hyperion
Starship Ulysses
Starship Armstrong/Starship Buzz
Starship Boone/Starship Crockett
Starship Thunderbird
Starship Ziggy/Starship Bowie

>>12330356

No, Trump presided over 2016-2020 which inherently had more activity due to it being further in the program timeline than 2010-2016. He was simply there at that time.

>>12330381
My favorite one I came up with is probably Starship Ziggy

>>12329829
of they do replace it, it would be the fourth/fifth raptor replacement after a honk

>>12329452
I love space shuttle no matter how many people hate her. I know how dangerous and uneconomical the whole shuttle program was, but the beauty of this spacecraft is unrivalled imo. I’m looking forward to dream chaser too

>>12330230

It wasn't illegal before. The obstacles to resource harvesting aren't saying it's okay if someone does it.

>>12329458
cute

>>12329985

>>12330389
What the fuck are you talking about? The last static fire had three engine fires and ONE replacement and that's the first honk-related replacement I'm aware of.

Are we still getting an Electron launch from Wallops this year?

https://youtu.be/jM61ZkUoO4U

So-mo of the static fire. It's very clear from this vid that the debris are not actually emitting light; instead they're reflecting it. So they're clearly not molten engine components. Given the amount of reflectivity I wonder if the ice idea isn't correct.

your opinion on dream chaser?

>>12330420
great name, promising concept, probably never going to amount to much

>>12330420
I'd fuck it

>>12330414
Ice wouldn't be unheard of. Raptor's startup would have melted a lot but layers underneath this could still be solid, and would be ejected by the thrust and/or from the reaction to sublimating ice above it. Or it's gravel that's getting blown out and reflecting light. Either way it isn't the engine themselves because they sit up inside the starship's skirt. I guess worst case scenario it's chunks of turbopump being thrown out and bouncing off the ground but I doubt that

>>12330396
we had multiple anons in here predict raptor removal because there was already an established honk->replacement pattern

>>12330420
I can imagine a world where dreamchaser was chosen for commercial crew and ended up being an expensive POS... but because they got shafted for starliner I choose to pretend dreamchaser would have been awesome and cheap and better than starliner

>>12330426
That doesn't address the question at all. What the fuck were you talking about? You made a statement and didn't back it up whatsoever.

>>12330420
Correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't followed Dreamchaser that closely, but didn't they wind up adding an expendable trunk section? And then Sierra Nevada was like "hey what if we just use that part as a cargo module without the silly spaceplane?" rendering Dreamchaser pointless?

>>12330431
the question was what the fuck are you talking about, and i explained it best i could. there have been at least 3 raptor replacements after past honks, dunno what to tell you bro. if you didnt know that already you havent been paying attention

>>12330431
Seething SpaceX stan! Q2 2021 my darling!

>>12330438
Pretty much. Crewed version didn't get chosen by NASA but Jim threw them money for commercial resupply. Meaning they are building a windowless variant that will be stripped down- and they added a trunk for extra room (I think?). And now space force is interested in the trunk and not the dreamchaser itself so the whole thing is fucked. Poor SNC they were trying so hard and got the short end of the stuck because NASA "had" to go with starliner :(

>>12330440
All the static fires and work on the ships is recorded by teams of autists, you could easily point out what "at least three" static fires you're referring to if that's the case.

>>12330446
I hope they find other uses for Dream Chaser. That thing actually looks like it'd work without RUDing. Unlike Starliner.

>>12330449
i don't have to spoonfeed you shit. if you dont believe me and are too lazy to check for yourself i dont give a fuck

>>12330455
In other words you made some shit up.

>>12330452
In hindsight, post-2012 NASA should have focused on building up a fleet of Dreamchaser crew and cargo's to fill the gap after shuttle... with development on Dragon 2 in the works. A fleet of dreamchasers and dragons could do everything shuttle could do but cheaper and better

>>12330461
ignorance is bliss

>>12330469
sneed

Alright you dumbass anons I don't want to pick a side but this is what I think is right:
•Multiple raptors have honked before, I think we have seen it 4 or 5 times now. First one was starhopper which almost destroyed itself but landed with only seconds to spare
•When they replaced the engine on SN8 that was the first time we had confirmation of that 600Hz thing being a problem because autists analyzed the sounds and then saw them changing the engine
•We heard the noise again last night unfortunately. Unknown if they will replace raptor again. As far as we know the test went well and the noise wasn't indicative of a problem

>>12329154
>tfw Kerbal 2 will never come out

>>12329359
Well you like Elon because he talks sense.
These people like him because they think he doesn't and just succedes by accident.

>>12330477
SN8 was not the first we had confirmation. The sound analysis came from NSF forums after the first honk. It was confirmed to be an issue with 600hz resonace by elon himself. I'm checking NSF now
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47506.0

>>12330477
in other words I'm right and SN8 is the first replacement associated with 'muh honk'. It's not even a well established connection as three engines fired and only one was replaced, we have no idea how many honked.

>>12330504
Nope ;)

>>12330501
>It was confirmed to be an issue with 600hz resonace by elon himself.
Elon talked about 600hz in July of last year and hasn't talked about it since. It isn't even confirmed to be the same issue.

>>12330510
sneed ;)

Hurricane Eta delaying ULA launch. Will possibly delay Crew-1 too (60% chance of launch).
https://twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1326565102380789760

>>12330425
>worst case scenario it's chunks of turbopump being thrown out and bouncing off the ground but I doubt that
Same, the static fire continued well after "sparks" were first seen. If there was critical engine damage it would have ended immediately. Furthermore there were multiple "bursts" of debris.

Anything that flies above LC-39A this weekend will be BTFO

>>12330537
God damn they're STILL getting hurricanes? Isn't the season over?
We must endeavor to defeat this 'weather' menace.

>>12330551
Hurricanes are a year round thing but they peak in the summer/autumn.

>>12330560
Why have I never heard of a winter hurricane?
Or have I, and they just call them winter storms or something?
I genuinely thought 'hurricane season' was just a summer thing due to the warm air moving around, but I am no climatologist.

so have we heard what happened with the static fire yet? engine got fucked or just a spooky noise?

>>12330551
>We must endeavor to defeat this 'weather' menace.
I for one propose we dedicate 1 point percentage of USA nuclear stockpile entirely to fight off the eternal windy threat. Rest should be off for recreational purposes and Orion drives.

>>12330548
Yeah exactly. We need that anon to get to boca chica ASAP and get up-close footage right next to the thing as it lifts off for the 15km suicide jump

>>12330537
Go home Eta, you're drunk.

>>12330537
I'm willing to sacrifice Crew-1's deadline for the sake of extending the tragic comedy of NROL-44

>>12330580
fuck the weatherman and weather modeling

>>12330572
Dangerously correct.
>>12330580
wtf is she doing

>>12329859
keep in mind that China is a dictatorship where workers cannot complain much. In a democracy, if you force your workers, they will vote you out and it'll be back to the initial state

>>12330572
We should just build a wall on the west side of the sahara and charge africa for it. Dust blown off of the desert typically seeds a lot of these high power hurricanes. If africa is going to let their dust emissions cause powerful storms such as Harvey, they should pay for the damage. Many such cases!

>>12330570
Cyclones occur all over the world all of the time, they go by various names though. Like winter cyclones in the Northeast US/Eastern Canada are called nor'easters. Here's some of November/December hurricanes:

>November
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Tropical_Storm_Sebastien
>December
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Unnamed_subtropical_storm
>December-January
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Tropical_Storm_Zeta

>>12330598
>China is a dictatorship workers cannot complain much
Chinese workers are awful. The Chinese mentality is that if you let yourself get screwed over by a company, you deserved it for not being thorough. It's nothing like the Japanese or Korean salaryman working himself to death on behalf of the company—it's much more of a not-my-job culture where if it's not explicitly in their contract, they won't do it. Maybe the state run efforts are less lazy, but it's not on any kind of track to eclipse the US due to its national work ethic.

>>12330615
The japanese are so fucking based, I hope the mars colony is half japs. Focus on cleanliness and hard work is so good for society

>>12330613
That clears up my confusion, good post anon.

>>12330273

>>12330620
Maybe for their cleanliness, but their work ethic is horribly inefficiënt

>>12330620
The Japanese have their own problems that hold them back. Namely they're all elitists and refuse to accept that they have any problems with governmental corruption or infrastructure (as a direct result of governmental corruption) so nobody ever tries to fix them.

>>12330627
Someone get that orang a marking chalk.

>>12329187
>we finally become a space faring civilisation
>aliens contact us
>they look like furry cat/fox girls and the guys are all femboys
>and they're constantly horny

>>12330627
WHERE'S YOUR PPE MONKEY MAN?

>>12330657
given the circumstance PPE was deemed a hindrance and more likely to create a hazard

>>12330571
>>12329789

>>12329789
EXPENDABLE LAUNCH PADS

Wait let me get this straight: commercial crew was supposed to transition to reusable capsules to promise cheaper and quicker launches compared to the shuttle? And starliner fucked up in 2019 so it’s doing a repeat of the test in 2021?? What part of that is cheap or fast? Not to mention it costs more than a Soyuz? WHAT’S THE POINT?

>>12330696
to stop having to rely on the Russians and artificially support the private space industry. Probably 80% of funds the American private space industry currently makes comes directly from the US Government, either through NASA or Space Force or general DoD contracting.

>>12330373
NASA budget for 2020 is $22.629 billion
In order to make it to the moon it will cost 130 billion dollarinos. Not mentioning other NASA programs.

>>12330691
Expendable launch pads? They're real. We've seen them at KSC. Many jobs and contractors. Think of the economy. Water tower with molten metal blowing brrapper is not.
>https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/nasa-spends-1-billion-for-a-launch-tower-that-leans-may-only-be-used-once/

>>12330735
>According to a new report in NASASpaceflight.com, the expensive tower is "leaning" and "bending."
holy shit

>>12330746
Who did NASA contract to build that waste of taxpayer dollars?

>>12330696
BO is almost entirely Bezos funded, SpaceX will have most of profit from internet.

>>12330696
Dragon is going to finish it's first "real" mission before starliner even completes an uncrewed... Embarrassing to saw the least.

>>12330746
1 billion dollars LMAO. Call it a cope, but at this point I want Jim to leave NASA because it’s a bloated piece of shit with lazy workers. Let him go to spacex it would be an outstanding move

>>12330764
Also reminder that both grasshopper and Dragon 2 started development AFTER sls and have already shown their worth. You could even argue that falcon is beginning to make its final stretch to retirement at this point. The absolute state of boeing is fucked

Why is Saturn the most kino planet?

>>12330787

The rings are very /fa/. Also, it has Titan.

>>12330793

True dat.

Titan is where I'm heading.

>>12330057
>concrete melted under the heat of 3 raptors
Man, imagine how hot you need to get to do that. The components of concrete can turn into weird glass/ceramics

>>12330793
Uranus and Neptune have rings too, but yeah Saturn's are obviously prettier and Titan is cool as fuck. Uranus is cool to me just for being tilted over like it's drunk.

>>12330779
>Be Boeing
>Make successful but expensive rocket in 1989
>High on success, make Delta III
>Use satellite payload on test flight due to over confidence
>Rocket explodes
>Perform second test flight with satellite payload
>Rocket explodes
>Perform 3rd test flight with dummy payload
>Rocket launches into wrong orbit
>get contracted to develope SLS
>Take 11 years to test fire a redesign of the space shuttle tank
>get contracted to build capsule for commercial crew
>Get large chunk of contract (70%+ of it)
>Expect competition to fail, then use their failure to ask for more money lmao
>Competition doesn't fail, panic and launch incomplete capsule
>Launches into wrong orbit
>Also build plane that crashes into the ground by design :^)
Boeing hasn't, on their own, had a successful space dev program since 1989 haha, but they keep getting huge contracts

Which of the three raptors fired last night?

>>12330847
I was under the impression that they fire all of them

>>12329172
Biden admin? Maybe in some kind of alternate dimension. In this dimension, Trump wins.

>>12330838
Damn this is pathetic lol. Did they actually plan on asking for MORE money for ComCrew? Talk about fucking hubris

>>12330857
i ask bc the NSF upload specifies it was a single engine

>>12330866

Well, if it werent for SpaceX, the competition might've actualy failed (Unsure about Dreamchaser though).

>>12330838

>>12330838
Space is hard.

Was raptor SN39 replaced by SN36?

>>12330838
the 737 MAX should have been the end for the company. In a properly functioning system it would be. Instead they got corporate welfare in response to their fucktarded CEO spending all their money on stonks.

>>12330866
They thought their chunk (5.5 something billion dollars) wasn't enough, and expected SpaceX (they received like 2.7~ billion) to run out and ask for more money, once SpaceX asked for money, they would ask NASA for more to pay off the rest of Starliner dev, then actually finish it
That never happened lmao, Crewed Dragon was a success, and SpaceX never asked for more money, so Boeing had to Cope, and fucked up
Thanks to the program not being cost+, Boeing is picking up their mess out of their own pocket, which is great because usually the taxpayer does that (it will probably be canceled)

>>12330958
So my dick.

>>12329832
Yeah, it looks like the raptor exhaust column managed to punch a hole in the pad under the test stand, which allowed gas pressure to build up under the pad, which lifted chunks of the pad up and blasted them out and away from the pad. Not bad in and of themselves, but definitely bad if those 20 pound chunks of concrete manage to land on anything crushable and important.

>>12330985
>>12330696
why does Starliner even exist right now? Doesn't Dragon make it entirely redundant? Not to mention the fact that, unlike Dragon, Starliner doesn't even fucking work.

>>12330866
REMINDER THAT WE ARE ALMOST IN 2021 AND SHUTTLE DEBRIS IS STILL BEING FUNDED

>>12330627
>chimp is more intuitive and effective at tool use than niggers

>>12330985
Don't forget that they tried to make an excuse for needing a larger budget was because SpaceX had developed a capsule previously (Dragon One) and Boeing hadn't. Ignoring that they did development work before CCrew.

>>12331002
>That pic

>>12330247
The right will just as soon the left sequester government funds for themselves and the ppl they’re in bed with.

>>12330995
Congress wanted Boeing to do Commercial Crew because "trusted" contractor. NASA wanted redundancy in launch capability, and fought to have SpaceX onboard. Congress reluctantly allowed it so long as Boeing got more development money. Boeing Boeing'd but are kept around because NASA's redundancy argument.

There does seem to be three known Raptor burp/swap occurrences. I've retrieved this info from NSF public forums (not L2) and NSF YouTube uploads.
Raptors SN2>SN6, SN18>SN20, SN39?>SN36?.

If the pattern holds, another Raptor swap could be in SN8's future

>>12330995
To be independent from commies. If Dragon gets grounded for some reason, then NASA is fucked.

>>12330995
NASA wants more than one launch vehicle so if one has problems they could just use the other
Of course NASA didn't know how low Boeing would go to squeeze every cent they could. It was a good plan in theory, and would have worked better if SNC won over Boeing

>>12331026
NASA waited 10 years for Dragon,

>>12331018

Dragon and Soyuz are more then enough for redundancy considering how reliable their respective rockets are.

>>12331026
Bullshit. As >>12331018 mentioned politicians argued strongly for a single contractor (guess which one). Many believed commercial crew without cost plus is impossible and suggested using the SLS-Orion instead.

>>12331037
Atlas is more reliable. Dragon should fly on it.

>>12331032
>Of course NASA didn't know how low Boeing would go to squeeze every cent they could
No. NASA knew.

>>12331018
>"trusted" contractor
pretty ridiculous that "trusted" means "been around for a long time" and has nothing to do with actual performance

>>12331041
>SLS-Orion instead
$2B every year just to send 3 people to the ISS? Yep, sounds like degrading oldpsace

>>12331021
That first honk on starhopper was fuckin brutal lmao

>>12331037
soyuz is small and cute!!

>>12331015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qAi_9quzUY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01CfiyP0_7A

>>12331055
Reminder that the engineers who tried to warn NASA were fired for "not trying hard enough", and the managers who ignored them and approved the launch were left untouched.

>going to Spaceport America Soon™
>will actually be in the hangar this time and not at the VLA
>security briefing says we're not allowed to take pictures
I'll at least take pictures again outside on the way up to the hangar building.

>>12331021
to be clear, have there been burps without swaps afterwards?

>>12331055
fuck NASA management

>>12331062
of course. Once you pass a certain power threshold in gov you become untouchable.

>>12331007
That looks a lot like the Apollo Block 3+ from ETS. I like it.

>>12330605
That dust also feeds the Amazon rain forest, or what’s left of it.

>>12331070
only once, on the very first static fire of raptor sn2 on starhopper. it subsequently burped again before being swapped. did you look at pic rel?

>>12329407
>>12330180
link?

>>12331015
Absolutely! Nature says that space is hard and that we should take care of it on this planet before we go out to try to ruin other planet's natures.

>>12331032
Oh they knew. They knew. They had congressmen whispering sweet nothings in their ear and holding a gun to their budget telling them if they didn't automatically go with boeing that they could kiss their sweet commercial crew program goodbye for good

>>12331082
somewhere in here. anon was paraphrasing however
https://youtu.be/XFi-zvssfuc

>>12331085
nature is hard. we shouldnt focus on climate change because terraforming is too difficult

>>12331062
It was 5 engineers from Thiokol the ones who opposed. One of them died some years ago.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/21/470870426/challenger-engineer-who-warned-of-shuttle-disaster-dies?t=1605123503230

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/22/finally-free-from-guilt-over-challenger-disaster-an-engineer-dies-in-peace/

>>12330797
aye.

>>12331078
>only once, on the very first static fire of raptor sn2 on starhopper
interesting. If the "burp" meant "turbopump destruction" that wouldn't be possible.

>>12331042
Falcon 9 Block 5 has 100% successful rate, and Falcon 9 flown more successful mission than Atlas V.

>>12331146
evidence is circumstantial, but it's probably two separate issues. we've seen turbopump issues arise after long duration fires like the 150m hops. wish i had L2, there might be better details there

>>12331021
>>12331070
>>12331078

Other space vehicles/engines have had burps after static fires in the past with zero issues. Its possible that the burps can coincide with internal Raptor failures, however the burp alone is not a sign of failure.

>>12331161
sure, it's just a correlation, not a direct cause or effect. the existence of a burp raises the probability that something went wrong

>>12331151
2 failures still equals 2 failures retard, 2 failures Atlas 5 doesn't have, Landing rockets may be a novelty, but reliability will always be preferred, the launch is the cheapest part of the satellite, and no Government worth their salt would ever risk spaceX budget rockets

>>12331151
However, SpaceX wasn't there to bribe congr- I mean, fly men to the moon and return them back to Earth safely.

>>12331187
>no Government worth their salt would ever risk spaceX budget rockets
GPS is going to be flying on second-hand Falcons next year, oldspace is dead.

>>12331187
seething ULA stan, launch a rocket dummy

>>12331157
>but it's probably two separate issues
makes sense. This stuff is way above my pay grade but I've wondered if they struggle with shutdown. FFSC is supposed to be a bit of a nightmare in that department if I have my facts straight.

>>12331161
as was pointed out last thread a Delta IV abort resulted in an obvious honk. So it's not a raptor-exclusive phenomenon : https://youtu.be/P3f-rFA5Wp8?t=16

>>12330787
How do I install RSS? Stock solar system's kinda become boring to me. I also wanna test out a Von Neumann probe idea I've been having.
>>12330838
That's what happens when you stop being managed by engineers and instead are managed by business degrees.
>>12331002
So I guess pic related isn't that unrealistic of a character.
>>12331042
>>12331151
DRAGON
ON
SOYUZ

>>12331187
>no Government worth their salt would ever risk spaceX budget rockets
Dumbass

>>12331201
ULA abort ended with a big BRAAAP, maybe that's why D4H has been delayed to Q2 2021

>>12331021
I hope this isn't an indication of some fundamental design flaw but rather SpaceX working out the kinks.

>tfw neither Raptor nor BE-4 have had a full-thrust full duration test fire yet despite supposedly being ready for production

>>12331216
Soyuz is too narrow.

>>12331230
pretty sure both have, anon

>>12331230
I'm a part time concern troll, but not really worried. Just annoyed that I don't get my fix sooner, like the rest of us

>>12331196
NROL will also fly their secret spacecraft on a reused Falcon 9 next week, old space is dead soon.

>>12331234
Oh. What about:
SOYUZ (the orbital spacecraft)
ON
FALCON 9

>>12331230
>Raptor nor BE-4 have had a full-thrust full duration test fire ye
What? https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1309317126130339845

>>12331230
Raptor has absolutely done full thrust full duration test fires. Unless you're not counting it because they're stuck at 270bar or whatever, I believe it's within mission capability at that stage though

Corruption in Canada?
>Canada signs $600M deal for Telesat internet in remote areas
https://cabinradio.ca/49247/news/economy/canada-signs-600m-deal-for-telesat-internet-in-remote-areas/

Canada gave a $600 million CAD subsidy to Telesat to support it against Starlink.

https://youtu.be/7udQW89eqFk
will falcon 9 static fire end in a big burp? tune in to nsf live and bring your shekels!

>>12331236
As far as I know only the subscale version(s) did.

>>12331251
what does full duration even mean? drain the test tanks or fire for the full simulated mission duration?

>>12331257
>bring your shekels
I'm tired of hearing "DONATE DONATE DONATE" every 5 minutes during a stream.

>>12331257
>T-21 minutes
Do people seriously watch before T-2m?

>>12331254
At first I thought they were insane but it turns out they do have a LEO cluster with decent (target) latency, they may be able to compete in a limited capacity

>>12331254
Why would Canada fund starlink over a domestic company like Telesat? They're not blocking starlink from being used in Canada, and starlink already has enough resources behind it in America to fund its development

Is there any way to ask a vendor how flammable their acrylic is without seeming suspicious? This is for rocket science.

>>12331294
excuse me I am mr. pepe of pepe ltd and I wish to inquire about the flammability of your product for safety purposes

>>12331294
Ask how much high you can get.

>>12331254
Nothing corrupt about a government trying to support its own companies to be competitive in a global marketplace. Not that I think it'll make a difference, but that's not "corruption" by any means.

>>12331294
you need to know for safety reasons

>>12331260
No? They've been testing full scale raptors since 2016

>>12331294
just ask them retard
>"Hello mister Chink, I'm trying to build a "insert thing here" But it will produce heat, and I would like to know the heat tolerances of your acrylic, including flash point, and if it warps or melts under certain temperatures :^)

>>12331265
bump :(

>>12331254
Basically discount for Canadian users, but even with this, they still have no chance against Starlink.

>>12331254
>Schwartz said he was not concerned that a delay in deploying the constellation put at risk an International Telecommunication Union requirement to have at least 10% of its 298-satellite system in orbit by February 2023. The company is “completely confident” it can meet that deadline, and even if it does not, he said he believes Telesat can get that requirement waived by demonstrating it has active contracts for building and launching satellites.

This doesn't inspire confidence.

>>12331315
mission duration, it's done at a test stand so tank status is not really the concern

>>12331294
>ask if they use flame retardants
That is it, if you are seriously worried about them thinking you are burning it just say you need it chemically pure.

>>12331335
yeah but dont you need truly massive tank to supply a full duration raptor fire? i thought it was only possible on the ship prototypes bc big ass tank

>>12331326
Didnt US ISPs have active contracts to build out fiber? lol

>>12331326
With the size of the potential market and a stranglehold on launches I wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX makes more on the launch contracts for this than it loses in the threat of competition

>>12331345
it doesn't come from nowhere those ship prototypes have to be filled by the tank farm, their test facilities at mcgregor or wherever they test raptors have to have a similar storage setup

>>12331094
@19:58
>What if anything you do to encourage the President that climate change is not a Chinese hoax...
Fucking kek.

>>12331415
almost all of those upvoted employee questions were hilarious. really reveals the dire state of the NASA workforce

>>12330230
>Thinking trump won't just name himself emperor in January.

>>12331426
Honestly I think they have been good.
>how do we know Moon 2024 won't get canned
>why aren't we hiring young blood
>SLS is going to cost $2b per flight, how can it compete with Starship / New Glenn
>what's NASA role in SpaceForce
>why was Gerstenmaier sacked
>Artemis lacks Congressional support, how long until NASA admits that
>whats going to be hardest for a Lunar base
Sure there is some retarded shit in there mix but nearly all the highly voted shit is reasonable.

>>12331467
What's ol' Gerst up to these days? I heard he was consulting for SpaceX but that's it

>>12331440
>being duped into believing Trump is engaged in anything other than the legal process of contesting election results in precisely the same way dems contested the 2016 results
Both sides like to sling the words "fascist" and "socialist" at each other, but in reality the major players are all just moderates with bad manners. Don't be fooled by the corporations who want to harvest your hate engagement.

>>12331440
He won't need to. The election isn't over yet and the actual vote doesn't happen for almost another month.

>>12331551
lol

>>12331551
let it go man

>>12331551
People are so worked up on Trump thinking he's the devil incarnate and all these things they will probably burn the other half of the country thay haven't yet

>>12331551
COPE ALERT COPE ALERT
>ok GUIS HeReS hOw TrUmP cAn StIlL WiN

>>12331616

>>12331623

>>12331601
You will never be a woman.

>>12331629
After Biden is elected you will be though

>>12331627
>ngmi
another dumb rich kid think he can make rockets!

>>12331627

>>12331629
I will be a male midwife on mars, fueled by beans and libertarian ideals

>>12331326
>would have difficulty producing and launching 30 satellites
How? These days satellites go up by the dozens every couple of days.

>>12331629
>you will never be a women
Post bench 1rm faggot
>inb4 I don't lift

>>12331640

>>12331637

>>12331650

ZERO-G COOKING

>>12331656
>blue Apollo
Was that due to anti-corrosion paint or something? There's lots of pictures of Apollo command modules colored blue, but they all seem to be from while the vehicle was being assembled.

>>12331661
>tfw zero-G cookies would be round balls instead of flat discs
Bro...

>>12331641
Sorry pal, Biden says no mars now. We need to give all our money to poor brown people.

Aside from airlocks and orbital assembly, has /sfg/ had any good ideas? I'm having a memory block right now I can't think of anything

>>12331664
not if they're being spun

>>12331664
Cookie balls sound pretty cool actually.

>>12331662
>http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/001922.html
>The CM thermal coating that looks like aluminum foil was G 1015 thermal control tape, comprised of 0.5 mil Kapton with a silicone pressure sensitive adhesive on the back. It was coated with about 5-millionths of an inch of vacuum deposited aluminum and overcoated with about 40-millionths of an inch of silicon oxide. The G.T. Schjeldahl Company, Northfield, Minnesota, manufactured this tape, which was supplied with a blue protective coverlay tape.

>>12331664
imagine the crust, then the soft middle...

>>12331681
>try to bake whey cookies on the bottom level of Gainz Station 13
>they end up being a millimeter thick

>>12331688
Like a doughnut hole

Fuck urf

>>12331689
>Carbs
>On gainzstation 13
No cheat day's in space anon.

>>12331709
i kinda wanna be a jello slug man on gains station

>>12331732
At least they evaded Florida man..

>>12331732
Fake, but Based.
Fuck bezos.

So when the hell is something happening?

Today in history:
>1572 – Tycho Brahe observes the supernova SN 1572.
>1966 – NASA launches Gemini 12.

>>12331745
SpaceX is going to blow some People up in crew1 in a couple of day's.

>>12331732
Do you have a link to the article?

>>12331760
anon, i

>>12331745

Crew 1 in 4 days. Its going to be hype!

>>12331745
We're still waiting on confirmation about if that anon really did have sex that day

>>12331732
mfw i thought this was a real article for a second

>>12331765
Ignore me

>>12331467
I've noticed all the astronauts are old as shit now. When will NASA get some new blood or are they pretty much finished?

>>12331800
>test flight of SLS will destroy heritage engines
>aging astronaut population that will shrink to nothing soon
>let ISS get deorbited
>shift focus from exploring space to exploring the climate
>allow moon landing conspiracies to fester making Apollo seem mythical and unreal
>then spaceflight fans will have no reference to how a space program should be run
>forever blue ball them with moon landings
>keep funding cost-plus-plus development
>turn NASA into engineer welfare for senators
Convince me that this wasn't oldspace's plan before SpaceX shook things up

>>12331800
That's what happens when your qualification process starts with entire careers worth of qualification in shit that isn't even relevant to the task

>>12331684
>blue protective coverlay tape
Interesting. Thanks.

Even the Afghanbros are going mad for Musk

>>12331866
They dream the stars like us, too. We should stop all wars on Earth so that we can focus on space development and resume warring in new, amazing ways, once we get out of this planet.

>>12331824

>>12331866
Interesting fact.

There used to be something called the "man on the moon effect" where people just assumed that the Americans would be able to solve any problems in their country instantly, because how can a country that can put people on the moon fuck up something as simple as getting the water running.

>>12331889
There are still people who think the EmDrive could work? Do they just ignore every test that has shown that the drive doesn't work?

>>12330965
>Racecar Gene
>>12331002
>chimp
OOK!

>>12331894
keep coping, the jury is still out. EmDrive performance is up to the courts now

>>12331885
TopkekX

>>12331883
Join the Navy!
Travel the world
Meet interesting people
And kill them

>>12331904
and what if the "courts" determine that the drive doesn't work?

>>12331917
then the courts are rigged

>>12331917
They won't

https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/2020/07/23/upper-peninsula-to-become-spaceport-launch-and-autonomous-vehicle-testing-site/

Who the fuck are these guys? Is the UP really gonna launch rockets? Because that would be awesome.

>>12331664
I would unironically pay a premium for space-baked round cookies

>>12331970
a lot of places are going to get duped into building spaceports by predatory developers, but honestly location matters too much. Unless Hawaii wants to open a spaceport, I don't see them moving away from Florida/Texas. Maybe some competing places along the same coasts, but certainly nothing up in Michigan.

>>12331987
>Unless Hawaii wants to open a spaceport
They would just complain about sacred land being used for the spaceport until some extra millions get dumped into the local economy

>>12331987
Yeah I was thinking that we're way too far north for a launchsite, maybe for polar-orbit launches or something but hell half the year the pad would be under a foot of ice and three more of snow. I'd love to be able to watch a launch in person without having to go to the other side of the country though, bring the rockets to me please.

>>12332008
also they'd end up dropping stages over Vermont or into Canada. Unless they think Starships can provide an entire industry on their own, I guess, but that's a very risky bet and nobody else really seems to want to take full reusability seriously.

Boca residents just got another paper notice for testing and tomorrow. Whatever blew up apparently wasn't too important.

>>12332008

The Russians seem to get high-latitude launch-sites to work. Plesetsk sits around 62 degrees while Michigan sits around the mid 40's.

>>12332043
>dropping spent stages on Canada
Alright you've sold me on it, how do we fund this endeavor?

>>12329829
>>no word on muh 600hz
Gojira roar is a feature. Now if only they could produce it during or before a launch.

>>12332102
it is a slightly less violent burp than those previous. maybe 520hz is benevolent

>>12331678
Pisslocks haven't been topped

>>12331889
Red pill me on the em drive?