/sci/ - Science & Math

Explain consciousness like I'm retarded.
It's a foreign word for a non-English speaker like me, don't really understand what it's trying to say.

>>12327638
I got this theory where I'm the only one who has enough common sense to actually understand consciousness, I'd attempt to extrapolate this understanding to you fine folks but, you just wouldn't get it.

>>12327638
It's a CONCEPT with no clear DEFINITION
Therefore it can't be explained clearly
It depends on your definiton of consciousness. From chimps to neanderthals and humans, when did consciousness arise?

>>12327693
>when did consciousness arise
man was created as is and was born with consciousness, darwinigger

>>12327701
any proof on that christianigger?

>>12327664
when I talk about consciousness I'm basically taking about advanced thinking and qualia. Google also helps if you don't know what qualia means.

>>12327638
it seems to be there for self-reflecting purposes of the system itself.

>>12327713
>christianigger
guess again

>>12327701
painful face palm

>>12327736
>revelation of man's divine creation caused anon to slap himself in disbelief and religious fervor
a tale as old as time

>>12327744
so evolution isnt your thing.
what about paleontology?

>>12327765
don't fall for the bait anon

>>12327638
It's as meaningless as "free will"

>>12327701
>and was born with consciousness
simply unjustified

>>12327765
>paleontology
the study of the white man?
>>12327780
right, one would think man ought to have earned it but who are you to look a gift horse in the mouth, sodomite?

>>12327638
That you have all the answers, resources, willpower, and energy to do everything and I'm nothing.

Its basically emergence

When something exists, it feels like something to be that thing from the inside out. Mostly this feeling is effectively nonexistent because nothing recieves it. A mind creates a model of the world which includes itself, and tries to model itself. Its in attempting to do this that it ends up modeling the subjective experience itself as something that is existent, and thus is able to not only experience what it is like to be itself, but can assign an objective label to that experience. This allows the ability to speak about the unspeakable. The nature of the subjective experience is unmeasurable in a strict sense, but we can begin to form a measurement of it by using experience as measurement. So we see many blue things and create the word blue to label the experience these things have in common.

>>12327638
That it evolves by thinking about itself, subtly avoiding all disputes about the philosophical difference between free will and its opposite.

I think it's kind of like gravity.

An omnipresent phenomenon, an innate property of the universe. Much like objects don't "have" gravity but attract it through their mass, consciousness can be attracted to dense clusters of self-referencing masses. Heavier objects attract more gravity, dense and/or complex clusters of information attract more consciousness.

>>12327894
This implies a constant hive attractor in your hypothesied field of consciousness. We'd be able to measure it.

I personally think it’s a type of sheaf. Somehow synthesizing data in disparate locations in space like the different neurons of a brain in some category.
The problem I have with this theory is that I also believe that simulations of brains are also conscious.

>>12327954
Not a problem. State graphs are pure information, and thus can be compared regardless of location. Ideas aren't localized constructs.

>>12327638
Consciousness is a fundamental.

>>12327915
>constant hive attractor

what is this?

>>12328079
If all consciousness were attracted in the same manner then it would produce an informatic bias that would be experienced internally as a hive mind. Everything would feel the sense of grander awareness in the same manner. Optical illusions in the fundamental field you propose.

>>12327638
Consciousness is the sum total of iterative adaptations to dangers our ancestors faced. We can see rudimentary levels of sentience and even arguably sapience in the animal kingdom around us. What APPEARS to be the case is that there was a sort of cambrian explosion in conscious thought in pre-history. My personal assumption is that intelligence as we understand it arose very quickly once the conditions for it were met. In other words, I consider modern man’s sapience to have been not unlike an awakening at some key moment, rather than a truly progressive linear growth in cognitive capacity.

As far as I understand it, however, there is no clear indicator of when human consciousness truly arose, or whether it even arose in humans specifically and not its ancestors. We can make educted assumptions based on diet, tool-making, and physiology, but it’s purely conjecture at this time.

>>12327664
Consciousness in English is usually used to refer to the concept of understanding that you exist. Once humans were able to realize they were a distinct and separate entity, they were left to question why. From there, they applied that same inquisitive thought to the world around them. Eventually, that led to construction of tools, which then allowed them to harvest resources and fuel growth.

>>12327638
It's hard to discuss something when we don't even what we're discussing about.
It's pretty interesting, since it's like those blackhole -threads where people have all kind of explanations.

Consciousness is like a fractal.

Even atoms and particles contain small amounts of consciousness. The various organs within your body contain their own consciousness. Your own consciousness is a collection of many smaller consciousnesses that have all become aware of each other and started working together. Your own consciousness is part of a much larger collective unconsciousness of the human race, and that is part of a much much much larger trans-dimensional consciousness of the universe. Everyone and everything is connected, like a fractal.

Consciousness is like a fractal.

Even atoms and particles contain small amounts of consciousness. The various organs within your body contain their own consciousness. Your own consciousness is a collection of many smaller consciousnesses that have all become aware of each other and started working together. Your own consciousness is part of a much larger collective unconsciousness of the human race, and that is part of a much much much larger trans-dimensional consciousness of the universe. Everyone and everything is connected, like a fractal

...... or maybe I just smoked too much weed.

>>12327638
Conscious is a wave length, similar to rpm on a motor, is the sum of many parts. If all parts are in a chord then enlightenment is reached. To become light (enlightened) is to become both physical particle and a wave at the same time

>>12328166
Next time this post appears, we can prove it was a p-zombie.

>>12328175
possible. all of it. even at the same time.

>>12328178
Better hook yourself up on those wires to catch all the coping brainwaves you're emitting.

Strange loop

some general form of recursive function

>>12327638
Robert Lanza has some interesting ideas, din't know what /sci/ thinks about him though

>>12327638
I am the only conscious being in the universe and all of you are just sophisticated meat robots. You can't prove me wrong.

>>12327989
Yeah, until you die in a car crash. Or are you one of those immortal types?

did you know the gut has neurons in it and fecal transplants reduce long term symptoms of autism

i wonder why they call it 'gut feeling' huh...

>>12327638

Cyclical closed circuitry. •>_//___•

>>12328566
This.

>>12327638
Fundamental property of the universe.

>>12328156
thanks man

At a certain point, the brain gets smart enough to recognize the self.

^ agreed it’s a culmination of all your senses

>>12329366
Next time (You)

>>12329377

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>>12327638
It's mostly generated by the brain to perceive the world in a way that's tuned towards survival. A species does not perceive the world as it really exists. It only experiences what it needs to in order to survive. Consciousness is the process of putting together a model of the world to adapt behavior to. It's just as involuntary as a heart beating since consciousness comes prior to behavior.

I personally like the theory that consciousness is the quantum mechanical ability to collapse the wave function. This interpretation, while not without problems, at least gives a naturalistic explanation for the idea of free will.

>>12329446
wat

>>12328607
t. retard

>>12327894
That's interesting. Clumps of matter seem "combine" their masses when in close proximity of each other. I wonder how matter would "combine" its individual units of consciousness. Maybe if the bits of matter are communicating in some special way

>>12329446
Tbh It's complete BS
The set of premisses you find lying around online are mostly derived from a book named the Tao Of Physics, published in the 70s that depicts a bunch of unbased conjectures of the relationship between consciousness and quantum mechanics. The overall hypothesis is this: consciousness is mysterious, quantum mechanics is also mysterious, so the two are related.
It is a fun read though.