/sci/ - Science & Math

I like to coom in times of stress

1. Train visual thinking, visualize a chess board and try to move the pieces. Visualize what is inside objects around you like inside a car or computer.
2. Train spatial thinking, put yourself into unknown complex buildings that you have to traverse through. Visualize schematic abstract images with relationships and transformation, nothing else to save computational power. Stay confident in your ability to be able to traverse or find the way back. If you get lost brute force it and map it out while you do so.
3. Train systematic thinking, think of the schemas and logic in the systems all around you. Think of the embedded things and where it leads.
4. Stay away from having your dominant thinking as process thinking or internal monologue thinking, these types are important but become unhealthy, disorganized and even partly schizophrenic if you use them dominantly or exclusively.
What type of thinking or exercise do you recommend?

>>12323298
ssris may cause neurogenesis in the brain but also probably cause dementia, so you could roll the dice

>>12323425
These other points can be had by focusing on 3 and integrating, not supplanting, the distinction presented in 4.

>>12323425
what about training working memory?
idk how effective dual n back is (it's boring as shit as well) but meme man cal newport suggests learning how to memorize a deck of cards using the house walking method

>>12323471
It seems like drugs with 5-HT interaction seem to stimulate some kind of neurogenesis/neuroplasticity. Psychedelics do it too but they aren't associated with dementia or anything like that.

>>12323520
What does that do? It's mostly skills and whatever sharpening is done is lost without frequent practice. Just study metaphysics. It's always w you

>>12323520
im skeptical about n back not solely because I suck at it, but because a few years ago I heard about multitasking and rapid context switching killing iq and nback is basically that in a nutshell

>>12323298
Does music helps with math?

>>12325146
Depends on the music

>S-Tier:
sleep
exercise
diet+fasting
meditation
dopamine sensitivity

>A-Tier:
supplements (omega, b12, d3, ...)
nootropics(lions mane, lsd)
reading(?)
learning new things (if you can't come up with anything, just try juggling or learn a new language)
brain exercises (?)

>>12325632
High IQ music like progressive metal and jazz

>>12325100
>n-back
>multitasking

>>12323298
goals:
>find wife who I deeply connect with
>quiet, small house in a forest on a coast of north west italy
>own swimming pond with fish, chickens in tree garden
>potato and cabbage field, glasshouse
>wind tourbine, solar, water well
>strive for self reliance, passive income
>experience a variety of memories
>delay dementia, stay sharp

dementia delaying hobbies:
>fullbody weightlifting 3 times a week
>cardio on rest days, HIIT
>stretching, wim hof meditation
>IIFYM diet with vegetables
>reading books, writing a diary
>playing an instrument, singing
>creative art outlet, sketching
>bonding with nature, hiking
>taking care of a pets, plants
>practice speaking in new language
>socializing with gf, friends
>part time job, that im passionate about

personality traits to follow:
>practice storytelling, smiling and eye contact
>talk about positive aspects, complement
>avoid unnecessary lies, don't complain or critique
>be optimistic, calm, humble, confident

how to change:
>think of what person I want to become
>write down how I could achieve that
>set and visualize achievable goals
>take small steps to leave my comfort zone
>learn things that build on existing knowledge
>reharse what I am trying to remember
>reward myself as I complete an objective

extras:
>7.5 hour SLEEP on back or left side
>sun and moon salute yoga
>sailing, bouldering, fishing
>drawing common items in different positions
>using references, recalling images from memory
>sketching facial expressions, shading 3d
>no headphones, resting the eyes
>no porn, not even softcore thots
>fleshlight, hipthrusts
>mewing, no inhaling with mouth
>no caffeine, no sugar, no white flour
>interacting with new people
>max 1 beer at social meetings
>magic shrooms once a year

>>12326442
>IIFYM
ngmi

>>12326462
if it fits your macros is the endgame, do 2g protein per kg bodyweight, 1g fat per kg of bw and rest into carbs like 30:30:40

diet:
>eggs, oats, nuts
>beef/ fat fish
>rice/ potatoes/ pasta
>spinach/ brocolli
>sprouts/ beans/ onions
>tomatoes/ carrots
>sauerkraut/ pickles
>olive/ lard
>seasonal fruits, bone broth
>sunlight or vit D

routine:
>A
>PULL UPS 4x5
>DEADLIFT 3x5
>OHP 3x5
>pec flys
>rotator cuff
>lat side raise
>straight arm pull

>B
>DMB ROW 4x5
>SQUAT 3x5
>DIPS 3x5
>leg raise
>hip thrust
>wrist roller
>facepulls

>C
>PENDLEY ROW 4x5
>FARMER WALK 3x50m
>FLAT PRESS 3x5
>ab wheel
>lunges
>overhead tricep
>hammer curls

>AxBxCxx full body split
>3 min rest for main lifts, drop sets
>45s rest for accesories, time under tension 2x45s

cardio:
>pick one of these for 30 minutes on rest days
>dancing
>martial art
>skipping rope
>running uphill
>rollerblading
>cycling
>rowing
>swimming

>>12326494
i dont agree with iifym, at all.
with carbs you raise insulin which brings stuff into your cells. you dont want fat in your cells. so always split carbs and fats. i eat low carb high fat in the morning and high carb low fat in the evening. nothing in between.
a couple of hours after my breakfast i have my green tea. check out green tea. greentea+fasting is overpowered

>>12326501
your meme only matters if youre obese, if youre normal weight, then insulin spikes are not harmful

>>12326512
thats how you get obese
the absolute state. why not eat high fat high carb gummy bears and potato chips, iifym it must be ok, right? because iifym prevents dementia for some reason, right?

>>12326518
you get obese by eating too much, sorry im not american

>>12326527
hurr durr calories in calories out is the only thing that matters.

this is a brain improvement thread, and you advocate gummy bears and potato chips IIFYM

>>12326534
youre youre fat, then eat less to lose weight
I understand this concept is impossible for american to accept, but you have to try
gummy bears have too much sugar and chips have too much saturated fat, also you dont need this many spices

>>12326542
1) i am not american
2) there is a thing called hormones
3) but if you eat gummy bears and potato chips and they fit your macros? btw, why regard spices? they are no macro!!

>>12326549
if youre fat, then eat less to lose weight
I understand this concept is impossible for mexican to accept, but you have to try
gummy bears have too much sugar and chips have too much saturated fat, spices make you smell bad

>>12326553
BUT IF GUMMY BEARS AND POTATO CHIPS FIT YOUR MACROS THEN IT IS IN LINE WITH YOUR SHITTY THEORY YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING LOW IQ APE.

not mexican either, try another ad hominem

yes, generally eating less will make you lose weight. but it is only one factor.

>>12326565
you can split carbs into carbs and sugars, you dont want to have added sugar
fats split into saturated and not, try to eat more lard and olive, coconut oil
its really simple
the key thing here is to have stress coping mechanism, fatties use food as a drug, stress relief, thats bad for them

>>12326573
i understand this
but there he is (or maybe you cunt) advocating IIFYM

>>12326584
ill still advocate iifym, how much calories you want to eat changes depending on what is your current weight, senpai
too fat=eat less
too skinny=eat more

>>12326595
>how much calories you want to eat changes depending on what is your current weight
true.

why advocate iifym?
lets say you've had your steak or whatever to fill your protein. you still lack carbs and fats. why not eat gummy bears and potato chips to eventually fit your macros?
additionally, if you want to lose weight, you eat less calories. if you want to gain weight, you eat more calories. but in both cases you eat gummy bears and potato chips

>>12326671
sugar from gummies and saturated fats from vegetable oil that chips were made in does not fits your macros

>>12326678
in iifym saturated and unsaturated fats both only count as fats. you dont distinguish between fat from fries and fat from fish. same with carbs. stop advocating iifym

>>12326595
>ill still advocate iifym
>>12326678
>sugar from gummies and saturated fats from vegetable oil that chips were made in does not fits your macros

post iq

>>12326595
>ill still advocate iifym
>>12326678
>sugar from gummies and saturated fats from vegetable oil that chips were made in does not fits your macros

seems like you need to shut the fuck up. to be fair, you are in the right thread (to remind you, brain improvement general that is).
shut up and lurk.

could all be a joke on your part too, in that case. well, you got me.

>>12326681
alright, i actually fool proofed for berry picking idiots like you
in my 2nd post there is a list of aviable ingredients, saturated oil is not there
in the list of extrast i written no sugar, which doesnt allow you gummies
>>12326683
at least im not black
>>12326690
macro split is important, fuck you

>>12326700
im not black either, try another ad hominem.

fyi, IIFYM means if your goals in terms of fats, carbs and proteins are met, what you eat doesnt matter. so lets say you eat fish, nuts, vegetables and potatos. in IIFYM philosophy, that would be the same as eating burgers from mcdonalds (in both cases we assume the macro goals are met. lets also assume calories are the same)

to be fair, you provided a list of healthy foods. okay. so you imply that you dont really follow the IIFYM mindset, yet you explicitly advocate IIFYM.

post iq. post country.

>>12326716
i said no flour you dense brick, bread is made out of flour
burger patty was fried on vegetable oil, which is not on the list
in real macros you split between simple sugars and split between saturation of the oil and you even split between diary or meat protein

>>12326737
>in real macros you split between simple sugars and split between saturation of the oil and you even split between diary or meat protein
is this troll?
the whole concept of iifym is to be an easy to follow and sustainable diet
so as a casual all you have to do is to do some macro tracking and with little effort still have weight loss success (pareto principle)

>>12326914
the concept is more about keeping care of amount of protein, it doesnt really focus on losing weight

>>12326716
No u

>>12326737
please see... >>12326914
>the whole concept of iifym is to be an easy to follow and sustainable diet

what you are following is not IIFYM if you exclude certain foods. in IIFYM (x carbs, y fats, z protein) from burgers and fries is just as good as (x,y,z) from fish, vegetables and potatoes.
This is what you don't understand and/or dont want to understand.
Reject the label IIFYM or shut up forever

>>12326978
alright, how would you name it?
macros+calories?

>>12326982
balanced diet with some thought put into it to exclude unhealthy foods.

>>12326982
what i would not do is saying IIFYM is the endgame while showing this list

bump

why is playing music so cognitively invigorating?

>>12328105

You have ADHD

>>12323471
I started them 2 months a go, lets see

>>12326348
yes thats what i said retard

>>12328891
So why is that then?

>>12328891
>>12329762
I read something from I can't remember where that said listing to music often is a bad idea, because you're putting you brain into a music required state to emotionally function properly - basically dopamine addiction. This bullshit or no?

>>12329788
I have a music addiction and that's partially true, I can still focus without music but with music it's like a better focus. I don't know how to explain it further, it's like the focus without music is a bland focus while the one with music is a focus that flows smoothly and if I'm even more relaxed it's like nothing else is happening around me.

>>12329825
I can attest to pretty much everything you're saying so it makes me wonder if there would be some change to base level focus if I cut out listening to music when working on stuff

>>12329931
Probably over time you would get used to that base level focus again, but it's something that I wouldn't do because the music addiction isn't as bad as people make it out to be, and you get nice side benefits such as the improved focus, you will probably develop a better musical taste, you have something that always gets you calmed or relaxed if you are stressed which doesn't involve taking pills that destroys your body, and you will have the motivation to pick up a musical instrument which is always great. The noticeably bad things that could happen with a music addiction is that you'd probably use headphones all day and over time and also you would start to crank up the volume more which can either damage your ears severely in the long run or turn you deaf (rip Beethoven).

can you train your working memory?

like trying to memorize stacks of cards, numbers, ...

i feel like my memory is quite bad compared to my pattern recognition.

>>12329290
nigger faggot

>>12330104
RTS games

>>12330104
i learned the trick to memorize an entire deck and it might be just me deluding myself but i feel like i noticed a mild improvement to memory
i haven't done it in a while because i'm slow and dumb so it takes me 15 minutes and i often get 1 or 2 wrong but i think maybe doing it once a day before going to bed might be a good habit

>>12323425
My visual and spatial are generally awful. I get lost in places easily and visual is good only for very simple things like circles or triangles. I also think almost exclusively in monologue and process. Wtf? Am I retarded?

bump

>>12331913
what technique did you use?

>>12331849
fucks up dopamine sensitivity

>>12329788
>>12329825
>>12329931
/mu/ is my homeboard and for me and a lot of other people there, we can't even multitask with music. If I put on any music I enjoy then I literally autistically have to just stop whatever I'm doing, close all my application tabs and windows, stop looking at my monitor, and usually end up facing a wall or ceiling in a pitch black room with my eyes closed.

I just end up focusing 100% on the music with all other senses deprived (if I like it; otherwise I just turn it off). I can't put anything on as "background noise" or to help me focus. If I try to look for something, I inevitably skip through a million things just finding it all too boring and lackluster, and if I come across some minimal techno or something I actually like, then I usually find I can't concentrate on anything else due to the continuous euphoria and I just focus on nothing but the music.

It's really hard for me to find that balance between something that's not engaging enough to distract me and not so boring/bad that it bothers me and makes me wish I was listening to something better. I've just gotten extremely picky after listening to hundreds of albums over the past few years.

>>12333555
This is in the case of videogame addiction, in contexts where video games are used as training (for instance in studies done with surgeons improving their dexterity or submarine/tank pilots) it actually increases dopamine connectivity between several areas in the brain involved in visuospatial coordination and executive decision-making.

>>12326347
Switch metal with classical and it’s perfect

>>12333678
May maybe be.
I think Chess would be better than RTS though. It is not as addicting, too!

>>12333784
>chess
>not addictive

lol

>>12334099
what is more addictive, chess or league?

>>12334181
chess because it's not a total pile of steaming shit

>>12334460
ok then chess vs dota/starcraft/warcraft/...

>>12334471
chess because its not subject to the whims of developers who will change gameplay mechanics and shit

>>12323394
Same, anon

>>12330104
Check out the Mentat wiki

Unironically browsing this board and engaging in discussions and reading up on literature suggestions is a good way to keep your brain sharp and maybe even get some cognitive gains, especially if you read up on subjects outside of your field.

>>12333678
>(for instance in studies done with surgeons improving their dexterity or submarine/tank pilots)

But what kind of vidya did they play?

>>12335023
A mix. RPG, shooter, RTS. There are various studies on this.

>>12323298
As someone who has experimented with a bunch of nootropics, the best are
1. Tianeptine
2. Modafinil
3. Bromantane
4. Memantine

>>12335818
Modafinil should be #1

Does anyone else's brain legit does NOT work if you don't get more than ~9h? Every single time I get 8 or 7h I'm like a zombie operating at most at 40~% brain capacity. I think I will try one of these: >>12335818

>>12337146
I meant hours of sleep lol

>>12323298
Writing proofs has made me better at thinking things through an explaining myself. I used to just be an autist and could never get my ideas across. Writing proofs helped a ton.

I also do ketamine, although I think that makes me stupider. I drop words al the time. But it makes me not depressed, which helps get work done.

>>12337094
>Modafinil
I tried that in different dosages and does nothing besides fucking my sleep schedule.

playing dota 2 as invoker

>>12334983
how long have you been here?