/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12312130
>>12312124
>"For the good of mankind, I have directed NASA to undertake a series of planned orbital collisions, creating a blanket of protection around the Earth and preventing the spread of Covid19 to the rest of the solar system"

This is your new NASA administrator, say something nice about her!

>>12312141
doesn't work at ~ 200 km, where interplanetary missions would have their parking orbits

>>12312144
Didn't she get voted out?

>>12312144
Step aside, whore

Humans have no right to leave this planet until we've fixed
>poverty
>inequality
>pollution
>borders
>hate
And this is not negotiable.

>>12312165
Guess genocide is back on the menu then.

>>12312165
And that's a good thing

Time to evacuate

>>12312165
Just try and stop us

when are they gonna stop fucking around and build the lunar elevator?

>>12312165
>And this is not negotiable

War it is then.

>>12312181
Never, this is a prison and we will not be permitted to flee it.

>>12312181
I'm thinking maglev rail will be easier and work just as well. Can even be used to bomb earthmud if they are too annoying about the handouts from the "prosperous rich colonies in space with the clean water and air they've got".

What happened SpaceX bros? No more SN8 testing? Did we get too cocky?

>>12312222
Closures are on 9-11th of November. Should be static fire of 1, then 2 engines.

>>12312226
>distant whisper
>six hundred ((hurts))

>>12312226
But there are 3 engines

>>12312222
Didn't you hear bro? Space is cancelled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8p2JDTd13k

Estronaut's guide to Starship.

The falcon 9 is a space plane

>>12312274
Your mom is just a hooker.

>>12312288
on reentry the fuselage creates lift as it's oriented with gridfins. seethe

>>12312274
it's also a capsule

>>12312165
I don't recall SpaceX needing your permission to launch.

>>12312293
Your mom deals frequently with reentry.

>>12312274
Starship is a capsule

>>12312313
just admit you were wrong, it's ok i'll wait

>>12312310
Sorry sweaty, the environmental impact of burning thousands of tonnes of fuel every launch for some billionaires vanity project is unsustainable. All rockets must use hydrogen fuel only and be approved by the government with individual environmental impact reports for every launch.

>>12312260
wow this video it super redundant. is this normie hour?? anyone paying barely any attention knows all this shit.

anyway, science rules!!

>>12312323
I am 100% right that your mother solicits her body to complete strangers for the exchange of money and sometimes mcdonalds.

>>12312334
XDDDD

>>12312335
ok buddy, i can see you cant stop crying. falcon 9 is a lifting body, and you are 100% wrong about my mom btw

>>12312342
I don't know about falcon, but I definitely know about your mom.

SN4 explosion was the beginning of the end for SpaceX. They're gonna get someone killed, absolutely shameful.

>>12312130
Oh, Sparta.
For me it's Mars.

SN4 was the end of the beginning for SpaceX. The only issues slowing them down are minor mistakes rather than massive errors in design. It's going to be glorious.

SN4 is the midway into SpaceX. The development of Starship has been going nicely since then.

>>12312274
it wouldn't survive re-entry from orbital speeds; hence it's not a space plane

>>12312380
If you got a fully fueled Falcon 9 first stage into orbit somehow I bet you could pilot it down intact. Lots of entry burning and using the plume as a heat shield.

SN4 was largely irrelevant to SpaceX, as is any individual Starship prototype. Development runs hardware rich and getting attached to individual Starships is a bad idea. SN8 could RUD and all they'd do is put SN9 on the stand.

>>12312380
You're wrong

>>12312395
Man I love this old style magazine illustration
Glad spacex is bringing it back

>>12312389
>It's a space plane in a scenario that will never happen

>>12312396
damn. you got a point

Spaceship Two isn't a spaceplane because it can't reach space

>>12312416
duh, it's a space SHIP not plane. absolute retard

raptor design gives me the big willy. Have any other engines placed a turbofan right above the injection plate?

>>12312165
But all of those things are in Star Trek: Picard so...

>>12312460
and It's great how the increase in size is mostly vertical so they can stack more together side-by-side

when will SN8 be completed?

i think everyday astronaut has breasts....

I want to get there bros....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dri-mZkr8nE&feature=youtu.be

>>12312519

>>12312519
not until raptor department gets their shit together

Half of everything is luck, James...

I just bust a nut to a shiny metal cylinder, is this normal?

>>12312527
It's nominal

>>12312380
This is a spaceplane

>>12312537
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_plane_launched_from_space

Some interesting b-roll from DM2, but it's a bit chopped up.
https://youtu.be/I6ItDu6MXLc

Is there any raw cuts of this without edits in the archives?

>>12312562
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_plane_launched_from_space
no they lost the records oops

>Senate Confirms Non-Scientist James Webb as NASA Head
This is disgusting, fuck JFK

>>12312588
aged like milk

I hope there’s trench warfare on Mars. It’d be really fun to shoot slugs at some dude a kilometer away

>>12312605
Only a kilometer? There are already rifles on Earth that can make that shot, we're talking 30% gravity and essentially zero air resistance, try more like 3-5km. Your scope will have to be an actual telescope.

>>12312165
Their souls are weighted down by gravity, they may never be free.
https://youtu.be/GuVnZZ1sFIc

>>12312612
Based

>>12312611
Gotta make do with the hilly terrain. You could probably do some stupid CoD shit and throw little drones like a football

>>12312165
Poverty, Inequality, and Pollution can be greatly alleviated through access to the mineral and energy resources of the solar system. Space is not an escape or distraction from human problems, it is part of the solution.

>>12312611
>>12312605
>rifles
rifles are obsolete

>>12312658
"rifles are obsolete" says man who would shit his pants and run screaming if his front were not screened by riflemen

>>12312658
Mortars it is then, brother

>>12312658
>Rifles are absolute, that’s why huge portions of modern militaries are composed of infantrymen armed with them

>>12312686
those guys are LARPing

>>12312694
Yeah okay. Low-g infantry are gonna look like tanks from all the plates you can pack on

>>12312165
>>12312655
>Space is not an escape or distraction from human problems, it is part of the solution.
yup. The Apollo program itself has given a ton of technology, such as firefighter uniforms and better food seals, that has improved the lives of millions.

https://nypost.com/2019/07/08/seven-inventions-from-the-apollo-space-program-we-still-use-today/
https://www.npr.org/2019/07/20/742379987/space-spinoffs-the-technology-to-reach-the-moon-was-put-to-use-back-on-earth
https://spinoff.nasa.gov/

Martian SF/counterterrorism forces Rust Stalkers
>Armed with frangible ammo modified P90s and variable lethality service pistols for inside the compact cities of Mars
>The long range “Domebreaker” 50 cal gauss sniper rifle for long range takedowns
>Semipowered Rust stalker vacuum sealed armor capable of month long field operations along with their signature hooded cloak colored rust red of their homeworld to blend in with the sand and dust
>The trusty mattock, for digging, building and peeling open enemies at close range

>>12312744
>Not using a modernized version of the Steyr ACR with flachette ammo for maximum hit probability

>>12312750
>not just running the enemy over in cybertrucks with welded on armor made out of scrapped starship ALON panels and steel bulkheads

>>12312760
>*hits with RPG*
>Pssh... nothing personnel, Terran

>>12312707
NASA's spinoffs, while impressive, have never been a compelling piece of rhetoric to convince normies on the value of space exploration

>>12312772
Normies don’t care about space exploration and never have.

>>12312764
in that case, it's time to escalate
>blocks your path

>>12312744
>not HK G11

>>12312744
>No Steyr AUG

Ngmi

We're entering the neo-dark ages bros. But Mars is the new world and our destiny.

>>12312612
SIEG ZEON

go ahead, defend this

>>12312996
titanium a shit

>>12312165
The election's over, there's no need to falseflag as an SJW to dupe people into voting repub

>>12312194
Big talk from someone whose bones are made of glass from all that microgravity.

>>12313011
>The election's over

You have no idea what is at play....

>>12312996
go ahead, defend this

>>12312996
At least the issue was easy to solve. Unlike spaghetti code.

>>12312293
>The apollo capsule is a spaceplane.

>>12312996
it's blown up in operation exactly the same number of times starliner has docked with the international space station

>>12313024
cope

>>12313028
Now you get it ;)

FLOP WHEN!?

>>12313033
Cope

>>12313039
>shouts from the mountaintop
>(((SIX HUNDRED HZ)))

>>12312996
They did.

>>12313033
Not that guy, not even american, but you have to be a retard to think orange man will just go quietly leave after this shitshow.
Also, why are people who have been claiming for 4 years now that trump cheated the election now claiming that it's impossible to cheat the election?

>>12313052
He's going to go when his time is up. He was never looking for a revolution, just wants to make as much noise as possible.

>>12313052
well the campaign is looking for an out with Trump TV. i wonder if Trump TV will have a spaceflight themed mini series

>>12313064
Keep telling yourself that. We’re living in the fall 30’s before the storm of the 40’s.

>>12312772
That's why I advocate for Space Exploitation instead. It'd be easier to sell someone on the idea of mining without damaging an ecosystem than it is to convince them of the value of tangentially related spinoff technologies - though those technologies ARE genuinely valuable.

>>12313052
>Also, why are people who have been claiming for 4 years now that trump cheated the election now claiming that it's impossible to cheat the election?
It's called hypocrisy.

>canada approved starlink
>leafs can now sign up for the beta
more cash for the mars fund
https://twitter.com/ISED_CA/status/1324790429947174913

>>12313086
Weimar republic 2.0 western hemisphere edition.

>>12312274
It is filled mostly with helium on landing so it is clearly a space zeppelin

Where my virgin galactic hater bros at?

>>12313128
can that helium be recycled and reused or do they have to shell out for new stuff every time?

>>12313132
At least the shuttle got 130ish launches. Virgin has 10 years, 4 corpses and nothing to show for it.

>>12313039
whether it crashes or succeeds it's going to be top-class entertainment either way. Really looking forward to it.

>>12313139
that's one hell of a way to put it my dude

>>12313139
4 corpses is something to show.

>>12313132
>virgin galactic is so irrelevant even its shills don't know anything about it

>>12313132
They screwed up after the first accident. Shouldn't have slowed down to SLS levels.

>>12313132
why does it need that retarded feather wing thing?

>>12313132
>feeding the trolls

>>12313132
Based stratolaunch.

>>12313161
ellipses = boomer virgin investor

>stands in your path

>Following a successful repair, the team plans to conduct the Green Run wet dress rehearsal and hot fire testing before the end of the year

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2020/11/06/hurricane-zeta-impacts-sls-green-run-testing-status-update/

>>12313187
omgomgomgomg bros is it happening?!!

>>12313181
>Stands but doesn't launch
you got that right

>>12313187
Great news!

>>12313187
BASED SLS
Never let the haters get you down SLS bros

>>12313187
Can't wait to see the 2014 Green Run test in 2021. I just can't believe that it's already happening in 2025. Just imagine how cool the 2030 first launch will be. We might even have a humanned lunar flyby in 2035. 2040 is shaping up to be a busy year in spaceflight

>>12313195
Is it about the SLS?

>>12313201
>a humanned lunar flyby
>humanned

>>12313209
extra PC term for "manned"

>>12313209
The poster is an alien.

>>12313213
>>12313209
Personned

>>12313195

>>12313252
So am autonomous craft would be "unpersoned"?

>>12313202
n-no

>>12312996
that's why we test :)

>>12313025
>crickets
perfect

>>12313159
Shitty design; otherwise it'd lawn dart into the atmosphere too fast and hard. Rather than 'feathering', they could have put two more conventional air brakes on the thing (one on the back and the other on the belly) and it would accomplish the same thing, with the added advantage of not causing instant vehicle breakup if the mechanism is deployed while still ascending in the atmosphere.

This thing is launching in a few hours.
Man why don't the chinks ever livestream their lauches?

>>12313252
male'd

>>12313312
>Man why don't the chinks ever livestream their lauches?
Public support for the CCP space program in China is irrelevant, and broadcasting HD livestreams is free intelligence for USA.

>>12313324
But this a private space launch

>>12313324
Retard
They put up videos of the launches after their done, heres the one from earlier today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWC-_EvMCtE
Care tell exactly what is hidden here but not on livestreams?

>>12313202
THE MERCEDES SLS

>>12313209
>huwomanned

>>12313309
hmmm anyone got the meme pic?

>>12313329
>china
>private

>>12313329
>private
>China

>>12313312
Livestreamed failures are embarrassing.

>>12313351
>>12313352
/sfg/ hivemind confirmed

>>12313312
bc chinkies are pussy. and we have one in the thread with us right now :^)

>>12313357
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
ONE OF US

Contolism is the ideology of the future!

I really want to meet Jim Bridenstine. I want to shake his hand and smile and ask him for a hug. Do you think I have any chance of fulfilling my dream? I wonder how warm he is and strong

>>12313336
They don't put them up if they fail because BAD FOR GRORY OF CHINA.
Like the fucking pussies they are.

>>12312996
move fast and break things bro

berger retweeted my joke once. hes alright by me

>>12313392
bribe him with a refreshing mtn dew (r)

>>12313337
More likely to get to orbit than the Space Launch System.

>>12313324
Who do they think they're kidding? New Zealand has this level of rocket tech. The fucking Norks could if you have them money.

>>12313392
Have you ever wanted to stare directly into Jim's eyes and feel together for a 10min stretch? If so, please enjoy this clip

https://archive.org/details/iss058m260671356_Administrator-Message_SpX_DM-1_Splashdown

>>12313392
If the estronaut can you it, (You) can do it.

>>12313434
bro this is actually 10 straight minutes of Jim staring at the camera and ocassionally smiling/sniffing. what the fuck

>>12313434
>>12313445
Never change, /sfg/

>>12312165
>proverty
sure but the issue is. Is to make sure the poor have a decent life.
>inequality
never going to happen.
>pollution
sure but believing in mainstream liberalism and liberalism in general wont fix that lol.
>borders
So i guess you want chaos to happen
>hate
Its not wrong to hate evil or scum

Wonder if Jim goes to Spacex or tries to get back into politics if he’s fired.
He’s unironically probably the only Republican right now who has a high approval rating with Democrats

>>12312165
Chinks give absolutely no fuck about this good luck catching up when they are 20 years ahead because USA went full retard.

>>12313474
I hope he stays in politics, or maybe lobbies for newspace. I just finished watching this video of Jim from 2010. He really has been a champion for commercial space from the very beginning-
https://youtu.be/keGPbg8RCqs

>>12313415
Sending a mercedes SLS on the Starship as a shitpost?
I can already see the shitposty tweet from Elon.
>A little boost for the SLS to get to orbit

>>12313495
>orbiting Mars by the mid-2030s
god I forgot how laughable Obama space goals were

What do you guys think of isar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmK4HPOIp0A
Their spectrum rocket uses chilled propane

>>12313536
What is it? Someone made a blender scene? When is it coming out?

>>12313611
It's one of the 3 rockets that got money from the ESA a few days ago https://spacenews.com/esa-awards-e1-5-million-to-three-german-launch-startups/
They're gonna be launching from that new launch site in norway and seems they're aiming for maiden launch next year.

>>12313620
Ah yes ESA... the space agency with plenty of money to throw around at private companies to do something meaningful

soon

>>12312181
The Moon's gravity is low enough, you can probably get away with a Mass Driver instead for an orbital type elevator for most cargo.

why doesn't spacex use the falcon heavy to launch starlink sats? It would be more efficient and cheaper, right? Though on the other hand putting 3 boosters in the refurbishment pipe is maybe too much?

>>12313536
>not reusable
>fancy cgi
>receiving only $500,000 in funding
How very European.

>>12313672
They wouldn't really get that many more sats under the fairing. The payload volume is pretty full up for Starlink launches as it is.

>>12313679
Oh yeah, I had completely forgotten that the FH is currently held back by its faring size. Thanks. Are there any plans to expand it or has that been shelved for startship?

>>12313680
>Has the balls to put a giant hydrogen egg between two massive vibrating SRBs.

>>12312996
I can :)
>test vehicle explodes after incompetent employee touches the wrong valve
Faggot

upcoming closures. I guess daytime closures are ok again.

>>12313681
I asked that same thing last thread but I don't think there's been any recent news. I'm pretty sure an extended fairing and a FH vertical integration building were funded as part of some DOD launch contracts, but I don't know if that was finalized or even if I'm just imagining it.

>>12313691
I think the judge just asked them to keep those to a minimum, not that they weren't allowed to do them.

>>12313691
>>12313726
Assuming everyone moves out of town, would they still need to go through the process of scheduling road closures every single time they want to test?

>>12313680
literally everything about this is wrong

>>12313729
Yes, because in Texas beaches are public by default. The road closure is not relevant for remaining Boca Chica people, it impacts access to the beach. Eventually Spacex is going to need to lobby for some legislature that gives them favorable parameters for exceptions to that law.

>>12313737
It's specifically made to trigger people with autism

>>12313741
is the SLS specifically made to give jews money

>>12313536
>carbon copy of the 2016 ITS presentation
>even the crane looks the same
lmao

>>12313663
yeah, the lack of atmosphere matters more than the low gravity tho.

>>12313745
The music is nearly exactly the same too lmao...

>>12313028
it doesn't have any stubby bits so it can't be a spaceplane
clip some wings into it first
>>12313729
yes, the beach is public and it can't not be public

Why do people still reply to obvious bait?

>>12313764
It's something fun to do when spaceflight news is lacking

>>12313764
Bait taste good

>>12313652
Which rocket is that?
>>12313691
Would be pissed if i lived in Brownsville
>>12313729
There's a town nearby with 10,000 people. They use this beach.
>>12313620
Gimme a quick rundown, are all there small sat launchers?
If so rocketlab has already eaten that market.
>>12313474
He will be fired, no doubt.

R8 our new upper/vacuum stage

>>12313797
Firefly Aerospace's "Alpha" rocket
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1324842555952037889

>>12313813
can't even orient the page/10

>>12313818
I think 4chan fucks up mobile photos. Something to do with the encryption or something. It deletes all orientation data or something

>>12313760
>it doesn't have any stubby bits so it can't be a spaceplane
The heat shield is stubby and produces lift

>>12313835
The entire F9 cylinder produces lift. Falcon 9 is a space plane

>>12313829
4channel.org™ discriminates against phoneposters because they're universally awful

>>12313797
You sound like an insufferable faggot, your post formatting is terrible and you are mass replying. Get the FUCK off my board you reddit tier CUNT.

>>12313883
fuck anon calm down

>>12313883
this anon is correct in every assertion

>>12313883
I'm sorry anon English isn't my first language, sorry if I come across as insufferable.
I didn't mean to.

>>12313883
I'm sorry anon I'll try to rephrase to sound less insufferable next time.
English isn't my first language so it's hard to convey the tone.

>Starlink just approved in Canada.
https://twitter.com/ISED_CA/status/1324790429947174913

>>12313972
nice, but was already posted

>>12312165
Thats why I have been advocating for geniciding south-America and turning it into a wildlife preserve.

Inequality is easily fixed by nuking New york and California since they waste most of the resounrces on earth

>>12313797
>There's a town nearby with 10,000 people. They use this beach.
SpaceX hired ~1000 people there. If each one provides an avg of 2.5 that's 2500 people supported or 25 percent of the town.

>>12313969
Don't mind him anon, there was noting wrong with your post

>>12313972
>just approved
You're like 12 hours late

Will there be depression on Mars?

1st India launch in 2020 soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct-zBHCA2jc&ab_channel=ISROOfficial

>>12314242
Starship crater, yes.

>>12314259

>>12314255
>Those camera angles, diagrams
It's like NASA in the early 90s lmao, just a lot dirtier

>>12314259
>Forget about electing the president of the US. We've already done that. We should just go straight to electing the president of the Earth.

>>12314259
>We're already done that
Oh, yeah, digging some regolith and planting a flag on it. No need to get back to the closest, most accessible celestial body and also a great resource for scientific studies and projects and a "gateway" of sorts to other bodies.

>>12314259
I guess we'll just let China build their mass drivers their instead :^) not like the moon is the literally highest vantage point to build weapons on or anything haha

>>12314268
i love it,it's comfy

well done india, hope you fucks put people in space ASAP

POOS JUST LAUNCHED A ROCKET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkbQ3ypi1dQ

>>12314259
Is this new? Bongo literally said that some years ago.

>bug and poo launches today
you know its a slow news week when sfg is talking about this

Are y’all gonna be watching the new Nickelodeon kids movie about little kid astronauts?

>>12314259
good thing dems arent taking the senate. mark needs to get his shit together

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEQnKs3qRzc&ab_channel=SpaceExplorerW

Cute!

>>12314304
Vishnu yeet this bitch.

Falcon Heavy is real. You've seen it down at Hawthorne. We're building the center core. We have all the Merlins done, ready to be put on the test stand at McGregor.

Realisticly speaking:
What benefit does SLS have over a FH with a streched upper stage?

>>12314259
Had your chance fuckers, Mars is ours now. NASA will fuck around in the kiddy pool and like it.

>>12314474
It's real, it exists, it can carry American astronauts safely into deep space. It's not that simple to just stretch stages and add payload adapters it's not simple in rocketry you can't just do it like that. Sure it can happen someday but it's not now.

>>12312165
the great filter.

Surely banning anyone from leaving the Earth is making the atmosphere a border? Checkmate Commie. Except your worse that a Commie as they were the first to fuck away off into orbit to get a break from Communism for a while.

>>12313829
>phoneposter
>doesn't understand EXIF rotation
phoneposters were a mistake

>>12312144
will they really kick out the current guy ? he looks nice and charming

>>12314506
>It's real
The costs are real.
>it exists
I have yet to see one fly.
>it can carry American astronauts
Only Soyuz and Falcon-9 can do that.
>safely into deep space
Yea, about as safe as the vehicle that gave NASA the nickname "need another seven astronauts"...
>It's not that simple to just stretch stages and add payload adapters
FH and Falcon upper stage hafe lots of thrust to spare, the need to throttle down to not crush their payloads.
>it's not simple in rocketry you can't just do it like that.
Next thing you say is that you can't just weld tanks from stainless steel out in the open somewhere in Texas...

what the fuck are these spacex retards doing, the sn8 has been at the pad for a month, nothing is happening, what's so hard in replacing a couple of engines, they've been doing this since sn5?

>>12314520
>the great filter.
The great filter is caused by virtuous suicide memes.

Collective suicide to save ourselves from overpopulation!
Collapse growth, progress and collective suicide to save ourselves from environmental degradation!
Kill technology, by means of technology to save ourselves from technology!
Kill free speech to save ourselves from free speech!

>B-b-b-but I meant kill everyone else and all their rights, ownership and achievement, not my own! No wait stop why are you putting me against the wall I'm doing it right I destroyed and killed for our good cause why are you turning on me! Reeeee

Why is doomsday ideology so attractive to the super loud mainstream brainlets?

>>12314562
>what the fuck are these spacex retards doing, the sn8 has been at the pad for a month, nothing is happening
They'll fly it straight to Mars just to get away from us election drama.

>>12314561
>Next thing you say is that you can't just weld tanks from stainless steel out in the open somewhere in Texas...
considering that those tanks blew up more often then not, that is really a poor point to make

>>12314562
spacex is a fucking fraud, havent you figured it out yet? raptor development is in shambles, they basically need a massive change to raptor, build three new ones, test successfully, and swap out the ones in SN8. the hop is delayed to NET Q2 2021

>>12314592
What's so hard in building a couple of engines, they've been churning out new serial numbers every week, it's been two weeks since they replaced them?

>>12314585
Only two failures were related to welds. And I'd say Mk1 was a meme regardless, so in reality, only one failure.

>>12312165
The universe is probably filled by graves of single planet civilizations who thought space exploration is a pointless endeavor, they are studied and remembered by those who made the irrational decision to go to space.

>>12312191
Holy shit pic rel is going to become real

>>12314606
imagine being this deluded

>>12312165
take your own hatred out of this thread.

>>12313194
I mean it does have turtles on that coat of arms so atleast it's being honest

>>12314610
>they are studied and remembered by those who made the irrational decision to go to space.

The ultramensch who went into space seek the worlds of extinct intelligent civilizations.
And they build self repairing mechanisms that eternally teabags the remnant civilizations. A big hairy immortalized closed ecosystem ballsack slapping into their dead face forever.

>>12312130
>Biden is president

>NASA gets funds again
>Moon is back in the menu
>Mars will be the place for humanity and not for some retarded evil billionaires

Feels good to be human again

>>12312165
>poverty
Kill the poor.
>inequality
Kill the inferiors
>pollution
Kill those who cares
>borders
Kill everyone who resists and expand the border around the planet
>hate
Kill them by dropping a rock from orbit on them.

Easiest way to do this is by going into space and then starting the orbital bombardments.

>>12314678
>Easiest way to do this is by going into space and then starting the orbital bombardments.
Sieg Zeon!

Article of the day
>SpaceX's planned landing site
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arcadia_Planitia

>>12314726
Is that really a good idea considering once mars is terraformed arcadia planitia is gonna be one of the first places to fill up with water?

>>12314677
>NASA's budget is re-appropriated 50/50 climate science and educational outreach
>American reliance on newspace to actually reach or do anything in orbit turns space into an anarcho capitalist utopia
>#teamhumanity openly slaughtered in the streets
Feels good to manifest destiny again.

>>12314754
Terraforming is evil, anti-capitalist, and will be purged.

>>12314629
Holy shit, are you actually fucking retarded? Look it up yourself if you don't believe me

>>12314754
Initial settlement benefits from below """sea""" level altitude because
>easier aero braking
>increased radiation protection
>reduced temperature swings?
>lower rate of sublimation?

>>12314764
explain

>>12314883
>nibbling
don't give it (You)s

>>12314259
THE LOOP IS STARTING AGAIN

>>12314883
What part do you struggle with? Planets and moons are giant resource deposits. Covering something like Mars with a thick atmosphere and liquid water ocean, aside from soaking up unfathomable amounts of power and resource expenditure on its own, only disrupts resource collection and destroys the existing planetwide infrastructure that would inevitable crop up much faster than terraforming could take place. Terraforming is the process of engineering an apocalyptic disaster and acting smug about it because "hehe it looks like muh urf now". Fuck that shit. On top of that, the amount of earth-like surface area is pitiful compared to what you would get from actually utilizing planetary resources in the form of off-world colonies.

>>12314755
>educational outreach
I know you said this tongue-in-cheek, but I don't get why NASA focused on outreach at all when they haven't done anything significant in years. SpaceX has done more for space outreach than NASA by actually doing stuff and showing it off. What did NASA or the government hope to achieve by having outreach programs with little to show for? Dazzle kids with their future mission concepts that are pretty much science fiction?

>>12314915
>"you just want to go outside? without a suit? Fuck off commie!"
Terraform every surface, every moon. Enclose the gas giants in big metal spheres, terraform the surfaces of those too. Colonize the sun.

>>12314259
Someone needs to smack some sense into her.

>>12314936
>hurr I just want to go outside
Go outside on a fucking o'neill cylinder instead of crashing an entire interplanetary economy for a science project, nigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcXBuYwm3xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikoNQNj9ZnU
Nice channel, though some concepts are way too in the future.

>>12314046
there is around 3000 people spacex hired for boca chica so far apparently

>>12314506
>It's not that simple to just stretch stages
SpaceX did it several times with Falcon 9 and had no issues.

What are the ethics of having babies and raising children in space?
Should "right to visit urf atleast once" be a human right?

>>12314956
yeah that article has a lot of BS numbers

>>12314956
So that's like 75% of family

>>12314963
It's still up in the air if we even can.

>>12314976
wha happen to jello baby anon

>>12314943
>>12314936
>>12314915
Terraforming is the ultimate chad move. Imagine taking an entire planet and forcing it into submission, changing everything about it just to make it easier for yourself. You make the planet your bitch just because you can't be bothered to wear a space suit.
What would the planet's father think of you changing her just for your own convenience?

The Virgin space suiter
The Chad terraformer

>>12314269
>president of Earth
Prime Minister.

>>12314879
Still wouldn't it be best to land next to one of the dried river valleys rather than in the middle of what will one day be an ocean?
Seems like the best compromise if you ask me between all options

>>12314915
>acting smug about it because "hehe it looks like muh urf now". Fuck that shit.
Why are you using emotional arguments instead of logical ones? Are you a woman?

>>12314992
>gets torn apart by mining town locals protecting their investments before thousand-year long project can get off the ground
i-i was supposed to be a chad b-bros i was gonna make that planet my bitch i swear

>>12314999
You have that backwards. Terraforming is an emotional response. The entire basis is "I don't feel good because suits"

>>12315007
You act like pressurized suits, pressurized homes, pressurized vehicles and all the safety measures necessary to keep it that way and not let any of the toxic martian atmosphere in has zero cost.

>>12315002
Virgin spacesuiter detected

>>12315007
>no u
Great response 10/10, upvoted and gilded.

>>12315014
Just build large domes. Or live underground.
This virus lockdown has taught me i can stay at home indefinitely as long as there's AC and Internet.

>>12315034
That doesn't address a single point I brought up

>>12315014
>that stuff has cost
Yeah, no shit. It's 1. meaningless next to terraforming if you had any sense of scale and 2. an investment in something that makes value instead of an investment in something that consumes vast amounts of space welfare for generations just to eventually make a supposedly earth-like surface inferior to what you get on a colony which itself destroys all of the money-making endeavors present in the process. And you want to talk about maintenance? "Earth-like" is transient, Earth has no trouble relapsing into a near-dead iceball. Controlling an ecosystem with earth-scale momentum behind it is as big of a project as terraforming in the first place is.
>worried about keeping out Martian atmosphere
Maintaining a positive pressure differential against near-vacuum is not a challenge lol

Chinese private rocket maiden flight, successful
https://mobile.twitter.com/TGMetsFan98/status/1325105685789601793

>>12315022
cope

>>12315042
"private"

>>12315042
Always love more successful launch companies
Even if it is just soild sticks

Terraforming isn't going to happen in our lifetime, so why discuss it? Our descendents will have much better tech, so our discussions are moot.

>>12315042

>>12312362
how does a jet with wings work on a planet with negligible atmosphere?

>>12315054
>by the time the voyagers leave the solar system we'll have much more advanced propulsion allowing us to retrieve them

>>12315064
It's an electric propeller.
>atmosphere
Just go very fast to get the equivalent dynamic pressure.

>>12315064
aren't they sending a small helicopter drone to Mars?

>>12315042
How many do they employ as a company?

>>12312130
>the moon
haha, artemis is canceled, trump won't be dictating where we are going anymore!

>>12315081
Somehow, despite all the scientists being strongly opposed to it because no fun allowed and muh wasted mass.

>>12315096
>he doesnt know about the 4ASS norf lunar base

>>12315054
Because it's fun? The only reason why anyone does anything.
Most, if not all people here will never leave Earth but we still talk about space all day.

>"We have been given the scientific knowledge, the technical ability, and the materials to pursue the exploration of the universe. To ignore these great resources, would be a corruption of a God given ability."
Based as fuck.

In all seriousness, what would be the easiest way to increase the temperature and pressure of the Martian atmosphere?

I'm thinking giant mylar sheet in orbit that reflect sunlight onto the poles to sublimate the ice. Back of the envelope calculations tell me that a Starship with 100 ton payload to Mars orbit can carry enough Mylar sheeting to make a mirror 5,000 square km, or 71km per side.
Focus that onto a single square metre and it will instantly vapourize anything on the surface.

If we are seriously going to the space we need to develop three things.
Super heavy lifters, like the Sea Dragon, to take cargo from Earth to Orbit
Nuclear rockets, to power spaceships that will remain in space and will move to the Moon or planets.
and finally planet landers that can deliver a significant quantity of cargo.

Until we don`t have that, our attemps will not be serious and are condemned to fail because we are using inefficient methods and is not economical.
The worst thing is that we have the tech since the 70s, but politics got in the way.

>>12315158
There wouldn't be enough ice by a long shot. To get an atmosphere you would just have to carve giant channels of molten rock with lenses, releasing C02. Eventually you would get an atmosphere of decent pressure and heat, able to sustain liquid water. But you couldn't breathe it because its C02 and where the fuck are you going to get nitrogen anyway. But at least you could walk around with no pressure suit, just a respirator.

>>12315173
>nuclear cargo tug with cargo around a central axis
Would it make more sense to stack the cargo containers "on top" of each other on a plate with the rest of the spacecraft "below" the plate?

The media is saying Biden won.
You burgers told me he wont keep the program alive.

Can we scrap the shuttle debris already?

>>12315173
>throwing away a giant rocket that is impossible to make work anyway
Gay

>orbit to orbit craft
Gay, your craft should go from surface to surface, stop wasting dv and making shit more complicated you dumb nigger.

>landers
Gay, same as above.

Starship is what we need and it's being worked on right now.

>>12315173
Starship fills the role for all of this. a 9m diameter bullet not only gets you a fuck ton of space for crew/cargo, but Elon isn't building them at two billion dollars a pop like other companies historically would. The only thing that could make starship better would be a ferry system to cut down the travel time to Mars, but that is insignificant. Not to mention the fact that an 18m+ variant can do so much more and is already in the mind of SpaceX. I don't know what you mean by "seriously going to space" (I like your picture though)

>>12315177
>You burgers told me he wont keep the program alive.
Source on this? I thought SLS was unkillable politically and the only difference that a president makes is what to do with it

>>12315180
And where is the technology for that right now?
When you invent an antigravity engine, come back to us, until then, this is the only tech we have.

oh my god lol
It's definitely election time! Look at the bright side, now we have a chance to make space bipartisan.

>>12315184
There is a difference.
Everyone knows modern NASA is all trannies and wymin. Trump just didn't have the guts to kill it. But since Biden is endorsed by media, he doesn't need to pay.

>>12315188
What the fuck are you talking about schizo, do you even follow these threads you retarded tourist? Take your meds and fuck off to where you came from.

>>12315181
>Starship fills the role for all of this.

Yes, but is a jack of all trades, in reality good enough to go to the moon, but not Mars, why because fuel.
Now, if you were to retrofit it with a nuclear rocket and leave one for the role of planetary transportation, then it would be fine.

>>12315196
Where is the tech?
Yeah, I though so...

>>12315184
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the reason the SLS is politically invincible is because of congress, not the president.

>>12315199
Well no one is paying for the gorillion dollar pipe dream nuclear engine that somehow doesn't need fuel and chemical engines work just fine despite your baseless claim.

>>12315199
Don't get me wrong anon nuclear rockets are cool. But I think you are fantasizing their power like they will fix everything.

>>12315042
>here's your launch pad bro

>>12315206
>I have no private sectrr but I must raunch

>>12315202
Starship is using rocket engines like you posted, now go back

>>12315176
>he doesn't know abput hte pendulum rocket fallacy
https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/9682/why-are-rocket-engines-at-the-base-of-the-rocket

>>12315211
oh wait nvm you said cargo on top not engines

>>12315199
I'm not sure anon. That flipping stunt on landing approach looks surreal. Imagine the loads on the ship and the many ways of losing equilibrium. I'm calling it a meme until proven otherwise.

>>12314955
this guy is a massive retawwd

>>12315211
A pendulum rocket might help with cutting down dry mass as tensile structures tend to be lighter than compressive ones, but cargo containers have to be strong compressively by design so stacking them against the direction of thrust. As for the increase in dry mass, a space program with regular cargo trips would definitely require the use of widely distributed and regular propellant dep

>>12315153
link vid?

>>12315158
in all seriousness, crash Ceres into Mars

>>12315206
>Takes picture
>Gets executed

>>12315233
Livestream the event for maximum ad revenue

>>12315188
>where is the technology for that right now
Boca Chica, Texas.

>>12315236
I just see a giant soda can with weird protrusions on the sides.

Will humans have to collectively sell our souls to the devil to get reactionless drive tech? Will it ever be a thing? It frustrates me that we don't even have a hypothetical way to build one aside from "heh you just need the mass-energy requirement of exotic matter the size of Jupiter, oh and it might not even work anyways heh heh"

>>12315204
>nuclear engine that somehow doesn't need fuel and chemical engines work just fine despite your baseless claim.

>Under some scenarios by which the company aims to send humans to Mars, a Super Heavy rocket would launch a Mars-bound Starship to low-Earth orbit. At that point, the spacecraft would need to top its fuel tanks back up in order to get its payload all the way to the Red Planet. It's estimated that five Starship launches' worth of fuel (as payload) would be required to refuel a single Mars-bound Starship in low-Earth orbit, and this would involve the transfer of hundreds of tons of methane and liquid oxygen.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/07/nasa-agrees-to-work-with-spacex-on-orbital-refueling-technology/

Versus (in real applications)
>The reactors aboard the George Washington contain enough nuclear fuel to fully power the ship and all of its onboard needs for approximately 20 years.
https://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-wants-678-million-to-refuel-this-ship-2015-2

One lift and you have a nuclear engine, ready to use, that will need refuelling in 20 years, against 5 refuellings in orbit for trip.
Chances are you will have to stablish something like this in the Moon
https://www.space.com/30838-manned-mars-mission-moon-refueling.html
To make it cheaper than refuelling from Earth.

> urr urr fantasy nuclear rocket
Is technology that exists since the 60s retard

>asteroid headed towards earth
>fill up a cargo starship with nukes and ram it

>>12315233
>In all Ceresness

>>12315248
>It frustrates me that we don't even have a hypothetical way to build one aside from "heh you just need the mass-energy requirement of exotic matter the size of Jupiter, oh and it might not even work anyways heh heh"
not jupiter, the voyager probes, so around 700 kilograms worth of negative energy. and we know how to make it work if you have the negative energy, we just don't know how to produce the negative energy

>>12315250
You still need reaction mass, stupid. That was the argument

>>12315250
10 million dollars to send 150 tons to mars isn't a bad cost. That is only 66.66 dollars per kilogram on mars.

>>12315210
Really? Starship is using nuclear engines? Did you take your meds today?
NUUURRSEEEEEE! Anon is posting again!

>>12315244
Yes, because that's the cheapest way to make a rocket.

>>12315261
You can just say $67

>>12315250
>all that shit

Still needs reaction mass (aka FUEL) you fucking retard.

>>12315244
>crack
>siiiiiiiip
>"yep, that's a rocket"

>>12315260
Which can be carried by one rocket from Earth, no five like with conventional rockets.
1 is smaller than 5 anon, therefore cheaper.

>>12315267
>Starship is using nuclear engines
In concept, that would be kinda cool.

>>12315277
I'm done talking to you

>>12315273
Yeah and pi equals 3

>>12315217
the flip is only neccesary for the prototypes using cold gas RCS, the hot gas RCS should be able to reorient the rocket without lighting the Raptors horizontally

>>12315277
What the fuck? What are you even saying anon

>>12315260
>>12315274

Oh for fucks sake, I am surrounded by retards

>One of the reasons nuclear-powered rockets are promising is because they offer incredible energy density. The uranium fuel used in nuclear reactors has an energy density that is 4 million times higher than hydrazine, a typical chemical rocket propellant. It is much easier to get a small amount of uranium to space than hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel.
>Why aren’t there nuclear powered rockets yet?
>Nuclear thermal propulsion systems have been studied since the 1960s but have not yet flown in space.
>Regulations first imposed in the U.S. in the 1970s essentially required case-by-case examination and approval of any nuclear space project from multiple government agencies and explicit approval from the president. Along with a lack of funding for nuclear rocket system research, this environment prevented further improvement of nuclear reactors for use in space.
https://theconversation.com/to-safely-explore-the-solar-system-and-beyond-spaceships-need-to-go-faster-nuclear-powered-rockets-may-be-the-answer-137967

>During the sixth meeting of the National Space Council (NSC) today (Aug. 20), the NASA chief lauded the potential of nuclear thermal propulsion, which would harness the heat thrown off by fission reactions to accelerate propellants such as hydrogen to tremendous speeds.
>Spacecraft powered by such engines could conceivably reach Mars in just three to four months — about half the time of the fastest possible trip in a vehicle with traditional chemical propulsion, said NSC panelist Rex Geveden, the president and CEO of BWX Technologies Inc.
https://www.space.com/nuclear-propulsion-future-spacecraft-nasa-chief.html

>>12315282
Sure, even you understood that you don`t make any sense.
Well finally

>>12315277
I'm not sure it is cheaper, you'd have to have a good cost estimate on nuclear rockets – and convince Congress that letting a private company play with nuclear rockets is a good idea.

Conventional
>Starship to orbit (<$5M fuel, plus cost of Starship)
>5 tanker flights (~$5m fuel each, but tankers reusable many times)

Nuclear
>Starship to orbit
>SLS to orbit because Congress demands nuclear payloads only fly on SLS
>on orbit replacement of 3 Raptor cluster for NERVA
>reconfigure tankage on-orbit to only hold fuel, no need for oxidizer
>test fire NERVA in orbit, because it'll have to do the job of landing rocket on Mars
>then send up one tanker

So you've saved $20M worth of tanker flights and added a $1B SLS flight, plus orbital welding development.

>>12315292
YOU, YOU are the fucking retard. Every article you have linked to talks about energy density. But that is energy density of the NUCLEAR REACTOR. You still need to carry Hydrogen to shoot through the fucking reactor. Just because you have a nuclear engine with a big ol' reactor that will work for a hundred years doesn't mean you can just turn it on and get thrust with no propellant

>>12315290
>>12315282
He's not wrong that a nuclear Starship would need less refueling to get to Mars. He's wrong that it would be cheaper, because now you've spent billions developing and launching a nuclear engine complex for Starship and assembling it in orbit (because Congress will never let Starship fly nuclear cargo until it's been flying safely for decades).

Before: >>12315275
After: >>12312364

>>12315284
Because that's the same thing

>>12315305
I was just trying to be edgy, I thought it was a dumb post after I sent it if it makes you feel better lmao

>>12315295
fucking globist retard

>>12315303
why did they remove the ad placement?

>>12315292
Yes, nuclear offers far greater energy density but you still need reaction mass to pass through it in order to convert it into motion, so if you use any for a second stage, you'll need to get more
Second, NTRs aren't a thing primarily out of concern for irradiating huge areas when used in the upper atmosphere and NIMBYfags. The first one is a valid concern although an indirect NTR/power cycle could eliminate that and NIMBYfags are everywhere and very loud so large-nosed politicians will side with them as with all nuclear tech

>>12315232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYzlLhinEeQ

>>12315313
Mtn Dew won the new ad bidding, but they haven't made a new banner for Starship yet.

>>12315280
all the starship variants are going to be sick
>cargo
>human transport
>tanker
>deep space
>lunar
>mars
>E2E
>space debris collector
>base variant (flies to a body and stays there)
probably not thinking of some other applications

>>12315329
>towship
>M2M
>space brothel
>missile carrier

>>12315337
>armed space-force applications
I hope I live to see this

Portable constructor that turns regolith and martian steel into prefabricated concrete sections that are bolted together for cheap/expandable bases, a full town can just produce more sections for expanding industry and population

>>12315329
Kek wasn’t the original plan to have a universal variant only slightly changed to “crew, cargo, tanker”? this has gotten out of control. If Musk is really going to make this many types I at least hope he can keep it cheap. Also I hope this opens a door for every starship to be a little bit different from others i.e. one crew variant might have different windows/glass color or different liveries or different docking ports and stuff. I like the idea of customers being able to customize their starship so each one looks distinct. (this would only happen after starship has been flying for a while i would think)

>>12315098
Which is some funny shit because of how much mass they're wasting on their sample collection system, which depends on a huge mission that hasn't been designed yet in order to return a few grams of near-surface ground material.

>>12315173
You're about 60 years late

>>12315188
>And where is the technology for that right now?
>When you invent an antigravity engine, come back to us, until then, this is the only tech we have.
Starship with full tanks and a 150 ton payload gets ~6 km/s of delta V which is more than enough to get to the surface of Mars. We don't need any propulsion technology beyond chemical to become a robust interplanetary species. At that point we will have better options than nuclear thermal anyway.

>>12315199
It is literally easier to get Starship onto Mars than onto the Moon. Go read a delta V chart some time.

>>12315329
god, I hope I live long enough to see all of those. I hate living in the past so much bros

>>12315277
One flight to refuel a billion dollar stage probably costs more at the end of its life than five Starship flights to refuel more Starships

>>12315338
>live to see this
I bet we see an armed Space Force Starship with a laser CIWS before we see Starship fly to Mars

>>12315302
This.
Cheaper is always better because cheaper makes things possible, not Isp.

>>12314020
Wow. You couldn’t be more wrong.

>>12312130
Ayylmao.

>>12314347
Only if my mom lets me stay up that late

>>12315329
>propellant depo
>nuclear power station
>tugboat

>>12314527
Explain exit rotation please so I can contribute to the thread better. Faggot.

>>12315380
No. Get a desktop.

>>12314677
Looks like on the menu is back on the menu

CREW 1 WHEN

There is objectively no good reason to desktop post in a world where the majority of the population is carrying supercomputers in their pants. Posting on 4chan doesn't require the fine motor control of competitive gaming or the computing power of CAD / CFD software. Phones are fine and people pissy about them are luddites.

>>12314922
>>12314922
>tfw the government forces NASA to spend time and money on educational outreach
>tfw all of that outreach uses dated pictures of Hubble repair from the 90s, space shuttle flights with the worm, and Apollo Moon landing pictures/skylab
:^) bragging about old achievements is hard anon

>>12315340
Only if we also get an experimental arboreum section as well, planned by ecologists and not hippies with billionaire check

>>12315406
>t. sideways image phoneposter

>>12315406
The problem is that phones have bought the majority of the world's population, who are absolute retarded fuckwits, onto the Internet where I don't want them to be. Phone development should have ceased at the brick, smartphones have done insane levels of damage to society.

>>12315406
As someone who remembers the pre-smartphone world, I am an advocate that they should be proscribed technology.

>>12315407
Skylab was cool tho
Skylab B when?

/sfg/: I want spacetravel to get to the point where I can go to Mars on a dime
Also /sfg/: the average person should not be allowed to have a cellphone

>>12315431
Yes

>>12315394
2021

>>12315199

Imagine in your head two interplanetary spacecraft in orbit waiting to depart, Starship filled up by a bunch of cheap propellant launches and your fantasy nuclear rocket with a payload.

The nuclear ship costs many billions to develop, delivers less payload, and for greater mission cost than the Starship option.

>>12315431
I can see nothing contradictory about those two statements

>>12315431
There's a misconception that people who are average are smart, People are dumb as fuck until they're 120iq minimum, when 80% of people are too stupid to perform basic functions, why should they have access to the internet lmao, it's like giving soda to a fat fuck or crack to a crackhead

>>12315431
Yes and it's a very easy position to defend.

Why are we talking about cell phones?

>>12315433
>>12315438
Actually fine I won't disagree now that I think about it. Just don't turn into that schizo from a few months ago who wrote a manifesto against using VR on starship and Mars

>>12315447
shut up sperg

>>12315431
Free 24/7 access to lowest common denominator entertainment and social media programming has been a disaster for the human race

How viable are asteroid stations?

>>12315224
This anon wants to use crabmeat powered cargo crates to orbit

>>12315456
Very very very shitty

>>12315452
OK, schizo.

>>12315431
Space travel
>cool as fuck
>manifest destiny
>massively expand economy and jobs
>reduce pollution with off world mining and manufacturing

Smartphones
>ruined social interaction
>trillions of collective hours of wasted time
>ruined the internet

>>12315447
It's an old argument that gets brought up here every now and then just lurk until you know what's going on

>>12315423
Yeah me too, but I’m still gonna post rocket pictures with my phone.

>>12315456
Except for Ceres and the other few biggest asteroids, it makes way more sense to just live in free-floating orbital habitats that get resources from asteroids that have been strip-mined. Even on Ceres you're gonna live in a rotating habitat, it'll just be buried vertically in the ground. Ceres will also have lots of space elevators and large scale settlement in orbit around it, because the delta V costs and gravity are very low, and the asteroids that make close approaches now and then will naturally have different concentrations of useful materials to go snatch up.

>>12315456
Only useful for sourcing materials.

>>12315459
Why?

Turborocket Martian spacesuit jump packs

>>12315474
https://youtu.be/gU9dCWY7G2M

>>12315380

Here is how to phone post without sideways pic all.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.howtogeek.com/254830/why-your-photos-dont-always-appear-correctly-rotated/amp/

>tfw Biden will probably leave most of Trump space policies alone, since most of them are just Obama era policies + Artemis, which is a lander for Obamas SLS but appoint a Boeing shill as head of NASA :(
What will a Harris administration do once Biden croaks/resigns due to age