/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12312021
I think that ironically, race realists are not very realistic about race. They don't like the hypothesis that cultures can have a great effect on IQ, even though it explains things like the Flynn Effect.

>>12312021
Don't save stationary gifs mate

>>12312029
What a shitty strawman, nobody thinks intelligence is 100% determined by genes.

Flynn effect stopped decades ago. There is a small environmental component but the bulk is genetic.

Don't talk about intelligence until you've made it through this book. You're just repeating old creationist canards.

https://www.unz.com/jthompson/35-myths-debunked/

>>12312041
lol, you literally just straw manned him though.

>>12312041
It's a shitty dichotomy to say that things are either genetic or cultural. Development in the womb is determined by random and environmental factors and is neither genetic nor cultural. However, a lot of IQ test performance probably is cultural.

I personally think that American Blacks have a culture that hates white people and see education and testing as "white", so they deliberately do badly on IQ tests.

>>12312048
My bad, I should've said that race realists don't believe that non-genetic factors don't have a great effect on IQ.

>>12312045
>no not that book, you have to read this book
cope

>>12312041
IIRC Lynn thinks the black/white gap is all genetic. Now this is consistent with a narrowing gap AND a Flynn effect if Whites are experiencing a significant enough dysgenic decline.

>>12312051
>I personally think that American Blacks have a culture that hates white people and see education and testing as "white", so they deliberately do badly on IQ tests.
It's this and genes. Intelligence is largely genetic, too, 70% or so heritability I recall.

>>12312045
>creationist canards
Why do race realists say this to people who deny that the races differ in intelligence? The old Testament is filled with scriptures about the stupid and how certain groups are superior to others.

>>12312051
>IQ test
Intelligence test.

IQ is the score. You don't call your chemistry final a "grade test."

>>12312021
no such thing as racism
there is in group vs out group biases which is tribalism, and is inherent to human beings.
Understanding how we are different is not racism.
Treating people differently is not something the govt should be allowed to do, regardless of what the "intentions" are.
Ignoring the differences in people will last but so long, as the consequences of ignoring the differences will create externalities that can not be ignored.

>>12312062
Blacks are extraordinarily persistent and talented at stuff they actually value in their own culture, like rap music and Jordans and theft and so on.

And African immigrants are among the most successful in America.

You simply cannot take IQ tests done on black Americans seriously, because they deliberately do badly on anything they think is "white".

>>12312062
the thing though is that when we have studies that claim that intelligence is so so heritable, all we have is correlation. We are not able to actually take something like a blood test and see the physical mechanism that is intelligence. Also, we do not even understand what intelligence is. So these studies are hardly compelling for those in the hard sciences

>>12312067
Doesn't have to be JudeoChristian. Only a miracle could have produced equal intelligence in populations so long separated in environments so different
>like a handful of flipped coins all landing on edge
t. Nick Wade I believe

>>12312074
>IQ tests
see>>12312070

>>12312088
not really. Most biologists claim that the reason why populations do not differ in intelligence is due to the incredibly large amount of time that would be required for such a change to occur. Most race realists dont really understand this and its why you see them use really bad arguments like, "we have different skin color so it makes sense that we would have different intelligence levels." But the thing is, the evolution of intelligence is on a different level

>>12312098
That's a retarded claim. Lots of shit can happen in a short time if there is sufficient selective pressure. You can domesticate foxes in a few generations and they'll have a complete change in personality.

>>12312082
>Genes code for the proteins that make up the brain
>You inherit these genes from your parents
>The brain is reponsible for intelligence
There's your mechanism

>>12312098
>incredibly large amount of time
Nonsense. Take an African population with normally distributed intelligence. Move them north. You could lop off the dumber half in one winter.

>>12312088
I don't think races all have exactly equal intelligence, but I do think there are obvious cultural factors that you need to take into account. Americans have a black population that fucking hates white people and white government and white teaching and white testing, so you can't just have white psychologists test black people for intelligence and report back as though they're getting a raw biological truth. The blacks hate you and they don't see any reason to try hard at all on those IQ tests.

Oh yeah: It's a fucking IQ test because that's what everyone calls it. Suck my dick.

>>12312098
>populations do not differ in intelligence
They do.

Feel free to argue for non-genetic causes, though. Also
>populations exist
>races don't
Classy

>>12312098
agree with the other anon, that’s a dumb claim you’ve made there. In the first place the mechanisms responsible for intelligence are still poorly understood. L it makes no sense to try and argue how long it takes for one population to become more/less intelligent when we don’t even fully understand precisely what could cause such a change to begin with.

>>12312045
based unz poster, only source for real news

>>12312122
Do you think same race-proctored tests haven't happened? People addressed these copes before you were even born. Just laziness on the board desu

>>12312116
But if we accept that culture plays a part, you cannot assume that the genes are the only mechanism. Its pretty alarming you didnt see that as a response to your argument.

The IQ argument is retarded. Go look at 80IQ Appalachian literal sub-humans. Even these people are somehow able to come together and form cohesive God fearing communities. It's just Africans who can not do this in any meaningful capacity. There is some other mechanism at play

>>12312127

The mechanisms by which cows produce milk are also poorly understood, but that didn't stop us vastly improving their milk yield by selective breeding. In fact, in a sense, the more poorly understood they are, the more likely it is that there are very large numbers of genes contributing, which makes Breeder's equation more valid. So that's a stupid claim. We don't need to understand the biochemical mechanism by which genetics impacts intelligence as long as there is some plausible way it could happen.

>>12312133
Yes, it's around 70% genetic and 30% enviromental. Nobody is saying genes are the only mechanism.

bell curve had two authors retard

>>12312132
No, they haven't. Blacks have their entire culture set up to despise any kind of authority in America, even if tests are given by blacks. It would be interesting to see how black Americans do if they immigrate to Africa.

>>12312127
we can see that in animal species, there can be fast phenotypical changes, but we cannot observe changes in intelligence. Therefore it makes sense that the evolution of intelligence takes place on a much larger scale

>>12312131
I <3 Ron, even if he has a screw loose. He correctly identified the media as the source of power and built a site the Poz can't deplatform. He has done so much to make censored information available.

The article about military intelligence and Jewish power immediately post-WW2 is a treasure. So many people in a position to know were calling bullshit on the Holocaust, Nuremberg, etc. All forgotten.

>>12312147
Uh, we have literally bred dogs, mice, rats, foxes, etc to be more intelligent in a short time.

>>12312140
youve basically just argued that "if we dont understand it Im right." Thats the most ludicrous form of arguing there can be

>>12312145
whats your point? None of them were biologists

>>12312045
>>12312131
while we're unz posting, this is interesting
https://www.unz.com/runz/white-racialism-in-america-then-and-now/

>>12312138
Agreed that race realist psychology needs to look at much, much more than IQ. Rushton is a classic--r/K is foundational.

MacDonald's Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition is great on Europeans.

>>12312151
No we havent.

>>12312153
It's an obvious point that if there are large numbers of genes contributing to an effect then the statistical equations governing that effect become more valid. Try to keep up.

>>12312133
Everyone ITT should read this before making any retarded claims. The fact is, the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that IQ is primarily (nearly entirely) determined by genetic factors. There have been loads of studies investigating it, in fact behavioralists spent lots of money and time trying to prove IQ is caused by environmental or cultural factors, but despite their efforts, they still found time and time again that the data suggests IQ to be genetic. For example, twin studies where both twins were adopted by different families, one wealthy, the other low income. The access to resources etc did not have any significant impact on their tested IQ as adults.

Furthermore, IQ certainly does test "something" and that "something" certainly seems to correlate strongly with what we generally consider to be intelligence. So no, IQ isn’t meaningless. Look at the data, don’t argue from ideaological principles.

>>12312162
Not sure I buy it but Erectus Walks Amongst Us is very interesting.

"Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny" is in there though, which is embarrassing. Or is it? Is it totally untrue?

>>12312021
lmao, there is literally no need to justify racism outside the very obvious cultural thing
the people using some reddit tier memes like the bell curve are retarded midwits
being racist is what it ought to be

>>12312168
There are a large amount of cultural factors contributing to the effect as well, but that doesnt mean the nurture side can claim victory with the sam argument. Learn some logic and argumentation

>>12312166
Animal intelligence is an interesting question because they don't use semiotic systems the way we do. Are wolves smarter than poodles? Plausible. But we have bred for retrieving and herding, specific cognitive tasks.

>>12312160
my point is that why should anyone care what you think when you can't get basic facts right?
further, appealing to credentials is a logical fallacy

>>12312140
Okay, so if we see variations in the IQ id populations, then obviously we should conclude there certainly is a genetic component to it, and that it can change in (relatively) short time spans. We have direct evidence that IQ can vary between different populations.

>>12312169
Hate to break it to you, but there have been twin studies where the twins wind up being quite different

>>12312178
Cultural factors are not uncorrelated so there's no general mathematical equation that can be used to predict how they contribute to an outcome, unlike genes.

>>12312177
>literally no need to justify racism
Based lol. Blacks are right in front of us. Everyone knows, and they've known as soon they've encountered blacks every time since prehistory.
>>12312169
Based Haierposter. Probably Sociobiology by Wilson too

>>12312183
>appealing to credentials is a logical fallacy
/nosource/ COPE

j/k. the professionalizing of thought is a huge problem. new priesthood

>>12312183
I really dont care if its a fallicy. People do not hire Sociologists for positions in Biology departments. Credentials matter in the real world and the fact is, most race realists have shit credentials. Like that one guy from Finland who got his phd in religious studies but now considers himself a biologist.

>>12312185
Cows don't have a culture telling them that giving too much milk is acting white.

We don't have any evidence for IQ varying absent cultural difference, and I don't even know how you'd design an experiment to test that.

>>12312169
why do you or OP or anyone reading that shit thinks that racists are racist because they hate stupid people? And then go and call the said racist low IQ bigots, the reality is, people are just racist, they hate their cousin even, because he spent his youth in south London and now he has funny accent
racism is natural, justification built on top of some deep science study about intelligence is just retarded

>>12312147
Consider the difference between pitbulls and retrievers.
>>12312151
Agreed, although to play the devils advocate, intelligence is poorly defined in the case of animal breeds. For humans we can at least test IQ and make arguments pertaining to that. I’m unsure if there exist any tests to rigorously measure the "intellect" of other animals.

Still, I’m sure we can all use our intuition and common sense to observe that some breeds of dogs tend to be more clever than others.

>>12312189
>Cultural factors are not uncorrelated
What? Now you must not know what you are talking about

>>12312150
>>12312162

>>12312197
none of which has anything to do with the truth content of the bell curve

>>12312198
All these copes have been addressed. Have a g-loaded and non-g-loaded section of a test. If the gap persists on the non-g part, they're not trying. If it doesn't, g is the difference.

>>12312204
btw, i don't particularly like sam harris, but his interview with charles murray was good
https://samharris.org/podcasts/forbidden-knowledge/

>>12312202
Really cool of you to poast that fren

>>12312199
I don’t understand what point you are trying to make. I have nothing to say about racists, I am only arguing that IQ is a meaningful measurement, and that IQ certainly does vary among different populations.

>>12312207
Blacks do worse in all school subjects than whites, so that implies that it is indeed the case that they are simply not trying.

>>12312208
He was also good on BLM. I'll take a race-aware atheist "liberal" over a Christian "conservative" with black adopted kids any day

>>12312212
we are fighting an uphill battle bro, (((they))) are at war with us. Gotta do what we can for the other freedom fighters who refuse to cuck to the frothing at the mouth leftard NPCs. YW mate

>>12312215
lol

>>12312217
BLM?

>>12312215
>there are school subjects that don't draw on intelligence

The biggest question for race realists is this. Why are tenured Biologists and Psychologists so afraid to claim what is so undeniably true? These people cannot be fired. And better yet, what is stopping those who are on their last year of working form blowing the lid wide open. Why do they deny this when there are no repercussions for them.
Just look at Kevin MacDonald who wrote the Culture of Critique, the most anti semitic book of modern time while he was working as a professor. Nothing happened to him.

>>12312215
That’s a nonsense statement. The conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premise.

>>12312220
Black Lives Matter, an incredibly pernicious lie
>cops kill blacks for being black
false
>therefore the entire far-left academic activist agenda
non sequitur

>>12312224
>nothing happened to him
how many people are ok having their own splc hatepages let alone rationalwiki saying something mean?
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/kevin-macdonald
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/charles-murray

>>12312230
Oh no, they said something bad about on the internet. Give me a break.

>>12312214
I am saying, just embrace the fact that people (of any race) dont like different looking people, be it physically different or culturally. IQ is part of the equation, but not the core of it.

>>12312234
you're an idiot

>>12312169
(((they))) are in the process of scrubbing everything like this from the web and textbooks. Most normie tards like the people on this board dont have the first clue how easy it is to rewrite history. Amazon will stop selling this book and it will simply dissapear and just the history of atlantis and the truth about WWII and the holohoax it will become esoteric a rare piece of knowledge while the masses are taught an entirely different narrative and when you challenge their brainwashing they will do exactly what the retards on this board do. Call you /x/ and schizo and /pol/ and w/e other retarded shit they have been conditioned to call anyone who challenges the dominant narrative. It is quite something to watch (((them))) doing it in real time

>>12312230
>professors hide the truth because they are afraid that their rational wiki page will be changed to make them look bad

>>12312224
>These people cannot be fired.
Lynn lost emeritus status. They're trying to take it from a Cal State economist who recently did an AmRen interview. Noah Carl not tenured but fired. Colin Wright blackballed on the job market--people would list a job opening called "COLIN WRIGHT IS A TRANSPHOBE WHO SUPPORTS RACE SCIENCE" where everyone in the field would see. Duchesne forced into early retirement from New Brunswick. Watson, you know. Kevin MacDonald wasn't fired but had to take a mountain of shit.

>>12312241
>>12312234

>>12312230
rationalwiki is run by discord trannies and is the most retarded website on the internet

>>12312225
It's nonsense to claim that the problems of blacks are caused by them being unintelligent. Unintelligent white kids don't drop out of school at 14 and end up in jail, they just fail their math class.

The whole of black culture is in opposition to white authority, government and education. It's anti-education. When you have blacks in an American classroom, you are trying to teach a hostile enemy population. That is not a matter of IQ, it's a matter of political conflict.

Occam's Razor says that there's no need for any other explanation for black failure than the anti-education culture of blacks.

>>12312248
someone photoshop a james watson with the brendan fraser "if only you knew" hair/eyes

>>12312241
>>12312234
That telling the truth gets you labelled as a pariah your whole life and even after death is a big thing. The first paragraph of your Wikipedia will say "Anon is a Micronesian academic, white supremacist, and antisemitic conspiracy theorist." Jewgle will put SPLC and ADL profiles at the top of search results. This amounts to libel. Anyone who tells the truth and stands up for Whites is presumed to be pathological, a stain on the world.

So you admit they cant be fired. But your point still doesnt address those who are about to retire. Why not blow the lid on the whole can. Are you really expecting me to believe that these people whove dedicated their lives to science are unwilling to speak the truth when they have a guarantee from getting fired or even when they know they are about to retire? It sounds ludicrous and borders on that of a conspiracy theory especially when the culture of critique was written by a working college professor. MacDonald literally wrote a book about how Jews are undermining America and that it is in their nature to do so, and he didnt get fired. And then you expect me to believe that all these biologists are too scared to say that genes make up the difference in intelligence between whites and asians. Its so ridiculous

>>12312251
I 100% agree that the major problem with blacks is not low IQ. It's aggression and lack of conscience and empathy. But that is also evolved/genetic and not just cultural.

>>12312271
>just burn all your social ties and make people curse you on your death bed

>>12312248
you realize he sold his medal to help fund his own research, not because he was starving, right?

>>12312251
>It's nonsense to claim that the problems of blacks are caused by them being unintelligent.
I never claimed such a thing. I do think it could be a factor worth considering, though. It is important because legislation and public policy is based heavily on the concept of equality. This means laws and so on are passed based with the assumption that all groups are equally intelligent. If this turns out to be untrue, then certainly it would be worth reconsidering how we deal with some things. I am black, by the way.

Anyways this thread doesn’t seem like it’s leading anywhere productive. Probably just another /pol/ rhetoric thread.

>>12312267
Plenty of non whites who work in Biology. How come there isnt some Asian man who tells the truth?

>>12312021
Besides the fact IQ is scam...

>>12312277
Why would they burn all their social ties? Arent they all friends with fellow biologists who all secretly agree about this? If you think that they would be burning bridges, doesnt that mean that you think most scientists dont secretly agree?

>>12312262

>>12312251
Low IQ correlates very closely with committing crime

>>12312271
Many do say it. And they pay a heavy social and psychological cost. And don't hope to climb the ladder! Someone who misgenders an antisocial narcissist can be punished by law in some places. But berating someone as a moral leper for decades because of scientific research? "Aw, toughen up sweetie!"

>>12312285
>t. IQlet

>>12312281
> This means laws and so on are passed based with the assumption that all groups are equally intelligent.
Laws are now being passed with equity in mind- in other words, race realists and SJWs both agree that blacks face intrinsic difficulties and need a leg up to succeed.

> I am black, by the way.
I am not, but why should it matter?

I think Americans are overgeneralizing from the very unusual situation they have where blacks are a resentful, humiliated and failed minority. American blacks literally do not want to succeed. There are plenty of other examples of such populations - the Irish used to be like that, and Gypsies still are.

African migrants in the USA do very well.

>>12312285
well yes, but thats almost the only thing psychologists cling to so it would be mean to take that away from them

>>12312292
How come a white kid with IQ 85 and a black kid with IQ 85 have vastly different chances of ending up in jail, then?

>>12312294
>Many do say it.
Can you tell me some tenured biology professors who have claimed such similar to how based and redpilled Kevin MacDonald blew the lid on the JQ and redpilled all the young kids on the jews and their schemes against good white people

>>12312283
Who's that yellow nigga who's big in behavior genetics? He got scared off what was shaping up to be a major study. It was gonna be a team effort too, probably dispositive. Charles Murray was rounding people up for it and it got axed

>>12312303
becuz bucuz, black people bad

>>12312305
Two psychologists and a philosopher off the top of my head. Phil Rushton, Michael Levin, Arthur Jensen, all had to deal with shit storms at their universities. Blocked from teaching certain classes, other faculty sitting in and monitoring, having to lecture by video or closed circuit TV, offices vandalized, etc.

>>12312303
Because there are other factors, none of which are just wypipo hating Blacks.

One is higher testosterone. Gonna have more aggression regardless of IQ.

Also if blacks get caught more often for petty crimes because their areas are more heavily policed, well, why so many cops? The 8x murder rate maybe?

>>12312326
I asked for a biologist

>>12312326
nathan cofnas, only a philosophy grad student, got in hot water for publishing a paper arguing that it is should be OK to research race differences in IQ

>>12312303
Low IQ, more aggression and different culture. Do you think the only ways two individuals can differ is by intelligence?

>>12312021

>>12312162
If you havent checked out renegade tribune check it out as well, also winter watch is pretty decent. I have written a few articles at the renegade myself.

https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/05/were-the-jesuits-crypto-jews-did-they-stem-from-the-kabbalist-alumbrados/

>>12312338
Cope but David Sloan Wilson and Razib Khan talked about Jews as parasites once but the video got shoahed
>>12312343
Insane. He was arguing for SUCH a soft position. Like the jury's still out! We've known for so long!

>>12312162
my articles at the renegade
http://www.renegadetribune.com/author/bodhi_mantra/

>>12312336
Testosterone is a function of stress, and blacks stress out other blacks.

Black culture promotes lawbreaking, crime and contempt for authority. Not sure what other explanation you need.

>>12312379
Where does culture come from? I think it's minimal need for cooperation and social harmony without cold winters. Also minimal time under civilization--little execution of violent males. It was always da hood, even in the Motherland

This thread has devolved into a case study for why academics stay silent.

>>12312397
the NPC hivemind swarms and attacks the perceived threat to their gibs grants and safe spaces

People who believe that race determines iq have to believe that all these biologists secretly believe in it behind closed doors but are too afraid to come out and say anything even though they are tenured and have the support of everyone else who is a biologist since it must be common knowledge for biology professors since midwits on /pol/ with only bachelors degrees understand it.

If that sounds ridiculous, its because it is.

>>12312360
I guess they are retards then. Jews intermarry at a rate of 70% in america yet people like Kevin MacDonald think that they are these extremely tribal people. Its fucking stupid to think that they are super tribal but yet not tribal enough to marry fellow Jews

>>12312401
>I am literally retarded the post

>>12312406
Jewish womens children are considered Jewish. The father needs not be Jewish. What's fucking stupid is you trying to acting like you know what are talking about when you clearly dont

>>12312401
And the only ones who come out in support of race realism are the ones who are the loonies who get critiqued to hell by their peers who are supposed to agree with them since its supposed to be settled science.

>>12312401
Most biologists simply don't think about it. There are no incentives to think about it and plenty of incentives not to. Those that do, privately reach the obvious conclusion.

>>12312411
You think all of them who intermarry are Jewish women? Is this a joke?

>It's another race vs IQ thread.
We should have an RIQ general. This would be RIQ #810 if my count is correct.

>>12312414
lol this is so stupid. If its so obvious, why dont they come to these conclusions when their is so much talk in academia if its ethical to study race differences?

>>12312406
Man I hope this is true. Doesn't seem like it though. How'd they make up the Holocaust population dip already if they're losing the majority every generation?
>>12312411
Yeah but racially they're half gone

>>12312021
>it was written by a political scientist
Who was Richard Hernstein

>>12312406
Jews intermarry at a rate of 50% and that does imply they are extremely tribal people since only 2% of Americans are Jewish. That means a Jew is about 25 times more likely to marry a Jew than chance would imply.

Jews are worried about this by the way.

>>12312422
Hardly anyone in academia discusses it. Race is seen as a topic for the social sciences and they're allergic to evolution and biology.

You don't want any of that shit going on in your career if you're an academic. You have to be brave or stupid to get into anything that touches the topic.

>>12312423
>half gone
That isn't how it works, not in their culture. Sure if they kept doing it over time you could possibly scrub the Jew genes out but ashkenazi aren't genetically jewish anyway, they are 80% euro genetics. What matters is how your "secret society" cult does it initiation and considers who in the society and that simply requires a Jewish mother and being indoctrinated into the cult with its ethnic identity.

>>12312415
you are the joke here, you are stupid so you should probably just stfu, you probably are a jew spreading disinfo

>>12312423
also you could never scrub the jew genes completely out anyway because mtDNA comes directly from the mother and no cum can ever scrub it from your gene pool now matter how many times you try

>>12312436
>What matters is how your "secret society" cult does it initiation
Kind of agree. I recognize it's a factor. But let's be real about the genetics. If all the Jews end up looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger it'll be easier to change their minds and culture than if they all look like Alan Dershowitz. There is evolved racial psychology in play here.

>>12312445
>epigenetics
doesn't fuckin matter

>>12312447
Well I dont disagree and you see this happening which is why so many are abandoning their ethnic jewish identity. This is something unavoidable in cultures so closely intertwined. I am not sure what you guys are even arguing t.b.h.

The Jews do recognize this problem however as some anon just pointed out a minute ago. But the gigajews dont really care about them outside of lip service anyway. They put more value on them than goyim but they see as expendable as well for the Zionost supremacy jewish world order in the big scheme of things

>>12312447
some of them are well aware they are expendable as well and one of the founding fathers of the zionist ideology Theodore Hertzel has numerous quotes expressing this sentiment you can find

>>12312447

>>12312467
Where can you even find the actual truth about the holocaust? I want to read but I can't trust either extreme, and infographics on /pol/ don't cut it

>>12312462
>>12312467
Yeah as time goes on I move closer to the classic "conspiracy theory." The Jeffs and Ghislaines are a minority of Jews. But the 2% of the 2% are so fucking on top of things it's nuts.

OTOH more average Jews cover for them. The MANY Jews in academia and journalism are constantly sniffing out "antisemitism." I've known secular Jews who didn't go to college who are still fanatically Jewish-identified and afraid of the goys going fash and killing them.

>>12312492
>infographics on /pol/ don't cut it
A lot of these are fake and gay anyway. They want people to look stupid. Check out Holocaust Handbooks. Start with basic stuff like The Hoax of the Twentieth Century by Butz. Breaking the Spell by Kollerstrom is good too. Then you'll start to get your bearings. One Third of the Holocaust doc on BitChute is a must-watch on Aktion Reinhardt

>>12312492
Occult History Of WWII
https://esotericawakening.com/occult-history-of-wwii

The greatest lie ever told - The Holocaust - 2015 Documentary HD
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/the-greatest-lie-ever-told-the-holocaust-2015-documentary-hd_3yPLYiwR2Kcvf5i.html

SPINNING SQUIRREL - HOW PYSCH WARFARE PROPAGANDA BECAME THE HISTORICAL NARRATIVE
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/spinning-squirrel-how-pysch-warfare-propaganda-became-the-historical-narrative_coaObA9LwTSycuB.html

this can get you started. There is a bitchute channel called "holocaust lies exposed" as well that has some decent stuff, individual case basis etc

>>12312502
>A lot of these are fake and gay anyway.
how fake are we talking? planted phoney propaganda that can easily be disproved and used to discredit arguments tier?

>>12312507
Hey Bodhi o/
I remember you had a video with some guy talking about the harmonic crystaline properties of genes or something and how natural mutations have to fit certain patterns while GM riskjed compromising them?

>>12312494
Yes hitler held this same sentiment and said he clearly had nothign against Jews as one of his bodyguards and foduning remember of the SS was a Jew and they held a memeorial for Jews who dided in WWI. The problem is they have a network of little bitches always covering for them and even just regular jews will often do it sometimes as well who dont even know what the gigajews are doing but see it as a threat to their identiy/person. It is a real clusterfuck. I got nothing against jews personally but I will damned if I will let them enslave and genocide my people and nation and then the rest of the world once they can get the US locked down with an authoritarian communist system. If I have to choose the lesser evil I will be fine with gassing whoever needs to be gassed. The line has been drawn in the sand, I didnt draw it but we have to be big boys now because the clock is already ticking. Whatever plans you had for life .... it wont go the way you thought it would. The big dance is coming

>>12312531
Got more info? I have a couple vids I think could fit this description. Was it called introduction to the mysteries by chance?

>>12312041
It is, although ironically, the evidence is starting to strongly suggest it is more then any human could have imagined. So the genetic determinists strawman is actually the truth. Its like God is playing a practical joke.

>>12312021
>Anyway, the part about race is a small part of the book, its like only one chapter out of the whole book and even then, the book does claim that race determines iq. What it does do is present two arguments in a neutral manner. One that does argue that race determines iq and the other that it does not. So for anyone who claims that this book undeniably proves that race determines iq has not read this book because it doesnt even claim that.

Oh wow, that sounds exactly the same thing that every fucking race realists said about this book. But as an antiracists piece of shit, you made assumptions about that book until you read it, and now you have the nerve to act morally superior when leftists were actively demoinzing this book and his author for daring to suggest genetics are real

Fuck you op and fuck your pseudoscience.

Race realism? Try gene realism, you gene denying motherfucker

>>12312538
not much, It was around may I think, guy was skinny and sitting in his garden very whispy hair big glasses
could have been entirely hokum since he seemed a bit of a new ager but he was talkiing about models, never got around to watching more thjan 10 minutes of it at the time, lost the lionk since then

>>12312522
Yes
>>12312507
>occult
ehhh I fear this is edging into the schizo sphere

>>12312551
The germans were really into their occult saturn worship though?

>>12312550
oh yah I know what it is give me a minute

>>12312551
"occult" means hidden, you live in the matrix bud. Almost nothing you think you know is true, so truth itself is occult to you. If you want to learn the truth you are first going to have to open your mind, no one can fill a vessel that is already full

>>12312558
>saturn
Wouldn't they hate that? I thought Saturn was the Jews' thing

>>12312550
The Purpose of DNA | Dan Winter
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/the-purpose-of-dna-dan-winter_UpDb5Ow7xKOYiMG.html

>>12312492
i personally disavow all holocaust denial but maybe check out https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

>>12312563
>you live in the matrix bud. Almost nothing you think you know is true
You're talking to a racist Holocaust denier. I'm out of the Narrative. I just don't want to see anyone in this thread lose it and end up sprinkling holy water around the house saying we wuz White Hebrews in Atlantis with Bigfoot.

>>12312550
I suggest you start with something like this first
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/introduction-to-the-mysteries-part-1_dJpExbjQovVPPMh.html/list/TrxfTBeqZu8147A

before going to dan winter

>>12312021
I have a question /sci/

Why as rational human beings with at least SOME desire to be good people, why are we tolerating anti-racism???

Its both a pseudoscience and a religion. Read OP post again, as far as he is concerned, "antiracism ideology" overrides the truth. No ideology should override the truth, nor does it have a place in science, but as far as he is concerned, he doesn't care if the book is factual, or truthful, or anything, none of that matters because the book is "racist" so he was ready to just immediately dismiss the book and that 100% of it is invalid. More over, to make it worse. Not only is this hypothesis "invalid", its also "evil". He's bringing a very totalitarian morality to the issue, which doesn't tolerate any dissent. If this guy treated any other issue like this, he would be seen as nuts and unreasonable. Had this guy not actually sat down and read the book, he would be on here decrying this book and calling it propaganda and "debunked science". Its only that he actually read the fucking thing that he realized that these accusations of it being "racists" and "evil" are barbaric. Whats worse, is that he is acting morally superior. Instead of being ashamed of what he believed in, he is actually trying to use the book to own "race realists" when they themselves would have told you this exact thing. The Bell curve was from 30 years ago, and most scientific studies supporting race realism aren't from the Bell Curve. But you wanna know something? Most people wouldn't even be WILLING to read it, they don't care. To be a "race realists" is to be "evil". But its worse then that.

These people deny genetics. These people seriously do not believe that genetics could influence or even determine human traits.

Personality, cognitive traits, behavior, beliefs, perception, appearance, emotions, do you seriously believe these "antiracists" would accept that any of these are determined by genetics regardless of race?

>>12312584
>>12312571
cheers

>>12312583
We were white "hebrews" from atlantis however, ironic.

Bigfoot you are going to have to research on your own

The Real Israelites – The Scythians
https://esotericawakening.com/scythians

What Happened To The Israelites?
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/what-happened-to-the-israelites_kCo7nP1yR63Lg5e.html

DNA Study Finds Early Inhabitants of Israel Were Blue-Eyed and Fair-Skinned
https://esotericawakening.com/early-inhabitants-of-israel-were-blue-eyed-and-fair-skinned

Great Britain: A Hebrew Covenant
https://esotericawakening.com/great-britain-a-hebrew-covenant

Are The Welsh The Lost Ten Tribes Of Israel?
https://esotericawakening.com/are-the-welsh-the-lost-ten-tribes-of-israel

Esoteric Biblical Genealogy and Etymology
https:videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/esoteric-biblical-genealogy-and-etymology_2Rt9syxDwz6bRlH.html

Try to take one step at a time, it takes time to adjust to the realization that they have been rewriting history for 1000's of years and feeding you loads of bullshit in the mean time

>>12312597
cheers mate

>>12312401
The Soviet Union was able to convince Russian and other Soviet biologists that genetics was an obvious fascists pseudoscience but that Lysenkoism was a valid scientific theory.

If it was possible to force scientists to deny scientists en masse via threat, both coercive and indirect (many o the Soviet attempts to silence researchers via methods that already happen in the Western academic world), why do you think it can't happen here

I have the answer, because you are a piece of shit leftists so you would have killed any scientists who opposed Lysenkoism.

>>12312598
Oh noooooooooooooooooo

This thread went downhill so fast.

I'm convinced that race is real and the Jews malevolent. But rubbing shoulders with people like this makes me wonder whether I just have a screw loose.

Man, it would be comfy if liberalism were just true. No great battle to fight. Just chill. Maybe move to the city. All the young women are liberal. I could be a normie...

Nah. Blacks are awful

>>12312618
there is a lot of bullshit I'm afraid my friend
think of it more as smelting ore to find gold or something more useful like iron
it's the only way to stay sane.

>>12312618
actually the amount of information you are able to process just went faster than you can keep up with. I have been coming to this board since 2015 while you all called me /x/ and schizo and w/e NPC outputs you are programmed with while I watched this board slowly realize everything I have been telling you all is true. You called me names then for ideas you readily accept as truth and you will continue to call people names to possess knowledge outside of your ability to process until you reach their perspective, if you ever do. So w/e do you mate, take what you can use and leave the rest. Milk for babes meat for men as the saying goes

>>12312657
So are you CI?

>>12312667
I dont know what a CI is

>>12312593
One of the most enlightening comments I've seen on plebbit was "Just because something is true doesn't mean it's not racist."
Of course, by their definition of racist, that's a correct statement. The poster's point was that truth is less valuable than anti-racism so the truth doesn't matter if it is racist. This fits in well with your point that it has become a religion. Don't expect it to die out any time soon.

>>12312639
yes there is which is why I made my video channel and website as a roadmap because I already investigated it all and collected the evidence to help the retards who cant figure out what is what on their own. Apparently most people are still too stupid to understand it. Their drive to listen to what they perceive as an"authority" overwhelms even their ability to use simple logic. Stanford prison experiment,The Milgram Shock Experiment et al, quite interesting. The NPC meme is real.


Personally I wouldnt really give a shit how stupid people are, their fate is their own. One small detail in present day however, their ignorance puts the rest of us who aren't stupid in danger.

>>12312593
the real fun starts when they start extending what the term "racist" is to get it banned. It is already happening if you hadnt noticed. Bow down to w/e demands the "anti-racists" have no matter how absurd and what the data show or you are "racist". Not really my style, /sci/ is mostly soi cucks however, they are meek and obedient which is why they always sperg out so hard in these kinds of threads. They would rather hide something uncomfortable so they dont have to think about it and they can continue living in their bubble of delusion because it is just simpler that way (for now but they are in for a rude awakening just a little ways down the road)

They came for the "races" but I didnt fight back because I wasn't a racist

They came for the IQ tests but I didnt fight back because I wasnt a racist

They came for my job because I am white and I didnt fight back because I am not racist.

They came for me to put me into the gulag for wanting a white wife and white children and there was no one left to fight for me .... etc etc

old holohoax "poem". Don't think this is hyperbolic, this is the ultimate goal I assure you

>>12312675
Guess not. Christian Identity

>>12312714
Oh yeah. If you're famous on social media you HAVE TO bend the knee to BLM.

>>12312224
In other countries they have no problem doing this. I am guessing you mean in the US? Obviously because of political consequences. Try doing actual research before saying something so stupid

>>12312251
>Occam's Razor says
HAHAHAHA I am dying. You are such a pseud it is apex cringe to witness

>>12312051
>I personally think that American Blacks have a culture that hates white people

What makes you think this?

>>12312714
simple anything pro-white or even just neutral is racist and anything anti-white is "anti-racist"

>>12313116
Observation

>>12312021
Anyone who knows and says aloud that there's a highly stable 1SD difference in virtually all vaguely intellectual testing between US whites and blacks is treated instantly as a white supremacist, a defacto terrorist, and is immediately a target for righteous violence or other extralegal punishment in public fora which will be universally cheered. TBC unequivocally says that.

>>12313072
notice you didnt post anyone who has no problem doing this. Cope harder

>>12312426
So you think that people just randomly marry each other? If a tribal people were in America, and they generally lived near each other and had a general community in America, you would expect them to marry each other far more than a measly 30%. Its simply not what you would predict

>>12312714
>a meme said so therefore it must be true

>>12312021
What are the odds that two populations that were reproductively isolated for tens of thousands of years happen to have the exact same intelligence?

>>12313180
>>12313207
>this obtuse
You can't tip your hand this hard, not anymore, you are to easy to spot

>>12313227
idk but it happened. Its why only loonies come out as race realists and get utterly debunked by their collogues

>>12312714
based and correct post

>>12313235
This post is so ridiculous that I think it is bait. I will however respond earnestly for the sake of discussion. You pejoratively define people who argue that IQ is affected by genes to be "race realists" who are "loonies" but you do nothing to address the arguments themselves effectively. Your idea that two populations in reproductive isolation would develop exactly the same intelligence is ridiculous to suggest and not supported by any kind of sound reasoning or evidence. Even more so when considering that differences in IQ are proven to exist in modern times. Your hypothesis is that these differences are not because the groups are different, but rather that environmental factors can fully explain the gap in IQ. This has never been shown to be true, nor even has any sufficient evidence to support its consideration. It is well understood that genes are passed to offspring and genes play a large role in determining intelligence. It is also well understood that isolated populations in different environments are acting on by natural selection dependent on those environments, leading to specific adaptations. Intelligence is one of these adaptations. Another is physical appearance and muscle composition. Populations originating from africa are better adapted for fast twitch muscle movement, such as sprinting and jumping. This is why all the best sprinters are black and the NBA is almost all black. Iff you accept that blacks have a genetic physical advantage in this regard, as is well understood among scientists in the field, but you believe whites have no genetic IQ advantage, then you are in fact suggesting that whites are inferior to blacks.

>>12313269
(((they))) wouldn't attack it so hard if they didnt know it was true

>>12313116
His culture. It made him dumb.

>>12312421
...then start one, idiot.

>>12312122
I think you assume too much.

>>12312021
If you beleive that no genetic differences in IQ exist among races, how do you explain the fact that European civilization has thrived while African civilization has been far less successful? The most common response to this is that Europe had better resources and environments to support the develpoment of civilizations more effectively. But, these very differences are likely to have acted as their own selection pressures in the divergence of intellectual capabilities. A more primitive society, such as hunting and gathering or low level pastorialism, likely relies more on physical attributes such as the ability to run or overpower animals and climb trees to reach food. As a result of this, individuals who have better fast-twitch muscle composition and athleticism would have an evolutionary advantage, leading to the preferential passing of their genes. Conversely a more developed society, such as one with advanced farming and toolmaking, would allow individuals with greater intelligence to succeed and preferentially pass on their genes. In only a couple of thousand of years these different pressures resulted in the differences in IQ we see today. Although the genetic component of intelligence likely accounts for a 10-15 point disparity which seems like a lot, this is not much in the grand scheme of things.

>>12312071
Only intelligent post here

>>12312714
>where its going
Pretty much already there

>>12313269
>>12313327
Can OP or someone who supports his beliefs address these

>>12313200
Yes, and that rate of intermarriage would signify how tribal they are. What's hard to understand?

>>12312070
You take a reaction time test to get your reaction time, autistic faggot. You take an eligibility test to determine your eligibility. Etc

>>12313327
My answer is that Africa has elephants, and elephants are bad enough to prevent people from forming agricultural civilizations. If you haven't come up with very advanced firearms technology, it is basically impossible for small nomadic tribes to become agriculturalized in the face of elephant herd attacks.

>>12313467
Yet it was done in India and the brits and dutch did it in Africa. Hell the Indians and Carthaginians used them for war fare 1000's of years ago.

You have proven beyond any doubt you are stupid af and will grasp for straws all day as long as people humor you

>>12313467
that doesn't address my point. Even if resources could be blamed, they would still act as a selective pressure in the formation of IQ divergence. So your retarded elephant theory would still result in genetic differences in IQ.

>>12313485
Indian agriculture was based around rice, so elephants couldn't just destroy that. All those other cases they had weapons that could kill elephants.

Seriously, the reason that Africa was culturally backward is elephants.

>>12313467
The Tsetse fly is a bigger problem than Elephants and Africa has had plenty of Agricultural civilizations despite a myriad of challenges.

>>12313533
Based behemoths

>>12313485
Fun fact: the natural enemy of the war elephant is the war pig. They hate the porker's squealing, it makes them freak out. People used to set the poor piggers on fire just to shake up the elephants

>>12313533
Egypt. Carthage and South Africa are in Africa faggot

>>12313533
wanna guess what the difference is? These were white people >>12313647

>>12312299
>>12312281
IIRC the IQ spread from blacks to asians i like 5-8 points, so even if everyone accepted the data it wouldnt materially change social policy.

>>12313467
>elephant herd attacks

>>12313664
back to the aryan hindu caste system? They created it for a reason
https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/lecture-on-the-teachings-of-the-vedas-and-the-iskcon-movement_YteR4wcQKDLGlfl.html

>>12312401
Everyone cognition researcher knows at least 3/4th of intelligence is genetic, they don't explicitly say it but they know how heritable it is. It's just as heritable as height

>>12313664
>IIRC the IQ spread from blacks to asians i like 5-8 points
The means vary by 30+. 2SD. It's huge.

>>12313708
cite your data, ive never seen any study suggesting a difference of 30+ iq between groups
>>12313673
rofl caste systems

>>12312074
>And African immigrants are among the most successful in America.
You're probably thinking about Nigerians, specifically
And that's likely the case because of immigration standards and only the smartest/most talented Nigerians being selected for over others.

>>12313730
got news for you ..... psst. The world is always in a caste system you are just too dumb to notice it

>>12313756
>think tanks
>above central banks

>>12313759
the people in the think tanks run the central banks

>>12312074
>And African immigrants are among the most successful in America.
That's completely wrong, not even close. Indians on average have the highest income of any immigrant group in America, followed by Chinese. I don't even think Nigerians are included on the list.

>>12312074
>>12313766
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
Yeah, so on average Nigerians are doing worse than most groups, they're below the median in income.

>>12312021
to claim there is a difference in individual intellect based on heredity (and therefore race) is not a racist claim, it is a statement of fact and shows how different we all are from one another
we should accept those differences and move on instead of trying to claim equality for the sake of feelings

>>12312048
you're strawmanning him though

>>12313759
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookings_Institution

>>12312412
Lol there are biologists who found that the reason blacks were killed more by covid was probably genetic and guess what, even saying that brought out a whole lot of white supremacists accusation. Fun fact the researchers weren't even white.

>>12313782
Yes. But America is infamous for its perpetually high racial tensions, and racial tensions across the globe appear rather high at the moment. Even implying "this race is inherently smarter than that race" during such times will only ever be taken as an insult, and serve to entrench both sides in their respective ideas. To expect otherwise is the mark of an idiot, and a person proceeding anyway is quite likely not trying to help anyone, but only trying to stir up shit.

>>12312021
I dont see how it justices racism.
Even if you concede the descriptive statement that there are irremediable differences, the answer should still be to help people that are in need.

>>12314237
The two competing explanations for evident black failure are natural causes and white evil. You're not allowed to believe natural causes are possible, leaving the only explanation as intransigent white evil.

>>12312059
Richard Lynn didn't write The Bell Curve, and no one in the entire "race realist" or hereditarian camp believes this as it is absolutely unsupported by behavioral genetics and basic common sense.

>>12314170
Lol what blacks, American blacks are not even black, Africans have barely been affected by covid

Charles Murray has a new book, which a spiritual successor to the Bell Curve. It is a well-researched piece, with hundreds of references usually spanning both sides of the ideological chasm. He of course provides his point of view, but always makes it clear it is just that.

I would recommend it to anyone that wants a comprehensive yet accessible overview of the importance of genetics in the way our society is structured and our differences expressed.

>>12312133
> Its pretty alarming you didnt see that as a response to your argument.

says the same guy who didn't realize that his original post was going to get immediately rekt by pointing out that genetics codes for intelligence

good job brainlet

>>12314419
are american blacks white?

>>12312098
dumbest post in the thread by a long shot

>>12312146
good idea, we should try that idea out

>>12314924
20% European on average, reverse one drop rule

>>12312215
nice one retard

>>12312306
You're probably thinking of Steve Hsu. He got removed from his position because of his work on genetics. From wiki:

> On June 10, 2020, the MSU graduate student union began calling for Hsu to be removed from the administrative position. The MSU student association also called for his removal, and multiple petitions were circulated, including a counter-petition.[14][15] As of June 17, petitions for removal had 700 and 470 signatures, while the counter petition had over 970 signatures.[16] On June 19, 2020 MSU President Samuel L. Stanley announced that Hsu had resigned as Vice President, returning to a tenured faculty position. [16][14] Hsu made clear that President Stanley requested his resignation, and that he did not agree with Stanley's decision.

>>12312021
Funny how he has this statistical curve to push an non statistical opinion.
If you truly believe that only the smartest people have success then why, we did not see an increase in gray matter ova the last 2 millennia?

>>12314397
That's what America has been trying to do for over a hundred years, and none of it has mattered. It has just been a waste of resources, with people throwing it back in the face of whites, saying that we haven't done enough. There is simply NOTHING that can be done about the huge IQ gap of between humans and niggers

>>12312029
Tell me what you think the origin of culture is. Does a people's culture not come from the people? And what, then, determines how a people is, if not their genes?

>>12315171
Cultures are evolved over a long time like genes are. That doesn't mean culture is encoded in genetics.

>>12315142
There is something that can be done: give blacks their own country.

>>12315182
That was attempted too, they called it Liberia. It didn't work out so well.

How do I increase my IQ bros? I just took a USAHire assessment-one of those where you have to find the next image in the pattern and I didn't even get through half of the questions before time was up. Should I an hero?

>>12312051
Again, you're strawmanning. Nobody is saying it should be "either/or". Genes can have an effect just as culture can.

That being said, where does culture come from if not from the mind of humans?

>>12315182
They don't want their own country. They want to be eternal parasites that are forbidden to remove. Just look at how they follow white around where ever they build a community. Blacks believe access to white people is the most important human right. There are even laws that guarantee their access to white people. Having their own country without white people would be the worst thing to ever happen to them.

>>12312021
Race realism becomes clear when you live it yourself. Spend a few months in Detroit and then me tell you wouldn't rather live in Ohio.

>>12315629
Be a hard worker and conscientious. There's not much you can do about your raw intelligence but you can increase your knowledge of the world. Developing good people skills also will help overcome any shortcomings you have in intelligence. Being likable in many contexts is more important to success than intelligent.

>>12315142
Lol trying to do what, denying them opportunities, lynching them, Tulsa massacre etc. Are you fucking retarded, ever since abolition of slavery you've made them feel as unwelcome as possible as if it was their fault they are in America in the first place, I swear to God the gall on you white retards is out of this world, you live in your own protected bubbles oblivious to reality.

>>12315735
>ever since abolition of slavery you've made them feel as unwelcome as possible

How can you say this without a trace of irony? What is welfare, affirmative action, NBA, NFL, rap culture, democrat states, Black History Month, BLM and every other black program that helps them?

>as if it was their fault they are in America in the first place

I agree. Send them back to Africa so they can go back to where they were taken from. Why is it so insulting to say they should go back?

I'm not even white, btw, but you self flagellating cumskin basedboys make me sick to my stomach

>>12315017
You haven't read the book. One of my friends has, and he shared me passages essentially about how humans are devolving because intelligence is no longer favoured.

>>12312021
The worst thing about this book is the cover illustration.

>>12315965
You realize without the 'self flagellation boys' struggles your race would not enjoy the rights you think you have today? You'd still be second class citizens treated by whites the way they want, fucking retard is what you are, forgetting history, why don't you go back to whatever to whatever hole of the world you came from, what gives you the right to claim America from them?

>>12315017
Quite obviously because "success" as in economic, academic or artistic achievement, doesn't lead to reproductive success.

>>12312281

>>12315735
>denying them the opportunity to turn the US into Rhodesia, Haiti or South Africa
Yah I have no problem with this

>>12315017
>funny how the data shows that what most uninformed people say they believe is wrong
Nice appeal to majority fallacy. Oh wow this must be rarely rare that this happens, not like this is actually the norm and that the average person is absolutely clueless on almost every academic topic you can come up with.

>>12315965
>How can you say this without a trace of irony? What is welfare, affirmative action, NBA, NFL, rap culture, democrat states, Black History Month, BLM and every other black program that helps them?
You're a fucking joke.

>>12316043
Where did I say I wanted to claim America from them, you drooling mongoloid? I don't even live there. If you think that by basedboys I meant the men who ended slavery and fought actual wars you're either retarded or genuinely believe standing with BLM is "woke".

The funny part is, I agree with what you're saying as a "bad" example. Why should foreigners be considered first class citizens? A country should stand for its people first, not every immigrant that digs his way into a walmart

>>12316444
Lol and yet no response. You just don't want to admit it, but blacks get so many handouts in the US it's not even funny

>>12315735
>the irony of negro living in a white country talking about gall
>>>/his/9776793

clown world intensifies

>>12312029
Environment shapes genes which create culture which select and reinforce certain genes. Not hard to figure out.

>>12317429
That's like saying the technical specs of your computer create the internet. Culture depends on communication which is universal. Culture cannot possibly depend on genetics.

>>12315965
You said hundreds of years and you're pointing to blm? What a joke.
And it's not exactly clear how any of that is helping neither. Glorifying hood culture has probably done a lot of harm to their community. Crime rates and single motherhood skyrocketed after the 60s and rap culture might be the explanation for that.
Blacks have more claim to the land than most whites that arrived much later through immigration after the country's formation. You can't tell them to gtfo.
You being non-white doesnt surprise me. You get bullied so hard by white nationalists that you gang up on groups of people you perceive are lesser than you. Some of you even hate yourself. It's crazy.

>>12317511
He's not wrong tho. I would hate myself too if I came from a culture that looks down on being a good person and seeing success accountability and hard work as weakness.

>>12317524
That's not true. I feel bad for self hating people cause they're being sold this falsehood that the only thing that defines them is their group. /pol/fags are hypocrites they will never deny their own individuality but they will to others cause they lack empathy.
You can only be responsible to your own actions. Feeling guilt over the actions of other people that are loosely related to you is wrong.

>>12315657
Ohio is pretty shit man

>>12317502
why are all white nations first world then? Your premise is massively retarded on its face, obviously your genes contribute the largest part of your culture. If whites never went to Africa the people there would not have had a written language, books, the wheel or even sewers while white men were walking on the fucking moon.

Let that sink in. There are still people that live in the rain forest to this day who dont even know men have waled on the moon

>>12317574
>muh walk on the moon
So what retard is this the best you retards got. Does your walk on the moon prevent you from dying, are you somehow immortal or immune to disease? Have your debts disappeared because of it. Try harder retard, or just keep coping with other people's achievements because you are too much of a brainlet to do anything yourself.

>>12317511
>Crime rates and single motherhood skyrocketed after the 60s and rap culture might be the explanation for that.
Generally speaking it's more likely that art and fashion are the consequences of social changes than the reverse.

I would rather blame desegregation, welfare, and the decline of industrial and agricultural employment that left blacks idle and free to cause their own ruin.

>>12312021
It has always been maintained by the authors of the book and its supporters that it was NOT meant to be a "race realism" book. It is the media's hysterical reaction to the book's release which created that perception.

Concerning the chapter about racial differences in intelligence, it was written in the early 90s, when the human genome had not yet been sequenced, so obviously the authors could not venture any claim as to whether these differences had their origins in genetics or not. However, in 2020, we are now rapidly identifying genes influencing intelligence, and it will only be a few years until we can conclusively test the hypothesis that certain ethnic groups possess more of these intelligence-boosting genes than others.

If the result is affirmative, I wonder what the media reaction will be then.

>>12317592
I tried to detect an argument in your post, but could find none.

Why can't we just agree on the fact that different races excel at different tasks? Yeah, Blacks have the lowest intelligence of all races, but on the other hand they are the most virile and sexual of all. There's a reason why white women long for Black men even though white men might be richer and smarter on average

just chill bros. I have tons of black bros, all of them date white only and we love each other

>>12317619
I bet it will go somewhat like this.

>>12317619
>I wonder what the media reaction will be then.
The media doesn't care about science. They can keep selling narratives until the sun winks out. If academia doesn't buy the media narrative they will be accused of racism.
Thus western academia will fold under ideologic pressure from media narratives

>>12317502
Culture is behavior, and behavior is genetic (see cockroaches). Behavior is hereditary. You act like your parents, and you would still act like your parents even if you never met them. You think like your parents. Is it more pronounced when you know them? Very much so. Does culture affect IQ? Yes, much more than genetics. However, you can't just say that culture isn't genetic.

In terms of humans, or any animal really, but focusing on us, you have to look at what force of nature culled the less well adapted members of any geologically isolated ethnicity. Africans got eaten by lions for the 50,000 years or whatever after the group that evolved into caucasians left, and the slowest were eaten before breeding, and today we have fast Africans. Europeans were culled by winter for 40,000 years. If a European didn't bust his ass and sock enough food away, and also if he didn't have the self control to keep from eating in December the food he needed for February, he starved. His kids starved too. End of line. Behavior dictates survival, therefore behavior is hereditary.

I'd buttress that argument with the case of the french mouse that tunnels different shapes depending on which parents it has.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11816

We're critters man, it's okay. Black people are exactly as related to chimps as white people, and everyone should be okay with that.

>>12317592
>niggers couldnt even leave their continent while white men left the planet
>I will say "muh" to play down this fact and pretend it is an argument
How long do you think it would take Africans to invent and build a laptop if they had never met whites and been gifted their technology? A billion years from now?

>>12317592
>spergs a massive cope while accusing someone of coping
wew lad, that really shook you up didnt it? Truth hurts I know

>>12317644
I agree with the general sentiment of your post, but there are a few inaccuracies.

>Behavior is hereditary. You act like your parents, and you would still act like your parents even if you never met them.
Not really, even children raise by their biological parents have their own unique personalities. What you could say is that some temperamental traits (such as introversion/extraversion, neuroticism/equinamity, etc.) are inherited, but the resulting personality (and behavior) of a person is largely molded by life experiences and the cultural context.

> Does culture affect IQ? Yes, much more than genetics
On the other hand, this statement is false. IQ is much more determined by genetics than it is by culture.

Basically, the more "fundamental" the trait, such as height, ability to put on muscle, IQ, introversion/extraversion, the more genetics-dependent ; and the more "high level" the trait, such as preferences in tastes or hobbies, or social skills, the more culture and environment-dependent.

>>12317653
I am pretty sure they couldnt even reverse engineer one now or ever to be honest

>>12317592
>Does your walk on the moon prevent you from dying, are you somehow immortal or immune to disease?
No but vaccines, medicine and proper hygiene/running water/toilets/sewers do all invented by white men

>Have your debts disappeared because of it.
No but I can balance my checkbook because of the white mans math and I have debt because I purchase goods all invented by white men

>Try harder retard, or just keep coping with other people's achievements
I am very happy for them and their achievements which provide me the luxuries I now appreciate. That is the difference between whites and niggers we dont bite the hand that feeds us because we are too stupid to know how we got here and where we would be without what our forefathers did to provide it to us.

>because you are too much of a brainlet to do anything yourself.
What do you know about what I have done? You are a stone cold retard my dude

>Does your walk on the moon prevent you from dying, are you somehow immortal or immune to disease?
No but vaccines, medicine and proper hygiene/running water/toilets/sewers do all invented by white men. We did all of these things 1000's of years ago before we decided it was time to go to the moon.

>Have your debts disappeared because of it.
No but I can balance my checkbook because of the white mans math and I have debt because I purchase goods all invented by white men

>Try harder retard, or just keep coping with other people's achievements
I am very happy for them and their achievements which provide me the luxuries I now appreciate. That is the difference between whites and niggers we dont bite the hand that feeds us because we are too stupid to know how we got here and where we would be without what our forefathers did to provide us a comfortable life.

>because you are too much of a brainlet to do anything yourself.
What do you know about what I have done? You are a stone cold retard my dude

>>12317644
WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT FROM AFRICA WHY DO YOU IDIOTS KEEP POSING THIS MEME. THIS HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE BS CONCLUSIVELY.

>>12317653
Lol it doesn't matter, they still enjoy cheap laptops from China, they don't have to invent shit, the world is a global trading hub, your stupid arguments about being first doesn't confer you special standing, you still face the same human problems everyone else on earth does, only individuals matter, your retarded race arguments don't apply in the 21st century. But because you're all brainlets with no individual feats, you cope with muh race and muh moon landing. Like I said try harder retards, you're not convincing anyone.

>>12317713
What's your point?

>>12317721
he doesnt have one he is just a seething retard huffing massive amounts of copium and it is embarrassing

I think if we go by the fact that intelligence mostly comes from genetics it would be reasonable to assume that certain groups with certain traits follow similar intelligence patterns, then we could argue that theres a difference in the intelligence quoffecient's for different races. But of course its not purely that simple, there are obviously environmental factors that should be taken into consideration, a group plagued malnourished and sick population will breed kids who may have physical or psychological handicaps ie(shorter,dumber).

My question is that keeping all of these variables the same, how much will intelligence vary

>>12317619
>implying the media gives a shit about evidence

Where have you been the last 10 years?

>>12317511
So because black handouts are not 100 years old they don't count?

>Glorifying hood culture has probably done a lot of harm to their community.
No shit. We all know this, at least, people with common sense. However, pointing this out labels you a "racist" because "das jus how things be up in the hood".

>Blacks have more claim to the land than most whites that arrived much later through immigration after the country's formation. You can't tell them to gtfo.

I was wondering when the mental gymnastics would kick in. So they were unrightfully taken from their lands (which I agree completely), made slaves so they shouldn't be given the chance to go back to their homeland?

>You being non-white doesnt surprise me. You get bullied so hard by white nationalists that you gang up on groups of people you perceive are lesser than you. Some of you even hate yourself.
This shit is more insulting than getting called a spic. Just because you can't think for yourself doesn't mean i can't see the truth for what it is. Every nation deserves its race and culture preserved

>>12317800
The thing is, up until now, evidence has been scant (longitudinal and twin studies), and plausible counter-claims could be made by race egalitarians (although they never hold up under scrutiny) :
> IQ tests are biased!
> You didn't control for all environmental factors!
> Blacks have internalized low expectations!

All this is possible because IQ testing is a "soft science", i.e. it inherently has a lot of "wiggle room" for interpretation. When we actually discover specific genes that grow brain cells, and show that Africans have fewer of them than other races, no amount of claims of "systemic racism" will be able to make up for it, especially if China takes the lead and starts engineering super-babies.

>>12312074
>i be stupid on purpoose

>>12317928
If China takes the lead, that should be possible. With how politicized science is in the west, I think they'd kill the scientists who discover that first before they allow that to get out lol

>>12317928
The west needs a Sputnik moment to scare it out of it's "feels before reals" mode. Unfortunately most western nations are very different in the composition of their populous than back in the 1950s when the Cold War started. We're much more likely to simply freakout and destroy ourselves in the panic than to mount an effective response to something like Chinese superbabies.

>>12318527
the Chinese can conquer the wear with tik tok why bother with super babies? zoomers are a camera and will destroy this nation in a single generation

>>12319737
fucking cell phones ffs

*the west
*a cancer

>>12319737
The purpose of superbabies isn't to destroy the west, it's to make the Chinese superior, not just to the west but also to the current Chinese.

>>12317713
Who do you think you are speaking for? I am fully convinced Africans could never develop the technology to build a laptop because they don't have the intelligence too, which is genetic, and they couldn't develop the technology in a billion years if left to their own devices to try

>>12312235
>people of different races can't be friends

>>12320007
Strawman: the post

>>12320618
Cope: the post

>>12312021
could be true.
we need more thinkers
NOT PEPE STINKERS

>>12319800
We both buy it at roughly the same price retard, just because it was invented in your country doesn't make you better than me or anyone else, you still have to wake up and face individual reality, the glory of your race doesn't make you special.

>>>/his/9786093

>>12319800
We both buy it at roughly the same price retard, just because it was invented in your country doesn't make you better than me or anyone else, you still have to wake up and face individual reality, the glory of your race doesn't make you special. And we are not in a race war, western countries allow every immigrant equal opportunity to prosper, heck they even give more welfare to the people you hate so much, that's why you are probably coping out here because you can't do anything about it. Like I said they don't have to invent shit to prove a point, they still get to enjoy the labours of wage slaves like you, the price is the same.

>>12312067
IQ points even differ between people who get less or more sleep. Does that mean that people who sleep less deserve fewer rights or are somehow intrinsically worse humans?

>>12317592
> I didn't personally walk on the moon
> thus no humans should feel proud of this accomplishment

>>12314419
>>12314968
I read a paper a while back looking at fish hybridisation and the immune system
they took fish from two close rivers then innoculated the two parent strains (p1, p2), the F1 (p1xp2) hybrid and the f2 (f1xf1)
they then took a batch of fish from each group and innoculated them with a virus
the f1 and the two parent groups faired about the same with 80% survival.
the f2 had only 30% survival
the immune system is a highly refined system relying on complimentary genes

So height, penis length, eyes are all genetic and heavily related to different ethnic groups, nordics have blue eyes, Dutch are taller. Yet intelligence is not genetic?

>>12317644
It's sad how people can't seem to grasp this simple line of reasoning. Always trying to bullshit things with "western society muhh suffering to the world therefore..." or something like that. It's completely ignorant and ironically biased

>>12321998
They're brainwashed to think that everyone is "equal" and we should all love eachother because it's easier and more fulfilling blah blah blah. Yea sure I get the whole sentiment but some people only care about actual Science.

>>12321868
>Does that mean that people who sleep less deserve fewer rights or are somehow intrinsically
Obviously no.
>worse humans?
Objectively, yes.

>>12321998
Maybe intelligence is a more general trait like having an arm instead of having an black, hairy arm or having blue eyes, have you retards ever considered that? And that general trait is somehow expressed when certain environmental conditions are right, like when animals shed their coats in the summer? And just because an animal doesn't does it differently or in different conditions from the rest doesn't mean they don't have it or use it for different purposes from the rest of the animals.

>>12321998
Maybe intelligence is a more general trait like having an arm instead of having a black, hairy arm or having blue eyes, have you retards ever considered that? And that general trait is somehow expressed when certain environmental conditions are right, like when animals shed their coats in the summer? And just because an animal does it differently or in different conditions from the rest doesn't mean they don't have it or use it for different purposes from the rest of the animals.

>>12322487
Plebbit crap. Its called "general intelligence" for a reason.

>>12322540
I'm not talking about general intelligence retard, I'm talking about intelligence being a general trait among humans, or at least being randomly distributed among humans. The fact that all races can survive everywhere on Earth despite the diverse environmental conditions is proof

>>12322564
Well you're not wrong, basically all humans are smarter than any given cat. But they're also taller. The fact that all humans have intelligence or a height above 2ft doesn't say anything of whether the differences we do see among humans characteristics are related to ethnic groups, like the pygmies. The fact that all humans are within a certain very broad spectrum is notable, but not very interesting, becuase we're talking about variation within humans.

>>12322580
What I'm trying to say is that the trait of intelligence being randomly distributed among humans is more fundamental than say the south Sudanese dinkas having a taller mean than everyone else. The genes that express for Intelligence may become activated so that their intelligence maybe changeable in that they can become smarter if raised in favourable environmental conditions, but their height won't change if they keep marrying within the tribe.

>>12322612
The gene/env distinctinction is why we do studies on this, which find that env doesn't equalize intelligence. But this is also true with height, North Koreans are a couple of inches shorter than South Koreans because they starve. The same mechanisms hold for intelligence. "Their height won't change if they intermarry within their tribe", well, neither will their genetic IQ. Now, if you take the entire tribe and feed them like in the West, they'll actually gain a couple more inches and a couple more IQ points, even though they're already giants now. A difference will remain.

>>12322612
To support my point, the Nordics were barbarians during the Roman Empire, they were talk and had blue eyes, they had a primitive civilization. After the Romans conquered them, their civilization improved, but they were still tall, blonde and blu-eyed. So this coping mechanism of comparing physical features such as height and hair to intelligence is brainlet-tier cope. And this happened after hundreds of years of contact, heck even after the fall of the Roman Empire these guys were still considered barbarians, so assuming Africans should have already 'developed' after a few hundred years of contact with Europeans is forgetting history.

>>12322612
To support my point, the germans were barbarians during the Roman Empire, they were talk and had blue eyes, they had a primitive civilization. After the Romans conquered them, their civilization improved, but they were still tall, blonde and blu-eyed. So this coping mechanism of comparing physical features such as height and hair to intelligence is brainlet-tier cope. And this happened after hundreds of years of contact, heck even after the fall of the Roman Empire these guys were still considered barbarians, so assuming Africans should have already 'developed' after a few hundred years of contact with Europeans is forgetting history.

>>12322652
Uhhhh, this isn't a very good point because most people recognize that Nordics are about as genetically intelligent as Romans.
Also, Africans had a comparable amount of contact with Europeans. Africa is a shithole today, and let's assume they didn't have guns until the 19th century. That's 400 years from the 15th century, when Europeans first arrived. Rome hadn't even conquered Gaul by 100BC (400 years before 300BC).

>>12322652
Germans were barbarians because Romans called them barbarians. Almost everyone has negative words for their enemies.

>>12322659
Yes today, they are but not back then, Rome conquered Germany by around 50AD if I remember correctly, but there were still barbarian vandals circa 500AD running around Europe. But look today these guys are the smartest people in Europe with German traits no less, they don't look Iberian at all, unless you attribute all that to jews which is saying that the Germans have never been very smart to begin with.

>>12322672
Their civilization was technically inferior to Roman culture, that's what I meant.

>>12322659
And remember the Romans left their generals there to administer the colonies for hundreds of years, the Europeans only administered Africans for a couple of decades and then left them alone.

>>12322689
What? Intelligence isn’t about the level of societal organization. Genetics seems to show that Nordic genes haven’t changed significantly since those days, so ...

>>12322725
Now you are reverse arguing, if they were as intelligent as they are now, why did they lose the wars, and why are Iberian countries shitholes today? Also this is what I'm arguing, genes for other traits don't change the way intelligence changes, they retained their blue eyes but their intelligence was activated by contact with the Roman Empire.

>>12322765
I've never argued that who wins a war is determined by genes. Also, Iberia isn't a shithole compared to anywhere in Africa. "Their intelligence was activated" what does this mean? Do you know what intelligence is? The level of knowledge any given person or society has is not intelligince, intelligence is their ability to acquire new knowledge. Did the barbarians suddenly get better at learning things after contact with Rome?
>>12322723
Yes, Rome administered Gaul. Roman Germania, however, was completely abandoned. Ask any historian - there was more contact between the average african and any given portugese trading post than between even the most civilized German tribes and Rome.

>>12322788
Iberia is a Shithole compared to western Europe, you know the people they once conquered. Intelligence being activated means they acquire new avenues to gain knowledge or even practice it. The Portuguese were first trading not colonizing, big difference. Colonialism started in the 1800s that's when the wars btn Europeans and Africans were fought, outside South Africa of course. Yes Rome administered Gaul for hundreds of years, compared to colonial Africa which was administered for a couple of decades.

>>12322821
I live in Iberia, its worse than Western Europe but its fine. Intelligence being activated can suck my nuts, your definition still means nothing, what are "avenues to gain knowledge", and also, why is this completely incompatible with mainstream science on intelligence?
As to the colonialism thing. When we think of barabrians, in the West, we think of the Germanic Tribes (especially the blue eyes thing). Germany was essentially neve conquered by Rome, at all. I brought up Gaul being conquered after 100BC because Gaul is what Germany largely borders, and hence where you would expect cultural interaction. Protugese "trade" involved direct colonial outposts in many places of Africa, this means forts and cities in Africa and India directly administered by Portugese, in the 15th century. You're grabbing at straws here and you know it: the cultural exchange possibilities barbarians had with Rome and Africans had with Europeans are more than comparable. This isn't even a particularly important point, but it holds. Don't engage in "muh but they were different in the details" bullshit, since it was you who decided they should be compared in the first place.

>>12322659
most of africa didn't get any real contact with europe until the 19 century honestly and some africans like the moroccans or ethiopians did use guns.

>>12317928
It will still have wiggle room because we still won't fully know everything.

>>12322487
Such a weak argument. Intellegence is not like an arm or anything like that.

>>12322487
Such a weak argument. Intellegence is not like an arm or anything like that. It's expandable. Clearly you don't know anything

>>12322862
Forts and cities are not countries you idiot, there was no colonialism until the 19th century, and those ports had been trading with the Arabs in the Sahara and the eastern coast of Africa for centuries so they were not representative of the African mainland. Activation of intelligence is just a term I came up with to mean that the conquered peoples get more opportunities to practice their intelligence on, kind of like how trade develops a country. Germany wasn't a country to be conquered back then, it was composed of a bunch of barbarian tribes who the Romans considered uncivilized, and there were still uncivilized tribes when the Roman empire fell. And Iberia is still a shithole compared to western europe, you have to suck germany's cock in the EU and France's involvement in West Africa affects Italy and Spain, so no it's not as fine as you make it out to be.

>>12323015
If intelligence can expand so can arm grow idiot, but there's a limit.

>>12312021
>justify racism
K just the use of this bizarro termimology shows that you don't have any intentions to actually learn about hereditarianism.

>>12320722
>no u
Nice one. Still not the argument anyone was making

>>12324573
>implying you had an argument

>>12322652
White supremacists will attempt to counter this by insisting that the Greeks and Romans and ancient Egyptians and even Indians were the same race/s as the Celts and Saxons.