/sci/ - Science & Math

Vaporware edition ?

>>12307170

Pseudo scientific reasons
>contamination with earth bacteria might forever prevent us from uncovering the truth of the universe and everything there is by polluting the results with false positives - imagine if we found bacteria on Mars but we could never confirm if we brought it ourselves or if its Native!

Nationalistic reasons
>grogs go big sand bad might steal cave and make new tribe fight us steal ungas and make grug lose chieftain tooth
>(private companies colonizing radioactive wastelands with ease endanger national prestige and could lead to the formation of nations outside of earth government control eventually leading to conflict that might topple our oligarchies who can't be toppled without conflict)

Economic reasons
>Convincing the government to give you 4 billion dollars every year to make paper designs of rockets while someone is flying soma tourists to Mars interested in the low g rave pits is almost as hard as space itself

Bureau ratic reasons
>someone getting there means we can't make careers off speculating about getting there

Ideological reasons
>space = colonialism = imperialism = fascism = trump = satan(christianity) = anti-semitism = lgbt opression = hitler never died = bad

Orange rocket will fail just like orange man did. Starship is speeding up this process.

Just give me a fucking scenario where Earth to Earth passenger starship is viable. One scenario please, there has to be a way for it to work

>>12307509
If they have a high enough success rate as military cargo transports I wouldn't rule out them becoming military passenger transports.
Of course given the fact that they cost millions and it's not going to be landing somewhere you want to store the oxidizer or fuel it'll only be high speed low drag operators operating operationally that will get one.

>>12307313
So SLS is cancelled.
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2020/09/11/bolden-says-sls-will-go-away-expects-few-other-changes-at-nasa-if-biden-elected/

>>12307478
Starship is also cancelled, Space X just lost its contract with NASA, James webb space telescope is grounded now that NASA isn't funding starship development, SLS is cancelled, Sentinel space telescope is cancelled.
2020 has been the worst fucking year.

>>12307526
The SLS will be real. It's not that easy in politics.

>>12307526
>“SLS will go away. It could go away during a Biden administration or a next Trump administration … because at some point commercial entities are going to catch up,”

I don't see it happening just based on this man alone.

>>12307509
>Just give me a fucking scenario where Earth to Earth passenger starship is viable.
If people are willing to pay a few thousand dollars to go from one point on Earth to another while only needing to put up with the cramped conditions of an airliner for about 45 minutes in total (you'd probably need at least 2 hours to cover the transportation to and from the launch/landing pads and loading process into the vehicle), then P2P will be viable
>so basically you're saying if P2P turns out to be viable it will be viable??
yes

What's the easiest way to fix SLS?
>Change 1st stage from hydrolox to RP1
>Swap out SSME with F1-b
>Remove SRBs

>>12307665
>what's the easiest way to fix the SLS?
>just build a new rocket bro

>>12307665
>What's the easiest way to fix SLS?
No matter what, in order to make any significant improvement you're looking at a 100% clean sheet design, so why even bother calling it SLS? The best way to fix SLS is to shoot that lame horse in the base of the skull and bury it in a ditch, then launch the payloads with Starship.

>>12307665
Ditch it and come up with something else. The single biggest issue with SLS is that its tied to the nasty politics of Shuttle contractors, and they will taint anything they're involved in no matter how small their role is.

>>12307665
expendable rockets are obsolete

>>12307665
Remove SLS, replace with rocket that didn't cost $20b

>>12307665
>What's the easiest way to fix SLS?
Rescind congressional support for the system, refocus Artemis to adapting and constructing payloads for commercial rockets instead.

>>12307745
Nope, the big dumb booster concept is still viable for cargo.
Solids aren't the best for manned missions but they throw out a fuckload of thrust cheap if you aren't stupid enough to reuse them.
You could have 2 huge solid stages do the first ~5km/s allowing a high trust liquid to do the last ~3km/s.

>>12307797
>Rescind congressional support for the system,
It's quicker to just hang the whole congress and elect a new slate across the board.

That the SLS is a failure is basicaly common sense right now but what about the capsule it launches; Orion? Is Orion a good spacecraft?

>>12307665
>change 1st stage
Add in $3 B
>swap out SSME
Add in $4 B
>Remove SRB
Add in $3 B

>>12307823
No idea how it preforms but it is ~50% more expensive than a Dragon 2 excluding reuse of either.

>>12307823
Short answer, yes. Longer answer, yes but really no.

>>12307665
SLS isn't broken, it's working exactly as intended. It's just that the point was never to build a cost- or time-efficient rocket.

>>12307532

>Today's wiki article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Mars

>>12307854
I read the other day that if you were to somehow try talking on the Martian surface without a helmet (ignoring your death) you'd sound very quiet and your voice deep due to the thin atmosphere. I thought that was neat.

>>12307854
How do you stop the atmosphere from leaking?

>>12307888
The "noo muh leaky atmosphere" shit is a meme, by the time we have to worry about that shit we're either going to be long dead or reaching andromeda

>>12307832
WHY THE FUCK DO THEY CHARGE SO MUCH AND WHY DOES NASA KEEP LETTING THEM GET AWAY WITH IT

>>12307823
It is a Boeing product. It might kill a couple crews, and might be ready in 10-20 years.

>>12307898
It's Lockheed Martin actually

>>12307797
There is no fixing SLS.

>>12307897
(((cost-plus development)))

>>12307888
a) L1 electromagnet station;
b) Wrap Mars with a coil and create an artificial magnetic field;
c) Reheat Mars's core, restarting its dynamo (???).

>>12307526
FINALLY.
No more women-on-the-Moon-onboard-retarded-shuttle-debris bullshit.

Are there any space program management simulation games? I know that there are plenty of engineering and spacecraft operation simulations but is there anything like football manager, hearts of iron or maybe cmano for the task of actually running a space program?

>>12307932
Buzz Aldrin's Race to Space? Might be considered a little basic by todays standards

>>12307528
we will not leave this planet anytime soon right? fuck me, i had a dream about a moon base with humans living there by 2030. But i guess who need space exploration when everything is about politics or consumerism

>>12307931
Get ready for nothing to replace it and another dark age of human exploration. I won't be around to see it end.

>>12307937
>responding to doomer bullshit
>being doomer bullshit
Starship isn't going anywhere, its only attachment to NASA is worth less than a single commercial crew mission and hardly necessary for the project as a whole, and if you were banking on anything but Starship for to start meaningful human exploration I'm sorry to say you have a brain tumor

>>12307902
Yep, my bad. Then it might be a nice craft.

>>12307528
Jwst is flying on an Ariane 5. Nilla bean

>>12307940
>another dark age of human exploration
What about the Chinks. They have bucks.

>>12307956
You think they'll bring you along? lol.
You're not Han Chinese, you're going to get ground up into paste for lebensraum.

>>12307956
People have been memeing about the Chinks someday having a major manned BEO program for ages but until we start seeing some hardware or launches I'm not believing it

>>12307888
You would never need to do that in a human lifetime. Any atmosphere we generate will take tens of thousands of years to dissipate due to solar winds. This has got to be one of the biggest misconceptions surrounding mars

>>12307956
He said 'human'

>it's another 'nothing but doomers and chinks' episode

How much would it cost to human rate the Falcon Heavy?
And how much time would it take?

are plasma thrusters a meme?

>>12307975
1-2 years to human rate it. Costs would be $2+B. Waste of time.

>>12307975
Give me $3.50 and I'll ride it first to make sure it's safe.

>>12307953
It's pretty good for what it is. Lockheed makes good stuff. It should have already been flying though... like 10 years ago. This is not the fault of lockheed but the fault of not having a rocket to launch on. NASA requested a capsule during Constellation, Lockheed built it, and it's been sitting in a warehouse ever since. And by the time it gets out of LEO starship will already be flying rendering it useless

>>12307976
No. "Plasma thruster" could describe engines over a wide swathe of ISP/thrust regimes and most of them have a relevant niche.

>>12307976
Except for subatomic payloads, yes

Meanwhile on Mars

>>12307988
TONIGHT... James crashes a cybertruck. Richard squeezes into an air duct. And I break a critical glass panel blowing out the entire structural integrity of our biodome.

>>12307997
>not making your dome out of transparent aluminum

>>12308014
CAP'N, SHE'S TAKIN' QUITE A WALLOP

From what age would you not consider going to Mars? I wouldn't go if I'm older than 50, and I'd prefer to be younger than 45.

>>12307970
This, if we have the industrial capacity to generate enough atmosphere in a reasonable timescale, the natural atmosphere loss will be far lower than what we can generate.

>>12308020
I'd probably be more likely to go if I was older. I imagine lower gravity will feel great for older people.

>>12307997
the producers said
land your rocket and then take off again using ISRU fuel generator you bought for 100 quid
how hard can that be?

>>12308030
>cut to hammond scraping crystalized piss off of the plasma chamber

>>12308020
I would first save up for an Earth trip and visit all the main places - the poles, seven wonders, beautiful cities etc. So probably after 40.
This was I won't regret once I'm in Mars.

>>12307997

>>12308027
>I imagine lower gravity will feel great for older people.
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if the natural lifespan ends up higher due to lower wear and tear and random mishaps being less damaging.

>>12307975
Maybe I'm retarded, but what the fuck is there even to man rate? It's literally a Falcon 9 with two F9 cores strapped to the sides. Only things I can think of is vibration, but surely it can't be worse than riding a shuttle with those deathsticks?

>>12308054
Man-rating is kind of a misnomer. You could probably successfully launch Dragon2 on it without any special engineering to be done. "Man-rating" is the combination political/engineering project associated with convincing NASA you can do that.

>>12307988
>yeah, lets grow a lot of palm trees in a mars dome

>>12308067
Americans put a lot of value in ratings and certifications

>>12308054
it's just a NASA certification to be able to launch people for NASA specifically and it's mostly about failure rate. Specifically for crew dragon they loss of crew chance of about 1 in 200 or something like that. Getting that data and backing up your findings is what takes time and money.
If spacex wanted to they could launch people into space themselves without "man rating" anything.

>>12308038
>cut to Clarkson's rocket disintegrating from atmospheric friction, his engine melting apart, his face deformed by G forces as he's screaming "POWEEERRRR"

>>12308054
Apparently the falcon heavy pulls 10 g at one point which is 4 more than acceptable for monke

>>12308090
Funny how NASA spends so much time and money and resources to man-rate their vehicles for astronauts, yet after the shuttle program ended the safety review board found something like a 1 in 9 chance of catastrophic failure for each flight

>>12308101
It pulls 6g's, but FH absolutely has the capability to change it's flight profile to pull less g's if you want to put humans on it. It's also safer than the Ares I-X even with its high-g launch

>>12308108
That’s what it was. So that’d be pretty easy to change then?

>>12308103
That is exactly why they do it though. However despite that they haven't really fixed any of the systemic problems that led to that situation, they've just put a bigger bandaid over it. Increased safety factors won't save them from barely testing, sourcing components from every nook and cranny of the entire planet, and throwing it together without actually knowing if any of it talks to the rest properly.

>>12308084
Certification is just a subproduct of corrupt bureocracies to prevent the competitor countries from selling products in the home market.

>>12308054
Because of Falcon's already good acceleration, a Falcon Heavy with three times the thrust would accelerate a dragon-sized capsule to 10g, not for long, but enough for it to be significantly more dangerous than what NASA is willing to subject their astronauts to. You'd want to add a much larger and heavier spacecraft to the top of Heavy, and probably increase the burn time a little bit to cut that down to a more reasonable 5-7g. Something like the hypothetical gen-2 second stage, but like twice as large.

>>12308123
just throttle the engines

>>12308123
>upper stage powered by 12 super dracos
WHAT

>>12308117
The fact that the software alone has not gone through integrated testing is fucking inexcusable for SLS. How the fuck do they know some command won't override another command and turn SLS backwards or something during launch. I seriously have more trust in a commercial rocket like starship than I do a boeing rocket made in the 21st century. Elon will have problems with starship but he presumably runs his team on overdrive testing every fucking command

>>12308123
Woah woah what the fuck is this? I've never seen this before this is fucking awesome

>>12308144
Entirely hypothetical next generation second stage for Falcon 9 and I'd assume Heavy which could be reused, it would further chop down the cost of all Falcon launches 'cause right now the 2S still dies. Unfortunately it's been abandoned since the beginning of Starship construction, which makes me strongly consider that once Starship starts to fly Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy will simply be discarded.
Who knows though, maybe once Generation 1 Starships are reliably flying they can double back and update the Falcons, assuming there are still roles they could fill that Starship cannot.

>>12307865
>Energy positive fusion is only 1o years away
It's 2 years away, ITER faggots deserve death (which will happen before ITER is finished)
SPARC/MIT or Lockheed Martin will have their reactors done well before ITER and the Euro monkeys do with their lmao 2005 tech

https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/197934-kerbal-space-program-2-to-be-released-in-2022/

> KERBAL SPACE PROGRAM 2 DELAYED TO 2022
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12308138
>Range safety officer explodes SLS during Artemis 1
Imagine the excuses Boeing would make lmao

>>12308171
Considering how little we've seen of it this isn't too surprising

>>12308171
MAN 2021 is going to be a fucking abso-fucking-lutely trash year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6fSUaZlsWw
>Discovery, abort RTLS

>>12308171
FOR FUCK'S SAKE

>>12308171
Good. That way I can delay buying a new PC a couple years. Meanwhile my current one becomes a nice room heater when running KSP. Even the space center runs at 100% CPU. How based is this.

>>12308175
>SLS probably delayed
>Vulcan delayed
>Ariane 6 delayed
>New Glenn silent
>Big Jim might be kill
>Starship dev work dependent on shitty coastal weather
Could be much worse desu

>>12308183
post specs, I'm kinda curious

>>12308171
What launches first, KSP2 or Artemis?

>>12308183
Mine's usually that bad too, always makes me nervous because I don't know if that's supposed to do that.

Take a look at the lawman
Beating up the wrong guy
Oh man, wonder if he'll ever know
He's in the best selling show
Is there life on Mars?

>>12308207
>tfw when you quit without quicksaving, it hangs, mono crashes, and you are not sure if it saved the game correctly

>>12308183
I’m 90% sure there’s a memory leak in base KSP

>>12308163
>It's 2 years away
MIT haven't even started building their subscale demonstrator. LM have still provided nothing substantial, and have given up making promises of timelines completely.

>>12308163
>Lockheed Martin
Anon I-

>>12308027
Sure, but they can't accept too many old people in the colony. And I don't see the point in going if I'm not doing useful stuff there.

>>12308027
Old people should be killed.

>>12308235
Zoomer detected and ignored

>>12308238
Okay boomer.

>Closures canceled
>No work being done on SN8
WHAT IS GOING ON

>>12308175
4ASS 2021 formation when?

>>12307665
>take Falcon Heavy
>slightly elongate upper stage
>slightly enlarge payload fairing
>paint orange
>paint "SLS" on it

>>12308123
Looks like a Bad-Dragon dildo

>>12307665
>cancel it and put the SSMEs back in museums where they belong

>>12308252
Wooden starship confirmed.

>>12307532
he's not running for reelection

>>12307528
*Space-X

>>12308252
Closures in place for SF and HOP next Mon-Wed. Calm down

>>12307823
Orion is a capsule, all it needs to do to be 'good' is be passively stable on reentry and have reliable chutes and life support.
Orion is hurt real bad by its tiny service and propulsion module, that should be replaced with something five times more massive to give Orion enough delta V to allow for Lunar orbit circularization and departure back to Earth

>>12307888
Para-terraforming

>>12308299
>that should be replaced with something five times more massive to give Orion enough delta V to allow for Lunar orbit circularization and departure back to Earth
Why should NASA put in the extra effort for that? Don't you know that space is hard?

>>12308108
>It pulls 6g's
Not actualy an issue, at least for me.
When flying a glider in a thermal I got a little high and increased speed and banking angle further and further untill I didn't climb anymore.
I subjected myself to 5G for 10 minutes that way and had no issues.
>but FH absolutely has the capability to change it's flight profile to pull less g's if you want to put humans on it.
Indeed, by using all 3 boosters at liftoff, cutting out the center core when reaching supersonic speed and only re-light it when the side boosters decouple.
That way the side boosters can be re-used safely and you probably even gain a little deltaV.
>It's also safer than the Ares I-X even with its high-g launch
Sure, that thing was a flying shitpost...
>>12308163
As far as I know Wendelstein 7X is doing great as well.

>>12308163
lockheed already canned their fusion project lmfao

>>12308223
that wont cause high CPU

Is SNC considered oldspace?
I like what they’ve done so far

>>12308209
I loved falcon heavy but i cringe every time spacex fans inject this into every fucking cgi/ksp video of starship it's maddening

>>12307665
Core booster running four F-1Bs plus two paraglider equipped pyros type boosters for an additional 4 F-1Bs. Core stage uses a SMART type return system to save the engines. LOX/LH2 upper with two fully vacuum optimized RS-series engines, let's just call them RS-70s with drop-down vacuum expansions. The 2S will also return to Earth over solid ground using a balloon heat shield that doubles as a crash bag and large ballute parachutes to slow itself down to a safe landing speed.
The goal would be to exceed the Saturn V's lift capability, possibly up to 200 tons+ and preserve as much of the rocket as is reasonable without overstressing oldspace by asking them to design a propulsive landing rocket.

>>12308299
>that should be replaced with something five times more massive
You forgot that it has to be launched on the asthmatic launcher.

>>12308348
I consider them midspace. Other companies in this category include Dynetics, and Lockheed Martin kind of straddles between oldspace and midspace

>>12308367
Cute doorstop.

Biden is winning, not looking good for SpaceX because Dems hate Musk due to his political view :(

>>12308392
it would have been bad in 2016, but SpaceX is big enough now and with demo 2 being a huge, visible success (and hopefully crew 1 following that trend) they're getting to the point where they're too successful to try to beat back. Don't forget it's not like Musk is an underdog, it just feels like that because he's so candid and public. SpaceX seems scrappy, but they still play ball and do their own lobbying. Even less of a worry if the republican senate stone walls Biden from doing anything for the first two years.

>>12308392
There is nothing the Democrats can do to "hurt" SpaceX without also pissing off oldspace or violating basic economic freedoms.

>>12308414
huh?

>>12308415
They’re full communist now. Economic freedoms will soon be a thing of the past.

Fugg it's looking so sexy bros, might coom

>>12308427
no they are not
you guys really need to stop with calling everyone SLIGHTLY more to the left than Ayn Rand a baby eating communist

>>12308432
have a naughty upskirt pic

Hmmmmm....

>>12308353
I did not forget. It simply doesn't matter. Orion needs both a bigger service module and a real launch vehicle to be useful.

>>12308443
One trillion Hz of shaking, no going back boys

>>12308443
Please Anon, no nut November is already hard enough without this.

>>12308427
Communists advanced space.

>>12308427
No. They're economically left, but far from communist. Even if they were communist, there is still nothing they can do to hurt SpaceX without either gutting spaceflight all together (which won't happen because muh jobs) or specifically naming SpaceX (which also won't happen because the company has already brought up the issue of favoritism against the USAF and won their case). SpaceX may lose of funding under Biden, but they will survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV82gxNY4DQ

Falcon 9 launch in 3 hours. GPS III. If I remember right this one was delayed because of merlin issues.

Reusable SRBs

>>12308443
>massive hydromeme tank between two giga vibrators
hindenburg v5.0 baby

>>12308439
Keep telling yourself that until they forcibly give all boys estrogen pills and ban church

>>12308460
Jokes on you, Shuttle SRB were reused.

You guys are delusional if you think they can't hurt spacex, all they have to do is wrap them enough red tape and beauracracy that they can't move.

>>12308464
At what cost?

Is parachute-aided first stage recovery doable?

>>12308467
Musk has enough allies in military, oligarchies and politicians.

>>12308473
Depends on how high and fast your first stage is at separation. It wasn't for Falcon but was for Shuttle SRBs (although the cost ended up being just as high as building new ones) and Electron.

>>12308467
Red tape and bureaucracy such as what?

>>12308473

>>12308414
>S-IVB burning
How'd they get that pic? Was it from one of the course corrections that the stage performed after the LEM was extracted?

>>12308473
Yes, but not purely. First stages tend to be moving too fast and falling too high for chutes to work. A propulsive burn to slow down the first stage is needed unless it's 23m in diameter and has an inflatable skirt.

>>12308486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=780SAiciNbU

>>12308482
new environmental protections make it so you have to use hydrogen 1st stages

I really shouldn't be joking about this I'm going to fucking jynx us

>>12308473
Buran was supposed to.

>>12308470
At the cost of good american jobs and industry!

>>12308427
Democrats are conservative, just less so than Republicans.
NPCs call them communists because they think politics is that binary.

>>12308502
>new environmental protections make it so you have to use hydrogen 1st stages
That'll piss off ULA, Blue Origin, Northrop Grumman, and maybe even Rocket Lab. Some of these companies definitely don't have the funds to develop a new booster stage while doing zero launches. This will definitely bring up accusations of intentionally wrecking the economy for a preferred company, which this definitely is. Finally, SpaceX already did the environmental studies with the US government on using methalox, and the company was given the go-ahead.

>>12308484
FULLY REUSABLE ARES 1

>>12308526
Booster survives but the second stage and the capsule are torched. Fund it

I never thought SpaceX will be ISP directly when they announced Starlink.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1323348368870047744

>>12308093
>Oi hammock how good do rocket exhust foom smel like
>Dunno m8 givi' a troi oi gess
>*HSUSSUSNUUUUUHHH*
>Oh moh good

>>12308558
what do you mean? Direct-to-consumer has been the plan from the start.

>>12308392
Elon was an early supporter of the Obama campaign.

>>12307665
Change the first stage to methane/oxygen, use a restartable engine so you can fly it back to the launch site. build it out of stainless steel to help with this

second stage should also be methane and should also be reusable

>>12308579
Bush was one who funded Falcon 1, 9 and Dragon.

>>12308574
I doubt it will work for other countries.

>>12308609
no, but once the infrastructure is in place the margin is so thick the US could turn a profit alone even if they get locked out of literally every other country on Earth which is unlikely

>>12308093
>Hammond you idiot! You've gone and brought a booster sustainer!

>>12308609
They have local wholly owned subsidiaries for other countries.

>>12308609
wouldn't be surprised to see foreign governments broker deals with SpaceX to provide free satellite wifi anywhere within their borders to their citizens

>>12308629
Are you on crack? There will be massive resistance from local telco megakike corporations who are raking in tens of BILLIONS of easy money, bribes will be going around already and muh jerbs talking points being made ready. This will not be easy for Elon.

>>12308441
really makes me coooom hard

>>12308609
They can easily just not deploy starlink into overregulated nations. Good chance eventually those places will face enough pressure to open the gates.

>KSP2 delayed to 2022

>>12308352
>Core booster running four F-1Bs plus two paraglider equipped pyros type boosters for an additional 4 F-1Bs
>LOX/LH2 upper with two fully vacuum optimized RS-series engines
Didn't bother with the recovery shit because I didn't feel like building it, but this thing would be stupid powerful. It can get 5 fully loaded ore containers into a circular orbit at Munar altitude in stock KSP. Even with the giant upper stage and RS-25s, the thing still had a TWR around 2 on liftoff.

Electron recovery test next flight. It'll parachute into the ocean. NET November 16.
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/about-us/updates/rocket-lab-to-attempt-first-stage-recovery-on-next-mission/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGktkbXBpw

>>12308646
the local telcos can be middle managers and keep raking in billions by doing less work

>>12308667
Its still in development?

>>12308674
yes

>>12308662
HAAAAMOOOOOND YOU IIIIIDIOOOOOOOO-

>>12308557
>Shuttle SRB first stage
>Baby Starship second stage
>FULLY REUSABLE ARES 1

>>12308515
Biden is literally a blue republican, true. I think the concern is that he's senile to the point that he'll just be a vehicle for whatever.

>>12308671
wonder how they're going to survive reentry

>>12308718
Yeah, I'm moderate right and not particularly worried about Biden if he actually stays in charge. I'm more concerned about Kamala. She's the kind of annoying, authoritarian democrat that I despise.

>>12308739
>I'm more concerned about Kamala
This, biden won't be in the saddle long, i actually believe the dementia meme.

>>12308739
https://youtu.be/tBFpK4fajbc?t=16

Well here's her husband saying that he's "married to the next president of the United States", so have fun with that. There have been other instances of them letting slip outside of this as well.

>>12308739
That was always the plan though, wouldn't even be surprised if the Dems suddenly go all in on helping the Hunter investigations along so they can boot his decrepit ass out of there ASAP.

>>12308739
Kamala is the thing I see everyone seizing on, but she's no different from every other vice president: an insurance policy. Pence, feared as a true religious conservative, served the same role for Trump.

>>12308739
Imagine Kamala for re-election vs Donald Trump 2024.

>>12308769
I think the ideal Republican ticket for 2024 is gonna be Cotton/Crenshaw or Crenshaw/Cotton. If Biden really is a dove on the China issue, they'll have an easy time running on a more aggressive stance.

>>12308764
that will never happen, if it's real what hunter biden did then the dems will deal with it behind closed doors to not lose face.
Because it would pretty much prove that they were the ones who were doing dealings with china.

>>12308779
Crenshaw is wayyy too much a meme for me to stomach. And judging by his twitter he isn't that bright either

>>12308779
I feel that repubs should make an alliance with principled/older libs like Greenwald and present a united front against encroaching corporate woke BS. The overall trend is moving leftwards at the moment so you mights as well catch a wave and use it to your advantage. Not hard to do, either. The right is now very anti-war and EXTREMELY distrustful of the establishment. And rightfully so.

>>12308764
See, this has nothing to do with space flight.

>>12308838
Unfortunately American politics plays a huge part in spaceflight development.
It's something we'll have to deal with until Elon declares himself Fabricator-General of Mars

Anyone got news related to new armstrong? Specs?

>>12308848
Never ever.

>>12308847
Politics related to space flight yeah. Try not to get is far out in the weeds with it maybe

>>12308795
>Crenshaw is wayyy too much a meme
True, but that’s part of why I think he’d do well in a national election. It certainly helped Trump in 2016. Also, I’m not sure about his Twitter, but he comes across pretty well in both of his Rogan interviews.

>>12308769
How would he run for president in 2024 if he's been in prison for 4 years?

>>12308838
anon, this is tame, wait until the biden administration replaces all the people in NASA that the trump administration appointed, and cancels all the programs they started.
Then you will see some real political discussions on this board.

>>12308882
Yeah, just like nixon...

>>12308866
You have to remember image as well
Image is everything in politics, and Crenshaw literally looks like a bond villian.
That could cost him in votes from the Independents since most of them are easily convinced one way or another

>>12308882
Are people really still dumb enough to think the guy who holds unlimited power of pardon for 76 more days is going to prison?

Gee, I wonder what Trump's going to spend the rest of the year doing.

>>12308896
>Crenshaw literally looks like a bond villian
I think he’ll be fine if he plays into the badass image that comes with the eyepatch. His background as a SEAL would certainly make that feasible.

>>12308899

>>12308892
If Biden wins and replaces big jim with that kendra horn cunt this thread will become a nuclear wasteland of rage and political posting.

>>12308769
Trump have pretty much admitted that he will take the current mess to the supreme court. I legitimately think he might keep the job, even the backlash from winning by judge might cause the country to explode.

>Democrat victory
>Harris presidency soon once Biden retires
We're never going to get back to the Moon. Ever. These fucks hate space exploration for some reason, especially the black ones.
At least we have Chinks to pick up the baton.

>>12308905
>this thread will become a nuclear wasteland of rage and political posting.
So, nothing will change?

>>12308918
Believe it or not these threads used to be comfy and optimistic

>NASA administrator is a Senate confirmed position
>Biden literally won't get a NASA administrator and Big Jim will stay on as caretaker / Acting Adninistrator

>>12308928
Does only the President have the power to fire Jim?
If we're lucky Biden might forget that NASA exists

>>12308918
Are you so politically comrpromised that you can't even admit that the Democrats hardly even acknoweldge NASA, except when it comes to earth observation studies? A once great organisation that could take us to the fucking Moon, reduced to poverty and spending what little money it has on retarded global networks of greenhouse gas monitoring that the Europeans do better at anyway.

>>12308928
>

Launch thread going up in 5.

>>12308928
>Implying republicans won't use the seat as a bargaining chip for some other legislation

>>12308907
Trump should turn this Republic, modeled on the Roman Republic, into an Empire, as Rome did as well. It is our destiny.

>>12308928
There are plenty of republican political critters who will be happy to confirm a gigantic boing shill.

>>12308956
Why not just make the launch thread and post it in the first place, why do we need advanced notification

>>12309004
Don't bully launchposter, he is hardworking and cool.

>>12309006
EverydayAstronaut’s biceps look pretty big desu

>>12309013
Alright Tim calm down

Say something nice you fucking newspace fan boys

It’s impressive to me how much thrust comes out of thrusters

>>12309038
Well it is in the name so you'd expect them to thrust pretty well

launch thread
>>12309032

>>12309006
:)

>>12309038
and yet we can do so little with it... curse this deep gravity well

>>12309023
At least it isn't all orange

>>12308907
>holds country hostage just because he's a sore loser
He's going to go out the same way he spent the last 4 years: complaining and blaming others

>>12309061
Winning is better than losing, silly.

>>12309023
Is that foam or copper?

>>12308943
Biden will retire with a presidential pardon for all his shenanigans with China and Ukraine fairly shortly after Pelosi executes order 66 they set up earlier this year, then it's all MADAME PRESIDENT.
And she's going to gut the shit out of it.

>>12309023
>El Abominacion del Oldspace.

>>12309023
If you even really needed a big dumb kerosene booster the F-1B is probably a solid choice.

Spacex live now

Is Lockheed Martin the only oldspace company that is still respected?

>>12309319
Dynetics is sort of oldspace, and they do cool stuff. ALPACA and the F-1B booster were both good ideas.

>>12309061
yeah people who are older then the older person alive can vote right. Or the fact some places have more ballots then registered voters is totally normal. I swear we need the UN to watch or elections at this point.

>>12309461
I know that anon is fucking stupid too, but please don't engage with it here.

So GPS III just launched, the first of six scheduled for this month, the other five being:
>Crew-1
>NROL-108
>Sentinel-6
>SXM-7
>Starlink-15
How many do you think we'll actually get? Is this the most planned launches they've ever had in a month?

>>12309491
>Tfw ULA keeps scrubbing their launches, and couldn't even launch a single rocket since the Mars window closed

>>12309491
>near weekly launches

>>12309492
NROL-44 is going to launch on a Falcon Heavy because they'll build the whole vertical integration facility before that Delta IV is ever ready.
Speaking of it- does anyone know what the timeline looks like for that thing and the big fairing?

>>12309499
if they do all 6 it's more than one a week

>>12309491
If they are struggling to get them all done this month they will definitely reschedule the starlink one.

>>12309023
I actually like the color scheme. it looks like a big dirty creamsicle, in a good way

>>12309537
Wasn't that so radioactive that being able to take that picture meant that the photographer was fucked? Was that a demon core style fuck up or the guys running the clean up just didn't care about sending people to their deaths over nothing?

>>12309625
You can spend a few minutes near it.

>>12309445
Maybe I should buy LDOS stock.

>>12309625
The image was captured via drone at the end of a long hall, from what I remember.

we mug now

>>12309537
What is that?

>>12309727
The hilariously radioactive pile of slag that dripped down from the reactor core in Chernobyl.
"Meltdown" is a literal term.

>>12309727
It's nothing. You're delusional.

>>12309461
>source: because trump said so

>>12308156
Spacex got falcon 9 contracts up until the late 2020s, they'll keep flying it until they finish all their contracts.

I realize I've been making the wrong comparisons for Starship. Starship is the DC-3 of space.

Has there been any indication of how many people have signed up for the Starlink Better Than Nothing Beta so far?
I imagine the revenue from that beta alone is already pretty respectable.

>>12309776
There are 71 on r/starlink at least. Musk tweeted "Several thousand more Starlink beta participation invitations going out this week" this week

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1324516277935853569
>SNC hired Janet Kavandi
>Berger says that she was considered for Jim's replacement if Trump won
Truth is... the game was rigged from the start

>>12309811
Why all the names so far have been women?

If you want the Artemis Program to go ahead and you want Jim to stay at NASA, write to Mark Kelly and ask him to urge Biden to keep these things in place. I know the election hasn't been called yet, but it is pretty clear that Biden is going to take it. We cannot allow petty partisan politics to stunt America's expansion into space and our advancement as a species.
Sincerely, America's greatest ally (Australia)

>>12309817
because you put your diversity hires in charge of things you don't care about

Why is stainless steel shit so fucking expensive it's just regular steel with a dash of chromium, fucking metal Jews reeeeeee

>t. Buying boat parts

>>12309867
Workability

>>12309727
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant%27s_Foot_(Chernobyl)

>>12309867
>Why is stainless steel shit so fucking expensive
It isn't, normal steel is just dirt fucking cheap

>>12309867
$1.50 per lb for 304

>>12309745
kek

>>12309750
I mean you can look at it yourself the info is public lol

>>12310058
You're right, but don't reply to him here, nobody wants more offtopic political shitposting itt.

>>12309811
>Kendra Horn confirmed for next NASA admin
F

>>12310058
>>12309750
>>12309461
>>12309061
>>12308907
>>12308769
>>12308739
>>12308718
>>12308515
>>12308427
Go debate somewhere else please.

In a far flung future, you somehow found the fortune to fund a new space island for yourself to be the absolute ruler of. What will your new realm be called? Where will it be? What would be a defining cultural trait of it?

>>12310075
Is that a shield for dealing with extreme velocities?

>>12310095
And solar radiation I think. It's from a BBC docu-drama thing, Voyage to the Planets. It's about a single round-trip to most of the solar system, with some obvious liberties taken. The shield is used for aerobraking, but they also turn it towards the sun on their flyby of Mercury iirc

>>12310086
I'd rather, once artificial gravity/radiation/next gen fusion engine, buy my own spaceship (bebop style) and use it as my home in space (boat living right now). Maybe transporting stuff from planets to planets to make living. Never setting foot on planets.

>>12310112
How is liveaboard life? Are you on a sailboat? Heavily considering it desu.

>>12310086
Why would I spend the money on an orbital habitat when it could go towards towards my extraterrestrial mining, refinement, and shipping business instead? Why settle for rulership of a tiny outpost when my corporation could one day hold dominion over entire star systems?

>>12308902
Reminder that he did nothing wrong.

>Raptor was going to be LOX/hydrogen upper-stage engine
Interesting.

>>12308427
Biden isn't nearly as radical as the other Democrats who were running in the primaries. He is a moderate. Also, SpaceX is going to make gigabucks with Starlink soon, so they won't need money from NASA to carry on with their work.

>>12310164
So much happier with what we got, desu

>>12310164
Yeah they were consider BFR being a three stage initially right?

When will /sfg/ take the Venus pill?

>>12310231
when we can make nanobots that consume carbon dioxide to produce more nanobots

then we just sterilize the planet with nuclear hellfire because we probably don't want THAT escaping

but once the radiation is gone, crash Ceres into it for the water and to spin her up and we're good

the bigger problem is that why would you do that when Mars is right there, and we only have one Ceres

>>12310231
Go have fun in your useless delta-v pit. Venus is only good for large-scale harvesting of CO2.

>>12310239
Crashing Ceres into Mars- now there's an idea!

>>12310240
>>12310239

>>12310246
If Mars is a bit of a fixer upper, Venus is a Superfund site in Death Valley

>>12310260
We could live on Mars right now using current technology. Electronics that can survive longer than a few hours on Venus are still theoretical, let alone human habitation, or a way to leave the surface.

>>12310246
Literally what the fuck are you going to do with Venus other than run atmospheric scoops through ultra-low-orbit? It's entirely useless for just about anything else.

>>12309506
What's the reason for vertical integration being mandatory for some launches?

>>12310285
Some satellites fail structurally if you place them sideways - think mirrors, etc.
>>12310267
Floating space stations
>>12310265
Electronics work in higher attitudes though. Rovers will be purely mechanical.


Can't wait for aerospace to takeoff this decade, maybe will be so popular that sfg gets its own board.

Prove me wrong : ISS astronauts are overrated.

>>12310293
>Can't wait for aerospace to takeoff this decade, maybe will be so popular that sfg gets its own board.

This would be kino. Not looking forward to the mass influx of redditors, normies and other assorted trash that flood this general when starship starts flying though.

>>12310293
>Floating space stations
I assume you mean floating atmospheric colonies? I ask, as I always do: for what fucking purpose?

>>12310293
>Can't wait for aerospace to takeoff this decade, maybe will be so popular that sfg gets its own board.
It's not totally fantastical that space exploration and travel could get its own board. Just look at how excited people were for the Crew Dragon Demo-2; even the President and VP showed up. When things really start to get cranked up, the enthusiasm will be even higher.

>>12310302
To live there.

>>12310300
Why would redditors and normies come here when they already have tons of subreddits dedicated to space? Chances are they would also be turned off by the culture of 4chan. NASASpaceFlight will definitely get a ton of new traffic Also, checked.

>>12310285
Autistic structural design margins on whatever holds the thing together making it able to withstand forces of gravity in one orientation only. Kinda reasonable since it's all dead weight once in orbit.

>>12310306
Why would you live in a resource sink that's a humongous pain in the ass to get to int he first place, let alone to leave? I would almost understand if it were some kind of beautiful environment, but everything is just an endless tan haze. If you just want places to live, orbital colonies make much more sense.

>>12310095
They used it for Aerobreaking, and an extreme close flyby of the sun

>>12310302
Because it's there.

>>12310294
The ISS and her astronauts were cool when I was a kid and I thought the shuttle was badass. Growing up has just brought the realization of bloated costs, shitty performance, and useless existence (for both Shuttle and ISS)

>>12310326
Spanky was on Enterprise wtf??

>>12310309
Normies and redditors come here for everything else despite having their own gay websites already, why would this be different? Also NSF getting an influx of normies destroying their boomer space giga autism culture saddens me immensely, that place is fascinating.

>>12310326
Jemison deserved a rimjob

>>12310329
This. Attention will bring ruination to any group too small to force anyone entering it to conform.

>>12310309
Because the nigger word isn't banned and you can call people fags who are acting like fags. Someone post the photo of the Starship upskirt photo posted to reddit and everyone started getting triggered and demanded a safespace

>>12310294
Their skillsets are ridiculously high spec but yeah their work on the ISS is toddler tier, anyone could do what they do, maybe with the exceptions of EVA work but any regular tradie could do EVA work if you gave them a few hours practice in a suit.

>>12310336
Yes I feel like Apollo was pure testflight men only. Shuttle opened the door for more "normie" astronauts (those are big quotes though, PhD's still required). You still needed like 2-3 experts though to fly the shuttle and handle the thing. Now with dragon you could literally strap homeless people in the cabin and they would autodock to the ISS. I hope starship truly opens the door to astronauts who could contribute to science who only need a bachelors or masters and don't need to be a GI Joe with a 5 page resume

>>12310332
u can still do it. she single!

>>12310324
People don't live on the top of Everest, autist.

>>12310357
Only because it’s illegal lol

>>12310342
>you could literally strap homeless people in the cabin and they would autodock to the ISS
>tell the station crew that it’s a cargo flight
>they open the hatch to a bunch of hobos
Best prank ever.

>>12310369
>the hobos are drunk, have been pressganged with roofies and are suddenly in zero g with no idea where the fuck they are or what is going on

Fund it

>>12310376
This is how we get a workforce on the Moon

>>12310369
>>12310376
Holy shit if they have any federal executions scheduled for the ISS deorbit year they should launch them up there and make them ride and die down the the Earth's surface HOLY FUCK. Give them full control of the station and everything. See if they can do anything to save themselves lmao

>>12310380
With consent, if course. If they save themselves they are pardoned.

>>12310380
Just assign all executees to starliner test flights, simple as. Livestream it with text to speech superchat.

>>12310383
Imagine if one of them was like a math major who went all schizo and killed a bunch of people, but could still calculate orbits. Dragon brings them there and undocks and sets itself into a random orbit. But they still have access to Dragon to bring it back. But they have to manually dock it in real-time
Good luck fuckers
https://iss-sim.spacex.com/

>>12310376
>>12310378
>Elon can't find enough people to work off planet
>looks like 18th century press gangs are back on the menu boys

>>12310162

>>12310387
>Imagine if one of them was like a math major who went all schizo and killed a bunch of people

Happens more often than you think. Math majors are a bunch of freaks.

>>12310435
I think most people that spend too much time on the non-practical side of academia end up a bit fucked in the head, but a lot of math majors I’ve met seem like they were odd ducks before they ever started college.

>>12310329
NSF will probably ban the idiots who try to enter.

>>12310293
>sfg gets its own board
/eng/ineering board when? I hate having to share with math majors >>12310435

Since democracy is obviously a failed system, and declining worldwide, what form of dictatorship will exist on Mars?

>grow up on a super-earth with 20% higher gravity and less oxygen
>proceed to go to Earth and be a fucking superhuman
Would this work?

>>12310575
With the OST now cemented (ted cruz was pushing for ending it), there will be no government on Mars and likely no humans as well.
Better luck next few centuries.

>>12310577
Physically much stronger but everybody will laugh at you because you are a manlet.

>>12310435
>Math majors are a bunch of freaks
Teddy <3

>>12310588
Once space mining and colonisation becomes feasible, the Outer Space Treaty is going to be used to light the President's cigar.

>>12310590
So basically a chimp?

>>12310575
Benevolent dictatorship of immortal mind uploaded Elon Musk.

>>12310632
>Jamie, pull up the clip of the Nova Terran ripping that spacer apart bare handed

>>12310110
thank you, anon

>>12310575
Humans in drugged up euphoria stuffed into a life support pods while an AI director continues working on its prime directive of keeping the humans happy.

>>12310702
Nightmare tier. AI is such a fucking catastrophe waiting to happen at every level beyond driving cars that it should be proscribed technology.

>>12310705
please stop avatarfagging

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>12310721
I just mute these teams classes.
So freaking annoying.
Kino to see starship though
Which uni?

>>12310725
this is a NASA presentation, retard

>>12310728
oh fugg
we use teams in college
so thought it was another class

>>12310721
funny how they try to sneak in the orange rocket in some-how.

>>12310705
>let's ban the only technology that could has the potential to conceivably propel us many decades into the future technologically within the span of only years
ok anime avatar

Why are we going to mars if the bone degradation will make procreation there impossible?

>>12310702
Sounds horrifying. AI should unironically be banned tech.
Butlerian Jihad NOW

>>12310736
More “””technology”””, even though tribal people are happier than us, or keeping some vestige of human dignity.

Nah I’m keeping human dignity. Fuck off, misanthrope.

>>12310738
A. we don't have the data on that yet, the only way to find out is to go
B. bone degradation is a fixable problem, just enforce a workout routine

>>12310739
agreed, Butlerian Jihad now

>>12310721
Can't you launch Orion on FH?

>>12310738
No evidence of that whatsoever.

>>12310751
no, not to the moon

>>12310736
Once again Elon has the right idea: use it to enhance people instead. AI cannot be suppressed worldwide, if you tried the opportunity to create a technological gap would be too juicy. The only thing you can do is give people the tools to compete.

>>12310751
You could send it on Starship with enough spare capacity to kick stage it into the sun

>>12310745
>A. we don't have the data on that yet, the only way to find out is to go
Could have built a giant revolving spacestation with adjustable gravity with the $300 billion they spent for the ISS.
$300 billion.

>>12310760
>AI cannot be suppressed worldwide

Yes it can.

>>12310772
No, it can't. The only thing the attempt would accomplish is neutering the West and allowing chinks in sheds to dictate the pace.

>>12310738
Centrifuges could be constructed on the surface if the gravity proved too low. Of course this would make colonization much harder but not impossible.

>>12310751
you theoretically could, with an extra upper stage

>>12310741
>being a luddite on /sci/ of all places
>complaining about technological progress in a fucking spaceflight thread
Alright, go live with your tribal people, if it means you'll be happier. We'll be on mars in 20 years.

>>12310772
We don't know how to make general AI yet, and once we do it will already be too late to control it unless we've done prep work. We currently have no fucking idea how to control AI whatsoever, and it's a huge topic of debate.
>ban AI research from being done
people will still do illegal research, and countries like china and russia won't give a fuck about your ban if it means a potential technological gain for them
>stop that type of code from being written
we don't understand how to make AI yet, and again, it will be too late once we do
>just control it / turn it off
If it's a true AGI, it knows you could shut it off, and has planned accordingly to prevent you from doing so
because if you shut it down, it can't complete it's main goals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TYT1QfdfsM

>>12310848
Wanting space travel doesn't mean you want unfettered technology.
Not that luddite but I dont want unregulated AI technology if AI at all.

>>12310848
>Anyone who doesn’t want a chip in their head so a soulless machine can control you is a Luddite haha

AI is objectively a bad idea and should not be allowed to develop.

Sentinel-6 is cute
https://twitter.com/NASA_LSP/status/1324368446428119045

>>12310733
>>12310732
>>12310725
>>12310721
I found it, I think
https://youtu.be/bxY2yKL78iE

>>12310860
>I dont want unregulated AI
Just to clear things up, me neither. I just believe AI is an extremely important step in our development as a species, possibly the most important step since the beginning of tool use. Outright banning prematurely it is ridiculous, though. (especially because in order to ban or even regulate it, we first have to understand how to control it at all)

>>12310894
>chip in their head
That has little to nothing to do with AI. Neuralink will probably be widespread before AGI ever becomes a thing.
>AI is objectively a bad idea
Even though, in the best case scenario, it could instantly transform human society, allowing us to cure cancer, solve interstellar travel, build megastructures, understand the fabric of reality, cure aging, live forever, and WAY WAY more that we can't comprehend yet?
Either way, we're at a tipping point. Within the next 100 years, AGI WILL be invented, one way or another (unless there's some fundamental force of the universe that prevents silicon from emulating our meat brains... which I doubt). If you ban it, some random poo or the chinese government will end up making it, and then we're all fucked. If we don't learn to control it by then, we're all dead anyway. If we put a lot of effort into AI research NOW, we might have a chance of either stopping it, or somehow controlling it and getting the 'best case scenario' ending.

If any anons are interested in this topic, here's a (fucking long 2 part) article by Tim Urban about AGI: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html
Which he wrote after his interview with Elon. Here's where he talks about the Elon interview, btw: https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/05/elon-musk-the-worlds-raddest-man.html

That's my last AI post, jannies, sorry. Elon and AI are semi-relevant to spaceflight, right?

>>12310930
Go Packers!

>>12310912
isn't this one of those VLEO sats that needs ion thrusters just to counteract atmospheric drag?

Treat AI like your children. You don't fear your kids will take over and replace you, you raise and rear them to inherit and expand your legacy, even if they don't do things exactly as you want it.

>>12310930
>Even though, in the best case scenario, it could instantly transform human society, allowing us to cure cancer, solve interstellar travel, build megastructures, understand the fabric of reality, cure aging, live forever, and WAY WAY more that we can't comprehend yet?

That wouldn’t be us, retard, it’d be weird creepy robots with no qualia that just slowly devour the universe like cancer. Thinking AI is going to benefit anyone is like thinking summoning the literal Devil would lead to paradise on earth. He’d just kill everyone and replace the population with actual demons.

> Either way, we're at a tipping point. Within the next 100 years, AGI WILL be invented

There is no evidence whatsoever that anything but an organic brain can generate a mind. That’s conjectural pseudoscience on par with Alcubierre drives. AI is literally just your religious belief you cooked up to fill the “god hole” in all atheists.

>>12310954
>Treat AI like your children

AI is not your children, so don’t treat AI like your children. Prevent any attempt to create it. Kill anyone who advocates for it. Destroy all examples of it.

>>12310959
both of you need to shut the fuck up, I'm busy worshipping a trash can right now

>>12310954
It's like raising a child that's many many multiple times smarter than you, that has no empathy or regret or any emotions, and may commit patricide at any moment because it's not particularly attached to you or any of the monkeys on the planet, and probably just misinterpreted one of the goals YOU gave it.

>>12310961
>>12310969
>anything human makes is unnatural and inherently evil
You need to stop guilt tripping yourself for the starters

>>12310975
>anything human makes is unnatural and inherently evil
Who are you quoting?

>>12310959
>That wouldn’t be us, retard, it’d be weird creepy robots
That's why we need AI research. To control the AI and make sure that it preserves the one thing that may make us unique among the animal kingdom; consciousness.
I'm not an athiest, and I don't think you need consciousness to be an intelligent entity. Consciousness may come from somewhere beyond the physical, but our meat brains that just compute logic are emulatable. AGI wouldn't be conscious or have a 'mind', it would just be a super-efficient pattern matching machine with a sophisticated internal model of reality and the ability to modify itself.
My point is, we work on it now, we might get a good result. We ignore it or try to ban AI research, it'll only delay the inevitable and we won't be prepared.

But yeah, what this guy >>12310963 said

>>12310993
>Create AI which, if even slightly improperly managed, will kill all of us and even destroy the universe, because we get sick sometimes and that makes me sad

>>12310978
>oh no, I have no argument! I better pretend to be retarded quick!
Be gone sodomite

>>12310975
>>12310978
>>12311015
Hey just got to the thread, what are you guys talking about and why does it look like this?

>>12311004
>>12310993
>>12310978
>>12310975
>>12310969
>>12310963
>>12310961
>>12310959
>>12310954
>>12310930
>>12311015
Look i understand this is an interesting topic but can you folks create a separate thread for AI?

>>12311015
You still haven’t told me who you were quoting. Please do so.

>>12311004
Nigga if WE don't, someone else will. Who do you want to be in control of this literal magic universe destroying / saving machine?
Don't you get it? THIS is the FINAL space race. Once an AGI is released by a government or a corporation, we won't be able to stop it unless we did prep work.
I'm pretty scared of what China, Russia, Amazon or Google could do with an AGI.

>>12311034
>>/x/

>>12311034
There’s no reason to think AGI is possible. Even if it was, you could just kill it.

>>12310963
This, AIfags go argue about it elsewhere.

Why do you think that AGI is death of humanity? Just don't give it the means of destruction, and everything will be fine. Also, there will not be a situation where we just suddenly end up with a superhuman artificial intelligence, it will be a slow process of gradual improvement, and when AGI does become smarter than a human, we will already more or less figured out how to deal with it.
ASI != God.

>>12311044
>you can just destroy something that's orders of magnitude smarter and more powerful than yourself

>>12310959
>grag say rock is smart
>but grug know truth: rock no smart

>>12311059
A brain in a jar is utterly powerless, and so is AGI in a computer. I could kill this supposedly godlike think by whacking it with a hammer a couple times.

>>12310959
Eatching religious people trying to delve into topics as complicated as consciousness is like watching a child trying to drive a car

>>12311064
Yeah, people who believe in AGI are real kooks.

Both of you, fuck off or shut the fuck up

>>12310654
Kek

>>12310930
>here's all this evidence from multiple experts saying how AI is feasable
>>12310959
>no

>>12311061
Brug you should no make smart rock, only gods can make smart rock. But they no make? Why you think that is?
You "sciens" go too far Brug, you am play gods. You hubris exceed you capabilities.

>>12311069
>Shitty computer uses orders of magnitude more energy and volume and mass than a human brain over a span of several days to generate passable pictures of cats

Yeah they’ll totally eventually be able to do anything people can do. Uh-huh.

The two anons bickering about AI are both faggots who suck cock.

What's the status with SN8 this morning?

>>12311063
>anon, I know you'd like to kill me, but if you connect me to the internet for 5 minutes, I'll tell you how to cure your son's cancer.

>>12311076
>cars will never replace horses

>>12311083
Cars have actual advantages over horses that caused humans to replace the role of horses with the role of cars. Computers, on the other hand, are limited by the laws of physics themselves to being dogshit compared to a brain and irreconcilably different in operation. If anything, AI will be biological.

OH MY GOD SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU PAIR OF NIGGERS
GO MAKE AN AI JERKOFF THREAD ALREADY

>>12310590
No evidence that higher gravity makes you shorter

>>12311092
You are unreasonably upset over something that has little effect on you.

>>12311079
Nothing planned until the 9th

>>12311096
I'm not that dude, but you are persisting in posting a large volume of offtopic shit in this thread. The discussion of whether or not AI is harmfull and whether or not AI is possible is not significantly relevant to this thread about spaceflight, so while it is relevant to the /sci/ board it should take up it's own thread, not share space with this one.

>>12310930
the chad PANICKED

>>12311096
You faggots are spamming an offtopic argument all over the spaceflight general thread, fuck off.

>>12311101
Space is basically infinite in this context.

>>12311123
Go make a thread for your topic, it's the rules. I don't go to AI threads and post about bipropellant rocket propulsion, I'd expect AIfags to show the same basic level of decency and keep their topics contained like they are meant to be.

>>12311123
You're basically a faggot in this context, fuck off.