/sci/ - Science & Math

I need some orange smoke bad to go with my liquid cancer for my orbital maneuvering system, anybody got any?

>trump wins
>barron chief advisor for space
>barron cancels SLS

>>12302035
>Congress provides money for it anyway
>writes NASA must work on heavy lift launch vehicle using existing contracts into law
get fucked, this is something they've done before

>>12302035
>>trump wins
Not happening, friendo.
Our brief time in the sun may just be over.

>>12302047
>the dementic wins
bruh

>>12302049
>implying they're not both suffering from dementia

>>12302055
they both might, but it's clear Biden is further in

>>12302035
>>trump wins

>new thread starts
>entirely politics
Page 1 is a mistake as always. Fuck politicians, gas the state, all my homies are going to independent Mars.

>>12302062
it's election day. politics is the only thing on anyone's mind

>>12302035
>>12302047
>>12302049
>>12302055
>>12302058
>>12302060
>>12302062
>>12302064
Fuck it, just toss in the final guess, there's no changing the outcome anymore

>>12302068
Biden wins if the election is fair
Trump wins if he gets to throw out the mail in ballots/refuses to concede and somehow gets the military to accept that he wins

>>12302062
Get used to it. Gonna be like this for a year if Sleepy Joe wins.

>>12302081
Biden is based

>>12302068
>>12302073
Biden wins. Some Republicans can't bring themselves to vote for him. But they vote red on all downstate elections.

>>12302062

>>12302081
>Joe wins
>cancels Artemis
>cancels SLS
>says we need more affordable rockets
>remakes the shuttle
>except only the detachable cockpit is reused
>costs 700mil per launch
>17 tons into orbit

Let's fix this thread

here on out bolitics is secondary to SPESS

Why is Firefly so much more based?

>>12302062
I made a post about how horribly hypergolics are, don't look at me

Why is this always the fastest thread on this board? 420 /sci/ doesn't obsess over rockets nearly as much

>>12302115
>Why is the rocket thread fast?

>>12302115
haha rocket go fast

>>12302115
most of us don't care about the rest of /sci/, it's trash

>>12302138
Why not make an /sfg/ discord?

>>12302115
rocket cool

>>12302145
discord gay

>>12302145
Discordies get the rope

>>12302145
>d*scord

>>12302145
no

>>12302145
>discord

>>12302145
because of our fragile masculinity

>>12302115
Partly because of the autists that have to drop their same fucking favorite copypasta/meme pics in EVERY fucking new thread. So far that hasn't happened in this thread yet. Even the B****fags aren going pasta.
>>12302138
True. Just look at the catalog, /sci/zos everywhere. At least OP was not a faggot and waited for page 10. Anything to keep away from page 1.

>>12302145
>discord

>>12302145
>dick sored
dial 8 tranny

>>12302035
>trump wins
>thinks he can rush NASA to get on the moon in 4 years
>congress says SLS or bust
>SLS fucking explodes because ULA just didn't have enough time or money (their story)
>even congress has a had time throwing money at SLS now BFR is launching starlinks
Is it worth burning the nation down for the chance to kill SLS?

>>12302174
>ULA
incorrect, SLS is Boeing and Northrop Grumman (the solids are from NGSS)

Does adding charcoal to r-candy increase its isp?

>>12302145
too high of a chance of discord tranny infection, although those could always be banned. As long as the administration of the server isn't a discord tranny themselves

>>12302176
>the solids are from NGSS
NIGGAS

>Trump will lose
>Female NASA admin
>SLS Block 2 is real
>Artemis 2028 or cancelled
>ISS deorbited 2024
>Earth science prioritized
>HLS cancelled
We're in for a reaming boys

>>12302182
Northrop Grumman Space Systems

>>12302145
Tranny detected

>>12302185
NIGGAS KILLED THE CREW OF CHALLENGER

>>12302183
Block 2 can never be real, you might be thinking of SLS Block 1B

Which is a worse scenario?
>Biden wins and re-aims NASA to focus on Earth and Climate Sciences
>Trump wins and still pushes for the moon landing, but replaces Big Jim

>>12302183
But we have Lil Pimp how can we lose

>>12302183
It’s okay fren. We will reject NASA and go all in on loving Starship. Thank God for the free market; this is why Elon started a space company in the first place (he knew the competition was lazy, bloated, and charged too much to accomplish too little)

>Trump wins
>He's already got your vote now, who cares what you think?
>Cancels all non-DoD space projects
>Would cancel the DoD ones as well but he doesn't want to listen to the Joint Chiefs whining about it for the 3 hours a year he has to spend in their company

>>12302191
If Kendra Horn becomes NASA Admin, Boeing will get fucking EVERYTHING they want. EUS, Block 2, HLS contract, fucking EVERYTHING

>>12302192
Biden is a worse scenario. Trump replacing Jim would suck but a reelected Trump will throw as much money as Congress lets him at NASA to ensure a moon landing by January 21st, 2025. Once a President has a shot at a moon landing within his tenure he'll take it.

>>12302197
>Cancels all non-DoD space projects
What part of his prior administration or current campaigning has alluded that he's going to do this?

>>12302183
>dems will kill the jobs program designed to be impossible to kill
Do you actually believe this? Lets say for arguments sake Dems get a congress majority, do dems even vote against NASA / SLS?

>>12302183
I'd miss HLS if it got cut which is unfortunate since it's the easiest to cut. Everything else NASA is doing is trash, it isn't the future of spaceflight, it's not even the present of spaceflight. Bridenstine is doing his best, but that's a big ship with a lot of momentum.

>>12302207
Where did I say SLS is cancelled you fuckin retard?

>>12302207
nope, some of the biggest SLS shills are democrats, and the biggest is nonpartisan (Shelby has swapped sides multiple times)

>>12302062
This.
Fuck earth governments rod from god all their spaceports and quarantine these fucks in the virus zoo until the planet dies. All other alternatives = human extinction.

>>12302213
Shelby was a dem until 1 day after republicans got the majority, then he switched.
He's a piece of shit and boeing shill.
/rant

>>12302210
I recently watched one of the NASA town halls with Jim and there were actual NASA employees asking shit like "why are we expected to make unrealistic goals and work hard and long hours when we have families?"

Imagine if you said that shit in wake of Kennedy's mandate. You'd be fired. Based Jim responded with "this is civilization changing stuff, maybe working at NASA is not for you"

>>12302174
>Is it worth burning the nation down for the chance to kill SLS?
yes

>>12302183
>ISS deorbited 2024
This isn't bad. That $300 billion yet no nobel prize monster can go kill itself.

>>12302224
>oh no NASA has stopped being a cushy government job and has returned to it's roots
Yeah fuck those guys, you want to do 40 hour weeks with 4 weeks holidays talk to Raytheon or BAE.
>maybe working at NASA is not for you
I hope this isn't just dick waving and people actually get sacked, too much job security turns the job into "don't be late and don't leave early" rather than actually doing work.

>>12302183
dont care
still voting trump

>>12302197
>implying

>>12302235
No, it should be melted down to build Von Braun Station. Along with every defunct sat in GEO

>>12302224
If he ends up looking for a job that is SpaceXpilled as fuck. Although in a perfect world Bezos would realize his mistakes and get Bridenstine on board to take out his frustrations on their psuedo-oldspace culture so we could have a proper space race.

>>12302239
Better stop shitposting and get in line then.

>>12302223
just went through Shelby's wiki, other than Space he seems pretty based
> Shelby was vocal in his opposition to bailing out the banks and other corporations (such as AIG)
Sadly for Shelby (and many others before him), Space is just a tool for jobs. Even JFK didn't care about space itself.
This is why private is super-important. A plan without having to think about getting reelected every 4 years.

>>12302242
Big brain, moving it to a higher orbit would be the smart play to keep all that metal up there as long as possible.

>>12302183
Don't forget regulations protecting earth orbit from kepler sydrome caused by irresponsible corporate launches as well as firmer planetary protection policies so that we never see another bacteria filled car launched into space potentially destroying alien habitats with earth viruses.

>>12302242
>deorbit, put it into a museum
>raise orbit, future space museum for our kids
Which one, frens?

>>12302252
>raise orbit
>use it as material for orbital construction
Museums are for those that have stopped making history.

>>12302242
I wonder what kind of space station they'd be able to ship with the starship. They could make a special starship that could serve as a space station module by itself. Like, one with a detachable nose and tail. When it's ready to be docked it ejects the engines and the fuel tanks can be used for storage space.

>>12302252
ISS cannot be modified to survive re-entry and landing full stop. Space museum could potentially work although I hate every I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE fucker that would actually shell out good money to take a tour of such a monument to space mediocrity.

>>12302257
>ISS cannot be modified to survive re-entry and landing full stop
Split the modules, use Starship to bring it down.

>>12302145
>discord
/sfg/ did have a discord, for learning some "orbital mechanics" book at the start of the year.
Dunno what happened to it though, should we do it again?

>>12302261
Or... take them to the Moon and use them as habitats. Fill them with mice and food and see how long they'll survive there.

>>12302264
no

>>12302265
test cosmetics on the moon mice, do experiments on how stinky it gets inside

>>12302256
>standard payload BFR
>yeet biggest Bigelow inflatable hab it'll take into LEO
>rinse and repeat
>fuck russia, same inclination as the moon
>now have a zero delta-v cost stepping stone to operate TLI tug from
>do same in lunar sun-synchronous orbit
>use this for reusable lunar lander
With this we would finally be starting to get some real infrastructure instead of a pile of random projects with no synergy.

>>12302278
I don't understand. Can you rephrase this in a way that will guarantee jobs in my state?

Where are my Boldenposters?

Where are my GOLDINPOSTERS?

>>12302283
artisanal inflatables woven by authentic Alabama seamstresses

>>12302285
so they're just going to take memes for one personality and slap another name on it and have themselves a Bolden meme or a Goldin meme. It's not that easy in shitposting.

>>12302283
Fun fact: SpaceX sources its 304L from Shelby's state, Alabama.

>>12302290
It's the least they could do

>>12302285
Reminder that SLS is REAL. You've seen it down at Stennis. We have the core stage ready. All the boosters are done. I don't see any hardware for Starship. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>12302303
>Except that they're going to take a flying grain silo and slap some TPS and aerosurfaces on it and call it an orbital class upper stage
>it's not that easy in rocketry

>>12302290
from a Finnish company tho

>>12302311
the fins are honorary alabamians

>>12302255
It would be a museum of oldspace.

Is SpaceX seriously gonna build and launch two heavy lift vehicles in less time and for less money than Boeing can build ONE

>>12302322
Not if I have anything to say about it AND I DO! I'm gonna say the N-word!

>>12302322
no they're going to build a space shuttle

>>12302324
I agree, and also a capsule

>>12302307
The future is now old man

>>12302327
yes, it is a space shuttle (read: reusable launch vehicle) that does a spaceplane reentry (read: significant hypersonic lift) and lands as a capsule (read: non-horizontal landing)

>>12302333
>lands as a capsule
Stop making the suicide burn sound gay.

>>12302339
hover slam is more pc

>>12302339
the floppity fwoosh is a highly dynamic mission critical terminal phase event, it is in no way "gay"

>>12302344
>floppity fwoosh
Ok you have converted me, this is what I'm calling it from now on.

Hey boys, I'm back! Any SpaceX stans want to explain to me why it's Tuesday and we haven't seen your precious raptor static fire? Hmmmm I wonder if it's because SpaceX is a total disaster behind the scenes and you guys have to spend 100% of your time defending them to the end of the Earth. Raptor is a complex mess made by college dropouts with no experience, it's no wonder it keeps melting after 25 seconds of continuous thrust, even at low pressures. Seethe and cope boys

>>12302350
look man I understand that we're all a little jittery because we haven't had our dose of flying grain silos in a while but let's all calm down here okay

>>12302323
DE-...

>>12302354
Kek, anon simply must calm down

>>12302183

Lol no.

They're straight up going to guillotine the space program in one fell swoop for the explicit reason to spite the patriots and the dreamers, and to make sure the Earth becomes a planetwide debtor's prison that no one can escape. The UN will force all of its countries to abolish their space programs and ban all launches, using threat of military force against non-compliers. Musk will either get smeared with a fabricated scandal or whacked.

>>12302350
Idk any Boeing stans wanna tell me why it's taken over a year to do one hot fire on the SLS core

>>12302363
Lol

>>12302363
I wonder if SpaceX has a chain of command. Should elon die in a tesla roadster accident, or get suicided by two shots to the back of the head, I wonder if Shotwell has the capability to keep Starship on track for Mars. Surely there are other people who could take the reigns no?

>>12302363
That's what guns are for. You DO own several AR-15s, right anon?

>>12302371
Shotwell could do it, she's basically LBJ

>>12302363
Parody isn't possible in current year anon, don't try.

>>12302371
I hope he has someone vision lined up, I would be surprised if he didn't. Shotwell is a money (wo)man and has poven unwilling to take the risks needed to make real progress.

>>12302374
If I was put in a self defence situation....

>>12302382
Retard nigger, Shotwell is more ambitious than Elon, she wants to go to other stars in her lifetime. She wants to personally take Starship P2P flights this decade

>>12302382
>parody isn't possible in $currentyear, don't try
then what do you call these posts? >>12302344 >>12302333 >>12302307 >>12302283

>>12302355

>>12302344
>floppity fwoosh
the leisure dive

>>12302391
shut up

Voting for Trump based on space policy? What has this country come to

>>12302401

>>12302392
NOT SO FAST

>>12302391
True.

>>12302390
I was under the impression she got the job because Musk knows he needs to be told no sometimes or he'll risk everything for rapid progress.
>she wants to go to other stars in her lifetime
Then she doesn't understand special relativity.

>>12302390
There's this great talk on youtube with shotwell when they originally unveiled Starship. The moderator laughed it off and was like "okay this isn't going to fly though right" and she got super serious and said "...no. THIS is real. It is happening." She is a badass

>>12302403
t. Thunderf00t

>>12302392
THIS AGRESSION WILL NOT STAND

>>12302403
You're allowed to be a single-issue voter anon. I wouldn't advise it, but you can. Personally I like the direction we've gone in relation to spaceflight the past few years so I want it to continue, getting away from paying for Soyuz seats FINALLY is a huge win, as is commercial crew and farming out to commercial moon landers.
I don't want it to stop and reorganize now, there's some momentum going even though SLS remains a rotting pos on the pad.

>>12302415
Will the momentum be enough to stop the coming Boeing coup d'etat?

>>12302417
God I hope so anon

>muh politics

As someone who only cares about New Space I pity the fools who take this so seriously. No matter who wins, SpaceX will get their Air Force contracts regardless of the outcome. At this point they're indispensable to the military.
What else is there? SLS? Moon program that even Musk himself doesn't seem to care much about?

>>12302424
It's better to have a government that's in support of space as opposed to one that isn't

>>12302424
While NASA is useless technically, they absolutely must be receptive to SpaceX if we want a real Mars program. As much as we love Elon, there is only so much he can do on his own dime

>>12302424
but i care about the moon program...

>>12302424
I hope this makes it easier for you to vote for Biden, anon. I trusted you, I thought you would fight for me

>>12302424

I cannot IMAGINE a scenario where a new administrator gets picked and Artemis gets cancelled. I feel like it's too far along to stop now. Gateway pieces are being built, astronauts have been training, SLS is being built (whether we like it or not, even though it's a piece of shit). I mean I guess SLS could just be repurposed or some shit. But holy fuck imagine Artemis getting cancelled. Jim Bridenstine would go down as the greatest administrator whos time got cut short

>>12302415
I honestly can't see either side slowing down commercial crew and the DOD is so interested in SpaceX they are just about mil-industrial these days.
The real thing standing in the way of rapid progress is congress and all the senators boeing owns.

>>12302435
>that original Orion service module design
Was there any reason in particular NASA had to go to the ESA to get the service module built or was it just politics?

>>12302441
Cooperation I believe

>>12302437
I think the most likely scenario of a Biden victory is the moon landing getting pushed back to a 2028 date only to keep falling further off schedule as the years tick by

>>12302424
>haven't been to the moon in 48 years
>reason is political
>why do you care about politics

>>12302441
They looked at the never-ending pile of bills and wanted someone else to chip in.

>>12302392
>”This is Red Mars Radio and I’m your host, Mr. Red Sand, and I’ve got some news for you.”
>”The Senator known as Shelby, said to be Boeing’s top field promoter, once took an overperforming NASA rocket program by nationalizing it in full view of everyone, and had 1/10s of its rockets cannibalized by the other 9/10ths. And you thought your boss was a pain.”
>Now, I’m gonna play one of my very favorite songs for you...”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iFRa0KZsGhc

>>12302445
This is the case no matter what.

>>12302445
Moon landing is gone under a Biden administration and you're left with a vague promise of a Mars swingby sometime in the 30s.
"We've already been to the moon" was official policy last time those fuckers were in office.

>>12302437
You're not very imaginative. Artemis won't get cancelled, but it'll get deprioritized for certain. A new administrator will be appointed for certain. Everything will get pushed back 10 years, just like with every new fucking administration

>>12302445
Jesus Christ, NASA was talking about a Mars landing in the 2030's. I don't trust nasa to ever get boots to Mars by themselves unless there's another huge space race with China or something

>>12302450
>"We've already been to the moon" was official policy last time those fuckers were in office.
This, I WANT ANONS TO REMEMBER BECAUSE I SURE FUCKING DO.

>biden shills trying to demoralize us from voting trump

>>12302454
it was moon by 2020 under Bush jr

>>12302450
>"We've already been to the moon" was official policy last time those fuckers were in office
You know SLS was "started" by Obama right? I use quotes because that is when it got the name SLS and was given the lunar mission.

>>12302464
You know SLS is just Constellation rebranded?

>>12302464
incorrect, SLS under Obama was going to an asteroid or something

>>12302464
>that is when it got the name SLS
yes
>and was given the lunar mission
lol no. Unless you count the Asteroid Redirect Mission as a "lunar mission"

>>12302464
bregrudgenly you fucking retard, it was a compromise with congress. you braindead moron

SpaceX is dead. Kamala Harris will pull the plug and give all the money to minorities and pocs

>>12302454
>Jesus Christ, NASA was talking about a Mars landing in the 2030's.
Back then, it seemed so far off as to be ridiculously conservative. Now it's apparent that had that remained policy all this time, we would still be looking at the schedule slipping to the 2040s or beyond.
>>12302459
Being realistic about the capabilities of oldspace isn't an attempt to demoralize anyone about Trump, it's to get them focusing on the right things. Vote trump. Preserve what good NASA is capable of doing. Just don't become an insufferable doomer when the state fucks up like usual.

Please vote Biden if you care about solving problems on Earth, here and now

>>12302471
>Kamala will tell the DOD who they can give money to
Do you believe that or do you think the spare change NASA gives SpaceX is going to come close to DOD funding.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21503165/spacex-space-development-agency-contract-missile-warning-satellites-starlink
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/05/spacex-and-us-army-sign-deal-to-test-starlink-broadband-for-military-use/
https://observer.com/2020/10/elon-musk-spacex-military-rocket-contract-deliver-weapons/

>>12302478
Suck my dick

>>12302480
Kamala Harris will pull the plug on privatization of space

Someone mind editing this image so it says "TRUMP flies you to the moon" and "BIDEN flies you into buildings"?

>>12302482
Kamala harris is sexy mamma, case closed

>>12302483
ask the russian bots to do it

>>12302485
I wonder if sexy mommy Tulsi would give a shit about spaceflight. We could probably tell her to support it as an oak branch for peace with other countries and to invest in space force tech like better rockets

>>12302482
Got a single source on that fella?

>>12302483
nigga, paint exists

>>12302485
Got a single source on that fella?

>>12302496
I bet he's a ph*neposter

>>12302499
My eyes, AWOOOGA

>>12302464
>You know SLS was "started" by Obama right?
No. Obama canceled Constellation, Congress revived it into SLS, and then wrote it into law so Obama couldn't touch it.

>>12302503
I can't wait for this to be over just because the retarded fanboys will stop shilling their favorite neoliberal.

>>12302482
She may dislike manned spaceflight, but she can't touch a law abiding company.

>>12302483
Here you go, nerd. Because I'm in a good mood.

>>12302512
Doomers don't care. Way back some dude used to constantly spout the same shit about Pence of all people.

Remember that Democrats hate spaceflight. :)

>>12302512
Don't forget about those "liberal" regulations they always push out

>>12302512
Government has nukes and she can pull the plug
To be honest I don't give a fuck who wins, provided they don't stop SpaceX from sending a starship to MARS

>>12302515
Doomerism is for filthy welldwellers who don't want to amount to anything.

>>12302403
>Noooo why would someone vote based on issues they consider important

>>12302519
>Government has nukes and she can pull the plug
That is a very stupid argument. Governments that are happy to bomb their own assets into submission don't last for very long.

>>12302517
it's so true it aint even funny

>>12302478
Eat my ass

>>12302530
>not using a tactical nuke on boeing to send a message
Sure it would cost a couple of billion but that's only like 2 years of boeing bailouts anyway.

>>12302481
>>12302533
Be careful what you wish for ;)

Worst case scenario, we take things into our own hands
Grain silo rockets with MSR thermal engines from unemployed Russian nuclear physicists

Anons, look like orange man can still win this thing, big jim isnt fired yet!!!

Today in history:
>1957 – Sputnik programme: The Soviet Union launches Sputnik 2. On board is the first animal to enter orbit, a dog named Laika.
>1973 – Mariner programme: NASA launches the Mariner 10 toward Mercury. On March 29, 1974, it becomes the first space probe to reach that planet.

what do you see

>poured rubber for hybrid motor a month-and-a-half ago
>mrw still hasn't set

>>12302549
Jim isn't fired either way, why would anyone fire a guy that has been non-partisan and is good at his job?
Also mail-in don't get counted today and orange man hates mail-ins for a reason.

>>12302560
Free real estate

>>12302562
>Also mail-in don't get counted today and orange man hates mail-ins for a reason.
Eurofag here. Haven't people been sending in their mail in votes for weeks? Why are they not being counted today?

>>12302561
Actively cool it, numbnuts
Cool water will let it set faster

>>12302561
Nitrous oxide?
Self pressurizing?
I have done a heap of solids and have been thinking about making the leap to hybrid.

>>12302565
Some bullshit tradition, postal votes are counted last.

>>12302565
"there's too many!" is the only excuse I'm hearing, which sounds like nonsense. They're for sure trying to pull another 2000 where it drags on for weeks/months

>>12302561
If it still hasn't set, you fucked up the ratio.

>>12302571
Just get rid of mail in voting then lol
Sounds like the most trivial shit to corrupt

>>12302562
THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN EXPLICITLY SAID THEY ARE LOOKING TO APPOINT A WOMAN TO NASA ADMINISTRATOR CAN YOU FUCKING READ

>>12302579
How so? Lawyers use the mail because it's the most secure way to move information in the NSA age.

>>12302581
>THEY ARE LOOKING TO APPOINT A WOMAN
And that's a good thing

>>12302586
It's 2020
Good things are bad things

>>12302586
Why, unless you have someone good in mind then it's merely insulting pandering.

>>12302586
only if she's hot

>1971 paper
>basically predicts f9 style landings are the way to go
>nobody gave a shit until some random south african pulled it off with pocket change and as a result btfoing all world superpowers in terms space flight capability
>http://americanrocketnews.com/19790072472_1979072472_Propulsive_Landing_of_Ballistic_Vehicles.pdf

>>12302586
No, it isn’t.

Assuming that
>LOX can be produced in DIY'd workshop/lab
Could conventional car diesel/gasoline be used for propellant and which one is better?
Asking for a friend.

>>12302585
Postal service is dogshit and anyone could just throw out ballots if they wanted lol, or submit ballots from people who aren’t real voters.

>>12302586
Woman like shotwell are a fluke.

>>12302600
>anyone could just throw out ballots if they wanted lol
>or submit ballots from people who aren’t real voters
How is that different to ballots dropped in boxes?

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/about-us/updates/rocket-lab-to-launch-most-diverse-mission-yet/

>Mass Simulator: Gnome Chompski
>Organization: Gabe Newell, Founder of Valve Software
Fucking memelords flock together.

>>12302566
Its been sitting in an uninsulated shed during cold weather. Maybe I messed up the ratio.
>>12302569
>Nitrous oxide?
>Self pressurizing?
Yes, and yes. Although, acrylic may be better than HTPB if mixing is a pain.

>>12302608
https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1323335303008903170

>>12302599
The common hydrocarbons are pretty shit because of carbon buildup on the power-head when running fuel rich to control temperatures.
For a hobbiest crazy enough to go liquid alcohol / nitrious oxide would be the easiest / safest.

>>12302608
>>12302612
Neat, when does it fly? I'll tune in.

>>12302617
Says so right there.
"The mission, which will be Rocket Lab’s 16th Electron launch, will lift-off from Launch Complex 1 on New Zealand’s Māhia Peninsula during a 14-day launch window that opens on November 16 NZT / November 15 UTC. "

First time playing KSP!
What do you think of my rocket!

>>12302604
Those disappear into government bureaucracy to a lesser extent, and require people to actually show up to voting booths at least.

>>12302368
Don't forget the demo flight to ISS too!

>>12302621
>launch escape tower
You are just adding dead weight.

Jim and Artemis aren't the only things that Trump has done with space. There's a huge number of changes that have been made including the National Space Council, Space Force, space weather reforms, taking the burden of space collisions off of the Space Force and giving it to the Commerce department, 100+ agreements with other countries for space collision data sharing, forcing Congress to spend even more money on NASA because of threats to cut their climate science funding, FAA and Commerce department updating rules on commercial spaceflight which have allowed companies to grow their capabilities...

>>12302623
Which is more dangerous: Starliner or this capsule shaped cartridge?

>>12302627
The cartridge can only kill one person.

>>12302624
if you jettison LES right after first stage burnout then the mass penalty is insubstantial

>>12302633
You don't need an LES for an Ares I-X anyways. You're dead with or without it

>>12302625
Is some of that what Pence has been up to behind the scenes? Sounds like good progress on all fronts to me, especially the data sharing for space collisions that's definitely important.

Can't wait till after the election and the political shills stop spamming

>>12302642
Speaking of the election what happened to asteroid 2020? Wasn't it meant to be yesterday?

>>12302642
>being upset that people are discussing something that has a direct impact on spaceflight in the /Spaceglight General/

>>12302138
>speaking for “us”
Shigy

>>12302593
They didn't have the processing power in 1971 to make that work without a human pilot

>>12302313
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8R7GXGWf0

>>12302623
So why exactly does it suck badly? Is it literally because pajeets can't into coding? Someone spoon-feed me please.

>>12302627
Wow dude what’s the ISP of gunpowder

>>12302642
Politics has a direct impact on spaceflight, dummy

>>12302115
Most /sci/ threads aren't discussions but rather questions and answers or shitposts.
/sfg/ is the kind of thread you can actually have a conversation in talking about different mission profiles, launch vehicles, hyperthetical projects ect.
Most here are interested enough you can ask "is a dyson swarm viable" and get people arguing for and against them, the same is true for most space topics.

tl:dr; space fanboys actually make the thread better unlike brand fanboys.

>>12302651
The culture at Boeing has changed from "make good thing" to "make as much money as possible", this has effected them at every level.
They didn't simulate the launch on flight hardware because they assumed it would work and checking is extra work for no extra money.

>>12302650
>texas flag
>alabama

>>12302627
>>12302631
Starliner can kill 7-10 people, depending on how many were staying on ISS.

>>12302671
Texas is gonna annex Alabama and Georgia when the civil war starts in a few hours

>>12302651
Boeing (probably) didn't actually outsource coding on Starliner to India like they did on the 737 MAX. That's just a meme. The real issue with Starliner's code was the fact that they only ever tested the individual components, and never ran a test on the fully-integrated system before the first flight. Theoretically, if they were sufficiently confident in the quality of their code, this would save a bit of money and speed up delivery, but it ended up being an avoidable, highly public, fuckup instead.

>>12302593
>>12302649
The paper isn't exactly calling for F9-style rockets either.

>Physically, many of these vehicles have a conical shape similar to that of the Apollo command module. However, the cone is frequently truncated; and the cone half angle is often less than Apollo's 33 degrees. Ascent propulsion is supplied either by a large diameter plug nozzle engine situated around the base of the cone or by a number of high chamber pressure bell nozzle engines placed around the base.

They knew that going with TSTOs and no wings gave you much better margins than anything else, but they hadn't really settled on a design beyond that.

>>12302649
They could guide bombs to a precise location with 1970s tech. The memo certainly seems to think it was feasible.

>>12302671
my spurdo folder isn't infinite

>>12302680
Nah, the civil war starts when Trump says "they stole the election from me" and retards believe it. I give it 2 days.

>>12302680
>texan army skipping over arkansas, louisiana, and mississippi on their way to conquer georgia and alabama
I don't blame them desu

>>12302680
Alabama and Georgia is the rightful clay of Tennessee and its people. Texas can have New Mexico and Louisiana.

>>12302651
>no fully integrated testing of code
>capsule pulled the wrong info about its orbit despite every sensor telling it otherwise
>took a while before remote control could be established
>antenna getting jammed too easily by background radio noise
>thrusters not changing their mapping when the service module was jettisoned which could've resulted in a collision
>other errors that was implied but wasn't mentioned

>>12302687
> I don't blame them desu

They wanted to secure the coasts but found Louisiana too much of a vile swamp in that department.

>>12302686
Who cares who really “wins” the election? I’d like my preferred candidate to take over whether or not they got the votes/electoral college.
Democracy is a meme.

>>12302699
legitimacy is still important for the same reasons as in crusader kings

>>12302688
>Georgia being conquered by anyone
Considering Georgia is the Empire State of the South, I think it’d be the other way around.

>>12302699
I see the problems with democracy but if you are going to go dictatorship you don't hold an election first, that is how you get civil wars.
If you look at history the best way to transition from democracy to a dictatorship is to let the same party keep winning for a solid decade then coup their ass.

>>12302703
In Crusader Kings, I throw troublemakers into the oubliette and replace them with loyal vassals. Let’s go!

>>12302712
The fact no one wants to talk about is in reality money wins wars and commiefornia has all the shekels.

>>12302699
why do conservatives hate freedom?

>>12302724
>Assuming I’m a conservative

Haha no

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOifuHs6eY
circa 5:00 if you want to get to the good stuff. This popped up on my feed and reminded me of something I've been wanting to ask
I've taken organic chemistry so I am well aware of how much hexagons contribute to life.
So when I see isogrids for rockets made in non-hexagon shapes I lose some faith in humanity.
Is this a manufacturing issue or something else entirely?

>>12302724
everyone loves freedom until they realize it applies to other people also

>>12302720
Being rich didn’t stop the Romanovs from being shot to death. Money means nothing without backing manpower and will.

>>12302727
Rectangles are easier to machine. Triangles are stronger than hexagons.

>>12302727
It was a manufacturing issue that has been solved.
See long ass video because I can't remember when they talk about the new geometry thanks to modern CNC.
https://youtu.be/o0fG_lnVhHw

>>12302742
>modern CNC
Wasn't it new more advanced simulation software that let them shave a few more grams with the new design?
>meanwhile at spacex: haha stainless welding goes bzzzz

>>12302762
I honestly don't remember but if you have the time they get into details in the video.
Also as much as I hate ULA the Centaur is fucking impressive, check it out.

>>12302772
Centaur is pretty good all things considered. Especially good as a kickstage if you aren't wasting your energy with a hydrogen first stage (which is what ULA loves doing). I wish the air force got its wish and got the new RL-10 replacements made in the USA instead of imported from Russia. Imagine the RL10 on steroids

>>12302778
Wait forget everything I said I got RD180's mixed up with RL10's. I got no sleep last night

>cars are leaving, pad is looking empty
lunch break? shift change? or another test about to happen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M

>>12302786
road is closed, generator has been started. looks like they're going to test SN8.

>>12302780
Yes. The famous RD-10.

>>12302623
Literally a fucking capsule and somehow they cant make it work correctly.

>>12302795
I don't know if anyone has every told you this anon, but space is notoriously difficult

>Elon confirms starlink working on sailboats

I'm out niggers, property is going to be on the market soon. Fucking sick of paying these parasite local council cunts ever increasing amounts of rents for land I fucking OWN debt free.

>>12302778
Centaur is a great stage running a great engine... for geostationary transfer orbits or earth escape. Using it for crewed missions to LEO is just retarded.
As for the RL10 it has almost been too successful with stupid shit like Lunex coming out of it. It's probably going to be the reason we end up with a hydrolox based lunar fuel network.

>>12302586
meritocracy is fucking dead

>>12302724
both major parties in the US hate freedom

>>12302802
landlubbers fucking losing it right now

>>12302793
Do the russians even have hydrogen engines?

>>12302827
Yes, but they're not used much.

>>12302827
Only recently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-0146

>>12302833
Thats not the first russian hydrolox engine. The core stage of energia ran on hydrolox

>kendra horn will be the next nasa admin
>all non BOING related sls programs are canceled and given cost plus to BIONG
they dont want us to escape this planet

>>12302833
>Only recently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-0120
RD-0120 says lol.

>>12302742
Tory seems like a cool guy

>>12302838
>>12302843
Yeah I just found this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_Satellite_Launch_Vehicle
Looks like that was their first hydrolox and it was only used on that rocket. It's almost like the Russians understood what hydrolox was good for.

>>12302833
Yeah I just found this article. Thank you. Developed with the help of Pratt & Whitney. I was trying to see what rocket Orel is going to be launched on and it lead me down a rabbit hole. There's like 5 proposed rockets all being "planned" but I have no fucking idea which one they are going with. Does Russia even have a solid plan at this point for their future in spaceflight? I see Angara, and Irtysh (aka Soyuz-5, all RP-1)

>>12302841
Wanting to escape the planet is a sign of a bigoted colonial ideology

>>12302843
What the absolute FUCK is this thing? Looks like frankenstein's monster lmao.

>>12302841
>SpaceX gives their condolences to NASA and continues their Mars work

>>12302852
For the last couple of decades they seem to keep running programs for a few years then canning them because they have no money and just improve the R-7 a little instead.
I know they are looking at revisiting a USSR plan for glid back boosters.

>>12302857
Look at the development date, man. 1976 and they only made it because the Americans were using hydrogen as a sustainer engine so they needed parity.

>>12302857
The Soviet version of the RS-25. It's probably cheaper than the new RS-25E too.

>>12302862
>glid back boosters.
Do glide back boosters hold any advantages over vertical landing boosters?

>>12302873
They are easier to fly manually in an era without computers. So nowadays, no advantage.

>>12302873
>can expend all fuel
>have wings as dead weight
Really depends how low mass fraction they can get the wings / landing gear.

>>12302873
No, they actually have more mass because of wings and wheels, but maybe they need less reserved fuel so it comes out on the wash.

>>12302863
>>12302867
Oh I see, it was the booster for Energia. The core used four of these (equivalent to the SSME) and then it had four boosters where the RD-170's were used. I've never really looked into Energia, just the Buran orbiter. Holy shit SLS should have just copied Energia, not the fucking space shuttle. Does the USA have an RD170 equivalent for boosters to replace SRB's?

>>12302884
Energia wasn’t around till after shuttle was retired I think.

>>12302786
they're pokemon going to the polls

>>12302884
NASA considered liquid boosters "too powerful and too dangerous", which is quite retarded considering the safety or lack thereof of the solid rocket boosters.

>>12302884
I think the RD170 was their way of trying to do an F1 with shittier technology. One of the original proposals for SLS was SSME core with F1B boosters, basically the same thing as Energia and way fucking cooler than what we have now

>>12302884
>Does the USA have an RD170 equivalent for boosters to replace SRB's?
F-1B

>>12302884
>Does the USA have an RD170 equivalent for boosters to replace SRB's?
Yes, but they were dropped in favor of SRBs. I believe the reasoning was that developing 5 segment SRBs would've been cheaper than staring new engine production.

>>12302891
Thats not right at all

>>12302899
No. The argument was actually "too powerful and too dangerous".

>>12302891
Do you live in backwards time?

>>12302904
Fucking SLS is so shitty it can't even handle the power of the chad F1

>>12302860
What stands in our way bros? If Elon gets DoD money, WHAT STANDS IN OUR WAY

>>12302904
>so we have boosters
>that provide a fuckload of trust
>allowing a huge sustainer stage for big boy payloads
>and they can throttle down for max-Q
>or even shutdown in an emergancy
Nope, fuck that. Give me ride or die solids people.

>>12302907
I AM the congress

>>12302909
FAA or "military secret bro, can't risk it falling on china".

>>12302905
Shuttle flew In 81 Energias first flight was In 87 am I missing something here?

>>12302860
>the liberals make it illegal to colonize space over contamination concerns
>space colonization is put on indefinite environmental review

>>12302909
You're forgetting about someone, and that will be your downfall. NATIONALIZE this man for the safety and security of AMERICAN JOBS.

>>12302921
Energia flew at the same time as the Space Shuttle. It flew one Buran mission and then the Soviet Union dissolved. Shuttle flew until 2012.

>>12302928
Oh, okay.

>>12302891
>>12302921
>tfw not in the timeline where the Shuttle was only flown once in 81 before being retired for more sensible launchers

>>12302883
I reckon it evens out when it saves you some 15-20 seconds of boostback burn

Doesnt the raptor kick on landing waste fuel? Why dont they use rcs to orient it?

>>12302944
>you will never see a world with the Saturn MLV instead of the shuttle

>>12302945
No header tanks either.

So, is SLS Artemis 2.0?
I know the program is much more 'advanced' than the last time, but you need to pay them "reparations".

>>12302950
Clarify your first sentence I have no clue what you are asking lmao. As for the second thing, Starship does use RCS to help orient when it comes in to land (I believe that is what you are asking). SN8, SN9, and all other raptors from here on out will have RCS thrusters installed on them

>>12302976
Fight for power in space

>>12302976
Zubrin is retarded, in a good way.
Maybe that's hes problem.
He never managed to get political support for any of hes shit.

>>12302976
MARS BITCHES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRygA_sM6lM

>>12302973
You should try talking like you're not a algorithm

>>12302989
I'm not? wtf?

>>12302976
>mfw I'm a space geek and a political extremist

>>12302989
Kek

>>12302989
Also you could consider answering the question if you read it.

>>12302958
Reentry burn might still be needed to keep heating moderate, but still it saves a lot of fuel when you don't need to essentially kill all your horizontal speed and then some more in space to rtls but can do a ballistic reentry and then just glide back like a plane.

>>12303004
If you're too stupid to understand the subtext I'll spell it out for you.
I don't know what you're trying to ask.

>>12302997
CONTOLISTS
RISE UP

>>12303008
I'm asking if Dems will cancel SLS as they did Artemis.
How hard is it to understand?

>>12303013
Dems created artemis, they didn't kill it.

>>12302977
the raptors swing to orient on landing

>>12303004
Speak english motherfucker
Your post made absolutely no sense

https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2020/11/03/boeing-corporate-yacht-daedalus-sold.amp.html

guys....boeing sold their yacht :(

>>12303013
SLS is written into law by both Republican and Democrat Congressmen. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.

>>12302655
Very low, it's a monopropellant built from heavy elements. Low energy per unit mass, high molecular weight exhaust.

>>12303032
Fug, this is what happens when you only give them a couple of billion in tax dollars for fucking up.

>>12303037
>It's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Both politically and literally

Anyways, just watch as all your Space gets cancelled in 2021.
This was a fun ride, but it ends here.

>>12303047
ok doomer

>>12302525
He's just taking credit for SpaceXs success from na Obama era program. What has happened is continued pork for SLS named Artemis

>>12303047
>/pol/ pretends to know anything about politcs

>>12302471
Stop shilling your shitty lies

>>12302973
Sorry, I messed up, I meant Constellation.

>>12302884
>Does the USA have an RD170 equivalent for boosters to replace SRB's?
Yeah, a small cluster of Raptors. Two methalox boosters each with 9 Raptors would allow SLS to actually put >150,000 kg to LEO, as well as much more payloads to TLI.

>>12303057
Now you tell me what Biden will do with NASA?
What? You don't know either?
Nobody does, even NASA.

>>12302464
SLS is Constellation and that was made by congress to continue funding for shuttle contractors.
During the last administration is when they were pushing for more funding for commercial crew and the orbital fuel depots which Shelby killed.

>>12302976
Ok but no niggers in space

>>12302581
How is that bad?

>>12303065
Elon ain't sharing those Raptor engines lmao. SLS can fucking rot on the test stand for a year and pray it makes it past the karman line with its RS-25's
>>12303044
Gave me a good laugh

>>12303057
Damn, age didn't do him any good.
Is this really the same person?

>>12302976
If you want power over Earth your best bet is to colonize space anyway, so it's win-win

>>12303068
>Nobody does
What are you talking about? >>12303047 knows

>>12302581
Guess Jim can transition and get the job back.
Fuck competence.

>>12303081
Politicians are whoever they need to be at the time to win the most votes

>>12303076
Wonen are low IQ retards

>>12303081
Have you seen Obama recently? Dude looks like he has aged 30 years.

>>12303085
Guess I'm the only one then.

>>12303081
The guy looks pretty good for almost 80, dementia notwithstanding.

All of you fags are brainlets. The politics that run space policies have nothing to do with Democrat-Republican bullshit and everything to do with congressmen ensuring jobs in their states. As you all know NASA has had no shortage of promising prototypes and plans for good rockets and missions over the decades but ultimately Congress is who decides what happens. See the Shuttle, Constellation and SLS.

>>12303104
Must be why Obango cancelled Constellation.
Where would we be at without this?

>>12302983
Based

>>12303104
So what's been happening the past 3 years with Big Jim putting oldspace's feet to the fire to get shit done actually didn't matter?

>>12303112
Constellation was even more hopeless and over budget than SLS is now

>>12302741
>Rectangles are easier to machine
False

>>12303104
Wrong idiot. The administrator (most of the time elected by the incumbent POTUS) determines the direction NASA goes. Trump wanted Artemis... but Artemis is under the restriction of congress (both dems and repubs who want money). If you get a democrat president he will cancel most human spaceflight shit and focus on climate science because that will win him likes on twitter.

>>12303122
Yeah, but it would have launched by now.

>>12303117
I like Jim but if that had made a difference oldspace would have improved right? In what way would you say they have improved?

>>12303112
>Constellation fans in /sci/

>>12303080
You're not incorrect about that, but it's nice to imagine ways in which SLS is even slightly less than a complete fuck-up. The idea with the Raptor boosters would be that SpaceX would be getting a joocy contract to develop a reusable Raptor-based booster for SLS that would give the stack enough performance to meet the legal definition of a Block 2 SLS. SpaceX would get paid $500 million to develop "Falcon Heavy Booster but Raptor and Bigger", and would be paid $250 million per booster supplied, for a total initial contract payout of about $1 billion. These big methalox boosters would be reusable for at least ten launches, ie 5 years of maximum flight rate SLS program cadence. They'd also be piss-easy for SpaceX to develop, because they'd make them out of steel rings which don't need TPS or anything like that.

Mister President.

>>12303133
Delet this

>>12303130
He stopped Boeing from turning the HLS into a cost-plus program reliant on SLS for one thing

>>12303117
What has Jim done exactly besides finally warming up to SpaceX after all of the things they have achieved with meager funding by NASA? all that's happened is an extremely tenuous plan for Artemis which is just a half assed plan to give SLS something to do.

>>12303133
That's what it was supposed to do.
And it did it well.
Now I understand getting cold feet on launching on a SRB, but as long as you got a LES system ready, it's just shakier than usual for astronauts.

>>12303137
Where is the ULA sniper when you need him?

>>12303140
Congress decide what contracts are used. McCain pushed hard to ditch cost+ while he was alive and it looks like some have realised he was right.

>>12303145
member last Nasa director?
Yeah, me neither.

>>12303127
>If you get a democrat president he will cancel most human spaceflight shit and focus on climate science because that will win him likes on twitter
So naive

>>12303123
You're right, there's no difference in difficulty for a computer to machine out triangular isogrid vs square isogrid, but the latter is actually faster, because for the same overall part stiffness the tool doesn't need to do as many cells, which means fewer tool changes and plunge cuts etc.

>>12303155
He wanted the depots and more money for SpaceX, I remember that

>>12303145
>all that's happened is an extremely tenuous plan for Artemis which is just a half assed plan to give SLS something to do.
Artemis actually being an actual lunar landing mission with a time frame is far from half assed given the context of being stuck with SLS. If congress had their way Gateway would be the only part of the project with every module being launched on SLS

>>12303081
He is zombie puppet.

>>12303136
It's just one big fuck up. NASA really really wanted to get back to the Moon and the ONLY way they could have convinced congress to give them the money would be to keep all shuttle contractors employed y'know? In hindsight they should have just thrown in a fuckload of money to Starship and New Glenn to get them there, and told Boeing they could build a little lander with shuttle tech. And made everything cost-per-ton instead of cost-plus.
I mean look at Artemis now: we have 99% of this. Gateway is being delivered and resupplied by commercial companies; landers are commercial companies. Literally the ONLY thing that is oldspace is the heavy lifter. But it's draining so so so so much money in comparison to everything else that it makes the whole project look like a failure

>>12303152
Shooting the commies that are trying to take down the God-Emperor.

>>12303159
Biden's pick has already stated this you nigger loving liberal jew cock sucker

>>12303161
Sure, but Trump got them even moar money.

>>12303133
Now look at the other part of it. Suspiciously similar to the the old orange turd, isn't it?
That boomstick was the "oh well, guess we need to cobble together *something* to show that we've worked on something" bit of it anyways.

>>12303164
I know you're to young to remember but it's pretty easy to see though all the bullshit.

>>12303175
More money for SLS you mean

>>12303159
Fucking think about what the average democrat voter wants when they talk about space. "Climate Science" and "Down with Starlink because of astrophotography" is not a strawman, its a fact. Right-wing people applaud a Moon landing because it's what their party is pushing for.

>>12303178
wtf? I love Bush now.

>>12303183
Moar money for everyone. What is there not to like?
I mean, he had to pay SLS, but we all know it's over.

>>12303178
>a president making yet another speech to leave earth orbit in the next 15 years is comparable to attempting to do a moon landing in the next 4

>>12302612
>the gnome being launched in HL2 EP2 gets replicated IRL before HL3 is released

>>12303178
I remember that speech. He kept pronouncing "exploration" as "expiration" so it sounded like he was calling for development of the crew expiration vehicle, even though we already had the shuttle.

>>12303202
Such is life when you work for Valve, where you work on whatever you feel like working on.

Anyways, I'm of Europe, and I wish you the best.but I'm not going sleepless for this.
Hopefully I wake up to Trump 4 more years.
Don't let me down.

>>12303184
There is nothing preventing more money for essential climate science research and manned missions. The simple fact that precludes all of this is that no administration since Apollo has had any sort of strong will to plan meaningful human space exploration since he public is resistant to large spending in space. Even in the Apollo era people lost interest in the program and it ended with the last two Apollo missions being canceled.

>>12303203
That was Orion btw which is yet to have more than a test flight on a Delta IV

>>12303230
>Orion was originally supposed to be a quick to make capsule that could launch on existing vehicles
>"Whoops it's gotten to heavy and complicated to launch on existing vehicles guess we'll need to build a shuttle derived launcher to get it into space :^)"
The gap in US spaceflight should have been no longer than 2 years

>>12303230
Orion is OK, until you look at how much money was sunk into it.
My god, do they know no limit?
It's almost costlier than the booster itself.
For a fucking capsule.

>>12303159
Lori Garver would be NASA admin if Biden wins and she openly thinks we should abandon human spaceflight

>>12303241
Good thing we have SpaceX then.

>>12303127
So now you're cheering for SLS pork when Trump wants to use it?

>>12303237
That's cause it's a Lockheed-managed program. They generally make good products, but break the bank in the process. I suppose its preferable to Boeing's alternative of costing slightly less but never actually delivering what they've been paid for.

>>12303247
Who said we're against piggies?

>>12303249
Well, I'm sorry, but why are you talking about delivery rate, when it never flied?

>>12303247
SLS isn't going away so wouldn't you rather that it'd be used for something cool like a Moon Landing rather than any of the other make work projects that have been proposed for it?

>>12303178
>Research on the station will be focused on studying the long-term effects of space travel on humans
If only

>>12303262
At this rate, SLS will explode on the pad in 2077.
It's fucking useless.

>>12303258
The Orion capsule has been more or less ready to go since the flight in 2014. They're building 3 at the moment, with the Artemis 1 vehicle being done.

>>12303273
Did Boing! ever do any integration tests on the capsule software?

>>12303264
There is no need for this.
Muh radiation: Mars gets 4 times less and it's night everyday.
Muh travel time?
Is it any better than being on Erf in lockdown?

>>12303230
>>12303236
>>12303237
Here's a video of them testing the LES of orion... this was done so long ago NASA didn't even use HD cameras yet.
https://youtu.be/JLdP-L7D58g

>>12303273
If it's reusable and they're only gonna fly it once a year then 3 almost seems like overkill

>>12303246
SpaceX benefits a lot from partnering with NASA

>>12303276
Boeing has nothing to do with Orion. The capsule is built by Lockheed, and ESA is responsible for the service module. The integrated command-service module for Artemis 1 has been undergoing testing as a single unit, but I'm not sure to what extent they've tested the thing.

>>12303284
I know. That's why I want Trump to win.
All I can see with Biden is everything getting cancelled because we need to pay socialism.

>>12303279
Orion is so old that it was designed for the Ares V and thus can barely go to the moon with SLS

>>12303291
I you're proud of being duped by Trump and his transparent lies then that's on you

>>12303279
Holy fuck I was in 5th or 6th grade when they were testing this thing. It was supposed to be the cheap cool capsule to take us past LEO in a few years. I now have a job and my own house and it hasn’t left LEO

>>12303300
What Qtard community do you comme from. I'm stating facts, Biden will fuck up NASA.

>>12303279
Back when Orion having a LES was still a major selling point in the wake of the Columbia disaster. What a fucking ride it's been

>>12303291
Teenagers should really stop posting here.

>>12303309
See you in five years.

>>12303300
Must be hard to reconcile being a Biden supporter and a spaceflight fan considering the candidate you support will objectively have an adverse effect on the nations space program

>>12303300
Artemis has Trumps name all over it. You think after the last four years of Democrat hysteria that they'll mature overnight and not burn anything Trump touched to the ground.

I'm GMT but I'm up all night rooting for Artemis. Don't let me down America.

>>12303307
Are you having a stroke? Qtards are Trump fans and Trump himself has shared those conspiracies

>>12303312
Yeah, I wonder how the actual spaceflight people voted.

>>12303312
>objectively have an adverse effect on the nations space program
This is all asspulls since the ones responsible for NASAs stagnation are the congressmen legislating the gravy train for old space contractors

>>12303315
Look, don't be mad at me when Space is cancelled is all I'm saying.
Even Elon Musk doesn't have infinite pockets.

>>12303315
I understand you very much think you know best but for the sake of the thread just shut the fuck up.

He's winning.