/sci/ - Science & Math

First for Kendra Horn

>>12288973
Second for lori graver

Reminder that SLS will reach orbit before Starship

Biden should make planetary protection even strict. Mars should be for scientific exploration. Let's focus on fixing Earth instead of fueling billionaires ambitions.

>>12288980
you do know that ritualistic posting like that is a bannable offense, right

Climate change is the most important challenge of this century. After we solve that we can think of space in the 22nd century.

Starship... is a spaceplane

>>12288973
Eighth for Zubby

>>12289002
shave your fucking head you bum

>>12288989
Does it count as a plane if its protrusions don't produce lift?

>>12289026
they do though

>>12288989
it's also a space capsule. change my mind

>>12289028
you are correct

>>12289027
There's some minute differences between drag and lift.

>>12289027
my dick produces lift

>>12289002
Fourteenth for shave your head you JUSTed looking motherfucker

>>12289006
>>12289032
Retards. Just look at bezos - that is what happens when your face isn't suitable for the bald look. Zubrin at least is self aware enough that he'll look ridiculous with shaved head and not sufficiently appearance obsessed so as to wear a wig.

>>12288989
Spaceplanes can't lift steel beams

>>12288980
Would it count if they launch sls on top of starship just to get it out to space and forget about this embarrassment?

>>12288973
Did they do this on purpose for a second helping of delicious luvverly gibs?

>>12289030
correct
Starship only produces significant lift (beyond the "hey I kinda want to fall vaguely... thisish way" you're all thinking of in the terminal skydiver descent) during the thermal hypersonic reentry, where in order to stay up and out of the deepest and densest parts of the atmosphere until it's slowed down it lifts up, or alternatively, during interplanetary capture at Earth or Mars, where it pulls down to stay inside the atmosphere longer so it doesn't need to go as deep

>>12289038
the Super Heavy booster can lift SLS (without the solids, they won't fit) to space, but not to orbit. It'll just land in the ocean unless you can manage to air-start the RS-25

It will be sad if Bridenstein isn't the Admin after the election

>>12289047
What if you fill the tanks with just the boeing management?

>>12289057
it'll land in the ocean, slightly faster this time because the employees will be motivated

https://twitter.com/SpacePadreIsle/status/1322023020333060098

damn...

>>12289063

>>12289047
>unless you can manage to air-start the RS-25
isn't it just using a glorified spark plug?

>>12289079
aerojet and boeing claim that it's not that easy in rocketry, I don't believe them

>>12288989
Starship... is a space zeppelin

>>12289086
not until they put one in Venus

>>12289086
Graf Zeppelin was 44m in diameter
Starship is mere 9m

>>12289113
>Graf Zeppelin was 44m in diameter
He was a big guy.

>>12289061
I did some math and apparently it just barely can make it to orbit in expendable mode if you put those RS-25 to where they belong (in museum) and strip the core stage down some more or somehow manage to fit another 150 tons of fuel in super heavy. Given the obvious significance of such endeavor I think it could be managed.

What the fuck does this tweet even mean? Trump decides NASA policy, not Jim. Congress decides NASA funding, not Jim. What the fuck does Jim's "policy" have to do with angering politicians? Not crapping on Obama's policy??? WTF republicans are majority in favor of commercial space

>>12289120
I mean "Graf Zeppelin" not "graf von Zeppelin"
he was a considerably less girthy

>>12289135
he made some good music

>>12289138
yeah he was a good lad

>>12289134
Have you heard Jim B crapping on Dems? No? That's the problem.

Apparently some Armenians are protesting SpaceX today. Anybody know if it's streamed somewhere?

anybody giving a listen?

>>12289157
What would that even accomplish

>>12289159
nobody cares about the Armenians
suck to be them I guess

anybody giving a listen?
https://youtu.be/YukNI3Op4r0?list=PLGZbuWTzf2mI5yygptxIeTZN6G0hhq3zb

>>12289134
>just rumors
so nothing

>>12289168
what does anything accomplish in Washington?
hint: nothing

>>12288980
>posting anime
cringe
>posting FOTM anime
double cringe
>having anything nice to say about SLS
unfathomably cringe

>>12289181
>anime
>cringe

>>12289185
very.

>>12289185

>>12289191
>>12289187

>>12289185
You bet your ass it is, pedo

>>12289187
>>12289191

Dilate

>>12289185
>>12289187
>>12289191
>>12289192
>>12289195
>>12289201
getting off topic guys

>>12289185
>>12289192
>>12289201
end of discussion

>>12289203
>>12289204
ALPACA on Luna!

>>12289206
It's called The Moon dumbass

>>12289208
Silence, Terran

Time to get back on topic. Here's a big expensive mistake.

I'm a bit of a noob to this spaceflight thing. My question is could treasure planet actually happen?

>>12289214
is it spaceflight if you look up during the day and the sky is black?
>>12289217
no

>>12289217
no, it's looking like we're in a Gundam AU right now
Zeon will be formed on Mars this time around, which seems like a strange choice but I can buy it

Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On Mars as it is on Earth

>plutonium-powered seismometer
Those were the good days

>>12289206
I WARNED YOU ABOUT LADDERS BRO

I TOLD YOU DOG

>>12289247
Where's an Ed Teller when you need him, huh?

>>12289006
The combover goes well to complete the crazy russian scientist look.

It's been years since I played but I spent enough time around here to get the ksp bug again, finally got it working with mods. Anyone use Realism Overhaul-compatible high tech stuff? I want to be able to build up to the likes of Project Pluto or Orion.

>>12289277
>Project Pluto
doable with 60s tech
>Orion
doable with 50s tech

>>12289279
I mean you're right and I have an Orion fetish so I should have worded it better. I just meant stuff outside the scope of the mod.

‘You’re Killing Armenians!’: >Protesters Descend On SpaceX Facility To Denounce Turkish Satellite Launch

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/10/29/armenian-protest-spacex-turkey-azerbajian/

https://mobile.twitter.com/chrisamccoy/status/1320952631355871233

>>12289185
Yes, especially moe anime.
>>12289277
>>12289279
>>12289287
What effects would an Orion launch have for people nearby? I'm not one of them anti-nuclear renewable faggots, so I'm all ears.

>>12289337
it's like being nuked except it keeps happening

>>12289335
Twice in his life the jew cried sincerely - once when he was born, and the second time when the armenian was born, for he knew someone greedier than him has come to the world.

>>12289341
>it keeps happening

>>12289335
mate honestly who cares

>>12289353
What a fuckin bird

>>12289277
If you build something good post it here so I can fap to it

>>12289335
>cave to protestors, set a precedent, expected to kneel to every shithole with an extrajudicial disagreement in the future
I hate roaches but they should launch

>>12289335
Russian ally country asks SpaceX to not launch NATO country sats. Lol

>>12289383
My Eelo mission failed due to long maneuver fuckery. I had the dV, but once those ion engines started pushing, the maneuver countdown was running at 1/3 the speed of the elapsed time counter.
I fucking spent all my fuel when it should have taken only 40%. I could have activated the unlimited fuel hack, but my player honor made me destroy the failed ship in rage.

WTF is this jewry? Are ion/NTP engines bugged/nerfed?

Shame on Spacex

>>12289353
Notice that even wen she approached the actual portal, she didn't check and see if it wasn't another window like a sane person.
I wonder how many times she could have kept repeating before considering an alteration in her strategy.

>>12289417
>waah war is terrorism

Third world country trash crying about sending a TELECOM SATELLITE to orbit for another third world country? My sides

>>12289335
we cant stop them from killing our queen. if spaceflight kills her i dont know what i'll do. cenk cant keep getting away with it

>>12288973
239 MilliYEETeons!!!
>Plus 30 million tip

Does anyone have HQ photos of Saturn in KSP? I'm playing on potato mode yet it still looks beautiful.

>>12289335
>You're killing Armenians!
With satellite TV broadcasts? Turkish TV is probably bad, but I doubt it's that bad.

>>12289353
I've slammed into a glass wall like that once in my life. In my defense, I have -4/-5 vision and was using very old reading glasses at the time.

>>12289335
Bezos WISHES he had people protesting his launch capability lmao

>>12289401
Are your ion engines solar powered? If you're farther from the sun, solar panels don't work as well.

>>12289246
Stuff like this is really creepy. I like Musk and the work he's doing but worship is cringy

>>12289468
>In my defense, I have -4/-5 vision
Mine are both -4.
>tfw my dream of being a fighter pilot died long before it started

>>12289401
Don't use ion engines in stock KSP, they suck.

>>12288973
>While the turn-over cart used during the procedure was in storage, a technician removed twenty-four bolts securing an adapter plate to it without documenting the action. The team subsequently using the cart to turn the satellite failed to check the bolts, as specified in the procedure, before attempting to move the satellite.

>>12288989
Skydivers can fly

Based mods

>>12289464
Low iq. All sats are multipurpose. Use your imagination on what that word means

Too windy for a static fire? Sure it is, Elon.

And where's that update??

>>12289335
>SpaceX launches a comms sat for Saudi Arabia
>nothing
>SpaceX launches a comms sat for Turkey
>‘You’re Killing Armenians!’
Something tells me that this is manufactured in some way.

>>12289471
I wish I was. I never reached that orbit. My ship was just out of Kerbin SOI.

Based mods(autistic space loving janny) deleting that post by the trolling anime faggot.

BTFO.
T
F
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(anime site)

>>12289510
This other anon got it right
>>12289388
Russia has been trying to destroy NATO for ever. Now with trump in place, they are pushing everything they can to weaken it.

>>12289481
Every long maneuver is fucked up for me. NTPs also bleed dV, but I cluster them in groups of 5-6, so the effect is less perceivable. The tiny liquid fuel engine (ant) also does the same thing.
Could it be my settings? All other maneuvers with proper engines work as expected.

New Renderfag on Twitter

>>12289521

>>12289523
Now I shall COOM.

>>12289246
>Zeon forming on Mars
Looks like I'm moving to Mars ASAP then. What's the best brainlet-tier job for a Martian colonist? Surely they need Space welders or space CNC mill operators or something right?

Also fuck Earthnoids the human soul must leave the surly bonds of gravity to evolve into a more pure form Federationniggers get fucking colonydropped.

>>12289523

>>12289488
Who cares when taxpayers pay the repair bill?

>>12289514
kek

>>12289335
lol fuck off

>>12289514
ebin

>>12289514
I actually deleted it myself to not stir up more shit. Stay mad

>>12289514
>(anime site)
based, anime is real, seen it down at L5

You just know

>>12289214
Another expensive mistake.

>>12289335
Yes.

>>12289570
BIGGER

>>12289570
>You Vs. The Guy She Told You Not to Worry About

>>12289335
is viacom (viagracum) paying for these actors? LOL

>>12289558
Fucking lmao this pasta will never die

>>12289570
>me on the right

>>12289528
Proud Earth-Mother born naturalist individualist post modernist here.
Not going to let you run away while we all rot here in poverty pollution and crime. If you do leave you must pay taxes though.

>>12289575

>>12289598
Rocketlab is the little company that could.

>>12289586
That is the opposite individualism.

>>12289575
>>12289601
Are these mockups or real? These are fucking huge

>>12289422
>when you are losing

>>12289605
Our pencil rendering is real. You’ve seen it on a frame down in Michoud. I don’t see anything for starship other than he’s taking some scrap metal and actually getting it in the air and that will be his rocket. It’s not that easy in rocketry.

>>12289605
Yeah, it's the largest hydromeme engine ever designed and component-tested

>>12289617
That quote will be something that will be immortalized. I can't to see it applied to celestial body landings and colonization.

>>12289605
They're drawings, but the engine was close to being built.

>>12289605
here's part of an M1 bell

>>12289521
looks like straight out of a flash gordon comic.

>>12289620

>>12289570

>>12289624
mmmm, imagine the expense.

>>12289620

>>12289621
Are people taking the piss out of it elsewhere or just on here?

>>12289628
CUTE!

>>12289628

>>12289628
>sit right here, next the the injector ;)

>>12289651

>>12289620
it's just a big showerhead bros

>>12289654
https://youtu.be/ng5NA-j7y7A

>>12289628
I'd inspect her injector if you catch my drift

>>12289651
>>12289654
>how can they do that???
>it needs a clean room!!!
>where is the special equipment made for only one task?
>are they even going over budget at all?

>>12289655
Injector plates are stupidly complicated. Machining every hole using 50s tech must've been maddening.

>>12289510
There’s a fuckton of Armenians living in LA, while there’s pretty much no Yemenis living in the US at all. Makes sense that the presence of a local diaspora increases the likelihood of a protest against launching a satellite for that country’s enemy.

>>12289651
Into the cuck box RS-25!

>>12289658
Early KSP alpha build

>>12289662
?
I dont catch your meaning.

>>12289658

>>12289671
>Hydrogen-Ozone
Surely we can get more dangerous, complex, and expensive with less TWR.

>>12289674
He wants to look down her engine Bell.

>>12289678
Just throw in a mercury afterburner for more thrust.

>>12289682
He wants to flight test her thrust structure.

>>12289678
Hydrogen-Lithium-Fluorine TriPropellant when

>>12289671
>no orbital path for New Shepard

How can one man be so based

>>12289692
elon or von braun?

>>12289665
>Machining every hole using 50s tech must've been maddening
I wonder if the reverse is true in that they were experts then but now the skills have been lost

>>12289699
Men only want one thing

>>12289703
whip niggers and breed nubian queens?

>>12289699
Glad to see Charlie Bucket is doing well

Bros I wish we could go to a conference during the dawn of rocketry

>>12289689
STEP BY STEP FEROCIOUSLY
FIVE YEARS TO HUMAN RATE

>>12289711
>"welcome to the... uuuh third annual rocket conference and uh yeah"
>"for the first discussion point... uummm placing the *cough* rocket engine after the propellant tanks does NOT result in a uh more stable rocket"
>everyone gasps

>>12289722
forgot pic

>>12289726
Nuclear Thermal Metallic Hydrogen SSTO Pendulum Rockets with Nuclear Torch SRB Boosters WHEN BROS

>>12289730
with metallic supersolid hydrogen afterburners

>>12289730
>>12289731
You forgot the positron injectors

>>12289741
antimatter drives are pie in the sky

>>12289743
Shoot a high powered laser into thick gold, it generates positrons that you collect and inject into your metallic hydrogen NTR engine combustion chamber for greater efficiency and burnup

>>12289134
>ANONYMOUS SOURCE CLAIMS THAT SUCCESSFUL TRUMP APPOINTEE IS OUT FOR REAL THIS TIME
Uh huh. (((Berger))). Every single time.

>>12289741
>positron injectors
Pussy. Antiprotons are the way to go.

>>12289743
How so?
We know antimatter exists (unlike dark matter despite everything). We know it reacts violently with regular matter, annihilating both when they come into contact with one another and generating a lot of energy in the process. We know it can be controlled, thus allowing for stable and consistent energy generation. We know of proven ways to obtain and store it. It would be like saying nuclear power will never be real in 1949 just because no one had built an actual reactor yet.

>>12289756
Unironically if we figure out how to make Muon injectors we can catalyze fusion at room temperature. Power AND thrust.

>>12288980
Before starship what? Before it reaches Alpha Centauri? Possible but unlikely.

>>12289571
Shuttle at least looked cool.

>>12288986
space colonisation is the solution to climate change

>>12289762
It was sarcasm bro

welp i'm finally all set up in COADE. anyone know why your default propellant seems to be methafluorine even though you have nuclear propulsion?

>>12289217
As depicted, no, but moon spaceports and ships powered by a combination of sails and glowing blue thrusters is a real possibility.

>>12289702
Probably a bit of both. That's why oldspace keeps stepping on their dicks and why Elon's approach to Starship is the correct one.

>>12289762
>1949
>nobody has built a reactor
?????

>>12289335
ehhh i agree with them, turkey should be kept as a pre-indsutrial society with no access to modern tech forever
troublesome roaches

>>12289800
They keep the Russians in check. Thats why we need them. Let the Armenians, who are allied with the Russians, suck Russian dick to get something done.

>>12289795
First nuclear power plant that wasn't just experimental was built in 1954.
Still, make it 1947 and the point works perfectly.

>>12289808
Well if you want to be technical the first known reactor was 1.7 billion years ago in Oklo. Take the geologypill.

>>12289762
>We know of proven ways to obtain and store it.
None of which get you to breakeven on total power costs even with a perfect reactor unless you're just spamming positron and electron beams at each other.

>>12289803
They don't. They're a NATO country that's playing both sides. Fuck them.

>>12289730
>Nuclear Torch
This sounds like a good idea

I hope you guys write to the Biden campaign to support Big Jim as NASA admin

>>12289831
Yes, and? We generate the antimatter and then use it to fuel a rocket like we do with other fuels. We don't need to go from nothing straight to self-sustaining infinite in-flight ISRU antimatter reactors.

>>12289570
mogged

>>12289853
Why would Biden even consider that?

>>12289860
we have to try

>>12289856
With modern tech, do we even have the ability to create a dense positron beam and shoot it into an electron beam for thrust? If so why don’t we use this over xenon thrusters- I feel like a matter-antimatter engine like this would BTFO any other form of electrical propulsion (even if it is super power-demanding)

>>12289853
You'd have to convince Kamala, Joe's not the candidate merely a figurehead. Moot point anyway as they're not going to win.

>>12289731
>>12289730
only if the ACS is also made from SRBs

>>12289866
>even if it is super power-demanding
That's the constraint on every other electric thruster, though. We don't even need antimatter for getting to the outer planets if we can just get lightweight molten salt reactors working in space.

>>12289860
>>12289873
i was inspired by this opinion piece in the hill. maybe it can be spun as a gesture of bipartisanship. it's not like biden cares either way about space
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/523351-the-case-for-nasas-bridenstine-post-election-day

>>12289860
The literal only thing politicians care about is the opinions of voters. If enough voters support big Jim, Biden will support him to. Politics is that simple.

>>12289882
Here’s hoping someone important reads it. Bridenstine is the most competent person to head that organization in decades.

>>12289882
There's zero reason to swap him out now and if they do then they're faggots.

>>12289882
It's not unprecedented for a new administration to keep a previous NASA administrator, see Thomas Paine. But if the word on the street is to be believed Nixon only kept him on to be a Democrat fall guy should something tragic happen with Apollo 11

>>12289815
>built

>>12289882
Would make sense to keep some of the old administration so they can say that they don't care about party lines bht doing whats best for america.

>>12289954
>doesn't know about the Old Ones

>>12289675
If this picture was taken now these guys would be wearing some reddit-tier T-shirt and jeans and 8lbs of fucking facial piercings and unkempt hair and one of them would be a greasy fat bull dyke with pink hair.

Society went wrong somewhere.

>>12289962
They'd all be looking towards the camera with their mouths gaping open too. Why are people like this.

>>12289853
>>12289882
Jim Bridenstine is THE GREATEST NASA Administrator since JAMES FUCKING WEBB. He fought for us bros, he fought for space when it mattered most. Now we gotta fight for him, or else who the fuck are we??

I WILL NOT STAND BY AND LET THE DEMS PLAY TINKER TOYS WITH THIS APPOINTMENT. I WILL FIGHT FOR JIM BRIDENSTINE, WILL YOU????

>>12289882
Damn we've come a long way. Remember when every fucking journo in town was typing out a hit piece as fast as they could the second he got nominated? Glad everyone likes him- even hardcore lefties support him because he's a good fucking administrator

>>12289962
>>12289970
>waaah why are things different
seethe and cope

>>12289992
God he looks so cute there. I want a full body shot of him so I can print it onto a body pillow and snuggle while we watch SpaceX livestreams together.

>>12289986
>James Bridenstine Space Telescope
Bros....I will fight for Jim

>>12289993
Actually I was born in '92. So my entire adult life all iv'e ever known was grungy people in t-shirt & jeans outfits with too many tattoos and shitty hair. The 60's picture is the "different" from my perspective.

This is what the Left does not and will never understand. You "people" have been in charge so long that entire generations have been raised thinking that degeneracy and slob-tier clothes and socialist policies are "normal" and conservatism/right-wing ideology is "rebellious."

>>12289992
They literally lie through their teeth and then refute their own claims in the third paragraph. Fucking lying press

>>12290004
>different=bad
That's the definition of conservative ideology

>>12290020

>>12290020
>imagine unironically thinking this
What you just said is the equivalent of me reducing all leftist ideology to "progress is bad" or something.

What a fucking retard you are. Don't bother replying because any opinion you have is utterly worthless.

>>12290007
>>12289882
read an article in reuters that two people within the biden campaign said they were specifically looking to appoint a woman to NASA. they dont care at all about merit, they want to score brownie points with the base, just like how obama appointed a nigger, despite charlie being a total retard. time to get woke, whether garver or horne, a gash will be at the helm.

>>12290000
Nice quads

>>12290044
Okay Incel

>>12290044
Imagine having a random man fill a very specific niche, and it turns out he is one of the best men possible for the job, only to replace him because of muh optics. Gentlemen the end may be near. NASA is already in a struggle for survival with the boeing parasite at critical mass - and a new administrator might very well be the final nail in the coffin. Whether he leaves office in 4 months or 4 years, I hope Jim finds a comfy job at spacex and we can share a beer with him on Mars

>>12288973
I hope Trump wins so we can see those moon landings.

I'm not an American but can some of you who are genuinely supporting Biden cheer me up that he won't brutalise as much as he can to deny any bragging rights to Trump.

>>12289648
I wish they at least let the X-33 attempt to fly

>>12290020
Genuine idiot

>>12290075
The only way the X-33 could fly would be to use the Li-Al composite tanks, which would've been too heavy for the actual production model.

>>12290066
>2042
>A sixty year old man hobbles into the overlook lounge hab
>He has a six pack of Papenburg trappist crafted by the monks in the outskirts of Mars
>It's Big Jim holy shit
>"Hello anon. I just downloaded some pictures from Europa Clipper off of the Deep Space Network. NASA hasn't even gotten them yet. Want to check it out?"

>>12290070
forget the moon, and forget nasa. elon is taking us to mars, come hell or high water. we shouldnt have put our faith in bureaucrats anyway.

>>12290083
>use the Li-Al composite tanks
*instead of the composite tanks

>>12290084
Big Jim and Elon being retirement buddies on Mars is the comfiest timeline.

>>12290070
Trump will win. If you ignore public polls (which you should, they're abhorrent this cycle, shit like N < 800 and MOE > 6 is being pushed as real data), every metric including early vote data indicates Biden is going to get spanked like a disobedient avocado.

And that's my last politicspost for the thread.

>>12289835
Dumbass. Everyone "plays both sides." The question is when they play with our side in curbing the Russian activities.

>>12290095
Other NATO countries don't "play both sides" when it comes to weapon systems and so on. Go away before I fetch the spray, little roach.

>>12289053
Yes who will all the numales fawn over over when he’s gone?

>>12290070
>genuinely supporting Biden
I'm not sure how many people there are like that. Sure there's plenty of people who hate Trump's guts and will vote specifically against him, but passionate pro-Biden people? I'm still waiting to see one irl.
Your question is good though, and I'll add to it: Is there anything stopping a President Biden from just deleting Space Force because 'fuck drumph'? Or is that pretty well protected? Same question regarding Artemis, I really want to see that happen and having another cancellation/restructuring/postponement would fucking kill me.

>>12290098
Again, dumbass. Look at what Germany, France and even Americans have done to get Russians to their tune. Everyone plays "both sides." The question isn't why they do it, its are they doing it at this moment. In this case, they're not. Turks are stomping on Russian allies. Thats good for business.

>>12290095
We should abandon NATO and ally with Russia and China, then draw up plans to carve up the entire planet into three different spheres of influence.

>>12290105
Euros are doing that.

>>12290089
Will we see 1984 again?

>>12290100
It’s literally the opposite though. If you are bold enough to create a strawman of generalized numales (which yeah they exist) they will be celebrating Biden’s new pick
>OMG YASS QUEEN A WOMAN ADMINISTRATOR!!! WIN FOR WOMANKIND XD

>>12290108
Similar magnitude, different map. Minnesota will be red this time because joggers have been burning it down.

>>12290085
>>12290089
Thanks, yea I hope Trump wins. It is amazing that SpaceX has got to that point.

>>12290101
Space Force I'm less worried about as it was supported Bipartisan in the Senate or whatever, I'm not all that well versed on the US system but I have no doubt that the Dems will crush Artemis as soon as they can.

>>12289954
Built by God.

>>12290104
Yeah, not buy Russian missile systems.

>>12290118
Russian missiles pointed at Russian allies.

>>12290114
>I have no doubt that the Dems will crush Artemis as soon as they can.
I imagine that at first the moon landing will be pushed back to 2028 and then gradually the whole program reorganized to focus on Gateway

>>12290084
Scientifically this couldn't happen lol. Europa Clipper is mandated to fly on SLS. Meaning it will still be in a warehouse on Earth in 2042

>>12290121
Or threaten war repeatedly with a neighboring fellow NATO member for that matter.

>>12290105
>draw up plans to carve up the entire planet into three different spheres of influence
Why would the US choose to do that when they already hold most of the planet within their sphere of influence. It'd be retarded to give free control to lesser states.

>>12290124
EU should do something about it but they won't because Muslim problem.

>>12290117
Based. It was just a little experiment

>>12290126
*most of the Solar System

>>12290131
Reminder that the Sun belongs to the United States and it is by our generosity alone that the rest of the world can have daylight.

>>12290129
Damn. Ariane should be taking all the civilized euro nations to space... but I guess they wont beheading to Mars any time soon

>>12290129
What the fuck does EU have to do with NATO? Or Turkey to do with EU for that matter? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

>>12290144
NATO don't deal with internal conflicts. They deal with external conflicts. EU has to deal with non-EU country creating issues with EU country but they can't cause Turks are holding back the African Muslim hordes from coming to Europe.

>>12290150
>EU has to deal with non-EU country creating issues with EU country
No they don't. EU is a fucking trade league that grew too big for its britches. It has nothing to do with military actions.

>>12290153
hah

>>12290140
Based.

>>12290083
The fuck were they thinking trying to make a carbon composite hydromeme tank? What a nightmare. They were trying to shove as many technical hurdles into the craft as possible. What they should have done is focus on the aerospike etc and make everything else as simple as possible.

is there anything that can be done to pressure whoever wins to let Jim stay?

>>12290140
Do you have the unedited one too? The part where he is sitting on a planet got kinda cut out.

>>12290191
Space fans should “““peacefully protest””” at KSC if Jim gets replaced.

>>12290191
Call/write to local congressmen/senators.

Hello <representative>,
I am a constituent of yours and my main voting issue is the NASA administrator. If you push to keep BIG JIM in the head honcho seat at NASA, I personally pledge I will vote for you in the next <local state> election.

Thank you and shadilay,
Anon

>>12290191
Since Jim's position probably isn't too critical in Biden's eyes, it would probably take less pressure than you'd think to keep him, though probably more pressure than could be organized.

>>12290191
ULA snipers

>>12290209
>though probably more pressure than could be organized.
It would take a big name space e-cleb to get things moving in all likelyhood. Which probably won't happen.

>>12290217
>a big name space e-cleb
Estronaut?

>>12290202
I don't sadly, can't remember what the source was and didn't make it myself.

>>12290217
>>12290209
We should start a change petition, and spam it to popular rocket people like estronaut or musk

>>12290228
Has any Change petition done anything ever?

>>12290220
that or scott. Maybe even angry would be good enough

>>12290240
not that I know of. At best change could be used as a way to get the ball rolling and spread awareness. All in all thousands of messages like >>12290207 would probably be more effective.

>>12290240
Yes, but you still need to contact you representatives and explain why you think Jim is good for Nasa. Petitions are a tool.

>>12290207
pardon my ignorance, but how does appointing an new admin work? President puts forth a nomination and congress approves?

>>12290260
President nominates someone, then the senate votes to confirm them. Jim passed with a 50-49, which is much more partisan then is common.

>>12290274
>Jim passed with a 50-49

>>12290286
Democrats all need to be ground up and used as fertilizer for Mars colonies.

>>12290274
>much more partisan then is common
Well that's pretty much to be expected with anything these days

>>12290153
Lol., cope britlet

>>12290296
Take the mulch-pill

>>12290296
>how to great filter yourself with soil contamination: the post

>>12290336
Oh right I forgot they're full of toxins and carcinogens.

>>12290296
why are republicans so fragile and pathetic?

>>12290358
based, trumpistanis on suicide watch from this post

>>12290358
>wahhh republicans are so fragile wahhhh
>literally wants to replace a competent and non-partisan NASA administrator with a diversity hire for the sake of diversity
Why are Democrats subhuman?

>>12290358
Because this is their safe echo chamber now when there’s no launches

Shitpostius Maximus today.

>>12290358
EU anon here, as a outsider it's obvious that that the dems have not the best intrest of space exploration in mind.
The republics are corrupt, sure, but at least they let people like musk and big jim do some good too.

>>12290375
It's really incredibly simple. Democrats and their handlers hate spaceflight and see it purely as a diversity checkbox. Republicans think moon bases are cool. That's it. That's the entire discussion. Democrats are actively against everything this general exists to discuss.

>>12290394
I wish Ares I had worked just for the YEEHAW factor of the cowboy meme President (Bush 43) giving us manned SRB space rodeos.

>>12290397
It really was beautiful. What about a full 5 meter wide SSTO srb?

>>12290406
>SSTO
>SRB
lmao

>>12290417
It’s impossible because it’s got a lot of thrust but no isp?

>>12290422
You can do an all solid TSTO (like OmegA lmao) or liquid first / solid second TSTO (like Antares) so I think it's just the mass penalty.

>>12289157
>>12289134

>literally the ONLY Trump appointee who isn't roiled with corruption or scandal
>get rid of him next administration

I fucking hate this. He's the one GOOD thing that somehow came out of this massive Trumpian clusterfuck, and in the name of Democracy, we're going to kick him to the curb. Jesus christ.

>>12289079
No. The rs-25 also can't be restarted because it clogs itself with water ice after stopping.

>>12290394
>t. gets all his news from twitter and 4chan

is it possible to have a rocket with a million pounds of thrust and 1 ISP

>>12290383
>as a black man,

>>12290394
Democrats just in Obama's term have done more for Science than anything the bible thumping redneck conservatives have the last 200 years.

>>12290434
This is bait.

>>12290430
A gentle if a bit oversized spring device ejecting something can do it.

>>12290434
Based democrats

>>12290312
I'm not British. There are NATO members who were never part of the EU.
But would you care to show me the EU military mandate? Maybe its standing forces?

>>12290430
Yes, as long as F = g·m.

I cant bother converting pounds of thrust to Newtons, so I won't do the math.

>>12290441
Dumbass, EU is a trade bloc, so use EUs economic powers. Point is they won't because theres so much to lose.

>>12290471
>Point is they won't because theres so much to lose.
https://www.mayerbrown.com/en/perspectives-events/publications/2019/11/european-union-imposes-sanctions-on-turkey

Just stop posting. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>12290075
A Gore sponsored program flying under a Republican government???

Not on my watch son.

>>12290177
SLS's flight profile actually makes sense to use an aerospike. They should have just gone with a NON-HYDROGEN tank and said "fuck shuttle harware we are going to go with a new aerospike design". At least cost-plus would have made sense and their slipping to 2024 would at least be understandable. And we would get new tech out of it. Instead we are stuck with "cheap legacy hardware that will be fast" that is in fact not cheap, and not fast.

>>12290483
>They should have just gone with a NON-HYDROGEN tank and said "fuck shuttle harware we are going to go with a new aerospike design"
Anon, the entire point of SLS was to keep Shuttle hardware contractor jobs alive. The rocket is a side effect.

Omega wet workshop

>>12290486
Oh I know but they could have at least hired aerojet shekeldyne to do the job and boeing to build the tank and just rehired everyone or something. Don't kid yourself, SLS is NOTHING like the shuttle aside from pillaging and raping its engines. The tank was designed from scratch.

>>12290474
The cancellation of X-33 was Ivan Bekey's fault. He testified before Congress that the X-33 existed to test technologies like composite tank structures, and the composite tanks didn't work with the technology of the era.

I am ashamed to say this but I am just now realizing that SLS brings the entire orange tank into orbit only to actively go out of its way to push it back into the atmosphere and kill it

>>12290441
>>12290471
EU wants their own army
they wanted it since the 50's, but the Brits and Americans always diplomatically blocked it and shilled NATO instead, which primarily serves the US interests
I bet French will escalate things with Turkey and use it as a justification for because Turks are in NATO therefore we need new alliance instead - it's the only logical conclusion

it's on the EU people's party agenda - all part of the Pan-European plan to unite the continent created and coordinated by the house of Habsburg
this isn't a shitpost btw I unironically believe this

>>12290493
Dude it’s worse than that. It brings the orange tank halfway to GTO.

Also what’s happened to the foam? Isn’t it bad to leave the tank out like that for over a year?

>>12290496
>EU wants their own army
Yeah, for internal policing. They don't have one.

>>12290496
>I bet French will escalate things with Turkey and use it as a justification for because Turks are in NATO therefore we need new alliance instead - it's the only logical conclusion
That's going to end as badly as the Sinai incident did for the European powers. They literally can't get over being sidelined by the US.

>>12290498
I literally hate this rocket so fucking much it isn't even funny anymore

>>12290498
>Dude it’s worse than that. It brings the orange tank halfway to GTO.
Big Jim desperately needs to convince Congress to let him wet-workshop them as a GEO manned mega station. Holy shit.

>>12290501
at the time they didn't have nukes
US or the Russia won't threaten Europe with nuclear war to save Erdogan
>>12290499
yet

>>12290483
Imagine if they build it with the F1B and experimented with making that into an aerospike, and decided to fly it on experimental fly-back landings for reusability. Literally boeing and aerojet could have milked SLS to the extreme for the next 20-30 years while still making advancements. Instead they have dug themselves into a corner to the point where Jim has testified against using it for certain missions lmao

Imagine replying to trolls unironically.

>>12290498
>Also what’s happened to the foam?
Don't worry, anon. Here is your foam. Boeing is working hard at it. And this time it will be environmentally friendly.

Sauce:
https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/new-insulation-for-sls-rocket

>reading about interplanetary piracy speculation
>"it simply wont happen because the image of the offending spacecraft would be posted on the interplanetary internet for all to see"
Is this true?

Empty gasoline tank wet workshop where scientists breathe in fumes and think of crazy ideas when?

>>12290521
Dead men tell no tales

>>12290521
It won't happen because a human in the loop won't be necessary for guidance. A 'hijacked' vessel would just be remotely disabled and rerouted. We're already getting to this point with cars, some dudes hijacked a Tesla and had to abandon it when the owner restricted the speed remotely.

>>12290533
>Implying I wont just smash the coms panel with a wooden baseball bat
Also as long as I have a weapon I can just demand the crew to give me all their food and valuables. Learn 2 pillage you terran dork

>>12290507

>>12290544
>Creator was predicted by Von Braun himself
Is this taken out of context or does it verbatim say "Elon" in it?

>>12290546
Direct quote from von Braun's book.

>>12290551
I now believe in reincarnation

>>12289709
You made me chuckle. Have a (you)

>>12290498
>It brings the orange tank halfway to GTO.
>carrying a skyscraper-sized, highly insulated, and highly reinforced hygrogen tank halfway to GTO
...isn't that INCREDIBLY inefficient? What the actual fuck is this rocket? It's like the SLS is the very manifestation of the west's decline in physical form. Thank god there are people like Elon who still fight against it. von Braun and his Saturn V are spinning in their graves.

>>12290558

>>12290510
The F-1 couldn't throttle at all. Adding 40% throttle and relight capability would make it an entirely new engine, to say nothing of an aerospike nozzle... but that'd be a really fucking cool engine either way.

>>12290560
I am beyond giving a fuck. Shuttle was bad because of stupid stipulations from the airforce and stuff... but SLS is bad on purpose? It's like they wanted to make it wasteful. I just want it to FUBAR on its maiden voyage

>>12290561
who is the green head?

>>12290560
>It's like the SLS is the very manifestation of the west's decline in physical form.
It really is. Every force that pushed it in a bad direction is a cause or symptom of civilizational decline. Starship blowing SLS the fuck out is going to be hugely symbolic of revival.

>>12290562
I'm not trying to invoke voodoo magic or anything but I'd like to think that the F1B would be capable of low throttle and relighting. It was supposed to be a million times simpler than a 1970's F1. I guess we will never know because they won't build the damn thing

>>12290565
Me :)

>>12290533
That just means thieves will become hackers too

>>12290551
>Parlimentary system
Musk defecting to UK/Aus/Canada when?

>>12290565
Tsiolkovsky

>>12290533
Just break the ability to receive transmissions lol

>>12290576
He started off as a Saffer and previously lived in Canada. Von Braun got that one wrong.

There is no physics reason that SLS can't be left in orbit for Starship to salvage. They just actively chose not to do that.

>>12290577

>>12290533
>robotic ship leaves for port
>pirates intercept and take out the ship's propulsion
>ship owners lock pirates out
>pirates cut a hole into the cargo hold
>pirates go "owo whats this" before taking the goods and leaving
>maybe even vandalize the ship so it'll be worthless

>>12290561
someone needs to swap the green head for Shelby

>>12290540
>implying essential ship systems haven't been tamper proofed and backed up with automated overrides
Of course if you want a ship's resources badly enough you can just plunder them, but I was talking about taking control of the ship specifically. Anyway space is not a friendly environment to starving niggers that rely on unpredictable methods of resource gathering, if you need piracy to get the basics you're just gonna die out.

>>12290498
>Also what’s happened to the foam? Isn’t it bad to leave the tank out like that for over a year?
It's part of the local environment now. Probably has things actually living in it.

>>12290566
>Starship blowing SLS the fuck out is going to be hugely symbolic of revival.
the doomer in me says that the post-election government is going to do all they can to make Starship development hell. ..But come to think of it there are plenty of people who would adopt an "over my dead body" stance if they really did try to pull that.

>>12290585
I'll figure out a way. I will be more famous than Black Beard. My name? Digger Nick.
https://youtu.be/BuYf0taXoNw

>>12289047
>It'll just land in the ocean
SLS actually can't do much more than that.

>>12290521
>ywn be a space pirate

>>12290566
>>12290544

>SLS: Right wing/Conservative traditionalism
>Starship: Left wing/Liberal progressivism

>>12290581
Shelby hates depots that much.

>>12290544
>that massive solar farm
yeah, solar will be fine at first but if the moon starts getting crowded it's going to have to go. Simply too space inefficient. Best option is to put panels on all building surfaces and use nuclear as the primary power source.

>>12290560
>>12290493
Would a staging system be better that a single bigass tank? Or would the extra weight of another set of engines, less tank volume, and added complexity make it not worth it?

>>12290595
You might be able to be an earth pirate.
Privateers are pirates operating with the support of a sovereign nation. The United States gives the Senate the power to issue letters of marque.
In response to Chinese aggression on the seas there have been calls to begin issuing them again.
I doubt it. But we'll see.

America hasn't officially had any privateers since the War of 1812. Although we did use Goodyear blimps to hunt U-boat in WWII.

>>12290598
>a billionaire's private space program
>left wing progressivism
What the fuck are you on about retard

>>12290616
HOLY FUCK imagine the /sfg/ privateer starship. We basically scam the US government into buying us a starship and we make constant trips to Mars in the name of "anti-piracy" but in reality we are just enjoying the ride. Name the vessel.

is 94 tons decent considering the tank's size?

>>12290622
Black Perl

>>12290622
Legitimate Salvage

>>12290624
I'm guessing that future versions will have to have more reinforcement in the core stage

>>12290624
SLS's core is well within the lift capability of Superheavy. Idk what dV that stack would get but I'm pretty sure "direct Jupiter insertion" is in the ballpark

>>12290622
Unknown Object

>>12290622
Space Wolf Den

>>12290622
Pale Drooping Maiden

>>12290629
>future versions
cute. SLS won't even get a block 2
>>12290622
Titanic II

>>12290521
Just use a small, throwaway boarding craft.

>>12290636
SLS kinda sucks because it's not designed to do any one thing particularly well. Wish they would have chosen a specific focus. Would have been pretty amazing if they tried to just maximize dV from the start or something.

Also Superheavy with SRBs would be pretty insane, but of course that's silly as the entire point of the craft is reusability.

>>12290647
>Also Superheavy with SRBs would be pretty insane, but of course that's silly as the entire point of the craft is reusability.
A fully reusable SH/SS stack with four SLS SRBs could probably put 500 tons in orbit.

>>12290649
*fully expendable

>>12290647
No, not SRBs on Superheavy, I meant literally putting the entire SLS core and upper (without SRBs) on top of a Superheavy ad a second and third stage. SLS would unironically have ridiculous dV as a massive expendable upper stage.

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1322246909533118464
>We just made in-space transportation even easier. After deploying 10 sats to perfect orbits for our customers on the #InFocus mission, the Kick Stage had one more trick up its sleeve. For the first time, we demonstrated a plane change maneuver.
Classic Rocket Lab with their post-flight announcements

>>12290655
>Choose Electron and get launch plus space tug in one, or fly a Kick Stage on another launch vehicle and still enjoy tailored in-space transportation to your perfect orbit.

This is by far the more important point in that tweet chain. RocketLab knows they can't compete with Falcon 9 or Starship long term, so they're pivoting their business model to survive as a rideshare bus provider for "other launch vehicles" (meaning Starship and F9 rideshare)

Very smart business choices, I like it

>>12290651
>No, not SRBs on Superheavy, I meant literally putting the entire SLS core and upper (without SRBs) on top of a Superheavy
5 lifetimes in paint

>SLS would unironically have ridiculous dV as a massive expendable upper stage.
it's honestly a real shame that we'll never see the RS-25 live up to its full potential as an extremely efficient upper stage.

>>12290114
>>12290122

Artemis is too far along at this point to be cancelled.

>>12290661
>>12290655
I love how SpaceX and Rocketlab complement each other.

>>12290685
SLS is so fucking big for a rocket that can do so fucking little.

>>12290661
>>12290688
Holy shit imagine a 50 ton RocketLab rideshare bus for Starship.

>>12290693
That's hydrolox first stages for you. Lighting the thing after you already made the gravity turn means you can put that 450+ ISP to proper fucking use. You could probably yeet the entire core stage to TLI with those RS-25s air lighting. It is COMPLETELY CRIMINAL nobody ever bothered making the RS-25 or RS-68 an upper stage engine, which is the ONLY GOOD USE of hydrolox.

>>12290521
>stop transmitting
>course correction

Congratulations nobody knows where you are and where you are going outside of very rough "in this solar system orbit". Bonus points if the maneuver involved double digit change in velocity.

>>12290693
to be fair that's block 2, which will never happen. Block 1 is noticeably smaller.

>>12290696
SpaceX using a bunch of kickstages to deliver satellites in massive bulk to multiple orbits would be pretty sick

>>12290699
All the non-American rockets in that image were cancelled before lifting one single person to orbit.

>>12290598
>the right wing example is a government welfare program
>the left wing example is a hateful billionaire's pet project

>>12290622
So Much for Subtlety

>>12290699
Block 1B and Block 2 are identical except for the boosters AFAIK
>Block 1
SLS core, DIV upper stage
>Block 1B
SLS core, EUS
>Block 2
SLS core, EUS, meme paper boosters

>>12289520
no, long burns are less deltav efficient due to the lack of Oberth effect, and because you're spending it raising your periapse as well as your apoapse instead of solely raising your apoapse like with an instantaneous burn

>>12289754
Eric Berger is a known quantity in the spaceflight community
his connections are the real deal for hardware details but I'm doubting on this one

>>12290706
>Block 1B and Block 2 are identical except for the boosters AFAIK
ah, you're right. I mistook the larger interstage as an expansion.

>>12290706
Block 2 was killed in 2014.

>>12290804
They can revive it whenever if SLS actually gets used enough to justify it, because Block 2 really just means "better boosters".

>>12290810
It was killed off for Block 1B in 2014, 1B also has "better boosters". Block 2 was supposed to have "advanced boosters", namely liquid fuel boosters.

>>12290814
Wait, isn't 1B just Block 1 with EUS? I thought it used the same 5 segment boosters.

>>12290824
Slightly upgraded solid boosters.
They're probably never going to be flying that configuration though, because the current plan is to fly 5 segment shuttle SRBs until the end of the 20s.

>>12290814
>Block 2 was supposed to have "advanced boosters", namely liquid fuel boosters.
that's interesting. Is the any more information on what they were planning?

>>12290854
Nope. That was it. Plans discarded as "too dangerous because too powerful" in 2014. Block 1B takes it's place and it's a slightly different SRB with inward facing nosecones unless that has changed. They believe that's "good enough" for the planned mission profiles.

>>12290727
>Eric Berger is a known quantity in the spaceflight community
He's a Jew. Anything he says about Trump is suspect.

>>12290868
Ok /pol/, so is Kushner

>>12290876
A man's son in law has no power over him.

>>12290885
>Kushner has no power
>Kushner orchestrated the largest Middle East peace process since the Mandate system
one of these things is true

>>12290889
nice reading comprehension, retard

>>12290891
>reeeee jews
>except that jew, he's powerless
>noooo you can't point out the things he's done
ok /pol/

>Nobody
>0%

>>12290727
Why are you doubting rumors from a trusted source? Its not like he confirmed anything other than a rumor. Are you doubting that any of the officials aren't talking about replacement of Bridenstein because Bridenstein is immune somehow?

>>12290920
I'm not doubting that oldspace is salty about Bridenstine, because they are, and want him canned, because they do. I'm doubting that Trump gives a shit when Big Jim has been consistently getting shit done and making Trump look good.

>>12290909
based

Big Jim on working for Biden:
https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1322201961433866242