/sci/ - Science & Math

Source on any major advancements in anti-aging? Genuinely curious

Humans have the natural capacity for immortality
You need only study cell behaviors under different conditions

>>12287451
Do your best anon

>>12287465
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/aubrey-de-grey-getting-more-optimistic-on-life-extension/

>>12287451
And it's already known they can
But can you imagine if no one ever died how overpopulated we would get
The science on this stuff is "known" already, the mass of people just don't get access for reasons
Though it's possible for anyone to figure it out.

>>12287451
Alternatively, you could try to make as much money as possible and donate most of your money to SENS.

Redpill me on how to become an anti-aging researcher

>>12287570
Stop being so vague faggot post the goods

>>12287602
He won't because he's full of shit.

>>12287569
Thanks, but I was hoping for something more detailed. This article is just a guy saying another guy is optimistic about it

>>12287602
Lol
Learn how to harvest and cultivate energy without food
Get PURE h2o everyday
Sungaze morning and night. Get the sunlight you need as your body feels you need.

Baddabing
>PPPPSSSSEEEUUUUUDDDDD
It's just bullshit to throw you off the trail. That's why the sciences are fucked now, they're like nu fake God.

Notice how obese people die fast as fuck
Skinny people live forever
It's because if you take energy and waste it, then the tax falls upon you and your DNA gets trashed.
So imagine never needing really energy as well as producing more than you need to consume. That's how you approach immortality (outside obvious shit like murder)

>>12287655
>imagine never needing really energy
What I mean by this is harvesting the environment for it.
The atmosphere, the sun, and your own body can produce all the energy you need and more.
You're going to have to dig to find them, but there's guys in India who do this and don't eat.
They get trashed to no end. Imagine that level of independence.

>>12287570
>But can you imagine if no one ever died how overpopulated we would get
Curing aging doesn't prevent deaths from accidents or illness. Plenty of people would still die, just not from age-related complications. Yes, it would mean a decline in deaths, but we also have declining birth rates already anyway so it would probably just balance out.

>>12287661
Then why are humans born with digestive systems. Seems pretty retarded desu

>>12287679
Think what you like
The gut biome may still be active in the process, I can't say for sure.

Every time I talk about it sci communities just go all PPPSSSEEEUUUUDDD
Study the cells for yourself

Or do what actual scientists should and experiment on yourselves instead of following all the hypothetical bullshit you read about because I know you guys know there is a ton of fishy shit in the sciences right now

I suggest going extremely green and oil forward (don't cool the oil ever, cold pressed and organic) over carbs (plant fibers are fine) for energy
Then study the guys in India who have done this, there's some Americans too. Make sure you get the sun and PURE h2o you need. You'll solve so much DNA damage.
Then it's just basics like avoiding polluted air and unwanted stress.

>>12287713
>don't cool the oil ever,
Cook*

>>12287563
The universe will end one day so immortality isn't possible. Curing aging will just make your life longer and more boring.

>>12287451
Good luck anon. I like not being dead, so I appreciate it.
Make sure to live a healthy live and avoid that corporate sugarwater so you can live long enough to enjoy the fruits of your labor.

>>12287713
hey look it's the hemp oil schizo at it again

>fast
>only eat pure animal fat when you do eat
>do not expend energy needlessly

>>12288016
Stuff like this

Aging is mostly damage to your DNA. The less you act, the less you consume, the less damage. Though there is ways to navigate reality in abundant action while keeping energy high and food intake low or none at all.

At night you sleep and repair body and DNA. If you don't damage it in the first place, you have a lot less need for sleep too.
Like think about it. Barely need to sleep, not digesting food having your body focus on other tasks. Not having to worry nearly as much about fluctuations in your body that are harder to understand.

You have to do other things that expand your "energy", though, if you want to keep active.

>>12287451
>fuck math
>im going into aging research
Not that you had any chance to make it in the first place.

you guys are implying that if there was a way to cure anti aging you wouldnt get silenced the instant you reveal the secret lmao. every ruler of a big nation in the history of the world dreamt of it since the epic of gilgamesh

>>12287451
Godspeed

>>12288051
So you're saying I should record my genome now just in case™?

>>12288172
Yeah why do you think they trash the Indian guys who talk about not needing food
Why do you think aether gets trashed all the time

Literally all the legit super self empowering universal behaviors that you have access to get trashed.
Water is sensitive to frequencies. Think of the implications behind that.

Immortality meaning anti aging is very much a real thing, but being beyond death is prob some transhumanism fantasy that won't actually play out how you want.

There's no birth and death anyway. Just DNA advancing it's abilities, awareness, discovery etc. Our bodies are just meatsuit facilitators for this process.

>>12287931
>more boring.
This is cope

>>12287451
Hey anon, I got into bio for the same reason, I just graduated though. What uni are you at?

>>12287570
Just castrate the niggers and chinks and 3/4 the problem is solved

>>12288519
Uhh genocide is so lazy and boring
Literally causes 0 development on anyone's end

ACTUAL QUESTION INBOUND:
What do you think is better:
>Forcing people to have offspring as soon as they can, so the DNA has the greatest quality?
>Allowing only the elderly to have children, so the natural selection forces us to live longer and healthier?

>>12288543
>Literally causes 0 development on anyone's end
Au contraire, if people in Africa stop having so many children, their economy might actually start growing again.
And an increase in economy means an increase in wisdom due to better schooling, which in turn means less desire to procreate.

>>12287571
Has Aubrey actually come up with any treatments, or are you funding his umpteenth ted-x talk?

>>12287931
> The universe will end one day
Only according to the theory forced by Vatican (I'm not joking, Lemaitre was a catholic priest, Hawking was their secret agent)
> Curing aging will just make your life longer and more boring
Okay, you're a retard. My life more and more fascinating every year. Having youthful body to live it would be an enormous advantage. If you're bored so much, the exit is always open. What op is saying is biological immortality, not the absolute one (absolutes are inachievable, so don't bullshit me with that ancient cheap trick "absolute a is impossible, thus a is impossible"

>>12290080
Lots of people fail to realize that their relationship with reality is relative to the box, internal and external, they find themselves in
You can very much have a youthful body and mind, as well have an adventurous, developmental and fulfilling life always. You just need to get away from the cultural scripts about how to live and experiment

>>12289087
What he did was inspiring thousands of scientists all over the world. And the reason he's more optimistic is those scientists began the revolution in medicine we're experiencing today. His own lab works on things nobody else wants to look into, so his achievement is not about coming up with some treatments (at least yet) but the movement he began (he and some other guys) brought us here among other things:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87OUb8TBwX0
and here's how I knew that she's alright:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1zr6JsS5t8
Today I know that for many other reasons, but that's how I know he knows his stuff.
Also his book Ending Aging was published more than ten years ago, when almost nobody was thinking this way. And this decade was truly massive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZr2LTTNS8

>>12287570
Are you telling me the whites somehow felt what was coming and the import of 3d-worlders wasn't necessary? Did it happen because europe is actually led by those who are secretly non-whites?

>>12290343
The fuck are you talking about

Mortality is the mother of life.
We have turned our backs on her.

>>12287451
>I'm going to hard spec into biology to cure aging
>>12287563
>You need only study cell behaviors under different conditions
>>12287570
>And it's already known they can
>>12287713
>Or do what actual scientists should and experiment on yourselves instead of following all the hypothetical bullshit you read about because I know you guys know there is a ton of fishy shit in the sciences right now
oh my sweet summer child..... if it only was so simple....

>>12287451
I believe in you anon, even if you do 10% of what you wish to achieve you'll become a millionaire

>>12290412
Is that the blueprint for a warp drive?

>>12290412
It is
The sciences have created, perhaps intentionally, extremely convoluted bullshit.
The body is completely aware of that which is destroying or enhancing it. It is aware of this at a cellular level, and if you pay attention, your "cognizance" will tune in.
Only the gross world is extremely convoluted and will distract you.
In particular this field could be so much simpler if people shut shit like that off, made themselves significantly more sensitive, and paid attention to the communication and processes happening in their own bodies.

Why our sciences are so bent on sundering the study from our actual living experience I will never know.
Probably to feed information to owners of resources and industries rather than empower the individual.

>>12290400
You're getting it wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fates
We're allowing her to retire so she can stop messing with stinky rotten semi-alive retards to enjoy working with the young extremal retards instead.

All of you are going to die. You're all trying to get over your fear of the inevitable by kidding yourself you'll be spared mankind's fate.

>>12290449
Blueprint for what we understand of metabolism.

>>12290475
I'm not interested in avoiding death, but avoiding the dying process re:degeneration is something I want to avoid so I can live a more robust life.

>>12288807
Neither, let nature be nature. Don't fuck with gods work

If nature wants you dead, you're gonna die. Nothing you can do to stop it.
You can still improve your quality of living by avoiding the aging process.

>>12290454
this is just plain wrong. cells are extremely complicated. everything from the membrane to the DNA there is so much stuff that happens.
you can say for example that a cell eats sugar to get energy instead of the entire detailed description of the process but that's too over simplified and this understanding won't help you. if you go to a good college you will be able to observe all of these stuff if you think its bullshit made up by scientists.
people seem to forgot that physics (except maybe theoretical), chemistry and biology are entirely based on empirical observations

>>12290492
It's called working out (increased mobility late in life), eating healthy, and sleeping properly. The three pillars of health.
If you aren't doing all three, you're not *really* interested in avoiding degeneration.

>>12287713
>Make sure you get the sun and PURE h2o you need. You'll solve so much DNA damage.
>increase radiation exposure and remove electrolytes from your diet
DNA repair is protein dependent and quite exact already.

>>12290526
You seriously think the anons in this thread have heard of fluorescent microscopy?

>>12290475
You're projecting too much. Since my teenage angst I have a deathwish as an ocd. Nevertheless, I think that quest for immortality is a better alternative, no matter what my irrational wishes are. Life is not allways fun, but it can become one if we want it really hard.
Chances are I will die before I reach it, then chances are I will die after I achieve it, but "at least I tried" (either way the quest itself is lots of fun)

>>12290672
There's guys in India who also don't require any water, their body recycles it.
Your body can tolerate the sun it needs, just not in huge quantities of exposure, and it needs periods to recuperate

>>12291515
Don't believe everything you;'re told.

>>12291603
They actively demonstrate it and have been rigorously monitored
Maybe you've been conned into thinking we need a continual stream

>>12287451

You Can Do It Anon!

or an Ai will

>>12288051
so you just replace the dna then? Quorum sensing for the CRISPR trigger?

>>12290412
>>12290477
I can't believe anybody can look at this and think it all came together by chance. Life was very obviously intelligently designed.

>>12287451
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE WOOOOOO
LETS CURE AGING YES WE CAN!
LETS GO TO MARS, YES WE CAN!
LETS HAVE AUTONOMOUS CARS, YES WE CAN!
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

>>12290080
If the universe doesnt have an end it didnt have a start, so what youre saying is that the big bang didnt happen.
You only want immortality so you can feel dopamine more but the dopamine will after a while feel dull and its gonna get boring.

>>12290678
that's not the point. that pic is an example of osmosis. if you thought osmosis is bullshit made up by scientists you can see cells shrinking and expanding in your own eyes

>>12292253
it's actually the other way around. if it was intelligently designed it would take the simplest and shortest route to anything. this rarely happens, the more you learn the more you see that it's a rough patchwork system with no pattern.
read about vitamin C in humans if you want an example of this

>>12292418
>so what youre saying is that the big bang didnt happen.
That is exactly what I'm saying.
> dopamine will after a while feel dull and its gonna get boring.
Don't you see that this problem is much more simple to solve than the previous one?

>>12292859
Based

>>12287713
>>12288016
>>12288051
>>12288225
>>12290454
>>12291515
>>12291606
>>12292253
take your meds schizo

>>12292859
Why are you on a science board if you believe the big bang didnt happen? and how would you solve getting bored of everything? wiping your own memory would be less effective than just creating a new person through having kids and dying.

>>12287451
Basic bitch doctor here(but even this makes me more qualified than most people ITT)
The way I see it, 'curing aging' is inextricably linked to 'curing cancer' - 'aging' basically comes down to your cells slowing down their reproduction over time(for... reasons, telomeres is one of them), and as a result a constant regeneration of new cells is no longer fast enough to replenish cells lost due to various damage or programmed death/apoptosis
Now, forcing cells to reproduce and divide indefinitely is easy enough - it's literally what cancer is, and immortality is one of the basic properties of cancer cells(which also makes them good for research, and we've been using an immortal line of cells from a now-dead person for 70 years now, look up HeLa cells); problem is that without those natural limits and regulation on cell reproduction, they start growing uncontrollably and to the detriment of their normal both function and structure(then your nonspecific immune system(NK cells specifically) tries to kill these 'rebel' cancer cells, but if there are too many, it fails, cancer cells spread, and you get cancer-the-disease).

So basically you have to figure out a way to make cells as immortal as cancer cells, but also as controlled and regulated as normie cells.

If any actual bio/aging researchers ITT have an input on this, I'd be interested

>>12292955
>Why are you on a science board if you believe the big bang didnt happen?
zomg, why are you here, if you are a believer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebqAH5mLZNk
> how would you solve getting bored of everything?
I would invent something new.

>>12292262
>I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE WOOOOOO
why are you on the science board?
>LETS GO TO MARS, YES WE CAN!
It's literally just a question of funding now
>LETS HAVE AUTONOMOUS CARS, YES WE CAN!
We already do
>LETS CURE AGING YES WE CAN!
Eventually very likely yes

>>12292968
>I would invent something new.
Is that what youre doing by telling people the big bang didnt happen?

Also what do you think happens after death?

>>12287451
Fuck off. Humans need to age and die, otherwise life has no real meaning and you have no real impetus to get shit done.

>>12292998
>what do you think happens after death?
decay (hopefully painless)

>>12293044
> Infinity of a function makes it meaningless
You overdozed on some retarded math.

>>12293044
Conversely, people might dedicate themselves to something meaningful and long-term if they don't live with the crushing thought of 'I only got 30-40 years of peak performance to earn enough money, reproduce and make sure my kids get a good start in life as the only trace of myself after my death'

>>12293045
If you decay, that means that life has an end and there is no afterlife, so why shouldnt the universe have an end too?

>>12293044
Humans need to die, but not age
How inefficient is a decaying body?

I understand the interest and hope in investigating this, but some people have been trying to understand this stuff for a really long time, and I think they've made very little progress (Aubrey de Grey comes to mind).

I don't know whether or not it's possible to 'cure' aging; what I do know is that our knowledge in the medical field is probably nowhere near as sophisticated as many people think. I doubt any real progress in 'anti aging' will be made within our lifetime (consider that our doctors don't even know how to cure Cancer effectively, how would you cure aging?).

There are inherent limits to human intelligence; we're just not entirely aware of them in the same way we see the limits of other species' intelligence (for example, I can tell you that chimpanzees, with their current brain, will never be able to create a computer)....but good luck!

>>12287931
>don't try live for 1000 years because entropy is real
Okay retard

Holy shit. Are you me? I’m a math major thinking of changing the trajectory of my life to contribute to death avoidance. I’ve already started taking biology and chemistry classes that don’t advance my degree.

>>12293202
I'm not the guy you're "debating" and I don't agree with him but this is an extremely pseud response jesus

>>12287451
Good luck, anon.

I love my mother. Please save her from dying due to old age. I don't want to live in this world without her.

>>12290343
There's another layer above our civilization, a kind of meta civilization or consciousness. That's who decides those things.

>cures "aging"
>by the time you finish the earth is so polluted and we eat so much processed stuff that people die younger anyway

>>12290678
lol what, that's elementary school stuff

a)Aging is incurable
b)Even if it will be cured, only high elites will get the cure
c)And if you will even get the cure, you will live in such a slavery that death would be better

>>12287451
friendly reminder that ageing isn't a disease, and that trying to avoid death is an unhealthy coping strategy for its inevitability. Even supposing you could live perpetually, the heat death of the universe will itself eventually kill you, the most you could ever hope to do is to delay the inevitable.

again, can we make the distinction that wanting to prevent aging, as in a decaying and inefficient organism that can no longer optimally carry out the functions it could decades ago, is not the same as trying to avoid death?

i accept death, i would just like a more optimal experience of LIFE

>>12294774
>I don't want to live in this world without her.
Enjoy her while she's here.

And remember these wise words, for all things in life are fleeting: "Don't be sad because its over, be happy because it happened."

>>12296654 (Me)
I should add its ok to want to live a bit longer, but running from death is a futile effort that seeks to reject the reality of life: that all things are momentary and will come and pass as they may out of your own control.

>>12287451
Math is probably the best route to aging research. Biology is so poorly understood because we don't understand the math.

>>12296663
If you don't age and then suddenly die, that basically means that you are intentionally killed by the special medical intervention. Surely a world where everyone is killed by the medics is a total utopia?

>>12297040
>If you don't age and then suddenly die, that basically means that you are intentionally killed by the special medical intervention.

No, it doesn't. That's some story you made up.
I could have either fulfilled my purpose, no longer want to be alive, succumb to some type of disease, or die in a conflict.

>>12287931
Yea, you'd only have to survive several billion years for that to be a problem. Some people can't even manage to survive a few decades without a life ending accident. God only knows what technology we'd have with several thousand year lifespans, let alone longer. Might even be able to leave the universe entirely.

>>12296605
On contrary, when people understand that they may stay here with us, old programs like "Après moi, le déluge" won't work, and we'll have time to solve all those problems. Main polluters (the ceo's and owners of those filthy factories) will want to risk chances of their lives taken by some eco-terrorist-groups a little less.

>>12296636
Fear (and greed) are the lowest scum's main motivators (do something about it)
Maybe this will help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxO9l8_UEuw

>>12296654
>the heat death of the universe will itself eventually kill you
What do you say? I cannot live forever, only for about a billion of years? Sounds like a great deal to me! Only I know that some other factors will take my life more probably than that hypothetic event postulated by your flawed overhyped theory. Stop believing what you don't understand, scientists like you are disgrace to physics.

>>12296673
>"Don't be sad because its over, be happy because it happened."
>>12296682
>all things are momentary
Now that's what people call npc (a mindless record of some pretty phrases)

_You Can Do It OP!

A part of this would involve preventing deamination of the genetic code. Good luck with this but you can start there perhaps.

>>12287655
Next thing you'll be trying to sell me on the magical curing powers of "Shivambu"

>>12297768
based

>>12287451
good luck anon

hope you can make us immortal before we turn old

you can't reverse this entropy
>inb4 muh open system
so what? you can't fix every single DNA base in your own hands or reverse a lot of the processes. this is not a chemical solution in a lab, you can't automate it or just plug in some electricity in or add another solute.

>>12299816
>you can't
NO U

>So OP you're telling me you're going to solve aging with a microscope and an educated guess about how cells will react to certain molecules?
It's very likely you'll due before you make much progress. there are already geniuses working on it and you plebs already criticize and ignore their contributions.
but good for you OP, instead of demanding like a child you're going to try like a semi-man.

>>12293065
Just reincarnate like a normal yogi if you still feel like you have shit to do here.

Life extension is only going to work together with strict eugenics.
You won't live forever.

>>12299855
Extreme DK effect in action. You haven't even read Lifespan and you're talking as if you know everything about the field. Naysayers get the rope.

>>12287570
Is that why none of the richest and most powerful people on the planet live beyond 90-100?

>>12292253
>see 2d representation of what is actually a hot stew of molecules interacting with each other in 3D space due to the laws of physics
>that hot mess is only considered working until it is not at which point some of the molecules produced end up making the whole stew rancid
>this is somehow intelligent design

see, I can throw one thousand niggers into the woods and make a diagram of their interactions and still, there would not be anything intelligent about it

is this what everyone has been spending the last few months on?
good luck, i'm gonna try meming into chemical simulations

>>12287451
You are proof of retards.

>>12290412
where can i find a high resolution of this image?

>>12300274
Kurzgesagt

also hot damn i wanna be immortal. dying would suck ass.

>>12300345
immortality is just more time to become an anime girl!

>>12300201
>You won't live forever.
a nigger argument, literally an argument I heard from a nigger.

>>12293044
>Getting kicked in the balls every morning makes life worth living

You're the retarded one who bought into this shit. Consider the following, YOU can die, and the rest of us wrinklebrains can live, kk?

>>12287451
And how do you plan on doing that anon? Academia is a hell hole unless you get the right PIs and have passion and funding

>>12300220
>i'm a nay sayer b/c I think biology is a scientifically underdeveloped field that requires more cross field intercourse
yikes homie, maybe keep implying harder fag.
I'm a CS and math double major and I want to lend my CS and math skill to your quest.
QCs QAs and QA built simulations aided with information and computational theory could be extremely useful bro.
plus the longer retards like us get to live the closer we can make anime girls real.

>>12301213
A few CS anons will make a start up and sell, use the money and stock to make a company (I'm keeping the nature of the company secrete from (((data miners)))) Broadening the RnD and profits we'll have excess profits in times for all these biofags, wet science niggers, and phycucks to finish grad school and get good research experience.
recruit them into our scheme through RnD.
Buy a small Island to conduct research and build anti firm ware tech to secure our research.
Divide the immortality among us know know of it, kill those who are idealist.
only release cures for conditions first at high prices though the mexican government in a hospital we build there.
Form the secret occult science league.
Create technology to destroy China using India as a proxy country which is run by our machines behind the scenes.
begin eugenic protocols in our new pseudo country use the unaesthetic indians as fodder, at the peak of the world war we use our actual weapons releasing a super virus with encrypted DNA to wipe out most of humanity, selling the cure ourselves. Take the most intelligent people from various countries and make them wokr as a slave tier, leave the rest of the countries on their own with no stability, they serve no use and they will likely kill each tore because they are brutes. Create a half potent case immortality drug that we sell to the slave tier intelligent people we took. The elder court of us have use extreme self enhancements to become peak humans. Together we work on divided tasks with some intersection. We leave a group of hand raised children raised to be optimal leaders during out absence. Some will work on permanent immortally, neural data transference, increasing intelligence, and creating a god. we will have a moon base with solar panels and a nuclear plant in the core. Send the primitive creations to earth and study their conclusions. eventually create a perfect being and inject our consciousnesses into it. become god. Understand.

>>12301262
Imagine wanting to be a villain in the world of total and anonymous surveillance and private microscopic murderdrones.

>>12301274
They already know I'm too lazy and worthless to do anything.
plus why serve villains instead of oppressing them?
killing me would only look more suspicious than letting me die in mediocrity.
plus right now isn't an optimal age because I'm not a peak consumer or ta payer yet.
also I predicted that, did you read about the part where I said we would design our own machines without firmware.
the shit is on the fucking hardware level of tracking.
big brother has already cataloged this and reassessed my risk, but like I said everyone dreams about things and they all die either way.
Maybe you see me as a villain, but I am truly the savior. men will only die if they resist.
ince you're objectively better than humans their value decreases and once you're immortal it's even less because if you need some just wait a thousand year for some more, but again low value.
how is creating a god villainous?
You fear the idea because it goes against your habitual programmed structures.

>>12301361
I see you're shaking in your boots, little man.
Don't fall for the cocaine trap, it's even worse than booze: it maybe destroys your health less, but it takes your creativity away and boosts your ego at the same time.

>natural process
>"cure"
C O P E C I T Y
there's no cure for baldness either

>>12301426
I'll keep it in mind.

>>12301440
You know what else is natural process? Sepsis.
Want another one? Worms. How about some jungle predators hunting you down? Those fuckers are totally natural, why don't you enjoy them.

>>12301454
>Sepsis.
a rare condition
>Worms
parasites
>jungle predators
your own fault for being in the fucking jungle maybe?
nice strawmen you dumb fucking nonce
not everyone has the same conditions. not everyone has worms. not everyone is out in the jungle with no protection LMAO
everyone ages. everyTHING ages. then dies, decays, and makes room for new lives. there's no cure for it. it happens regardless of your circumstances
this is all just coping. poorly coping at that
if you're against aging, you're against the propagation of life itself
K E E P
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>>12301498
>>Sepsis.
>a rare condition
There are more than 1.5 million cases of sepsis each year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) . This type of infection kills more than 250,000 Americans a year.
You know nothing, kid. And if you only knew how unnatural death of old age used to be just a century ago.

>>12301506
>1.5 million cases of sepsis each year
out of 7 billion
COPE
>And if you only knew how unnatural death of old age used to be just a century ago.
so why is death by old age a BAD thing now?
Oh yeah I know why
COPE
>NOOOOOOOOO THE LUXURY OF BEING ABLE TO DIE NATURALLY ISN'T ENOUGH MOMMY TELL THEM I WANT TO LIVE FOWEVA
COPE COPE COPE COPE

>>12301511
>out of 7 billion
You cannot even process the information.
How would 250.000 Americans die of it each year if whole the world population had only 1.5 million cases? After all USA is the 1st world country, so it's much worse elsewhere.
> so why is death by old age a BAD thing now?
> Oh yeah I know why
Apparently you don't know shit, not even such basic forms of it. Nobody's gonna force your ass to rejuvenation centre, you can die of whatever retarded crap you wish, and you probably will die before you get a chance to get old, considering how fucking retarded you are.

>>12287451
Besides the cells themselves aging here what you have to think about.
>The brain limit for knowledge
>Alzheimers
>The DNA caps going away causing DNA damage and mutation
>The lauguage changing to a point no longer understandible
>The damage to the body over years of use
>The build up of cholesterol in the veins and heart
>infertility that comes with age
That what i could think of off the top of my head.

>>12301593
>>The brain limit for knowledge
Neuroplasticity
>>The DNA caps going away causing DNA damage and mutation
How is it besides the cells themselves? Telomerase induction via aav-vectors we discussed itt already, it costs around 200 grands and the price keeps on going down.
>> The lauguage changing to a point no longer understandible
Who gives a fuck, dusu. Chances are we'll be able to know ALL the languages very soon via some ai-powered brain-augmentation.
>> The damage to the body over years of use
That telomerase induction is considered to take care of that. You may also want to avoid some extremely damaging activities.
>>The build up of cholesterol in the veins and heart
Follistatin induction is reported to take care of that (probably because veins are made of some muscle mass)
>>infertility that comes with age
once again who fucking cares, also it's taken care of, the Brin's new wife is after it and she even contacted Aubrey about it and he told her that you cannot solve that separately, all the body should be fixed.
Here, let me help you out with the picture.

>>12301226
god is hpc and numerical the new bubble in tech? guess i only have 1 year to get in before the market floods

>>12297718
You can never outlive the probability that you will end up in an accident that will kill you. This probability can never be 0, so as time goes off to infinity, the probability that you must die goes to 1.

>>12301959
If we dramatically change the way we live we can reduce those accidents to near-zero.

>>12301976
You can never outlive entropy

>>12302173
Good thing is I don't even believe in entropy the way you think about it. But it's not a discussion to have here, let me just notice that human is not an isolated system.

>>12301274
I always figured the concept of Chronos eating his kids was a metaphor for time consuming everything, with gods being the exception.

>>12301610
>Neuroplasticity
I imagine there's still a hard limit on how many functioning connections you can store in your skull. Maybe if we do manage to live for several centuries, we'll end up being like Discworld trolls and catch bad cases of philosophy to the point where we just stop moving because we get too wrapped up in our own heads.

>>12302218
This (rather naked) presupposition still doesn't cross out the "some ai-powered brain-augmentation" (either way, even if you insist on meat-based memory, that is a problem much less complicated than the problem of aging we have to solve first to face that hypothetic problem of yours)

>>12302266
AI-powered brain augments might increase that connection limit, but I suspect we'll still hit a wall somewhere. In the Halo series, the AI could suffer from something called Rampancy, where they have too much information to the point where their processing starts to suffer for it. They start going nuts and will eventually become addicted to more information to the point where they manically consume every piece they can find until they get shut off or just kill themselves. They essentially think themselves to death.

>>12292955
>Why are you on a science board if you believe the big bang didnt happen?
"Why are you on the science board to question things?"
>how would you solve getting bored of everything?
New things are created all the time, there are always new experiences to have. There's no reason to assume you'd run out of things to find interesting.
>wiping your own memory
Why would you assume that to be necessary?
>creating a new person through having kids and dying.
Kids aren't you, the point is extending your own life to continue your own experience. Having kids and then dying isn't remotely the same as continuing to live.

>>12302291
Fiction disinforms.

>>12302335
Fiction isn't necessarily reality, but it allows us to experiment with ideas in novel ways. It isn't too far-fetched to believe that AI would be just a susceptible to mental illness or physical decay just the same as we are. We haven't even solved our own brains, so the likelihood that our creations would be free from our own pathology is pretty slim.

>>12302347
Good thing is it is easier to repair or change a car than your own pair of legs.

>>12302380
Car parts are much more simple and the materials don't need to constantly create and consume ATP in order to avoid entropy tearing them apart. AI would become more prone to decay as the systems become more complex and require more work to maintain their complexity. Circuits short. Bits corrupt. You still need to restart your computer from time to time because error checking can't catch every fuckup while running.

>>12302205
Based

>>12302420
>You still need to restart your computer from time to time because error checking can't catch every fuckup while running.
Isn't it what you humans call sleep?

>>12288334
there is literally no difference between living for 1ms and living for 10000 years

>>12302659
What are you even trying to say? That you're a zero? Then you don't matter and isn't worth mentioning in the first place.

>>12302558
Pretty much. I imagine that when we start making our own of conscious creations, they are very much going to be in our own image. We crave for the ideals of a perfect brain that is free from our animalistic tendencies, but even our mechanical creations are bound by the rules of nature.

>>12302854
Attention, all yoctograms!

>>12287451
>bro I’m just gonna like, undo entropy and the arrow of time
/sci/ is truly a hotbed of intellectualism

>>12303345
>entropy
open system, retard
>arrow of time
what kind of retard thinks you need time travel to remove waste products from the body?

>>12292253
It was intelligently described you retard

we can't even grow back missing teeth, eyes, or even joint cartilage. Why try to solve an issue facing literally every cell in the body first?

>>12287451
>>12300345
>K*rzesagt popsci thread

>>12287451
you are going to have to do chemistry or bio-cem and bio-med

>>12304527
Probably because eyes are complex multicellular structures, thus they're more complex than single cells we have to master first.
We also know how to substitute teeth (and I think I read that eyes as well, though those eyes are rather shitty. yet) with a cyborg parts.

I hope you realize even if aging was stopped entirely that it would at best only extend human life span, it wouldn't be even close to the holy grail. You are an organism of moving parts, and those parts get damaged in many other ways than just decay and dna. Especially when you live in such a toxic environment like Earth.
But hey good job, at least you technically cured cancer!

>>12304559
unbelievable. all you have to do is roughly replicate something that was already there to restore functional tissue.
curing the fundamental failure of animal cells requires completely restructuring every cell in your body to an exact specification.
There is no way that this comes before regenerating eyes. Look at how close we are to that (not very) and understand that what you want is magnitudes more difficult.

>>12304608
>curing the fundamental failure of animal cells requires completely restructuring every cell in your body to an exact specification.
Nope. Organism tends to cure itself, it only needs a little bit of help, and what help that is exactly is extensively researched as we speak.

>>12304608
>>curing the fundamental failure of animal cells requires completely restructuring every cell in your body to an exact specification.
adding a couple of genes to the genome is not complete restructuring (and we know how to do it, and we know many genes which we're missing, and the research procedes. all we have to strive towards is making the price of that procedure go down)

>>12299816
> you can't fix every single DNA base in your own hands or reverse a lot of the processes. this is not a chemical solution in a lab, you can't automate it or just plug in some electricity in or add another solute.
Uh thats exactly what DNA repair does for some reason it still makes tiny mistakes 10e7. If we know why, we might be able to fix it.

>>12304527
>we can't even grow back missing teeth
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep44522
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22958928/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCCdmGKtxPA

>>12287451
You do realise the big igloo may happen before aging research gets anywhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMjk-lIXFf0&t=879s

>>12290080
Will we find an alternative to the sun? Not really looking forward to earth’s demise due to the sun dying

>>12306727
We'll probably learn to live in those new conditions, whether moving to other planets of the solar system or by closing our personal biospheres from the damaging radiations, feeding on those radiations to maintain those biospheric bubble nets. You can use it in a sci-fi plot, but more urgent problems we're to solve is the risk of the collapse of civilization due to vile forces working against it, so first we have to prepare some concealed and isolated civilizational bubbles together with measures of prevention of the collapse. Thus history suddenly is, if not exactly science, a source of data to learn from and to prove that those fears are not some bigoted bias, but some rather reasonable apprehensions demanding some accurate precautions.

The membrane pacemaker theory of aging seems to hold the most water, and has actionable steps, like avoiding the polyunsatured fatty acids and other such unsaturated molecules like retinoids as well as photosensitizers, I heavily suspect the fluorescent and photolabile amino acids have a big role in it as well

Is anybody else starting to realise this? Anyone who thinks about aging/disease converging along the same path here?

>>12307431
>avoiding the polyunsatured fatty
lulwut!
> For good health, the majority of the fats that you eat should be monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Eat foods containing monounsaturated fats and/or polyunsaturated fats instead of foods that contain saturated fats and/or trans fats.
> For good health, the majority of the fats that you eat should be monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Eat foods containing monounsaturated fats and/or polyunsaturated fats instead of foods that contain saturated fats and/or trans fats.

>>12307431
>like retinoids
>anybody else
Only on the "fringe", e.g., Grant Genereux, Ray Peat.
Mainstream researchers like David Sinclair fully believe in Vitamin A and vegetarian diets.
>>12307766
>lulwut!
>For go...
Who are you quoting? If you're going to appeal to a false authority funded by lobbyists, you could at least tell us their name.

>>12304571
>>12305548
>>12300248
>>12301440
>>12303345
>>12304527

Are these bots or demoralization operatives?

>>12291510
That’s the right attitude, fag

>>12292957
How cum I basically knew all that from watching anime dork doc bgock?

>>12287451
Not even remotely possible. You have a better chance of genetically engineering people that don’t age.

>>12309722
>you can't eradicate aging, you'd be better off just trying to eradicate aging

>>12309722
>Not even remotely possible. You have a better chance of genetically engineering people that don’t age.

No we don't, dummy. It's better to let the damage accumulate at the natural rate and simply remove the damage instead of trying to tweak metabolism to not produce damage.

>>12309747
(s)He doesn't know that we already can genetically engineer adults (and thus was speaking about growing people out of modified zygotes)

>>12309815
That was Aubrey's point of view, but telomerase induction actually prevents the damage (or rather it maintains the cells before they're damaged beyond repair)

>>12309864
Yeah, but I feel like you could make the argument that curing existing humans of aging and genetically engineering the next generation of humans to be free of aging are largely the same

>>12309608
I'm the last one, I just think regenerative medicine is both a necessary step and much more promising.

>>12287451
We hire math doctorates to tackle challenging computer science problems. Fuck me right? that's what I was hoping to do with my CS degree.

>>12287451
>now the worst people that ever lived can't even die of old age
>this is a good thing
fuck you and your dead grandma OP. there are too many people already.

>>12310158
The worst people won't take those therapies, because they're schizophrenic religious zealots.
And those whom you consider the worst people will probably behave properly not to lose this sudden eternity to some guillotine and not to gain it only to be abducted into some artificial hell.
> Thinks there are too many people.
> Doesn't consider himself among the worst of them.
Faggots like you are working on sterilizing vaccines. You're dead wrong and when immortal omniscient people know what your type have done, you risk to be that guillotine's client if you're lucky not to be put through some soul-feeding sufferings.

>>12309693
cells at work is a good anime fren

>>12310158
> a few bad people = good reason to condemn an entire cohort of good people to die

Retard

>>12310258
Lol ya it was pretty good :}

You Can Do It Anon

>>12310195
absolutely scientifically based!!

>>12287451
Surviving long enough to the point where we have genuine anti-aging technology and becoming rich enough to actually afford that shit when it first rolls out is legitimately my #1 prerogative. God, I hope it becomes a legitimate thing in the near-ish future. You have my regards, OP. My future is genuinely counting on you if that's really what you decide to do.

Even if immortality drugs existed tomorrow it would only be available to people with fuck you amounts of money. They wouldn't dare let a middle class peasant like you or me gain access to it and it would likely stay that way forever

>>12313778
You probably thought what you said was very deep, but it's very shallow. Think about scientists who develop these immortality technologies, think about anons who keep their eyes on it and them. Think deeper, beyond and underneath your current level, learn to argue against your own views, it's a good way to train your brain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxO9l8_UEuw

>>12313778
Even if we assumed your gay premise was true, and we HALTED all research of aging, then the medicine will be developed in the future anyway, so the rich people who are born generations after you would still get it, and then a couple years after the poor of that generation would get it. So you're still cucking yourself because the future generations get it and you don't, so it doesn't fucking change anything. The only way to 'fix' your problem is to make the therapies arrive sooner so that your ass has a better shot at making it, because at the end of the day some rich person will get it irrespective of whether you die or not.

>>12314472
yeah were definitely seeing citizens flying black project aircrafts and 2020 supercars

absolutely brainlet, people in power always have the means. scientists are really just slaves to these people. who do you think supervises literally any new invention?

>>12314549
>who do you think supervises literally any new invention?
No fucking body. Inventions lay on shelves for decades until some smart individuals catch up, and those individuals are way too smart to be some fucking clerks.

>>12314558
imbecile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act

>>12292957
>but even this makes me more qualified than most people ITT
You don't even know about David Sinclair's research. Listen to his audiobook on the way to school/work ffs, he narrates it himself.

>>12293044
>life is meant to be productive
prove it

Need Aging Solved OP

>>12315488
fuck... I thought only mother russia dares to treat her smarties like that.
In what country should I make my inventions public?
Would the best strategy be to put them into public domain avoiding patent offices? Because I heard that inventors rarely capitalize on their inventions, so maybe donations from common public would turn out more profitable?

>>12287451
Good job, dropping majoring in a proper subject with many employment opportunities in favour of pseudoscience field which doesn't even exist yet because some anon on a Mongolian cartoon forum convinced you

>>12317408
>Would the best strategy be to put them into public domain avoiding patent offices?
Most likely yes.

>>12314549
>>12314558
>>12315488
I guess this might be what's in that Assange's "insurance" file.

>>12317422
> the field I didn't know about a week ago is definitely pseudoscience because I'm very smart
duh

>>12317803
Care to familiarise me with the advancements that are being made in this field then? Maybe some notable publications, institutions, people, or maybe even just a uni which has an offshoot programme that teaches this instead of general biomed?

>>12317881
start here
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=rejuvenation&btnG=
specify the search
you're welcome

Medicine > physics > engineering >>>>> math

>>>>>>immortality bro

>>12287451
>wanting to live forever
>achieve biological immortality
>realize you're surrounded by sub-zero IQ brainlets like /sci/
>kill yourself at 80 years of age anyway

>>12318348
>achieve biological immortality
>realize you're surrounded by sub-zero IQ brainlets like /sci/
>doesn't see a contradiction here
why wait? why suffer?

Your gonna need alot of foreskins

>>12318732
How does the foreskin even work?

need immortality serums

>>12317505

"What keeps exposed elites from murdering assange are blueprints of flying cars"

Retard alert.

https://file.wikileaks.org/file/italy-child-sex-2008/

If this comes to fruition the risk/reward incentives will pussify everyone that matters such that space colonization will become unlikely.

Why go on a rocket woth a 1 in 100 000 risk of death when I can keep enjoying VR extasy right here?

This could be a part of the great filter.

>>12320301
Space colonization will start with robots we operate from earth and when the planet (or a small part of it) is terraformed, we'll send our zygotes to be developed in those conditions and that will probably be the most popular form of reproduction.

be made by sending zygotes in the company of robots who

>>12287678
>but we also have declining birth rates already anyway so it would probably just balance out.
I keep hearing this and can't find a source, can you hook it up bro?

>>12287451
I'm going to need it by the time this frog war is over