/sci/ - Science & Math

Reminder that SLS will reach orbit before Starship

>>12285973
First for space habitats.

Bless this thread.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/nasa-and-spacex-set-new-date-for-crew-launch-explain-merlin-engine-issue/
>How a tiny bit of lacquer grounded new Falcon 9 rockets for a month

>>12285977
Reminder that anime is for pedophiles

>>12285973
First for USTRANNYCOM building Von Braun stations

>>12285995
>I hate anime let me go post this on a 4chan thread

>>12285973
reminder that war in earth's orbit will happen before 2050 and the resulting debris will lock us on the ground for a 100 years.

It was 22 years ago today that NASA decided to send a geriatric congressman into orbit for kicks

>>12285980
I'm interested to know how many Russians browse /sfg/ and what they think of SLS

>>12286002
Reddit is your friend if you want moderated chats where dissenting opinions are deleted.

>>12286017
Just trying to give you shit anon. No need to pull the Reddit card- even though I don't doubt you are very familiar with the website.

>>12286011
Wasn't that the same flight were they tested how roses grown in space smell compared to roses grown on Earth?

>>12286032
The experiment to investigate the aroma of flowers when grown in a microgravity environment is an important pillar of our manned space program

>>12285982
darn third party vendors always fucking up

imagine being the guy who didn't remove the masking properly afterwards and costing an entire launch

>>12285977
definitely a bot

>>12286047
>imagine being the guy who didn't remove the masking properly afterwards and costing an entire launch
he probably doesn't feel as bad as the guy who drilled a hole into a spacecraft causing a panic on the ISS

>>12286072
>the guy who drilled a hole into a spacecraft
Was it ever determined how such a thing even happened?

>>12286049
>he doesn't know about ritualposters
It's pure, undiluted, unautomated autism

>>12286075
https://www.space.com/russian-soyuz-hole-air-leak-source-secret-nasa-chief.html
>"They have not told me anything," Bridenstine said during a Houston energy conference question session Thursday (Sept. 19)

>>12286092
It's a little hard to explain getting blackout drunk and trying to make a glory hole to the vacuum of space, give Ivan some time

>>12285977
>moeshit
SLS will never fly.

>>12286002
On Mars, pedos have the privilege of death by raptor

>>12286112
My prediction: it was a known fuckup that Ivan tried to patch up and failed.

>>12285980
>Russian spaceflight industry

>

>>12286150
Ah yes, the controversial "spastic burn". A complex but necessary maneuver for recovering boosters from orbital speed

>>12286150
>the kraken strikes again

>>12286150
GET DOWN

>>12286147

>>12286150
I upvote my fellow redditor. the narwal beacons!

>>12286150
ALT+f4! ALT+F4!

>>12286072
>>12286075
>>12286092
>>12286112
>>12286131

Quality controll must have slipped in that time period, MS-09 having that hole and the Soyuz rocket of MS-10 wrecking itself.

Everything seems fine save for the Zvezda ISS module with that leak it has. It seems that hole is the result of wear and tear of the station, that it has aged considerably:

https://tass.com/science/1217453

>>Crack aboard ISS could have emerged due to space station’s natural wear, says cosmonaut

>>12286182
>It seems that hole is the result of wear and tear of the station, that it has aged considerably
Considering Zvezda was built in the 80s it's surprising it doesn't have more problems

>>12286164

>>12285977
is this the new uzaki?
when will u faggots stop posting fotm shit

>>12286047
>darn third party vendors always fucking up
I wonder if this is part of the reason the SLS is so delayed. 3rd party hell.

>>12286232
It's statistically impossible for that not to be part of the reason. No one vertically integrates outside of SpaceX (maybe some other newspace do too, dunno) so delays due to poorly standardized parts and systems that don't actually work together are just the norm.

Hi SFG! Please tell me your space startup concept. I've come into a large sum of money and I need an idea to invest in.

>>12286269
SPACE
CATGIRL
ROBOTS

>>12286269
my idea is that you take a mmokrlpgo and inap [[[[ into leo aboard a falcon heavy

>>12286289
>mmokrlpgo and inap [[[[
Space madness has infected this anon. I say we space him before it spreads to us.

>>12286291
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

>>12286269
Electro-catapult assisted aluminum hybrid Lunar orbital tugboats

>>12286269
Subterranean cavern nuclear bomb powered steam pressure vessel space gun

>>12286269
BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON
BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON
BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON

>>12285977
what version of sls? the finished one thats scheduled to fly if everything goes perfectly according to plan no earlier than 2030?

or you mean the one that's less powerful than a falcon heavy?

>>12286302
I had this idea the other day lmao. I was thinking of that man hole that was ejected from Earth (assuming it wasn't completely burned up by the atmosphere). Just detonate an underground nuke and put a spaceplane at the surface. Ground to space in like 10 seconds

Troop deployment from LEO is stupid, but is there any conceivable case for ODSTs? Like a niche? Maybe instead of a monolithic station, we have troops stationed in a massive starlink-esque constellation so they can be deployed more accurately

>>12286319
This is an ingenious method to deliver molten slag to space anon.

>>12286325
you are anti-progress

>>12286323
>cryo-pod version of MOOSE
>thousands of elite soldiers constantly in orbit ready to be deployed anywhere in the world in a matter of minutes

>>12286325
thunderf00t over here has no faith of the heart

>>12286323
GUYS, CAN WE DO THIS??? THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIVING AND WARRING IN SPACE

>>12286269
ROBOTIC
TRANSHUMANIST
HUMAN MIND
SPACE VESSELS
>>12286286
Fuck...
YEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!

esa bros....

>>12286363

>>12286269
Build this.

https://www.strawpoll.me/21177102/r

/sfg/ seems to be more optimistic about SN8's chances than other places.

>>12286363
>>12286368
Isn't Ariane 6 is just an Ariane 5 with a new engine and boosters, and the boosters are already done? It's pretty much a mini-SLS in terms of technological development. How are they still having development issues?

bros, wtf is ESA doink, are they retart?

>>12286368
Kek. Le Cope™

>>12286386
>Isn't Ariane 6 is just an Ariane 5 with a new engine and boosters, and the boosters are already done?
Better than the original plan to make it all SRBs
>How are they still having development issues?
For the same reasons SLS is

>>12286368
if they think spacex is subsidized, why dont they just try subsidizing their own commercial space companies if it's just that easy?

>>12286319
Even if the craft survived, anyone in it would be turned into soup in a spacesuit.

>>12286368
>SpaceX is unduly subsidized
>Ariane 6 is being developed in a public-private partnership with the majority of the funding coming from various ESA government sources — €2.815 billion — while €400 million is reported to be "industry's share".
>ESA will ask member states for an additional 230 million euros

>>12286397
ESA isn't funded by a single government like NASA. They need the shekels of multiple countries to get shit done

>>12286286
I don't know why I bother checking if these are real anymore.

>>12286417
I'm always told by socialists that cooperation gets shit done? Are you telling me collectivism breeds stagnation and corruption? No...

>>12286363
I can't believe this is the space program my taxes pay for.

>>12286286
Are they going to be the furry kind or the anime kind?

>>12286011
And now I feel old as shit because I watched that live in school.

t. 30 year old boomer

>>12286381
I voted smoking crater so I don't have to cope if it fails, but part of me believes it work.

>>12286416
ESA should be disbanded, holy shit. Can't even make a rover on time, blame problems on a nothingburger virus and the USG and lack of funds. Laughable if it wasn't so sad, Euro nations need to build their own space agencies if they want to get serious

>>12286429
Cooperation gets shit done, yes. Bureaucracy and politics don't, that's one of the major things keeping ESA back.

>>12286444
>Euro nations need to build their own space agencies if they want to get serious
People in Europe will tell you that cooperation is the only way to be competitive with the US

>>12286442
Just do what I plan on doing. I expect it to work, but in the event if fucking fails and crashes I am going to change my mind right before the crash and pretend I expected it to help me cope lmao

>>12286444
They can't. Why do you think ESA exists in the first place. Out of all the European nations, only Germany would have the manpower and infrastructure necessary to start its own space programme

>>12286429
Cooperation only works when everyone is on the same page, and when those who lag far behind are cut off. A major problem with ESA is that they have to work with many countries with wildly varying goals, and can't select a few countries who work the best but instead have to work with all of them.

>>12286453
>only Germany would have the manpower and infrastructure necessary to start its own space programme
The UK would probably have a nice if not small scale space program now had they stuck with it

>>12286442
I think it will crash but I'll be very happy to be wrong.

>>12286431
Yes.

>>12286047
>darn third party vendors always fucking up
"only way to get it done right is to do it yourself" is basically the story of most musk ventures

>>12286449
The problem is that the states share a common identity with being American, but the European countries really don't share a similar common identity with being European apart from being on the same continent and even that is in dispute.

>>12286449
Peter Beck made it to orbit on fucking chump change. Even India gets more shit done than ESA, and they're on a shoestring budget too. At least ISRO plans to fly their own damn astronauts, will Euros ever have crew access through anywhere but the US??

>>12286286
>>12286422
Elon is clearly on some really good shit right now. He must be happy about Starship progress.

>>12286449
They haven't been competitive with the US in a long time. The only reason they seemed competitive for a while was the Shuttle got retired but Ariane 5 didn't... but Falcon 9 flew before the Shuttle was retired so the gap was always going to be a short one.

>>12286392
>3.8 BILLION complaining about SpaceX's 400 MILLION
genuinely pitiful

>>12286444
Euro countries in their current state would never have the political willpower to allocate decent funds to space. And even if they did, as we've seen it would get spent inefficiently. Unironically what the world needs is more situations like SpaceX where govts make decently sized allocations to small newspace startups to fund them to produce actual worthwhile rockets instead of being stuck barely making orbit and barely breaking even, but it seems that kind of forethought is lightning in a bottle.

>>12286448
cooperation only exists to placate bureaucracy. see sls/orion contractors

>>12286474
>last tweet
kek

>>12286392
>>12286480
Its a distraction. They're incompetent like Boeing so they blame those that are successful. The same tactics is used by Russia to divert criticism from its failing space program.

>>12286448
SLS is literally cooperation of thousands of companies various organizations politicians and international entities. If your mental state doesn't deteriorate and you are able to pay attention over the next decade you will notice a pattern regarding those big cooperation projects.

>>12286487
I wonder how many texts elon gets from Shotwell where she's just like SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>12286483
>see sls/orion contractors
Also see the ISS. It always boggles my mind when they brag about it being the most expensive object ever built like that's something to be proud of
>a single starship will have more internal volume

>>12286392
I'm glad SpaceX exists now. Imagine if SpaceX never took off, you looking at that $3.8B development expenditure, and thinking to yourself "that's reasonable".

>>12286498
Thanks, yeah that's an even better example. And they're bragging to about using the ISS model for Gateway. Like fucking stop please, these other countries serve only to slow us down

>>12286498
>It always boggles my mind when they brag about it being the most expensive object ever built like that's something to be proud of
space is hard

>>12286269
a paintball / laser tag / airsoft facility in orbit.
think about it.
0g gunfights.
you'll have millionaire's children begging for a go.

>>12286459
>>12286444
Yes and no. The future lies in private space development & reserach. Governments should focus on funding research on breakthrough space technologies,exploration and improving infrastructure.

>>12286493
Nigger we were talking about US funding SpaceX and not the US funding NASA itself. SLS is a shitshow and literally the worst example you could've used.

>>12286480
>>12286392
wait, shit I didn't notice he was using euros for the first one.

That's $4429280000, or ~4.4 billion dollars. Include the amount they're asking at it bumps up to $4697368000, or nearly 4.7 billion dollars. That's almost 12x more funding for an outdated rocket vs a revolutionary one that's been performing for years now.

>>12286188

>>12286495
Elon could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and not lose customers

Reminder to vote Trump if you like space travel

>>12286512
>those dragons

>>12286510
Jesus fucking CHRIST, why even bother?? Starship is a miracle in the making
>>12286512
These are beautiful

>>12286522
Ohh I saw them but I didn't get it at first. Now it makes sense lmao

>>12286522
Draco thrusters!

>>12286519
basudo und rottepilled

>>12286510
I'm pretty sure there's embezzling going on. Imagine the pushback if someone proposed tracking where every dollar/euro went in these projects.

>>12286528

>>12286539
what's he thinkin about bros

>>12286533
It would actually be more humiliating for eurofags if they proved there wasn't embezzlement and they're just that bad at making cheap rockets.

>>12286539
>>12286546
HYPERGOLIC SPACE SPOONS

>>12286546
>"how much cereal can I eat from this spoon?"

>>12286546
Thinkin' bout those dracos.

>>12286498
$300 billion didn't on ISS and not a single noble-prize from the research. What exactly are they researching there?
They should be testing copulatio, pregnancy, baby birth etc.
Instead they are just doing who knows what.

>>12286546
You can literally see his autism forcing him to think about how to make them more efficient
>>12286555
Checked and kek'd

>>12286546
Where to find a big robot who wants a big cereal.

>>12286014
We have at least 1

>>12286557
>What exactly are they researching there?
they recently did a test on how to bake cookies in microgravity :)

>>12286557
>"What exactly are they researching there?"
>What do flowers grown in space smell like?
>Can green beans grow in space?
>Can we bake a cookie in space using an easybake?
>haha water spheres go bloop
>Should we solve the bone atrophy issue? Nah, later I need to study how piss crystals grow
>Just bill the tax payer another billion or so
>Space is hard bros

Anyone have a multi-MW laser? Perseverance is more than halfway to Mars as of 2 days ago. We must stop it before it gets there; if it finds ANY signs of life the future colonial missions might be jeopardized by anti-colonialist planetary protection dorks

>>12286574
>We must stop it before it gets there
I think it might be a little out of the ULA sniper's range anon.

>>12284173
>>12284273
Hey (You) two,
Kessler syndrome is no small problem, even if we had highly advanced tech.
If you only operate around asteroid base in the belt, sure the debris will spread and may only need basic tracking. But on high traffic planet/moon orbit you simply cannot just "armor spaceship". Even if you had tank armor on every part, including radiator and engine you'll eventually break something critical.

Also I already have CODE, it's very nice yes. To bad it hit a limit in how a lone developers cannot code the AI who would automatically build, pilot and reach the ultimate conclusion of space warfare.
Which is at best expandable drone ship sacrificing themselves to protect the control ship.
At worst impossible because a simple laser aimed precisely would disable a ship essential part and turn it into dead weight.

>>12286557
they were avertising some facial cream a couple weeks ago, cool stuff

>>12286374
>nuclear

>>12286573
This makes me so fucking mad, commercial stations can't come soon enough

>>12286374
>15MN for a ship that big
Would that even take off or would this be an upper stage for the Sea Dragon?

>>12286573
The smell, growing, and baking are all relevant experiments. Yeah it's not glamorous but it is important info about micro-gravity.

>Should we solve the bone atrophy issue?
Hasn't this been experimented with and resulted in the exercise regimes for astronauts on the ISS?

>>12286519
This. Trump may be a retard but his space policy has been solid. Biden is an old senile cuck who would probably cancel NASA if he could.

>>12286616
It's an upper stage.

>>12286623
>Hasn't this been experimented with and resulted in the exercise regimes for astronauts on the ISS?
Yes, but NASA haven't found the right set of experiments to completely solve the issue until recently. All they had to do was do fewer more intense reps.

>>12286627
Trump's interest in securing a moon landing by the end of his second term for ego/legacy reasons coincides with /sfg/'s interest in seeing people walking on the moon again, even if one of them is a token woman.

>>12286623
>The smell, growing, and baking are all relevant experiments. Yeah it's not glamorous but it is important info about micro-gravity.
Relevant sure but worth $300 billion?

Is dreamchaser just sitting in a warehouse doing nothing? What the fuck are they waiting on, vulcan?

>>12286640
biden will make sure they are male->female nigger trannies. guess it's better than having an actual woman on the moon

>>12286663
eric berger says it will fly in the late 2030s

>>12286663
Someone to buy one really.
Poor dreamchaser
Say something nice about her!

Next scheduled rocket launch
>Nov. 3 Atlas 5 • NROL-101
>Launch time: 2258 GMT (5:58 p.m. EST)
>Launch site: SLC-41, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida
>A United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket will launch a classified spacecraft payload for the U.S. National Reconnaissance Office. The rocket will fly in the 531 vehicle configuration with a five-meter fairing, three solid rocket boosters and a single-engine Centaur upper stage.
>The mission was changed from an earlier planned “551” configuration. This will be the first launch of an Atlas 5 rocket with new Northrop Grumman-built GEM-63 solid rocket motors, replacing the Aerojet Rocketdyne AJ-60A solid rocket motors used on previous Atlas 5s. Delayed from September and October. [Oct. 27]

>>12286676
It's cute.

>>12286643
It's not like those few experiments cost 300 billion. There have been over hundreds of experiments on the ISS. See for yourself, you'll find a lot more interesting stuff then cookie baking. The microbiology and Cellular biology stuff is really interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_research_on_the_International_Space_Station

>>12286663
They're building it now (you've seen it down in Michoud)
Though I read somewhere that they only plan on building one of them to fulfill all it's commercial contracts. Lets hope they don't lose lose it on the maiden launch

>>12286676
Love the lucky dice

>>12286679
Bets on how many times this launch is gonna scrub?

>>12286676
Looks pretty, is pretty practical (at least in an era before Starship takes off), and pretty much had a 100% chance to make it to the ISS had it been chosen over (((Starliner)))

>>12286539
How does expansion work with nozzles cut in a weird plane like this? Does the gas stick to the side like an aerospike, or expand outwards immediately?

Fuck I cannot find the tweet but there was this weird moment in time a couple of years ago where a couple of astronauts said "we would be happy flying on a cargo-only dreamchaser without windows. It is 100% autonomous". This was basically them saying yeah fuck boeing, dreamchaser should have been chosen and we would rather fly on one without windows than fly on a starliner

>>12286627
On the upside, I doubt Biden would mess with anything Obama was involved with, so I doubt any commercial contract stuff would be harmed by his administration.

>>12286709
>here's your starliner bro

>>12286676
If you stretched it a bit longer so it didn't throw the trunk away it'd be a good bridge/escape module for larger orbital spacecraft. Way better than a dumb capsule that has the windows pointing the wrong way.

Dreamchaser -> hab module -> spinny hab modules -> trusses and tanks -> engines and reactors

>Weinstein
>https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1321797394321821697

EveryFuckingTime

>>12286725
That nose

>>12286725
They're only complaining because it won't be Jews owning the resources in space.

>>12286717
Efficiencypilled

>>12286725
Yes, there are dumbasses who see the ebil hwait patriarchee in everything including spaceflight. This has been established many times before. Best to leave these well dwellers behind for the stars.

Lmao I like to think Jim has an entire folder on his desktop called Artemis_Worm_Photos_HD

>>12286269
A giant Gun.
It shoots its load into orbit or to the moon. Once there, cheaper construction of not only a moon colony but also off-planetary ships.

>>12286725
>space used to be a wondros place
How to tell these people have no idea what they're talking about. Enough with these Twitter literal whos

>>12286725
>asteroid full of so much gold that it would make gold nearly worthless and able to be widely used in many applications previously too expensive to make it worth it
>one of the first steps towards a post-scarcity economy
>this is capitalism
They really are just pissed that their manufactured conflicts are being destroyed.

>>12286725
Stop posting Twitter screenshots and fuck off

>>12286744
Somewhere Dan Goldin is seething

>>12286748
*literal Jews

>>12286753
Well, you can't be rich if everyone else also have everything they want.

What are some dumbass mistakes you made in your space program, /sfg/?
Pic related, i messed up and got into a retrograde orbit around Saturn, so instead of a nice and easy titan aerobrake, i slammed into the atmosphere at 11 km/s. Fortunately ksp doesn't really care about inconveniences like melting your electronics.

>>12286269
unironically? space suits (whether counterpressure-based or otherwise) are all pieces of shit at this point in time, and I think it's gonna be a third party that ends up filling the niche for actual good suits

>>12286363
I remember Frenchies being like this when I worked in Brussels a while back. Really ill-mannered, stroppy and salty about anything that undermined their view of themselves as superior to the rest of us mere mortals, when the truth is their entire outlook was dreadfully zero-sum, small minded and defeatist in nature.

>>12286368
Meant to reply to this one

>>12286791
French are literally going extinct. Good riddance.

>>12286725

>>12286011
>not remembering Barfin' Jake Garn

>>12286753
Gold has so many cool uses. Hammered gold fillings are basically never done today due to expense but they last forever. Electronics need gold to be as cheap as possible.

>>12286150
>>12286157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP5c_MEs9mo&t=5s

>>12286323
They're called the mobile infantry for a reason...

>>12286725
yeah, as if the past decades of gov-lead space exploration have been anything but a disaster. PUBLIC GUD PRIVATE BAD. Eat shit.

Good god she's a walking stereotype. On what level of self-loathing do you have to be to throw away all of your uniqueness to become a corporate-woke billboard?

>>12286850
It's a mind virus.

>>12286850
And one day, for no reason at all, humans left Earth and established an authoritarian state on Mars

Stop talking about Twitter retards.

>>12286859
>>12286755
I think at times it can be prudent to discuss impediments to space-related progress. If a tweet gets tens of thousands of likes it may be worth bringing up. Or even looking at general sentiments in some cliques and discussing their potential impacts. But fishing for random tweets that have no traction behind them is just outrage porn.

>>12286884
Eugh yeah i’m typically of the mindset of “don’t post progressive twitter screenshots” because half the time it details the whole thread. But sometimes it’s important. I found this yesterday and was gonna post it but decided not to. But now I will.

>>12286895
this tweet is correct except for the delusion that "this time it will be different" despite literally electing the vice president to the guy who got NASA into the SLS death spiral

>>12286895
>But sometimes it’s important.
No it's not.

>>12286897
I mean it mainly jumped out to me because he states that Jim has been really "hostile" to anyone that isn't republican. Which I assume he pulled out of his ass.

>>12286850
Jesus, this could very well be the largest nose I've ever seen. It has a width of a typical black person nose with the length of a jew.

>>12286909
I assumed he meant Trump, not Jim. If he meant Jim he's a fucking retard.

>>12286884
>But fishing for random tweets that have no traction behind them is just outrage porn.
This. We need to post more positive tweets about spaceflight.

>>12286919
this is actually a great idea. Interest in space is booming so there's a lot of good to be found as well.

>>12285973
Would it have worked?

To the anon that wanted to join Space Force, here's what you need to do

>>12286895
Here is how NASA could perform a lunar mission before 2024 with neither Starship nor SLS on a budget:
>FH launches propulsion module 1 into LEO (actualy just a modified F9 upper stage)
>FH launches propulsion module 2 into LEO
>FH launches lander module into LEO
>FH launches service module into LEO
>they all dock
>F9 launches modified crew dragon with thicker heatshield
>docks to the stack in orbit

>stack does TLI with propulsion module 1 and 2
>service module is used to enter LLO
>lander is deployed
>lander lands, boots on the moon, collects some rocks, dust etc. and look if they find interesting stuff to research, someone plants a Zeon flag
>lander launches
>docks with service module
>lander gets jetissoned
>service module boosts dragon back to earth
>dragon does an aerobraking maneuver in the upper athmosphere before actual re-entry
>dragon enters earth athmosphere
>dragon splashes down

>>12286943
Thanks bro. I have good grades but holy shit I bombed the ASVAB

>>12286946
Here’s a plan that’ll work

Part I: Lander
>3 Falcon heavies launch the components of the “National Team” lander to the moon.
>These components dock in a NRHO orbit and wait for crew

Part II: Orion
>Vulcan places Orion into LEO
>Falcon Heavy (Expendable) carries a 60 ton ACES stage (ULA built) into LEO.
>ACES docks with the Orion and pushes it out to the moon.
>Orion inserts into NRHO and rendezvous with the lander.
>Mission complete, Orion burns to go home.

NOTAMS

>Effective Date(s):
>From October 31, 2020 at 2359 UTC
>To December 31, 2020 at 2359 UTC

>https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_0205.html

>>12286961
would love to get a look at her raptors dangling under that skirt, hehe

>>12286961
>space squids sex.
>spacex

Coincidence? I think not!

>>12286964
>bombed the ASVAB
Damn nigga, you have 2 INT.

Is Elon getting too cocky?
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-spacex-mars-laws-starlink-b1396023.html

>>12286965
>Altitude: From the surface up to and including 1800 feet MSL
What? I thought they weren't doing a 150m hop?

>>12286980
TREASON!
NATIONALIZE NOW

>>12286980
>independent
YIKES

>>12286964
>Thanks bro. I have good grades but holy shit I bombed the ASVAB

The fuck is wrong with you lol it’s not super hard
Study mechanical shit beforehand and you’ll do good

>>12286974
>>12286998
What's a good score to get/aim for?

>>12287006
Depends entirely on the MOS you want

Space Force Foreign Legion when? Service guarantees citizenship

>>12287006
i got a 99 but chickened out. It was not hard.

FUCK why is New Glenn such a shit launcher it's literally the most beautiful rocket ever made, just scrub the Below Orbit sign off of it.

SpaceX has colonized Boca Chica

>>12287024
New Glenn is badass but it pisses me off that it only puts 45 tons into LEO. You dumbasses should’ve just extended it or something because 5 more tons and it’s a “super heavy lift vehicle”

>>12286269
food cooked in 0g

>>12286964
>Vulcan
>ACES
>human rated Orion
I was talking about something realistic, not a bunch of paper-rockets.

>>12287027
Blue Origin, if they had the capacity to move faster than a particularly unenthusiastic rock, should be building a fully reusable upper stage for New Glenn. Without that it's just a shittier Falcon Heavy. With it, it might fill a niche for something smaller than Starship for routine LEO missions like ISS resupply.

>>12287027
I think it has more to do with the fact that the BE-4 engine is an anemic piece of shit lol

>>12287006
Anything 70's and above gets you into Air Force, and now, Space Force. Anything below, the rest of the armed forces will happily take you.

>>12287027
The Be-4 has a lower ISP and TWR than the Rd-180, a 35 year old Kerosene engine. Add to that a Hydrolox upper stage and it's no surprise that it sucks. Imagine if it had Raptors, holy shit.

Let's be very honest. We don't have an SLS block 2. Advanced boosters may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Starship is real. You've seen it down at Boca Chica. They're building the core stage. They have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at McGregor... I don't see any hardware for a SLS Block 2, except that they're going to take Block 1B and these paper rocket Advanced Boosters and put them together and that becomes the Block 2. It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>12286269
1. Make moon base
2. Make ring around moon
3. put astroids near earth
4. Mine astroids/ moon
5. Send materials to moon to make industry to make mile long ships
6. Do this in the name of national security.

>>12286964
Why would you go through the trouble of putting a hydrogen upper on Falcon Heavy and not just launch a Bridenstein stack?

Today in history:
>1991 – The American Galileo spacecraft makes its closest approach to 951 Gaspra, becoming the first probe to visit an asteroid.
>1998 – Space Shuttle Discovery blasts off on STS-95 with 77-year-old John Glenn on board, making him the oldest person to go into space.

Should I become a space lawyer?

A prominent law school in space law is fairly close to me.

>>12287086
In space, nobody can hear you bang your gavel.

>>12287075
Big Jim's Bridenstack

>>12287044
>BE-4 is shittier than the RD180
Just checked it and it’s true wtf? A 40 year old Kerolox engine literally shits on it. They should’ve just made a Kerolox New Glenn and put like 100 tons to LEO

>>12287044
>tfw el cheapo open cycle keralox Merlin 1D vacuum has a better specific impulse than closed cycle methalox BE-4
>tfw the cheapest upper stage engine with worse fuel mogs your ISP

>>12287075
ICPS does not have the delta V to move Orion from LEO to the Moon. SLS puts ICPS on an eccentric orbit that goes out halfway to GTO.

Falcon Heavy 1 launches ICPS, and Falcon Heavy 2 launches Orion.

>>12287101
I mean by the time you human rate all of that, Starship will be ready lmao. Either way I'm pretty sure everyone realizes that every rocket in Elon's arsenal can BTFO SLS. Even a god damn F9 could probably find a way to get Orion to the Moon if used correctly and if we were willing to use an orbital assembly tug

>>12287090
>WELCOME TO
>SPACE JAIL

Is Isaac Arthur the best person to watch about futurist space stuff

>>12287111
Isaac Awthuw

>>12286939
>Hydrolox core stage with 7 hydrolox booster
IMAGINE THE EFFICIENCY

>>12287101
It would be interesting to calculate if FH in fully or at least core expendable mode could yeet Orion+ICPS into an orbit with sufficiently high apoabsis.
Keep in mind that FH still has some unused potential that could be unlocked by not starting the center core at launch or just starting 3 out of 9 engines at launch.

>>12287131
Yeah wtf is that whole second half just one giant fairing? That's pretty god damn based

space cruise ships when

>>12287131
Hydromeme isn't efficient unless you're already in orbit, we've been over this. Stacking boosters doesn't help.

>>12287133
Or strap two more boosters on the side so you have 4 boosters total. You could yeet orion into LEO and rendezvous with a dragon (I imagine a four booster expendable FH would never ever ever get a human rating lmao)

>>12287137
In fact it actually makes it worse, because the whole reason hydrolox cores need boosters is the shit TWR of hydrogen. Which makes "hydrogen boosters" an oxymoron.

Wont the sls still be inherently unsafe because of its use of solid fuel boosters?

>>12287148
yes.

>>12285977
shut up, Haruhi

>>12287145
No, the problem is they compensate for shitty mass ratios by building huge ass tanks, hydrogen engines have a lot of thrust and hydrolox is less than half as dense as kerolox.

>>12287148
Solid boosters aren’t inherently unsafe, but the ones on SLS can melt holes in parachutes

>>12287148
I mean in actuality SRB's aren't inherently UNsafe. If used correctly that is. If you are within safety parameters (i.e. you know it won't shake your vehicle to death like the Ares I-X) then you are pretty good to go. Shuttle is just a bad example because a) they were mounted on the side so you couldn't get the fuck away if they blew up, and b) Challenger launched while outside of the safety parameters of the SRB's

>>12287148
SRB's are safer than liquid fuel engines until the point you have to shut them down mid burn.

>>12287141
The main issue of FH is that the upper stage is SERIOUSLY undersized.
Regular FH allready pushes some 6 G at maxQ, so simply not starting the center core engines untill the side boosters have burned out would be possible.
Not only does it require no physical changes, Merlin 1D has been proven timr and time again to ignite just fine in vacuum.
This would turn FH from a 2,5 ish stage rocket into a real 3 stage rocket and solve the issue with overly high G-forces as well as the undersized upper stage.

Just using two more side boosters wouldn't be structuraly sound and probably exceed 10G at maxQ.

>>12287162
Wasn't Columbia destroyed because the SRBs shook the foam off

>>12287137
yep

>>12287096
you can't compare vacuum and sea level engines like that

>>12287072
Using 1cm thick graphene you could put a 10km wide mini-ringworld around the Moon at 100km above the surface with 0.0156 rotations per minute to achieve 1g rotating at almost exactly 6km/s and it would only take 2,413 Starships worth of pure graphene to do it, costing $4.8 billion for launches of Starship alone at current best estimates with an additional $24.1 billion for the graphene alone, bringing our total for building a Lunar mini-ringworld to around 1.5x the current cost of SLS, and only about 3/4ths of the expected total cost of SLS.

>>12287169
I believe something fell off and knocked the foam but I wouldn't be surprised if it could be traced back to shaking from the SRB. Look I'm not a huge fan of SRBs but the shuttle definitely used them incorrectly. Whoever thought it was a good idea to ignore the dolphin sex launcher and instead sandwich your vehicle between two unstoppable exploding pencils was a moron with a death wish

>>12287157
>hydrogen engines have a lot of thrust
Hydrogen engines have wonderful efficiency but mediocre thrust, because of propellant density. Consider for any unit of mass through the engine, the corresponding volume of propellant is fed through the pumps. The same size turbopump can move much more mass of kerosene or methane than it can of hydrogen, so the same size engine will produce more thrust.

>>12287075
BRIDENSTINE
STINE STINE STINE

>>12287094
>They should've just made a Kerolox New Glenn
I don't think the problem is the fuel they chose, it's just that 1. those salty soviets had a lot of experience under their belt and probably could've designed rings around BO's team and 2. they were too prissy to properly test the damn things, drastically extending the dev cycle when they could've had it finalized and been making improvements by now.

>>12287111
cant stand him

>>12287177
Additionally: At 115,422 square kilometers total usable area that would make it exactly the 100th largest nation on Earth if it were both a nation and on Earth, right under Eritrea and right above Benin. Alternatively, it would become the 35th largest state in the United States, right under Ohio and right above Virginia

>>12285977
just about had it with you posting this cringe anime shit, grow up

>>12287232
anime isn't cringe, SLS is cringe

>>12287177
what would worry me is that a failure anywhere would spell doom for the entire thing

>>12287177
>>12287231
The Ringworld is unstable.

>>12287241
>>12287245
How so? Legit dumb question.

>>12287250
moon orbits are notoriously unstable, anything left there even in higher orbits decays very rapidly, as low as 100km kiss your world goodbye

>>12287254
>Through a study of many lunar orbiting satellites, scientists have discovered that most low lunar orbits (LLO) are unstable.[3] Four frozen lunar orbits have been identified at 27°, 50°, 76°, and 86° inclination. NASA expounded on this in 2006:
>[There are] a number of 'frozen orbits' where a spacecraft can stay in a low lunar orbit indefinitely. They occur at four inclinations: 27°, 50°, 76°, and 86°"—the last one being nearly over the lunar poles.

>>12287238
SLS is an American powerhouse and brings jobs and wealth across our nation. Anime is pussified coomer bait spawned from a neutered zipperheads. Go cut your nuts off, scum

>>12287259
Now let's see what the tidal forces are gonna look like across that thing's surface

>>12287245
Does a ring even count as being in orbit? Its center of mass is inside the moon and it rotates at way over the orbital speed

>>12287177
>3cm thick graphene
And we can power it with cold fusion.

>>12287276
*ether

>>12287177
I was thinking a mass driver with a track around the moon, but that sounds cheap and cooler

>>12287284
>entire ringworld is run by a single power over ethernet cable strung from Earth

>>12287271
Ask MIT, they lambasted Larry Niven about it when he did a presentation there.

>invest $100 in spaceX or whatever is the first company to mine asteroids
>20,000 years later Musk Industries owns all known space
>Descendants are part of E.L.O.N. the holders of Musk stock.
>One Musk stock is worth a habitable solar system

>>12287293
Put starlink out of fucking business

>>12287294
hahaha based ball MITts

>>12287271
> Its center of mass is inside the moon and it rotates at way over the orbital speed
so does it crash into the moon or fling itself away

>>12287301
>it's overvalued
>solar systems are a bubble

>>12287294
shitty concepts by frauds artists who arent actual real thing makers are actually useless pipedream fantasies, who would have thought

>>12287326
Fuckin' O-bama crashin' my stellar neighborhood market again GAH!

>>12287329
and this is why i can't fucking stand isaac arthur

>>12287339
wait, are you saying dyson swarms are a lie?

>>12287344
The Dyson swarm is real. You've seen it down at Michoud.

>>12287276
A little graphene goes a long way, an entire centimeter is thick as fuck.
>>12287286
I'm pretty sure what equates to a really big maglev train gun is going to be significantly less expensive than what we've got going on here.
>>12287294
>>12287329
What's actually wrong with a ringworld? It's not really much different from any other rotating habitat, just different proportions.

>>12287322
If it was perfectly rigid I think it would align its center of mass with the moon, but it's not and moreover there are mass anomalies below the surface (which are the reason for unstable orbits), on the other hand its fast rotation should make it try to keep a round shape so long the mass distribution around the ring is even, so it might be perfectly stable, or enter some fancy resonance mode, or simply try to fold itself in half and crash into the surface tl;dr fuck if I know

>>12287086
I say do it, it's a cool title and the space industry shows no signs of slowing

>>12287111
I wouldn't use him as a substitute for a textbook, but in terms of edutainment you could do a lot worse

>>12287368
The Dyson swarm is real. You've seen it up in space. All the planets are there, ready to be dismantled and put around the sun.

>>12286850
>DurhamNH/CambridgeMA/Wakanda
Char, spin up the O'Neill cylinders.

>>12287379
>What's actually wrong with a ringworld?
Second paragraph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld#Errors

>>12287379
>What's actually wrong with a ringworld?
nothing, its a great dream like unicorns. you'll never see either of them irl tough

>>12287410
based realist

>>12286850

No, she's just jealous that others are able to go to space and not just hand picked government workers.

>>12287418

>>12287406
So just don't make it a perfectly rigid structure?
>>12287410
Don't be so sure. If your issue with ringworlds is their absurd scale, thus making them well outside the scope of any living humans, then you're partially right, but we are closer to solving aging than you might think.

>>12287260
>brings jobs and wealth across our nation


That's what the rocket is, a jobs program.

>>12287211
I can't stand you.

>>12287421
yes, everything in life is political.

As an actual communism i understand that most space travel today (mostly spacex) is a consequence of capitalism. Im against capitalism, im for both science fiction as an art and actual space travel as a dicipline which are different stuff. It's important to keep those apart and understand that supporting one thing isnt the same as supporting all.

The problem isnt that "everything is political" the problem is that every discussion quickly turns to cringe.

>>12287425
>but we are closer to solving aging than you might think.
I think it will be solved in 500-1000 years and thats wildly optimistic.

yes, we got screwed over were scientific enough to understand its possible but not scientific enough to get there. life just sucks like that some times

>>12287418
>the wealthy want to flee to space and thats bad
>the wealthy want us to flee to space and thats bad
So these schmucks want everyone to stay on Earth?

>>12287431
Shut up commie

>>12287443
Communism is about dragging everyone to the bottom

>>12287425
>perfectly rigid structure?
Plus place it low enough that orbial speed give you one gee.

>>12287111
if you want shitty science fiction watch star trek
if you want witty science fiction read arthur c clarke
if you want actual science knowledge read a science textbook

if you want to know none of the above while also having a ridiculous sense of smugness and suggesting that youre somehow a genius because you were in the military and have a degree from a shitty college like so many losers while its obvious that youre just a fat nerd who got bullied to death over his speech impediment and has the shittiest sci fi books in the background while he just barely repeats wikipedia and has his wife who obviously married him for his youtube money appear and let people know when you go to your honey moon because its so freaking obvious that its the first time that a women talks to you for something other than making fun (and that includes his mother) ...
then yes
see isaac videos

>>12287443
If the lefties can't afford a ticket to space then they don't want anyone else to be able to go to space.

>>12287430
Get that retard impediment checked out, buddy

>>12287446
there's no need to be rude, we'll solve it one day on the battlefield, until then there's no need not to respect each other

>>12287431
Stop being a communist.
>>12287421
Astronauts are mostly hotshots in the airforce, right? Yet somehow I doubt they were running many articles about how the space program is soo politicized and big meanie jingoism is keeping the poor huddled masses off of the ISS.

>>12287447
Cringe. They should focus on uplifting everyone.

>>12287434
we're solving it this century. it's not as hard as people make it seem

>>12287459

This movie sums up their thought process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)

If it been up to these lefties airline travel would had been killed off when the Ford Tri Motor was commonly used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Trimotor

>>12287454
to be fair most right wingers i know cant affoard it either. I dont know where the left=poor right=wealthy comes from.

There's loads of sons of wealthy bankers who like to carry around che guevara wallets and play the revolutionary, and there's loads of poor people who cant affoard to fix their pants but like to defend the rich to feel like they belong to society. Its kinda random really

>>12287452
i read wh40k books

>>12287462
Not everyone can be or wants to be uplifted, and those in power to do so will inevitably abuse it. China euphemistically describes it's concentration camps as "vocational training to make better citizens". This has always been one of the critical failings of communism.

>>12287452
There's an anon here that so eloquently puts my thoughts into words. Thank you

>>12287457
Shut up commie.

>>12287467
>If it been up to these lefties airline travel would had been killed off when the Ford Tri Motor was commonly used.
sounds like luddites or anprims.

to be fair actual communists won the manned space race, the space race, the moon race and the venus race, so i think not all communists are inherently against space travel.

>>12287463
Curing aging would be revolutionary for families & those who're stuck in dying industries such as coal mining.

For families a women can focus exclusively on having children in their 20s, then once the kids move out the wife can completely devote herself to a career.

I don't think we would forever live but coal miners in their 50s could very likely get another 50-100 years of career out their bodies, so all of the old men would go back to college to become engineers.

>>12287481
>the Soviet Union
>actual communists

>>12287470
Yeah but the right wingers aren't petty little fucks who would kill off private industry to make space exclusively a government domain.

>>12287477
The Muslim camps exist because the Saudis were building Muslim education centers to radicalize the population.

>>12287481
Nah, it's a pure jealousy thing. Look at how they mention "the rich".

>>12287485
>For families a women can focus exclusively on having children in their 20s, then once the kids move out the wife can completely devote herself to a career.

We have no idea what would happen with inmortality, everything we do is tied up to the fact that we die, everything from the way we speak work every institution every activity, all of it is based omn the fact that we die. If you can truly have inmortality thats more or less massive it will change everything forever in ways that are fundamentally unknowable

>>12287489
right wingers can be petty fucks too. they can be anti science and literal flat earthers. Keep in mind that for many people elon musk isnt an ancap leader but rather another silicon valley liberal asshole

>>12287495
t. joe rogan

>>12287434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRt7LjqJ45k
>>12287448
Not possible, not around Earth, at least.
>>12287477
That's why we only uplift animals. They can't make choices about whether or not they want something so complex until they already have it and it's far too late.

>>12287495
Yeah but things WILL change if he takes us to the Moon & Mars. Once he deliver results the right wing will mostly shut up.

The biggest issue is that the liberal fuck wits who would rather have the space program be a big pile of steaming ash then to allow those who aren't handpicked by NASA to go into space.

It's notoriously difficult to become an astronaut, Musk would make it a matter of writing a check book.

This Iranian woman would go to mars and the Moon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anousheh_Ansari

>>12287238
Reminder that manime and shounen is the standard going into space. Only those with CHAD tier musculature will evolve in space.

>>12287495
biggest change is going to be ownership.
The 1% are going to beef up their security to prevent their own kids from killing them to inherit

>>12287492
This. Us righties at least have more honed in hatred and blame the rich jews. Those guys actually have connections, like faking the holobunga or starting degeneracy like free internet pornography (Al Goldstein).

>>12287515
Free internet pornography is the inescapable result of free market economics applying to the internet. A Jewish guy was the first one to do it, but any society given internet would develop free mass pornography. Women are sluts and men are horny, every device has a camera.

>>12287111
i like isaac
turn on captions though

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY WAITING FOR? STATIC FIRE THIS FUCKER ALREADY

>>12287530
Next closure is tomorrow

>>12287507
>Once he deliver results the right wing will mostly shut up.
sure, like antivaxers, right?

>>12287111
Basically >>12287400
He give you complex analysis you'd find in 20 different sources and ideas you sometime never found anywhere, but the price is that you have to listen to him.

>>12287526
I don't like that the rockpussy looks like a normal one. If I'm fucking a rock, there better be a weirder hole.

>>12287452
>if you want to know none of the above while also having a ridiculous sense of smugness and suggesting that youre somehow a genius because you were in the military and have a degree from a shitty college like so many losers while its obvious that youre just a fat nerd who got bullied to death over his speech impediment and has the shittiest sci fi books in the background while he just barely repeats wikipedia and has his wife who obviously married him for his youtube money appear and let people know when you go to your honey moon because its so freaking obvious that its the first time that a women talks to you for something other than making fun (and that includes his mother) ...
>then yes
youre not half the man isaac is

Threadly reminder that Mars is a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities

Starlink Terms of Service:
9. Governing Law.
For Services provided to, on, or in orbit around the planet Earth or the Moon, these Terms and any disputes between us arising out of or related to these Terms, including disputes regarding arbitrability (“Disputes”) will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of California in the United States. For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other colonization spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.

>>12287431
>As an actual communism
Your bacteria have formed workers councils?

>>12287522
Things could've been good under better management.

>>12287562
I’m pretty sure it’s supposed to be an eye... right?

>>12287598

Rate my SSTO

>>12287101
>SLS puts ICPS on an eccentric orbit that goes out halfway to GTO
The entire orange tank goes that far out?

>>12287607
orange tank big

>>12287606
meh id fuck it

>>12287595
The free market has decided infinite free porn is profitable. Do not question the wisdom of The Hand.

>>12287606
Now try making one in Realism Overhaul. It's really not challenging in stock. Very very difficult in RO.

>>12287606

Payload includes:
>Deep Space Communications
>Full science suite
>ISRU

>>12287488
>the "it wasn't real communism" fallacy but used in the opposite way

>>12287607
Imagine how much dV is wasted pushing around that much insulation and meticulously hand-engraved isogrid. Hydrogen really is a fuel, and SLS's core would almost make more sense as the second stage of a big kerosene booster like Saturn.

>>12287622

I'm using Real Solar System with 3.5x stock scale

>>12287623
Are you using the mk3 parts expansion?

>>12287631

I'm using lots of mods including Community Tech Tree, RSS, Real Exoplanets, Tweak Scale

>>12287111
I‘m a brainlet who mostly feasts on youtube for information. But I found Arthur pretty useless. He just skips all the interesting questions of practicality and just talks about pie in the sky concepts that are tens of thousands of years of constant societal advancements away.
Newsflash: With infinite energy, infinite resources, infinite labor, and infinite time you can do fucking anything. Fucking amazing. Never figured that.

>>12287431
Fuck off dumb communist retard
https://mises.org/library/karl-marx-religious-eschatologist

>>12287642
Yeah agreed.
>Puhawps given enough enugy and weesowaces, footuh humans wiww be abwe to cowonize the gas pwanets
Like yeah okay? I don’t understand why so many people talk highly of him here.

>>12287654
>Like yeah okay? I don’t understand why so many people talk highly of him here.
Usually people here hate on him or at least tolerate him. There's never much in the way of actual gushing

>>12287185
But Hydrolox has much higher exhaust velocity.
>>12287339
Yeah sci-fi is ok, great even, but a lot of his content is just way out there.
>>12287177
Just build a rotating space station and avoid the headaches.

>>12287431
The only good commie is a mulched commie.

Did the SLS survive the hurricane?

>>12287659
I would mostly describe it as "tepid" but there was one entertaining thread where a guy from his community came spouting all of their talking points but clearly hadn't planned for getting actual rebuttals.
>>12287642
People indulged his magic boner too much. He used to talk about slightly more practical/tangible stuff as well but now it's pretty much just what you described. I consider myself optimistic about the future and technology but I don't just find replacing Titan with thermally maxed computation running quadrillions of simulated intelligences impractical, it's soulless.

>>12287630
Huh, that really didn't look like it had the mass fraction to SSTO in real scale. What magic are you using? Drop tanks? Clipping?

>>12287642
This. I was curious about how helium 3 can be "mined" from gas giants, found his video on it, and he quickly jumps to building orbital rings with a mass greater than the Earth to scoop up the material from the planets. Like, cool, but what about the intermediate steps?

>>12287659
Yeah also I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to make fun of his speech impediment. Just speaking in the vernacular. It's his subjects I find uninteresting. Scott Manley is, in my opinion, the best space youtuber out there.

>>12287690

Nuclear Ramjets

>>12287728
>Project Pluto to orbit
That's horrifying and also arousing

>>12287627
So let me get this straight. The fucking orange tank and its engines achieves orbit, even pushes further out than that.
Then they have this perfectly working but empty rocket sitting in its entirety in orbit and the next step in their master plan is deorbiting this rocket with no survivors?
Please tell me I got that wrong.

>>12287507
If he builds or repairs Starships on Mars, then ITAR applies. The US government won't let foreigners on that boat.

>>12287732

It works, but I can't leave LEO which is annoying. If I could get to the moon I'd be able to ISRU to anywhere else in the solar system.

>>12287737
Wait... there's no way that's true. But come to think of it there isn't anything past the orange tank except the adapter and the ICPS so it HAS to get the orange tank to orbit...... WHAT THE FUCK

>>12286539
>eat cereal
>milk goes into combustion chamber
>no milk on cereal
>thruster ruined
who thought this was a good idea bros?

>>12287746
That's why you get KSPI, use the Halberds to take off and get to altitude than slam LANTRs or whatever. You're going to need to make your own configs though.

>>12287737
>>12287750
>tfw no high orbit orange tank wet workshop

>>12287737
Yes. They could choose to leave the RS-25s in a graveyard orbit for future recovery and actively choose not to.

>>12287761

Yeah I might give that a try, I'm sure Ive got something more exotic with higher ISP

>>12287770
Congress might be aiming to destroy American spaceflight history.

>>12287770
God fucking dammit I hope Artemis I has a clock problem and the orange tank separates and immediately fires again and rams into Orion and destroys the whole mess

>>12287780
Hubble might be intentionally deorbited before Starship is trusted to go get it.

>>12287780
That's the price one pays for using Legacy Hardware™

>>12287770
>RS25s in a graveyard orbit
>worth recovering
kek no, there are a lot of problems with SLS but this is not one of them

>>12287774
Oh you could definitely use the z-pinch engines and pull of a Pluto direct but where's the fun in that. If you like spaceplanes get OPT or B9 too, B9 has RO configs for the sabre engines if you like a more realistic jet experience.

We should paraterraform Mars.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1321960103814324234

>Politico mentions Oklahoma Rep. Kendra Horn as a possible NASA administrator if Biden wins.
>If you remember, Horn was the architect behind HR 5666, a pro-Boeing bill that basically sought to convert the Human Landing System contract from fixed-price to cost-plus, and said SLS should be used for lunar lander missions.

BOW DOWN TO YOUR QUEEN, /sfg/!

>>12287789
Just for the historical value of the Shuttle engines. New production RS-25s would be worth scrap value. Starship could totally recover them.

>>12287793
She's the female equivalent of Shelby. Whats with Oklahoma running NASA?

I love the Artemis program because it inspired my great great granddaughter to study STEM

>>12287793
>pro-Boeing
>sought to convert the Human Landing System contract from fixed-price to cost-plus
>said SLS should be used for lunar lander missions.

>>12287804
How can you expect people who've never seen an ocean to understand space?

>>12287808
At least she appears to advocate for human spaceflight sometimes

>>12287788

Yeah, don't want to make it too easy. Just want to be able to hop between my Moon and Mars bases.

>>12287814
But at what cost anon

>>12287793

>>12287818
Your honor, all my fine clients from /sfg/ said they would do it IN MINECRAFT

The future administration of NASA doesn't really matter because Starship will have lowered commercial launch costs by orders of magnitude, and they'll just look stupid flying SLS. Nobody likes to look stupid. Artemis 1 through 4 will fly on it, and Europa Clipper (in 2026 lmao) and then it'll be canned.

>>12287816
Billions to the multiple contractors involved

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>>12287822
Still it would be nice if the head of the worlds leading agency in spaceflight matters wasn't a horrific shill for oldspace

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>>12287816
at plus cost

>biden to re-focus nasa on climate change
>to elect kendra horn as nasa administrator
its worse than everyone imagined

>>12287815
You really need refueling for that if you mean to do it in a single stage. Even with the top end NTR's you're not gonna have any proper payload without refueling. Also, check out the full scale real solar system, just feels better imho.

>>12287835
It's closer to a coin flip than the 95% or whatever for Biden that the media spews. Still bad if we get tails.

>>12287794
Starship submarine? How fast would it go underwater?

>>12287822
I used to think US stagnation was due to Boeing/commercial contractors, but now the picture I'm getting is garbage human beings that play politics.

>>12287840
Boing has all of those people on payroll, there is no distinction

>>12287835
yep voting trump
he may be a comical asshole but at least he wants speedy spaceflight development

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>>12287789
I don‘t care about historical value or whatever. But the fact that this system leaves a huge fucking hydrolox rocket with (partially?) vacuum optimized engines floating around in orbit with the main problem with it being that it‘s out of fuel at that point. And they saw this and the only thing that came to their minds was "Yeah we need to deorbit this so it‘s not space debris."
It just tells me (yet again) that nobody on that project has had any vision at all. I know the engines need refurbishment after a flight. I know there‘s issues with lighting them. I know there‘d be issues with propellant transfer and storage. You’d have to reengineer a lot of stuff, sure.
But to think the system gets that far along the way and then just seizes to be useful as a rocket, because it never occurred to them that they might be able to use it for more than just one launch...
It kind of boggles my mind.

>>12287844
Stagnation is not just on aerospace, its also in navy, airforce, army, cyberspace, etc.

Darpa used to be the forefront of technology, now they're asking for shitty siliconvalley startsups help. Stagnation is a political disease across the entire chain of politics.

>>12287793
oh god this is a nightmare

>>12287848
It's the only way, otherwise we can put human spaceflight back in the box for another decade and wait some more.

>>12287793
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>inb4 B*rger reiterates that his "reliable insider source" says Trump is going to ditch Bridenstine after the election

>>12287853
Dude they can't make the fucking rocket using existing hardware and you want them to actually put in an effort to improve things? Lmfuckingao it's not gonna happen.

>>12287863
kek I'm 99% sure he made that shit up

>>12287854
Darpa had some hand in almost everything going right in the US today. In a just world their programs and funding would only be increasing, but supporting fledgling industries doesn't get you those revolving door connections.

>>12287863
>Punished Jim becomes lobbyist for SpaceX and later runs the Martian based exploration of the belt

>>12287642
Fellow brainlet here, I like him for two reasons. First, he has a solid library of these concepts that I haven't seen before. I have no idea where I would even find this shit in a relatively easy to digest format. Second, I can listen to his wambling on my commute.

I just hope asteroid mining is possible in our lifetime.

>>12287853
Dude they can't make the fucking rocket using existing hardware and you want them to actually put in an effort to improve things? Lmfuckingao it's not gonna happen.

>>12287606
Spare Parts/10

>>12287872
Yeah, I also thought I was done getting exasperated at SLS. I hope that was the last of it this time after all.
Well maybe Europa Clipper will still get me worked up on occasion.