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Reminder that SLS will reach orbit before Starship
>>12285973First for space habitats.
Bless this thread.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/10/nasa-and-spacex-set-new-date-for-crew-launch-explain-merlin-engine-issue/>How a tiny bit of lacquer grounded new Falcon 9 rockets for a month
>>12285977Reminder that anime is for pedophiles
>>12285973First for USTRANNYCOM building Von Braun stations
>>12285995>I hate anime let me go post this on a 4chan thread
>>12285973reminder that war in earth's orbit will happen before 2050 and the resulting debris will lock us on the ground for a 100 years.
It was 22 years ago today that NASA decided to send a geriatric congressman into orbit for kicks
>>12285980I'm interested to know how many Russians browse /sfg/ and what they think of SLS
>>12286002Reddit is your friend if you want moderated chats where dissenting opinions are deleted.
>>12286017Just trying to give you shit anon. No need to pull the Reddit card- even though I don't doubt you are very familiar with the website.
>>12286011Wasn't that the same flight were they tested how roses grown in space smell compared to roses grown on Earth?
>>12286032The experiment to investigate the aroma of flowers when grown in a microgravity environment is an important pillar of our manned space program
>>12285982darn third party vendors always fucking upimagine being the guy who didn't remove the masking properly afterwards and costing an entire launch
>>12285977definitely a bot
>>12286047>imagine being the guy who didn't remove the masking properly afterwards and costing an entire launchhe probably doesn't feel as bad as the guy who drilled a hole into a spacecraft causing a panic on the ISS
>>12286072>the guy who drilled a hole into a spacecraftWas it ever determined how such a thing even happened?
>>12286049>he doesn't know about ritualpostersIt's pure, undiluted, unautomated autism
>>12286075https://www.space.com/russian-soyuz-hole-air-leak-source-secret-nasa-chief.html>"They have not told me anything," Bridenstine said during a Houston energy conference question session Thursday (Sept. 19)
>>12286092It's a little hard to explain getting blackout drunk and trying to make a glory hole to the vacuum of space, give Ivan some time
>>12285977>moeshitSLS will never fly.
>>12286002On Mars, pedos have the privilege of death by raptor
>>12286112My prediction: it was a known fuckup that Ivan tried to patch up and failed.
>>12285980>Russian spaceflight industry
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>>12286150Ah yes, the controversial "spastic burn". A complex but necessary maneuver for recovering boosters from orbital speed
>>12286150>the kraken strikes again
>>12286150GET DOWN
>>12286147
>>12286150I upvote my fellow redditor. the narwal beacons!
>>12286150ALT+f4! ALT+F4!
>>12286072>>12286075>>12286092>>12286112>>12286131Quality controll must have slipped in that time period, MS-09 having that hole and the Soyuz rocket of MS-10 wrecking itself. Everything seems fine save for the Zvezda ISS module with that leak it has. It seems that hole is the result of wear and tear of the station, that it has aged considerably:https://tass.com/science/1217453>>Crack aboard ISS could have emerged due to space station’s natural wear, says cosmonaut
>>12286182>It seems that hole is the result of wear and tear of the station, that it has aged considerablyConsidering Zvezda was built in the 80s it's surprising it doesn't have more problems
>>12286164
>>12285977is this the new uzaki?when will u faggots stop posting fotm shit
>>12286047>darn third party vendors always fucking upI wonder if this is part of the reason the SLS is so delayed. 3rd party hell.
>>12286232It's statistically impossible for that not to be part of the reason. No one vertically integrates outside of SpaceX (maybe some other newspace do too, dunno) so delays due to poorly standardized parts and systems that don't actually work together are just the norm.
Hi SFG! Please tell me your space startup concept. I've come into a large sum of money and I need an idea to invest in.
>>12286269SPACECATGIRLROBOTS
>>12286269my idea is that you take a mmokrlpgo and inap [[[[ into leo aboard a falcon heavy
>>12286289>mmokrlpgo and inap [[[[Space madness has infected this anon. I say we space him before it spreads to us.
>>12286291uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
>>12286269Electro-catapult assisted aluminum hybrid Lunar orbital tugboats
>>12286269Subterranean cavern nuclear bomb powered steam pressure vessel space gun
>>12286269BIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOONBIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOONBIG SWASTIKA ON THE MOON
>>12285977what version of sls? the finished one thats scheduled to fly if everything goes perfectly according to plan no earlier than 2030?or you mean the one that's less powerful than a falcon heavy?
>>12286302I had this idea the other day lmao. I was thinking of that man hole that was ejected from Earth (assuming it wasn't completely burned up by the atmosphere). Just detonate an underground nuke and put a spaceplane at the surface. Ground to space in like 10 seconds
Troop deployment from LEO is stupid, but is there any conceivable case for ODSTs? Like a niche? Maybe instead of a monolithic station, we have troops stationed in a massive starlink-esque constellation so they can be deployed more accurately
>>12286319This is an ingenious method to deliver molten slag to space anon.
>>12286325you are anti-progress
>>12286323>cryo-pod version of MOOSE>thousands of elite soldiers constantly in orbit ready to be deployed anywhere in the world in a matter of minutes
>>12286325thunderf00t over here has no faith of the heart
>>12286323GUYS, CAN WE DO THIS??? THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LIVING AND WARRING IN SPACE
>>12286269ROBOTICTRANSHUMANISTHUMAN MINDSPACE VESSELS>>12286286Fuck...YEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!
esa bros....
>>12286363
>>12286269Build this.
https://www.strawpoll.me/21177102/r/sfg/ seems to be more optimistic about SN8's chances than other places.
>>12286363>>12286368Isn't Ariane 6 is just an Ariane 5 with a new engine and boosters, and the boosters are already done? It's pretty much a mini-SLS in terms of technological development. How are they still having development issues?
bros, wtf is ESA doink, are they retart?
>>12286368Kek. Le Cope™
>>12286386>Isn't Ariane 6 is just an Ariane 5 with a new engine and boosters, and the boosters are already done?Better than the original plan to make it all SRBs>How are they still having development issues?For the same reasons SLS is
>>12286368if they think spacex is subsidized, why dont they just try subsidizing their own commercial space companies if it's just that easy?
>>12286319Even if the craft survived, anyone in it would be turned into soup in a spacesuit.
>>12286368>SpaceX is unduly subsidized>Ariane 6 is being developed in a public-private partnership with the majority of the funding coming from various ESA government sources — €2.815 billion — while €400 million is reported to be "industry's share".>ESA will ask member states for an additional 230 million euros
>>12286397ESA isn't funded by a single government like NASA. They need the shekels of multiple countries to get shit done
>>12286286I don't know why I bother checking if these are real anymore.
>>12286417I'm always told by socialists that cooperation gets shit done? Are you telling me collectivism breeds stagnation and corruption? No...
>>12286363I can't believe this is the space program my taxes pay for.
>>12286286Are they going to be the furry kind or the anime kind?
>>12286011And now I feel old as shit because I watched that live in school.t. 30 year old boomer
>>12286381I voted smoking crater so I don't have to cope if it fails, but part of me believes it work.
>>12286416ESA should be disbanded, holy shit. Can't even make a rover on time, blame problems on a nothingburger virus and the USG and lack of funds. Laughable if it wasn't so sad, Euro nations need to build their own space agencies if they want to get serious
>>12286429Cooperation gets shit done, yes. Bureaucracy and politics don't, that's one of the major things keeping ESA back.
>>12286444>Euro nations need to build their own space agencies if they want to get seriousPeople in Europe will tell you that cooperation is the only way to be competitive with the US
>>12286442Just do what I plan on doing. I expect it to work, but in the event if fucking fails and crashes I am going to change my mind right before the crash and pretend I expected it to help me cope lmao
>>12286444They can't. Why do you think ESA exists in the first place. Out of all the European nations, only Germany would have the manpower and infrastructure necessary to start its own space programme
>>12286429Cooperation only works when everyone is on the same page, and when those who lag far behind are cut off. A major problem with ESA is that they have to work with many countries with wildly varying goals, and can't select a few countries who work the best but instead have to work with all of them.
>>12286453>only Germany would have the manpower and infrastructure necessary to start its own space programmeThe UK would probably have a nice if not small scale space program now had they stuck with it
>>12286442I think it will crash but I'll be very happy to be wrong.
>>12286431Yes.
>>12286047>darn third party vendors always fucking up"only way to get it done right is to do it yourself" is basically the story of most musk ventures
>>12286449The problem is that the states share a common identity with being American, but the European countries really don't share a similar common identity with being European apart from being on the same continent and even that is in dispute.
>>12286449Peter Beck made it to orbit on fucking chump change. Even India gets more shit done than ESA, and they're on a shoestring budget too. At least ISRO plans to fly their own damn astronauts, will Euros ever have crew access through anywhere but the US??
>>12286286>>12286422Elon is clearly on some really good shit right now. He must be happy about Starship progress.>>12286449They haven't been competitive with the US in a long time. The only reason they seemed competitive for a while was the Shuttle got retired but Ariane 5 didn't... but Falcon 9 flew before the Shuttle was retired so the gap was always going to be a short one.
>>12286392>3.8 BILLION complaining about SpaceX's 400 MILLIONgenuinely pitiful
>>12286444Euro countries in their current state would never have the political willpower to allocate decent funds to space. And even if they did, as we've seen it would get spent inefficiently. Unironically what the world needs is more situations like SpaceX where govts make decently sized allocations to small newspace startups to fund them to produce actual worthwhile rockets instead of being stuck barely making orbit and barely breaking even, but it seems that kind of forethought is lightning in a bottle.
>>12286448cooperation only exists to placate bureaucracy. see sls/orion contractors
>>12286474>last tweetkek
>>12286392>>12286480Its a distraction. They're incompetent like Boeing so they blame those that are successful. The same tactics is used by Russia to divert criticism from its failing space program.
>>12286448SLS is literally cooperation of thousands of companies various organizations politicians and international entities. If your mental state doesn't deteriorate and you are able to pay attention over the next decade you will notice a pattern regarding those big cooperation projects.
>>12286487I wonder how many texts elon gets from Shotwell where she's just like SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>12286483>see sls/orion contractorsAlso see the ISS. It always boggles my mind when they brag about it being the most expensive object ever built like that's something to be proud of>a single starship will have more internal volume
>>12286392I'm glad SpaceX exists now. Imagine if SpaceX never took off, you looking at that $3.8B development expenditure, and thinking to yourself "that's reasonable".
>>12286498Thanks, yeah that's an even better example. And they're bragging to about using the ISS model for Gateway. Like fucking stop please, these other countries serve only to slow us down
>>12286498>It always boggles my mind when they brag about it being the most expensive object ever built like that's something to be proud ofspace is hard
>>12286269a paintball / laser tag / airsoft facility in orbit.think about it.0g gunfights.you'll have millionaire's children begging for a go.
>>12286459>>12286444Yes and no. The future lies in private space development & reserach. Governments should focus on funding research on breakthrough space technologies,exploration and improving infrastructure. >>12286493Nigger we were talking about US funding SpaceX and not the US funding NASA itself. SLS is a shitshow and literally the worst example you could've used.
>>12286480>>12286392wait, shit I didn't notice he was using euros for the first one.That's $4429280000, or ~4.4 billion dollars. Include the amount they're asking at it bumps up to $4697368000, or nearly 4.7 billion dollars. That's almost 12x more funding for an outdated rocket vs a revolutionary one that's been performing for years now.
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>>12286495Elon could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and not lose customers
Reminder to vote Trump if you like space travel
>>12286512>those dragons
>>12286510Jesus fucking CHRIST, why even bother?? Starship is a miracle in the making>>12286512These are beautiful
>>12286522Ohh I saw them but I didn't get it at first. Now it makes sense lmao
>>12286522Draco thrusters!
>>12286519basudo und rottepilled
>>12286510I'm pretty sure there's embezzling going on. Imagine the pushback if someone proposed tracking where every dollar/euro went in these projects.
>>12286528
>>12286539what's he thinkin about bros
>>12286533It would actually be more humiliating for eurofags if they proved there wasn't embezzlement and they're just that bad at making cheap rockets.>>12286539>>12286546HYPERGOLIC SPACE SPOONS
>>12286546>"how much cereal can I eat from this spoon?"
>>12286546Thinkin' bout those dracos.
>>12286498$300 billion didn't on ISS and not a single noble-prize from the research. What exactly are they researching there? They should be testing copulatio, pregnancy, baby birth etc. Instead they are just doing who knows what.
>>12286546You can literally see his autism forcing him to think about how to make them more efficient>>12286555Checked and kek'd
>>12286546Where to find a big robot who wants a big cereal.
>>12286014We have at least 1
>>12286557>What exactly are they researching there?they recently did a test on how to bake cookies in microgravity :)
>>12286557>"What exactly are they researching there?">What do flowers grown in space smell like?>Can green beans grow in space?>Can we bake a cookie in space using an easybake?>haha water spheres go bloop>Should we solve the bone atrophy issue? Nah, later I need to study how piss crystals grow>Just bill the tax payer another billion or so>Space is hard bros
Anyone have a multi-MW laser? Perseverance is more than halfway to Mars as of 2 days ago. We must stop it before it gets there; if it finds ANY signs of life the future colonial missions might be jeopardized by anti-colonialist planetary protection dorks
>>12286574>We must stop it before it gets thereI think it might be a little out of the ULA sniper's range anon.
>>12284173>>12284273Hey (You) two,Kessler syndrome is no small problem, even if we had highly advanced tech.If you only operate around asteroid base in the belt, sure the debris will spread and may only need basic tracking. But on high traffic planet/moon orbit you simply cannot just "armor spaceship". Even if you had tank armor on every part, including radiator and engine you'll eventually break something critical.Also I already have CODE, it's very nice yes. To bad it hit a limit in how a lone developers cannot code the AI who would automatically build, pilot and reach the ultimate conclusion of space warfare.Which is at best expandable drone ship sacrificing themselves to protect the control ship.At worst impossible because a simple laser aimed precisely would disable a ship essential part and turn it into dead weight.
>>12286557they were avertising some facial cream a couple weeks ago, cool stuff
>>12286374>nuclear
>>12286573This makes me so fucking mad, commercial stations can't come soon enough
>>12286374>15MN for a ship that bigWould that even take off or would this be an upper stage for the Sea Dragon?
>>12286573The smell, growing, and baking are all relevant experiments. Yeah it's not glamorous but it is important info about micro-gravity.>Should we solve the bone atrophy issue?Hasn't this been experimented with and resulted in the exercise regimes for astronauts on the ISS?
>>12286519This. Trump may be a retard but his space policy has been solid. Biden is an old senile cuck who would probably cancel NASA if he could.
>>12286616It's an upper stage.
>>12286623>Hasn't this been experimented with and resulted in the exercise regimes for astronauts on the ISS?Yes, but NASA haven't found the right set of experiments to completely solve the issue until recently. All they had to do was do fewer more intense reps.
>>12286627Trump's interest in securing a moon landing by the end of his second term for ego/legacy reasons coincides with /sfg/'s interest in seeing people walking on the moon again, even if one of them is a token woman.
>>12286623>The smell, growing, and baking are all relevant experiments. Yeah it's not glamorous but it is important info about micro-gravity.Relevant sure but worth $300 billion?
Is dreamchaser just sitting in a warehouse doing nothing? What the fuck are they waiting on, vulcan?
>>12286640biden will make sure they are male->female nigger trannies. guess it's better than having an actual woman on the moon
>>12286663eric berger says it will fly in the late 2030s
>>12286663Someone to buy one really.Poor dreamchaserSay something nice about her!
Next scheduled rocket launch>Nov. 3 Atlas 5 • NROL-101>Launch time: 2258 GMT (5:58 p.m. EST)>Launch site: SLC-41, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida>A United Launch Alliance Atlas 5 rocket will launch a classified spacecraft payload for the U.S. National Reconnaissance Office. The rocket will fly in the 531 vehicle configuration with a five-meter fairing, three solid rocket boosters and a single-engine Centaur upper stage. >The mission was changed from an earlier planned “551” configuration. This will be the first launch of an Atlas 5 rocket with new Northrop Grumman-built GEM-63 solid rocket motors, replacing the Aerojet Rocketdyne AJ-60A solid rocket motors used on previous Atlas 5s. Delayed from September and October. [Oct. 27]
>>12286676It's cute.
>>12286643It's not like those few experiments cost 300 billion. There have been over hundreds of experiments on the ISS. See for yourself, you'll find a lot more interesting stuff then cookie baking. The microbiology and Cellular biology stuff is really interesting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_research_on_the_International_Space_Station
>>12286663They're building it now (you've seen it down in Michoud) Though I read somewhere that they only plan on building one of them to fulfill all it's commercial contracts. Lets hope they don't lose lose it on the maiden launch
>>12286676Love the lucky dice
>>12286679Bets on how many times this launch is gonna scrub?
>>12286676Looks pretty, is pretty practical (at least in an era before Starship takes off), and pretty much had a 100% chance to make it to the ISS had it been chosen over (((Starliner)))
>>12286539How does expansion work with nozzles cut in a weird plane like this? Does the gas stick to the side like an aerospike, or expand outwards immediately?
Fuck I cannot find the tweet but there was this weird moment in time a couple of years ago where a couple of astronauts said "we would be happy flying on a cargo-only dreamchaser without windows. It is 100% autonomous". This was basically them saying yeah fuck boeing, dreamchaser should have been chosen and we would rather fly on one without windows than fly on a starliner
>>12286627On the upside, I doubt Biden would mess with anything Obama was involved with, so I doubt any commercial contract stuff would be harmed by his administration.
>>12286709>here's your starliner bro
>>12286676If you stretched it a bit longer so it didn't throw the trunk away it'd be a good bridge/escape module for larger orbital spacecraft. Way better than a dumb capsule that has the windows pointing the wrong way.Dreamchaser -> hab module -> spinny hab modules -> trusses and tanks -> engines and reactors
>Weinstein>https://twitter.com/IBJIYONGI/status/1321797394321821697EveryFuckingTime
>>12286725That nose
>>12286725They're only complaining because it won't be Jews owning the resources in space.
>>12286717Efficiencypilled
>>12286725Yes, there are dumbasses who see the ebil hwait patriarchee in everything including spaceflight. This has been established many times before. Best to leave these well dwellers behind for the stars.
Lmao I like to think Jim has an entire folder on his desktop called Artemis_Worm_Photos_HD
>>12286269A giant Gun.It shoots its load into orbit or to the moon. Once there, cheaper construction of not only a moon colony but also off-planetary ships.
>>12286725>space used to be a wondros placeHow to tell these people have no idea what they're talking about. Enough with these Twitter literal whos
>>12286725>asteroid full of so much gold that it would make gold nearly worthless and able to be widely used in many applications previously too expensive to make it worth it>one of the first steps towards a post-scarcity economy>this is capitalismThey really are just pissed that their manufactured conflicts are being destroyed.
>>12286725Stop posting Twitter screenshots and fuck off
>>12286744Somewhere Dan Goldin is seething
>>12286748*literal Jews
>>12286753Well, you can't be rich if everyone else also have everything they want.
What are some dumbass mistakes you made in your space program, /sfg/?Pic related, i messed up and got into a retrograde orbit around Saturn, so instead of a nice and easy titan aerobrake, i slammed into the atmosphere at 11 km/s. Fortunately ksp doesn't really care about inconveniences like melting your electronics.
>>12286269unironically? space suits (whether counterpressure-based or otherwise) are all pieces of shit at this point in time, and I think it's gonna be a third party that ends up filling the niche for actual good suits
>>12286363I remember Frenchies being like this when I worked in Brussels a while back. Really ill-mannered, stroppy and salty about anything that undermined their view of themselves as superior to the rest of us mere mortals, when the truth is their entire outlook was dreadfully zero-sum, small minded and defeatist in nature.
>>12286368Meant to reply to this one
>>12286791French are literally going extinct. Good riddance.
>>12286725
>>12286011>not remembering Barfin' Jake Garn
>>12286753Gold has so many cool uses. Hammered gold fillings are basically never done today due to expense but they last forever. Electronics need gold to be as cheap as possible.
>>12286150>>12286157https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP5c_MEs9mo&t=5s
>>12286323They're called the mobile infantry for a reason...
>>12286725yeah, as if the past decades of gov-lead space exploration have been anything but a disaster. PUBLIC GUD PRIVATE BAD. Eat shit. Good god she's a walking stereotype. On what level of self-loathing do you have to be to throw away all of your uniqueness to become a corporate-woke billboard?
>>12286850It's a mind virus.
>>12286850And one day, for no reason at all, humans left Earth and established an authoritarian state on Mars
Stop talking about Twitter retards.
>>12286859>>12286755I think at times it can be prudent to discuss impediments to space-related progress. If a tweet gets tens of thousands of likes it may be worth bringing up. Or even looking at general sentiments in some cliques and discussing their potential impacts. But fishing for random tweets that have no traction behind them is just outrage porn.
>>12286884Eugh yeah i’m typically of the mindset of “don’t post progressive twitter screenshots” because half the time it details the whole thread. But sometimes it’s important. I found this yesterday and was gonna post it but decided not to. But now I will.
>>12286895this tweet is correct except for the delusion that "this time it will be different" despite literally electing the vice president to the guy who got NASA into the SLS death spiral
>>12286895>But sometimes it’s important.No it's not.
>>12286897I mean it mainly jumped out to me because he states that Jim has been really "hostile" to anyone that isn't republican. Which I assume he pulled out of his ass.
>>12286850Jesus, this could very well be the largest nose I've ever seen. It has a width of a typical black person nose with the length of a jew.
>>12286909I assumed he meant Trump, not Jim. If he meant Jim he's a fucking retard.
>>12286884>But fishing for random tweets that have no traction behind them is just outrage porn.This. We need to post more positive tweets about spaceflight.
>>12286919this is actually a great idea. Interest in space is booming so there's a lot of good to be found as well.
>>12285973Would it have worked?
To the anon that wanted to join Space Force, here's what you need to do
>>12286895Here is how NASA could perform a lunar mission before 2024 with neither Starship nor SLS on a budget:>FH launches propulsion module 1 into LEO (actualy just a modified F9 upper stage)>FH launches propulsion module 2 into LEO>FH launches lander module into LEO>FH launches service module into LEO>they all dock >F9 launches modified crew dragon with thicker heatshield >docks to the stack in orbit>stack does TLI with propulsion module 1 and 2>service module is used to enter LLO>lander is deployed>lander lands, boots on the moon, collects some rocks, dust etc. and look if they find interesting stuff to research, someone plants a Zeon flag>lander launches>docks with service module>lander gets jetissoned>service module boosts dragon back to earth>dragon does an aerobraking maneuver in the upper athmosphere before actual re-entry>dragon enters earth athmosphere>dragon splashes down
>>12286943Thanks bro. I have good grades but holy shit I bombed the ASVAB>>12286946Here’s a plan that’ll workPart I: Lander>3 Falcon heavies launch the components of the “National Team” lander to the moon.>These components dock in a NRHO orbit and wait for crewPart II: Orion>Vulcan places Orion into LEO>Falcon Heavy (Expendable) carries a 60 ton ACES stage (ULA built) into LEO.>ACES docks with the Orion and pushes it out to the moon.>Orion inserts into NRHO and rendezvous with the lander.>Mission complete, Orion burns to go home.
NOTAMS>Effective Date(s):>From October 31, 2020 at 2359 UTC>To December 31, 2020 at 2359 UTC>https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_0_0205.html
>>12286961would love to get a look at her raptors dangling under that skirt, hehe
>>12286961>space squids sex.>spacexCoincidence? I think not!
>>12286964>bombed the ASVABDamn nigga, you have 2 INT.
Is Elon getting too cocky?https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/elon-musk-spacex-mars-laws-starlink-b1396023.html
>>12286965>Altitude: From the surface up to and including 1800 feet MSLWhat? I thought they weren't doing a 150m hop?
>>12286980TREASON!NATIONALIZE NOW
>>12286980>independentYIKES
>>12286964>Thanks bro. I have good grades but holy shit I bombed the ASVABThe fuck is wrong with you lol it’s not super hard Study mechanical shit beforehand and you’ll do good
>>12286974>>12286998What's a good score to get/aim for?
>>12287006Depends entirely on the MOS you want
Space Force Foreign Legion when? Service guarantees citizenship
>>12287006i got a 99 but chickened out. It was not hard.
FUCK why is New Glenn such a shit launcher it's literally the most beautiful rocket ever made, just scrub the Below Orbit sign off of it.
SpaceX has colonized Boca Chica
>>12287024New Glenn is badass but it pisses me off that it only puts 45 tons into LEO. You dumbasses should’ve just extended it or something because 5 more tons and it’s a “super heavy lift vehicle”
>>12286269food cooked in 0g
>>12286964>Vulcan>ACES>human rated OrionI was talking about something realistic, not a bunch of paper-rockets.
>>12287027Blue Origin, if they had the capacity to move faster than a particularly unenthusiastic rock, should be building a fully reusable upper stage for New Glenn. Without that it's just a shittier Falcon Heavy. With it, it might fill a niche for something smaller than Starship for routine LEO missions like ISS resupply.
>>12287027I think it has more to do with the fact that the BE-4 engine is an anemic piece of shit lol
>>12287006Anything 70's and above gets you into Air Force, and now, Space Force. Anything below, the rest of the armed forces will happily take you.
>>12287027The Be-4 has a lower ISP and TWR than the Rd-180, a 35 year old Kerosene engine. Add to that a Hydrolox upper stage and it's no surprise that it sucks. Imagine if it had Raptors, holy shit.
Let's be very honest. We don't have an SLS block 2. Advanced boosters may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Starship is real. You've seen it down at Boca Chica. They're building the core stage. They have all the engines done, ready to be put on the test stand at McGregor... I don't see any hardware for a SLS Block 2, except that they're going to take Block 1B and these paper rocket Advanced Boosters and put them together and that becomes the Block 2. It's not that easy in rocketry.
>>122862691. Make moon base2. Make ring around moon3. put astroids near earth4. Mine astroids/ moon5. Send materials to moon to make industry to make mile long ships6. Do this in the name of national security.
>>12286964Why would you go through the trouble of putting a hydrogen upper on Falcon Heavy and not just launch a Bridenstein stack?
Today in history:>1991 – The American Galileo spacecraft makes its closest approach to 951 Gaspra, becoming the first probe to visit an asteroid.>1998 – Space Shuttle Discovery blasts off on STS-95 with 77-year-old John Glenn on board, making him the oldest person to go into space.
Should I become a space lawyer?A prominent law school in space law is fairly close to me.
>>12287086In space, nobody can hear you bang your gavel.
>>12287075Big Jim's Bridenstack
>>12287044>BE-4 is shittier than the RD180Just checked it and it’s true wtf? A 40 year old Kerolox engine literally shits on it. They should’ve just made a Kerolox New Glenn and put like 100 tons to LEO
>>12287044>tfw el cheapo open cycle keralox Merlin 1D vacuum has a better specific impulse than closed cycle methalox BE-4>tfw the cheapest upper stage engine with worse fuel mogs your ISP
>>12287075ICPS does not have the delta V to move Orion from LEO to the Moon. SLS puts ICPS on an eccentric orbit that goes out halfway to GTO.Falcon Heavy 1 launches ICPS, and Falcon Heavy 2 launches Orion.
>>12287101I mean by the time you human rate all of that, Starship will be ready lmao. Either way I'm pretty sure everyone realizes that every rocket in Elon's arsenal can BTFO SLS. Even a god damn F9 could probably find a way to get Orion to the Moon if used correctly and if we were willing to use an orbital assembly tug
>>12287090>WELCOME TO>SPACE JAIL
Is Isaac Arthur the best person to watch about futurist space stuff
>>12287111Isaac Awthuw
>>12286939>Hydrolox core stage with 7 hydrolox booster IMAGINE THE EFFICIENCY
>>12287101It would be interesting to calculate if FH in fully or at least core expendable mode could yeet Orion+ICPS into an orbit with sufficiently high apoabsis.Keep in mind that FH still has some unused potential that could be unlocked by not starting the center core at launch or just starting 3 out of 9 engines at launch.
>>12287131Yeah wtf is that whole second half just one giant fairing? That's pretty god damn based
space cruise ships when
>>12287131Hydromeme isn't efficient unless you're already in orbit, we've been over this. Stacking boosters doesn't help.
>>12287133Or strap two more boosters on the side so you have 4 boosters total. You could yeet orion into LEO and rendezvous with a dragon (I imagine a four booster expendable FH would never ever ever get a human rating lmao)
>>12287137In fact it actually makes it worse, because the whole reason hydrolox cores need boosters is the shit TWR of hydrogen. Which makes "hydrogen boosters" an oxymoron.
Wont the sls still be inherently unsafe because of its use of solid fuel boosters?
>>12287148yes.
>>12285977shut up, Haruhi
>>12287145No, the problem is they compensate for shitty mass ratios by building huge ass tanks, hydrogen engines have a lot of thrust and hydrolox is less than half as dense as kerolox.
>>12287148Solid boosters aren’t inherently unsafe, but the ones on SLS can melt holes in parachutes
>>12287148I mean in actuality SRB's aren't inherently UNsafe. If used correctly that is. If you are within safety parameters (i.e. you know it won't shake your vehicle to death like the Ares I-X) then you are pretty good to go. Shuttle is just a bad example because a) they were mounted on the side so you couldn't get the fuck away if they blew up, and b) Challenger launched while outside of the safety parameters of the SRB's
>>12287148SRB's are safer than liquid fuel engines until the point you have to shut them down mid burn.
>>12287141The main issue of FH is that the upper stage is SERIOUSLY undersized.Regular FH allready pushes some 6 G at maxQ, so simply not starting the center core engines untill the side boosters have burned out would be possible.Not only does it require no physical changes, Merlin 1D has been proven timr and time again to ignite just fine in vacuum.This would turn FH from a 2,5 ish stage rocket into a real 3 stage rocket and solve the issue with overly high G-forces as well as the undersized upper stage.Just using two more side boosters wouldn't be structuraly sound and probably exceed 10G at maxQ.
>>12287162Wasn't Columbia destroyed because the SRBs shook the foam off
>>12287137yep
>>12287096you can't compare vacuum and sea level engines like that
>>12287072Using 1cm thick graphene you could put a 10km wide mini-ringworld around the Moon at 100km above the surface with 0.0156 rotations per minute to achieve 1g rotating at almost exactly 6km/s and it would only take 2,413 Starships worth of pure graphene to do it, costing $4.8 billion for launches of Starship alone at current best estimates with an additional $24.1 billion for the graphene alone, bringing our total for building a Lunar mini-ringworld to around 1.5x the current cost of SLS, and only about 3/4ths of the expected total cost of SLS.
>>12287169I believe something fell off and knocked the foam but I wouldn't be surprised if it could be traced back to shaking from the SRB. Look I'm not a huge fan of SRBs but the shuttle definitely used them incorrectly. Whoever thought it was a good idea to ignore the dolphin sex launcher and instead sandwich your vehicle between two unstoppable exploding pencils was a moron with a death wish
>>12287157>hydrogen engines have a lot of thrustHydrogen engines have wonderful efficiency but mediocre thrust, because of propellant density. Consider for any unit of mass through the engine, the corresponding volume of propellant is fed through the pumps. The same size turbopump can move much more mass of kerosene or methane than it can of hydrogen, so the same size engine will produce more thrust.
>>12287075BRIDENSTINESTINE STINE STINE
>>12287094>They should've just made a Kerolox New GlennI don't think the problem is the fuel they chose, it's just that 1. those salty soviets had a lot of experience under their belt and probably could've designed rings around BO's team and 2. they were too prissy to properly test the damn things, drastically extending the dev cycle when they could've had it finalized and been making improvements by now.
>>12287111cant stand him
>>12287177Additionally: At 115,422 square kilometers total usable area that would make it exactly the 100th largest nation on Earth if it were both a nation and on Earth, right under Eritrea and right above Benin. Alternatively, it would become the 35th largest state in the United States, right under Ohio and right above Virginia
>>12285977just about had it with you posting this cringe anime shit, grow up
>>12287232anime isn't cringe, SLS is cringe
>>12287177what would worry me is that a failure anywhere would spell doom for the entire thing
>>12287177>>12287231The Ringworld is unstable.
>>12287241>>12287245How so? Legit dumb question.
>>12287250moon orbits are notoriously unstable, anything left there even in higher orbits decays very rapidly, as low as 100km kiss your world goodbye
>>12287254>Through a study of many lunar orbiting satellites, scientists have discovered that most low lunar orbits (LLO) are unstable.[3] Four frozen lunar orbits have been identified at 27°, 50°, 76°, and 86° inclination. NASA expounded on this in 2006:>[There are] a number of 'frozen orbits' where a spacecraft can stay in a low lunar orbit indefinitely. They occur at four inclinations: 27°, 50°, 76°, and 86°"—the last one being nearly over the lunar poles.
>>12287238SLS is an American powerhouse and brings jobs and wealth across our nation. Anime is pussified coomer bait spawned from a neutered zipperheads. Go cut your nuts off, scum
>>12287259Now let's see what the tidal forces are gonna look like across that thing's surface
>>12287245Does a ring even count as being in orbit? Its center of mass is inside the moon and it rotates at way over the orbital speed
>>12287177>3cm thick grapheneAnd we can power it with cold fusion.
>>12287276*ether
>>12287177I was thinking a mass driver with a track around the moon, but that sounds cheap and cooler
>>12287284>entire ringworld is run by a single power over ethernet cable strung from Earth
>>12287271Ask MIT, they lambasted Larry Niven about it when he did a presentation there.
>invest $100 in spaceX or whatever is the first company to mine asteroids>20,000 years later Musk Industries owns all known space>Descendants are part of E.L.O.N. the holders of Musk stock.>One Musk stock is worth a habitable solar system
>>12287293Put starlink out of fucking business
>>12287294hahaha based ball MITts
>>12287271> Its center of mass is inside the moon and it rotates at way over the orbital speedso does it crash into the moon or fling itself away
>>12287301>it's overvalued>solar systems are a bubble
>>12287294shitty concepts by frauds artists who arent actual real thing makers are actually useless pipedream fantasies, who would have thought
>>12287326Fuckin' O-bama crashin' my stellar neighborhood market again GAH!
>>12287329and this is why i can't fucking stand isaac arthur
>>12287339wait, are you saying dyson swarms are a lie?
>>12287344The Dyson swarm is real. You've seen it down at Michoud.
>>12287276A little graphene goes a long way, an entire centimeter is thick as fuck.>>12287286I'm pretty sure what equates to a really big maglev train gun is going to be significantly less expensive than what we've got going on here.>>12287294>>12287329What's actually wrong with a ringworld? It's not really much different from any other rotating habitat, just different proportions.
>>12287322If it was perfectly rigid I think it would align its center of mass with the moon, but it's not and moreover there are mass anomalies below the surface (which are the reason for unstable orbits), on the other hand its fast rotation should make it try to keep a round shape so long the mass distribution around the ring is even, so it might be perfectly stable, or enter some fancy resonance mode, or simply try to fold itself in half and crash into the surface tl;dr fuck if I know
>>12287086I say do it, it's a cool title and the space industry shows no signs of slowing
>>12287111I wouldn't use him as a substitute for a textbook, but in terms of edutainment you could do a lot worse
>>12287368The Dyson swarm is real. You've seen it up in space. All the planets are there, ready to be dismantled and put around the sun.
>>12286850>DurhamNH/CambridgeMA/WakandaChar, spin up the O'Neill cylinders.
>>12287379>What's actually wrong with a ringworld?Second paragraph.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworld#Errors
>>12287379>What's actually wrong with a ringworld?nothing, its a great dream like unicorns. you'll never see either of them irl tough
>>12287410based realist
>>12286850No, she's just jealous that others are able to go to space and not just hand picked government workers.
>>12287418
>>12287406So just don't make it a perfectly rigid structure?>>12287410Don't be so sure. If your issue with ringworlds is their absurd scale, thus making them well outside the scope of any living humans, then you're partially right, but we are closer to solving aging than you might think.
>>12287260>brings jobs and wealth across our nationThat's what the rocket is, a jobs program.
>>12287211I can't stand you.
>>12287421yes, everything in life is political. As an actual communism i understand that most space travel today (mostly spacex) is a consequence of capitalism. Im against capitalism, im for both science fiction as an art and actual space travel as a dicipline which are different stuff. It's important to keep those apart and understand that supporting one thing isnt the same as supporting all.The problem isnt that "everything is political" the problem is that every discussion quickly turns to cringe.
>>12287425>but we are closer to solving aging than you might think.I think it will be solved in 500-1000 years and thats wildly optimistic.yes, we got screwed over were scientific enough to understand its possible but not scientific enough to get there. life just sucks like that some times
>>12287418>the wealthy want to flee to space and thats bad>the wealthy want us to flee to space and thats badSo these schmucks want everyone to stay on Earth?
>>12287431Shut up commie
>>12287443Communism is about dragging everyone to the bottom
>>12287425>perfectly rigid structure?Plus place it low enough that orbial speed give you one gee.
>>12287111if you want shitty science fiction watch star trekif you want witty science fiction read arthur c clarkeif you want actual science knowledge read a science textbookif you want to know none of the above while also having a ridiculous sense of smugness and suggesting that youre somehow a genius because you were in the military and have a degree from a shitty college like so many losers while its obvious that youre just a fat nerd who got bullied to death over his speech impediment and has the shittiest sci fi books in the background while he just barely repeats wikipedia and has his wife who obviously married him for his youtube money appear and let people know when you go to your honey moon because its so freaking obvious that its the first time that a women talks to you for something other than making fun (and that includes his mother) ...then yessee isaac videos
>>12287443If the lefties can't afford a ticket to space then they don't want anyone else to be able to go to space.
>>12287430Get that retard impediment checked out, buddy
>>12287446there's no need to be rude, we'll solve it one day on the battlefield, until then there's no need not to respect each other
>>12287431Stop being a communist.>>12287421Astronauts are mostly hotshots in the airforce, right? Yet somehow I doubt they were running many articles about how the space program is soo politicized and big meanie jingoism is keeping the poor huddled masses off of the ISS.
>>12287447Cringe. They should focus on uplifting everyone.
>>12287434we're solving it this century. it's not as hard as people make it seem
>>12287459This movie sums up their thought process.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elysium_(film)If it been up to these lefties airline travel would had been killed off when the Ford Tri Motor was commonly used.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Trimotor
>>12287454to be fair most right wingers i know cant affoard it either. I dont know where the left=poor right=wealthy comes from.There's loads of sons of wealthy bankers who like to carry around che guevara wallets and play the revolutionary, and there's loads of poor people who cant affoard to fix their pants but like to defend the rich to feel like they belong to society. Its kinda random really
>>12287452i read wh40k books
>>12287462Not everyone can be or wants to be uplifted, and those in power to do so will inevitably abuse it. China euphemistically describes it's concentration camps as "vocational training to make better citizens". This has always been one of the critical failings of communism.
>>12287452There's an anon here that so eloquently puts my thoughts into words. Thank you
>>12287457Shut up commie.
>>12287467>If it been up to these lefties airline travel would had been killed off when the Ford Tri Motor was commonly used.sounds like luddites or anprims.to be fair actual communists won the manned space race, the space race, the moon race and the venus race, so i think not all communists are inherently against space travel.
>>12287463Curing aging would be revolutionary for families & those who're stuck in dying industries such as coal mining.For families a women can focus exclusively on having children in their 20s, then once the kids move out the wife can completely devote herself to a career.I don't think we would forever live but coal miners in their 50s could very likely get another 50-100 years of career out their bodies, so all of the old men would go back to college to become engineers.
>>12287481>the Soviet Union>actual communists
>>12287470Yeah but the right wingers aren't petty little fucks who would kill off private industry to make space exclusively a government domain.>>12287477The Muslim camps exist because the Saudis were building Muslim education centers to radicalize the population.
>>12287481Nah, it's a pure jealousy thing. Look at how they mention "the rich".
>>12287485>For families a women can focus exclusively on having children in their 20s, then once the kids move out the wife can completely devote herself to a career.We have no idea what would happen with inmortality, everything we do is tied up to the fact that we die, everything from the way we speak work every institution every activity, all of it is based omn the fact that we die. If you can truly have inmortality thats more or less massive it will change everything forever in ways that are fundamentally unknowable>>12287489right wingers can be petty fucks too. they can be anti science and literal flat earthers. Keep in mind that for many people elon musk isnt an ancap leader but rather another silicon valley liberal asshole
>>12287495t. joe rogan
>>12287434https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRt7LjqJ45k>>12287448Not possible, not around Earth, at least.>>12287477That's why we only uplift animals. They can't make choices about whether or not they want something so complex until they already have it and it's far too late.
>>12287495Yeah but things WILL change if he takes us to the Moon & Mars. Once he deliver results the right wing will mostly shut up.The biggest issue is that the liberal fuck wits who would rather have the space program be a big pile of steaming ash then to allow those who aren't handpicked by NASA to go into space.It's notoriously difficult to become an astronaut, Musk would make it a matter of writing a check book.This Iranian woman would go to mars and the Moon.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anousheh_Ansari
>>12287238Reminder that manime and shounen is the standard going into space. Only those with CHAD tier musculature will evolve in space.
>>12287495biggest change is going to be ownership.The 1% are going to beef up their security to prevent their own kids from killing them to inherit
>>12287492This. Us righties at least have more honed in hatred and blame the rich jews. Those guys actually have connections, like faking the holobunga or starting degeneracy like free internet pornography (Al Goldstein).
>>12287515Free internet pornography is the inescapable result of free market economics applying to the internet. A Jewish guy was the first one to do it, but any society given internet would develop free mass pornography. Women are sluts and men are horny, every device has a camera.
>>12287111i like isaacturn on captions though
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY WAITING FOR? STATIC FIRE THIS FUCKER ALREADY
>>12287530Next closure is tomorrow
>>12287507>Once he deliver results the right wing will mostly shut up.sure, like antivaxers, right?
>>12287111Basically >>12287400He give you complex analysis you'd find in 20 different sources and ideas you sometime never found anywhere, but the price is that you have to listen to him.
>>12287526I don't like that the rockpussy looks like a normal one. If I'm fucking a rock, there better be a weirder hole.
>>12287452>if you want to know none of the above while also having a ridiculous sense of smugness and suggesting that youre somehow a genius because you were in the military and have a degree from a shitty college like so many losers while its obvious that youre just a fat nerd who got bullied to death over his speech impediment and has the shittiest sci fi books in the background while he just barely repeats wikipedia and has his wife who obviously married him for his youtube money appear and let people know when you go to your honey moon because its so freaking obvious that its the first time that a women talks to you for something other than making fun (and that includes his mother) ...>then yesyoure not half the man isaac is
Threadly reminder that Mars is a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activitiesStarlink Terms of Service:9. Governing Law.For Services provided to, on, or in orbit around the planet Earth or the Moon, these Terms and any disputes between us arising out of or related to these Terms, including disputes regarding arbitrability (“Disputes”) will be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of California in the United States. For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other colonization spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities. Accordingly, Disputes will be settled through self-governing principles, established in good faith, at the time of Martian settlement.
>>12287431>As an actual communismYour bacteria have formed workers councils?
>>12287522Things could've been good under better management.
>>12287562I’m pretty sure it’s supposed to be an eye... right?
>>12287598
Rate my SSTO
>>12287101>SLS puts ICPS on an eccentric orbit that goes out halfway to GTOThe entire orange tank goes that far out?
>>12287607orange tank big
>>12287606meh id fuck it
>>12287595The free market has decided infinite free porn is profitable. Do not question the wisdom of The Hand.
>>12287606Now try making one in Realism Overhaul. It's really not challenging in stock. Very very difficult in RO.
>>12287606Payload includes:>Deep Space Communications>Full science suite>ISRU
>>12287488>the "it wasn't real communism" fallacy but used in the opposite way
>>12287607Imagine how much dV is wasted pushing around that much insulation and meticulously hand-engraved isogrid. Hydrogen really is a fuel, and SLS's core would almost make more sense as the second stage of a big kerosene booster like Saturn.
>>12287622I'm using Real Solar System with 3.5x stock scale
>>12287623Are you using the mk3 parts expansion?
>>12287631I'm using lots of mods including Community Tech Tree, RSS, Real Exoplanets, Tweak Scale
>>12287111I‘m a brainlet who mostly feasts on youtube for information. But I found Arthur pretty useless. He just skips all the interesting questions of practicality and just talks about pie in the sky concepts that are tens of thousands of years of constant societal advancements away.Newsflash: With infinite energy, infinite resources, infinite labor, and infinite time you can do fucking anything. Fucking amazing. Never figured that.
>>12287431Fuck off dumb communist retardhttps://mises.org/library/karl-marx-religious-eschatologist
>>12287642Yeah agreed.>Puhawps given enough enugy and weesowaces, footuh humans wiww be abwe to cowonize the gas pwanetsLike yeah okay? I don’t understand why so many people talk highly of him here.
>>12287654>Like yeah okay? I don’t understand why so many people talk highly of him here.Usually people here hate on him or at least tolerate him. There's never much in the way of actual gushing
>>12287185But Hydrolox has much higher exhaust velocity.>>12287339Yeah sci-fi is ok, great even, but a lot of his content is just way out there.>>12287177Just build a rotating space station and avoid the headaches.
>>12287431The only good commie is a mulched commie.
Did the SLS survive the hurricane?
>>12287659I would mostly describe it as "tepid" but there was one entertaining thread where a guy from his community came spouting all of their talking points but clearly hadn't planned for getting actual rebuttals.>>12287642People indulged his magic boner too much. He used to talk about slightly more practical/tangible stuff as well but now it's pretty much just what you described. I consider myself optimistic about the future and technology but I don't just find replacing Titan with thermally maxed computation running quadrillions of simulated intelligences impractical, it's soulless.
>>12287630Huh, that really didn't look like it had the mass fraction to SSTO in real scale. What magic are you using? Drop tanks? Clipping?
>>12287642This. I was curious about how helium 3 can be "mined" from gas giants, found his video on it, and he quickly jumps to building orbital rings with a mass greater than the Earth to scoop up the material from the planets. Like, cool, but what about the intermediate steps?
>>12287659Yeah also I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to make fun of his speech impediment. Just speaking in the vernacular. It's his subjects I find uninteresting. Scott Manley is, in my opinion, the best space youtuber out there.
>>12287690Nuclear Ramjets
>>12287728>Project Pluto to orbitThat's horrifying and also arousing
>>12287627So let me get this straight. The fucking orange tank and its engines achieves orbit, even pushes further out than that.Then they have this perfectly working but empty rocket sitting in its entirety in orbit and the next step in their master plan is deorbiting this rocket with no survivors?Please tell me I got that wrong.
>>12287507If he builds or repairs Starships on Mars, then ITAR applies. The US government won't let foreigners on that boat.
>>12287732It works, but I can't leave LEO which is annoying. If I could get to the moon I'd be able to ISRU to anywhere else in the solar system.
>>12287737Wait... there's no way that's true. But come to think of it there isn't anything past the orange tank except the adapter and the ICPS so it HAS to get the orange tank to orbit...... WHAT THE FUCK
>>12286539>eat cereal>milk goes into combustion chamber>no milk on cereal>thruster ruinedwho thought this was a good idea bros?
>>12287746That's why you get KSPI, use the Halberds to take off and get to altitude than slam LANTRs or whatever. You're going to need to make your own configs though.
>>12287737>>12287750>tfw no high orbit orange tank wet workshop
>>12287737Yes. They could choose to leave the RS-25s in a graveyard orbit for future recovery and actively choose not to.
>>12287761Yeah I might give that a try, I'm sure Ive got something more exotic with higher ISP
>>12287770Congress might be aiming to destroy American spaceflight history.
>>12287770God fucking dammit I hope Artemis I has a clock problem and the orange tank separates and immediately fires again and rams into Orion and destroys the whole mess
>>12287780Hubble might be intentionally deorbited before Starship is trusted to go get it.
>>12287780That's the price one pays for using Legacy Hardware™
>>12287770>RS25s in a graveyard orbit>worth recoveringkek no, there are a lot of problems with SLS but this is not one of them
>>12287774Oh you could definitely use the z-pinch engines and pull of a Pluto direct but where's the fun in that. If you like spaceplanes get OPT or B9 too, B9 has RO configs for the sabre engines if you like a more realistic jet experience.
We should paraterraform Mars.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1321960103814324234>Politico mentions Oklahoma Rep. Kendra Horn as a possible NASA administrator if Biden wins. >If you remember, Horn was the architect behind HR 5666, a pro-Boeing bill that basically sought to convert the Human Landing System contract from fixed-price to cost-plus, and said SLS should be used for lunar lander missions.BOW DOWN TO YOUR QUEEN, /sfg/!
>>12287789Just for the historical value of the Shuttle engines. New production RS-25s would be worth scrap value. Starship could totally recover them.
>>12287793She's the female equivalent of Shelby. Whats with Oklahoma running NASA?
I love the Artemis program because it inspired my great great granddaughter to study STEM
>>12287793>pro-Boeing>sought to convert the Human Landing System contract from fixed-price to cost-plus>said SLS should be used for lunar lander missions.
>>12287804How can you expect people who've never seen an ocean to understand space?
>>12287808At least she appears to advocate for human spaceflight sometimes
>>12287788Yeah, don't want to make it too easy. Just want to be able to hop between my Moon and Mars bases.
>>12287814But at what cost anon
>>12287793
>>12287818Your honor, all my fine clients from /sfg/ said they would do it IN MINECRAFT
The future administration of NASA doesn't really matter because Starship will have lowered commercial launch costs by orders of magnitude, and they'll just look stupid flying SLS. Nobody likes to look stupid. Artemis 1 through 4 will fly on it, and Europa Clipper (in 2026 lmao) and then it'll be canned.
>>12287816Billions to the multiple contractors involved
>>12287822Still it would be nice if the head of the worlds leading agency in spaceflight matters wasn't a horrific shill for oldspace
>>12287816at plus cost
>biden to re-focus nasa on climate change>to elect kendra horn as nasa administratorits worse than everyone imagined
>>12287815You really need refueling for that if you mean to do it in a single stage. Even with the top end NTR's you're not gonna have any proper payload without refueling. Also, check out the full scale real solar system, just feels better imho.
>>12287835It's closer to a coin flip than the 95% or whatever for Biden that the media spews. Still bad if we get tails.
>>12287794Starship submarine? How fast would it go underwater?
>>12287822I used to think US stagnation was due to Boeing/commercial contractors, but now the picture I'm getting is garbage human beings that play politics.
>>12287840Boing has all of those people on payroll, there is no distinction
>>12287835yep voting trumphe may be a comical asshole but at least he wants speedy spaceflight development
>>12287770>>12287789I don‘t care about historical value or whatever. But the fact that this system leaves a huge fucking hydrolox rocket with (partially?) vacuum optimized engines floating around in orbit with the main problem with it being that it‘s out of fuel at that point. And they saw this and the only thing that came to their minds was "Yeah we need to deorbit this so it‘s not space debris."It just tells me (yet again) that nobody on that project has had any vision at all. I know the engines need refurbishment after a flight. I know there‘s issues with lighting them. I know there‘d be issues with propellant transfer and storage. You’d have to reengineer a lot of stuff, sure. But to think the system gets that far along the way and then just seizes to be useful as a rocket, because it never occurred to them that they might be able to use it for more than just one launch...It kind of boggles my mind.
>>12287844Stagnation is not just on aerospace, its also in navy, airforce, army, cyberspace, etc. Darpa used to be the forefront of technology, now they're asking for shitty siliconvalley startsups help. Stagnation is a political disease across the entire chain of politics.
>>12287793oh god this is a nightmare
>>12287848It's the only way, otherwise we can put human spaceflight back in the box for another decade and wait some more.
>>12287793AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>inb4 B*rger reiterates that his "reliable insider source" says Trump is going to ditch Bridenstine after the election
>>12287853Dude they can't make the fucking rocket using existing hardware and you want them to actually put in an effort to improve things? Lmfuckingao it's not gonna happen.
>>12287863kek I'm 99% sure he made that shit up
>>12287854Darpa had some hand in almost everything going right in the US today. In a just world their programs and funding would only be increasing, but supporting fledgling industries doesn't get you those revolving door connections.
>>12287863>Punished Jim becomes lobbyist for SpaceX and later runs the Martian based exploration of the belt
>>12287642Fellow brainlet here, I like him for two reasons. First, he has a solid library of these concepts that I haven't seen before. I have no idea where I would even find this shit in a relatively easy to digest format. Second, I can listen to his wambling on my commute.I just hope asteroid mining is possible in our lifetime.
>>12287606Spare Parts/10
>>12287872Yeah, I also thought I was done getting exasperated at SLS. I hope that was the last of it this time after all.Well maybe Europa Clipper will still get me worked up on occasion.
>>12287606>rateI'm gonna turn that T into a R once I get home
>>12287793The most impressive thing about SLS is that it’s cant be cancelled.
>>12287891Wanna bet?
>>12287892What can possibly kill it? It’s got too many backers from both parties.
>>12287895astronaut casualties. which are very likely since its bound to get rushed sooner or later.
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1321970211885637632?s=19
>>12287793Imagine if this CUNT replaces big jimAbsolutely apocalyptic
How can we convince a russian communist to write our mars anthem for us? They make the best music
>>12287904It's literally fucking nothing.
>>12287904The replies in this thread are based. One guy even hinted at going to vote for trump just to keep jim in lmao
>>12287904called it >>12287863
>>12287895Cost plus. That's what killed its predecessors. Those are "wait and see until the heat death of the universe" kind of programs. They tend to last until there's a change in whoever holds the White House. Some times they last longer, but rarely.Should there be a change in a couple of days, don't be surprise if Artemis suddenly drops the current flags and footprints mission altogether and goes for the next "milestone" which is a vague "crewed swingby of Mars, sometime in the 2030s". A safe date, where it can be safely killed of somewhere between now and then after it has gradually been gutted, then a couple of committees been put down to claim what a waste of tax dollars it is since it's no longer actually getting anywhere, while masterfully dodging the fact it's not going anywhere because you've been gradually gutting it.This is partisan politics and cost plus and why we've been fucking around in LEO since 1972.
>>12287906Karajan symphony no. 9 recording. Or Furtwängler.
>>12287906The soviet anthem is fucking dank. Also does anyone else remember that old live action war thunder trailer? I wish I knew the translation for the lyricshttps://youtu.be/VTzHj-R9McA
>>12287906https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isic2Z2e2xs
https://twitter.com/carolynporco/status/1321823514375061505>This must be stopped nowThis is not some random person. These people have immense political and social power.
Was there such a thing as a "space enthusiast" back in the 60's? I can't imagine someone following the development of Saturn or N1. I mean, no internet. Only newspaper...Anyways if you think SLS is bad imagine how infuriating it would be to be a soviet citizen and you are trying to get to the moon and the N1 keeps exploding. And then they fucking fire the main guy in charge of it. That's gotta be worse than anything SLS could pull off
What do we think of the new Space Force ad?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x619VW65l1Y
>>12287904Sounds like a load of horseshit to me.
>>12287937There's been space enthusiasm since China invented fireworks lmao People are crazy and have an instinct to be attached to explosives
>>12287934>This must be stopped nowIt's too late to stop it
>>12287887>Rare my SSTO
>>12287934Literally who?
>>12287946Holy shit this man has taken the redpill
>>12287948fuck me I meant P
>>12287911Put it all on Elon baby
>>12287937You had magazines like Aviation Week you could follow everything from, and the space program just got a lot of coverage on tv in general, way more than any media coverage it gets today.I'm not sure any normal citizens in the USSR knew what the N1 was until the late 80s.
>>12287919Hurry up, hurry up towards me,If I am far, if I've got trouble,If I am – in a real nightmare,If the shadow of misfortune is at my window.Hurry up, when they upset me one day.Hurry up, when I need a friend.Hurry up, when I'm sad in silence,Hurry up, hurry up!Don't hurry up, don't hurry up, whenWhen we are together and trouble is far.The leaves and water will say ''yes'',The stars and fires, and the trains with them.Don't hurry up, when my eyes are in yours,Don't hurry up, when you mustn't hurry up.Don't hurry up, when the whole world is in silence.Don't hurry up, don't hurry up!Don't hurry up!Tы cпeши, ты cпeши кo мнe,Ecли я вдaли, ecли тpyднo мнe,Ecли я – cлoвнo в cтpaшнoм cнe,Ecли тeнь бeды в мoём oкнe.Tы cпeши, кoгдa oбидят вдpyг.Tы cпeши, кoгдa мнe нyжeн дpyг.Tы cпeши, кoгдa гpyщy в тиши,Tы cпeши, ты cпeши!He cпeши, нe cпeши, кoгдaMы c тoбoй вдвoём и вдaли бeдa.Cкaжyт "дa" лиcтья и вoдa,Звёзды и oгни, и пoeздa.He cпeши, кoгдa глaзa в глaзa,He cпeши, кoгдa cпeшить нeльзя.He cпeши, кoгдa вecь миp в тиши.He cпeши, нe cпeши!He cпeши!"Granted it's not the best but hereya go
>>12287934>Outposts are likely for scientific purposes, as with Antarctica.This shit makes me apoplectic. Get absolutely fucked. This shit is exactly why Mars cannot be subject to (((International Law))), these fuckers every human pinned to this rock to die with them.
>>12287938>no gundamsit's shit
>>12287959>and the space program just got a lot of coverage on tv in general, way more than any media coverage it gets today.Never forget how NASA fucked up their one opportunity to get national enthusiasm on tv>instructed the astronauts to be as mundane as possible when on the air>didn't think of broadcasting the first lunar landing until the last minute leading to its garbage qualityIt's like they wanted spaceflight to be perceived as dull. Also bonus points for>Alan Bean accidentally fucking up the first high quality color camera broadcast at the start of Apollo 12 moonwalk
>>12287961Thanks Ivan>>12287962Yeah it boils my blood. I would shrug it off but the checkmark is a punch in the gut because normies see this and assume they should ban spacex from going to mars at all costs>>12287911Artemis is too far in to suddenly stop its goal of a moon landing. Biden can't kill it.
>>12287938Why is there an SLS in a Space Force ad?The rest is just pure scifi-in-reality cooooming
>>12287972>too far inAhahahahahaha oh you naive motherfucker.
>>12287934I'm too fucking tired to even try to think about a rebuttal.
>>12287969Apollo 12 was the most based Apollo crew to fly ever, aside from Apollo 8
>>12287972My not so bold prediction about Artemis is that Starship will begin lunar missions independently out of necessity due to delays
>>12287979She's just confusing her own totalitarian anti-natalism with reality.
>>12287987>Anti-NatalismCan someone explain this to me? I legit don’t understand why anyone would want the death of the human race.
>>12287990They're subhuman, don't try to understand them.
>>12287990I think it's a combination of turn-of-the-millennium nihilism and extreme environmentalism.
>>12287990You have to imagine being so miserable, indoctrinated, and cynical that you see the problems with the world caused by the population itself rather than the powers that be
>>12287990>"omg anon, humans are just the worst, don't you get it? Ugh I just GET IT more than you"
>>12288003>UGH Humans should just die!!!!!!>Oh no George Floyd!!!!!! :(
>>12287854I kinda hope that China shakes things up enough to give the entire system a kick in the ass.
>>12287990Wait I unironically want the human race to die. Feel free to ask me anything. Do I want a Mars mission? Yes because it is fucking cool. But I don't care about "muh species must spread out and survive". If every human went extinct nothing of value would be lost
>>12287990Genetics are cool because they're able to tell you if they're not worth passing on. These people are mutants and anti-natalism is pure projection>>12288012So kill yourself
>>12288012it would be pretty fucking stupid if sentience is the rarest thing in the universe and it nukes itself
>>12288012I don't need to ask you anything, I already know you're a retard.
>>12288012Get a load of this loser
>>12287904>lib rumorsso nothing. That's a relief. They're so hysterical about orange dude that you can't trust anything trump-related coming from establishment libs as factual.>>12287934it's fucking unreal how these """progressives""" have become such status-quo establishment cocksuckers. As if "international law" is flawless and wasn't created by people with extreme problems hailing from countries with bloody and even evil histories.Though on the plus side these people are too pampered to actually go to Mars so all they can do is bitch for now. It's when Mars becomes more accessible and easy that the cancer spreads.>>12287997It's an insane reversal of their past positions. Bunch of rich, affluent people punching down on the rubes now.
>>12288012Read 12 Rules for life. It’s a meme for people who have their shit together, but very effectively deconstructs anti humanist viewpoints such as this.
>>12287746build another one that delivers fuel and Refuel in orbit.
possible static fire early tomorrow morning
>>12288041Legit what CAN SpaceX do on mars that’s illegal. Make meth? Creation of Nova South Africa? Who knows
>>12288050host pirate bay without repercussions
>>12288050human neuralink experimentation
>>12288050>Creation of Nova South Africa?Nova Rhodesia would be better
I know that Starship's top-half is reinforced, but what about its bottom? I think I read somewhere that it's partially a balloon tank? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?>>12288050They could do the unthinkable: create a society that doesn't revolve about my personal worldviews. The horror.
>>12288041Yes, let's bind ourselves to UN laws, where Saudi Arabia and China are the fucking Human Rights Council.And these people wonder why we want off this rock yesterday? Baffling doesn't even begin to describe it.
>>12288062>I think I read somewhere that it's partially a balloon tank? What the fuck is that supposed to mean?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imkdz63agHYThe tank uses the pressure of the fluid inside to provide rigidity. It's like how an unopened soda bottle is rigid, but its easy to squeeze when opened.
>>12288062Old school balloon tanks required positive internal pressure to stay keep its shape. They're not balloon tanks, but they're so thin that they crumple a bit when not pressurized. They're still structurally sound. Balloon tanks as found on the original Atlas were anything but structurally sound when not pressed.
>>12288062Balloon tank would mean it can't support its on weight without internal counterpressure, SS doesn't have a balloon tank at all
>>12287990I'm an anti-natalist in that I don't want to be personally responsible for inflicting the phenomenon of being on any new minds. I also think that's a choice for everyone to make on their own, and I recognize the need for more working bodies, though it's a shame that they need to be conscious.
>>12287934She's pretty ignorant on the subject of spaceflight lmao, she's just a retarded nihilist
>>12288081They're all fucking ignorant.
>>12288081>multi-generational colonies will never happenOk Terran.
>>12288079You're a coward who's weak minded and ashamed of himself. You have my full support to take yourself out of the gene pool
>>12288065> I want something different from the human suffering cornucopia that is earth >ARROGANT. EVILridiculous. The only way I can parse her response is that she's projecting internal delusions onto the statement. Wouldn't be a surprise, "assume the best" is fucking dead in those circles. It's no different from this shitty church I went to as a kid where non-believers were thought to be varying degrees of evil>>12288081>international laws much hold across the entire universeshe's like a proto earth supremacist lmao. Not to mention an American imperialist.
>>12288087>You're a coward who's weak minded and ashamed of himselfI'm sure your justification for that would be funny, explain
>>12288088Don't fucking dare to dream, get the fuck back in your crab bucket.
>>12288081Nothing globalists hate more than the decentralization of power and self-determination of opposing factions. Makes perfect sense that their desire for domination would apply even more strongly to those who manage to leave the planet
y earf b flat nasa buncha lien whyte devils black women made nasa go to da moon n shietwhy dey no black astronatswhy dey be spendin millions on moon shiet when my kidz dun got laptops dat can play games n shiet space jus racis n shiet baka
For anti-kinetic missile space point defense; would smaller hypervelocity projectiles be preferred to reduce intercept time, or larger projectiles with an explosive payload to guarantee that the kinetic missiles are turned into less harmful shrapnel?pic related
>>12287934>https://twitter.com/carolynporco/status/1250621505211269120>I challenge Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos & others to not abandon our fragile, life-giving, endangered planet but, instead, show it a mother's unconditional love & lead the way in solving our biggest problems. FUCK URF
>>12288094 I don't want to be personally responsible for inflicting the phenomenon of being on any new minds.Being alive is the greatest gift you could ask for. The probability of you specifically existing is 1 in 400 trillion. To willingly wish and for any potential people to not have that gift implies an incredible level of self loathing, narcissism and misery.
>>12288057HELL FUCKIN YEAH
>>12288104lazers are not the general superweapons they're sometimes supposed to be but for point defence they make the most sense
>>12288106It's always people who work with unmanned probes and rovers, isn't it?
>>12288110Meant to greentext the "I don't want to be personally responsible for inflicting the phenomenon of being on any new minds."
>>12288106What the fuck is better stewardship of this planet than spreading the gift of life? Do these people seriously value the actual, literal, rock that will one day be subsumed in solar hellfire more than the actual life on it?
>>12288106Musk literally fucking is???? He's cutting the cost of EV batteries by 50% and trying to lay the groundwork for making enough cheap lithium batteries to enable global EV adoption and grid power storage for renewables. Why are these liberal fucks so goddamn retarded?
>>12288106A bunch of things I’ve noticed >Why do they refer to earth as “Mother Earth” so much? It’s like they have a pseudo-religion>She is a broken record wtf. People point out that Starlink is good for everyone and she just says “It could be better”>The most irritating people are legitimately redditors>There are a lot of based people on the comments
>>12288118they fear space colonization because people would be out of their control
>>12288118They would be out of the job if the industry realizes how much more work people can do than robots in space.
>>12288071>that video is pretty embarrassing>>12288075>>12288077>SS doesn't have a balloon tank at allYes, this is what I was confused about. It's obviously not falling apart just sitting there. But in diagrams I've seen it doesn't seem to have much reinforcement in its lower half, which had me questioning how it's supposed to sit their unfueled and with full cargo. I guess the steel is simply thick enough to be structurally sound?
>>12287606sexy
>>12288110>an incredible level of narcissismExactly what's needed to bring a new life into a world that is rigged against it.
>>12288129>But in diagrams I've seen it doesn't seem to have much reinforcement in its lower half, which had me questioning how it's supposed to sit their unfueled and with full cargo. I guess the steel is simply thick enough to be structurally sound?My guess is that they'll leave some leftover gasses (from the propellant that couldn't get pulled by the turbopumps) in there for pressurization.
>>12288129Cylinders are structurally strong anon, that's why most support columns are hollow steel cylinders, like the supports for water towers or Roller Coasters, it's a self supporting structure
>>12288127No, they fear for their jobs. This woman worked on Cassini etc, then there was that dumbass bitch working on the Mars rovers. They're shit out of a job if humans take over extraterrestrial exploration.>>12288129The Atlas was paper thin. It was so fucking thin they had to invent a chemical to keep it from corroding away. Picture related.That was a balloon tank. Starship is what? 4mm or something? That'll warp a bit since the sections are made of cold rolled steel, but it won't collapse. The more it is pressed, the more it'll be inclined to stay in that shape.
>>12288131>reverse image search>zero results
>>12288110I'll give you the narcissism and misery, but an awareness of one's limitations is not self-loathing.
>>12288125literally this, Elon is doing more for the environment than nearly everybody else alive
>>12288131bruh moment
>>12288141>but an awareness of one's limitations is not self-loathing.One should always strive to break their limitations anon. Anything less is a lack of faith in themselves
>>12288117Is that because of their lightspeed interception speed?
>>12288095I'm of the opinions that humans NEED to dream and hope. Part of the current worldwide problem is that everyone's completely focused on the horrible, immovable problems of our age. 99% can't do anything to fix these problems so they become demoralized and bitter. Someone doing something extraordinary, like putting human feet on Mars, would help remind us that as a species that we're capable of doing genuinely good things, and that there are higher callings than simply keeping yourself afloat .This is why space is so hot right now and why things like the Falcon Heavy launch got such huge and excited attention.
>>12288131>decide to play some ksp for the first time in years>attempt at modding immediately corrupts it and it shits itself>reload /sfg/ and see thistruly, ksp is cursed
>>12288131
>>12288139Why would you bother reverse searching it if it clearly shows this thread in it?
>>12288050Nuclear EVERYTHING
>>12288159Some small part of me was hoping it was a well done edit of another cursed image.
>>12288157
>>12288150The drive to propagate is physiologically absent from my brain, and I find it fundamentally distasteful so I have no desire to address the fault
>>12288157Based.
>>12288168you might have brain problems anon
>>12288154It's a story as old as man
>>12288106why is it always either or with these people? You can both fix problems here AND explore the stars. Why the hell would these things be mutually exclusive?>lead the way in solving our biggest problems. that is LITERALLY WHAT MUSK IS DOING. He should be a hero among global warming people because he's the only one actually taking action.>>>12288126>People point out that Starlink is good for everyone and she just says “It could be better”Starlink is literally being used to give minorities in rural areas internet
>>12288176Correct
>>12288180How dare he colonize those noble savages!
>>12288168Well, if it's any condolence at least your genes are self-obliterating so you won't pass this down to anyone else.
>>12288180Poor tribes accessing healthcare and education? Uhhh stinky did you forget about the most oppressed people in the world, amateur space photographers?
>>12288017>>12288026>>12288025Retards>>12288020Yeah that is a good point>>12288046Own the book but never read it. Kinda cringe now>>12288139Filthy Frank meme le epic funny XD
>>12288187Your genes are also mediocre, anon; you just aren't smart enough to realize it.
>>12288196t.retard
grugkind can not go past mountain. grugkind no make smoke signal up hill. grugkind stay to fix cave problems first. cave sometimes too warm. cave sometimes wet. other grugs sometimes say mean things.some grug born with small headnow put your meat and berries in tribe basket to share with other grugs
>>12288200Please don't project your pathological self-hatred onto me.
>>12288020that's the rule, though, isn't it? Survivors are few. I don't see why this rule wouldn't apply to sentient species as a whole, or even life-bearing planets.
>>12288210Thanks for proving my point.
>>12288196retard
>>12287906https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncx4x8rvrQUIt already exists
>>12288202>>12288215Fuck bros, I got got
What should be in the Mars constitution?>No JewsAnything else?
>>12288231>fuck urf
>>12288131based spaceplane fapper
>>12288231nah i think you got it covered
>>12288231No graveyards, mulch the dead and communists to be reused for fertilizing soil.
>>12288231>What should be in the Mars constitution?All the good stuff in the American constitution.And definitely a presidential system, none of that westminster parliamentary bullshit.
>>12288241>none of that westminster parliamentary bullshit.this a hundred times
>tfw I wrote a Lunar constitution years ago after reading the moon is a harsh mistress>tfw I still have it and it's just as fucking cringey as you'd imagine
>>12288243I imagine you're gonna have multiple different major bases. There is your analog to American states. All the president is the leader of, what is essentially, an inter-base/inter-state compact.
>>12288245Is it better than the Berrigan Declaration on the Rights of the Moon at least?
>>12288231No constitution, there is only the tyranny of the demigods
>>12288258No constitution, only kings
>>12288252>Berrigan Declaration on the Rights of the MoonI don't know what that is.It's basically a descendant of the American constitution. Just changed to match the culture that I, and Heinlein, thought would exist on the moon. Plus some new innovations that politics have had since 1776. And some things that I just felt needed to be included.I also fixed the rights section so it includes a little description of why something is a right. This way no one can pull >the founding fathers never intended you to have an ar-15And because I'm such a huge faggot, there are some piecewise functions in it to define the population:representation ratio.
>>12288270>I don't know what that is.Some silly pro-space environmentalist thing that I'm sure some kids at the Berrigan school were made to sign as some way to rally people against colonizing the moon. I'll spare you the tweet where this came from.>I also fixed the rights section so it includes a little description of why something is a right. This way no one can pull>>the founding fathers never intended you to have an ar-15This alone already pulls your document well ahead of this one.
>https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1321960103814324234>Anti-Spacex Anti-NewSpace Pro-Boeing will become NASA administrator if Biden wins.It's fucking over.
>>12288245Post it so we can make fun of you
>>12288291learn to lurk
>>12288266>>12288231No gods or kings. Only man.
>>12288288I really wish you didn't tell me this exists.>This alone already pulls your document well ahead of this one.Thanks.>>12288293I can't. I wrote it on paper.
>>12288291We know. It already pissed us off.
>>12288266>Red Pill>ConservativeI would wonder if this was meant to be ironic but I know modern conservatives have no sense of irony or self-awareness.
>>12288291>One random newspaper is taken as trueNothing is concrete yet. It's all rumours.
>>12287793>Kendra Horn as NASA administratorthis is fucking disaster lol
>>12288330I’ll take Kendra over Lori
>>12288333>LoriLiterally who?
>>12288245Does it include mandatory unisex showers?Heinlein was a crazy wierdo but he was right about some things.
>>12285980So this is the secret for Soyuz longevity.
>>12287853>because it never occurred to them that they might be able to use it for more than just one launch...Paradoxically if orbital refueling depots worked then SLS would get scrapped entirely since there wouldn't be any need for such a fragile, dangerous, expensive rocket.
>>12288364And now you've figured out why Senator Shelby was so against d*pots
>>12287958Elon putting lunar starship on the surface of the moon is basically the only thing that can kill SLS. Past a certain point, the waste would be unjustifiable - especially if there’s a cheaper commercial alternative.
>>12288179That is the best "Jews are not white" post I've ever seen.>>12288370Even counting the refueling flights it will cost less to put the moonship on the moon's surface than to put an Orion+ICPS massed dummy payload in transfer orbit.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1322011788926455808>Some challenges with high winds. Looks like Sunday for static fire.
>>12286687Priorities. They should do human reproduction first, it's much more relevant.
>>12287934Not quite what I expected, but close enough.
>>12288399>The first victims when hate is on the riseGEE I WONDER WHY
So apparently the HDLT thruster works with water, and even human piss, as propellant. This is officially the best plasma rocket if it scales linearly.>crazy high Isp>640mg/hr/N (yes, 0.00064kg/hr/N) mass flow>~1N/kW with NO superconductors required>possibly up to 10N/kW with high-ish temperature cryogenic superconductors>ice ISRU with no electrolysis or chilling required>liquid water tanks>no degrading electrodes or high pressure turbomachineryhttps://archive.is/Vskog
>>12288406So I guess piss can be used for more than airlocks, it seems. Someone also mind explaining that one? Never fully got that one.
>>12288420IIRC it was someone explaining how a liquid filled U bend acts like an airlock if it's big enough, and how the liquid could be anything, and then an anon suggested astronauts pissing into it.
>>12287467trimotor was fucking based broswhy didn't ford stay in the aviation market
>>12286363>>12286368>>12286392Naaaah. Fuck this. I'm done. #TeamSpaceX
>>12287526>needing captionsbwo whats wong with you
>>12288427>why didn't ford stay in the aviation marketFrom wiki:>At the height of the Depression, Ford closed the aircraft design and production division in 1936, temporarily re-entering the aviation market with the production of the B-24, at the Willow Run aircraft factory during World War II.THANKS FDR
>heres ur airplane bro
IMAGINE
If SpaceX decides to manufacture and send out Red Dragons after all, what would you put in yours?
Where did it all go wrong bros?
>>12288441A small robot bulldozer to make a flattish rock free landing site for Starship
>>12288448That's actually a pretty cool idea. You could even sit on it and remote control it for better results.
>>12288453
>>12288438Now if we were to launch this on a V2, would it reach orbit?
>>12288180Those people don't want action, they want something to complain and feel morally superior about. These people all live in cities and would scoff at the idea of going camping as a vacation. Musk is their enemy because he's proving that these issues they lose their minds over are finite and addressable solely through capitalist endeavors.
>>12288460A proposition like that reminds me of some weird ass book my 4th grade teacher read to the elementary class. Basically some class creates a flying red model plane similar to what's depicted, and they declare that it'll go to the moon. Some bullies or whatever want to halt it. However, blind optimism wins out, and the plane flew very high. According to the book, one of the students became an astronaut or something and found the model
>>12288441A little greenhouse robot to set up a tiny dome and plant asparagus in regolith.
>>12288441astronaut diapers (female)
>>12288438let's play "spot all the things we know with hindsight would make this a deathtrap">those sharp corners on the windowsactually it's almost certainly not pressurized so idk if that would even be an issue
>>12288471Mine has a built in gas chamber.
>>12288465>However, blind optimism wins out,If only such a thing was true of reality
>>12288467That would legitimately make some wacky airlocks.
>Boca Chica has ~3,000 employeesDidn't SpaceX only have 7,000 employees a couple of years ago? That's a huge jump.https://www.mysanantonio.com/sa-inc/article/SpaceX-s-Starship-poised-to-launch-Texas-15685289.php
>>12288340Lori Garver, another potential Biden-era NASA administrator who thinks we should focus on climate science BS instead of space exploration. Kendra at least says we should be out there fucking around
>>12288106https://www.ted.com/talks/carolyn_porco_there_is_no_planet_bHer ted talk wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. Surprised to hear that she was involved with Cassini.But the entire premise of her talk is missing the point.
>>12288441Bad-Dragon dildos
>>12288490>Kendra at least says we should be out there fucking around*She says BOEING should be out there fucking around
>>12288441one of those 360 vr cameras, so i could livestream martian footage with some chill music behind it
oh no no no no no
>>12288500>livestream martian footageThat'd just be a still photograph unless there was a dust storm in which case it'd just be a pink blur.
>>12288504meanwhile SpaceX launched a satellite for Saudi Arabia, a literal shithole that funded 9/11 and is actively committing human rights crimes, supporting muslim extremism.... not a peep
>>12288505He's probably talking about like a martian version of those Boca Chica livestreams.
>>12288504What is this chimp out about?
Which space suit is best
>>12288441A bunch of rovers that can be used for Martian weather/climate and geoscience studies. Some networking equipment too for interplanetary Internet research.
>>12288518Armenian monkeys can't into spaceflight
>>12288523orange
>>12288523The SpaceX one would be the most kino if they didn't forget to notice how WIDE most astronauts are
>>12288523Left. It easily just hooks to the seat and nothing more is really needed.
>>12288523working hardsuit or counterpressure suit > orange > white > blue
>>12288523any images of orange and white puffed up with air like the blue one?
>>12288528this
>>12288528I wonder if there was ever a deep classified program to launch satellites from an SR-71. Mach 3 at 30km wouldnlet you get away with a tiny little rocket, and the SR-71 actually had hard points for attaching a drone to the top.
>>12288523orange is best overall, but spacex has the coolest helmet.
Mars colony gyms and "anti-aging" clinics when bros
>>12288523ahem
>>12288399>on her personal website she uses the (((echoes))) around her own name kek
>>12288489When the falcon program is closed, many are going to get fired in Cali. I expect around 4000-5000.
>>12288590Falcon's gonna be going for a decade just due to existing contracts. By the time it's totally done Starship is gonna have so much volume that SpaceX will be able to find work for any of their productive employees. All the fags that refuse to leave Cali will get fucked but who cares about them.
>>12288594No way. Falcon will stop flying in 2022. There's a reason musk wants to launch 36 times next year. He wants to clear all the backlogs.
>>12288618Falcon Heavy won the resupply contract for Gateway (if it ever exists lol) and will be launching two of the modules.
>>12288618I don't think you understand how far in advance these sorts of payloads are designed/contracted for, especially when dealing with military gear. It's not like they have a warehouse full of expensive DoD satellites just waiting to be launched ASAP.
>>12288624>It's not like they have a warehouse full of expensive DoD satellites just waiting to be launched ASAP.They might if NROL-44 keeps scrubbing.
>>12288619>Gateway (if it ever exists lol)Look Gateway is real. You've seen it down in Michoud. They're building the core module
>>12288630Imagine the butthurt if they actually pull it off of the Delta and just hand it to SpaceX. Do we know if it actually fits in a Falcon fairing?
>>12288637We don't know anything because it's super classified, but probably. ULA would be fucking over if they did that. Nobody would ever trust them again.
>>12288637They legally can't do that, due to vertical integration being a legal requirement for top secret payloads, spaceX will probably finish their tower before ULA launches it at this rate though lmao
>>12288640>ULA was supposed to be the millitarys guaranteed access to spaceAnything to crush this notion is a good thing
>>12287793Just when you thought it couldn't get worse than Lori Fucking Garver HOLY FUCKIN HELL END THIS NIGHTMARE
>>12288643In that case I'll settle for a 6+ month timelapse/montage video of the Delta sitting idle on the pad in the foreground with Falcon after Falcon launching in the background.
>>12288618You forget the crew dragon contract.
>looking at software jobs for SpaceX>require you to fill out alot of background info to applyI was thinking of applying but they must get alot of applicants if they have to ask that much info. Even shitty programming jobs in small cities get hundreds of applicants and they only require a basic resume to apply.
>>12288645My man Zubrin just needs to shave clean and accept the punished Zubrin look, the JUST Zubrin look is embarrassing desu.
>>12288221based commies
>>12288687I think it's because they're trying to keep spies out, anon.
>>12288694YWN rush from star to star with your comrades
>>12288691I'm telling you, a bald Zubrin with a five o'clock shadow would look menacing
>>12288706my boner my boner my boner wont go down
>>12288708someone should shoop this
>>12288708>>12288711It's the exact same thing with trump, and I think I've actually seen a shoop for him. Every old dude who tries to maintain a combover would look so much more respectable if they shaved the head and grew at least a stubble beard.
>>12288724From what I've heard Trump is incapable of growing facial hair which is kind of a bummer. Don Jr has good facial hair although it's almost TOO groomed, to the point of looking fake because its a constant length lmao
>>12288687>>12288703Yeah that's the ITAR/security stuff.
>>12288441A box of lichens and a minimal rover to put them on rocks somewhere near rhe lander.
>>12286011I skipped lunch to watch this launch in 5th grade- pretty uneventful- and the second graders got to watch this as part of their class, fucking lame.
>>12288523I honestly like the Boeing one
>>12286435>>12288759We love our boomers don't we folks?
>>12288691Shaving is for fags who want to look like little boys
Defend this fucking shit
>>12288777Foreign conflicts thousands of miles away don’t matter to mentally sane people
>>12288777Isn't Turkey a NATO ally? Why aren't they protesting at the Pentagon or White House?
>>12288775Anon, I think you need to go to bed
>>12288423The liquid needs to not evaporate or freeze under both ambient conditions and habitat conditions. Your options are limited.
>>12288783>Isn't Turkey a NATO ally? Why aren't they protesting at the Pentagon or White House?Because their handlers don't care about Armenia, they're just mobilizing political engines, and their ready crowds of mob-usable people that are easily dragged into outrage stunts, to attack SpaceX.
>>12288777>defend armenianah
>>12288777wtf thats antisemitic
>>12288777who am i defending, the armenians? fucking hell, spacex could fuck my wife and kill my family as long as they get us to mars. there is literally no morally reprehensible thing spacex isnt allowed to do in my mind.that being said, i dont care about armenians anyway. after turkey takes care of them, we can take care of the turks. simple as
>>12288794all the armenian bots and and automated emails and protests seemed to come out of literally nowhere, so it's obviously manufactured. if there is a real conflict, guarantee you armenia isnt innocent. they're their own country, start acting like it instead of begging US companies for help, like how pathetic can you be. like nigga launch your own recon sat like wtf haha
I'm 100% team Armenia and trump should drop some moabs on the fucking roaches in Azerbaijan, however I'm pretty sure this is some staged op, how many fucking Armenians live near there? Not that many I guarantee, smells like a glownigger op against Elon and Spacex.
>>12288777I guess they are refering to the Türksat-5A which is slated to be launched on november the 30th. It is a com-satellite for TV broadcasts and the likes so it has next to nothing for military purposes.I think it just neat that Turkey has a developing aerospace industry and that it is starting making headways into space-related stuff.
>>12288813I'm team fuck Turkey but Armenians are gay
>>12288866this. gas the turks, castrate the armenians
>>12287793>Democrats LOVE Science and the Heckin' Speicarino!
>>12287794New production RS25's literally cost 100 million dollars a piece.Scrap value?
>>12288383Wait. High winds are strong winds? I thought when they said high winds they meant winds at a certain height.Well I feel foolish.
>>12288915Thats upper-level winds
>>12288777Do any of the protestors even have ties to Armenia?This is yet another instance of: "It‘s not ok when Elon does it, cause he‘s weird on twitter sometimes."And a fucking satellite launch? Protest the fucking turkish embassy or something. Does the US even do much with Turkey? These people might have an aneurysm looking at say Germany‘s dealings with Turkey. Pretty sure most of their weapons are German and they get billions for keeping refugees out of europe.But no, a com satellite by SpaceX. That‘s the hot-button issue.
>>12287489>right wingers aren't petty little fuckskek
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>>12288153Partialy, they are also more accurate and the lack of an athmosphere allows for longer ranges.