/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>12282410
No, we're not mistaking everything for Covid-19 and no Covid-19 isn't just made up by the media and actually harmless or whatever other conspiracy theory you come up with. Total excess deaths moron. Covid is real and it can kill you. Wear a mask.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm

>>12282433
No, covid is not going to kill 100% of people on this planet and cause the sun to burn out

>>12282433
this

>>12282433
>Covid is real and it can kill you. Wear a mask.

>>12282299
>rt.com
Of course you didn't post link.

>>12282444
strawman, dont be such a subhuman faggot

>>12282299
>How likely is that the tests mistake the flu for Covid?
Slim to none. We're still testing for the flu, people aren't getting it. Other coronaviruses may trigger a positive test result, however.

>>12282433
Oh honey, the mask doesn't protect you, it protects others from you. You can still die a horrible painful death drowning in your own juices even if you wear a mask all the time if someone else doesn't wear their mask. You should be able to shoot anyone in public who isn't wearing a mask as it is self defense.

>>12282821
>Oh honey, the mask doesn't protect you,
A good one does, "honey". I wear an N95 with a release valve (meaning my filthy potentially pathogen ridden air is exhaled). The more people who get COVID-19, the better off things will be for me and my generation.

>>12282477
Never fails. Unsourced bullshit is usually propaganda.

>>12282299
Russian propaganda.

>>12282410
i know what you're implying with this picture and you are an absolute brainlet

>>12282433
>that pic

goddamn, it's like a nightmare

for everyone whining about a source ITT
google> cdc 98% reduction in flu
i'm not going to link you because you guys are just being lazy and whining about nothing

>>12283505
>i'm not going to link you because you guys are just being lazy and whining about nothing
Well if OP wanted to discuss the article, then they should have provided the link. If they only wanted their question answered, then it's "no." A SARS-CoV-2 test is not going to mix up a coronavirus and influenza. There is some possibility of a false positive caused by a different coronavirus, but that would have nothing to do with lower flu cases. The southern hemisphere continued testing for influenza during their flu season, and the positivity rate was 0.06%, compared to 13.7% for previous years.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6937a6.htm
>In the Southern Hemisphere countries of Australia, Chile, and South Africa, only 33 influenza positive test results were detected among 60,031 specimens tested in Australia, 12 among 21,178 specimens tested in Chile, and six among 2,098 specimens tested in South Africa, for a total of 51 influenza positive specimens (0.06%, 95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.04%–0.08%) among 83,307 tested in these three countries during April–July 2020 (weeks 14–31). In contrast, during April–July in 2017–2019, 24,512 specimens tested positive for influenza (13.7%, 95% CI = 13.6%–13.9%) among 178,690 tested in these three countries (Figure 2).

>>12282433
It can kill you if you're older than 60

>>12282299
flue is less contagious than sars-cov2 and the preventative measures we're taking for the latter are influencing the spread of all viruses.

>mistake the flu for Covid
Covid do be hitting different doe

>>12282299
Basically 0.

>>12282299
>no link just the headline
is this really what pol does? They just read the headline and that’s it? No wonder they are all retarded.

>>12286889
It's becoming a disturbing trend to provide an image for an article without linking to the article.

>>12282299
PCR are almost 100% specific. Even when millions are tested the results are reliable.
For the cheaper antigen tests are shitty but the scientists who deal with projections are aware of the false positive problematic and incorporate it in their calculations. Of course there are monetary incentives but the scientists are also competing with each other so they are very carefull not to discredit themselves.
Don't waste any more of my pooping time, wear a mask.

>>12282433
Based. This is the epidemic, the Black Death of our time, and we need to treat it accordingly. But I am not at all confident we will recover from this on top of everything else that's happening. If anything, Covid-19 is only a taste of what's to come. Perhaps it will not even be the worst virus. And right-wingers probably won't even get the chance to cry hoax about it.

>>12282410
Then why not thinking Covid is real and cancer, heart diseases, accidents, strokes, flu, Alzheimer's are fake?

>>12282433
lmao who are these 95 IQ retards who post this shit all day

>>12286889
>makes broad sweeping generalisation
>calls other people retarded

>>12283459
>no argument
Your post is the most brainlet post itt desu, you're a dimwit

>>12288954
asking for a link is a sweeping generalisation? please be less retarded.

>>12287002
Why is everyone so convinced that there's a worse virus coming up? What has made that more likely?

>>12289508
There's bound to be something lurking under the ice that's melting.

>>12282433
Hahahahahahaha

>>12289524
Probably true but that's always been the case. Why specificalaly after covid are we convinced that there's a worse virus on the way?

>>12289695
because something something china would perfect their bioweapon in the near future to fulfill muh chinese takeover, or some shit like that

>>12289704
But even the experts who say "the bioweapon idea is DEBUNKED" seem to feel that there's a worse virus on the way

>>12286889
>>12286925
>omg how do i find article u post no link...
Retards. Google the headline.

>>12290116
>Retards. Google the headline.
I'm quite capable of doing that, but I'm not going to. If OP wants to discuss the article, they should post the link and the relevant information rather than expecting everyone to waste their time googling.

>>12282850
>Russia Russia Russia
How long are you tards going to spout this shit?

>>12282433
I've used the same mask since March and I've never washed it. Masks are fucking useless you stupid faggot

>>12283459
No, you're right, all the people that have heart conditions and cancer have died and so now there are no more people in the United States with heart problems or cancer. The problem is solved.
Just look at the graph: the number of people with cancer, strokes, heart disease and "i've fallen and i can't get up" have collectively dropped by over 50%. In five years we can expect the number of people that die in that category to be under 2,000 deaths.

>>12282433
>Be not 70 or older.
>Live.

Listen, either corona virus is now a seasonal, recurring thing, or its a one time shot.
If it is recurring, then open up and take our lumps until we get to herd immunity. Because it'll just be back next year.
If its a one time thing, then the same amount of people are going to die regardless. So open up and take our lumps.

This is how it has worked for millennia and here we are we utter fools for policy experts.

>>12282299

>>12291218
Odd how they're not having this problem in Taiwan or South Korea.
Among developed countries, it's really just the Western ones that are having such difficulties getting the virus under control.

>>12291303
ClownCountry, you mean.
The US is basically the only "developed" country that couldn't suppress the virus for any meaningful period of time.
The Europeans at least managed that, until they gave up and started acting like Americans.

>>12291198
You make a good case that masks aren't a risk for infecting yourself.

>>12291312
>The Europeans at least managed that
Did you get your talking points from politicians or something? The Mediterranean was hit pretty fucking hard a fair while before the US was and it certainly wasn't anywhere near as clean as "oh well they managed" would imply.

>>12291325
>The Mediterranean was hit pretty fucking hard a fair while before the US was
That's true, but that also means the USA had more time to prepare, and yet it was still caught with its pants down.

It's not that flu deaths went down, it's that COVID is fake and all the flu deaths are getting written up wrong.

>>12291325
Read what I wrote again
>for any meaningful period of time
They basically suppressed it during the summer.

>>12291333

>>12282410
You are aware this image shows that the measures against Corona work fantastically well on the flu, right? You also know that health departments have told us for decades to wash hands, keep distance and stay at home so people don't infect too many others during flu seasons, right?

>>12291329
Europe had pretty good warnings itself considering how it was spreading through China and how widely available the information was. There were countries in Asia that were already acting on it pretty early on. In Germany Bavaria was actually pretty receptive to these warnings and it was ridiculed by the rest of Germany and by even other countries for trying to restrict travel as only doing it because they are racist. I'm sure you don't need to be reminded of the articles talking about how the real disease is the racism in the minds of the people seeking to halt Chinese immigration. To me that would sound like them getting the warning and then rejecting it with a burning passion.

>>12291348
>You are aware this image shows that the measures against Corona work fantastically well on the flu, right?
interesting

>>12291218
So far several things have happened.

1. Covid 19 was, at the start, regional. That meant that doctors and equipment could go places they were needed most.
2. We have learned how to control the risk of death to some extent, meaning that less people are dying now than they were back in April/May.
3. Covid-19 has a smaller chance to spread when the weather is warm and people spend more time outdoors.

That's why the excess deaths have been falling off in that chart. Don't let it make you complacent because.
1. We are nearing winter and people will spend more time indoors.
2. More people are expected to be infected than ever before.
3. Covid-19 is no longer regional but widespread so hospitals and medical equipment will soon get overrun.

You right winged fucking retards brought this on yourselves. We warned you again and again and again but you had to go to Trump rallies and rock concerts and refuse to wear masks. 2021 will be 10x worse than 2020 and you only have yourselves to blame.

>>12291354
you cant talk about things in the past anon, the retarded fucking maggots that constitute humanity can only remember what the tv told them to think 2 days ago. HAHAHAH this guy is talking about what actually happened 6 months ago, this guy is saying something different than the box that tells me what to think HAHAHA FUCKING NERD

>>12291354
True. Taiwan and S. Korea had experience with China, they were prepared and responded immediately. The majority of the West ignored the warnings and sat on their hands.

>it was your fault for going to Trump rallies
Oh yah I am sure those millions of people out in the streets burning down a billion dollars worth of property every night for the last 6 months was perfectly safe but it was the Trump rallies that were the problem.

This is how fucking stupid >>12291408 the people you are dealing with are. The only cure for this kind of stupidity is a bullet to the head. They will drive you and your entire nation right off a cliff if you let them have any power. They need to be crushed with a boot to their fucking faces. If I ever run into you covid will be the least of your worries you little fucking cuck. I would take pleasure in gutting you boy

https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=blm+riots+slowed+corona+virus

>>12291435
>Oh yah I am sure those millions of people out in the streets
So they were outside? And Trump's been having indoor rallies since September?

>>12291445
I will take a fat steaming covid shit on your face you little punk bitch. If you're scared go to church but dont open your mouth in public running lip if you don't want your incel buck o'5 face rearranged autistic little faggot

>>12291460
>If you're scared go to church
I'm onto you, you just want me to go get infected at church.

>>12291435
Because Black Lives matter were primarily locals protesting. Trump rallies, rock concerts and Sturgis brought people in from out of states and communities. We have cellphone data of how people moved and behaved during the protests and during the rallies and guess what? The riots barely tipped the scale while the rallies and rock concerts and bike rallies are super spreader events.

You can even read up on it, do your own research but here, a quick google search:
https://www.alternet.org/2020/08/cell-phone-data-shows-sturgis-rally-attendees-later-visited-61-of-us-counties/

Stop comparing the two or blaming protests, it just proves that you listen only to right wing propaganda like an idiot.

>>12282299
I'm a brainlet. Is the flu part of the coronavirus family or is it its own thing?

>>12289704
More like chinks will keep eating whatever and then another virus causes the same problem.

>>12291465
Different phylums, which is several levels removed from families, so they're quite different.

>>12291464
>it just proves that you listen only to right wing propaganda like an idiot.
The irony, you people really are NPC and legit retarded. I hope you ctach it the first day you leave your house. I am going to fly all around trying to make sure you catch it. I am building an altar to my Gods and doing a ritual to tell the Gods to give you covid and hopefully you will die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs3KaY3r5bw

>>12291464
this is the stupidest shit I ever read. Jesus anon there is something seriously wrong with you. How do you function being this retarded? There is no way you are STEM being this stupid and sloppy with your variables and assumptions. This isn't how science works, you don't just pull assumptions out of your ass and get to present it as fact

>>12282299
As likely as Trump winning.

>>12291408
It sounds to me like we should have removed restrictions over the summer to maintain the pace at which we approach herd immunity.

>>12291536
The thing is, Sweden's exploding cases shows that immunity hasn't been reached. It's true their deaths remain extremely low, but I don't think a bunch of obese Americans would have the same survival rate.

>>12282299

flue death rate is .01%. It's roughly the same this year as it was last year. Your article is garbage.

>>12282444

when you have to strawman this hard it's probably time to reassess your position

>>12291464
Trump 2020 tranny seethe more

>>12282299
It probably has something to do with more people taking the vaccines. Flu vaccines never were a thing in my country, I think we purchased like for 0.1% of the population. This year many got scared into actually getting the flu vaccine, and it was something around 16% that got it (including my old parents). In short, social distancing + masks + way more vaccination; of course the flu is fucked.

>>12282433

>>12291348
that's retarded, anon. we have no way of knowing if the two things are correlated in any way at all. you're applying your own bias. this is the type of pseudoscientific thinking that gives flat earthers the confidence to shitpost here

>>12282433
The death toll is not accurate you dumb lying scum shitbag. 94% of the covid deaths were co morbidities like heart disease obesity and emphyzema. No normal healthy person under the age of 80 has any reason to fear this beyond a flu.

>>12282433
90% of positive test results were from people with so few viruses in them that they would not spread it to anyone. Fucking engine oil and fruits are testing positive for it. Why is it that suddenly everyone is terrified of dying from something so statistically irrelevant, when we do all kinds of things to endanger or destroy our bodies. Fuck this SHIT.

you can cope all you like. fact is covid is a result of climate change and this is only the start. we've moved so far beyond arguing debating denying or responding to the problem

it's time now that whenever climate change is mentioned , the only appropriate reply is: "We’re not talking about change. We’re talking about the agonising death of every human soul on the planet…. including you"

>>12282299
How is it a mistake when it's deliberate?

Every test for COVID-19 is based on a simulation, a probability that a particular pattern of trace molecules would mean that a coronavirus was present at some point.

No test determines whether or not you have the disease, nor does any tests that whatever symptoms you have are caused a particular virus.

The test is about traces.

The flu rate dropped because clinics don't test for it anymore--there's no money it for them.

>>12292449
>we have no way of knowing if the two things are correlated in any way at all.
What's your explanation for the rate of positive flu tests falling from an average of 13.7% in previous years to 0.06% this year? That's a 228 times lower rate.

>>12294014
>90% of positive test results were from people with so few viruses in them that they would not spread it to anyone.
The chart you're commenting on is showing the number of dead, not positive tests.

>>12294034
>The flu rate dropped because clinics don't test for it anymore--there's no money it for them.
"In the Southern Hemisphere countries of Australia, Chile, and South Africa, only 33 influenza positive test results were detected among 60,031 specimens tested in Australia, 12 among 21,178 specimens tested in Chile, and six among 2,098 specimens tested in South Africa, for a total of 51 influenza positive specimens (0.06%, 95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.04%–0.08%) among 83,307 tested in these three countries during April–July 2020 (weeks 14–31). In contrast, during April–July in 2017–2019, 24,512 specimens tested positive for influenza (13.7%, 95% CI = 13.6%–13.9%) among 178,690 tested in these three countries (Figure 2)."

They were testing, it's just that almost no one was testing positive.

>>12294066

Wrong. Rapid tests do not distinguish between influenza viruses nor do specimens mean a one to one testing per patient. They weren't testing they were sampling.

>>12294101
>Rapid tests do not distinguish between influenza viruses
What?

>They weren't testing they were sampling.
Double what?

>>12294112


The first cause for reduction is from artificial changes. The clinic labs are already budgeted to survey the flu. (How does that compare to the onsite testing done at hospitals?) "Persons with respiratory symptoms were often preferentially referred for SARS-CoV-2 assessment and testing."

So name a diagnostic assay kit that only requires probing of a patient.

>>12282838
But at least your mask will keep most sneeze drops out so you don't inhale them.

Sneezes go right through cotton.

>>12294209
What you're quoting was for testing within the USA, not the southern hemisphere, which just went through their cold and flu season and continued testing for influenza. The numbers in the portion I quoted were for influenza specific tests.

>Further, some countries, such as Australia, had less stringent criteria for testing respiratory specimens than in previous seasons and tested markedly more specimens for influenza but still detected few with positive results during months when Southern Hemisphere influenza epidemics typically peak.

>"In the Southern Hemisphere countries of Australia, Chile, and South Africa, only 33 influenza positive test results were detected among 60,031 specimens tested in Australia, 12 among 21,178 specimens tested in Chile, and six among 2,098 specimens tested in South Africa, for a total of 51 influenza positive specimens (0.06%, 95% confidence interval [CI] = 0.04%–0.08%) among 83,307 tested in these three countries during April–July 2020 (weeks 14–31). In contrast, during April–July in 2017–2019, 24,512 specimens tested positive for influenza (13.7%, 95% CI = 13.6%–13.9%) among 178,690 tested in these three countries (Figure 2)."

>>12291162
>bullshit
Did Russia Today stop being Russian or something?

>>12294264
The data was provided by National Influenza Centres (NICs) of the Global Influenza Surveillance and Response System (GISRS)

>>12294289
What is your point?

>>12291465
influenza is caused by Paramyxoviruses
Paramyxo =/= Corona
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza#Types_of_virus

>>12289508
Climate change, specifically deforestation and habitat destruction.
These things bring human populations closer to previously isolated wildlife populations carrying novel diseases.
We got lucky this time, but the rates of habitat destruction are only increasing so pandemics like this are only going to get more frequent.
Eventually, we are going to get something deadly, its only a matter of time.

>>12294315
Well, we've already had MERS, SARS, and Ebola, fortunately they were contained.

can't they just crank the PCR rotations up to get whatever amount of virus they want? it's not a test it's a process for amplification am I wrong

>>12294300
That yours is mute

>>12282433
>If you're diseased and only surviving from modern medicine there is a chance covid can hurry you along, wear the mask

>>12294347
You mean moot, and I still don't understand what you're getting at. Your first claim was that rates went down because people weren't being tested, so I gave you the results from the Southern Hemisphere where people are being tested, and the positivity rate is absurdly low. Then you gave me a quote that applied to the testing methods in the U.S., but had nothing to do with the statistics I gave you. Now you're giving me the testing organization, which again, is not a U.S. organization. So what point are you trying to make?

So many covid experts ITT!
I have Covid related question and don't want to make new thread!
Do surgical masks work!?
W.H.O. at the beginning of pandemic said that at minimum you need n95 respiratory, and even that does not protect 100% because of how small virus is!
But now they changed their statement and apparently simple face masks do help!

Did they said that because were afraid of panic and to give false sense of safety? Simple masks, majority of people use, do nothing, right?

>>12291464
>it's okay when we do it
>insert any random retarded made up shit
god I fucking hate you leftoid trannies. you should all eat lead. you are like a parasite that won't satisifed until you destroy the host. everything you retarded shit bags touch you turn to a corrosive pile of shit that stinks like burnt ass hairs and dingleberries

>>12294414
no mute

>>12282433

more than 99% of cases are mild, bozo.

>>12282433
>>12294063

good job revealing yourself, idiot. those excess deaths are due to you scumbags forcing lockdowns, emptying out hospitals and sending sick people home plus scaring people out of seeking medical attention for more serious diseases and illnesses.

>>12282433

Quite literally all you have is excess deaths, that alone cannot prove it was covid that caused the excess deaths. It's just as valid to claim the lockdowns caused these deaths.

>>12294622
It's weird how many other countries are doing the same thing and haven't experienced excess deaths.

>>12291766

hilarious. covid has spread globally as early as december 2019 yet the excess deaths didnt show up til the lockdowns did and even more hilarious is the fact the deaths remained higher DURING lockdowns, almost as if lockdowns didn't do shit or the covid data is all bullshit.

>>12294628

prove it.

>>12294633
>yet the excess deaths didnt show up til the lockdowns did
So what's your explanation for Sweden?

>>12294634
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Not every country has struggled to keep deaths down despite taking similar measures as the U.S.

OMG WE'RE ALL DEAD WE NEED WORLD GOVERNMENT NOW!!!
(to fund our important scientific research)
https://www.brighteon.com/b28940bc-e60f-4be9-8a52-6f74baf256d5

Yawn... nothing to see here in another bait thread

>>12294456
well FINE!
I'll make my own thread

>>12294622
Psychology is not real science tho

>>12291464
>Because Black Lives matter were primarily locals protesting
I don't have a bait meme to properly describe the absurdity of this post

>>12294657
>unironically yawnposting

>>12294635

sweden didnt have lockdowns or excess of deaths. what the fuck are you talking about?

>>12294671

not an ARGUMENT.

>>12294657

flu magically vanished

>>12294715
>not an ARGUMENT
it kinda is tho

>>12282433
>it can kill you
speak for yourself pussy, I'm 23 and healthy as fuck. You want a tampon to go with that mask of yours? Fuck yourself.

>>12294713
Are you blind or just retarded?
Sweden had a fuckliad of excess deaths. Specifically, that had significantly more excess deaths than the Scandinavian nations that did lock down, which tells the viris is what killed those people.

>>12295002

5000 recorded covid cases resolved as "deaths" hardly equals an excess. i suggest you back up what you say btw.

>>12289508
It's predictive programming unironically.

>>12292449
Anon, health advisors have always told us the measures would help against the flu and have always advised adhering to them in flu seasons. We've known this for decades.

>>12291408
>You right winged fucking retards brought this on yourselves.
Only a matter of time before you kill yourself, tranny freak. You won't be missed.

more likely the less contagious flu is failing to spread due to shutdowns and masks

>>12291408
Sure, New York is a right wing paradise.

>>12295021
Enjoy the horrible flu outbreak after you lift the lockdowns. If you will keep the lockdowns forever, you will get that outbreak slightly afterwards.

>>12291485
>no arguments
At some point MAGAtards have to actually back up the arguments.

>>12295007
>"deaths"
Are they still alive?

>>12295596
We have no immortality potion, so every year around a percent of population ends dead everywhere. And if you count 90 years old in hospice with fourth stage cancer as dying from covid, then it is *death*, but "covid death".

>>12295724
I guess Sweden has 20x stage four cancer patients compared to their neighbours.

>>12295732
I don't think that it's true, but you can bring the source.

>>12282433
>it can kill you
If you're 85 year old and have 85 kinds of untreated cancer.

>>12282299
98%

>>12282477
If you believe that China defeated corona with lockdowns and masks, why shouldn't you believe Russia too?

>>12294628
Did they do stuff like forcing covid patients into nursing homes?

>>12295786
The USA fucked up, for sure, but excess deaths are still up despite changes to those protocols.

>>12294713
>sweden didnt have lockdowns or excess of deaths.
They didn't have lockdowns and had a large amount of excess deaths, which is the point. If we're blaming lockdowns for the deaths, then what's the explanation for Sweden, which had a significant amount of excess deaths despite not locking down? What's the explanation for countries like Germany and Norway, which did have lockdowns and no excess deaths?

>>12296069
Sweden will probably have a couple of percents more deaths than average/trend, but only because it had an unusually low number of deaths last year, so these deaths moved to the first half of 2020. Even without that not raping your population is still better that a somewhat higher mortality rate. By the way, other Scandinavians mostly ignore masks too, so it's a proof that masks are evil.

>>12296069
'excess death' is a flawed concept

>>12296094
>By the way, other Scandinavians mostly ignore masks too, so it's a proof that masks are evil.
>Muh masks!
The conversation is about lock downs, is it not? If it's proof that masks are evil, then it's proof that lock downs are angelic.

>>12296094
>other Scandinavians mostly ignore masks too, so it's a proof that masks are evil
Because there was/is virtually no virus so wearing masks wasn't really warranted. Can't believe how difficult it is for people to understand these simple concepts.

>>12296069
>What's the explanation for countries like Germany and Norway, which did have lockdowns and no excess deaths?
germany is second waving right now

>>12282299
Zero, but there's something funky going on with flu this year. It's strange loads of people are still getting colds, but flu is nowhere to be seen, so attributing it to masks and social distancing doesn't hold water

>>12296141
Sweden's experiencing a greater rise in cases compared to their population than Germany.

>>12296145
I have a theory: Travel to and from china.

The chinese animal keeping is like a turducken. Except it's a chicken stuck in a pig and the pig stuck in a cow. While they are all still alive, sharing the living room with the farmer.

This is an unintentional biowarfare reactor and responsible for the annual influenza strains.

If true then every flu death is on the already bloodied hands of the Chinese.

>>12296153
But not an increase in deaths like Germany is experiencing. Everyone that had to die already died.

>>12296069
Norway lockdown was pretty mild compared to, say, Argentina.

>>12296110
>If it's proof that masks are evil, then it's proof that lock downs are angelic.
No, that's a non-sequitur. Masks and lockdowns are demonic, no such stuff is angelic (if you can also get no covid, that would be divine, but angelic level will work too).

>>12296331
Who would have thought that a poor country wouldn't have the health care to deal with it? Half the country lives in poverty.

>>12294024
Define soul

>>12296342
Oh, so it's wealth which is the main parameter? Good, you can compare to USA which is comparable to Norway and richer than Sweden. Or to UK/France which are still pretty rich.

>>12296367
>Good, you can compare to USA
And surprise surprise, the poor are getting hit much harder in the USA.

>>12294024
As in "climate change boogieman did not force everyone into poverty, so now we are trying the cold"?

>>12296375
Yup. It's almost like people that need to work to survive are the ones getting sick and dying, while the wealthier can stay at home.

>>12296375
That does not change the fact that very rich USA and rich UK/France are doing no better than Sweden (but some poor countries are doing better, so jumping to comparing wealth wasn't ever a good idea).

>>12296380
>people that need to work to survive
So lockdown is literally genocide?

>>12296385
>So lockdown is literally genocide?
Forcing people to go to work when there's a pandemic is genocide.

>>12296396
I'm more worried about the pandemic of stupidity than covid. Everyone, you included is infected with the former, no one with the latter.

>>12296342
They simply didn't have enough ventilators to sequentially intubate 100% of the population

>>12296419
Someone with high age and multiple morbidies are generally not admitted to the ICU anyway.

Go look up statistics for how many deaths had previously been in ICU, you'll be surprised.

>>12296429
Fram till och med vecka 25 finns tillförlitlig information om avslutat
intensivvårdstillfälle för 2 382 patienter. Av dessa hade 73 procent blivit utskrivna
från intensivvårdsavdelning och 24 procent hade avlidit.

Translated from picture.
Until week 25 there's reliable information about finalized ICU care for 2382 patients. Of these 73% had been discharged and 24% had died.

Sweden have 6000 covid deaths. 5400 of those deaths was never cared for in an ICU.

BUT MUUUUUH ICU BEED PANIIIIIIIIIIIC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12296447
Gotta 3d print more ventilators and covid masks

>>12296457
What for? Those 5400 deaths were not ICU candidates.

>>12296094
>but only because it had an unusually low number of deaths last year, so these deaths moved to the first half of 2020
That's not how death works anon...

>>12296135
Do keep in mind that most of the retarded "masks are a hoax and so is the virus" shit are coming from dumb fucking americans.

>>12296408
>no one with the latter.
I think you might be infected with the stupid anon...

>>12291333
with retards like this who needs a nuclear war to end humanity?

>>12291435
> we should use violence to suppress dissenting opinions and invonventient truths
>>>/pol/

>>12296486
Because they didn't have bentilators for them

>>12296530
But it is anon...

>>12296535
Masks are a)the symbol of dictatorship b)useless and harmful. Virus may be real or not, that does not change anything.

>>12295009
>>12294058
i dont have to explain shit, retards. it's a simple fact that nothing can be definitively inferred from data. you're making assumptions. i'm not saying they're bad, i'm just pointing out that they aren't facts.

>>12296611
anon thinks time until death is an exponential distribution

>>12282299
about as likely as you getting worthwhile scientific information from a journalist in 2020

>>12294325
no because the primers have to align with a viral gene segment from previous rt-pcr

>>12282850
Every US media is posting bullshit and scaremongering and half-understood science info, is that russian propaganda too?

This isn't a russian problem, it's a "we let the journalistic profession turn to shit and didn't fix it" problem, and it's global

>>12282433
it literally cannot kill you without major help. most harmless and overhyped pandemic in human history

>>12294240
>sneezes go right through cotton
1. no they don't
2. masks aren't made of cotton

>>12291465
different family, covid is part of the common cold family

>>12286889
You're a projecting retard if that makes you say "pol"

EVERY website like reddit, voat, twitter, digg, google news, fark, you name it- at least 50% of people read the headline, retain it as absolute fact if it fits what they already agree with, and forget everything else. Even if the top comment systematically proves everything about it false.

It's the whole internet, and your obsession with bogeymen is affecting your ability to think

>>12296618
>I defined masks as a conspiracy in my head, that proves they're a conspiracy!
Cover your fucking mouth when you sneeze like your mother told you for 25 years before you moved out

>>12296535
They don't come from Americans. Americans are targeted by the propaganda, which comes from internationalists who want to make "get back to work and make me money plague or no plague it doesn't matter if you die" a grassroots sentiment

And journalists, who should be a line of defense against such a thing, sold every ounce of their credibility being far-left sock puppets. Lie constantly for a decade and people don't listen to you when you tell the truth in the same creepy voice

>>12296939
Not that anon but I do cover my mouth and nose when I sneeze, so why the mask?

>>12296946
Cool conspiracy theory, but why are those internationalists only targeting America?

>>12291337
>they surpressed it
>coincidentally shows the exact pattern the seasonal flu does
Yeah I'm sure it was the lockdown and not the weather.

>>12296939
When you are imprisoned, robbed and forced to wear a muzzle, it does not matter if there is a secret evil plan, open evil plan or open stupidity behind it.

>>12296946
If you are afraid of covid, get back to work, if you are not, don't?

>>12297034
*not afraid, sorry

>>12295002
>>12296069
>Sweden had significant excess deaths without lockdown
That's simply wrong. They had a little more deaths than in the past few years, but just going back a little further we find years and months that were deadlier than anything in 2020, simply due to a bad flu season. Covid is a nothingburger.
https://emanuelkarlsten.se/number-of-deaths-in-sweden-during-the-pandemic-compared-to-previous-years-mortality/
https://emanuelkarlsten.se/why-is-the-swedish-strategy-so-different-the-most-frequently-asked-questions-about-swedens-coronavirus-strategy/

>>12282433
Why do all causes go up when covmeme goes up? Misdiagnosis actually works the other way?

>>12297048
their answer to that is "we're undercounting deaths", although I don't know what evidence there is of this besides there being more excess deaths than covid deaths

>>12296101
maybe this

Can someone explain to me like a retard what this "excess deaths" metric is, precisely. And why is it, apparently, the most important metric to consider?

>>12297047
This. It's basically worse-than-average year for them, but nowhere near worst in history.

>>12297057
Excess deaths are deaths that are above the average/predicted death count, based on previous years. It's a flawed metric because it does not give any information over the cause of death.

>>12297057
Well, if in some country yearly deaths are doubled, you can clearly see that something is wrong, even if the exact reason is unclear. And if deaths are the same, then you have a reason to think that it was simply counting people who dies because of some different reason as covid victims.

>>12297057

It's probability presented like a statistical fact. Excess Death is a p-value statement. And the person using it to justify lockdowns is being dishonest with it.

>>12297071
>It's a flawed metric because it does not give any information over the cause of death.
Except all you have to do is look at the numbers and that problem is solved.

>>12297047
>but just going back a little further
If by a little further you mean more than two decades, and if you limit it to a single month instead of an entire year, and you ignore that their neighbors have experienced no excess deaths.

>>12296396
Wait, did anyone ever forced people to go to work during the last year? Was it under gunpoint?

>>12297578
>and if you limit it to a single month instead of an entire year
Since this month was the absolute peak of covid deaths, focusing on the entire year will not help your cause.

>>12282433
dude i already got it and barely noticed. the flu is much more dangerous and i would actually notice it.

>>12294288
you can blame every little nonsensical thing on a 3rd world shithole whose oligarchs (rulers) live in europe and america, dumbfuck xenophobic imperialist

>>12288998
dude you instantly started talking about pol from no where stfu you find the article easily which means your post is centred on your first sentence

>>12296901
more like you're a gaslighting propagandist retard who needs better tactics

>>12294768
Cellphone data proves you wrong.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8436559/Only-10-BLM-protesters-town-contradicting-outside-agitators-claims.html

Seriously, you right wingers are anti science retards.

>>12282433
Confidence level of you and your fellow experts is very low, how about factoring real cases to provide accurate data.

You know what I mean, Shark eats man experts say he died of Covid-19, really tired of hearing "my bad" misidentified that one

>>12297786
That website cites this study:
https://f.hubspotusercontent40.net/hubfs/4309344/MW%20Protester%20Demographic%20Analysis.pdf

Now kill yourself

>>12294832
>what is a social contract
ask me how i know you are american

>>12294622
post your peer reviewed data or you are a schizoid

>>12299714
"cover your mouth all the time so you don't breathe on people because there's a small chance you have a virus" has never been part of the social contract

>>12291435
>They will drive you and your entire nation right off a cliff if you let them have any power. They need to be crushed with a boot to their fucking faces.
You are, by definition, a fascist. Grats

>>12295462
I will because it's gonna kill a lot of frail old people who thought they were important

>>12291474
anon you dont get to claim other people are NPCs when your world view is based on a fictional narrative only loosely associated to reality

>>12296385
I've lost 20 pounds this year from not being able to find work I'm an underweight Pollack shouldn't happen

>>12299720
1) Notice I said a social contract, not the social contract. Youre really doubling down on the american stereotype.

2) Social contracts are a theory, not an organized and inviolate piece of legislature.

3) They apply to literally all social interactions where a general system of rules of behaviour is being established.

So yes wearing a mask can become and is now part of the social contract in western society because society has deemed it so.

>>12299762
if it can just change willy-nilly then "contract" is a very poor metaphor for what you're describing

>>12282463
Reminder mask wearing causes acne.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7300566/

>>12300851
And COVID-19 causes pneumonia.

>>12300857
Rather be dead than ugly.

>>12300875
You're probably already ugly, so you might as well not wait for COVID-19.

>>12300875
Who would ever want to see your face anyway, acne or not, you incel

>>12300881
>>12300897
Projectors.

>>12296978
They arent, there has been a fuckload of similar misinformation and propaganda here in Australia too we just weren't dumb enough to fall for it.