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/sfg/ - Space Flight General
A general for SPACE FLIGHT
Don't go off the rails again bros
PREVIOUS: >>12273868
--UPDATES--
• Raptor SN36 installed on SN8
• Concrete and Nitrogen delivered to Boca Chica
• Ariane 6 delayed (yes we all expected it)
• Rhetoric over Results
• SLS delayed (no this is not a joke, it was supposed to do its test this week)
• China will probably launch a rocket in the next week without telling anyone
• Blue Origin fixed a problem with their turbopumps; more importantly they fixed the clogged pump to the break room coffee machine
• Canada probably did something with their little arm?

>> No.12277197

ahem... FUCK SLS

>> No.12277200

First for gaystation 1

>> No.12277202
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Reminder that SLS will reach orbit before Starship

>> No.12277203
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>>12277102
>giant Merlins
ara ara~

>> No.12277204 [DELETED] 

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.12277205
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12277205

Xth for Starshuttle

>> No.12277207

>>12277205
Extremely cursed, but I'm still hard.

>> No.12277208
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AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>> No.12277213

>>12277205
Starship Transportation System

>> No.12277218

>>12277213
Maybe they can reuse some of the components for a more traditional TSTO stack. We could call it the Starship Launch System.

>> No.12277221

>>12277213
Starship Lift Service

>> No.12277229

>>12277187
>Ariane 6 delayed
>SLS delayed
Which next-gen rocket will make it to orbit first now?

>> No.12277236

new Sochi vid! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hempnDxiEAw

>> No.12277237
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>>12277229
Starship. The H O P is the last thing standing in the way before full speed ahead on SuperHeavy.

>> No.12277241

>>12277229
now that the BE-4 is fixed, vulcan could still be serious competition for starship

>> No.12277242

>>12277213
>>12277218
>>12277221
Business idea: Expendable Starship

>> No.12277244

>>12277242
Literally not worth it. 37 raptors is way too much to throw away per flight.

>> No.12277245

>>12277236
*soichi

SPAYYCCCEEX-UHHH

in this epsiudoe he stands next to the booster on display at space center Houston

>> No.12277251

>>12277244
if they're really $2 million apiece then it could be cost-effective compared to any rocket besides F9/FH

>> No.12277256

>>12277244
28, and monetarily it's not that bad but I agree that they won't do it

>> No.12277262

>>12277241
How? It still uses precision machined aluminum tanks and discarded fairings, it's still going to use a hydromeme upper (Cent-V first then maybe ACES later), it will still have a much slower turnaround time. It's LEO payload is less than half that of Falcon Heavy. It's projected launch cost could be up to the ballpark of $200 mil.

How is a rocket that offers half the performance of FH at (potentially) double the cost competitive with Starship?

>> No.12277263

>>12277262
i meant serious competition to get to orbit first

>> No.12277265

>>12277242
If it creates thousands of American jobs you got a deal

>> No.12277267

>>12277262
>It's LEO payload is less than half that of Falcon Heavy
They're already speccing out a Vulcan Heavy lol. I don't think F9 full thrust existed when they were designing the rocket.

>> No.12277268

>>12277237
Not too long ago the idea that SS would reach orbit before SLS or F9/FH competitors like Vulcan/NG/Ariane 6 would seem like a bad joke considering how much lead time there was to make up. If it actually happens the oldspace cope will reach unheard of levels.

>> No.12277269

>>12277242
>>12277244
>>12277251
>The year is 2025
>Upon hearing that Elon Musk once ate at a Chinese restaurant, President Tom Cotton orders the nationalization of SpaceX, before turning over their assets to ULA at a massive discount
>ULA decides to scrap reusability, declaring "space is hard"
>Instead, they sign a contract with the Air Force to mass produce expendable Starships for $5 billion a rocket
>Meanwhile, NASA prepares for the SLS hot fire test

>> No.12277270

>>12277256
>28
They up-rated the thrust per engine again? Damn, that's crazy.
>$64 million for all the engines on a 150t FULLY reusable TSTO

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>>12277265
Absolutely based. Get this man a contract!

>> No.12277288
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>>12277286
>Shelby
>alive in 2025

>> No.12277289

>>12277263
Depends on how long ULA will take to painstakingly manufacture their lithium-aluminum components, and whether or not their timetable will slip by large margins as has happened in the past with Oldspace. Vulcan is certainly more ambitious than SLS, but it's been in full development for six years now the fact that it's supposedly almost complete is impressive compared to SLS to be sure.
>>12277267
I assume you don't mean the Vulcan Heavy which is the one with 6x SRBs, but the speculative Vulcan set up like Delta-IV and Falcon Heavy with two strap-on cores for boosters? If the costs are relatively similar for all of those, it will then end up costing more like four or six times more than Falcon Heavy, but even if it could hoist twice as much payload as normal Vulcan, say 60-80 tons, that will then still leave it behind Starship which will start flying at 100 tons with a theoretical uprating capability of 150 tons, and at a lower price point with full vehicle reusability while Vulcan still discards the core stage tank and it's upper stage.

>> No.12277291

>>12277288
>shelby
>not a vampire

>> No.12277292

>>12277289
>I assume you don't mean the Vulcan Heavy which is the one with 6x SRBs, but the speculative Vulcan set up like Delta-IV and Falcon Heavy with two strap-on cores for boosters?
Yes, the Vulcan Chubby.

>> No.12277295

>>12277291
Elon will personally stake him to his coffin by daylight.

>> No.12277299

>>12277292
Also apparently ACES is on ice right now, so that's going to somewhat limit Vulcan's maximum payload capability by how much the Centaur-V upper can push into orbit without spending too long burning.

>> No.12277302
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>Uses mass engine clustering like the N1 (which exploded every time it launched) and untested meme fuels instead of something reliable like solid rocket boosters or hydrolox
How are you planning to celebrate when the Starship RUDs on the launchpad? Just face it, the SLS is far more reliable and safe than the StN1ship will ever be.

>> No.12277310

>>12277302
>so completely blown out by the fact his ship is shit and costs too much that he hopes for the failure of another endevour into space.
I hope both of the launched to well... because even them SLS will sill be shit.

>> No.12277313

>>12277299
As you can adjust the launch profile of the first stage for a higher initial apogeum and the twin engine Centaur-V, I'd expect the burn time of the Centaur to not be much of an issue.

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>>12277295
>A Spacex Ninja apprehends Senator Shelby after he escaped to his expendable moonbase, 2025

>> No.12277315

>>12277302
Rockets can't even fly in space anyway as there is nothing for them to push against.

>> No.12277317

>>12277315
Space isn't real anon don't believe the big corporations.

>> No.12277319

>>12277317
Nothing is real, reject the false reality of the demiurge.

>> No.12277334
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12277334

Business idea: land lunar starship on Moon, remove engines, renovate fuel tanks, convert ship into a lunar skyscraper to be used for colonization. Thoughts? Could it be done?

>> No.12277339

>>12277334
You're the first. Wow nice plan. No one totally thought that years before you

>> No.12277343

>>12277319
I am the only thing that is real, the universe is a I am the firmament and in me the universe exists as an illusion

>> No.12277357

>>12277205
KILL IT

>> No.12277363

>>12277334
Any lunar colony would be underground at first to protect from radiation.

>> No.12277368

>>12277315
>Rockets can't even fly in space anyway as there is nothing for them to push against.

kek, what is conservation of momentum?

>> No.12277374

>>12277368
Trollposts get answered with troll answers.

>> No.12277385

Reflections on SN8 looks clean as fuck
https://youtu.be/fCDaG9xZluE?t=451

>> No.12277394
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Crew-1 now scheduled for November 14th
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-spacex-invite-media-to-crew-1-mission-update-target-new-launch-date

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>>12277394
>Crew 1 delayed to the 14th
SCRUBX IS FUCKING USELESS AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.12277404

>>12277400
It was previously
ahem
indefinite on the range

>> No.12277405

>>12277394
Also getting info on merlin problem

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>>12277405
cool. Any guesses regarding what the issue was?

>> No.12277416

>>12277394
It over spacexbros I think we should have let Boeing deal with with space by itself after all.

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>>12277394
how insane is it going to be when the starship is parked next to ISS

>> No.12277424

>>12277412
Probably ULA-snipers, the SpaceX ninjas are working on it allready.

>> No.12277427

>>12277423
>when the ISS is docked at the starship

>> No.12277428

Starlink public beta invites sent out today

>> No.12277432

>>12275020
Based and Archer pilled. Those without faith of the heart don't deserve to go to space, and especially don't deserve any exopussy

>> No.12277437

>>12277423
That big window on starship is a pipedream, it will never happen

>> No.12277440

>>12277385
It's a cool bonus how the shiny exterior helps reflect reentry heat.

>>12277120
>They're reinstalled already and 600whos are on suicide watch
wait, the removed raptor has been reinstalled?

>> No.12277441

>>12277437
Do you a lack an imagination or something?

>> No.12277448

>>12277416
serious question how does boeing not see this and not feel like total retards

>> No.12277456

>>12277242
>Business idea: Expendable Starship

What the fuck do you want to loft into orbit/space that is heavy enough to justify it?

>> No.12277465

>>12277423
Starship should be used to boost the ISS to a graveyard orbit when it finally gets retired, so it can be the feature piece of the orbital campus of the Smithsonian

>> No.12277470

>>12277440
>wait, the removed raptor has been reinstalled?
That's what NSF says and that's where the freakout came from in the first place

>> No.12277475

>>12277270
If their efforts pan out SS is going to change how everyone approaches rocket construction. For the past few decades the notion has been "time and cost don't matter, make everything as expensive as possible". So you get hygromeme 1st stages and isogrids using expensive metals. Then Elon comes along and makes a ship out of cheap-as-dirt steel.

>>12277334
>>12277339
I've actually not heard specifically the "gut the tanks and engines" bit. I doubt it would be that straightforward, but pretty cool if they could make it work. Would be a super comfy home.

>>12277437
feels like they'd need an emergency system like you see in movies when a window breaks and people get sucked out.

>> No.12277476
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>SpaceX Raptor outperforms and BTFOs the BE-4 (Somewhere in the near future, anime'd)
>>12277205
This seriously looks like something you would've seen in those lego mars mission sets. Just paint it white and make the glass orange.

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>>12277315
>t.

>> No.12277486

The government should kill people who lack body hair

>> No.12277505

>>12277236
i wish i could speak moonrunes
i've always wanted to learn but the only language-learning I'm not too lazy to do is use Duolingo, which is pretty shit for asian languages.

>> No.12277510

Starlink public beta is out
https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/jitefj/i_just_officially_received_an_email_invite_to_the/

>> No.12277517

>>12277476
BE-4 is way better for resuablity than Raptor.
>>12277465
Nah bring it down to ground!
>>12277456
Giant rotating habitats. Use starship as habitat, future starship mission to recover the raptors.
>>12277428
I too visit red*it. I hate most of it, but spacexlounge and starlink subs are comfy.

>> No.12277530

>>12277314
If you've read the comic you know that was an expendable decoy robot Dracula.

>> No.12277539

>>12277448
They do feel like retards now.

>>12277456
I can see it for really serious torch ship construction for 250+ tons of engine and shielding, if you're nervous about nuclear boosters.

>> No.12277540

>>12277456
Bulk material for assembly in early orbital factories. Rolls of steel, aluminum, kevlar, as well as cables and straps and vacuum welding and fastening equipment and vacuum tolerant adhesives to rapidly manufacture super-large pressurized habitats. In the end, while Elon has so far completely rejected the idea of ever expending a Starship or Superheavy booster for any reason, I think you could at least justify such an expenditure to rapidly accelerate the development of large scale orbital infrastructure.
It would have to be a later generation of Starships though, as is it wouldn't be worth it since the production cycle isn't under way yet.

>> No.12277546

>>12277486
Wrong, they should instate mandatory body hair waxing for all. Body hair is a cancer that must be exterminated.

>> No.12277549

>>12277546
Nah, just crotch hair.

>> No.12277559
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12277559

>>12277437
Give me picture related (pic rel) why not

>> No.12277570

>>12277549
>Telling people you’re a pedophile

>> No.12277573

>>12277546
Body hair is awesome and makes you look cooler. You’re some kinda weird pedophile creature

>> No.12277583

>>12277517
>BE-4 is way better for resuablity than Raptor.
isn't the entire point of FFSC reusability?

>> No.12277593

Why no sex in space experiments yet

>> No.12277598
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12277598

What is /sfg/'s opinion on Ringworlds? How practical are they? Would be cool as shit to build one with like a 100km diameter. How fucking cool would that shit be?

>> No.12277601

>>12277593
imagine the bouncing tiddiies

>>12277598
they're a material science nightmare. But if given enough time maybe we could do something like that

>> No.12277602

>>12277598
I mean they are cool as fuck and obviously better than o'neil cylinders if you have the capability to build something of that scope. But who the fuck has that capability. If we meet a alien race with a Halo ring I guarantee you they will be mega autists with no social skills

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>>12277602
>But who the fuck has that capability
Drones running on preset construction rules being run by AI to collect resources from the Asteroid belt, refine them, and then construct parts, rinse repeat until it's done?

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>>12277610
Ah yes simple

>> No.12277613

>>12277517
>BE-4 is way better for resuablity than Raptor.
Not true, BE-4 uses oxygen rich staged combustion and needs much tighter seals in its pump plumbing which need to be inspected and maintained.

>> No.12277615

>>12277602
>Anyone better than me must have no social skills

Cope

>> No.12277667

>>12277615
Your making fun of me for making a strawman out of aliens? Lmao

>> No.12277672

>>12277667
You're.... fuck
>>12277613
I want a Hullo video breaking down the newest generation of methane engines. He does a good job deconstructing spaceflight tech because he knows what he is talking about and it isnt some spacex fag in front of a camera with his gaming mic covering half his face

>> No.12277696

>>12277667
Yeah fuck you
I want to worship aliens as gods and fantasize about them every day

>> No.12277703

>>12277672
He already did.

>> No.12277716

>>12277570
Lemme clarify:
>*ahem*
No genital hair. I don't mind some brush, but the lips better not have more beard than whatever twitter liberal was whining about "MUH GIBS".
>>12277593
Blood doesn't flow right in space so erections can't happen. Though I do wonder if it's possible to get a girl off in space.
>>12277598
They're fucking awesome, but we'd have to have advanced for millions of years to start building them.

>> No.12277719

>>12277696
Are you a Swede by any chance?

>> No.12277743

>>12277716
>but the lips better not have more beard than whatever twitter liberal was whining about "MUH GIBS".

Pedophile. Hairy pussy is the best. Your brain has been warped by porn.

>> No.12277749

>>12277719
no im american

>> No.12277757

>>12277743
Not him, but there’s a balance to be had. Nobody like simultaneously flossing while they’re going down on a girl.

>> No.12277767

>>12277757
>Nobody like simultaneously flossing while they’re going down on a girl.

Speak for yourself.

>> No.12277771
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>>12277559
not that anon but space windows are heavy and thick

ISS has larger windows but the bezels get wide as fuck

I don't think spacex is going to do much better than the moonship windows. And even those could be cut down for nasa missions like dragon 2

>> No.12277776

>>12277771
The ISS’ cupola has weird deplorable blast shields or whatever to block radiation

>> No.12277779

Fuck boing

>> No.12277793
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>>12277510
For those who don't want to visit Reddit:
It's called the Better Than Nothing Beta.
>Estimated speeds 50Mbps to 150Mbps
>Estimated latency 20ms to 40ms
>Some interruptions in connectivity to be expected
>$499 for the phased array antenna and router
>$99 per month subscription
>No mention of data caps

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>>12277598
Love 'em.

>> No.12277803

>>12277793
Subscription is a little more pricey than I hoped but FUCK Telstra, once they get 100% uptime over Australia those cunts can get fucked.

>> No.12277806

>>12277803
Is that an Australian ISP?

>> No.12277807

Why do people cry about "omg speed of light is such a limitation we can never explore galaxy in a single lifetime".
Time dilation makes it moot.
If you travel at .99999999999999.. c, then you *can* explore the galaxy in a single lifetime.

>> No.12277809

>>12277803
It's the earliest public version of Starlink, subscription will obviously go down in price later.

>> No.12277819

>>12277807
but then you would also jump to the causal distant future and be unable to report your findings back

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>>12277807
My poop leaves my butthole at 0.9c

>> No.12277831

>>12277819
>be unable to report your findings back
Why the fuck does that matter. I'm exploring all the cool stuff and those cunts back on urf can go off themselves for all I care

>> No.12277832

>>12277806
Yeah, they have an effective monopoly on rural Internet since its pretty much all 4g and the other service providers cell tower game is shit. They are gigantic giga kikes and I look forward to the screeching from their pr branch as every single rural cunt gives them the finger.

>> No.12277833

>>12277819
You don’t time travel by going really fast, time just slows down for you

>> No.12277837

>>12277832
Hopefully they don't have enough sway with your government to delay Starlink's approval to operate there.

>> No.12277841

>>12277833
And it passes normally for everyone else while you're cruising to something 10,000 light years away.

>> No.12277855

>>12277807
somebody posted this song the other day and I think it fits your question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaLe1ZZ97S0

>> No.12277856

https://twitter.com/BadAstronomer/status/1320764245018091520

What a fag. Pretty sure this guy was the prototype I fucking love Science soijack

>> No.12277860

>>12277856
the things these ppl choose to get worked up over. who has the enrrgy for that?

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>>12277855
Now I'm gonna go to bed sad, anon

>> No.12277865

>>12277860
>the things people choose to get worked up over
>who has the energy for that?
4chan.org

>> No.12277867

>People still spazzing out about Twitter shitheads

>> No.12277871 [DELETED] 

Daily reminder to exercise so you’re not a fat disgusting retard or a skinnyfat diminutive soiboy

>> No.12277876

>>12277871
go back to /fit/

>> No.12277877

>>12277793
Neat. Slightly more expensive than I predicted but I can work with it. It's probably wise to price it not higher to avoid the demand spike.

How they reduced the price down the road

>> No.12277878

>>12277871
If I’m 6’3”, can I really still be considered diminutive if I’m skinnyfat?

>> No.12277879

>>12277876
Go kill yourself for not having an exercise habit

>> No.12277880

>>12277877
Price it higher*

Beta demand would be insane if they price it at $50 (monthly)/$250(antenna)

>> No.12277881

>>12277879
Go kill yourself because of childhood trauma.

>> No.12277882

>>12277871
I'll just maintain my caloric restriction skellymode

>> No.12277885

>>12277540
Regular shipments of bulk materials are the absolutely last case use of an expendable rocket. Why would you waste a $100m rocket to launch 200t when you could launch 150t for $2m over and over and over?

The only use for an expendable Starship would be for a deep space probe where recovery would be impractical (although in most cases you would just factor a kickstage into the payload capacity) or for something meant to permanently stay in vacuum like Moonship. Everything else will need TPS and aero surfaces.

For a rare megastructure/large ship component weighing more than 150t and not able to be assembled in orbit, it'll just wait until the 18m Starship. Beyond that point orbital assembly will be functioning to an extent that everything will be built in orbit anyway.

>> No.12277888

>>12277881
Cool projection

>> No.12277891

>>12277888
Nobody cares about your hobbies. If you want everyone to know you like meat and working out go post on about it on facebook or something.

>> No.12277893

>>12277793
$500 for the terminal is pretty high for outdoor equipment and self installation, it had better come with a good warranty.
They need to get the monthly cost down before wide release too, or at least have a cheaper package with lower speeds. If they could do 25-50Mbps for $50/mo with good connectivity they would instantly obliterate every single rural ISP.

>> No.12277899

>>12277203
incorrect, just add more Raptors
if you need more thrust, just decrease the expansion ratio a bit and add some bigger turbopumps, this will get you more thrust in the same area

>> No.12277903

>>12277404
not the only one lmao

>> No.12277908

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/starlink/id1537177988

>> No.12277914

>>12277891
You can’t go to space if you’re physically subpar anon

>> No.12277917

Starlink app on iOS

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/starlink/id1537177988

>> No.12277919

>>12277908
>>12277917
Bruh.

>> No.12277920

>>12277917
No Android?

>> No.12277924

>>12277908
>>12277917
I mean don’t I need a fucking antenna to connect to it?

>> No.12277926

>>12277914
Nobody here will go to space.

>> No.12277928

>>12277920
Yup it's on playstore too.
It's finally happening.

>> No.12277932

>>12277893
Phased array antenna is very expensive, actually it's amazing they can sell at $500.

>> No.12277936

>>12277932
nobody's needed one that's cheap before

>> No.12277938

>>12277926
Not with that attitude

>> No.12277939

>>12277938
What if I told you we're already in space, little man?

>> No.12277942

>>12277924
Of course it needs a fucking antenna. There's no Ku/Ka band receivers on cell phones.
Not yet anyways.
It's control software for your dish.

>> No.12277944

>>12277932
$500 is the price of a mid-range phone, I don't know why people make a fuss about this. Besides, unlike phones, you're not supposed to buy a replacement for the antenna every 2-3 years.

>> No.12277945

>>12277920
>>12277928
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.starlink.mobile

>> No.12277954

Bruh starlink is gonna kill isps
This will be huge

>> No.12277959

>>12277942
It was more of a rhetorical question like “why are you posting the link here when no one has antenna”
Is it a big deal that the link is now on the app store? I thought it’s been there for months now

>> No.12277961

>>12277959
Sorry, it's early morning and I slept like shit.

>> No.12277962

>>12277959
People have started receiving the antennas

>> No.12277969

>>12277932
>>12277944
It's not terrible but it's steep compared to typical installation/equipment fees and normies just see the price.
If they can't get the price down before wide release they just need to have a solid warranty or lease option on it because a certain percentage of them WILL get damaged by weather, especially if they're going to rely on customers to self install them.

>> No.12277975

>>12277954
It won't kill them all, in dense cities and even many suburbs fiber still makes way more sense. It will force them to get off their asses and upgrade their infrastructure though.

>> No.12277986

>>12277610
>ai
haha magic thing that find solution go brr

>> No.12277998

>>12277205
>sidemount
Kill yourself and what you conjured.

>> No.12278001

>>12277598
Like all sci-fi wankery. It can "kinda work" if you hand wave all the minor technical details. Just like how trivial warp travel is if you had access to abundant exotic energy...

>> No.12278005

>>12277885
>why would you use $100m rocket to
Reduced launch count which is all that matters. Reduced risk to human lives and mission integrity. This is why even today countries including the United States continue to develop and optimize advanced high efficient one-use rockets that could allow us to reach Mars one day.

>> No.12278008

>>12278005
more money for less launches, it's the oldspace way

>> No.12278009

>>12278005
Wat

>> No.12278012

>>12277803
Costs are complicated but I think Starlink will compete with Xfinity and other cable prices in the US while offering much lower prices to some parts of the world where access would be transformative but the present economy cant support the developed nations cost.

>> No.12278013

>>12278009
mo money for less launches

>> No.12278016
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People who thinks $500 for a phased array antenna is expensive have no idea what they are talking about:

>Kymeta: $18,000 for antenna / 5GB data / 1-4Mpbs / $345 monthly

>Starlink: $500 for antenna & terminal / 50-100Mpbs / $99 monthly

Starlink will destroy every other satellite internet companies

>> No.12278019

>>12277598
By the time we're capable of building them, it won't matter how practical or impractical they are, we'd be able to build them just for the sake of building them.

>> No.12278032

>>12277969
>but it's steep compared to typical installation/equipment fees

I've lived in several countries and once they've jewed you with a whole shitload of kike fees you are usually looking at ~300-400 for a new connection at a new house.

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I've come to make an announcement. Shadow the hedgehog's a bitch ass motherfucker.

>> No.12278100

>>12278070
DROPPPLEEETS

>> No.12278111

Hairy pubes > waxed

>> No.12278112

hop when

>> No.12278117

Musk will forge the entire nosecone out of ALON just to spite naysayers

>> No.12278119

>>12278117
gonna forge my dick out of ALON

>> No.12278123

>>12277598
Very cool, would prefer a Birchworld.
>>12277793
Extremely nice. Much better prices than I was expecting.
Can now live out in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.
>>12277807
How long would it feel like for a person actually traveling at just a hair beneath lightspeed to go from Earth to an adjacent star?

>> No.12278127

>>12278123
it's highly variable with your actual percentage of lightspeed but honestly you'd never make it due to every loose molecule or atom of hydrogen floating around out there acting like a particle beam

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what could it mean

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>> No.12278137

>>12278111
neatly trimmed > jungle bush

>> No.12278139

>>12278137
JAV mommy trim > bush

>> No.12278149

>>12278135
I've never been so hype for anything to fly, not even Falcon heavy.

>> No.12278151

>>12278149
I look at it and it terrifies me
I cannot wait for it to fly

>> No.12278154

>>12277855
I don't want to go back though!

>> No.12278159

>>12277598
100km diameter with a 1g artificial gravity is doable in term of current material science (using carbon fibers, steel is bad for these applications).
Ringworlds or Orbitals? No way

>> No.12278192

>>12277202
I would not be so sure about that. Define orbit. Above the Karman line?

>> No.12278193

So what happens tomorrow with starship SN8? Another static fire?

>> No.12278194

>>12278159
>using non-repairable stealth de-lamination failure prone material for your orbital habitat

>> No.12278196

>>12278192
it needs to go around
it has to have a measurable periapse and apoapse above the notional atmosphere

>> No.12278202

>>12278135
Suborbital until end of year.

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>>12277776
>deplorable

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What is so spcial about Mary? She is documenting the event, so what? So can thousands of other photographers who have more skill


Pic related the only picture i found of her.

>> No.12278205

>>12278203
they are absolutely deplorable, those cuck-covers are simply abominable

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>>12278204
no that's that fucking retarded boomer Maria Pointer

>> No.12278210
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Will Boca Chica become one big gigafactory?

>> No.12278215

>>12278196
Ok then probably you're right if you mean a complete orbit. But Starship will cross the Karman line first.

>> No.12278217

>>12278135
overhyped silo
meanwhile russians are still the best at delivering humans to space.

>>12278210
cringe

>> No.12278218

>>12278204
is that her husband? top kek if yes

>> No.12278219

>>12278215
I think Starship will beat SLS to even that

>> No.12278220

>>12278218
it is. Ever wondered why she never shows her face?
Usually women LOVE attention and post selfies except when there is a good reason not to

>> No.12278221

>>12277776
You're correct. Not basking in the grossly incandescent direct cosmic radiation is deplorable.

>> No.12278229

>>12277856
he is not wrong though. who gives a crap about water on some fucking rock

Nasa is such a shit company, dont they have better things to do *COUGH* SLS *COUGH*

>> No.12278241

>>12277202
The Chad tax payer funded fund embezzlement rocket system
>in development for 20 years
>financial reports are hidden under several hundred thousand pages of non-reviewed paperwork
>4 billion dollars/y r&d money
>uses museum piece rocket engines so no r&d has to be done whatsoever
>stir welding system so advanced its building had to be built twice
>2 billion dollar/launch and can put it up almost once every year like a real chad who gives no fuck about space
>all rocket schedule experts envy it
>never exploded
>expendable launch pad
>literally built to make money
>might fly to orbit in 2021

The virgin privately funded mars colon program
>in development for 2 years
>financial report is a memo about a cash purchase from scrapyard in TX
>approximately 200k dollars/y r&d and that includes the taco and pizza expenses for the workers
>uses unproven DIY'd rocket engines
>Hick N' Spic hand welding and cold setting techniques literally a toddler with a hammer can do it
>2 million/dollar launch and like a real coomer can do it every day
>all rocket schedule experts make fun of it
>exploded dozen times and will continue to do so
>flame and cryo resistant rust iron reusable launch pad
>literally built to go to a dead irradiated wasteland
>will fly to orbit in 2021

>> No.12278245

>>12278241
>currently planned to fly to orbit in 2021
>will be having a rethink on that and pushing it down the road a little bit to soak up some more tax dollars

>> No.12278254

>>12278016
One of the biggest initial doubts would be that they'd never be able to hit 1k for a phased array antenna, now they're half that. I imagine they sell at a loss and some of the cost is subsidized in the subscription, but it's still seriously impressive.

>> No.12278270

>>12278210
Needs more solar. Or a farm producing organic tesla tomatoes.

>> No.12278293

>>12277776
You meant deployable?
Because they seem admirable to me.

>> No.12278295

>>12278241
>mars colon program
The literal ass end of the solar system?

>> No.12278312

>SpaceX valuation goes over 100 billion due to Starlink

Nice

>> No.12278350

>>12277797
while that is cool... wouldn't the sun be blocked after the first one?

>> No.12278354

>>12277315
lmfao gets me everytime

>> No.12278361

>>12278312
That's projected future valuation. Current valuation is $45B.

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>>12278218
>>12278220
no that's Maria Pointer
this is BocaChicaGal/Mary

>> No.12278371

>>12278312
>>12278361
As soon as they go public I'm buying some, with the military extremely interested in using starlink for datalink it's going to make a fortune.

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>>12278241
>>12278295
>mars colon program
here's your new crewmate bro
>>12278362
>all those cameras
>"magic time" at sunset
kino

>> No.12278374

So anybody else us yelowstone supereruption in a discussion when lefty fags talk about "we need to fix things here before we go to space" rhetoric?
It shuts them up most of the time and they change the subject.

>> No.12278378

>>12278374
Nah, I mainly point out that there are plenty of threats to mankind, some solved by going interplanetary while others would require we go interstellar.

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>>12278210
fuck your apple rectangle, I want open-air industrial shipyard aesthetic

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>>12278374
You should raise the stakes by then telling them that the New Madrid fault line is behind schedule. Quakes are felt a lot farther in that part of the country, also there are reports that the top ten feet of the ground just hopped up and flipped over.
It's probably late because all those fracking quakes in Oklahoma keep blowing off its stress.

>> No.12278389

>>12278385
>Building spaceships on Earth
fuck that, orbital shipyards will be the real kino

>> No.12278395

>>12278386
This, the way i see it earth could become a very hostile place for humanity in the next couple of ages, even if we fix all our shit and "climate meme change" is stopped.
Humanity has a really short window to become a multiplanet species and not go extinct on this rock but instead people are arguing about what toilet a degenerate can use.

>> No.12278397

>>12278385
Enterprise being built on ground was the stupidest part of the movie.

>> No.12278398

>>12278350
It is addressed by adding the "artificial lighting" research option, without which you can't build further rings.

>> No.12278403

>>12278397
That's only the lens-flare timeline.
Otherwise most ships in Star Trek are build in space.

>> No.12278405

hm /g/ is being slightly less retarded this time around when discussing Starlink

>> No.12278407

>>12278374
I'd be less concerned about yellowstone and more about flood bassalt volcano forming slowly under Iceland. Yellowstone is the nearly dead ember of a much older flood bassalt, each of the eruptions we know as Yellowstone were really just the post-eruption puffs of a much larger and more powerful volcano. While Yellowstone may not even have the juice to go off ever again, once the Iceland Flood Bassalt is ready to blow it's a guaranteed mass extinction event for 90%+ of Earth life.
No amount of solar panels or green energy will solve that problem, there is not a number of climate telescopes that can be launched which will prevent it from erupting, once it starts going off we've got a pretty hard 100,000 year deadline before the beginning of a total collapse of the biosphere.

>> No.12278408

>>12278159
all those stupid sci fi contraptions (looking at you isaac arthur) fall flat on their faces once you realise that building a 100km rotating ring with 1g would be equivalent to building a 100km long bridge on earth with no support structure
not gonna happen

>> No.12278409

We should build a lightweight MSR for powering a homemade nuclear thermal rocket

>> No.12278412

>>12277797
Did they fix the fundamental game issues or is it it still
>wack'a'fleet once and it's over
I remember playing it and two things made me buttmad - retarded ai and colony management and whoever has the bigger doomstack overwhelmingly wins. Very badly designed game.

>> No.12278413

>>12278395
>Humanity has a really short window to become a multiplanet species
whites are already only 12% of the world population, its dropping fast, if it goes below 5% you can say goodbye to space exploration

>> No.12278416

>>12278405
>trusting comcast shills and urban zoomers whose "internet' is basically LAN few blocks away to comment on the pros and cons of starlink

>> No.12278417

>>12278407
tldr on that flood bassalt volcano? never heard of it

>> No.12278419

>>12278408
>would be equivalent to building a 100km long bridge on earth with no support structure
That's not actualy true, the ring would only experience tensile stress while a bridge experiences bending stress, wich is a significant difference.
Allthough 100 km diameter would be ludicrous and overkill.
Something like 100 m however would be doable.

>> No.12278422

>>12278413
Someday in the distant future the proto space elves will stumble on earth after following a faint radio signal and discover a tomb world.
And they will laugh at us for going extinct while we had all the means to leave this rock.

>> No.12278428

>>12278417
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st_2C_Wrw4A
On some of the historical eruptions and the material evidence for their existence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrbdYcNTo7Y
General overview of the "mantle plume" hypothesis for flood basalt formation.

>> No.12278430

>>12278428
good, a super volcano blowing up under NYC would solve all world problems

>> No.12278433

>>12278408
No? In term of basic mechanical engineering, if you have a material with a high enough specific strength (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specific_strength)), you can build a 100km ring and spin it, and it will hold.

>> No.12278450

>>12278433
yeah and because of that some people just invent supermaterials which can do everything and are produced with not a single atom error
same thing with space elevators, although obviously they could work on planets or moons smaller than earth

>> No.12278464

>>12278374
shut the fuck up retard

>> No.12278471

I read somewhere SpaceX is only 10% women. How based is that??

>> No.12278473

>>12278450
My point was that a 100km ring was feasible with current materials, even if we obviously don't have the industrial capacity to do it now.

>> No.12278477

>>12278471
90% based.

>> No.12278490

>>12278374
These fucking idiots forget that mass extinction events are routine. And we're due for one. They're so absorbed in their luxury beliefs and irrelevant minutia that they forget where they are. This universe is a dangerous place for life. Earth is about as good as it gets but it's just a microscopic oasis in an endless hostile expanse. And even this oasis breaks down from time to time.

The only hope humanity has for long-term survival is to 1. advance technologically to the point that we're no longer 100% at the mercy of this reality's whims and to 2. obtain the maturity to use said technological prowess constructively instead of against each other. This is obviously very difficult, which is why I believe that the great filter is real.

>> No.12278499

>>12278471
Elon needs to get on with his genetically engineered woman replacements already
Mars won’t survive without them for long

>> No.12278502

>>12278405
The only retarded shit about starlink I see often are people with access to cable / fiber acting like it's going to be a replacement.
It'll be great for remote areas still running DSL or GEO satellite.

>> No.12278509

>>12278473
oh i didn't knew that
still rules out megastructures but yeah you were right anon

>> No.12278511

>>12278471
Any meritocratic organization involved in working on highly demanding technical challenges is naturally going to be dominated by men. Not bowing to the modern corporate diversity initiative cult is very based, true

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>> No.12278543

About 3% of Starlink satellites have failed so far
https://phys.org/news/2020-10-starlink-satellites.html

>> No.12278544

>>12278499
Just make robots with wombs.

>> No.12278548

>>12278544
This.
Artificial womb research had progressed quite a bit in the last decade, it seems that by the time we will have developed everything needed to have a working humanoid robot installing a womb should be the least of ones worries.

>> No.12278557

>>12278544
>>12278548
>colonizing mars just to grow artificial people in test tubes
cringe

>> No.12278560

>>12278557
Can't fix mindvirus.

>> No.12278562

>>12278543
No, early versions were purposefully deorbited. Stop spreading that trash analysis, even McDowell complained that they were misusing his data

>> No.12278564

>>12278543
>"I would say their failure rate is not egregious. It's not worse than anybody else's failure rates. The concern is that even a normal failure rate in such a huge constellation is going to end up with a lot of bad space junk."
>"approximately a 1% chance per decade that any failed SpaceX satellite would collide with a piece of tracked debris."
Did you read your own source before acting like this is a dig deal?

>> No.12278565

>>12278543
3% of almost 1000.

>> No.12278567

>>12278543
>takes to the end of the entire article to point out that they will naturally de-orbit
>describes the process as "likely" and says "no guarantees"
Cool understanding of physics, phys.org

>> No.12278568

>>12278543
SpaceX BTFO
OneWeb bros here we come

>> No.12278570

>>12278544
>Not genetically engineered waifus
Homosexual

>> No.12278573

>>12278568
I know this is just a joke but OneWeb was bought out by the UK who doesn't even have the space funding to launch the constellation, they're squatting on the existing fragmentary network

>> No.12278575

>>12278137
Jungle bush is better than anything.

>> No.12278581

>>12278573
The UK have fully become the USAs bitch when it comes to aerospace. The US has pressured them to drop everything and has sold them fighters at a loss to kill local development.
It's sad to see a once world leader become a joke like this.

>> No.12278583

>>12278570
>not genetically engineered ai waifus
The best of both words the flesh of a biological creature and the ai mind.

>> No.12278584

>>12278548
>unironically wanting to grow people in tubes

>> No.12278585

>>12278581
>It's sad to see a once world leader become a joke like this.
USA in less than 10 years

>> No.12278587

>>12278581
To be fair Britain really stopped being one of the few major world powers after the decolonization effort bore fruit.

>> No.12278588

>>12278584
Better tubes than SJW marxist monsters.

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>>12278584
yes

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This is probably a retarded idea but what if instead of having to use an exercise bike and one of those micro-g weightlifting contraptions we built a Gravitron type thing on the Moon/Mars that colonists would spend some time in everyday?

>> No.12278592

>>12278588
"SJW marxist monsters" won't make it to Mars

>> No.12278601

>>12278591
>exercise bike for micro-g
This shit is why astronauts had brittle bones, boomer.
>micro-g
>mars
That ain't how that works either.

Something like this could be used if it turns out that some phase of development ABSOLUTELY requires 1g, but that isn't the case as far as we know right now.

>> No.12278603

>>12278590
You should switch over the “autistic ideas will never happen in reality” to transhumanism.

>> No.12278605

>>12278592
Human pelvis is not made for birthing human heads anyway.

>> No.12278610

>>12278603
Cope

>> No.12278614

>>12278605
Giving birth is a lot easier if you squat or sit on all fours. The way they do it in hospitals is literally the worst way.

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>>12278605
So what you are saying is, we need to urgently genetically engineer thicker women.

>> No.12278618

>>12278585
kek. In less than ten years cali refugees like Musk will make texas will be the third largest economy in the world

>> No.12278621

>>12278610
Seethe. At most, you’ll get some globohomo chip in your head that suppresses radical thoughts.

>> No.12278626

>>12278618
And in 5 it will be another blue shithole. making another exodus to another state. And texas will never vote right again.
Plunging the country ever faster into it's downward spiral.

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>>12278616
Based coomer

>> No.12278629

>>12278618
And it’ll become a Democrat shithole too with a billion homeless people and some white elites living in gated communities

>> No.12278635

>>12278601
You know what I meant. I originally just had the Moon but added Mars in after.

>This shit is why astronauts had brittle bones, boomer.
What are you talking about? Video from earlier this year of the bike being used on the ISS https://twitter.com/NASA_Johnson/status/1261288205808214017

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>>12278616

>> No.12278645

>>12278570
>Enter space on a homemade Nuclear rocket and go on space adventures
>Crew consists of various Anons from different boards and kemono women rescued from Elon’s hastily abandoned genelab, all trained in 4ASS space sailing (flight sims with Modded KSP running)

>> No.12278646

>>12278626
>>12278629
>implying
The movers are even redder than the residents. Cali is keeping the inner city and the corrupt and losing everything else.
In any case, that's kind of beside the point, which is that the next era is still going to be dominated by US companies as they throw off the previous yolk. Even if things go to shit in Texas again, they'll just move on to the next business-friendly state that literally begs them to come in.

>> No.12278651

>>12278645
stop, my space can only get so hard

>> No.12278653

>>12278635
>You know what I meant.
The two just don't track. You don't need specialty equipment on Mars, you need to lift heavier weights so you may need higher safety standards (because momentum is momentum), but that's about it.
>Video from earlier this year of the bike being used on the ISS
They might still be using it but it's now known not to be part of the solution for preserving muscle and bone mass.

>> No.12278657

>>12278575
That musty piss smell. Hnggghhh

>> No.12278658

>>12278653
>you need to lift heavier weights so you may need higher safety standards (because momentum is momentum), but that's about it.

A 500 pound weight here would be 190 pounds on Mars and can be treated as such for basically all circumstances.

>> No.12278661

>>12278646
>The movers are even redder than the residents.
You have no evidence of this, and simply looking at the businesses who are moving to texas most if not all of them are "liberal" leaning and have a lot of shitty "woke" practices which must be followed by the employees.
>. Even if things go to shit in Texas again, they'll just move on to the next business-friendly state that literally begs them to come in.
That is the problem they move to a state, ruin it, move to the next one and do the same thing, again and again and again. Destroying the country in the process.

>> No.12278665

>>12278657
>Piss goes upward

Take a shower if you have some weird deformity that makes you piss up

>> No.12278667

>>12278614
Cannot they place the woman in stirrups mimicking the full ass to grass squat position?

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I can't tell who's trolling who

>> No.12278670

Slow day again. Incels are fantasizing about artificial women

>> No.12278671

>>12278668
Any anon who shows up here to shitpost derail and harvest (you)s deserves to be rendered into pig feed.
Trolling is a art not a fucking career holy shit, give it a break once in a while.

>> No.12278672

>>12278193
I'd guess another pressure test, another static fire with new engine(s?), static fire from header tanks, then if that all goes well, the 15km flop.

>> No.12278673

>>12278665
>t. Never seen a vagina

>> No.12278674

>>12278661
>You have no evidence of this
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=are+californians+in+texas+liberal+or+conservative
Stop crying.

>> No.12278675
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>>12278670
Most days are slow days for spaceflight. And believe it or nor these days things are moving faster than they have in 40 years

>> No.12278676 [DELETED] 

>>12278667
They make them lay in that weird position “so the doctor has access to the patient”, which is generally unhelpful and makes it worse for the human, but a birth stirrup is a funny mental image

>> No.12278678

Anons, can I get a breakdown on full flow combustion vs. Staged?

>> No.12278679

>>12278667
They make them lay in that weird position “so the doctor has access to the patient”, which is generally unhelpful and makes it worse for the woman, but a birth stirrup is a funny mental image

>> No.12278682 [DELETED] 

>>12278670
You will never be woman nor mother.

>> No.12278681

>>12278673
Ironic for someone who thinks women piss upwards. Take a shower if you’re so worried about smelling

>> No.12278684
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>>12278682
Is there a second of the day you're not thinking about trannies? I know you masturbate to them and that makes you angry but you don't need to bring your fetish up in a completely unrelated topic

>> No.12278685 [DELETED] 

>>12278684
Cope/Dilate etc etc

>> No.12278687 [DELETED] 

>>12278685
Go back to the tranny tab in your browser and stay there

>> No.12278691

>>12278685
>>12278687
both of you need to go resolve your sexual tension on /pol/ or /soc/ or something

>> No.12278692
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12278692

POV: You're a ULA Sniper stationed at Boca Chica

>> No.12278696
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12278696

What happened to this general? The quality has nose dived suepr hard in the last week

>> No.12278699

>>12278691
Sometimes I think it's one anon replying to himself. The second you say that though he'll edit a screencap just to go "nuh uh!" at you.

>> No.12278700

>>12278544
>>12278557

Loli nekomimi maids.

>> No.12278705
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12278705

>>12278696
/pol/ and Reddit purges happened

>> No.12278706

>>12278696
Leftypol learned of spaceflght. must subvert all hope, blackpill.

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>>12278696
Maybe with the election around the corner people are a little more on edge

>> No.12278708 [DELETED] 

Trannies are people with a fetish they build their lives around

>> No.12278709

>>12278696
It’s one of the only generals on sci that’s accessible to the layman. The thread stays on the top page too much

>> No.12278719

>>12278709
>The thread stays on the top page too much
This. There are exceptions when a dedicated master baiter comes around but for the most part thread quality is directly related to depth in the catalog.

>> No.12278720
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12278720

When will Elon share more about tile testing?

>> No.12278721
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>>12278591
it would be weird as hell jogging in a place like that

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>> No.12278726

>>12278720
ITAR restrictions, probably years before they settle down on tile issue.

>> No.12278727

>>12278721
Like one of those Vaporwave videos

>> No.12278728

>>12278696
Sometimes I wonder if a bored janny shitposts in here for fun, given how certain garbage posts are never ever cleaned up.

>> No.12278729

>>12278696
yeah wtf happened

>> No.12278732

>>12278720
I really hope they have a little warehouse somewhere where they just have mexicans tossing around trashcans covered in heat tiles

>> No.12278733 [DELETED] 

Sfg will be very slow after the election because the Trumptards who worship space travel will commit suicide

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>>12278725

>> No.12278737
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>>12278734

>> No.12278738

>>12278645
I NEED IT

>> No.12278739
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12278739

>OI yew got a loicense for dat rocket m8?

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>>12278737

>> No.12278742
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12278742

>>12278739
imagine actually throwing away your entire independent access to the cosmos the absolute state of brits

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>>12278739

>> No.12278748
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>>12278678
note that EVERYTHING goes through the pre-burners in full flow. Hence the name. Staged combustion instead sends some shit directly to the main combustion chamber.

>> No.12278749

>>12277807
Because of the rocket equation, even with a photon rocket you'd need Kardashev III tech to get to 99% lightspeed, then there's the fact you'd slam into dust so fast it can destroy your ship, and to top it all off you'd actually experience drag from the interstellar medium, virtual particles and whatever the fuck. Just not gonna happen.

>> No.12278751

When is the hop, Elon said October 15th is September, what a turtle

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12278752

>>12278742
I feel bad for them, they should have launch capability too and we dicked them over on it.

>> No.12278755

>>12278751
The raptors an heroed so they need to test the new ones

>> No.12278759

>>12278749
>I’m omniscient. No future technologies or scientific revelations will occur

>> No.12278761

>>12278755
Three engines in the vehicle and none of them new, cope

>> No.12278762

>>12278684
I fucking love this dude's artstyle

>> No.12278767

>>12278761
They still need new testing though

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>>12278748
The main advantages of full flow staged combustion are:
>closed cycle
No fuel is dumped outside of the combustion chamber.
>oxydizer and fuel are a gas when injected
This raises the the combustion efficiency as the gasses mix and burn quicker.

This does have a huge challenge though:
The oxygen rich preburner and turbine are subjected to a stream of very hot oxygen/combustion products mix.
That has a tendency to light stuff like metals on fire.

>> No.12278778

>>12278767
>>12278761
>>12278755
I wonder how improved raptor 50 is compared to to the 30s we have on SN8

>> No.12278779

>>12278696
I've cant even bring myself to make sarcastic posts anymore

>> No.12278780

>>12278767
Yes that part is true, it's the reason that doesn't hold up. There have always been multiple static fires planned for SN8.

>> No.12278788

>>12278759
I'm saying we're more likely to go extinct or figure out FTL than get significant time dilation drives. You could always gravity assist with degenerate stars, though.

>> No.12278789

>>12278719
this is why i only post srs stuff in eurotime >:)

>> No.12278793

>>12278696
when is that shuttle going to takeoff?

>> No.12278794

>>12278788
Human extinction is unlikely barring cosmic events that have never occurred on Earth.

>> No.12278799

>>12278778
It's frustrating how quiet they've been about that. The raptor either ate the turbopump or it's suffering from pogo oscillation. It's all been deduced from the pictures
>>12278780
>>12278761
Yes, and if a new engine is put in, it needs additional testing before the hop. Don't get so defensive anon

>> No.12278802

>>12278794
A SINGLE BIG ROCK HITTING EARTH!!!!

>> No.12278803

>>12278794
In the next 20 thousand years human extinction is very likely.

>> No.12278806

>>12278803
According to what?

>> No.12278810

>>12278802
A rock big enough to wipe out humans has never hit earth, except maybe in the Hadean period.

>> No.12278811

>>12278799
>Doomsday scenarios fall apart
>complain about lack of transparency when everything remains nominal
This is being defensive.

>> No.12278812

>>12278806
my desire to end all live on earth increasing by each passing year and the fact I'm immortal.

>> No.12278816

>>12278581
>The UK have fully become the USAs bitch when it comes to aerospace. The US has pressured them to drop everything and has sold them fighters at a loss to kill local development.
>It's sad to see a once world leader become a joke like this.
You're 50-60 years late and not particularly accurate. What's happened is that whilst there has been some loss of capability more significant is that few countries still produce a whole plane themselves because the risks are so great they have to spread it around and that the UK still has some of the most advanced aero capabilities on earth. See the Panavia Tornado and the Euro fighter for examples of UK participation in Euro projects, and F35 where Rolls Royce build the lift fan plus a fair few other bits. It's certainly true that the UK is virtually a client state of the US militarily though, but again you are merely stating something that's been known for decades. I mean the US has supplied UK with ICBMs since the 60s. I'd suggest you're speaking from a position of ignorance.

>> No.12278822

>>12278803
How the heck do you know that? Sounds like asspull

>> No.12278830

>>12278755
yeah, seems assured we'll do one more static fire from the main tanks. if all goes well, they'll move forward to do a firing from the headers. then and only then will we have a good guess as to when it hops. my personal guess is NET November 15, before December 31 :^)

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12278834

>>12278793
Now

>> No.12278840

>>12278810
>A rock big enough to wipe out humans has never hit earth
What about that one that killed the dinosaurs anon

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>>12278834
wow look at her go! :)

>> No.12278847

>>12278840
Humans would survive that just fine

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>>12278811
>want to know more info on how the raptor failed
>that makes me a doomsday scenario doom and gloom hater
Fuck outta here

>> No.12278855

>>12278851
That's not what happened. The raptor they pulled out is the one they put back in.

>> No.12278872

>>12278855
None of this arguing changes the fact that we have two static fires left before a hop

>> No.12278877

Oh yeah, the Euros have signed up for Artemis. Which probably makes it unkillable from either side of the political aisle.

>> No.12278885

>>12278872
Yes, that isn't what I was arguing against.

>> No.12278891

>>12278877
Oh good, what are they gonna bring to the mission? Anything significant, or do they just want to send some experiments and stuff along?

>> No.12278895

>>12278877
It seems the current NASA administration have gone out of their way to solidify Artemis just in case there's a shift in priorities after the election
>signed multiple contracts on the construction of hardware for Gateway
>begun contracting rounds for the lander
>got international partners to commit to it

>> No.12278896

>>12278891
The Germans made the Orions service module. ESA is making parks of gateway.

>> No.12278899

>>12278591
R I P P E N
I
P
P
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>> No.12278902

I get the feeling that SLS and Lunar gateway station whole reason to exist is to ensure Artemis doesn't get canceled if Trump loses the election or it takes longer than 2024.
Even if it will probably never fly manned and most shit will be done by commercial launchers.

>> No.12278910

>>12278896
>The Germans made the Orions service module
I didn't know that, neat. Hopefully this cooperation ensures there's no way to strangle Gateway in its crib now.

>> No.12278912

>>12278910
It can be strangled the same way all of these projects are: from the inside. Just keep pushing deadlines and asking for more gibs.

>> No.12278914

>>12278877
They did? where?

>> No.12278919

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hempnDxiEAw
Episode 3 of SpaceX de GO

>> No.12278922

>>12278816
I was actually talking talking about Black Prince and Black Arrow and in no way implying this happed yesterday.

>> No.12278925

>>12278910
At least that prevents something like mars climate orbiter from hapening...

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>>12278912

>> No.12278942

>>12278877
They have not signed the Artemis Accords fyi

>> No.12278945

>>12278748
Thanks, I actually went on every day astronauts site and read the whole damn thing so I’m more than filled in at this point

>> No.12278967

>>12278696
After the GOP tweet, /pol/ realized that this general exists.

>> No.12278970

>>12278922
>I was actually talking talking about Black Prince and Black Arrow and in no way implying this happed yesterday.
But you mentioned aerospace and fighters which are both aero rather than space. On space I agree to an extent because the UK has some fine engineers and scientists and it's a crying shame that they have been denied opportunities and that the world has been denied the chance to see what the UK could do (HTP is cool). But OTOH every other org apart from SpaceX are currently looking pretty unwell about about the prospect of being obsoleted at a stroke by Starship, with Roscosmos and Arianespace in particular looking at their decades of investment turning out to be an actual hindrance to future success. Being heroically optimistic: at least the UK has no laughably terrible oldspace sector to hold it back.

>> No.12278976

>>12278891
Adding onto what >>12278896 said they also have gotten 3 rounds of astronauts to travel to gateway.
Heres a twitter post of the components, mentioning of the astronauts is higher up in the thread:https://twitter.com/esaspaceflight/status/1321096359840272386/photo/1

>>12278895
Yeah, I've been extremely impressed with Bridenstein and the brain trust of nasa as a whole planning for an electoral reversal of 2016. They might actually pull it off.

>>12278942
They have not, but I assume if they are sending boots on the ground they are also going to sign the accords for resource usage. Probably just haggling over the fine print over signing onto what could become the new precedent for space resource extraction.

>> No.12278991

>>12278967
wasn't it the leftys yesterday that were all caps posting and spamming soijacks?

>> No.12278992

>>12278970
>Being heroically optimistic: at least the UK has no laughably terrible oldspace sector to hold it back.
This is unironically a good thing at this point, you don't want to be heavily invested in incumbent industry when disruption comes along. The biggest problem for the UK right now is not its history but its modern day reality. The old and slow dying off is only good if new blood moves in.

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>>12278976
*bridenSTINE

>> No.12278998

>>12278970
I think if the UK had of funded SABER themselves instead of letting BAE buy it that would have had potential to do suborbital space tourism and zero g experiments cheaper than anything else. Now we won't hear anything about it for 40 years until the hypersonic missile it drives is declassified.
As for Roscosmos they were looking into recovering booster decades ago so I don't think they are as far behind as say ULA.
Arianespace will be kept alive by EU government launches but does have a lot of catching up to do if they want commercial launches that aren't forced on them by EU governments taxing companies that use SpaceX.

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12279001

>>12278996
JimANTHA*

>> No.12279006

>>12278998
>I think if the UK had of funded SABER themselves instead of letting BAE buy it that would have had potential to do suborbital space tourism and zero g experiments cheaper than anything else.
The UK government has never had any desire to do anything that doesn't immediately line their pockets before the next election cycle

>> No.12279007

YOU WILL NOT FIND US AMONG
THOSE WHO DREAM OF ESCAPING

>> No.12279011

>>12277939
Come back when external pressure is zero

>> No.12279012

>>12278696
Lack of starship updates after they put on the nose cone because they needed to do a raptor swap. Normal space flight news is a really slow drip.

Generals become cesspits without focus. Go to /vg/ and notice how 90% of the generals are some bizarre subculture that doesn't even talk about the topic game anymore

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>>12278692
>he thinks he can shoot through this plate lmao

>> No.12279016

>>12278001
Tfw no dark matter gf

>> No.12279021

>>12279012
>Go to /vg/ and notice how 90% of the generals are some bizarre subculture that doesn't even talk about the topic game anymore
I'm very aware, I just thought the high IQs at /sci/ were better then that.

>> No.12279022

>>12279012
I wish we had more english info on JAXA and CNSA, both are doing interesting things we hardly hear about in the west.

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12279024

>>12279007
ACROSS THE ÆTHER WE'VE COME
ALL IS OURS FOR THE TAKING

>> No.12279026

>>12278991
Soijackers are a group of autists who congregate on their own gay little chan called soijackparty in order to organize raids on random boards. A week or two back they tried spamming /po/'s oldest thread off the board just because 'fuck 4chan lolol'.
I think their average age is 19.

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>>12279021
>high IQs
>/sci/

>> No.12279032

>>12278127
Every serious design I've seen for a relativistic interstellar ship has a block of ice attached to the prow of the ship to tank those hits.

>> No.12279033

>>12278385
Imagine your phone having dust particles inside the display fresh out of the factory, now scale it up

>> No.12279042

>>12278490
Lets find god and make him pay!

>> No.12279043

>>12278996
whoops my bad, non-intentional mistake. >>12279012
Its just particularly bad because an extremely heated re-election is around the corner and both sides are absolutely sure they are going to win so its political shitposting all-round. Should simmer down once one of the candidates hits 270.

>> No.12279050

>>12278490
>obtain the maturity to use said technological prowess constructively instead of against each other.

Fighting is good and manly and natural. You’re a beta male

>> No.12279055

>>12278490
>And we're due for one.
There was a major comet strike about 9600 BC that melted the Pleistocene ice sheets and spawned flood myths in almost every surviving culture.

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12279058

Any progress from the anons making their own rocket parts?

>> No.12279059

>>12279055
It hit the NA ice sheet, right? I've not heard any speculation on alternative impact sites for that event.

>> No.12279064

>>12279059
Last I heard the impact site was somewhere in Canada.

>> No.12279067

>>12278374
Yellowstone isn't going to erupt any time soon. The whole "it's overdue" argument is ridiculous. You should be more concerned with >>12278407 (a really scary problem) and even more scared about an impact event which, while unlikely, can strike without warning and fuck up the whole Earth. But yeah flood basalts are probably the scariest and have the capacity to kill 99% of life on Earth in the blink of a geologic eye (see the Permian-Triassic mass extinction event)

>> No.12279070

What would be an appropriate alloy to use for the heat exchanger of a nuclear thermal rocket?

>> No.12279072

>>12279021
It's a slow board, so there are many posters from elsewhere.

>>12278991
There were the /pol/ retards spamming the Seth "Who"/GOP twitter screencap and the other /pol/ retards trolling them with the soijacks.

>> No.12279077

>>12279058
I have been out of the game for a few years but think I'll get back into it.
I was using schedule 40 pvc pipe and found 25mm could take ~1200psi for my ~2.5 second burns. Got ~240N trust out of my biggest 4 grain version.

>> No.12279082

>>12278490
>5 mass extinctions in all of earth's history
>routine
nigga, we'll be fine

>we're due for one
probability says we go extinct naturally long before some "extinction event". all other members of the homo genus within the last few million years are gone

>> No.12279084

>>12279070
The one with the highest melting point, you don't care if it takes a lot time to heat up and the hotter it gets the higher the ISP.

>> No.12279085
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12279085

>"i cant wait to ditch comcast" soiface.jpg
How are these people still not aware that if you can get Comcast then Starlink probably isnt going to be an option for you? Starlink is for people in very rural environments where traditional telecoms are unlikely to provide service.

>> No.12279086

>>12279072
>everything that happens in this thread that i don't like is /pol/
this election can't come soon enough

>> No.12279087

>>12279077
What kind of propellant are you using? R-Candy?

>> No.12279093

>>12279082
It’s impossible for humans to “go extinct naturally”.

>> No.12279094

>>12279082
Surviving previous extinctions does not guarantee you will survive the next. Trilobites are the best example. Dominated the Earth even after everything else got killed off, only to get wiped out when things got too bad. Never underestimate extinction events. The only reason we have made it this far is pure chance

>> No.12279100

>>12279086
No matter what happens political shitters are going to spend the next four years screaming regardless.

>> No.12279101

>>12279087
Yep with a 10% doping of kno3 / al flash powder.

>> No.12279103

>>12279085
I was on board that, I did ditch comcast's $60/m 50mbs shit for $50 1gbps from centurylink just few months ago.

>> No.12279106

>>12279093
What the fuck kind of response is this? Did you finish high school?

>> No.12279109

>>12279093
99.9 percent of all earth life has gone extinct. not the doomposter, btw

>> No.12279110

>>12279086
>/pol/ memes
>/pol/ arguments

Yeah, I'm sure those people, arguing about celebrity opinions came here from /tv/.

>> No.12279113

>>12279109
>99.9 percent of all earth life has gone extinct. not the doomposter, btw

And none of it was like us.

>> No.12279115

>>12279085
Thats wrong though, initially yes, but Starlink will eventually cover everything. It's not for rural people anyway, thats just clever marketing, its actually for international finance, as it's faster across oceans then cables are, which means higher profits for high frequency trading. Did you actually believe this billion dollar infrastructure was for poor people?

>> No.12279117

>>12279093
Critters naturally go extinct daily tho

>> No.12279125

>>12279117
????????? Thats natural death not fucking extinction

>> No.12279129

>>12279106
> What the fuck kind of response is this? Did you finish high school?

Not an argument. It is impossible for humans to go extinct naturally. We are too widespread, too numerous, too technologically capable, and too adaptive. We live everywhere from the Sahara to the arctic circle in varying degrees of isolation and levels of development and have constructed many underground fortified position. Nothing is taking us out, ever, unless it’s an asteroid bigger than anything that’s hit earth before.

>> No.12279131

>>12279113
>all the australopithecines
>all hominids save for us
retard

>> No.12279133

>>12279113
>humans can talk and make art so we are invincible from any extinction event - we aren't like the other animals!
Nigga we can and will get wiped out. Will climate change kill us? No. But a comet impact or a huge flood basalt event or gamma ray burst would cripple us. Modern humans have only been here for 2 million years and multiple times we have almost gone extinct (at one point most of the homo family died out and there was less than 3,000 humans left to repopulate)

>> No.12279135

>>12279117
Man is no mere critter.

>> No.12279136

>>12279115
It's going to be both, traders will pay stupid amounts for priority packets while the plebs will have to wait a few more milliseconds.
It'll also be a shit option for shorter distances and fiber will still be the best option for people that care about ping to cities near them.

>> No.12279138

>>12279125
no i mean extinction, as in last living member of a species. are you a child?

>> No.12279142

>>12279131
>Retarded pre-civilization apes

Not comparable to modern civilization.

>> No.12279146

He's obviously shitposting for (you)s, quit giving him what he wants.

>> No.12279151

>>12279138
Critters do not ho extinct every day, that’s like saying that when a human generation dies, humans have gone extinct

>> No.12279153

>>12279133
>But a comet impact or a huge flood basalt event or gamma ray burst would cripple us

We’d get over it simply by surviving in bunkers and isolated areas.

> Modern humans have only been here for 2 million years and multiple times we have almost gone extinct (at one point most of the homo family died out and there was less than 3,000 humans left to repopulate)

That’s before civilization. Not comparable.

>> No.12279157

>>12279142
homo sapiens existed for hundreds of thousands of years before civilization, silly billy

>> No.12279158

>>12279115
Starlink can only physically serve so many people in an area. If too many people in an area get it then it will become congested and laggy.

>> No.12279163

>>12279151
up to 150 species go extinct each day

>> No.12279167

>>12279157
Pre-civilization Homo sapiens is not comparable to modern Homo sapiens in survivability, and still exists, even. Hunter-gatherers and people able to live as them still knock about.

>> No.12279171

>>12279101
You seem to know your stuff very well. How to you manage to melt the sugar without caramelizing it too much? When I tried it the mixture kept getting burnt even though I had the temperature set to be lower than the caramelization temperature.

>> No.12279180

>>12279167
anatomically modern humans are at least 200000 years old. pre-civilization is only about 20000 years ago. we're genetically the same species as them

>> No.12279184

>>12279171
I melted my kno3 first and while keeping that at the point where it's gooey but not really liquid I slowly added and stired in sugar.
I always burned it a little but found adding a little fe2o3 helped increase the rate of burn.

>> No.12279185

>>12279167
Duh, of course we're more survivable. I didnt say anything about our chances

>> No.12279194

>>12279163
That's just taking a yearly or decadal total and taking the arithmetic mean. It's bad math meant to manipulate people who never passed calculus.

>>12279115
>Did you actually believe this billion dollar infrastructure was for poor people?
It's going to be for DoD, financial traders, and richfags moving out to the sticks to work remotely away from all the riots as much as for current rural people.

>> No.12279203
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12279203

Chinese launch from a couple of hours ago. Long March 2C out of Xichang. Payload was a few spysats.

>> No.12279205

>>12279194
Point taken on the stats. Even the fact that "majority of life that's existed on earth is gone" is misleading since life doesnt just go extinct, but it can evolve into new forms.

>> No.12279208

>>12279203
Any pics of the village that caught the first stage?

>> No.12279210

>>12277187
>China will probably launch a rocket in the next week without telling anyone
>>12279203
I FUCKING KNEW IT

>> No.12279212

>>12279180
Genetically very similar but far from similar in terms of hardiness. Our level of technology allows us to survive in even more varied conditions, and we’ve constructed hardpoints intended to survive nuclear war all over the place. We have the technology to survive on the moon or Mars, we could survive anything that could happen on Earth barring something really, really big hitting it.

>> No.12279216

>>12279203
Nevermind I got the date wrong, it was yesterday.

>> No.12279218

>>12279203
I didn't realize hypergolics burned blue like that in low light. Cool pic, even if I'd rather China not have any spysats.

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12279221

>>12279203
>Long March 2C

>> No.12279231

>>12279212
Your survival is just as dependent on technology as it is the trees on the continents or microalgae in the ocean. Every ecosystem in the biosphere forms a very interlaced and harmonic relationship with geochemical processes. Doesn't matter if we are ooga booga troglodytes or megaengineers building dyson spheres... if our local ecosystems collapse we are fucked

>> No.12279237

>>12279212
IMO the only thing that kills all humans is an impact that raises tempratures over ~70c. At that point trying to dump heat into the air / sea becomes pretty fucking hard and you are going to have a heap of waste heat from your cooling systems.
That said something as simple as a decent sized asteroid of volcano could easily take ~90% of the population.

>> No.12279239

>>12279212
I agree with you here, I think we stand a good chance to last at least as long as the coelacanth or horseshoe crab (barely evolved at all in 400 million years). we're pretty good at exploiting environments we werent evolved to survive in. living on mars would be the pinnacle example of that

>> No.12279246

>>12279231
if we are succesful in building an ecosystem on mars, we can survive indefinitely

>> No.12279254

>>12279203
What'd the first stage hit?

>> No.12279261

>>12279254
I love the fact instead of launching from their east coast they now have a radio warning at stage seperation for where the 1st stage is going to hit.

>> No.12279265

>>12279246
There can still be mass extinctions on Mars. I guess at this point I am arguing for the sake of argument lmao. But it is important to understand that just because we leave earth in space ships does not make us immune to extinction. Our ecosystem could collapse on Mars or Titan or an O'Neill cylinder. The only thing I could think of that would make us immune would be if we had star trek level tech with free energy and a replicator? I think? At that point humans could just stay in a shielded room the rest of their lives eating food until the heat death of the universe

>> No.12279275

>>12279261
At least they warn them now.

>> No.12279276

>>12279265
I would say leaving our local cluster would be the point at which we are here to stay, once we have done that it would take miltiple astronomical events to wipe us all out.

>> No.12279285

>>12279261
>launching from their east coast
They do launch some of their rockets from Hainan

>> No.12279287

>>12279275
True, IIRC it's something like "rocket debris expected in X area, look up and don't approach the wreckage".

>> No.12279295

>>12279265
>But it is important to understand that just because we leave earth in space ships does not make us immune to extinction.
that is the thing. It essentially does. What colonizing mars, for example, gives us is not just mars itself, so we need 2 extinction events instead of one, but the ability to create and manage artificial ecosystems. Of course this is far from being technologically possible at the moment but once it is an extinction event would have to hit every single human colony as well as the colonizing ship that where in course for other planets. Essentially we would have seeds of mankind ensuring that if any one of them died out there were other to go on grow and spread more seeds in the future.
And all of that requires a lot less technological advancement than "star trek" level gadgets.

>> No.12279297

>>12279265
I think what I was getting at is if can build a self sufficient ecosystem on Mars, we can do it almost anywhere. Nothing could limot our spread throughout the Solar System. The only bottleneck to our, or our descendant species', survival is the feasibility of interstellar travel. At the very least, our ability to spread and build our own ecosystems substantially decreases the liklihood of our own extinction.

Don't need magic star trek tech to colonize the Solar System. I don't think our descendants will live to see the end of the universe, but maybe our computers lol. now im getting into retard popsci territory.

>> No.12279300

Oh my the conversation does get better when we leave the first few pages. I guess anon was right after all.

>> No.12279306

>>12279295
Yeah good point. I want to know more about GRB's though. When people talk about them, do they have to directly hit your planet? Which I feel like is super mathematically unlikely... or do they wipe out entire solar systems with one big burst? If that's the case then fuck. We need generation ships or FTL drives eventually

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>>12279297
based and humanity-pilled
Mankind will bend the cosmos to its will

>> No.12279311

>>12279276
can we spread to other galaxies fast enough to renew/replace our host galaxy? think along the line of how life spits in the face of entropy by multiplying fast enough to replace itself before obliteration

>> No.12279312

>>12278914
>NASA and ESA (European Space Agency) have finalized an agreement to collaborate on the Artemis Gateway.
>The agreement, signed Tuesday, marks NASA’s first formal commitment to launch international crew members to the lunar vicinity as part of NASA’s Artemis missions.
>Under this agreement, ESA will contribute habitation and refueling modules, along with enhanced lunar communications, to the Gateway. The refueling module also will include crew observation windows. In addition to providing the hardware, ESA will be responsible for operations of the Gateway elements it provides. ESA also provides two additional European Service Modules (ESMs) for NASA’s Orion spacecraft. These ESMs will propel and power Orion in space on future Artemis missions and provide air and water for its crew.
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-european-space-agency-formalize-artemis-gateway-partnership

>>12278877
>Which probably makes it unkillable from either side of the political aisle.
Aside from the Euros, Canada and Japan are all in on it too. I wonder if they'll be able to convince any other countries to join?

>> No.12279319

>>12279300
anon is always right

>> No.12279320

>"AAAnd we're back, This is Red Mars Radio. More news for you."
>"An attempt to bomb Zhelezograd's anti-orbital gun has been thwarted by an alert civilian contractor. The facility's security is being tightened."
>"And now for a public service announcement. Remember if you're lost in the red wastes with no GPS, follow the radio. These stations are not only here to bring you music and news, they're always broadcasting from a good-sized town. Just follow the signal to salvation."
>"Ladies and Gentlemen, this next song goes out from me to you." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

>> No.12279322

>>12279312
>I wonder if they'll be able to convince any other countries to join?
I know Russia were invited to build the airlock for Gateway but refused. And I'm not sure about India but the US is still against any sort of collaboration with China

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12279323

Congrats /sfg/!
4ASS has been contracted by NASA to develop a new rocket engine!
Working name for the engine is the BG-4U
So what kind of rocket engine should the Big Guy be?

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12279330

>>12279306
pic related, also i thought about the same thing. dunno the answer tho, I think GRBs are statistically unlikely bc the star burst must be close AND pointed at earth, but i dont know how the beam scales with distance/angle/magnitude

>> No.12279333

Breaking: SLS is cancelled

https://mobile.twitter.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1321144847026343937

>> No.12279334

>>12279323
4 NTRs piped from a multi-megawatt metallic fueled fast reactor

>> No.12279335

>>12279323
>detach engine section from main tank, parachute to drone ship "Was getting caught part of your plan" for capture

>> No.12279336

>>12279312
Wonder if the ESA negotiated for an European Astronaut to join Artemis so the europoors can finally have some moon dust of their own

>> No.12279339

>>12279311
No idea, if C is a hard limit and we can get around at say 0.25C it would be a 100,000 year trip to the nearest Galaxy.
Could we produce a generation ship that can be moving at 1/4th the speed of light and either never need any new material or be able to gather material without slowing down?
Would we instead go for something much slower and basically decide there is little functional difference between 100,000 years and 10,000,000 years?

>> No.12279340

>>12278412
Unfortunately that's real life

>> No.12279341

>>12279323
>LOx and liquid cow methane propelled
>F-1 sized
>pressure fed
>deep throttle capable
>made from steel and copper taken from a local scrapyard
>all engine serial numbers would start with FCKSLS

>> No.12279343

>>12279333
This is why we test. Nothing worth worrying about

>> No.12279344

>>12279323
Hypergolic solid fuel nuclear torch

>> No.12279345

>>12279323
Full-flow fluorine-lithium-hydrogen bell engine

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>>12279333
>this is why we test
Is there anything more cringeworthy than this phrase? other than maybe
>space is hard
lol

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12279348

>>12279333
AHAHAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.12279349

>>12279333
RESULTS

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12279350

>>12279333
>reuses hardware from the 70s
>ten years and over 20 billion dollars in the making
>been ready since 2014
>been sitting on the stand all year
>cant test it due to "issues"
>SLS is real

>> No.12279351

>>12279347
Testing is hard

>> No.12279356

>>12279347
>Is there anything more cringeworthy than this phrase
It's only cringe when no worthwhile testing is being done.

>> No.12279361

>>12279323
Full flow staged combustion Lithium / Fluorine engine with multipul combustion chambers independantly gimballed inward to act as a larger nozzle.
I think we can get it done in 5 years (50 years) for $1,000,000,000 ($200,000,000,000), please ignore the brackets as they are for interal business use only.

>> No.12279364

>>12279339
the latter sounds interesting, it may be less about time and more about efficiency. it's all about finding was to decrease entropy where possible

>> No.12279365

>>12279323
Lithium fusion NSWR.

>> No.12279366

pls no bully sls she is trying her best

>> No.12279370

>>12279350
ISSUES
WHAT ARE THEY

>> No.12279372

>>12279345
Based and fluium pilled.

>> No.12279374

>>12279333
It's been there since February and they just found an issue? What the fuck have they been doing all year? I've seen more enthusiastic work from "C's get degrees" students.

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>>12279370
>WHAT ARE THEY
Not enough funding.

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12279378

>>12279333
Bad news!
The SLS has been delayed!

>> No.12279381

>>12279348
>spend 20 billion dollars to make everything work right out of the factory
>it doesn‘t work right out of the factory
This thing is a joke and yet I stopped laughing a while ago.

>> No.12279391

I want Europa Clipper off Mr Shelby‘s wild ride.

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12279392

>>12279333

>> No.12279393

>>12279333
I got $20 on hydrogen leaks.

>> No.12279394
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12279394

>> No.12279396

While it might not be legal, does Falcon Heavy have the ability to ever be human rated so that it could fly Orion? Honestly a fastrack human rating would beat SLS to the Moon and the orange meme rocket has had a 10 year head start.

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12279401

>>12279391
>the whole argument of using SLS is to get it to Europa faster
>because SLS will never be on time Europa Clipper will have to sit in storage for years
This will never not make me mad

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12279403

>>12279378
>up next
>we put our smallest co-host in the largest rocket
>thats right, we got a starship!!!

>> No.12279404

>>12279333
Now who could have seen that coming?

>> No.12279408
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12279408

>>12279396
Considering how heavy and expensive Orion is, it might be easier and cheaper to use an uprated Dragon 2.

>> No.12279416
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12279416

Remember this beauty?

>> No.12279419

>>12279396
It pulled 5-6g for awhile near burnout of the core, if they engines can last long enough for a longer burn at lower throttle to keep the g under ~4 it would be possible to launch people on it.

>> No.12279420

>>12279404
Honestly, I didn't. I expected them to keep quietly delaying it until after the election.

>> No.12279429

>>12279333
>Cyberpunk 2077 delayed for the 3rd time
>SLS cancelled
>My mouse wheel just broke
What the fuck is happening?

>> No.12279430

>>12279416
He was right to call them out, the only problem is he won't call out ULA in the same way because they own all his bosses.

>> No.12279432

>>12279416
jim was playin the politics game and playin it right, worked out spectacularly in the end

>> No.12279434

>>12279416
Commercial crew is delayed (because of starliner.) We expect everyone to deliver because this is taxpayer money (pls ignore SLS though).
Was Jim taking a shot at spacex here or just boeing? Or both? I’m pretty sure spacex was behind schedule too but they got the thing to the station

>> No.12279435

>>12279378
Oh No!
anyway, SN8 has an upcoming hop.

>> No.12279436

>>12279429
>only realizing 2020 if fucked now
Come on anon, you have had 10 months of fucked and you think it's going to suddenly stop being fucked when it only has 2 months to go?

>> No.12279441

>>12279429
The Great War is approaching
Time to get offworld, now

>> No.12279442

>>12279436
I live in Russia, everything gets here late.

>> No.12279443

>>12279429
>Star Citizen is launching
This timeline is getting weird.

>> No.12279445

>>12279420
I've said it on several occasions that the green run would most likely slip into next year and that the launch would not go off in 2021.

>> No.12279446

>>12279434
He was pissed with everyone but knew he could only call out spacex if he wanted to still have a job on Monday.

>>12279442
Your story checks out, sorry you are only finding out now.

>> No.12279447

>>12279408
That's basically the plan for cargo deliveries to Gateway, with a stretched cargo Dragon capsule. You'd need to man-rate the Falcon Heavy (or Starship at this rate lmao) and then the existing upper stage would be quite sufficient to give it the necessary delta-V.

>> No.12279451

>>12279429
keep your expectations low on cyberpunk

>> No.12279453

>>12279445
At this point I'm thinking launch 2024 assuming BFR hasn't killed it by then.

>> No.12279466

>>12279443
>Star Citizen is launching
Hahahahaha, shit isn't the weird yet.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/star-citizens-squadron-42-campaign-wont-release-in-2020-but-its-in-the-close-out-phase/1100-6483232/

>> No.12279467

>>12279441
>The Great War is approaching
It's still a lot of time untill 0079...

>> No.12279468

I honestly wonder how much this has to do with the foam having rotted away while it's been in that test stand doing FUCK ALL.

>> No.12279470

>>12279231
Human survival has zero relation to the ecosystem. Ever heard of farming lol

>> No.12279472

>>12279453
>BFR
They really should have kept this name for the bants

>> No.12279476

>>12279265
>Our ecosystem could collapse on Mars or Titan or an O'Neill cylinder.

WHAT ECOSYSTEM
it’s just plants growing in hydroponics rooms and some dumb animals in pens and in fish tanks

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12279477

>>12278591
Anons have been suggesting a rail car on a tilted track. It shouldn't be hard to make one with a Boring Company tunnel, then lay the track at an angle.

>> No.12279481

>>12279468
I hope birds have been shitting all over it and it has slowly started to corrode. Honestly if it gets delayed to 2024+ is it within anyone’s power to cancel it? I feel like Jim can’t do anything and it isn’t exactly within the power of POTUS to make an executive order overriding congress

>> No.12279483

>>12279472
It is funny but there is something poetic about Starship. Makes you feel like anything is possible

>> No.12279484

>>12278111
Doesn't need to wax at all if she's young enough

>> No.12279485

>>12279470
>>12279476
At this point you idiots are fishing for (you)'s. Just take it and be happy
>>12279481
>It's covered with bird shit
Lmao it would be fitting

>> No.12279486

>>12279472
I refuse to use "starship" it's just a shitty name compared to Thor, Titan, Atlas, Vulcan ect.

>> No.12279488

>>12279468
Brilliant idea! That way NASA has to return the core stage to be rebuilt. Then once the stage is returned, we'll wait until it breaks again. That way potentially infinite funds can be given to the contractors.

>> No.12279490

>>12279483
Agreed. I remember being kinda disappointing by the name Starship when I first heard it after being so used to BFR, but now I think it's the perfect name

>> No.12279491

>>12279486
Big Dick Starship.

>> No.12279492

>>12279484
You’re a pedophile if you like it bald

>> No.12279494

>>12279486
What good Roman/Greek name hasn't been taken yet? Hercules?

>> No.12279500

>>12279494
Uranus

>> No.12279501

>>12279494
Nero
>burning down all of oldspace

>> No.12279502

>>12279500
Also Cronos would be cool. The Greek equivalent to Saturn

>> No.12279503

>>12279494
I would call our Mars colony ship Theseus as he escaped Hades.

>> No.12279504

>>12279494
MIGHTY ZEUS
RULER OF OLYMPUS
FUCKER OF YOUR WIFE
OCCASIONAL GOOSE

>> No.12279505

>>12279494
The Greek/Roman naming scheme has been overdone imho

>> No.12279508

>>12279494
Stungus

>> No.12279509

>>12279486
MCR
>Mars Colony Rocket

>> No.12279511

>>12279505
You are gay IMHO

>> No.12279521

>>12279511
rude

>> No.12279533
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>>12279494
Should name them after Roman Emperors desu
>ywn fly on a Trajan Rocket

>> No.12279570

>>12279502
Seconding this. Extremely fitting for what is going to be a monumental rocket that defines its century of space travel.

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12279578

>>12279502
>>12279570
also appropriate for other reasons

>> No.12279581

>>12279077
>I was using schedule 40 pvc pipe
That’s generally frowned upon due to PVC’s propensity for splintering into shrapnel if there’s some kind of structural failure (due to a piece of the grain crumbling off and blocking the nozzle, for instance).

>> No.12279589

>>12279581
I am aware, the bonus is if you catch some frag it's hard to find with x-rays. This is why I never had direct line of sight to my tests.
The 1200psi test was actually intended to be a failure with the pressure ramping up via grain geometry but it survived.

>> No.12279599

>>12279015
What the heck is this for anyway??

>> No.12279612

>>12279599
Keeps birds and spies out.

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>>12279612
i rly want to know, will someone pls check L2?

>> No.12279636

Say tomorrow SpaceX is given unfettered access to all the nuclear material they want with support from NASA. What could they accomplish in 10 years?

>> No.12279637

>>12279339
Generation ships, as in ones where the crew lives and dies in generations, are a dumb idea and realistically speaking only Alpha Centauri directed ones are somewhat possible even if dubiously so.
Interstellar travel fundamentally must be made out of seed-ships - computer ran bio-mechanical factories floating around until they can get somewhere to do their magic and germinate producing machinery and people. Basically something like the ship from Hull Zero Three.
It's, well, literally how a lot of stuff in nature works. Probably because it's a decent way to spread life.

>> No.12279638

What are the chances that a complete Starship would make it to orbit before SLS?

>> No.12279639

>>12279429
>Cyberpunk 2077 delayed for the 3rd time
Fuck’s sake. If it’s already gone gold, how the hell are they still delaying it?

>> No.12279640

>>12279639
https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/investors/regulatory-announcements/current-report-no-53-2020/

>> No.12279641

>>12279629
Counterweight.

>> No.12279643

>>12279636
They’d start World War 3

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>>12279599
Nose 8 counter weight

>> No.12279652

>>12279641
do we know why it's not inherently balanced? is it in place of something like how the mass sim was to the nosecone?

>> No.12279654

>>12279638
Complete as in the real deal, or as in steel tincan with return highly optional return stuck on a booster?

The full fledged Mars capable easily refuelable few hour turnaround starship that can carry people around the globe probably won't beat the SLS block "can barely send orion to the moon" as far as first launch goes. Third or fourth is more likely if those ever happen. A starship prototype, however, is a different story.

>> No.12279656

>>12279636
Nuclear engines are too hard, much more productive to dust Tel Aviv and DC with radioactive compounds.

>> No.12279660

>>12279652
>do we know why it's not inherently balanced?
Perhaps the design has taken into account the mass of the heat tiles but the tiles were omitted for this prototype?

>> No.12279665

>>12279652
If it's a counterweight then naturally its countering the weight of something on the other side. Gut feeling says its the plumbing for the header tank but the mass might not be sufficient so it's probably dealing with some internal bracing. Or maybe they just found out they need a tad bit more mass there thanks to simulations.

>> No.12279667

>>12279654
>Complete as in the real deal, or as in steel tincan with return highly optional return stuck on a booster?
LEO and back bare minimum.

>> No.12279669

>>12279638
ULA will be rushing SLS now because BFR poses a real threat but at the same time if they blow one up they know it'll take months of paperwork and hearing before they get to try again.
My money is on them rushing too much and either scrubing with major issues or losing one and BFR getting LEO before SLS is "fixed".

>> No.12279683

>>12279665
>>12279660
prolly not to simulate tiles, it's kinda off to the side. i agree it might be to counter something internal. very strange, someone should tweet it at elon

>> No.12279689

>>12279447
Is Dragon XL rated for lunar reentry or is it just gonna be thrown away?

>> No.12279694

>>12279667
Difficult to say at the moment. If the sub orbital hops show they can land them safely without too many splats then LEO + return should be doable even with fucky heat shield. Booster or two might be lost though. In that case it will probably beat the SLS unless Boeing really learned their lesson and magically fixed all cropping issues.
Or just took the risk and it worked better than it did with the Starliner. They can handwave any problems by claiming astronauts on board could have deal with them anyway.

Beating it or not doesn't really matter more than catching the ISS flag did because the political argument will be that Starship is a LEO bird and relying on highly experimental and dangerous orbital refueling makes it unsuitable for the American space policies that require utmost safety for crew and expensive probes. This gives a few years for Boeing to sign long term contracts and patch up any issues on their rocket.

You are going to see a world with dozen Starship flights and the occasional 4th of July NASA PR noise surrounding the orange dildo and you are going to love it.

>> No.12279695

>>12279636
Start a new engine/ship research/development program under the name Icarus, oweing to yearning for the giant nuclear fusion in the sky. Once they work out the engine/ship design, build it.

>> No.12279708

>>12279689
No idea. All depends on how fast Starship reaches orbit. Once cargo Starship is working, Dragon XL is a dead end.

>> No.12279715
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12279715

Reminder that in 2009! ULA did a study that found that they could land men on the moon with Atlas Vs and Delta IV Heavies by 2019...and here we are today.

Also a reminder that 3 Vulcan/Falcon Heavy launches can build a lunar lander at the EML2. It would take 3 Vulcan launches to carry Orion to the moon. We could literally land on the moon without SLS using rockets that have or will fly soon.

>> No.12279718

>>12279715
ain't that easy in rocketry, bub

>> No.12279729

>>12279715
Space is hard and space is expensive.

>> No.12279732

>>12279715
Why are you coming up with space plans when we have problems on earth?

>> No.12279733
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>>12279715
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's that easy in rocketry

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>>12279715

>> No.12279742

>>12279708
It's not that easy in govtspace. Be pretty funny if they end up putting DragonXL in an SS Cargo fairing.

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12279743

>>12279715
>We could literally land on the moon without SLS using rockets that have or will fly soon.
We've already been there

>> No.12279744

>>12279732
based, they told the truth because he hated them

>> No.12279746

>>12279708
Gov will still use falcon 9/heavy until 2024+.

>> No.12279749

>>12279348
The cope in that tweet.

>> No.12279751

>>12279746
Some of the NSSL contracts go into 2027/2028

>> No.12279753

>>12279749
it's just issues bro

>> No.12279754

>>12279732
The problems of random strangers are irrelevant to me.

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>>12279500
Never forget what regulations and dumb laws took from us

>> No.12279758
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>>12279743

>> No.12279761
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>>12279743
T-thanks, Obama

>> No.12279770

>>12279749
Right? This can't be why you test, there's no testing going on

>> No.12279774

>>12279429
>mouse wheel
My floppy disc got stuck in the drive bro’s wat do

>> No.12279776
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.12279781
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>>12279774
What are you talking about? Mouse wheels are not outdated, I bet you are using one right now.

>> No.12279783

>>12279774
>floppy disc
boi I'll get this floppy dick stuck in your mouth if you don't relocate yourself to the 21st century

>> No.12279785

>>12279715
Is it sustainable to have a high launch cadence of small rockets for moon missions? Would it be possible to do more than flags and footprints that way?

>> No.12279792

>>12279776
Thats expected. They'll do 1 more static fire at night before they do daytime 15km launch. I suspect the date will be changed to night test very soon.

>> No.12279794

>>12279785
Practically speaking no and yet orders of magnitude superior to SLS

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>>12279492

>> No.12279798

>>12279492
ok elon

>> No.12279801

>SLS got delayed AGAIN
HUE. The future of space lays in the hands with the chinks and Elon butt buddies, goddammit.
Anyway will the rocketman start dabbling in genetic engineering any time soon?

>> No.12279806

>>12279796
Kys degenerate

>> No.12279807

>>12279801
>Anyway will the rocketman start dabbling in genetic engineering any time soon?
God I hope not

>> No.12279808

>>12279801
Once he's on Mars and nobody can stop him.

>> No.12279814

>>12277855
oh shit this good reuploaded in good quality

>> No.12279815

>>12278700
I will raise them as my daughters

>> No.12279816

>>12279801
I'm betting he starts going into gene modding slightly before first Mars cargo ships.
>>12279815
>daughters

>> No.12279817
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>>12278709
This. That's one of the reason we're so touchy about faggots who won't wait for page 10. That extra time off the front page keeps us out of sight from from the plebs. The average /sci/tzo that comes in from the front page is an idiot, just look at the threads in the catalog.
>>12278721
They went to a lot of effort to make the set work like that.
>>12279109
>>12279117
I just found out there's a (migratory) bird in Hokkaido that's been going extinct over the past 20 years or so. Turns out that chinks have been eating it from wet markets despite the chink government calling it endangered. Now it's been changed to *really* endangered, keep eating it and we'll call it endangered again!
>>12279135
Chinks are no mere humans.
>>12279781
>he hasn't been using a trackpad with 2-finger scroll for a decade

>> No.12279821

>>12279203
someone redpill me on Chinese rockets.

>> No.12279822

>>12279715

https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/exploration/affordable-exploration-architecture-2009.pdf

>here's your study bro

>> No.12279824

>>12279821
>rockets
you mean village hypergolic fuel delivery system?

>> No.12279829

>tfw no furry blue spacefox gf

>> No.12279838

>>12279336
they did exactly that. parts of the gateway and the service module in return for sending astronauts with artemis

>> No.12279839
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>>12278919
more like
de geso

>> No.12279840
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12279840

>>12279821
Villager pillagers

>> No.12279843

>>12279333
Meanwhile SpaceX and Elon "It works in Kerbal Space Program" Musk is just zooming past them.
My prediction is that Starship will fly before SLS even finishes testing, and SLS will only have token test flights and will never carry a human.

>> No.12279845

>>12279829
Please, not again.

>> No.12279848

>>12279845
I won't.

>> No.12279853

>>12279829
based Krystalposter

>> No.12279863

>>12279843
I think SLS will last until Shelby dies or retires... but not one day more.

>> No.12279878

>>12279863
SLS will keep going with differents names until either Boeing dies off or there is a massive reform in how the congress works and how lobbyists can interact with it.
You can't fix a problem without fixing the cause of it.

>> No.12279881

>>12279776
fuck. what's the hold up? is the welding taking longer than they thought?

>> No.12279896

>>12279110
I would believe it
>>12279816
also sons, catboys are important too

>> No.12279900

What can I add to rocket candy to increase the ISP?

>> No.12279901

>>12279881
There's internal welding too. They might have run into issues with the plumbing for the header tank. That'd be my bet.

>> No.12279902

>>12279821
Peasants need their dose of NTO

>> No.12279904

>>12279881
Turns out it really ISN'T that easy in rocketry

>> No.12279911

>>12279896
>wanting anything other than human sons and kemono daughters

>> No.12279915
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>>12279911

>> No.12279917

>>12279755
>biohazard fuel

>> No.12279920
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12279920

>On September 20, 2013, NASA abandoned further attempts to contact the craft.[77] According to chief scientist A'Hearn,[78] the reason for the software malfunction was a Y2K-like problem. August 11, 2013, 00:38:49.6, was 232 tenth-seconds from January 1, 2000, leading to speculation that a system on the craft tracked time in one-tenth second increments since January 1, 2000, and stored it in an unsigned 32-bit integer, which then overflowed at this time

>> No.12279921

>>12279900
Have a look here.
http://www.nakka-rocketry.net

>> No.12279926

>>12279776
They swaped engines so one or more static fires before THE HOP

>> No.12279927

>>12279920
What mission?

>> No.12279929

>>12279927
deep impact

>> No.12279937

>>12279817
>he can't freespin his mouse wheel for the premium scrolling experience
lmfao

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>>12279920

>> No.12279950

>>12279920
>The Boeing 787 aircraft has had at least two software issues related to time storage. In 2015 an error was reported where time was stored in 1/100ths of a second, using a signed 32-bit integer, and the systems would crash after 248 days.[51] In 2020, the FAA issued an airworthiness directive for a problem where, if the aircraft is not powered down completely before reaching 51 days of uptime, systems will begin to display misleading data.[52]

>> No.12279965
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Well?

>> No.12279969

>>12279965
Every day it passes it makes me a day closer to killing myself.

>> No.12279973

>>12279965
I'm not racist, but this is why niggers are cancer of urf.

>> No.12279974

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/10/the-continued-evolution-of-the-big-falcon-rocket/

Interesting article about the development of Starship
Also the author has a weird obsession with comparing the thrust of Starship to Airbus A380 planes

>> No.12279975

>>12279965
Posting random twitter screenshots should be a ban

>> No.12279977

>>12279965
I won't be satisfied until my people conquer the known universe and then rip a hole into the next universe and conquer that and so on

>> No.12279979

>>12279975
it is, if you report them

>> No.12279980

>>12279975
Twitter itself should be banned by all governments

>> No.12279981

>>12279975
How's it random? Is the discussion around the colonization of Mars not spaceflight related?

>> No.12279984

>>12279979
>report them
coward

>> No.12279992

>>12279981
It’s just some retard on Twitter you screenshotted and posted to troll people, provoke racist statements, and make people mad.

>> No.12279993
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>>12279965
Day of the poultry shears when?

>> No.12279997

>>12279965
>tfw you'll never colonize mars with a semi-black gf

>> No.12280004

>>12279974
NSF autism is stupid. How do planes make a good reference for rocket thrust? It's so much less direct than just comparing another rocket.

>> No.12280006

Ok boiz, how much horsepower is superheavy?

>> No.12280011

>>12279992
I tried and failed. Some people are just going to have their heads in the sand no matter what

>> No.12280019

>>12280006
Is SLS still using trying to use horse drawn carriages to get us into space? I thought by now they would at least have figure out the steam engine.

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>>12280011
>woe is me, the one sane man in a mad mad thread

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>>12279965

>> No.12280023

>>12280004
It's the spaceflight equivalent to measuring everything in football fields and 747s

>> No.12280024

Can you make a sci-fi heat ray with some kinda infrared laser?

>> No.12280025

>>12280022
Based.

>> No.12280037

>>12280020
Except it's the opposite. You're the only one who got their panties in a twist

>> No.12280041
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>>12280024
PROCSIMA particle cannon

>> No.12280043
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>> No.12280044

>>12280023
Why is it that only the Americans use these football field and school bus measurements? Oh, they are the only ones who don't use the metric system.

>> No.12280045

>>12280022
Of course that pussy ass Rogen deleted that tweet.

>> No.12280047

>>12280037
>You're the only one who got their panties in a twist
???

>> No.12280057

>>12280044
Imagine if England was the front runner in the space program. We'd be measuring payload capabilities in stones.

>> No.12280061

>>12280044
>city busses, football fields (nonstandardized euro edition), fucking wales

>> No.12280070

>>12280047
>Posting random twitter screenshots should be a ban
Meanwhile furry porn gets posted in every other thread and no one gives a shit. There's literally nothing happening today, no launches, no news, and the thread is slow. Stop being such a bitch

>> No.12280073

>>12280070
>Posting random twitter screenshots should be a ban
I'm not the one who said that famalan. I enjoy twitter screenshot bants. I was just taking the piss out of your holier than thou attitude

>> No.12280074

>>12279902
>ultra fast air delivery of spicy nitrogen to poor rural regions
truly Xi is all-knowing and wise

>> No.12280075

>>12280070
>thread is slow I'll post garbage
Cancerous braindead zoomer. Take your ADHD somewhere else.

>> No.12280076

>>12280045
Oh he did? Lol

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>>12279776
Closure on the 30th is back in place

>> No.12280112

>>12280076
He cried about antisemites

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>>12279776
hurry up with that welding

>> No.12280152

>>12280112
Source?

>> No.12280156

>>12280152
Yes from the source

>> No.12280168

>>12280022
>>12279965
>Twitter doesn't represent the whole population
>But I'm going to get mad at these few random people who say things that annoy me because apparently *they* represent the majority
/sfg/ in a nutshell

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Why does twitter posting make some people here so upset? Why does laughing at randos on twitter make them kvetch?

>> No.12280183

>>12280168
no, that's just /pol/ tourists who need to go back

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can we get back to talking about catboys

>> No.12280193

>>12280189
i ratter anything than that even the shitposting.

>> No.12280194

>>12280178
People are getting sick of your fucking spam, retard. Monkeys say monkey shit 24/7. You could fill libraries with one day of nigger twitter dunking on shit they don't understand. It's bottom barrel content, make a new thread for it if you like it so much.

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>>12280189
not spaceflight related

>> No.12280202
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Anyone have any documentation about the Raptor when it was a hydrolox engine?

>> No.12280217

>>12280152
Read his Twitter if you really want to see

>> No.12280228

>>12280194
>People are getting sick of your fucking spam, retard.
I'm not even the one posting it ding dong. It's just annoying that every time it's posted there's always 1 or 2 faggots that get enraged and start shitting up the thread by calling everyone retards for looking at it

>> No.12280236

>>12280194
Followup: just to be clear I'm talking about shit like >>12279965 this is literal who shit and serves no purpose but to shitpost. If you're going to repost something it should at least involve someone that matters.

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>>12280196
Catgirls and spaceflight have been entwined since this image was made.

>> No.12280249

>>12280202
if I remember right it was first conceived as a 2nd stage engine, then became a large 1st stage, then the smaller methalox variant we see today

>> No.12280257

>>12280202
that would have been awesome if they had figured it out. Imagine the efficiency. Any reason why they changed their minds? Or was it just because they couldn't make it work?

>> No.12280265

>>12280228
>shitting up the thread
Except it's you getting uppity at being told to stop shitposting.

>> No.12280266

>>12279370
> leave components on the shelf for decades
> they decay
How could this have happened?

>> No.12280267

>>12279965
It's obvious this qt mulatto has fantasies about being "colonized"

>> No.12280268

>>12280257
hygroden has a number of crippling downsides, especially when used as a 1st stage engine. It also run contrary to the goal of high reusability

>> No.12280272

Didn't ion drives become a fad a few years back? were they just a meme? what happened to the idea?

>> No.12280274 [DELETED] 
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>>12280246
not catgirls, although they are fine too
cat boys

>> No.12280283

>>12280272
uh they're real and everybody's using them in their comsats now for positional correction and reaction wheel desaturation
it's cool, we live in the future, no big deal

>> No.12280285

>>12280274
stop with the faggotry already.

>> No.12280287

>>12280274
mate honestly like the gayest fucking thing I've read all month

>> No.12280288

>>12280272
People realized there was literally no way to make them high thrust, and they all run on magic pixie dust noble gases. The current fad seems to be electrodeless magnetoplasma thrusters - VASIMR, eMPD, HDLT, etc. If you can get the engine low mass enough and find a Sufficiently Light Power Supply then those seem to be in the sweet spot of thrust vs. Isp.

>> No.12280289

>>12280272
They're still around. Starlink uses Krypton Hall-effect thrusters. Most are used as station-keeping engines so they're not particularly exciting.

>> No.12280291

>>12280272
>ion drives
>a fad
They've been powering probes since fucking forever. That's the only thing they're good for (exception: maneuvering small sats) but they have a monopoly on it.

>> No.12280292 [DELETED] 

>>12280285
>>12280287
look, if you've got catgirls there's going to be catboys too
and they're going to be cute and they will be my sons and I will pat them

>> No.12280302

>>12280292
Anime and manga is Japans revenge for losing the second world war

>> No.12280303
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>>12280257
>Any reason why they changed their minds?
Most likely storage motivations. Liquid hydrogen requires a huge volume for a given mass, and that will impact how much propellant a spacecraft can store if it's limited in size. Liquid methane is more dense and thus more can be stored.

>> No.12280305

>>12280291
>>12280283
I meant as the high trust all powerful engines they were boosted as once. As >>12280288
it seemed people were just overly optimistic about the capabilities.

>> No.12280306

>>12280070
Someone posted furry pr0n yesterday m8

Rockets

>> No.12280310

>>12280292
>look, if you've got catgirls there's going to be catboys too
Not they aren't just make the vaginal cavity produce some sort of white cell made to destroy any and all y chromosome spermatozoon while leaving the x ones alone.
You get a race of female only cat girls that needs to breed with human men to reproduce and only birth daughters, as god intended.

>> No.12280316

>>12280310
this man is attempting to usher in the monster girl apocalypse, somebody needs to stop him

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>>12280306
lame, post rocket porn

>> No.12280321

>>12280317
lewd

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>>12280321

>> No.12280333
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>>12280321

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>>12280329
>upshkirt

>> No.12280341

>>12280292
Mandatory early screening and abortion of all catboys.

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>> No.12280346

If planets have magnetic fields, shouldn't we be able to use electromagnetism to propel a ship towards them?

>> No.12280349

>>12280292
>he thinks his twisted fantasies will come true
yiff in hell, furry

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12280352

ITT: Post humanoid rockets

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12280353

>>12280345

>> No.12280356
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>>12280317

>> No.12280359

>>12280346
The solar wind is much more powerful. The missing part is that planetary magnetic fields aren't much good for reaching planetary escape velocity. Once you've got high-thrust engines that can yeet you outside the magnetosphere (or you just build a shipyard at Earth-Moon L2 lol) , a Plasma Magnet Sail is pretty much the optimal way of harnessing the solar wind for thrust. At that point the only downside is you need enough propellant to break orbit at your destination planet and accelerate towards Earth, but ISRU can help with that.

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>>12280352

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eueughheeggguegeghhh

>> No.12280367

>>12280361
Wh-wh-where is the SLS ;-;

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>>12280356

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>>12280367
Fat girls too heavy to climb a flight of stairs go on /d/.

>> No.12280375

>>12280367
in shelby's dungeon

>> No.12280381

>>12280367
SLS isn't a real rocket.
Needs gothloli electron though.

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>they know

>> No.12280401

>>12280353
>4 turbopumps
interesting. Also regenerative cooling is used extensively. Not just on the bell. I wonder what a raptor diagram would look like

>> No.12280406

>>12280257
>imagine the efficiency
Why does efficiency matter in a gravity well??? Most Hydrolox engines are fucking garbage for power to weight, and struggle to launch large payloads into orbit, without the assistance of SRB's

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>>12280353
>here's ur engine bro

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which one will get the axe?

>> No.12280431

>>12280352
Daily reminder you’re a disgusting piece of shit unless you work out and eventually look like a Dragon Ball character

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>>12280401
This is a fanmade one.

>> No.12280434

>>12280428
alpaca for initial missions. Starship for base construction. BO's overpriced option is superfluous

>> No.12280440

>>12280428
BlueOrigin

Starship(does what NASA wants + 10x more) + Dynetics (does what NASA wants at reasonable price). BlueOrigin's is using oldspace tactics and its likely to get the ax due to being 5x more expensive for nothing more.

>> No.12280441

>>12280428
If braincells guide the decision, BO. If egos do, LSS 100%. They fear the moggening.

>> No.12280443

>>12280345
Look at all that piping. Looks like a V8 engine. I wonder if they'll ever make one with no turbopumps that works better than a turbopump.

>> No.12280444

>>12280428
What the fucks with the big ass ladder?

>> No.12280448

>>12280428
I'd say either the National Team or SpaceX. I think Dynetics is safe because their design seems to be the most mature safe and the least risky. The National Team might get booted because of multiple different companies trying to work together and Blue Origin's working slowly ferociously. SpaceX might get booted because their design was originally not intended for the contract and is the most ambitious of the three.

>> No.12280447

>>12280432
neat. Looks like a more compact design overall

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>>12280370
Nice!

>> No.12280460

>>12280306
What kind? Was it good?

>> No.12280462

>>12280460
Not as good as rocket lewds

>> No.12280468

Why the fuck is the New Glenn so anemic? 45 mt to LEO, 13 to GTO, that's pathetic for a rocket twice the size of Falcon 9 and with the more efficient methalox engines. It's the hydromeme upper stage isn't it?

>> No.12280469

>>12280428
Blue/Lockmeme lander is downright hazardous, I don't know who thought a thirty foot ladder climb was a smart idea for people in bulky inflexible spacesuits that don't even allow them to look down to see what they're doing. Look, the fucking technicians are using a lift rather than that ridiculous thing.
At least Moonship will be so tall and large that climbing down it simply won't be an option, as I strongly suspect crew will debark by a simple and safe electrical cable lift system, and the ALPACA is so flush to the ground you only need to descend six steps to debark.

>> No.12280475

>>12280428
>NASA picks the national team and Alpaca
>cancel funding for alpaca because national is expensive
>NASA argues they picked the national team despite the price because it's a design they're "used too :) "
>BO+ 10 million contractors has lander finished in 2040 just in time for chink welcome party and SLS green run

>> No.12280481

>>12280444
>>12280469
yeah that ladder is absolutely ridiculous

>> No.12280484

>>12280006
About 3 000 000 horsepower in Turbopumps alone.

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>>12280428
Congress will pass a law mandating NASA use the new Boeing LLS, and cite Boeings overwhelming reliability and worth as a historical contractor :)

>> No.12280491

>>12280489
That looks ridiculously overengineered. It's a Moon landing, not a landing into a hot LZ in hostile territory.

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>> No.12280494

>>12280428
Are they supposed to be able to travel back to Earth in that nosecone?

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>>12280491
get you a girl that can do both

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>>12280489
>Boeings overwhelming reliability and worth as a historical contractor
yeah, about that

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F1

>> No.12280501

>>12280496
I don't know about you guys but I don't think they'll be able to make and compress that much methane in Mars. Why don't they use liquid carbon monoxide instead.

>> No.12280502

>>12280497
>small business utilization

>> No.12280504

>>12280497
He said congress not NASA.

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>>12280491
That's a Lockheed design. They put a Shuttle-X-Wing skin on it and called it a Mars lander too.

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>> No.12280509

>>12280501
>don't think they'll be able to make and compress that much methane in Mars
All you need is a nuclear reactor and a seed supply of hydrogen. That was the sanest part of Zubrin's "Mars Direct" plan.

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>>12280509
>and a seed supply of hydrogen
Yeah, there isn't a lot of that in Mars.

>> No.12280518

>>12280514
That's why you bring it with you. Zubrin's original presentation goes into some degree of detail on how. Hell, even bring it as water and crack it on site if you're worried about boil off. You have the reactor.

>> No.12280519

>>12280501
The inputs are water and CO2 (practically infinite) and power (a bunch of solar panels)
>nb4 noo you can't just put a bunch of solar panels on mars
sure thing COomer

>> No.12280522

>>12280514
What is up with the recent influx of people with selective memory loss regarding electrolysis?

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Did someone say rocket porn?

>> No.12280530

>>12280514
What the hell are you talking about? Water is everywhere over there.

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>>12280519
>Solarlet
Why collect weak shit sunlight on Mars when you could NOOOOOOOOK

>> No.12280532

>>12280514
There's plenty of water ice on Mars. All you need is electricity and solar panels are cheap.

>> No.12280533

>>12280522
>electrolysis?
Yes. Of CO2. Add in a little bit of platnium-group metals and there you go, free rocket fuel for the rest of eternity.

>>12280518
>That's why you bring it with you
Bad idea.

>Hell, even bring it as water
Literal dead weight.

>> No.12280534

>>12280518
>bring it with you
>bring it as water
>muh Zubrin
Jesus christ. Mars has plenty of ice. It has more ice than fucking CO2. What the fuck are you people on?

>> No.12280535

>>12280526
horifiedreaction.jpeg

>> No.12280536

>>12280531
Oh god Oh Fuck I'm Gonna... I'm Gonna... I'm Gonna NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

>> No.12280537

>>12280534
>Mars has plenty of ice. It has more ice than fucking CO2.
Cool, want to spend 30 years dicking around with rovers until we find an LZ with a guaranteed supply, or just send one extra Starship as a water tanker to kickstart ISRU? The economics have changed.

>> No.12280540

>>12280533
>Literal dead weight.
What if the water is brought to Mars in the form of refreshing Mtn Dew(R)?

>> No.12280543

>>12280533
>muh MOXIE rube goldberg contraption
>gets btfo by two fucking electrodes

>> No.12280547

>>12280537
>Cool, want to spend 30 years dicking around with rovers until we find an LZ with a guaranteed supply,
We already know where the ice is, fucktard. They already have SS landing sites narrowed down to a few locales in the same region.

>> No.12280549

>>12280530
>Water is everywhere over there
There is one planet I know of that is full of useable water. There are a few that are full of useable hydrogen. There are a few moons full of useable methane. Mars is a case of "wait, maybe this thing here is water" but it really isn't. They should use CO instead of CH4. How many ships full of water would you need to bring with you to be able to fuel a single Starship back to earth? A lot of them. How many ships would you need in order to use CO? Z-e-r-o.

>> No.12280566

>>12280531
Sure thing, how many people have a Mars ready reactor? NASA has a plan and a prototype. In ten years of discussions you could maybe get them to agree to put it on your ship after redesigning and overengineering the shit out of it because "muh safety", and then you get to talk to the FAA about letting the thing launch. I'll take a flight or two of solar panels per outpost instead.

>> No.12280577

>>12280566
Mars has strong winds, just use a eolic thing and call it a day

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>>12280578
>>12280578

>> No.12280583

>>12280577
Isn't it only 0.6% the density of Earth's atmosphere? It won't produce enough power.

>> No.12280586

>>12280577
Martian winds only reach useful levels over limited timescales. Because these happen to coincide with muh dust, you can get some benefit out of combining them with solar, but it's probably not worth it. Just use stored power (batteries, fuel cells) and solar otherwise.

>> No.12280595

>>12280577
Strong winds in almost vacuum are not exactly powerful

>> No.12280658

Fully Reusable SSTO Nuclear Ramjet Spaceplane

>> No.12280666

>>12280583
>It won't produce enough power.
But the non-existent water can be used for fuel, huh?

>> No.12280690

>>12280666
COpe

>> No.12280696

>>12280041
Replace the solid target on the probe with a magnetic sail and you solve the problems of maximum beam intensity and maximum practical beam collimation. A magnetic sail doesn't melt, it weighs effectively nothing, and it can easily be billions of kilometers in area.

>> No.12280706

>>12280257
Hydrolox sucks as a first stage, hydrogen can cause embrittlement in engine components and make reusability much more difficult, its very low boiling point makes storing it for months or even years in space next to impossible, and it likes to escape from fuel tanks by leaking out from the spaces between molecules (no more stainless steel tanks welded by Mexicans). It's also just generally fucking expensive, and that will eat into profit margins.

>> No.12280710

>>12280288
Can't you make an ion engine with high thrust if you just pump enough power into it?

>> No.12280733

>>12280257
>Any reason why they changed their minds?
For maximizing launch vehicle effectiveness, which should be measured in terms of payload mass fraction to orbit versus vehicle dry mass fraction, a balance of efficiency and thrust to weight ratio must be struck. Hydrogen misses the thrust to weight ratio side of the balance, hypergolics miss the efficiency side. Hydrocarbons burning in oxygen end up near the peak of the curve, where TWR is still high allowing for large stage wet mass and Isp is high too, meaning higher delta V for the same mass fraction. Hydrolox would get a still higher delta V for the same mass fraction, but achieving that with a fuel as low density and hard to handle as hydrogen is not possible.

Technically propalox is the best bipropellant in terms of Isp multiplied by bulk density, but propane would be more troublesome to make in Space from water and CO2 than methane, so they chose methane. As it happens, methane also has a high enough hydrogen to carbon atom ratio (4:1) that you can use it to do full-flow staged combustion, which is the best engine cycle for achieving super high chamber pressures and maximum combustion efficiency. Propane would be close to the limit in terms of clean-burning, it'd probably make too much soot (8:3 H to C ratio). This means that in real life, the best possible reusable engines probably require use of methane and oxygen.

>> No.12280753

>>12280658
This

>> No.12280768

>>12280272
Lots of probes and spacecraft use ion drives, they're just not useful in most situations that aren't "make fine adjustments to this orbit for a long time".
On paper an ion drive gives your vehicle loads of delta V, but in practice if you tried to do something like go to the Moon and back with ion drives you'd waste almost all of your delta V advantage to losses incurred from needing to do a spiral trajectory. Ultra-low thrust to weight ratio takes tricks like using the Oberth effect for reducing maneuver delta V requirements off the table, and also makes every mission take way longer. A chemically powered mission to the Moon from Earth takes about a week, depending on how long you stay on the Moon, whereas an ion propelled craft would take months to spiral aaaall the way up out of Earth's gravity well until it encountered the Moon, then had to spiral aaaall the way back down into the Moon's gravity well until the lander module could do its thing, then after it came back it'd have to do it all over again in reverse.
There's a new design for an electric engine that uses some superconducting bullshit to microwave a propellant and heat it to extreme temperatures before letting it jet out of a magnetic nozzle, and apparently gets something like one newton of thrust per kilowatt of power, which basically means it's many times more powerful than conventional ion drives and may actually be useful for manned missions to other planets if we can get better power supplies. Also these plasma rockets would work with any inert propellant, CO2 or H2O or N2 or whatever you can grab, meaning ISRU becomes much more feasible than having to sift out xenon from underground bedrock pores.

>> No.12280796

>>12280432
I get niggered by the nitrogen and helium lines every time
Raptor only uses high pressure methane and oxygen gas, as well as liquid methane and liquid oxygen. If there's a third gas fluid, it's nitrogen for purging lines before and after burns. Absolutely no helium at this time, Elon hates helium.

>> No.12280805

>>12280468
Actually it's because BE-4 is kinda shit in the TWR department and because the first stage booster needs to reserve propellant for a wasteful hover-landing. Remember that BE-4 despite being 50% larger than Raptor only produces 13% more thrust.

>> No.12280807

>>12280501
>Why don't they use liquid carbon monoxide instead
Because Raptor doesn't burn liquid CO.

>> No.12280815

>>12280514
>Yeah, there isn't a lot of that [hydrogen] in Mars.
There's quadrillions of tons of water ice on Mars, and many dozens of times more than that locked up as hydrated minerals if you're desperate or if energy costs are no issue.

>> No.12280841

>>12280518
>That's why you bring it with you. Zubrin's original presentation goes into some degree of detail on how. Hell, even bring it as water and crack it on site if you're worried about boil off.
Think for a minute, anon. Why would you bring water? You want to bring hydrogen, I get it. Why choose water? it's a horrible hydrogen-storage compound, only two atomic mass units out of every 18 are hydrogen. Hydrogen itself is the best in terms of specific concentration of hydrogen atoms, but it's shitty to handle and store long term. You know what the next best thing is? Methane.
Seriously. If you are scared of not finding enough water on Mars to make your methane, just send the methane from Earth. You only need to send ~260 tons of it to completely fill a Starship, since the remaining ~940 tons of propellant is all liquid oxygen. Methane masses less than water per molecule, yet carries twice as much hydrogen per molecule, and of course is the actual fuel you want on Mars and can use the exact same storage system as the main propellant supply.
We're never gonna send water or liquid hydrogen to Mars, except for the small amount of water that humans use day-to-day. At most, we'll send enough methane to guarantee a return option as long as the crewmembers can operate a CO2 electrolysis machine to generate all the liquid oxygen necessary.

>> No.12280922

>>12279578
starship WILL NEVER EVEREVER EVER EVER goto saturn. Chem rockets for a saturn trip is just down right retarded.