/sci/ - Science & Math

STACKED FINALLY

FOLD THE FLAPS OUT ELON DO IT

What was NG thinking?

I haven't followed SpaceX shit really closely in about a month, did they finish the high bay yet or is it close?

>>12262082
the sun sets on oldspace

>>12262096
They're currently building a bar on the top level. It's like 99% done.

>>12262095
"We're not allowed to buy more NK-33s and we don't have a domestic option."

>>12262096
It's either done or almost done. Elon is joking about building a bar on top of it with panoramic views.

>>12262095
imagine the smell

>>12262096

>>12262103
>Elon is joking
For better or worse when Elon says he's going to do something it's almost never a joke

>>12262082
stacked by bugger 288 no less

>>12262103
>Elon is joking about building a bar on top of it with panoramic views.
He's not joking, look at it.

>>12262082
HOP WHEN

>>12262115
NEXT WEEK

>>12262115
First one I'm gonna be a little bit sad if/when it explodes

>>12262082
>>12262088
>>12262092
I am a ULA chad personally, always have been always will. Am I supposed to find this, I don't know...Impressive?? ULA has been putting on nosecones for over a decade, and yet when SpaceX attempts to put on the nosecone, 10k people are watching and everyone gets excited. Lol, I am not even sure if this is serious or not, if basic rocketry is something to get excited over, SpaceX has a LOOOOOOOOONG way to go, seriously.

>>12262115
We'll probably get a new set of closure dates tomorrow, I'd expect a pressure test in the next few days, static fire a day or two after and then maybe 1-2 weeks for the hop, assuming everything checks out.

>>12262126
Go get excited over the purchase of a Russian engine, "chad".

Fattening your elonauts so they don't need heavy food supplies!

>>12262126 (You)

>>12262126
Remind me how many times SLS's upper stage has been fully assembled.

>>12262126
Sick pasta dude

>>12262132
based and fastpilled

very fitting backdrop

i wonder if they purposefully waited till evening for the view

>>12262082
She’s so cute bro’s....I don’t want to see her die :(

>>12262107
fuuu~UUUCK!

>>12262123
two weeks at least, we have to redo the first static fire campaign

>>12262125
>>12262145
It's literally going to succeed 1st try, you all know it deep down.

>>12262126
No luck launching them Delta IV Heavies then?

>>12262130
>>12262134
cmon guys

>>12262155
It's the middle of the fucking night and I'm drinking.

>>12262126
>Poggers?
You have to go back

>>12262082
>>12262146
ELON MUSK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A FIELD. WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS.

>>12262151
You'll jinx it you motherfucker

>>12262100
>the sun sets on oldspace
kino

>>12262082
Does this qualify for AirForce's definition of vertical integration?

>>12262132
Fat is the most energy dense option, this is actually viable and would filter soft pussies who weren't going to make it anyway. Plus they will be mad healthy after 3 months of autophagy.

>>12262100
Yeah I'm thinking kino

I tried to spam nigger in NSF chat but i think i'm getting autofiltered :(

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARcgqTx3NOg

>>12262154
It's just the one actually

i pity the dead who can no longer no such kino

>>12262179
chat is paypiggies only

>>12262181
Fuck that pussy music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58wJRrvVgZI

when is Elon's space X presentation? Is it going to happen before or after FLOP?

>>12262195
Probably, though they may wait until they have a full mockup of the Lunar lander Starship and SN9 on the stand.

>>12262194
It's objectively the best music for a huge, advanced spacecraft reveal. I stand by my choice.

>>12262189
oink oink

SO FUCKING COOL

>>12262181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwxYiVXYyVs

>>12262181
18m Starship (if you doubled all of it's dimensions and not just it's width) is getting near to the size of Enterprise's engineering hull. Unfortunately, unless propulsion and power supply technologies get really weird in the 2100s+ I don't think we're ever going to see a ship with the bizarre layout of Starfleet designs but with minimal orbital assembly we'll have ships of equivalent sizes or even larger.

What happens if they put it on crooked?

>>12262207
They fix it

>>12262206
>Unfortunately, unless propulsion and power supply technologies get really weird in the 2100s+ I don't think we're ever going to see a ship with the bizarre layout of Starfleet designs
If the photon loop emdrive design works out you can actually stack the cones inside each other and get something that looks very much like a warp nacelle.

>>12262207
There are probably identifiers on both parts so that doesn't happen

Today's thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGBohd0V2Mo

“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen”

>>12262212
that "if" is bigger than 18m starship

What's happening?

>>12262214
Brings up memories of running people down in GTA:Vice City

>>12262225
it

>>12262150
FUCK THAT 15KM HOPS EVERY DAY UNTIL CHRISTMAS

Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0azMOJ-h_o

>>12262215
Between this and the /pol/itical stuff that's definitely this week.

>>12262225
SN08 had its top half put on, making it the first fully functional and fully built Starship prototype.

I hope she doesn't belly flop on anything important.

In a way, each of these Starship prototypes are giant nails in the coffin for oldspace. Starship is the Sputnik moment of the 21st century.

>>12262206
Will you nigger please learn that doubling the diameter does not mean that you get to double the length? You might get a tiny bit more length due to fuel volume vs tank surface area scaling, but generally speaking an 18m Starship would be roughly the same length, just thiccer.

>>12262242
>I hope she doesn't belly flop on anything important.
I heard they are going to re-land on the same pad as SN5 or SN6, but that sounds insane to me.

thread theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8

>>12262243
I wonder if they will have the fins deployed on launch. My KSP experience tells me they will have a bad time.

>>12262247
They'll likely do the same thing they do with Falcon 9, where they aim a few hundred meters off to the side in no man's land, and then one the engines ignite and everything appears to be working they skew themselves over to land on the actual pad. That way if something doesn't go according to plan they can just crash off in the ocean or a field.

>>12262240
Starship is welcome either way, if America is preserved than Starship will be a perfect tool for furthering America's objectives in space. If America begins a spiral into societal degeneration and tyranny than Starship provides at least a potential for escape.

>>12262240
this shit looks so fucking comfy compared to what we have now.

>>12262082
>It’s real

>>12262254
KSP avionics is stupid, you can compensate for a lot with active control. Still, don't see much reason to fold them out until necessary.

>>12262254
As long as the Superheavy fins/legs are large enough, it should pull the center of drag down far enough to keep it stable. Also IRL they have a whole lot more avionics and telemetry to react to that you would in KSP, so they can abuse the engine gimbals to overcome any remaining instability. Keep in mind that most modern fighter jets are built right on the edge of aerodynamic stability and rely on the flight computer to keep them from spinning out.

TWO SEXY SLUTSHIPS ASS2ASS

>>12262262
Soon.

>>12262258
I'm surprised Elon doesn't just land it in his front yard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqSMw38LYA8

thread theme

>>12262278
Elon doesn't have a front yard anymore.

>>12262243
>>12262082
come to think of it they're going to need a fucking monster crane to put this thing on top of super heavy.

And I don't even want to consider the engineering required to get the entire stack structurally stable during max Q. Though I guess they did it with the Saturn V, but Starship doesn't taper down like the Saturn and I think will be more top-heavy?

>>12262262
This is as close as the chinese get to happiness.

>>12262273
The first space warships will probably look a lot closer to what you see in Children of a dead earth.

>>12262286
brainlet who learned everything from ksp. isn't top-heavy good? all the stability problems i ever run into in the game are because i don't have enough ballast.

>>12262286
On the pad the vast majority of the weight will be in the SH both due to the fuel and due to the shitload of engines. The curious part is going to be mid flight when the booster is nearly empty but the SS is still full. With Raptor's throttlability I'd assume that they can just let off a fair bit to get through MaxQ like they do with Falcon 9.

>>12262262

>>12262298
It's good for stability but you need to be careful of structural loads if you have most of the weight near the top. Never forget SN3. It sounds like the SH is gonna be pretty heavily reinforced inside so it hopefully wont be much of an issue.

mk1 vs sn8 comparison

>>12262316
Soul
Soulless

WTF? And then the Chinks get all the bad rep for copying.

>>12262327
i hate that meme so much i don't know why

>>12262330
NO BULLY POOR ROSCOSMOS

>>12262330
elon STOLE grid fin from russia anyway

>>12262312
>just put ivan in the stowage compartment

>>12262316
>be careful who you call ugly in middle school

>>12262334
Stole?
A good idea is a good idea and a basic concept like using grids to increase surface area on a control surface isn't property of Russia.
What is certain is that the US's rocket is flying, and Russia's doesn't even exist.

>>12262334
The ruskies will get methane right.

>>12262316
It’s beautiful

>>12262354
Is that a fucking spacex X on the landing pad

>>12262262
>The US iPhone kiddyseat
>The Soviet Cuddlebus
>The Chinese Communist Socially Distanced Copy

>>12262354
>5 engines
>re-entry and landing burn on one engine
Yeah, sure. Better fucking hope you can throttle those fuckers down into single digit percentages.

Look at all the tourists taking pictures

>>12262354
Regardless, it’ll be cool to see a falcon 9 style rocket but with a purple flame.

So...what now?

>>12262371
but that's mary

>>12262377
Look to the right

>>12262376
Now we play the waiting game for the 15km hop.

>chat demanding that we rename SN8 to "Starship One"
Jesus you fags we already had one confusing change of naming convention, can we just stick with what everyone knows?

>>12262376
Now we dance

>>12262376
failed landing burn and explosion takes out the high bay

>>12262376
One more static fire just to make sure, then flight.

>>12262381
>chat

>>12262381
the first two manned starships to land on mars should be columbia and challenger. otherwise let elon do is meme iain banks names.

>>12262365
Russian rockets don't need to land at 0 m/s unlike murican ones. The pee ceremony makes them stronk.

>>12262385
yes

>>12262384
three more static fires

>>12262395
I'd expect two more back to back to test relighting/header tanks, beyond that I don't see a need for another.

There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?

>>12262389
Hopefully Elon will do an internet poll for the naming.
>inb4
>Starship Starship
>Starship Boing
>Starship Windmill of Friendship

>>12262388
The livestream hosts read their chat and talk to thousands of people, if they gin up some retarded new naming scheme it's gonna catch on.

>>12262206
Enterprise's center of mass is way off

>>12262406
I doubt it. SN has been used for a year, people won't change because some no name paypigs in chat

>>12262402
>>12262389
The first manned SS is already named Heart of Gold.

>>12262389
NASA will beat him with nuclear propulsion.

sauce:
>https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1347342/nasa-news-nuclear-propulsion-dan-goldin-nasa-nuclear-power-spacecraft-evg

>>12262397
just because of this, four more static fires

>>12262402
starship mc starship face

>>12262381
>people are already getting attached
bad move

>>12262401
Based and prophetpilled

>>12262423
>Don't get attached to the starships

>>12262415
wish elon wasn't so gay

>>12262427
if they really do crater imma have to shoop this

>>12262389
That's like naming your new cruiseliner the Titanic. No one is going to want to ride on that thing.

>>12262429
Get ahead of it bro, shoop da whoop

>>12262207
At least they got it on right-side-up on the first try.

>>12262429
Imagine if we still did this today
PETA would have a heart attack

>>12262442
Laika will be avenged.

>>12262430
You'll find enough people who want to honor their bravery and send a message that the deaths of fourteen astronauts weren't in vain. If Starship works then they'll have died so the shuttle's errors could be rectified and the dream of affordable spaceflight could be reborn.

>>12262100
PENIS
IT'S A PENIS
PENIS

>>12262429
>Don’t get attached to the Starships
Seriously bro’s SN8 is so cute. She better not explode.

>>12262385
Absolutely flawless hop, then it land's inside the high bay.

>>12262461
Yes.

hey VR chad, can you recreate that webm of the guy taking pictures up anime girl skirts but replace the model with a starship one?

>>12262463
it's ok, anon. Her sacrifice won't be in vain. She'll die so that the ones who come after won't have too.

>>12262495
THEY WILL ALL DIE

>>12262402
SS Gushing Granny

>>12262469
Thanks for the new get

>>12262254
even with KSP physics and aerodynamics shit like that will fly just fine if you're using something atmosphere autopilot or TCA that implements proper fly by wire stability control shit, so it would probably be fine either way as far as stability goes

>>12262113
how much does that thing wobble up at the top

>>12262389
Pillar of Autumn when?

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW

BIGU ROKETTO

>>12262580
He's already building what's basically a goddamn Warthog, I wouldn't be surprised if that's a legitimate possibiliy.

>>12262583
When is Elon going to reveal that dearMoon is actually just going to be entirely vtubers?

>>12262580
gay

https://www.supercluster.com/astronauts
^^ OK BOYS, here's all the astronauts (and astrogirls AWOOGA). Let's find the HOT ones

>>12262126
How many times has ULA reused a booster stage?

Do they have their own satellite constellation or no?

>>12262262
How the hell did China and Russia become world powers?

>>12262626
you can save a lot of money doing virtual launches of virtual people

Do any of them play Kerbal?

>>12262670
by developing that exact system over sixty years ago. The question is why Russia stayed a world power.

>>12262673
Putin somehow got the Oligarchs and criminal syndicates reigned in well enough for the country to least resemble a united nation.

>>12262647
Beth is cute. And not a waifu but this pic is pretty amazing.

>>12262673
>why Russia stayed a world power
At this point, they're really more of a regional power with the ability to threaten the world with their nuclear arsenal. Their economy is much too small and oil centric to fund any kind of global influence.

>>12262692
Russia is more than capable of conquering and subjugating her smaller neighbors. If the US becomes less interested in playing world police, they will do so more openly.

>>12262682
Beth isn't a real astronaut, she's a karmenliner

>>12262698
Assuming the EU stepped in to fill the gap in NATO left by the US, the Russians will be similarly hamstrung. Of course, it’s not necessarily a guarantee that the EU would be able to organize any sort of coherent defense policy in the absence of American subsidization.

>>12262647
Nicole Stott is a zero G QT

>>12262716
The EU is a huge mess with too many dying old people and soulless sterile atheists suffering from an impending demographic replacement and growing internal conflicts. Russia is going to map paint like it’s a game of Europa Universalis IV if the US actually loses interest in playing defender or becomes too weak to do so. I don’t view it as a bad thing per se, it’s just an observation. I’d conquer the earth too if I could.

>>12262151
I'd like to see a good RUD, but the universe hates me, and that's how I know it won't happen.
>>12262206
>the bizarre layout of Starfleet designs
It's supposed to be due to how warp technology works, it needs a pair of things to generate the warp field, but set away from the crew area... or something.

>>12262698
If that doesn’t make Western Europe get its shit together then nothing will.

>>12262380
Anyone have any predictions on the eta for the first 15km hop? We looking at a week max if the static fire with nose cone goes okay?

>>12262212
>if

>>12262737
The Russians are in an even worse demographic crisis than the euros are.

>>12262747
Yeah I know why Star Trek ships go together the way they do in lore, doesn't make their layouts any less strange.
Obviously there was a desire to not have every ship be some permutation of near-featureless cylinder, cone, rectangle or ovoid, and the specific design was settled on because the ship was aesthetically balanced in essentially every possible camera angle.

>>12262737
With brits being out we now can actually start forming EU military albeit slowly. USA just has a problem in that when NATO handles most of the defence they can use it as political leverage. Too strong independent EU means that we might not do what USA prefers like with the Nord Stream that is getting build even when USA absolutely hates it and is threatening sanctions on european companies.

Honestly the lappadre commentary isn’t nearly that bad compared to the NSF commentary

>>12262782
Agreed, they're more mellow there. And while they may be less informed, they dont act completely retarded

>>12262778
>we now can actually start forming EU military
That’s never going to happen. France wants to use such an organization to play empire in Africa, the Krauts are too busy pretending to be self-righteous to agree to any sort of military escalation that doesn’t directly defend themselves, and the eastern half of Europe doesn’t trust the western half to defend them. Unless the EU actually federalizes and procedures a coherent foreign policy that gets buy in from everyone involved (which will never happen), an EU army is a complete pipe dream.

>>12262792
>EU Federalizes
Holy shit, imagine all the WAR.

>>12262792
How the fuck would they even communicate? They all have different languages.

more like science-fiction general.

amirite ???

hey /sfg/ I just want you to know that I love my time here and all of you

>>12262811
/sfg/ is a mess

>>12262816
hey anon i want you to know you're a faggot

>>12262811
based

>>12262816
faget

>>12262782
NSF is absolutely GOAT autism tier, I fucking love it over there. Tracking down serial numbers and model numbers for each random piece of equipment that rolls in on a truck is just amazing, they are one of the only other places on the Internet with weapons grade focused autism.

>>12262816
Same anon

>>12262810
Exactly. That's why the EU will almost certainly remain nothing more than a way for certain interests to vaguely pressure its 'members' into compliance with the wishes of people who would otherwise have to take the long way around to do the same thing.

Reminder that it only took SpaceX 14 months to go from Starhopper hop to SN8

>>12262816
nuclear thermal sniffing little girls.
bezos and i have much in common

>>12262824
they have good info but the donations and questions they go through are so repetitive that you have to tune out half the stream. "hop when?" "mars when?" "earth to earth when?" "can it ssto?"

it's probably the same anywhere though because there just isn't that much to talk about on an hours-long stream where nothing happens.

>>12262825
based anon!
>>12262820
>>12262823
why so mean?

Assuming your starship is facing exactly away from the sun, will you be able to see any stars, even though you aren’t in the earth’s shadow?

>>12262852
trick question, your starship is a tanker and has no windows

>>12262856
Actually want a serious reply...

>>12262831
>"hop when?" "mars when?" "earth to earth when?" "can it ssto?"

Literally /sfg/

>>12262860
>Actually want a serious reply...

>>12262856
this, there are no buses in Gensokyo

>>12262860

>>12262825
>>12262816
Me too bros, since we finally got our general out of the clusterfuck of space threads a few years back it's been so comfy, nice post speed, autistic rocketfrens, good OC. Enjoy it while it lasts though because soon starship will be flying and we will have a mass influx of normalfags and redditors.

>>12262877
Naw, /sci/ is too obscure for anyone to come here on mass.
Unless hiroshimoot draws attention to /sci/ like that one time moot did for that mars rover.

What the fuck is going on with ads today, seen some weird shit.

>>12262829
And now they are churning out SN8, 9, 10 and 11 concurrently with parts seen for SN12 and 14 plus SH1. Elon has been saying from the beginning that the hard part is mass production, not building a single ship.

>>12262884

>>12262829
What was SLS doing 14 months ago?

>>12262886
I'm sure this can't possibly go wrong.

>>12262884
/qa/ has a thread on it
personally I adblock

So is SN8 standing on it's own? Crane looks still attached.

>>12262877
if things continue according to elon's plan the expanded space industry would probably warrant its own board

>>12262884
You might be going to the bad timeline

>>12262887
Got curious so I checked myself
http://spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=54449

Press Release From: NASA HQ
Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2019

NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine announced July 25 the agency will conduct an “Green Run” core stage test for the Space Launch System rocket ahead of the upcoming Artemis 1 lunar mission.

>>12262181
>>12262204
>>12262194
STEP ASIDE POORFAGS

>>12262919
Wait, isn't that the same thing they said they're doing this coming spring?

>>12262292
consider: rocinante, but everything reactor back is a Superheavy booster just welded on

>>12262751
are raptors not regeneratively cooled yet? I don't see any piping along the bell

>>12262924
That is correct anon

>>12262916
Orange Starship looks pretty cool. I like a glossy orange-black color scheme

>>12262928
you don't need piping for regenerative cooling. see: merlin 1D.

>>12262928
Pipes are old. But aesthetic.

>>12262933
So SLS just skipped a whole year and nobody noticed?
I guess they fired that old SRB, so that's something haha
fuck

>>12262924
>Elon has gone from a literal quarter inch steel boilerplate mockup with a Raptor, to a full sized aerodynamically correct prototype Starship in 14 months
>SLS has done nothing

>>12262922
oops forgot link
https://youtu.be/0mcw9TuKDh4

>>12262945
space is hard don't judge unless you're a rocket scientist

>>12262928
>>12262936
better look

>>12262937
>>12262936
>SpaceX instead is using channel type construction, where the nozzle and combustion chamber are formed as a single piece of metal, and then the cooling channels are etched or milled as channels into the metal. A sealing layer is then brazed over the open channels to seal them and turn them into individual cooling tubes
ohhhh, I see. Neat.

>>12262955
metal

>>12262955
I'm gonna COOOOOM

>>12262916
Kek

>>12262852
if your eyes are dark adapted yeah, not if you have lights on inside

▲
▲ ▲

>>12262916
>why the starship had to be painted orange
>IM GOING TO NATIONALISE THIS UN-AMERICAN COMPANY IF THEY DON'T START USING PRODUCTS FROM THE GOOD STATE OF ALABAMA

I really hope the engines don't pogo themselves apart

>>12262955
My ancestor :)

>>12262976
You have failed the Mars Colony Entrance Examination please try again in 10 Earth years

>>12262987
My dream job would be rocket engine mechanic on Mars or Luna, cunts bringing in raptors and shit to your workshop and you take them apart and fix them, arg I'm gonna COOOOOM again.

>>12262987
>Most advanced rocket engine in the world
>Pulled in the open air by a pickup like it’s hauling hay bails
I love it

>>12262987
>>12262993
>oldspace babying their 70's engines like they'll break if you look at them wrong

>>12262993
How do they manage that shit too? I thought engines are fragile. It amazed me when SN5’s raptor survived a hurricane and then lived to hop her

IT'S FUCKING HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12263003
why the fuck does the RS25 need all those fucking boxes and plumbing what the fuck is going on in there

>>12263007
space is hard anon

here's ur engine bro

>>12263004
Raptor/Starship is played loose and fast simply because they want to get development done, so they can afford to assemble stuff outside. Merlin/Falcon has paying customers and runs pretty tight with restrictions and cleanliness/packaging because the stakes for failure are so much higher.
The externals of the engines aren't really that fragile once everything's integrated and sealed up. The internals and especially the seals and leakage paths are extremely sensitive to little flecks of crap, shavings, bees, etc but one it's together, on the outside it's literally just sealed metal pipes and housings. Everything is anodized, plated, or stainless so it'll be fine outdoors.

>>12263009

>>12263003
i'm pretty sure those rs-25s get packed up like that because they're going from huntsville to kennedy. i doubt they drive raptors on pickups all the way from hawthorne to boca chica.

>>12263005
Not gonna lie, the painted nose with the polished body is the most aesthetic option yet

>>12263015
Boeing and rocketdyne would never ever ever transport an SSME on a truck/forklift uncovered, even between locations at Stennis

>>12263005
Another one. Just realized these were made by the same person who made a golden looking Starship render some of you might've seen and yes, these are intentionally resized as he's paywall patreon fag

>>12263026
Moonship doesn't have aero surfaces though.

Top 10 MOGGINGS in history

>>12263048
Anon these are literally renders of boca SN8 not Moonship

>>12263054
SN8 doesn't have a white nosecone and isn't a NASA ship, anon.

>>12263055
how much you wanna bet on that, anon?

>>12263048
>>12263055
Jesus christ, nasa's monday moon announcement is that it has atmosphere

>>12263060
It's out?

>>12263063
starship hop when? any estimate? its gonna be totally mad, like, once it takes off it will either perform a maneuver that will look absolutely crazy, probably the most impressive fast movement of such a bulky item ever made by any mankind

but if it fails , oh boy will it leave a crater

what do you guys think? its fun being part of this epic mind community of space lovernthusiastss almost as if were all ap art of starship, because any big company is a team, and webeen rotin from dayone

I can't wait to see Starship in its final form. SN8 already looks so kino. I'm legit kinda tearing up from the beauty and shininess alone. I can't wait to see this damned rocket with the shuttle coloration.

>>12263068
>space lovernthusiastss almost as if were all ap art of starship, because any big company is a team, and webeen rotin from dayone

Seek medical attention

>>12263068
>starship hop when? any estimate?
im gonna pretend this is 100% of your comment. There's no fixed date but it's expected in the following weeks

>>12263068
Go away Tim your wife divorced you

>>12263092
bro look at his HEAD

>>12263068
From what i've seen the interesting behavior of Starship is not on the way up. It's on the way down. Starship must perform a massive bellyflop maneuver in order to slow down when coming in from orbit, and operates in the post-stall regime with those massive flaps to stabilize before doing a little kick flip for the landing burns. The amount of avionics is insane. The fin actuators are hulking Tesla-made motors.

>>12263068
Meds. Take them.

>>12262100
checked and kino as fuck

>>12263092
She's probably seething inside now that he is fucking loaded but yeah imagine being married to him in the early days, some balding numale posting nerd videos in a fucking flight suit. Yikes.

>>12263101
I’m worried that the flaps are gonna be shit. They’ve gotta move fast

what is the next step? starship media day or they try directly to static fire with nosecone on?

>>12263101
>Starship must perform a massive bellyflop maneuver in order to slow down when coming in from orbit, and operates in the post-stall regime with those massive flaps to stabilize before doing a little kick flip for the landing burns.

Honestly I don't see most of this being very hard, they will definitely yeet a few prototypes into the shadow realm but should be smooth sailing after that. I think the real challenge is the heat shielding.

>>12263102
>>12263073
lol at the stupid hater-rightwingidiots who think that weapons and hatred and sexual repression is even 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% as good as freedom nature green mind integration, seek the peace, live the all

also, this is a board for space discussion and your responses to my 100% objectively yes space related comment were 100% objectively completely non yes realted so please pwioxy please please stop breaking the rules that i respect and you dont. thank you for accepting this chance to stop being inferior to me

>>12263107
To be fair though Tim isn’t a bad guy and he’s actually pretty endearing. I hope he finds a good girl eventually.

>>12263117
holy based

>>12263068

LMAAO I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE TOO, KIND STRANGER

>>12263113
Probably a static fire then a double static fire then big hop and explode.

>>12263115
>Honestly I don't see most of this being very hard, they will definitely yeet a few prototypes into the shadow realm but should be smooth sailing after that. I think the real challenge is the heat shielding.
maybe it isnt actually hard, but it sure looks hard. it has to do very precise movements with the flaps, not only with the rockets at the last possible moment, fuck it up even a little and you wont end up vertical near the ground with 0 speed and its game over

>>12263118
>he's a nice guy

Um, yikes sweety.

>>12263126
Nice... even if it explodes it won't be a waste tho and surely will be kino to watch, like this one was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUT8At4UM30

>>12263126
suppose starship campaign goes perfectly well, is it possible that one of the SN that have currently started been building end up getting to orbit? furthermore, if it all goes exceptionally well, would it be possible that one of the test items ends up being an usable starship?

>>12263131
>is it possible that one of the SN that have currently started been building end up getting to orbit?

I could see that happening yeah, doubt it would make it back in one piece though.

>furthermore, if it all goes exceptionally well, would it be possible that one of the test items ends up being an usable starship?

No way, just on the fact they wouldn't risk payloads on early prototypes.

>>12263059
They literally just put the nosecone on SN8, it’s the silver one. Idk which nosecone they painted white (or why) but it is not sn8

>>12263131
In my opinion SN11 or SN12 will go to orbit.

>>12263107
I wonder if he ever fucked in the spacesuit.

>>12262316
The fins have definitely been improved.

>>12263125
lmao
>>12263068
Anon this is autistic tier but I will agree with you. It either flies safe or explodes during some mid air redbull race maneuvering. It would absolutely suck if it exploded before it even took off and tipped over or something and just kind of popped with a little bit of fire. I want to see it at least teach it’s target altitude and fall down to test the aerodynamics

>>12263131
thank you for translating my mastergeniuscoment
>>12263068
into the language of geniushater non vegan-poly-communist-alllover

>>12262393
Well, technicly you *could* land with an accelleration of 20-30 m/s^2 , however such a suicide burn would be realy hard to execute with sufficient precision.
Keep in mind:
F9 can't hover either, it's thrust to weight ratio when almost empty on a single engine at minimum power is still greater than 1.

>>12263092
How the fuck do y’all know he’s divorced like has he mentioned it or something?

>>12263149
>It would absolutely suck if it exploded before it even took off and tipped over or something and just kind of popped with a little bit of fire.
i think we can give enough credit to spacex to say thats very unlikely, they wont launch until they guarantee the engines work perfectly, so we can count on the rocket taking of the ground we can also count on the servos from the engine working as they have a lot of experience in it.
but when it comes to the flaps in which they have little experience and the fact that all computations have to run perfectly well in a matter of seconds (the flop maneuver) well, those are two very risky situation. so in a nutshell once its up it will go down either perfectly or extra explody

>>12263158
what are you on about schizo?

>>12263137
>No way, just on the fact they wouldn't risk payloads on early prototypes.
what if its a starlink batch?

suppose that being extremely optimistic SN9 gets to orbit and SN10 also goes to orbit, they deconsturct both of them to study them but they still have a bunch left over, if they can be confident they work, why not save like a couple of billion dollars in falcon launch costs?

>>12262810
A certain version of english that got heavily influenced by Beamtendeutsch so britbongs don't understand shit.

>>12263170
Strong and valid point. They scrub even if the back up sensor to the back up sensor has an anatomy
>>12263144
This is from a while ago but last year Musk said he fully expects SN20 to be the first orbital starship (this has likely changed though)

>>12263174
The first payload will probably be a dummy payload, like the Roadster for FH. The next ones will be Starlink, and only after that will there be any customer launches.

>>12262792
>That’s never going to happen
Maybe...

>>12262820
kys

>>12262916
wait what

>>12263176
>an anatomy
paint me like one of your french sensors

>>12262976
You will never go to Mars newfren

>>12263174
A starlink batch is still a lot of money, especially a massive starship batch. They would definitely wait a bit and put them on a later model.

>>12263182
i think there will be a period of a few months in which the us goverment will be like "holy fuck this actually works" and instnatly flood starship with funding.

like, if starship works you could have a moon mission a mars mission a venus mission and even an europa mission for half of the assigned budget to the sls.

its just that much easier to do it if you have a cheap reliable way into leo

>>12262816
This is gay but I agree. I refresh this page all fucking day. Lots of shit here makes me laugh and I’ve probably more than doubled my knowledge of spaceflight thanks to everyone’s concentrated autism

>>12263193
you could test it with a small batch, maybe leftovers from an obsolete batch that could still be useful

>>12263191
Oh no we uploaded Musk’s historic neuralink AI to the starship’s computer and it has become sentient. Where is it flying first bros?

>>12262816
i love you too, but once we get to space its every man for himself again were gonna be at each other throats, this is just a world wide truce until we get the sci fi future we were promised

>>12262976
Hold my beer.

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>>12262151
See, I obviously want it to succeed, but unless it fails, they won't find the weak points, figuratively speaking. That's how SpaceX operates- fly and die.

>>12263196
NATIONALISE THIS ANTI AMERICAN POSTER IMMEDIATELY.

>>12263196
Don't be too optimistic. Government customers still don't really want to fly on reused boosters so we have to keep building brand new S1s for them. I think it changed a bit recently but I'd still expect them to be cautious dipping their toes into Starship.

>>12262357
low key, SN8 is actually gorgeous

>>12263203
>it’s headed directly towards the SLS’s test stand at Stennis
>it’s not performing the braking burn for some reason

>>12263212
>Government customers still don't really want to fly on reused boosters so we have to keep building brand new S1s for them
I'd see it as a bonus, you can charge them for building the booster and after the first flight, it's still in great shape and basicly free except for refurbishment (on F9).
That nearly free booster can launch a few more times and you make a lot of money with each additional launch.

>>12263227
>I'd see it as a bonus, you can charge them for building the booster and after the first flight, it's still in great shape and basicly free except for refurbishment (on F9)
This would be a great business model if the government can actually come up with payloads that’d require a superheavy to fly.

>>12263212
reused boosters still dont offer a literal 100.000 times cost reduction on exploration missions

>>12263233
some sort of orbital facility where you deposited large amounts of propellant could find use pretty fast...

>>12263227
I thought they amortize the cost to give them a good deal even on a new booster with the understanding that they will reuse it and make money later.

>>12263237
So, some depot for propellant?

>>12263233
The military definitely has some glownigger black ops shit on the books that they want in orbit but was too large or heavy to launch previously. Kinetic bombardment, lasers, space to space weaponry, that sort of stuff.

>>12263236
>offer a literal 100.000 times cost reduction on exploration missions
How much does launch vehicle cost contribute to the total cost of your average space probe? I’ve been under the impression that the payloads are almost always way more expensive than the launcher.

>>12263233
>This would be a great business model if the government can actually come up with payloads that’d require a superheavy to fly.
literal manned moon mission to europa.

spaceflight is really easy if you dont have to worry about cost to leo. seriously, its only expensive now because everythign has to be both ultra light and ultra reliable, that drives up costs like a motherfucker

if you can skip cost to leo then literaly any hobby could win a moon lander in his yard

>>12263237
STOP RIGHT THERE BEFORE I NATIONALISE YOUR ASSETS

>>12263238
No, they charge 100 million for each launch for the goverment and 60 million for normal launches.

>>12263236
I meant it as an example of how government customers are. They're not going to flock to Starship immediately for the sole reason that it's "not proven enough yet" or some other excuse. We have this in mind and the current plan is to continue building and launching F9 without slowing down at least into 2022. Maybe after that there'll be a transition period and F9 will ramp down.

>>12263246
>literal manned moon mission to europa

Imagine the government putting this mission together you fucking imbecile

>bunch of starship launches
>idk 100m for a shitload of payload in orbit

>payload and crew
>500 billion dollars equally distributed amongst aerospace production states
>equipment readiness date: 2060

>>12263246
I think SpaceX should produce a stupid powerful expendable upper stage for superheavy to offer high energy transfer trajectories for space probes. Imagine how much time could be saved if you could do a direct Hohmann to the outer solar system instead of half a decade of gravity assists.

>>12263247
>pic
Fuck off commie

>>12263252
At 100 million/launch F9 probably is profitable even in fully expendable mode and still relatively cheap compared to the competition.

>>12263265
Imagine unironically defending sh*lby you newfag tourist, fuck off back to /ptg/.

>>12263263
Unironicly a Centaur in a Starship payload bay.
(or a used up Raptor with a stainless steel tank)

>>12263245
>I’ve been under the impression that the payloads are almost always way more expensive than the launcher.
because if your rocket costs 100 million and even if you had the money to pay another one you probably have to wait at least a couple of months even years before trying again then you have to make sure its reliable, absurdly reliable oh and also extremely light weight becasue cost of $/kg to leo is too high

that ends up in having every component custom designed by a team of 100.000 harvard graduates that earn a ton of money and each of those components is hand crafted by 100.000 ultra skilled workers that have to be lured with ultra high salaries. all of this for an acceptable 0.0000000001% chance of failure

but if oyuo take that off of your equation you could make your starship out of literal shitty steel modules in any regular foundry and just put it up by pieces, achieve a 0.01% failure rate and if it fails well you can still send 200 of those for the same price than a traditioanl probe

this is literally a god tier advancement of science and tecnology that will resul,tl in technopositivist future of the mind

>>12263281
>that ends up in having every component custom designed by a team of 100.000 harvard graduates that earn a ton of money and each of those components is hand crafted by 100.000 ultra skilled workers that have to be lured with ultra high salaries. all of this for an acceptable 0.0000000001% chance of failure

Imagine thinking that this will change just because the launch is cheap, do you know anything about government programs bro?

>>12263281
>your rocket costs 100 million
That's not what a real rocket costs, a Delta IV heavy alone costs 150 million, getting it fueled up, on the launch pad and launched probably another 150 million.
Nobody is going to launch your payload for on 100 million, space is hard.

holy shit the amount of happening that has happened while I was at work
holy shit holy fuck oh god
>>12260564
yes, paper airplanes can survive entry from LEO
probably
I don't think anybody's ever tried
>>12260694
they're weebs
pic related
>>12262060
you can shove over 1000 people in there for E2E flights airliner or roller coaster style, anon

>>12262165
not enough clean rooms

>>12262377
>THAT'S Mary
jesus, I can understand why she was so butthurt about people calling her Maria lmao

>>12262948
MARS FOR THE PRIVILEGED
EARTH FOR THE POOR

>>12263380
MARS FOR WHITES
EARTH FOR NIGGERS

japs can crash on phobos tho

>>12263060
LINK

>>12263117
bssed! let us breastfeed from the stars anon, ad pectus lac

>>12263380
I think it’s much more likely that the super rich and poor will stay on Earth, as it will always be more livable. Mars will be dominated by middle class merchants and ambitious people looking to get in on the action, like early English colonists in North America.

>>12263406
USA was shithole before 19th century industry boom.

>>12263406
and then we drop rocks on them, right

>>12263406
JUST FORGET IT, YA AIN'T COMING HERE
THE TICKET'S TOO DEAR

>>12263406
Mars will become an industrial hub that will power humanity's expansion into space.

You know what? I am against the oppression of tardigrades. I think tardigrades need to be able to go anywhere in the freakin Solar System that they wanna go

>>12263439
Based but even those tough cunts won't be able to survive anywhere really except maybe Europa oceans.

>>12263452
>land dehydrated on ice moons, comets, kuiper objects
>rehydrate in a billion years as sun expands
>tardigrade empire

>>12263468
REHYDRATE

REHYDRATE

REHYDRATE

>>12262082
imagine once the bottom part of starship is built and musk says fuck it and does a demo landing on the moon.
how badly would old space seethe.

>>12263535
Worldwide ban on private spaceflight and immediate nationalization of all spacex assets.

>>12262082
also no one has pointed this out. The lunar version of starship has no fins which to me indicates its not made for earth reentry. would it just be a platform for getting humans from an orbital space station to the moon only.

>>12263544
>getting humans from an orbital space station to the moon only
using moonship as a dedicated shuttlecraft even though it's like 2-3 times the size of the fucking gateway is hilariously overkill

>>12263544
It has been pointed out. You land one of those and you get...
A very big Lunar station.

ShitX is a stupid fantasy company that will NEVER turn a fucking profit.

Pretty funmy DC-X video from back in the day-
https://youtu.be/sWidwDMqchc

>SSTO WILL WORK

Could they make a non-stainless steel version of Starship to get the price down super low? I mean it's not going to rust in space right (apart from on the inside maybe)?

>>12262778
An EU "army" would be formed for one purpose and one purpose alone. Policing.
And it would be very effective since Spanish members wouldn't have qualms about cracking skulls in Greece and Greeks wouldn't have qualms about cracking skulls in France and so on.

>>12263544
i think it will make sense once you have a very big base that requires lots of consumables, before that it will be hilarious overkill

>>12263557
the red pen that i hold in my hand is ALL OF THE UNIVERSE AT ONCE AND TRAVELS BACK IN TIME AND ALSO ADVANCES 0.00001111 MILIMITERS AT A TIME TOWARDS 5 POITNS AT THE SAME TIME AND IS ALSO ADVANCINGS AT 189203819280321038129038129038912038912038912038912038901283901238 times to the power of 182930829103812903891023819023890123890123891028390128390128391203890123 times THE SPEED OF LIGHT WHILE NOT EXISTING AT ALL YET SOMEHOW BEING ACTUALLY YOU , YOU ARE THE PEN BUT ALSO NO YES AROUDN AND EVERYTHING EVERYTHIGN!!!!!!!!!

oh sorry, were we playing "false statements"?

>>12263560
They'll probably use the same steel as the one they use for the cybertrucks. Going with cheap chink "decays in a day" carbon steel might not even work because of its temperature properties and other structural related stuff.

>>12263552
Aren't raptor engines strong enough to pull it out, especially considering the low gravity and dusty regolith?

>>12262778
the european union will never be a central power, never ever, youre miles below china and russia (russia could kill all of the eu in a day by closing down an oil pipe)
and themselves are trillions of miles below america
and in the craziest scenario taht anyone could even begin to aproximate to even clome close to dream to become someone htat could aproximate to dream to become someone that is in a position to even consdier being close to bveing close to start planning being close to dreaming to being close to dreaming to be even 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% more powerful than america before the sun comes down it will literally 100% confirmed to be china and not anyone else and certainly not the irrelevant europeans who after WW2 have been condemned (objectively scientifically and wihtout discussion no mnatter how much the truth hurts you ) to be idiots with no independence that have to suck cock, someones, they have to do it, they cant choose, they will never ever neveler have indepence and is all flase to them

>>12263560
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>>12263569
would htere be any advantage, if starship proves to work perfectly to make a carbon fiber version? how about for the 18m version?

>autistic arguments about the EU
Is this Star Wars general?

>>12263569
It's not a matter of engines it's a matter of fuel. The alternate design pretty much confirms Moonships will be "expendable" (read stay on the surface likely as habitats).

>>12263551
lol the scale of that shit, just proves government cant keep up with private. if gov gave the contract to musk or even bezos we'd have a rotating space station complete with garden by now.

>>12263573
Carbon is DOA.
There might not be any weight saving from it and could in a way turn out heavier due to stricter heat shield requirements.
Then you go from few hundred thousand dollars/hull to hundreds of millions and you can't even weld them in the open by spics.

>>12263559
>Columbia happens
Space is hard :DDDDDD

>>12263559
This is required watching bros

>>12263551
>uh, Heuston, requesting permission to enter the starship for a shower
>*zhzzkkk*
>Negative, Gateway. Contamination protocols will have to be updated.

>>12262778
>>12262737

im curious why some of these declining population nations dont just IVF the fuck out of their populations OR put horny medication into the water supply.

in a 100 years or more the only people to inherit the earth will end up being either religious zealots or some corporation who artificially creates humans.

>>12263602
Because its easier to import niggers and pajeets who breed like rabbits and consoom like you wouldn't believe.

>>12263600
>Sorry Houston you are breaking up
>*makes hissing and crunching noises into mic*
>Going to have a shower and drink at the starship minibar, will be in touch later

>>12263615
and then when your nation dies what then.

>>12263602
>im curious why some of these declining population nations dont just IVF the fuck out of their populations OR put horny medication into the water supply.

Because they don't want independent European thinkers, they just want negroid/mutt consumers. You can cry pol Nazi all you want but that is the clear policy of almost every European nation.

>>12263623
You have an economic region full of perfect consoomer drones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sInxOaEBPJk&feature=youtu.be

>>12263623
You act like global finance cares about nations and demographics, protip they don't. Look at Brazil, a mutted disaster zone yet still stacked full of willing corporate slaves and consumers.

Shit that’s never going to happen

>>12263634
Oh no it's definitely going to happen

>>12262942
But it's real anon, you can see it there on the test stand!
>>12263118
>Tim isn’t a bad guy
Not a bad guy, just very cringe. He fucking loves space.
>>12263131
>it possible that one of the SN that have currently started been building end up getting to orbit?
No, just like Shuttle Enterprise was never going to orbit. These are all prototypes to test launching and landing.
>>12262976
>>12263207
newfriends can't triforce, let me show you, this one won't work:
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>>12263634
To be a fly on the wall at Boeing and lockheed if this happened though

It's definitely not a shitpost or he wouldn't have been conscientious enough to tell you the name star bar is tentative

>>12263664
Alt codes don't work.

>>12263557
Cope more Bezos you raging ballsack.

>>12263557
HE MADE IT IN FIELD
WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS

>>12263674
why not
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Results over rethorics.

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>>12262884
>not using adblock
wtf r u doing with your life

>>12263706
based, mommy is a doer

>>12263118
>>12263664
My issue isn't Tim, but rather Tim's audience. No one cared that Bill Nye's PBS show was goofy, wacky, SCIENCE IS COOL oriented since it was focused specifically on trying to get kids interested in STEM. Tim is sort similar but instead of trying to angle for that PBS YouTube programming that exists now, he pivoted towards an audience that also looks like Tim.

>>12263452
Europa oceans are very hospitable, even at the very bottom of the ocean the pressure is around the same as the bottom of the Marianas Trench on earth I believe, which is still a lot but that is 100km down. That’s what low gravity does.

I'm wondering if some of these small launchers transition to medium and eventually heavy lift.SpaceX started small with Falcon 1 after all.

>>12263718
I think the distinction is that Bill Nye was putting on his behavior as an act. Estronaut is unironically not acting, he is like his audience.

>>12263557
I think that’s what most people thought back in the 2000s

New Caspar/Stanley

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=565aa064de192478&tk
SpaceX offshore crane operator job.
They building a sea launch!

>>12263782
Credit : /u/Straumli_blight

>>12262955
>injector plate baffles that are made of more injectors
genius

>>12263004
>I thought engines are fragile.
Oldspace engines are built to be fragile on purpose, as a joke.

>>12263782

>That image in the banner.

That realy put a smile on my face. The dream is close bro's, realy close!

>>12263278
>Centaur
Too small

>>12263557
Welcome time traveller! Did you know that Donald Trump has become president now?

>>12263801
I thought it was to get an extra 5.3 Isp out of them?

>>12263560
>Could they make a non-stainless steel version of Starship to get the price down super low?
What are they gonna make it out of that's gonna be cheaper than stainless, dude? Stainless is already dirt cheap. The cost of labor putting Starship together from rolled steel is already dominant in terms of actual unit cost.

>>12263778
>>12263736

>>12263782
Sounds like a 300k a year job.

>>12263828
No, it's to save an extra 1kg per engine

>>12263573
>a carbon fiber version?
Never happening, there's no real-world advantage to CF.
>18m version
Stainless steel all the way to the stars

Thinking about it:
>to go significantly beyond LEO with a decent payload, Starship needs to be refueled few times
>exactly how much isn't known yet and depends on the required deltaV
>probably more than once for lunar missions
That means several launches and docking maneuvers have to happen just in time or the mission is canceled/needs backup launches.
However if someone had a superchilled fuel depot in LEO, it could be refueled ahead of the mission and the manned starship would only need to dock once.
This would also allow for fully fueled tankers in LEO flying to the lunar lander and refuel it or the lunar lander flying to LEO to refuel there.

Tell me /sfg/, is there a good reason not to have an orbital fuel depot?

>>12263630
Mars Direct is the best oldspace-oriented space program design ever made, and it's a shame it's never gonna happen.

>>12263887
instead we will storm the beaches

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Spacex/reviews/worst-place-to-work-if-you-have-experience-welding
Boca chica welder isn't too happy

>>12263896
Huh try this link
https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Spacex/reviews?fcountry=US&floc=Brownsville%2C+TX

>>12263901
SpaceX tends to weed out the weak, which is probably why they're able to do what they do.

>>12263736
They currently have their market. Muscling in on SpaceX means they're in for some very stiff competition against someone with half a decade of experience ahead of them.
Would you rather be a small fish in a cube sat pond, where you can be ruler of the pond or will you be a sardine going up against the whales?

I think they'll stay in their comfy little ponds to be honest.

>>12263914
Idk, this noe guy seems like a real nutcase. I wouldn’t call taking pictures of bad welds and then saying those are somebody else’s welds you don’t like is weeding out the weak.

>>12263886
It costs more to develop a purpose-built depot. Just send up Tankers to refill a Tanker, then your manned spacecraft docks with that Tanker to completely fill up in one go, and then it can leave. Accomplishes everything a depot would get you except you aren't ever locked into one inclination and you don't spend any extra money beyond Starship itself.

>>12263901
Sounds like every fucking shit site I've worked at in the past in the oil industry in Norway. There's always that one shift boss you want to avoid getting on his shift, because he's fucking shit at his job. Doesn't know what he's doing and expects you to suck his dick because he sucked a lot of dick to get that middle management position that he doesn't have the skillset to hold down.

>>12263923
Fakers won't last long. It that person is faking he will fall soon

>>12263886
>just in time
Or else what? Will it suddenly lose orbit and burn back to Earth? Why not launch the crew ship a little early if you think a tanker problem might cause you to miss an interplanetary window?
>depot
Depots only work if you know in advance what orbit to put them in, AND which phase of the orbit too. Orbital mechanics doesn't let you pull off the highway and make a quick detour to a random Exxon station. Every mission is going to have different orbital parameters, so either you have to time launching all your missions with an instantaneous window to meet the depot, or the depot becomes useless and you might as well de-orbit it, something a tanker would already have done.
If you can build and launch a dozen tankers easily, why add another launch to put a stupid depot in orbit?

>>12263901
>jajajajj

Do you think John Carmack could have made it today if he had enough cash being thrown at him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuJ_jASXMVY

>>12263847
I despise the Launcher logo. Reminds me of 21 Pilots.
Also, I'm surprised at how big Firefly's rocket is.