/sci/ - Science & Math

Jesus told me

What proof do you have that it isn't?
The burden of proof is on the idiots suggesting magical bearded man in the sky.

I am materialist and reject metaphysics.

>>12228055
An atheist is a person who lacks belief in gods (see Google definition).
Why do you need proof to lack belief in something?
I'm guessing you lack belief in Odin or some other god.... where's your proof?

>>12228074
I think that's an agnostic.

>>12228090
Literally first sentence of wikipedia:

"Atheism is an absence of belief in the existence of deities."

If you just wanna argue semantics then that's pretty lame.

Ultimately no one claims to know 100% that God doesn't exist. Atheists don't do that.

>>12228063
>another atheist bringing up burden of proof

These guys can read carl segan and richard dawkins all day but they can't be bothered to open up a dictionary. Google "faith", you may learn something very cool

>>12228101
Google faith:
>strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Why is that "cool"?

>>12228099

>disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

not your fault bc the definition is retarded, agnosticism is the lack of belief, while atheism is active disbelief. It's fair to ask an atheist for the evidence behind their disbelief, but not fair to ask an agnostic for evidence behind their lack of belief.

>>12228105
It's right in the definition my guy, no proof needed. Religion doesn't seek to prove anything, but instead tries to foster a belief that transcends the need for objective knowledge in the material world

I can't prove it obviously. But it makes 0 sense to me, a scientifically trained person, for the world to be ordered according to the Bible. If all religions in the world came to more or less the same conclusions over the ages I would buy it more.

But not like this. Is there some sort of causal power thats larger than life and permeates the universe? I dont know but there is plenty of room for this kind of vague fuckery in physics still.

But its not the biblical Abrahamic God.

>>12228110
Lol you're just ascribing a definition out of ur butt. Regardless, I've never met an "atheist" who asserted 100% that God isn't real; it's just as retarded as asserting that he is real.

>>12228116
Why would I want to foster a belief that transcends objective reality? It's like begging for insanity.

>>12228132
https://www.learnreligions.com/atheist-vs-agnostic-whats-the-difference-248040

Made a mistake, I'm strictly talking about gnostic atheist of which I've met a few.

>>12228132

The same reason why you would pursue an answer to questions like "What does love feel like?" or "How does something taste?". There is good reason to believe that questions like these will never have an objective answer, but we obviously have sensations of love and taste. It is the goal, then, to seek knowledge that is apparently unknowable. This is the entire basis of metaphysics.

>>12228154
I feel love because it's biologically engrained in me as a human, and emotions like love are the beautiful result of thousands of generations of my ancestors looking out for each other and surviving. It's a beautiful thing and I'm so thankful that nature gave us this gift.

>>12228154
Anyways, it feels good. It feels like I want to be connected with another person and care for them. You don't need metaphysics to describe or explain it, you just need a creative and intelligent mind.

>>12228400

>>12228429
All I know is that I feel something and that I'm able to describe it to other people who feel similar things.

>>12228055
Evidence for atheism:
>look around you, where is the god?
Evidence for flat Earth:
>look around you, where is the curvature?

>>12228055
none.
atheism is a religion edifice, you moron.

>>12228055
If you ask religious questions with science you get useless tautological answered from the definition. That’s bad philosophy and you never actually apply science unless you’re answering the question inefficiently.

>>12228055
>Retard positions
Theism - God exists ok1!!!! Please believe me look here are some retarded ontological proofs
Atheism - Just as dogmatic as the Theist except towards the non existence of God
>Ok position
Agnosticism - I admit I do not know and will never know.
>Based position
Pantheism - God is the totality of existence, the sum of all being, potential and actual.

>>12228063
>materialist
>believes in burden of proof
how did atheists get so retarded?

>>12228429
Nobody claims love can turn water into wine or send me to hell when I die

>>12228063
>I am materialist and reject metaphysics.
you sound dull as fuck

>>12228586
>where is the curvature
airplane flight paths etc.

>>12228586
>evidence against flat earth
plenty
>evidence against atheism
none

dont have any im caodaist

>>12229041
>god is just the whole universe dude!
>No I don't worship, or believe that god has any real impact in our lives, and I don't really believe in the afterlife. I definitely believe in god though haha

everyone above this post is going to hell and they don't want to accept that

>>12228110
agnosticism is the lack of knowledge and atheism is the lack of belief.

>>12228055
Atheism makes no claims, it's the rejection of one; god exists.

>theist: god exists.
>atheist: I don't believe you.

>>12228055
Lack of evidence of god is proof enough.

What makes you think that superstitious, desert-dwelling primitives knew more about the world than scientists today?

If you want 100% hard, solid proof in a lack of a god, you won't find it. However, if one is bereft of schizophrenia and has at least some intelligence, you will find that nothing in this universe suggests that there is a sentient being behind it. See: natural selection.

Darwin killed theism dead and fucked it's corpse.

>>12228055
There is no evidence to support the hypothesis of theism, nor does it explain anything.

>>12229056
That's dumb. So if I stab you 30 times I'll never truly know the effect it had on you?

Are religious people really this stupid?

>>12228063
>I am materialist and reject metaphysics.
Materialism is a metaphysical thesis.

>>12228063
Lowest IQ poster on /sci/ right now.

>>12230806
>taking the bait

>>12228063
>I am materialist and reject metaphysics.
Refuted by Quantum mechanics and causality. Next.

>>12229149
Nice strawman atheist trash.

>atheism thread
>>>/his/

>>12228055

>>12228055
It’s a null hypothesis ya dingus

the 2016 election was a mistake. i hate godtards.

>>12229041
>Atheism - Just as dogmatic as the Theist except towards the non existence of God
ah yes the dogma of minding my own fucking business

>Pantheism - God is the totality of existence, the sum of all being, potential and actual
proof?
>Please believe me look here are some retarded ontological proofs
i love how you insulted yourself in your own post

>>12230784
>Darwin killed theism dead and fucked it's corpse
redditors still can't accept this

>>12231710
Nah, the dogma of absolutely disregarding the existence of God, when he cannot be proven or disapprove. I respect Agnostics a billion times more then I respect Atheists.
>proof
It's logically concluded from the proposition "There cannot exist in the universe two or more substances having the same nature or attribute" which I've taken from Spinoza's Ethics. Unless you want some Empirical proof? Of which I have none.

Atheism is going from one end of the retard spectrum to the other, true chads embrace not knowing

>>12230784
>>12231735
Darwin was a Christian though

>>12231710
>it's dogma to do whatever the fuck you want
so all animals are religious?
>There cannot exist in the universe two or more substances having the same nature or attribute
proof? sounds intuitive but i'd like to see the proof of this proposition, from which axioms it follows? but wouldn't this actually disprove your pantheist god? if he is all things and yet none can have the same property or attribute?
>>12231832
literally not true, you're honestly pathetic

>>12228055
the egocentric predicament

>>12228110
there is evidence to not believe in the god of the bible like their lackluster predictive hability of the bible and its prophecys. so you can affirm with certainty that the god of the bible does not exist, because if the bible is wrong about their god means that the thing their describe is not real. cant say if any other does not exist

>>12231810
>it's dogma to do whatever the fuck you want
so all animals are religious?
>There cannot exist in the universe two or more substances having the same nature or attribute
proof? sounds intuitive but i'd like to see the proof of this proposition, from which axioms it follows? but wouldn't this actually disprove your pantheist god? if he is all things and yet none can have the same property or attribute?
>>12231832
literally not true, you're honestly pathetic

>>12228055
if i could prove that every religion is false would you still believe in a God?

>>12228055
Everything ever

>>12228586
Eratosthenes proved the Earth was curved by observing the lengths of shadows from vertical poles at different latitudes. This was almost 2000 years ago. you can read about it here. https://www.britannica.com/biography/Eratosthenes