/sci/ - Science & Math

>tfw you make it through selection but you get put on the boeing team

>>12218044
What's with the finger salutes?

>>12218044
Starliner flying astronauts never ever

>>12218055
"1"

>>12218049
I feel sorry for the recently-graduated engineers who thought they were being given a great opportunity when they got assigned to Starliner.

>>12218055
They’re the first regular service commercial mission to the ISS. Alternatively, they’ve taken to the teachings of the Quran, and are making the symbol of “no god but Allah.”

>>12218055
they are implying that they've all fingerblasted your mom
alternatively, they are checking for the direction of winds

>>12218065
Wasn't she fired for this? She's not working anymore at least lol

>>12218070
Good. Stupid bitch. How the fuck is landing on planets (with the intention of growing plants and studying rocks) in ANY way "colonialism"??? Who the fuck we colonizing? Microbes?

>>12218065
Sounds like colonialism is FUCKING AWESOME.

>Most of us were terrified of TV cameras and public audiences. NASA was no help. There was nothing in our training to prepare us for the great unknowns of the press and the public spotlight, an astounding oversight given that astronauts were the most visible ambassadors of NASA. Apparently the agency thought our talents with machines extended to the lectern. They did not.

>One of the most egregious examples of an astronaut abusing the microphone occurred when a pilot, who was renowned for a sense of humor Howard Stern would have found offensive, attempted to hide his nervousness by opening his speech with a joke. With a hushed and expectant crowd of hundreds awaiting pearls of inspiration from one of American’s finest sons, he threw out the following:

>A golfer walks into the clubhouse with a severe injury to his neck. He can barely talk. His buddies rush to him: “Bill, what happened?” Bill goes on to explain. “I teed off on number eight and sliced my shot into the rough. As I was looking for it, I noticed this woman searching for her ball in the same area. When I couldn’t find mine, I walked up to a cow grazing nearby thinking the ball might have ended up between its legs. But again, it wasn’t there. Finally out of frustration, I lifted up the cow’s tail to see if maybe it had hit there. Sure enough, a golf ball was stuck in its rear end. I looked closely and noticed it was a Titleist. Since I was hitting a Top-Flite, I knew the ball wasn’t mine. So, with the tail of the cow upraised in one hand and my other hand pointing at the animal’s ass, I shouted at the woman, “Hey, lady, does this look like yours?” That’s when she hit me across the throat with a seven-iron."

>It might have been appropriate for a group of golfers or military pilots or any similar crowd of crotch-scratching, crude, and coarse males. Unfortunately, the astronaut in question delivered this joke to open a high school commencement address!

-Mike Mullane, Riding Rockets

>>12218071
don't you know? scientists OWN the moon. you are beholden to their stipulations. you may not go to the moon or mars until they give you permission

>>12218075
Huh

First for gas core NTRS

>>12218075
Absolutely chad move.

>>12218065
Yes.

>>12218075
>During the flight a horrific earthquake hit central Armenia. Warped humor featured it in the post-flight debriefing. Gibson told the assembled astronauts "I know you were very curious about our classified payload". The attention of the group was riveted. "All I can say is that Armenia was our first test target - and we only had the weapon set to stun".

>>12218065
This is most of the continuation, which makes her assertion of colonialism about 0.00005% less idiotic. She's worried about the regulatory language for samples opening up helter skelter moon mining, but resource extraction is A: not colonialism and B: not against the principle that the Moon is for all mankind.

>>12218075
i love me crass jokes, but that one just seems bizarre. hardly offensive

>>12218075
>Mike Mullane, Riding Rockets
I actually met that guy at KSC when I was 7 or so. He had a signing going on for his 2 books (Riding Rockets and a children’s q&a book titled “Do your ears pop in space” or something like that).

I thought I’d seem really sophisticated and mature by picking up the “adult” book and having him sign it, but he started laughing at me and told me it was inappropriate for my age and told me to put it back. I got the other book, but still haven’t read Riding Rockets to this day.

>>12218090
I get her point but as long as we see space as some heavens that can only be reached by the best of the best, we will never actually become a spacefaring civilization. We have to think of it more as like a new world ripe for settlement, honestly.

>>12218091
I mean, he's talking about assholes in a commencement speech in the 60s, it seems plausible that some people will fan themselves over it.

For those who missed it in the last thread
>>>/wsg/3646407

>>12218090
>if we do it without examining what the unintended consequences might be, it's going to cause disasters.

the disaster being what, some rocks get knocked over?

>>12218090
from L'Affaire Tardigrade

>>12218100
I assume more like poor working conditions that rile up the nascent Beltalowda, or some The Moon is a Harsh Mistress shit going down. Lunar rebellions are a solid subgenre.

>>12218105
>the moon exists for us to create policy and ethics regulations
the nerve of this nigger

>>12218105
>Planetary scientist
>Don’t want interplanetary colonization
What the fuck? It’s just like the astronomers who shit on SpaceX (which is understandable but still)

>>12218073
Always has been.

Fucking specific question incoming, but seeing how no astronaut has open DM's I need to ask here: Do you need to be scuba certified in order to even use the neutral buoyancy lab at JSC?

>>12218105
>biological planetary scientist
>thinks there’s human shit on Mars
Affirmative action is one hell of a thing.

>>12218114
it's like >>12218081 said, there are scientists who think that space is solely their preserve and that the space program exists only so that we can fund and applaud their research

>>12218120
Probably? I know that scuba certification is a sought after trait on astronaut resumés, though.

>>12218105
What the FUCK is that second comment? What does any of this have to do with race??? Fuck white people amirite, right outta left field

>>12218128
Yeah I would assume you would need to be. Im assuming scuba certification is part of the astronaut training process. As a geology major I would love to go to JSC and suit up in an artemis suit and simulate an artemis EVA. Just a vanity wish of mine

>>12218129
Lmao she just came out swingin'. It's like these people have been pre-programmed to say the things they say; literal NPC's

>trying to drive to next biome by headlights
>rover randomly goes soaring into the sky
AAA BLYAAAT

>>12218134
>>12218129
She might have dissociative mulatto disorder. Terrible disease

>>12218142
you using downward thrusters to maintain stability? i been dying to create a fast af rover for mun or other low g bodies

>>12218142
How many mods do you have installed? That seems rather extensive.

>>12218142
is it possible to complete rover contracts with propulsive hops instead of wheels? i've been thinking of trying that next time i play RP1 because i hate rover contracts so much but i'm not sure if it'd fail the mission for not being a real rover

>>12218105
This one only gets more retarded as you read the whole string. https://twitter.com/AstroTraviesa/status/1160320076874207232

Basically, she's freaking out because we've left organic matter and tardigrades on the Moon, and dismisses anyone who says "but there's no life there" as white male colonialists.

But that's window dressing. The particular tack her argument takes doesn't really matter, she's just choosing words that she thinks will get listened to. There have always been, and always will be, people who argue that [X] should be left pristine and untouched, and there is absolutely nothing that will please all of them. We could check every square centimeter of the moon for life, and they'd find something to be upset about (but how do you know we'd know moon life when we saw it!?!?!?).

It doesn't matter what their argument is, it doesn't matter what measures are taken to address them. All we can do is take reasonable measures, like baking the Mars rovers, and proceed, because they'll carry on like anyone disagrees with them wants to start a fish farm on Europa immediately.

>>12218152
To be fair to that hypothetical person reeing I do want to start my own fish farm on europa.

>>12218152
this is so unbelievably hilarious to me. i can't breathe it's too much. i'm gonna miss reading this shit when i move to mars, putting blood sweat and tears into the martian soil

>>12218156
Sure, but you're going to wait until we've sent multiple missions to check out what's under the ice, not immediately.

>>12218152
It's almost literally crabs in a bucket with them.

>>12218152
>Fish farm on Europa

Yes please, to go with my comfy reverse skyscrapers anchored to the underside of the ice.

Can't we just send these colonialism libertards to China, and let China send them to an organ harvesting gulag?

>>12218157
Um sir you have a call on line seven; it's the based department

>>12218149
about 130 by ckan, probably about half of those are just autoinstalled frameworks and stuff and then maybe another 10 or manually installed one

>>12218148
I tried that when I was designing it, but I gave up because I couldn't find a good way to control them separately from the regular RCS controls and I couldn't fit very much gas for them on the rover

>>12218150
you can, but it's tricky because the map view isn't really precise enough to place waypoints exactly on the contract zone and the manual navigation marker isn't very useful from the air
I think TCA or some of the other navigation mods let you create waypoints directly on the contract zones though, so you could probably do that or just hop around a lot until you get to the right location

>>12218164
Enjoy having soijack setup your martian colony lmao.

Why did NASA want to make Ares I and Ares V? Why not build just Ares V or something. Why make 2 rockets?

>>12218178
Why does NASA want liquid hydromeme and solid boosters? Why does NASA want booster sustainers? Why does NASA pay gorillions of dollars for everything?

Answer: because they are a government agency

>>12218182
If you thought solid boosters are bad hey ready for HYDROLOX BOOSTERS!

>>12218178
>Why not build just Ares V
Orion was meant to be simultaneously the basis of a lunar exploration program and a replacement for the shuttle to transport crew to the ISS. Flying an Ares V for every crew rotation was never going to be financially feasible.

>>12218187
>Better payload than SLS
>bad

smile for the camera, deimos!

>>12218188
Ah that makes sense.

I am incredibly autistic and yes, I have read the entire ESAS report. I still can’t believe though they shit in Atlas V so bad... and then wanted to fly crew on it like five years later lol. In a better world NASA decides to make Atlas V Heavy with a Dual Engine upper stage, while pursuing Ares V in 2006. Even with SLS’ 11 year delay, we’d still see a flight of Ares V in 2017!

>>12218178
Ares I was supposed to fly Orion to the ISS and if you launched both for a moon mission then you didn't have to man-rate the Ares V

>>12218193
Ares V wasn't going to be available any sooner than SLS is because the J-2X was a disaster

>>12218200
different anon, but what was the big deal with that engine? im not aware of the history

>>12218200
J-2X was done in 2014. They just cancelled it because they realized that SLS can get to 130 tons to LEO without it.

>>12218200
Really NASA should have been working on a top loaded orange tank variant since Challenger. Once the tank works the rest of it is relatively easy.

>>12218211
it's not that easy

in rocketry

>>12218211
>Once the tank works the rest of it is relatively easy
It’s a fucking tank. We’ve been making them since the industrial revolution. I genuinely cannot understand why it’s taken so much effort to build a pressure vessel in a slightly more conventional shape than its previous iteration.

>>12218224
Um space is hard ok sweetie?

>>12218211
I’ve always wondered what would’ve happened if NASA chose Jupiter in its original form. Would we be on the moon by now?

>>12218224
It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>12218229
SLS isn’t all that different from Jupiter, is it?

>>12218209
It was the pacing item on Ares V development. They thought that by switching to RL-10s and RS-25s they were pushing its first flight up from the mid-2020s up to 2016.

>>12218210
RL-10 was done in 1962 but that doesn't mean they were going to have an Ares V upper stage ready any sooner than they're gonna have an RL-10 upper stage ready.

>you can rename vessels and change icon in the tracking center without switching to each one and right clicking the command part
holy FUCKING shit

>>12218235
1/2

>>12218235
>>12218245
I mean it seems like it’s pretty similar to the shuttle ETs. Funny enough is that Jupiter can put as much onto a TLI as SLS can thanks to its balloon upper stage

>>12218134
She got a LOT of shit for this. The moon is fucking dead and gets pieces of rock blasted up to it by impacts with earth constantly. It no doubt has had all kinds of organics smeared across is surface over time, to absolutely no consequence-everything just dies. If you're a particular type of minority that's been hyper-sensitized to racial issues,you'll assume a racial motive to how people respond to you if it is even remotely negative. It is a fact that had this been posted by a white man, the reaction would have been identical-no one cared about her being a woman or a minority,they just thought what she was saying sounded fucking stupid.

I'm very very leftwing-UBI, universal healthcare,I absolutely despise the idea of an unfair society and think race/sex has no place in evaluating someone's worth as a person,clean energy-but I can't stand idpol. Idpol is a fucking op that destroyed OWS and allows godless corps like Goldman Sachs to throw a rainbow flag across their shoulders and get away with raping the middle class.

(also, I bet you anything this lady who wants to wall off the moon is super anal about the idea of the US enforcing its immigration laws. ain't life grand?)

Wouldn't Ares 1 actually be perfectly sensible on a Pyrios booster rather than a Shuttle SRB?

>>12218248
Honestly I think “Democrats” will eventually split in the future given how divided they are on a lot of issues. Probably not though, but still I mean there’s idpol retards like her and then full on socialists/communists then boomers who just have nostalgia for Clinton (male)

>>12218250
A crew capsule on a kerolox booster is basically F9+Dragon.

Looking through the Augustine Commission and it's pretty clear that congress is fine with orange rocket because it's doing what it was planned to do from the start. They wanted to have an "Ares V Lite" a.k.a. SLS flying bullshit missions like asteroid capture and Artemis 2 in the early 2020s before landing on the moon after 2024.

>>12218250
If Commercial Crew never happened, probably. I think Dynetics proposed a “single stick” launcher design that was basically what you described.

Martian solid SSTOs when?

Any /sfg/ approved podcasts? I'm a fan of MECO/OffNominal

>>12218270
India is working on it. A methalox solid hybrid motor.

>>12218166
here's my patented three step process for breaking speed records on the moon:
1. push the go-faster wheels button when you're building your rover in the spaceplane hangar
2. rebind your wheel controls so they don't conflict with your rotation controls
3. having enough reaction wheels or RCS that you can just straighten yourself out in midair
4. having powerful enough RCS that you can hoverslam your way out of jumping off of a kilometer tall cliff or two by just pushing J or whatever

>>12218270
Only for a phobos based defense system to intercept t*rran craft

>>12218229
no, SLS and Jupiter are functionally identical
DIRECT and Jupiter would have been exactly the same as SLS

FUCK BOING
FUCK ULA
FUCK SHELBY
FUCK NASA

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY

FUCK URF

>>12218281
I like India. They're done quite a bit of good with mars orbiters and moon missions. Even working on sending up humans soon. Going to do an uncrewed launch of the Gaganyaan in December maybe, hope it works.

I just wanted to say that I really appreciate whoever made Big Jim's text Mt Dew yellow

>>12218300
Now that is a based image

>>12218105
These middling academic women are out of control. They need to get "colonized" or they need to be put in a 3 day psych hold and stabilized with some antipsychotics

>>12218300
thank u for posting, this is more real than you know

is this what working in boca chica feels like

>>12218313
Anon these """"people"""" are almost entirely stuffed to the gills with piles of psych meds, they needs a few weeks of boot camp and detox followed by a reintroduction to society with some productive hard labour labour for a few years.

>>12218319
Good luck Elon sama! Make sure to drop a fat rock on Tel Aviv once you assume your rightful position!

>>12218248
what do you mean she got a lot of shit? from Twitter or IRL? It seems like it's these people's goal to be twitter attention whores. They think the negative attention proves them right somehow

What the fuck are you-- no I'm not Italian

>>12218344
look at how hairy he is, he's got to be Italian

>>12218300
I'm glad people like it.

>>12218346
>His parents were descended from Russian Jewish immigrants
https://ricochet.com/342127/archives/charles-zubrin-american-life/

>>12218300
don't mind if I do

>>12218354
Oh well I guess this explains his junk tier politics

>bruh

>>12218368
Sounds like they had a few competent white guys run over the boing pajeet code and shit their pants over how bad it was

>>12218300
>Hi it's me,Tim Dodd the Everyday Estronaut-today I'll make a video where I do extensive "research" (aka having info spoonfed to me to my harem of autistic trannies on discord) into the wild word of SPACE FARTS! How do our noble astronauts harvest and store these precious fumes for Elon's later sniffing pleasure? What can we do as Space Fanarinos to help the braphogs in their important work? Find out today! And if you like the video and want to help me grow even bigger mantits please hit up my Patreon where,for only 5 bucks a month,you can watch private videos of me letting muscular dykes run a train on my ass with black horse dildos.

>>12218366
Zubrin is a mixed bag politically. He tends to trigger environmentalists and wokists alike, which is fun

>>12218373
Based

when

>>12218373
Sniff sniff haha, i dig it!

>>12218374
He's an old school moderate republican. He dislikes biden almost as much as trump.

>>12218378
>Bro let’s take a shuttle external tank and put F-1s on it.
>Also let’s give fit F1 boosters!!!!!
Comet was based. First Lunar Outpost was a neat concept

death to boing

>>12218392
Inshallah

>>12218218
EXODIA OBLITERATE

800t payload SSTO when?

>>12218292
based and doogpilled

>>12218405
>SSTO

dropped

Has anyone ever developed a solid rocket where the casing is consumed as fuel and it just eats itself on the way up? no staging!

>>12218405
When NASA stops being run by a bunch of eco-conscious Nancy boys and develops solid fuel fission rockets.

how much longer until we can stop trying to shave off every fucking gram and start slapping proper thick sloped armor on spaceships bros

>>12218420
I think that most proposals for Orion drive spacecraft included steel structure and furniture to reduce g-loading on the crew.

>>12218420
If you have the technology to have armour in such quantities on your spaceship with no penalties then you absolutely have the energy available to punch through that shit like paper. You are better off spending your extra mass on reducing your signature in all spectrums and long range attack systems, whoever sees the other first will win.

Pull my finger, /sfg/

>>12218431
>*braps*
>Methane fuel cycle confirmed

Based Jim utilising the best fuel.

>>12218426
>reducing your signature in all spectrums and long range attack systems, whoever sees the other first will win.
not really tb h, even with just current imaging hardware it would be piss easy to spot engine burns from across the solar system and work out trajectories, plus your radiators are always going to be glowing like a cianigger if you have a reactor or even just life support on the thing

>>12218453
I doubt that current IR hardware is that effective. You could probably spot a main fusion drive burning if you are pointing in the right location at the right time but I doubt you will be seeing regular life support radiators when they have reflective dishes pointing out system. There will certainly be a minimum detection distance and that will be the distance at which you engage and so the incentive to minimise your signature and maximise fast attack methods is vital. Regardless, armour will be useless. Nukes, rail guns and energy weapons don't care about armour unless it is absurdly thick (tens/hundreds of metres of lead or steel).

>>12218056
this dude is a big time cück, literal paypiggy and the embodiment of modern male pussification

I had a dream where the girl from vintage space let me motorboat her and left a lipstick kiss on my cheek. Suffice to say I was in good spirits

>>12218415
autophagic rockets, yeah

>>12218453
Just put a cold big ass occluding disk in the way so they can't see you.

>>12218528

hmmmmmmmmmmmm
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2020/moon-more-metallic-than-thought/

>>12218553
>moon is basically a giant chunk of molten earth
>wait wtf there is lots of metals and its not just a giant carbon and silicon ball?

Absolutely shocking surprise

>>12218553
>lunar shipyards supplied by a vast network of subsurface mines staffed by blue collar space truckers
The future sounds amazing.

okay bros finally going for first manned lunar orbit
I haven't actually simulated the mission ahead of time or really checked I have enough dv, but it looks about right and what could possibly go wrong?

best sci thread

>>12218602
Uhhh you choose the wrong image or post in the wrong place or something? What the fuck did I just read anon

>>12218607
it's tooker, show some respect to the man

Will diet Mr dew make me a better astronaut?

>>12218090
What people forget is that she's a rover person and she's out of a fucking job the instant manned programs kick off.

>>12218607
do not respond to the resident schizo

>>12218639
She is a nose and therefore guaranteed a nasa job in perpetuity.

>>12218152
>because they'll carry on like anyone disagrees with them wants to start a fish farm on Europa immediately.
Don't fucking tempt me.

>>12218646
Keep your nasty salmon nigger no thanks.

>>12218650
I don't eat it myself, doesn't mean I won't farm it.

How did I just learn they only want to launch SLS once a year. WTF

>>12218652
Cost per launch is close to 5b. 1/4th of nasa budget

>>12218652
>implying they could ever manage to build one even every five years

>>12218652
Uhhhh what

>>12218659
Oh oh it’s late as fuck and I read that as “launch to the ISS once a year” lmao. I was like um commercial crew is a failure. Yeah SLS that makes more sense; it launches once a year because it’s a piece of shit

>>12218661
Commercial Crew is only going to launch twice a year, anon

>>12218652
Implying it's going to fucking launch at all.

>>12218664
Every piece of space news i receive makes me mad

>>12218666
>>12218659
>>12218654
im so mad bros, I cant believe I ever was once optimistic about this program

>>12218678
>being optimistic about government pork distribution programs

Your own fault desu

When will Jonny Kim lead a raid on the Chinese space station?

>>12218705
When he gives his immortality serum to Elon.

>>12218090
The Moon doesn’t have an “environment”. It’s a fucking dead rock and we should stripmine it and turn it into O’Neill cylinders

Nuclear interplanetary warships when?

Do the European people lack IQ necessary to make reusable rocket?

>>12218853
They have high IQs but lack souls.

>>12218861
Seems like Europoids are a race of weak minded people.

>>12218865
The good genestock moved somewhere else or died in World War 2. Little of note is left.

>>12218477
>I doubt that current IR hardware is that effective.
Radiators and exhaust against the backing of 3.whatever kelvin background radiation don't care about your doubts.
>Nukes, rail guns and energy weapons don't care about armour unless it is absurdly thick (tens/hundreds of metres of lead or steel).
All completely different things with their own countermeasures. Armor specialized to dissipate heat absolutely fucks up energy weapons, giving the time to counterattack. A nuke needs something to deliver the payload, and thus can be shot down itself. To be honest the hardest to countermeasure is probably not even railguns but simple chemically based slug throwers, but you need to get into knife-fighting range compared to lasers or missiles.

>>12218666
Based Satan, checked.

tfw Musk is literally and unironically our only hope to accelerate the progress in space because even in this timeline where he exists and we supposedly have the beginnings of a space race, nations are still moving at a glacial pace and have no ambition or sense of urgency to do anything substantial until the end of the decade at best (and even those plans are likely to be scrapped/delayed)

>>12218901
Earth is stagnation and death. It’s full. There’s nothing left to explore.

>>12218938
>nooo what about vast stretches of benthic deadzone populated by microbes that consume 1(one) nutrient every 100 years between hibernation periods

>>12218075
>Telling a golf joke to high schoolers
Definitely not a great move. Most kids don't know shit about golf.
>>12218065
>>12218090
What kind of LARP faggotry is this "Lady of Baltis Vallis" bullshit?
>>12218120
Probably it's the basis of EVA training anyhow, you need to understand shit like gas mixes and pressures. Just because you might get a nitrogen-free mix in your suit is no reason to not want astronauts to know all the shit that gets taught in scuba training.
>>12218260
At this rate we might have had humans BLEO by 2050, oh no, wait, time for a new 20-year plan!

>>12218949
There’s a ton of environmental bullshit preventing seafloor mining and colonization, plus it’s not legally claimable

>>12218955
What kind of high schooler wouldn't be able to get that joke?

>>12218974
I'm just making fun of those people because it's fucking boring anyway. You still occasionally get the rejoinder "but the oceans are one gorillion percent unexplored" but the unexplored region simply isn't interesting or worthwhile.

>>12218152
>But that's window dressing. The particular tack her argument takes doesn't really matter, she's just choosing words that she thinks will get listened to.
This is the utter tragedy of the modern left and it's wrecking the UK as well. They have no intention whatsoever of honest argument or debate. The whole thing is a pure onslaught of rhetoric. You get the same problem from religious groups that proclaim their god as the only god etc. They are zealots.

>>12218998
I think it’s interesting for biological and geological reasons, but not as interesting as other celestial bodies, and besides, the seafloor is way too close to the rest of humanity for comfort.

>>12218974
I just want seafloor baked potatoes that knock my socks off. Is that too much to ask?

>>12219032
At least religion has a Darwinian benefit to its host population by increasing fertility and providing a potential source of unity across racial boundaries. Leftist atheism causes population decline.

>>12218193
>In a better world NASA decides to make Atlas V Heavy with a Dual Engine upper stage, while pursuing Ares V in 2006.
In an even better world NASA decides not to overdesign Orion in order to justify Ares 1 and we get its first manned flight to the ISS shortly after the Shuttles retirement

>>12218865
>>12218869
The problem is that the European ruling class are stuck in a zero sum mindset which helps keep them at the top of the tree in Europe, but also causes Europe to stagnate versus the rest of the world. The faster and more ruinous the decline of the EU the better, because that would increase the chances of removing these parasites.

>>12219042
>Leftist atheism causes population decline.
If we're lucky those genes only have a generation or two left

>>12218065
>>12218090
Who is this woman?

>>12218089
this is the shit that keeps foilheads reeing about HAARP and whatnot...

>>12218090
She's somewhat right.
But the future of space colonization will not be like earth colonization. It'll be more in line with how we treat Antarctica.

>>12218652
>>12218678
There's a hard limit on SLS production to two a year simply based on the manufacturing capability. Even if they become as efficient as a cost-plus program can't be, there is basically no way they can make more than two a year without building a factory.
>>12218938
>Earth is stagnation and death. It’s full.
Africa says "hold my beer".
>>12218998
And it's way hard to do anything down there with all that pressure. We can't even find a fucking plane down there. Meanwhile, space is a mere 1 atmosphere away.

>>12219084
>Africa says "hold my beer".

Africa is the exception. They’re still in ascendancy while the rest of the cultures have begun to reach and pass or near their peak. Unironically admire Africans more than Europeans because I perceive them as vitalistic and fertile

>>12219081
>She's somewhat right
How can someone concerntrolling about the feelings of rocks be 'somewhat right'
>like we treat Antarctica
>artificially depressed development because of a combination of frozen conflict and environmental conerns
I refuse to accept that we're going back to this kind of timeline.

>>12218650
>>12218651
Salmon filets will be the hard currency of Eurpoa

>>12219097
anon, if you look back, look how far we've come. We'd be at mars by next week at this rate, relax.

>>12219081
>She's somewhat right.

No she isn’t. Rocks don’t have feelings. The environment doesn’t matter, especially the environment of a lifeless rock.

>>12219097
>>12219109
Not him but she is somewhat right if you take it as "corporations shouldn't be allowed to claim everything they can touch in space" (even though it's likely just another "I need more reasons to hate white men" rant).
Even though many here likely believe SpaceX to be trustworthy enough with regards to space, there's absolutely no guarantee anyone else will, or even that SpaceX will after Elon eventually dies. Do you really want Blue Origin, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, the ESA, or God forbid the CNSA to effectively give themselves full control over the future of all mankind just because no one was able to stop them?

>>12219124
>Not him but she is somewhat right if you take it as "corporations shouldn't be allowed to claim everything they can touch in space"

Why not? It’s unowned, so whoever gets there first can have it.

>Do you really want Blue Origin, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, the ESA, or God forbid the CNSA to effectively give themselves full control over the future of all mankind just because no one was able to stop them?

I’m fully onboard with a Weyland-Yutani world.

>>12219097
>>12219109
I meant she is right in that we need uniform rules for how we are going to treat settlement.
The Outer Space Treaty is outdated, doesn't cover all contingencies, and trash.

I did not mean the political bullshit is right in any way. We're going forward with colonization.

>>12219139
>I meant she is right in that we need uniform rules for how we are going to treat settlement.

Might makes right.

>>12219124
>Do you really want Blue Origin, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, the ESA, the CNSA to control the future of mankind
If the only other option is ineffective bureaucratic governments like the ones we have now, I'd rather have an anarcho-capitalist mars.

>>12219131
>Why not? It’s unowned, so whoever gets there first can have it.
This works for some things, but extending it to entire planets is absurd given current circumstances. If we get warp drives so that we can put flags and footprints on new planets faster than people used to discover random islands then maybe, but putting so much power in the hands of such complacent yet stubborn leeches is untenable.
>I’m fully onboard with a Weyland-Yutani world.
Then I expect you to never shit on Boing, SLS, or any oldspace ever again- because eternal, unending, universal oldspace is what you'd get without SpaceX in a world like that.

>>12219140
based

>>12219140
Okay, but what are the clean room standards? Do we require all companies and countries to have a way to plummet satellites into the bodies they orbit once they reach their lifespan? Surely, weapon testing is not allowed.

>>12219143
I hope you don't think any of those giant corporations/organizations would ever allow anarchocapitalism within their big and expensive investments, let alone an entire colony of people from them.

>>12219124
I don't see any reason to try desperately to disrupt the natural course of humanity where territory is held by those with the capacity and intent to hold it. (((Who))) benefits from this?
And I definitely do not see a future crawling with oldspace. They might survive on life support, launching sats or hitching SS rides, but any kind of off-world hegemony is well outside of their purview. Most of the competitors of that world will be names we've either never heard or think nothing of today.

>>12218839
How does a pulse propelled spaceship launch the first bomb without destroying the entire thing? I have a hard time believing that the nuke will push it out of the way faster than the fireball can envelop it.

>>12219153
I don't either, I'm just saying we shouldn't allow corporations to run riot when they get off of Earth just because the one we like is in the lead right now. I'm not saying we need to pass any laws or regulations or anything like that, the people currently in power would only make the situation worse trying to find ways to secure their power, as you clearly know, but we should still be cautious even while optimistic.

>>12219150
>Okay, but what are the clean room standards?
Infect the solar system.
>Do we require all companies and countries to have a way to plummet satellites into the bodies they orbit once they reach their lifespan?
Does this even need special consideration? If you're running into kessler concerns that means you have launched a shitton from that place, which means you have your own incentive to maintain it and provide countermeasures. Colonies and city-states are perfectly capable of making their own accords without attempting universal legislation that will inevitably date itself fairly quickly.
>Surely, weapon testing is not allowed.
>ey boss they say we can't test weapons here lol
>well they ain't said anything about testing my mining nukes

>>12219150
>Okay, but what are the clean room standards?

Spread life literally everywhere for fun.

> Do we require all companies and countries to have a way to plummet satellites into the bodies they orbit once they reach their lifespan?

Don’t know why you would. If they think the clutter is annoying, they’ll bring them down themselves. It’s called self-interest.

> Surely, weapon testing is not allowed.

Why not? Detonate antimatter nukes on the plains of Sedna for entertainment

>>12219178
Let EVERYONE run riot, not just the corporations. Have brutal wars on Mars between Mormons and Chinese communists. Form defensive pacts between asteroid colonies of transhumanists. Wage wars of conquest upon the stony soil of Ganymede and build mighty empires. Unleash man.

>>12218099
Kek

>>12219150
hippity hoppity phobos is my property

>>12219178
Corporate (with state backing) interest rules the world, that's just our current phase of development. The attempt to suppress development over these concerns comes directly from those interests, just the ones that realize their time is up and are fighting to extend the deadline.

>>12218666
Don't they already got the rocket made already?
They have to launch it now.

>>12219225
Well they have some parts made. They haven't tested the parts together.
That testing is years delayed.

>>12219172
In real life the concept is to use a conventional chemical rocket to get it up to speed before staging and doing the pulses.

nuclear potato cannon

>>12218396
This guy get's it

When does SN8 hop?

>>12219273
never. spacex is finished

>>12219273
within the next 2 weeks assuming no problems on the static fire

>>12219282
This

>>12219273
Are there even any road closures set right now? They'll probably be ready for a static fire within the next week, so maybe a week or two after that happens.

Revised Outer Space Treaty when?

>>12219414
It's called Artemis Accords

>>12219423
what do they even say?

>>12219414
Revised Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty that legalizes Orion drives when?

>>12219429

>>12218095
It's very much inappropriate for children but nonetheless an awesome book. He's /ourguy/ all the way.

>>12219206
highly based

>>12219414
Why bother? Nobody else can into space to stop us.

Dunno if anyone attention to this.

>>12219458
But that was just under 3 hours ago. 2x Raptors made it to the site. Serial numbers 39 and 30 something, possibly 38.

>>12219458
Do they already have a third one over there?

>>12219472
I think it's hopping on two.

>tfw sn8 is the 2020 equivalent to the x-33

>>12219458
Yep it was being installed @ ~ 10:39 cst

>>12219458
>>12219477
And still being installed

>>12219474
it's hopping on 3 lmao

>>12219483
It's a good thing I stocked up on both whisky and gin yesterday.

>>12219486
2 or 3, I don't care. Either way it's going to be fucking glorious to see it go off.
I have only seen shitty 3rd party animations of the flopping maneuver and have no idea how many engines it needs to hit 20km. That animation used 2 engines.

>>12219458
>future of spaceflight that will revolutionize space travel, with cutting edge engineering and technology
>the engines are carried out on a f-250 like scrap mental
based, fuck oldspace

>>12219494
What signal would it send if your engines that are supposed to withstand hundreds of flights have to be bubble wrapped and sent in clean containers with people in fucking ebola suits handling them?

Long March launch in 10 min
https://youtu.be/yMODd9dRsDY

>>12219458
>>12219494
This fucking hurt to do because my arthritis is fucking with me.

>>12219510
How many villagers will die?

>>12219510
Looks like it got delayed or you misread the time

>>12219539
It launched and the stream ended

>>12219539
Nah, it launched and that was all the coverage we got.

God bless china for that asteroid mining announcement. That will shut up these insufferable "muh purity of space" fags

>>12219540
>>12219543
Sorry im retarded

>>12219556
This is why Chinese launches are completely uninteresting. They never show anything at all. If we're really lucky, we might see some tweets soon of stages landing on villages, but their program itself? They keep just about everything under wraps.

Anyone got the space flight political squares?

>>12219560
gwailou scum launch 30 rocket and order with big video all day for noaunch of shit, China launch 50 rocket with no video,but get job done and prosper with satellites for strength LMAO

>>12219580

>>12219560
No need for a government program to worry about PR when their government doesn't need to worry about elections

>>12219453
You establish the rules and then only break them when you are in a position to.
Think Hitler and Stalin. To reduce conflict today they say they're neutral with each other... until one gets the upper hand.
You pass the Artemis Accords. You basically say that you will treat outerspace like Antarctica. No one owns it, no one can own. But then bit by bit you set up an outpost. The outpost grows to a city. And then... the locals vote to have you annex it.

Of course, none of this matters. The chinks will fail. America will be forced to back away due to mismanagement and liberal complaining. And we will enter the next dark age of humanity.

>>12219611
Hitler and Stalin should have formed a formal alliance and curbstomped democracy.

>>12218064
Based

Nork astronauts when?

>>12219638
I hope norks and sorks get into a space race. It'd be like a repeat of the cold war.

>>12219643
South Koreans don’t have souls. Basically a dead culture

>>12219644
Okay kimmy

>>12219647
The South Korean birthrate is almost 1. They’re even more dead than European nations

>>12219652
okay kimmy

Today in history:
>1958 – NASA launches Pioneer 1, its first space probe, although it fails to achieve a stable orbit.
>1968 – NASA launches Apollo 7, the first successful manned Apollo mission.
>2000 – NASA launches STS-92, the 100th Space Shuttle mission.
>2018 – Soyuz MS-10, launching an intended crew for the ISS, suffers an in-flight abort. The crew lands safely.

>>12219647
North Korea is best Korea, and you know it.

>>12219644
>>12219652
>DUDE HOLY SHIT NORTH KOREA AND CHINA ARE BASED!!!!!!

>>12219672
If you love it so much then you should just live there lmao

>>12219668
>2000 – NASA launches STS-92,
>the 100th Space Shuttle mission.
The Space Shuttles naming system will never not trigger my autism

>>12219638
Our media made a big deal out of it being "liquid propellant" as if hypergolic fuels aren't liquid.
It's the same old shit as before.

>>12219681
>STS-1
>STS-2
>STS-3
>STS-51-F

>>12219676
who is it in that meme?

What is the best kind of rocket fuel?

>>12219688
My ex

>>12219476
Congress cant cockblock starship like they did the X-33.

>>12219706
Apparently the crew is racist to him

One thing that always irritates me is when movies or TV have astronaut crews fighting each other/being assholes to one another. Unless I’m retarded, this like never happens IRL

>>12219715
It reminds me about this:
https://9gag.com/gag/ap5yPr5
It's mindboogling that they always try to make everything about race, kind of like if they didn't have that card to pull they would actually have to pull their own weight...

>>12219706
>Fred Haise has lived long enough to see his role in history exploited by those with a racial agenda
If they're gonna do this shit you'd hope they'd at least have the decency to wait until the person was dead

>>12219722
Yeah. With the movie though they could’ve just said “Ah it’s alternate history and on Apollo 19 a black crew member was added...”

>>12219706
Cringe. Fred Haise is a real person, unlike Nick Fury or whatever, and he’s white, not black.

>>12219733
>>12219728
They should’ve done a Robert Lawrence Jr movie, but set in an alternate timeline where he lived and got to fly in MOL against ruskies in orbit

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Henry_Lawrence_Jr..

>>12218162
Seascrapers?

>>12219738
>Lawrence and other MOL astronauts laughed when asked at the announcement "Will you have to sit in the back seat of the capsule?"
>When asked if his selection was historic for race relations in the United States, Lawrence answered "No, I don't think so. It's another one of those things that we look forward to in civil rights — normal progression." He said that he had faced problems like other blacks, but "Perhaps I have been more fortuate than the others in the opportunities."

>>12219744
Why's there a guy vibin in the back during launch

>>12219767
He's steering the ship.

>>12218766
nope we should de-orbit it into earth

>>12219706
>Haise is picked to be the outcast that the crew didn’t want on board
>not Swigert
The fuck is wrong with these people?

>>12218081
>>12218127
Go and try to survive outside of Earth without scientists and science. Come back and tell us your experience.
>protip: you can't.
Keep expecting good outcomes from politicians and the military.

>>12219800
Dude no one is saying that we won’t need scientists. It’s just that a lot of scientists are hippie retards.

>>12219767
Taking a piss

>>12219800
>go and try to survive outside of Earth without scientists
that's a retarded way to spell engineers

>>12219800
>Go and try to survive outside of Earth without scientists

Only need engineers and geologists who do surveying for mining companies lol

>>12219738
It'd be pretty easy to adapt the Mike Jenner Blue Gemini books into a tv show or movie

>>12219701
liquid

>>12219701
solid nuclear propellant

>>12219206
We might be badass but we're not anarchists

>>12219638
Using the Hwasong-16 as a first stage on the Uhna-X so hopefully soon ish.
http://www.b14643.de/Spacerockets/Specials/Hwasong-16/index.htm

>>12219827
There was no anarchism in medieval Europe, just kingdoms beating the shit out of eachother and forming alliances to facilitate greater shit beating

>>12219706
>Rewriting history to fit narrative
Fuck

>>12219836
Also, all of royality in those times were fucking each other beyond borders.

>>12219841
won't be long now until Apollo becomes the story of how a bunch of scrappy african astronauts and engineers came together to overcome racism and walk on the moon

>>12219833
oh lord what is this site

>>12219845
As far as I know, the primary way alliances were formed was through marriages.

>>12219706
link or its b8

>>12219849
Didn't they already make a movie like that? Hidden figures?

do you have any favourite human spaceflight book? I’m thinking about ordering “wings in orbit” for christmas

>>12219908
Gonna sound weird but I like movies where white people and black people work together and shit. Hidden figures wasn’t really “WHITEY BAD!!!” Like a lot of other movies were. Actually they even showed that the Germans were the nicest to the black women at first, which I thought was based.

>t. My fiancé is black

>>12219706
bruh

>>12219916
Based. Make hybrid coffee colored babies

>>12218705
I bet he runs with those scissors.

>>12219911
nah soyuz is still cool for now

>>12219924
He was a medic I think they might be cutting you open

>>12218705
what was his motive for becoming an astronaut?

humanity should own this entire solar system, we should militirize and sell of private ownership of every spec of dust in the universe. Fuck ethics and fuck peace. Conflict is the only means of maintaining a balance of power.

>>12218705
China will try and claim Kim as one of their own before long

So how realistic is “Eyes Turned Skyward?” I’m not technically, I mean politically. NASA decides to not do the Shuttle because they realize that they don’t have enough money to make it fully reusable, and thus it’ll be more expensive than intended. So instead they choose to refit Saturn IB and Apollo CSM for LEO operations.

Could this really have happened? I know the Air Force really wanted the shuttle. Would it also have been likely for NASA to build a 1970s-era dreamchaser and launch it on Saturn IB?

>>12219944
Probably the fact that his résumé is stacked as fuck, and every badass has wanted to become an astronaut since the 1950's/60's. Also I think his astronaut class is one of the first going back to the Moon

>>12219911
No

>>12219911

Not cool bro.

>>12219948
Ironically, if Nixon had more severely cut NASA's funding after Apollo, they might have gone that route.

>>12219911
Takbir!

It's hard to admit this but I want to be an astronaut so fucking bad. The chances are so god damn slim though, I feel like you need to be a supersoldier or a child savant just to have a chance. I never really admit it to myself because I feel like it is futile- but I really cannot deny it. I want to be an astronaut and I don't know how I can better my chances

>>12219668

>2018 – Soyuz MS-10, launching an intended crew for the ISS, suffers an in-flight abort. The crew lands safely.

I cant believe that is allready 2 years ago. On wednesday, MS-17 is going to the ISS with one of the last, if not the last American astronaut going with the Soyuz capsule instead of Dragon.

Decided to give myself a birthday present in the form of fixing the surface clipping on 3.5x rescale.

Also managed the first manned lunar landing!

>>12219987
I really hope the russians to go full bonehead in the future. Do they not see the writing on the wall? They have a chance to form a strong partnership and travel with us to the Moon and Mars but instead they want to leave Gateway and partner with chang. Ivan should be our ally but his pride is too big

>>12219929
>>12219960
>>12219965
>shilling for a haram spacecraft like soyuz
Where is your shame in the face of allah, brozzers? I shall go on as usual.

>>12219948
The basic concept of using expendable rockets and capsules to run a space station program is realistic. Marshall Spaceflight Center came up with a plan to end moon missions after Apollo 15 and use the remaining Saturn Vs to launch interim space stations serviced by either 3- or 4-man Apollo capsules (a fourth seat could be added with almost no modifications). The launch vehicle they wanted was a cluster of three UA1207 solids + s-ivb, which would have been able to send up a larger payload than a Saturn IB at a lower cost. George Low seemed to favor this approach at one point before they worked out a shuttle design that could fit NASA's budget.

Big Gemini on Titan IIIM with a more long-term space station also a serious possibility and was preferred by the number-crunchers at the Office of Management and Budget. The station would have either been launched by a Saturn V or 2 Titan IIILs.

6-man refurbishable Apollo capsules were also studied but they were never seriously considered.

Where is ETS *not* realistic then? The Saturn IC was never studied or even brought up as a possibility that I can tell. The Saturn IB was much more expensive than a Titan IIIM and they weren't about to add an even more expensive F1 engine onto it. There were some low-cost IB replacements given serious study such as replacing the first stage with solids or a pressure-fed booster.

ETS is also not realistic in thinking that NASA would give up on the Shuttle just because they couldn't get it approved in 1972. Any ETS-style station program they had would be treated as an interim to give them something to do while they waited to finally develop the shuttle. If Nixon had said no, they would have tried under Reagan, who almost certainly would have said yes.

>>12219992
>Ivan should be our ally but his pride is too big
The US have been trying to screw Ivan since the end of the Cold War. Chang might be an ass too, but they are upfront about it rather than sniffing their own farts, and there is economical interest between the 2.

>>12219989
I like that kerbal LK lander

Prometheus wet workshop?

>>12220027
You want to live and work inside an engine?

>>12219992
>They have a chance to form a strong partnership and travel with us to the Moon and Mars but instead they want to leave Gateway and partner with chang.
The only thing NASA wanted them to do was build a little airlock module. They were never going to be a major partner for Gateway

>>12220005
Makes sense. It would’ve been neat if ETS had Apollo flying on a Titan IIM, then phased it out in the 80s for a Dreamchaser-like vehicle. I have no idea how the whole “return to the moon” section would play out though seeing as America would lose its HLV capability completely.

>>12219979
Same bro, but the good news is that it’s not impossible. If you can save up $250,000, you can go to space on New Shepard/ SpaceShipTwo. It’s not much, but it’s worth it to me. Also if you stay alive longer you can probably go into LEO for that much with Starship. But seriously bro save money. I’ll have 250K saved in 40 years... when I’m 58 haha

>>12220007
You can thank Hillary's contingency plan for saving face for that shitshow.

>>12220073
>You can thank Hillary's contingency plan for saving face for that shitshow.
That have been running since 1991?
The US back then promised to the russians that they wouldn't expand NATO eastwards only to do so immediately go back on their word, and even if Trump says nice words to Putin there is little reason for him to actually trust him, nor any practical benefit to go along.

>>12220055
Yeah contractors were looking at dreamchaser-style spacecraft in the late 60s that could have been easily flying by 1975 but NASA was totally uninterested. They wanted shuttle or nothing.

One possibility could be that they go with Shuttle-style 156-inch solids as a first stage for the s-ivb a la the int-27
http://www.astronautix.com/s/saturnint-27.html

Then when some president wanted to do moon/mars the best option would be just bringing back the Saturn V but with SRBs to double its payload Stephen Baxter Voyage-style

>>12220091
forgot pic

another possibility is that if you don't have any HLVs then there aren't any senators who try to protect them by forbidding research on depots...

>>12220089
Oh please. It was pretty chill and Russia was on board Gateway and everything until the 2016 narratives struck and that shit just gradually dialed up until it was 24/7/365.
Now, they're fucking off and all old agreements are null and void.

>>12220097
Relations were pretty good 1991-1996. Tensions ratcheted up from 1997-1999 when we first expanded NATO and bombed Kosovo. They ratcheted up again after the South Ossetia war in 2008 (this is when Republicans started hating Putin) and they really ratcheted up after Maidan in 2014 (this is when Democrats started hating Putin).

>>12220097
>It was pretty chill and Russia was on board Gateway and everything until the 2016 narratives struck and that shit just gradually dialed up until it was 24/7/365.
Did you forgot the Syrian Civil War and the War on the Donbass? The NATO expansions in 1999 and 2004?

>>12220104
Why would we expand NATO after the Warsaw Pact no longer exists? Lol
Should have disbanded it

>>12220104
And it was still chill. They weren't blamed for every ill under the sun, were they?

>>12219706
>online dramatisation
What the fuck is tha-
Oh so this is some obscure project that is trying to exploit /pol/ for a signal boost.

>>12220118
In NATSEC circles they were. The Russia hysteria after 2016 really didn't surprise me because they'd been pulling the same tricks for years leading up to it.

>>12219911
>POCKOCMOC
Kyrillic is adorable.

>>12220112
>Why would we expand NATO after the Warsaw Pact no longer exists?
To increase american force projection in eastern yurop. Also american foreign police haven't been very smart since the 80s.
>>12220118
>And it was still chill.
It wasn't, at all. There was no media hysteria, sure, but neither side hided that their contempt for each other.

>>12220128
I share a fucking border with them. They weren't doing mock bombing runs back then. That was pretty chill.

>>12220112
Because Russia has a desire to invade its neighbors and the countries formerly under communist dictatorships will do anything possible to avoid falling under their grip again.

>>12220135
>Because Russia has a desire to invade its neighbors
And as we all know this is a trait unique to Russia

>>12220141
America doesn't invade it's neighbors, only countries far away.

>>12220135
I don't understand this... what's in it for them? Does the average russian citizen give a fuck to be reunited with the soviet states? It's all so confusing. Russia operates on a completely different philosophy than the west and it just confuses me. In many ways we are similar, but in many ways we are so different

>>12220132
>I share a fucking border with them
Tensions were already high before 2016, spurdo. You either weren't paying attention or just failed to notice until they become boling high.

>>12220144
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Grenada

>>12219706
>it's real

>>12220158
>neighbors

>>12220145
>Does the average russian citizen give a fuck to be reunited with the soviet states
A feeling of national accomplishment. Ukraine and Belarus were part of Russia before the soviets came along, and today Russia still sees them as part of the Greater Russia project more broadly, they also see eastern Europe as part of russian sphere of influence.

>>12220158
>Thou shalt coup whomever thine pleases

>>12220135
>Because Russia has a desire to invade its neighbors

Who fucking cares? They’re not communist so they’re not a threat to us ideologically. Russia can conquer whatever shithole it wants

>>12220145
>duuur what benefit is there to taking over territory

>>12220132
Nigger we've had news about russian spooks buying up property near areas vital to national security for a decade now.

>There are people who actively defend China/North Korea/Russia
Why?

>>12220181
Why do you give a shit what happens in some distant part of earth with no real effect on yourself?

>>12220181
because people being duped into thinking putin is a threat is the reason we waste $40b a year occupying afghanistan instead of exploring the solar system

>>12220181
Anyone living in America or a country under its influence is going to hold a lot more resentment towards her over some far off shithole and so have a natural inclination to defend said shithole at America's expense

>>12220181
There's a LOT of actual Chicom propagandists online. They usually pretend not to be but admit it as soon as you push a little.

>>12220184
What is world war 1, what is world war 2, what is the invasion of afghanistan, what is every fucking modern conflict since April 2, 1917. Every fucking outbreak involves the highest powers these days. Tbh I'm baffled the US didn't do shit about the Armenian skirmishes that have broken out recently and I'm fairly certain we would have sent in a UN peacekeeping envoy or US soldiers costing us millions of dollars had hillary been president right now

>>12220202
>What is bullshit that happens far away and doesn’t really effect you

I don’t give a single fuck what nonsense happens in some foreign country unless it has some effect on the prices of shit I buy. I don’t even care what happens in distant parts of the US. People who obsess over distant events with little to no effect on them personally are demented.

> Tbh I'm baffled the US didn't do shit about the Armenian skirmishes that have broken out recently and I'm fairly certain we would have sent in a UN peacekeeping envoy or US soldiers costing us millions of dollars had hillary been president right now

A fight over a small amount of land over a thousand miles away between two small countries has NOTHING to do with us and should be ignored unless you just think the conflict is interesting to follow.

>>12219993
Even on 4chan some people have an idealized view of russia or its space program because they don't live there and think it's some alt-right heaven of basedness and redpillness.

>>12220221
Oh I'm not saying I disagree. Fucking annoying how we have to keep our defense budget up the wazoo because shitholes like to stir the pot and we cannot afford to trust China and Russia. I know this is about to be a bullshit remark from my end but part of me wishes we could just ignore chicom and russia and just throw all of our budget into space travel. I mean I don't really think anything bad would come of that no? It's not like mexico or canada is going to invade our border. And what the fuck is anyone else gonna do? We can't really be invaded. I just want a space economy, not an $800 billion defense budget going to boeing

>>12220235
>I mean I don't really think anything bad would come of that no
Anon

>>12220199
I think it’s just a modern reincarnation of people who were “communists” in the US in the 50s/60s. It’s people who want to be edgy and shit but eventually start believing it.

At my Uni there are assemblies about communism and shit. Thank Christ college kids are retarded.

Armed conflict against Communist China is both inevitable and desirable. The only solution to the CCP campaign of global aggression is regime change.

>>12220135
You mean to prevent its friendly neighbors from falling to US-staged coups to install anti-Russian governments

>>12220235
That was the dream of SDI. If you can stop a nuclear attack then you don't have to worry about keeping forces all over the globe just to keep other nuclear powers in check.

>>12220259
CCP is a hegemony that wants world domination. It’s stupid how Europe is bending over for them. Look at how the ESA is working with China on a bunch of missions.

How would a war play out though? I mean with nukes it’s simple enough but would it be possible for them to not glass us/us glass them?

>>12220235
Maintaining military supremacy has benefits to our economy and allows us to engage in space exploration with the freedom we can. Might makes right, and as long as we have enough might to overpower anyone else, we can keep doing what we like.

>>12220257
No, I mean straight up living-in-Shanghai-and-paid-to-post shills. They're very active on Reddit, Twitter, etc. They tend to claim to live in the US, but it's very easy to get them to break down into "WHITTU PIGGU GO HOME CHINA NUMBER ONE" if you know what insecurities to push.

Ironically, they think American leftists are beneath contempt.

>>12220145
Russia has always been paranoid about an invasion from the indefensible plains to their west, meaning that any buffer territory than can obtain is incredibly useful.

Ironically, they're worried about the anemic EU invading from the west when China is actively taking economic control of their eastern territory.

>>12220271
>CCP is a hegemony that wants world domination

Nothing wrong with that.

Awful thread

>>12220166
>Who fucking cares
It means that Russia's neighbors welcome American presence in their countries. You'd have to be retarded to not take advantage of this situation.

>>12220286
t. Winnie the Pooh

>>12220286
then either fix it by posting memes, rockets, or meme rockets

>>12220283
Lol so go move to China then I’m sure you’d love it

>>12220286
Ehh I usually hate it when we derail but I think it has been interesting. I'll ask a question to get us back on track I guess:
What the fuck was there before the big bang? Hard mode... no theoretical physics "time was space and space was time answers". Like I want to know what was happening before the fucking big bang. Everything was just in a condensed state knocking about? How long was it like this? What caused everything to decide to shoot out

>>12220325
No idea bro. I’m religious but from a scientific standpoint...nothing? It’s crazy. Also the end of the universe is incredibly sobering too

>>12220319
Buran is better!

>>12220324
Why would you hold it against another nation for wanting to take over Earth? Dominating earth would be badass. I don’t hold it against a mountain lion for wanting to eat me, but I’ll definitely try to kill and eat it first

>>12220339
>Ivan, let’s throw away our expensive Hydrolox engines on every flight!!!!
Not a bad design though and I wish the Shuttle was like this except 1 or 2 SSMEs on the external tank and a pair of F-1 boosters

>haha so funny ISIS reference haha am I edgy enough mom?

>>12220319
The amount of batshit shuttle variants that were studied never ceases to amaze me

>>12220344
Weren't russian hydrolox engine designs way cheaper than their american counterparts?

>>12220325
>What the fuck was there before the big bang?

Your question is incoherent. There was no “before time” for the same reason there’s no “south of the South Pole”.

>>12220352
Cheaper unit cost because they weren't designed for reuse. SSMEs got an average of 10 reuses so I'm sure they had a cheaper per-launch cost than the RD-0120 did.

>>12220325
>before the big bang?

Another universe that for some reason condensed into small ball that then exploded

>>12220348
>Air Force takes one look at the concept art and immediately denies funding due to its phallic shape
>Navy offers to fund the program instead

>>12220319
>>12220348
Do you really want to see how deep this rabbithole goes?

>>12220347
Go back to twatter

>>12220383
manned Navajo missiles when

>>12220406
Manned V2's first my freind.

>>12220406
That rocket-assisted F-104 is probably the closest we'll ever get.

>>12220406
There will never be peace between the tribes again, earth has seen the last of the navajo space empire

>>12220415
>VERY angy lawndart intercepting soviets at incredigle hihg speeds

>>12220413
You can do the first suborbital flight contract in KSP RO using the upgraded Bell X1 cockpit (rated for 75km) and a V2 rocket, as long as you don't mind your pilot passing out for most of the flight.

>>12220166
Poland is America's greatest ally in Europe.
We have a duty to protect them as we are rapidly losing our friends there.

>>12220406
manned pyramids when

>>12220438
>space F-117
explain

>>12220440
>A proposal put forward in 1959 by Armstrong Whitworth, a British aircraft manufacturer, to build a pyramidal spaceplane to put on top of a two-stage rocket composed of a Black Knight rocket poised on a Blue Streak missile
https://falsesteps.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/the-armstrong-whitworth-pyramid-for-an-empire-on-the-up/

>>12220450
Those angles would heat up A LOT

>>12220450
hahaha curse of Warspite goes brrrr

So where do all these exterior cables and pipes go on the finished starship?

>>12220490
kino AF, just add a nosecone and a little condensation

>>12220490
Just slap a cable run over them if they're on the leeward side, and don't put cables on the windward side.

>kinda want to switch from soviet staged combustion to US kerolox engines in RP1 for more options in sizing and thrust levels and better looking plume effects
>even with 2004 tech and upgrading tank materials at the same time I take a 30% payload reduction if I try to do it
fucking christ what was nasa thinking

I don't know why, but it looks so charming to me.

>>12220490

What do the cables do?

>there are 9 missions planned to the moon next year
who here ready for #YearOfTheMoon

>>12220527
It's about
God
Dammed
Time

>>12220516
>fucking christ what was nasa thinking
>"oh fuck the shuttle is so shitty but we can't get rid of it because we don't have enough money left over to develop something better"

>>12220527
I'm ready for
#ColonizeTheMoon

>>12220548
YOU CANT USE THAT WORD

>>12220525
bring power from the model S battery bolted to the top

>>12220548
>all that perfectly untouched terrain around enormous manmade structures that clearly took years to build with materials brought from elsewhere
Every time

>>12220565
maybe those domes extend several hundred feet down into the regolith and are made of lunar concrete

>>12220516
6x RD-270 first stage + 4x NK-43 second stage is da best