/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12211721
Biologists who consider viruses non-life are smoothlets.

>>12211738
So is fire alive to you?

>>12211738
What if there was a planet where macroscopic rna packets floated in the oceans and injected their jizz into any unwary sea critter, causing them to explode into more rna packets. Like, a handful of them would look like a spiky bowl of grapes.

>>12211742
That's a pretty solid argument, I can't see a way around it. I'm not>>12211738
Btw. But I do consider viruses a form a of exotic life, since they can mutate and make more fit versions of themselves, even though they don't have the equipment to reproduce on their own, they're like exotic parasites. But again, I can't argue against your fire analogy so I won't try to convince you. It's just what I believe.

>>12211742
Really now? Fire can't evolve (pass traits to offspring). This is one of the most important characteristics of life. You clearly need to learn more biology if this meme rebuttal puzzles you.

>>12211742
Retarded post. Please RAPE YOURSELF with your SHIT.

>>12211738
Do antibiotics work against viruses?

>>12211846
Do antibiotics work against fungi?

>>12211754
>It's just what I believe.
That's not how it work anon, science is a matter of facts, not beliefs.

>>12211742
Fuck off Data

A literal bateriofaggot

>>12211888
They ARE fungi. In a way, a part of them. Not a good comeback.

>>12211742
Is fire composed of replicating RNA and DNA strands, faggot? The idea that viruses aren't life is a faulty concept stemming from a belief that life started with the cell structure, which is bullshit. The cell structure is just a mechanism for creating the necessary environment for replication; pre-cellulat lifr wouldn't have needed a cell structure at all in the primordial environment, and cell structure developed as said life started to move outward into the rest of the planet. Parasitic life cannot reproduce without a host, whether it's an intestinal worm or toxoplasmosis or a virus. Eukaryotes aren't even individual lifeforms; photosynthetic eukaryotes like plants consist of 3 different lifeforms (nucleus, mitochondria, chloroplast) within the cell, non-plant eukaryotes consist of 2 different lifeforms.

>>12211742
>So is fire alive to you?
>>12211754
>That's a pretty solid argument

>>12211784
>evolve (pass traits to offspring).
Thats not evolution you mouthbretaher, thats genetic inheritance and natural selection at best

>>12211942
>science is a matter of facts, not beliefs
Are you sure?

>>12212080
The original antibiotics were derived from fungi disrupting the bacterium's peptidoglycan wall. Now there's plenty of artificial antibiotics that are made in labs which utilise the same methods (alongside other antibiotics that target other aspects of the bacterium).

>>12211846
Is a non-statement.

>>12211738
A biological cell is alive and constitutes the fundamental unit of life. A virus is neither a cell nor composed of cells.

>>12212156
therefore abortions are destroying human life (unless its nigs of course, then no biggie)

>>12211738
they're right though.

>>12212141
Yes

>>12212156
Which is a wrong fucking definition. The fact that virus exist, as non-cellular reproductive things, proves the definition is wrong. That biologists want to cling to their shitty definition is their problem. Viral life evolved into a minimalist method, cellular life evolved into a maximalist method, that's it.

>>12212156
The fundamental unit of life is nucleic acid structures capable of autonomous reproduction

>>12211721
Why do they look like tiny robots /sci/?

>>12212440
Because viruses are very similar to tiny robots. Or a program. They're just pieces of information who endlessly build copies of themselves.

>>12212456
Cells are way more like robots than viruses are. Viruses are wholly static dna within a protective shell, that only becomes active when it attaches to a host cell.

>>12212387
>The fundamental unit of life is nucleic acid structures capable of autonomous reproduction
Biology-let

>>12211721
Bacteriophages look like a contraption plankton would build to steal the krabby patty formula.

>>12212578
saying the cell is the fundamental unit of life is saying that the fundamental unit of life is planck length + 5.

>>12212615
Just imagine being the first researcher to see this shit. Honestly fucking crazy.

>>12212578
>>12212578
saying the cell is the fundamental unit of life is like saying that the fundamental unit of measurement is planck length+5. the living cell is life with added bells and whistles; in the perfect environment, the cellular structure would have no reason to develop, it'd just be various organelle-like creatures interacting in a medium. cell structure only evolved because life needed a means to exist beyond the perfect environment, and the solution was to just bring the perfect environment with them in a bubble. the other answer was to just go into stasis until the perfect environment showed up again, and then multiply like crazy, which is what viruses did, and when the perfect environment for replication is all around you in bubbles, and said bubbles contain all the machinery to replicate yourself, you develop a way to crack into them and become a parasitic life form. viruses don't have the massive DNA strands and organelles to reproduce on their own for the same reason you and I don't have gills, they're just extra weight for something you don't need, and it's entirelyp lausible that early virus life forms had more complex DNA/RNA and the ability to self-replicate, and simply lost it when evolving for maximally efficient parasitism.

>>12212149
>Is a non-statement.
So is yours.

>>12212156
how can the cell be the fundamental unit of life when animal cells contain two distinct and separate organisms with their own DNA, and plant cells contain THREE distinct organisms with their own DNA. aka, the nucleus, the mitochondria, and chloroplast.

cells are just a physical structure for environmental regulation, the cell itself is not life and should not be the definition of life. eukaryotic cells are a mutualistic relationship between the nucleus and mitochondria, and in plants, between the nucleus, mitochondria, and chloroplast.

>>12212132
Hey that's the best iceberg-style chart I've ever seen
must've taken the creator hours
I really appreciate high-effort memes even though I've never made one after 13 years on 4chan

>>12212640
>Honestly fucking crazy.
Welcome in biology, the most interesting science

>>12212674
Yeah, a non-statement in response to a non-statement. Step it up fampai.

>>12212615
to a fool, the people arguing about the definition of 'life' ITT are doing something productive and this poster is acting like a fool
to a bigbrain, this poster is pointing out something interesting and definition arguments are founded on a philosophy of language which is inflexible and nasty

~ on another note ~

I was in the library recently looking for something Lovecraftian and finally decided that the darkest and most terrible entity I could encounter on that trip was the bacteriophage

>>12212729
>most terrible entity is a parasite

>>12212747
The Demiurge is far worse

>>12212771
when the demiurge was us the whole time

>>12211738
What I've heard is that it's considered 'pseudo-life' since it has to have host cells to propagate itself.
At best I'd call it a 'biological machine'.

>>12211721
Based LEM virus

>>12212771
>>12212747
>>12212778

Make a thread.

>>12212615
how do they know its a 3d structure like in the drawing?

>>12212771
>>12212778
the demiurge doesnt exist
the bible god does

>>12213148
What reason would a virus have to retain the ability to self-propagate when it can just use the tools of the cell it infects? The end result of a wholly parasitic cellular life form would be to become a virus because all the features dedicated to maintaining cell structure become dead weight.

>>12212132
>söy becomes sentient
https://youtu.be/J32-Dm4utX0

>>12212723
You answered that to a question. It IS a non-statement. Sorry, bro.

>>12213281
Probably because 2d things don't exist and seeing it from different angles.

>>12212729
Really I was just fucking around. What was interesting to you about my comparison?

>>12211846
Some naturally occuring anti-inflamatory drugs are also anti-viral.