/sci/ - Science & Math

>results over rhetoric

they need to pull it together fast. what the fuck happened to these companies. they used to be great.

RESULTS OVER RHETORIC

the absolute state

First for diet Mtn Dew!

>>12180651
>what the fuck happened to these companies. they used to be great.
Congress forced a gorillion defense contractors to merge after the Cold War ended to avoid laying off so many people and they became the bloated, sclerotic shit piles you'd expect.

Delta IVever on the pad

SpaceX
Starlink launch on Thursday
GPS launch on Friday

>>12180658
ok based?

so is spacex gonna be delayed by this shit? can't imagine they'll try flying this again for at least another few days

>>12180667
No.

>>12180667
Thankfully no, it's on a separate pad. Otherwise we'd have had no launches from KSC since August.
>it is now October

First for AWOOOOOOOOOOOO

Is that the second time it caught fire?

>>12180666
Just repeating for my own satisfaction. What else is left but petty and shitty jokes?

taxpayer funded

>>12180673
Delta IVs catch fire every time in normal operation, hence this meme. It aborted for some other reason not related to the fire.

>>12180641
how did u make dis webm so fast? epic speed frend

>>12180673
Delta IV always catches on fire, but this is the second time the computer has detected an anomaly and automatically shut it down during ignition.

>>12180641
>the nation's proven heavy lifter
lmao

>let me just say that, every time you've come on the screen today, you have been an advertisement for mountain dew
this is now forever stored in the congressional records

>>12180683
>SpaceX has 5, maybe 6 Falcon 9 launches scheduled in October
>Including Crew-1

https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

>>12180690
Oops, didn't mean to reply

PROVEN
HEAVY
LIFTER

>>12180688
>NASA worm logo added to F9
>Mountain Dew logo added to Starship

>>12180652

Sorry Tory but LMAOOOO

Well, back to watching Big Jim at the Senate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssnh8KznSeM

>>12180693
grrr >:(

Speaking of forever scrubs... it looks like MOMO-7 is scrubbed for another month.

https://spacelaunchnow.me/launch/momo-flight-7/

is it still on fire? imagine if it blew up haha

>>12180703
hahaha wouldnt that be funny haha lol

maybe if falcon heavy is expedited nro can launch on that?

>>12180703
stop. i can only get so erect! EPIC WIN

>>12180705
God that'd be a fucking nut shot to ULA.

elon pls

This is final nail in the coffin for the Delta family rocket.
F

>>12180714
Cute! They're putting little starship drawings on them now?

>>12180716
It all went to shit when they decided to stop using the blue insulation.

>>12180714
imagine the smell under his skirt haha

>>12180705
it's more likely than you think

>>12180719
blues clues

>>12180714
>Starship has hot, high pressure holes under its skirt
Starship is a GIRL.

>>12180638
how have I never noticed until now
that makes it twice as bad

>>12180714
there's a black band on the starship diagram

>>12180718
>>12180728
Honestly I didn't even notice the little Starship, I was too distracted by the fact that they're building fucking SN12 already.

>>12180714
literally shaking rn

How quick could Elon put together a Falcon Heavy to transport the Delta IV payload?

>>12180719
it all went to shit when they decided to replace the RS-27 with a retardified SSME for medium payload launches. Delta III would have worked fine if they hadn't given up on it after one failed launch.

Atlas V heavy would've been great if they had run with that instead of D4H.

Literally do anything other than make more SSME-derived boosters. It's not that hard.

>>12180718
>>12180732
Where the fuck is it? Am I retarded? Are y'all talking about the starship on the piece of paper?

>>12180740
yee

>>12180743
Oh lmao good. I was searching all over for a little sharpie drawing or something I thought I was the big dumb

a second hotfire abort?

>>12180749
Yerp

>>12180738
>Literally do anything other than make more SSME-derived boosters. It's not that hard.
NO.

>>12180735
The FH could be ready pretty quick. The issue would be getting a new payload adapter and making sure the satellite could handle the load of a rocket it wasn't built for.

Why doesn't ULA just lobby Congress to ban SpaceX at this point? I'm sure they could convince Trump that Musk is a Chinese spy or some shit.

>>12180755
They literally tried. They claimed Elon's Tesla factory in China was disqualifying.

DEPOT

>>12180755
>>12180757
It's crazy they would do that, considering one of the companies that owns ULA, Boeing, literally builds and sells planes to china lel

>>12180760
They could argue that isn't a problem anymore as Boeing hasn't sold any planes since 2019.

>>12180760
Elon's pulled his share of low blows too, like when he teamed up with McCain to ban the RD-180 and kill Atlas V. It's all part of the game.

>>12180759
stop it! RIGHT NOW STOP

It's going to fly. It's going to take us to the Moon, ahead of schedule. And it'll be so cheap that SpaceX goes bankrupt and Musk is arrested for being a redditor. How is /sfg/ gonna cope?

>>12180765
merlin will be banned because rp1 causes global warm

>>12180768
THEY FLY NOW?

>>12180768
>arrested for being a redditor
Made me laugh

>>12180768
give the American PATRIOT a job at a fine Boeing rocket engineering in Huntsville Alabama

>>12180769
Why not just use cryogenic engines? Cryo means cold so just use them to counteract global warming.

>>12180768
Why don't you use a real picture of it flying instead of an Orbiter screenshot anon?

>>12180777
cryo is a meme

>>12180782
Methalox is cryo though

>>12180768
when this thing lights those SSMEs, I might actually cry. It will be the last time those fuckers light up

>>12180779
Why don't you post a picture of a real starship in Orbit, and landing without collapsing it's legs, or it's raptor engine exploding after 20 seconds of being lit

>>12180785
EVERYTHING IS CRYO

>>12180785
You're a fucking cryo

>>12180787
Seriously, why are they just dumping them into the ocean? How fucking hard is it to just detach the engine mount and strap some parachutes to it?

>>12180796
space is hard

>>12180755
>I'm sure they could convince Trump that Musk is a Chinese spy or some shit
Trump likes Elon, so it would be very difficult to do so

>>12180799
Is it though?

>>12180768
reddit actually hates musk for being an evil capitalist, place is full of unironic communists

>>12180796
rocket engines weren't meant to be reused. please enjoy your castrated ssme. we like to call them rs25 for short

Is there anything special about the B-52? Why the fuck has it been in service for so damn long (It'll likely make it to the 90-100 year mark before retirement)

>>12180812
t. redditor

>>12180817
If it ain't broke don't fix it? Same with Soyuz.

>>12180796
Reusability is a fine concept on paper, but it's just not economically viable right now, the spaceshuttle proved it's not viable due to refurbishment costs, SLS is real, and efficient, they don't waste deltaV for the novelty of "Landing" a rocket

>>12180817
It took the concept of a subsonic jet bomber about as far as it could go and nobody ever came up with a design that would do the job much better.

Same reason jetliners today are all variations on the 737 and 747.

>SpaceX might get Phase 2 HLS funding
>t. Big Jim
>then ResultsOverRhetoric® HotRockets™does another hot abort twelve hours later
Holy shit ULA on suicide watch.

>>12180817
It's a big, fat, dumb airplane that carries huge loads over long range at high altitude. As a cheap bomb or missile truck for permissive aerial environments you aren't gonna get much better.

Could you use a suborbital SRB for cargo? Like, imagine taking the body of an ICBM, stripping it of warheads, and attaching a cargo container instead and adding parachutes. You could make deliveries in literal minutes. Though I doubt it'd be viable for commercial consumer shit it could be used in special scenarios, like say delivering humanitarian supplies to a remote area or something.
>tfw no UN food rockets

Time between Nixon announcing the Space Shuttle and Artemis 1: 9 years and 3 months
Inflation-adjusted budget of NASA from 1972-1981: $176 billion

Time between NASA announcing it would slap 4 SSMEs on the bottom of a shuttle tank and now: 9 years and 1 month
Inflation-adjusted budget of NASA from 2011-2020: $221 Billion

wheeeeee!

>>12180840
they did that once
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_mail#United_States

Time between Nixon announcing the Space Shuttle and STS-1: 9 years and 3 months
Inflation-adjusted budget of NASA from 1972-1981: $176 billion

Time between NASA announcing it would slap 4 SSMEs on the bottom of a shuttle tank and now: 9 years and 1 month
Inflation-adjusted budget of NASA from 2011-2020: $221 Billion

>We want to make a spacesuit that will inspire kids like "Yeah I want to wear that one day!"
>Produces this
The fuck was Musk thinking

>>12180846
STS-1 you mean?

>>12180840
>food rocket fails to slow down
>goes back to being a regular rocket

>>12180851
yeah, oop. i also got a b-47 mixed up with a b-52 but nobody caught that one yet.

>>12180828
go to sleep senator shelby

>>12180850
It looks fugly on the men but looks terrible on the woman. Not flattering at all

>>12180655
this image could be real if we moved a several hundred meter diameter asteroid into mid earth orbit

>>12180850
She's got John Boyega hips

>>12180850
>>12180859
Elon's movie costume designer didn't think astronauts were gonna be so fat compared to actors

ADD IT TO THE LIST LADS

August 26: Scrub because of “several problems,” the primary cause being a “pneumatics system issue.” This same countdown also had a long hold because of two blown fuses in a launchpad heater.

August 29: Aborted at T-3 seconds, due to “a torn diaphragm in one of three pressure regulators” in the launchpad. During the countdown they also had holds to deal with a fuel valve issue, a fuel sensor issue, and a temperature payload issue.

September 26: Scrubbed because of issue with the launchpad “swing arm retraction system.”

September 27: Scrubbed because of a continuing issue with the launchpad “swing arm retraction system.”

September 29 (just after midnight): A lightning strike forced a scrub. This was the only scrub not caused by technical issues.

September 29 (just before midnight): Scrubbed because of a hydraulic leak in the ground system.

September 30: Aborted at T-7 seconds. Under investigation. No new launch date yet announced.

>>12180866
This is the launch that never ends
yes it scrubs on and on my friends
someone started stacking it not knowing what it was
but it will remain stuck out on the pad because
this is the launch that never ends

I love Starliner!

>>12180840
>stripping it of warheads
Why though
Food only breeds more hungry people, warhead removes the problem altogether

>>12180850
eh, they're not that bad. apparently they're comfy

>>12180868
kek I love when /sfg/ sings

>>12180840
Even the cheapest SRB costs millions of dollars. You could drop hundreds of times more cargo with a jet for 1/100 the cost.

>>12180850
just get rid of the jacket/pants shit and make it a nice jumpsuit and it would look fine

>>12180850
>SpaceX mentioned every Crew Dragon seat is custom fitted
>The woman's seat will be visibly wider

https://twitter.com/SuperN00by/status/1311519339078709248

>just get them to launch with
@SpaceX
honestly
>No thanks, I think whoever built the payload wants it to make it there safely.
>When has a space x rocket failed in the past 3 years?
>I like how you had to go "uuuuh wait how long has it been, oh yeah, 3 years" before answering. Go ahead and try "100% success record in about two decades of operation" from ULA and see how that compares.

>>12180887

>>12180866
It’s worth noting that, according to NSF, this booster has been at The Cape since last November. They’ve had this thing in place for nearly a year, and still can’t get it to launch on time.

>>12180724
>>12180718
>>12180714
Are you 13 years old?

>>12180905
No, but NROL-44 will be by the time it reaches orbit.

>>12180724
>only girls are allowed to wear skirts
yeah fuck off with that shit man.

Does anyone else think the surfaces of the trillions of lifeless barren planets in the universe would still be interesting to explore and survey?

>>12180910
They won't be so lifeless after we're done with them. Humans naturally slough off biomass everywhere we go.
>we ARE the precursor race

>>12180910
If by survey you mean 'survey, terraform, settle, send out explorers' then yes.

>>12180909
>I'm 1/64th Scottish and I like wearing my kilt sometimes cause it's cool as fuck

KSP but where I have other people actually designing all the spacecraft to my specifications and managing launch windows and orbit corrections and all that and I just tell them what they should be doing and enjoy the results when?

>>12180887
>gee, bob, why does your seat get to fly twice?

>>12180878
it can't be that comfortable if you have to keep grabbing your helmet to turn your head. i wouldn't be surprised if spacex comes out with revised suits next year with better mobility.

>>12180919
>Big Jim Simulator 2021

>>12180919
I'll play it how you want me to on a cost-plus basis

I just want to punch Da Nang Dick in the face. What a viper.

>>12180777
Cryo engines burn fuel and oxidizers without warming them at cryogenic temperatures but the exhaust is still hot

>>12180832
Where did he say that?

>>12180982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW1DolOU6yY

He said that the next phase might be "to one, two, or even three companies" meaning no down-select at all.

Let's say you're the director of NASA some time in the 70s. Nixon gives you the order to start work on the shuttle. What do you do to make it better than the one we got?

>>12180970
Wrong. LH2 burns blue and blue means cold, therefore the exhaust is cold fire that coldens the world.

wheeeeeeeeee!
note to self: either use RTGs or actually check the solar power calculator for distance and panel degradation on the next probes past mars

>>12180850
>one God symbol
>jihadis in outer space

>>12180984
Tell Nixon to suck my dick and order NASA to go nuclear.

>>12180984
Tell him that we are making our own goals, and meeting most (if not all of them). Also I will demand that we are NOT going to give in to the demands of any other organization. Like air force. We are building our Lockheed Martin shuttle and if the air force want to use it AFTER the fact they can

>>12180856
He wants his SLS and shuttle mobile to sleep

>>12180984
replace hydrolox with hypergolics

>>12180905
i am a faggot

>>12180913
This is colonialism.

>>12181005
Good

>>12180983
>BO, Dianetics, Boing!
It could happen!

>>12180984
>”I know about Watergate, Dick. Give me funding for Apollo Applications or else.”

>>12180984
Throw a gorillion dollars at ceramic TPS materials research, ask Boeing to make me a carrier plane bigger than the An-225 that can climb to 60,000 feet with a shuttle on its back, and go with a straight wing air-launched design. Once the prototypes work, order at least twenty of each. Start work on the Centaur variant kickstage as soon as the payload bay dimensions are finalized.

>>12181009
No, Boing! got permabanned from HLS after they fucked up so hard.

>>12180997
B A S E D

>>12180993
Can’t wait for the first Martian mosque

>>12181004
based

>>12180984
Something like the HL-42 launched on an INT-20. Just as good as shuttle for station visits and in-orbit repair, but much cheaper to develop. And the INT-20 would have made for a much more capable launch vehicle than shuttle did.

>>12181015
Will they have to lay on their backs to face Mecca from Mars, or will they just establish a 2nd Mecca on the Martian surface exclusively for prayer direction purposes.

>>12181021
They'll be obligated to use gyroscopically stabilized velcro prayer rugs aligned to mecca in full spherical coordinates.

>>12181012
>Trump wins the election
>Within a month or two replaces Big Jim with Jeff DeWit
>DeWit turns out to be a massive Boeing shill
>Downselects to only Boeing lander, all others dropped
There are a lot of assumptions here, but I'm preparing myself for a worst case scenario

>>12181022
They could just do a projection of the vector pointing at Mecca from their position onto a flat plane tangent to the surface, then face that way.

>>12181022
how much will that cost me

>>12181022
If they don't do this they WILL go to Hell.

>>12181023
If Jim gets canned, we riot.

>>12180905
what the fuck is wrong with those posts?

>>12181023
Would DeWit be worse than Lori Garver's gonna be then?

>>12181021
>look at me, look at me I'm the prophet now

>>12181025
irrelevant because
>>12181026

>>12181027
The fire rises

>>12181023
This just means that the Space Force will get to the moon on Starship before NASA

>>12181029
Lori Garver would be far worse than any Trump pick. She doesn't give a flying fuck about human exploration

>>12180847
What gives that screenshot overlay thing?

>>12181037
*human spaceflight

wheeeeeeeeeee!
had some power issues on this one too, but since it was just cutting out constantly instead of being completely dead I still got a fair amount of data from the flyby of ceres at 7km/s and 10km above the surface

>>12181038
https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/138848-181-historian-expanded/
highly based mod

>>12181043
What mods are you using?

>>12181021
Earth will be visible in the sky depending on the time of day and Earth’s position, and at other times it’ll be occluded by the Martian surface, in which case you can still face in its direction as long as you know where it is.

>>12181022
That’d be some Jetsons shit.
Only a fool would think some Muslims aren’t interested in zooming around up there, so an Imam-approved solution will inevitably appear.

>>12181047
these plus a few others manually installed like EVE Redux and some other stuff I forget, but 90% of list is just stuff from https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki/RO-&-RP-1-Installation-for-1.8.1#essential-extra-mods and https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki/Recommended-Extra-Mods

>>12180997
Very good anon

>>12181055
>spirit of von braun.png
nazi-schmazi

>>12181055

Just got home from this, 2.5 hour drive home

Bummer again

>>12181055
i think when we go to mars, we should start a hitler youth type thing. imagine the seething planetary protectionists. not only do we colonise, but we nationally socialise

>>12181066
same but call it the boy scouts

>>12181064
Should send the bill for gas to ULA.

>>12181064
Shoulda just stayed for the Starlink launch in 7 hours.

Imagine being those guys scheduled to fly in starliner

>>12181071
>Starliner has all female crew roster
>surviving Shuttle engineers throw quiet "not the most dead women in orbit anymore" party

>>12181067
the young girl scouts shall be called braunies

>>12181071
I imagine I’d feel a lot like Vladimir Komarov before his Soyuz flight.

are there any space age corpses floating around out there? dead soviets and the like?

>>12181074
>go through all that
>a parachute failure kills you

RIP

>>12181076
Nobody has actually died in space. It's all on entry or ascent.

>>12181077
Even if he somehow miraculously survived the parachute failure(s), which isn’t completely impossible since he hit the ground at less than 100 mph, the retrorockets activating after impact and melting the capsule made sure he was dead.

>>12181081
what about...secret soviet deaths

>>12181085
okay well technically I think a dog or chimp died because the air conditioner broke once, but not people

>>12181070
I know, but couldn’t miss work.

I was also at the T-3 August scrub for this one

>>12181081
The Soyuz 11 crew died above the Karman line when their capsule depressurized sometime before reentry.

>>12181076
nope, aside from Challenger all the space deaths were either on the ground (Vladimir Komarov in his Soyuz test flight and Gus Ed and Roger in the Apollo 1 fire) or during reentry (Columbia and another Soyuz flight that depressurized when the cosmonauts weren't wearing suits)

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1311538413938438144
finally

>>12181092
>finally
I was hoping it would be something more momentous, like promising to give us all the sweat peace of death, but this works too

>>12181092
>blistering hot
Yeah right I bet it was like 90, TOPS.

>>12181095
man...it's still over 100 for the rest of the week in phx

>>12181095
it's South Texas on the coast, it was probably 40 C and 97% humidity

>>12181090
>The autopsies took place at Burdenko Military Hospital and found that the cause of death proper for the cosmonauts was hemorrhaging of the blood vessels in the brain, with lesser amounts of bleeding under their skin, in the inner ear, and in the nasal cavity, all of which occurred as exposure to a vacuum environment caused the oxygen and nitrogen in their bloodstreams to bubble and rupture vessels. Their blood was also found to contain heavy concentrations of lactic acid, a sign of extreme physiologic stress. Although they could have remained conscious for almost a minute after decompression began, less than 20 seconds would have passed before the effects of oxygen starvation made it impossible for them to function.

>>12181088
are they still out there? could we find laika???? or maybe they reenter eventually

>>12181085
There were lots of cold war rumors about dead soviet astronauts, which were reasonable at the time because they were so secretive about everything. But once they opened up their archives it turned out that the only cosmonaut deaths in flight were the ones they had revealed to the world.

On the other hand it turned out they had been covering up stuff that was at least as bad, like the Nedelin catastrophe

>>12181099
>measures weather temperatures in degrees C(uck)
>claims to know about Texan weather
Go back to the hole from whence you came.

>>12181100
FUCK, almost as bad as burning to death in Apollo 1. Imagine that. A fucking simulation... and then the air combusts and door stuck

>>12181095
>>12181092
>>12181105
what a bunch of fucking pussies it was 85F

>>12181101
they all reentered fairly quickly

>>12181102
> as soon as the engine fired, most of the personnel there ran to the perimeter, but were trapped inside the security fence and then engulfed in the fireball of burning fuel. The explosion incinerated or asphyxiated Nedelin, a top aide, the USSR's top missile-guidance designer, and over 70 other officers and engineers. Others died later of burns or poisoning. Missile designer Mikhail Yangel and the test range commanding officer survived only because they had left to smoke a cigarette behind a bunker a few hundred metres away, but nonetheless suffered burn injuries.
I love how the Soviets still let Glushko continue to develop his hypergolic monstrosities after this disaster.

>>12181107
early space was dangerous as fuck. kind of glad we get some of that drama with high-risk fast iteration development from SpaceX-that allmighty boom recently was choice.

>>12180910
Seeing how pretty much all the planets and a lot of moons/minor planets in our solar system are unique, there's probably a lot of interesting stuff everywhere, even without life.
And at some point quantity becomes a quality on its own, when you can do stats on the kind of planets and how probable they are, etc.

>>12181107
They actually had a cosmonaut killed in a nearly identical incident to Apollo 1, Valentin Bondarenko. He was in an experiment to test the effects of being in a high-oxygen environment for long periods in 1961 when the place caught fire.

I can't remember who but some cosmonaut said that they were all upset after Apollo 1 because they assumed the CIA would have known and told NASA what happened to Bondarenko. The Soviet government itself didn't reveal what had happened for decades, of course.

>>12180894
I saw that tweet earlier and had to actually go and look it up.

The Delta IV Heavy has launched a grand total of 11 times. If you expand that to include the regular Delta IV, it has a total of 40 successful launches.

SpaceX's last failed launch was almost exactly 4 years ago. In that time between the Falcon 9 and Heavy they've had 64 successful launches, and they've managed to land all but 7 of the boosters (not that that has any bearing on the payload reliability).

I was almost tempted to make a Twitter account just to dunk on that faggot.

>>12181124
>>12180894
Just to clarify, when I say they've had 64 successful launches, I mean to say 64 consecutive successful launches.

>>12181123
Based Ivan. I actually love cosmonauts so much

did big Jim say anything at the senate about Starship?

https://www.wunderground.com/history/weekly/us/tx/brownsville/KBRO/date/2020-9-29
if you want to check out the weather history and make fun of these pussies yourself

>>12181123
so cia didnt know?

>>12180905
Just not boomers like yourself.

>>12181135
He hinted that moonship might get more HLS funding but other than that no.

>>12181123
>23 March 1961 was the tenth day of a 15-day endurance experiment in a low pressure altitude chamber at the Institute of Biomedical Problems in Moscow. The chamber's atmosphere was at least 50% oxygen. Bondarenko, having completed work for the day, removed monitoring biosensors from his body and washed his skin with an alcohol-soaked cotton ball, which he then discarded. The cotton ball landed on an electric hot plate which he was using to brew a cup of tea. The cotton ignited and Bondarenko tried to smother the flames with the sleeve of his woolen coveralls, which caught fire in the chamber's oxygen-rich atmosphere.

Because of the pressure difference, it took a watching doctor nearly half an hour to open the chamber door. Bondarenko's clothing burned until almost all the oxygen in the chamber was used up and he had suffered third-degree burns over most of his body. The attending physician at Botkin Hospital, surgeon and traumatologist Vladimir Golyakhovsky, recalled in 1984 that while attempting to start an intravenous drip, the only blood vessels he could find for inserting a needle were on the soles of Bondarenko's feet, where his flight boots had warded off the flames. According to Golyakhovsky, cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin spent several hours at the hospital as "deathwatch officer".
jesus

>>12181150
Poor bastard.

>ywn be an anime protagonist with your own enormous black sidekick and go to space together

>>12181140
No telling, but there's no evidence they ever informed NASA what happened.

>>12181133
By all accounts Leonov was a real bro. After he met Tom Stafford on Apollo-Soyuz they stayed friends until he died.

>>12181167

>>12181150
Even more tragic to think that had the Soviets told the Americans about this, Apollo 1 may never have happened.

>>12181128
>>12181124
The ULA shill is including Atlas V, which does have a legitimately great track record, probably because Boeing had nothing to do with its development.

>>12181167
>>12181172
there's a very strong positive energy coming from these pictures

You now remember that the DoD pussied out after Challenger and instead of improving the Shuttle they went back to hypergolics and solids with the Titan IV for twenty years. This was after DoD was responsible for the disaster in the first place by shitting in the soup pot during the design of the Shuttle itself.

>>12181199
it's because Soichi Noguchi and Victor Glover are anime protagonists

>>12181191
I am now worried about Vulcan.

>>12181191
The Atlas V is a totally different rocket with totally different engines, different fuel types, SRBs, etc. By that logic I could argue the Starship will be incredibly reliable out the gate because Falcon hasn't had a failure in 60+ launches.

venus when bros
hurry up you stupid fucking kiwi shit

>>12181191
Lockheed Martin does all the grunt work to make things happen and everyone considers ULA "that boeing company". Lockheed should just pull out and do their own thing.

>>12181248
agreed. LM are pretty based-I still hope they come from behind with that cool fusion reactor concept and revolutionize spaceflight and power.

>>12181256
If I remember correctly, ULA was sort of a government-mandated conglomeration thing. The DoD wanted a stable company that could inherit all of the ICBM rocket families and make reliable launchers for classified sattelites. But those days seem to be over and hopefully by the time Starship and New Glenn are on the table they will let Lockheed leave and independently make proposals again with full focus. Lockheed is the only oldspace company I can think of that is worthy of being grandfathered in to the newspace era if they tried. They take space seriously but they always outdo themselves and never get selected because their ideas are ambitious

>>12180817
they've got the B-1, B-2, and B-21 for fancier stuff where air superiority is not fully established
the B-52 is cheaper to operate and proven reliable, when all you're doing is bombing Abu Hajaar's cousins it's all you need

>>12181261
Whyyyyyyyy why didn’t NASA go with this. Lockheed proposed it BEFORE nasa asked for lander proposals. It’s a way better option than National Team. They should have selected it on the request that commercial partners get to join in on the fun

>>12181265
That would have been awesome. Imagine it with Jim's seal of approval, aka the worm. I bet it could be made cheaper if they switched to a different engine that wasn't made by (((aerojet rocketdyne)))

>>12180850
big inflatable diapersuits can totally look cool, the spacex suits look so shit. even the fake art school engineering suits from the expanse look cooler.

>>12181273
For the price of one set of one single RS-25 per year at Aerojew Shekeldyne billing rates you could bring Mike McCulloch over on a visa and give him an Eagleworks team with the remaining budget. We'd have working photon loop thrusters in a decade (adhesive taped copper afterburners optional).

well, looks like SpaceX have frozen work in Florida entirely
https://twitter.com/farryfaz/status/1311420604474626050

>>12181295

>>12181295
It's peak hurricane season.

>>12181297
you don't actually need to freeze work during hurricane season unless there's a hurricane on top of you

Let's be honest, SpaceX has been a complete failure. Elon should stick to cars.

>>12180866
R E S U L T S
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>>12180672
If they weren't such furfags, maybe they'd have the sense to stick the remaining payloads intended to go up on Delta IV's on FH's instead and get this embarrassment over with.

>>12181322
OVER

Are active biospheres possible on geologically dead worlds? In Star Wars, the swampy, mostly flat terrain of Dagobah was due to the planet being geologically dead and unable to support plate tectonics, resulting in a relatively smooth surface due to the dominance of erosion.

>>12181323
FH doesn't have the long fairing and vertical integration it needs yet

>>12181329
So? ULA doesn't have a rocket to launch this shit on at all.

>>12181325
RHETORIC

>>12181331
but they can at put on a dog and pony show a couple times a month

>>12181328
I don’t see why not. Depending on how geologically dead the planet is, you may lack a magnetosphere, which could put a time limit for how long the planet would remain habitable, but there’s nothing fundamentally impossible about that.

>>12181329
If FH ever got those it'd be easy enough to add an ICPS+Orion stack variant, thus killing SLS. Government wouldn't go for it on that basis alone.

>>12181336
are you living under a rock?
https://spacenews.com/news-analysis-with-pentagon-award-spacex-joins-the-establishment/

https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1311005850799157248

is this the end of EMdrive?

>>12181357
the EM drive was the end of the EM drive

>>12181291
Wait what, is he not American? I always assumed he was.
>>12181381
Lmao

>>12180993
which way would martian/space Muslims face when praying?

>>12181413
towards mecca

>>12181413
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/islamic-authorities-issue-fatwa-one-way-trips-mars-180949857/

>>12180749
help

>>12181413
every way possible after the explosion

>>12180768
>guys its real
>ksp image

>>12181413
Muslims always face towards Mecca, but in the direction of Mecca if Earth was flat. They don’t look towards the ground if it’s occluded by thousands of miles of earth rock.

>>12181452
>not doing your prayers in a headstand
bro...

>>12181261
>this picture
>a single, lonely and echo-y sound is heard in the emptiness of space
>"aeiou"

>>12181261
imagine KSP but where you could have elevators like that without everything exploding and sending parts flying out of the solar system

>>12181323
nigger elon fanboys are fucking retarded.

>>12181499
One rocket is operational, the other has an infrastructure that has rotted away.

>>12180641
imagine being the guy that has to scrape off all the shitty decals from the building after every launch

>>12181452
hence my question, where would a mars Muslim face?

>>12181548
towards mecca

>>12181548
>muslims
>on mars

>>12181548
Towards Earth, I’d imagine.

>>12181561
Muslims can go to Mars if they wish, and some certainly do.

>>12181573
sand niggers would haven nuked themselves before they have the money to book a ride on starship

>>12181622
Okay /pol/

>>12180866
That's a pretty big scrub list.

Hm so I was going to post the launch thread, but SpaceX hasn’t put up the stream yet. I assume it’s still on?

>>12181669
Still over an hour until launch.

>>12180994

>>12181073
>the young girl scouts shall be called braunies

>>12181687
ah it's up now

>>12180993
You made me do this

>>12181502
Yeah but they're both furfags though.

>>12181730
inshallah brother

launch thread
>>12181745
stream starts ~40min from this post

>>12180847
Are there any KSP mods that can allow screenshots to be taken that have that 60s aesthetic like pic related?

>>12181167

SpaceX live in 15 min
https://youtu.be/UZkaE_9zwQQ

>>12181073
>sending women to Mars
Genetic engineering and artificial wombs will allow us to restore the Martial spirit of MAN-kind on Mars. Women can have Venus.

>>12181796
What are they doing?

OH NO NO NO NO

DIVH is at 7 scrubs for its launch. This F9 is now at 3. WHO WILL WIN???!??!?

>>12181882
Kinda makes you wonder if the ULA and SpaceX pad ninjas aren't having a turf war on the Scrub Center grounds or something.

>>12181295
Do they treat the stainless with sacrificial lamb's blood?

>>12181882
RESULTS will win over RHETORICS

>>12181089
Stop going to the launch attempts; you're obviously bad luck.

China Russia Europe BTFO

GPS scrub tomorrow, don't forget to tune in

How precisely do muslims have to "aim" at the mecca to pray? Because since the earth is round they could pray to either east or west but in media we always see mentions of praying to the east.
What if they are aboard say the ISS? They would have to turn while praying to keep pointing at the mecca.

ELON FANBOYS ON TWITTER WHO BLASTED ULA WITH HATE NOW ON SUICIDE WATCH.

>>12181974
What happened?

>>12181966
>What if they are aboard say the ISS?
Then we need a fucking time machine.

>Scrubbing because of weather
>Scrubbing because your rocket that was cobbled together from spare parts malfunctioned again
Someone from the back of the class please tell me the difference between the two

>>12181987
Same results. SpaceX stans on suicide watch. You wish you had the reliability track record ULA has.

>>12181992
this. /sfg/ is now a ULA general

>>12181987
Weather isn't something you can control, while shit engineering is completely the responsibility of the designers.

>>12181966
I've been told that they prey directly towards the closest point on earth, ie straight down. since they consider the most direct route to mecca from anywhere in space would be the shortest line between you and earth, and then from that point to the correct direction, especially since worshippers on earth don't pray in a straight line through the centre of the earth to Mecca but instead prey in the direction of the most direct overland route.
Also they don't take it all that seriously, it's more about the intent, especially since astronauts would be considered travellers under Islam and travellers get all sorts of exemptions. It doesn't matter if you're slightly off in the direction, and it doesn't matter if you start the prayer in the right direction but then spin around due to zero gravity as you're praying.

>>12182004
Fineness is responsible for much of F9's scrubs and is an engineering decision, although an unavoidable one in F9's case.

ULA cope is pretty sad though, at this point they're just a welfare organization getting the bare minimum to keep afloat for diversification purposes.

>>12182009
How will they deal with the bending of space and time?

>>12182004
Nope. It was an engineering decision to make a fickle pencil dick rocket. Cope

>>12181997
Orion looks better on D4H change my mind

>>12182030
Start praying 0.01 seconds earlier than usual.

>>12182043
I think anon meant gravitational lenses.

>>12181961
Northrop Scrubbin' launch tonight too

>>12182039
why would anyone want to change your mind when you're objectively correct?

>>12182046
I doubt that'll be a concern for a few hundred years.

Wasn't ULA getting paid 1B a year for "launch readiness"? Is that still happening?

>>12182070
"Launch readiness" is just a euphemism for "strip clubs" for aerospace CEOs.

>Super Heavy stacking
It's happening

>>12182004
SpaceX made a mistake with their pencil rocket, Starship won't share this engineering mistake though
still better than ULA and their partsbin broken piece of shit that can't launch at all

>>12182083
I bet in ~10-20 years, someone will look back at the Starship factory development and say that letting the public take pictures of your shit is the most successful business strategy.

>>12182070
probably not anymore
what with the short notice on the rd180 ban
it's obvious that they won't be able to keep their end of the bargain

>>12182097
unless it makes it easier for the competition to figure out what you're doing and use the info to one up you then it's the worst business strategy

>>12182097
superheavy prototypes should be easy for spaceX, it's literally just an elongated starship, with a different thrust puck

>>12182093
How much more weather resistant is Starship supposed to be?
I can't imagine it'll be the USPS of rockets.
>>12182099
>the rd180 ban
What? When did this happen?

>>12182106
2016/2017 ish

>>12182105
They're gonna have troubles with the plumbing. That makes me nervous.

>>12182122
27 new experimental, one of a kind never done before engines on a rocket is pretty insane
The first Superheavy with full engines might RUD N1 style into the Gulf

Why are rocket launch so fucking dependent on ABSOLUTELY FUCKING PERFECT weather conditions?

Sure, launching in heavy thunderstorms or blizzards or category 5 tropical storms is out of the question, but how can we make it so that routine mild rain showers or winds less than 15mph don't force a goddamn launch scrub?

>>12182149
1) Don't make your rockets long and thin.
2) Hire competent engineers rather than space fillers.

>>12182149
When the rocket and payload cost a shitzillion dollars and it‘s not time critical, why not wait for perfect conditions?

>>12181992
Is it 0% reliability or 100% reliability if you just never launch it at all?

>>12182149
I'm still developing my mountaintop orbital slingshot proposal so for now the world still relies on crude rocketry.

>>12182149
Build bigger rockets. Brute force the fuck out of nature.
BUILD IT YOU FUCKING COWARDS!

>>12182176
Nuclear Sea Dragon when?

>>12182106
It's supposed to be able to launch through normal rain or thunderstorms, tropical storms/hurricanes still a no-go.

>>12182176
If we're gonna go big then we may as well go all out.

>>12182186
>Coca Cola
>Not Blacked.com or Bad Dragon
Get with times

>>12181730
lmao, saved for the next starliner launch 2 years from now

>>12182186
You shouldn't use a nuclear pulse drive to launch.

>>12182212
It launches from Israel don't worry

>>12182215
No I mean because it's inefficient. You'd be better off dropping nukes from a conventional rocket.

>>12182149
Falcon 9 is a great piece of construction, but everything has a downside anon

>>12182176
Sea dragon is fucking based.
Side note, is 'For All Mankind' worth watching? All I know about is that the finale is Sea Dragon taking off.
Heard a bunch of bad shit about it, promo images have
>le badass female astronaut group
but, on the plus side:
>ronald d. moore
>motherfucking moon base
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMDcC0QvFQ

If it's not worth it, any other realistic space tv/movie suggestions?

>>12182149
It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>12182149

>>12182229
Its expendable right? How much was the cost in the series? $10 billion per launch?

>>12182229
It's not as bad as the promo makes it seem, yeah there's the 'muh first woman' angle but it's treated as the publicity stunt it actually is after the Soviets do it first.

>>12182229
I've only seen clips. Seems pretty interesting but I'm not going to subscribe to another streaming service for one show.
Just watch Apollo 13 again.

>>12182243
>Its expendable right?
Nope.

>>12182229
They fire Von Braun, anon.
They deserve the rope.

>>12182229
Seeing an Apollo capsule on top of a Sea Dragon will never not tickle my autism

>>12182229
The Expanse is great if you don't mind aliens.

>>12182149
It's a problem somewhat inherent to rockets, by necessity they need to have low dry mass, this means that the structure of the rocket is very light and can be prone to being damaged by aerodynamic stresses and it also means you can't really put large aero-surfaces on them like an aircraft, especially not something like Falcon which then has to return to the ground the opposite way it left.
This doesn't lend itself well to dealing with gusts of wind, because it's very difficult for the vehicle to easily correct it's course on the way up. The margin for error is quite slim especially with the vehicle having to conserve propellant for propulsive landing.
>>12182243
Reusable with refurbishment, by nature of being very simple and very large that wouldn't be costly like it was with the shuttle.

>>12182149
Best answer is >>12182153. Lots of rockets (even good ones like Falcon 9) are long and skinny. While they are made well, if they experience high winds it will push them slightly sideways... and when you're traveling fast as fuck the wind shear will tear the rocket apart if you point sideways too much. Currently rockets like Starship are promising to be "all weather", in that they can handle a lot of shit and will be able to launch in pretty much any weather condition an airplane could without self destructing

>>12182238
Funny that the NASA administrator who said that also forgot to mention space stuff in his statement about what NASA will do in the future.

We need to make rocketry open source and allow commercial space companies to start growing everywhere in the world.

>>12182265
>>12182256
Was that the case in the TV show/movie? That's what I'm asking. I don't care about bunch of paper scribble rocket.

>>12182279
I don't care about the show, so I can't answer that.

>>12182272
tell that to the pentagon

>>12182294
Then why did you reply to my post specifically about the movie/tv series?

>>12182149
Virgin Galactic plane launchs would not have this problem.

>>12182261
>They fire Von Braun
Son of a bitch, why? Because he's 'evil nazi guy'?

>The Expanse is great if you don't mind aliens.
Expanse season 1, despite the sorta shitty acting and minute-to-minute writing, actually fucking felt like something humanity in the near future could become. It was grimy and really low-level and felt like a real future. Kinda lost me hard when the alien shit shows up and the perspective shifts from 'small mysteries in a realistic working class setting' to 'massive, species changing events that for some reason involve our working class characters'. I don't mind the alien shit, really. I'm just sad that it drifts so far from the whole realistic blue collar future stuff. Still watched it all though.

>>12182306
Because I like rockets and Sea Dragon is cool, if all you care about is some fucking show maybe /tv/ would be more your speed.

>>12182149

>>12182308
>Galactic Virgin
>launching anything

>>12182279
Fuck the other anon for being obtuse. We only see Sea Dragon at the end of season 1 and that's it, what it's for and how it works in the show aren't stated as of now. Season 2 might cover it more though.

So what's the expected LEO payload of starship?

>>12182337
100 tonnes safe, 120 tonnes with a rough margin.

>>12182329
IC, thanks. Does the show cover more into other rocket costs and shit? Or is it more of a political show with the rocket merely a tool for politics?

>>12182343
It's an alternative timeline... so sort of both. It shows off cool rocket concepts that never got built but also has some dumb shit for the SJW crowd

>>12182343
It's a what if we let minorities and women into NASA in the 60's sort of show but instead of representing the accurate effects (EG the current shitshow) it's some idealistic nonsense.

>>12182104
>unless it makes it easier for the competition to figure out what you're doing and use the info to one up you then it's the worst business strategy
But anon, that would require the competition to knows its arse from its elbow

>>12182308
No, it would only spontaneously RUD when failing to settle propellant.

>>12182323
Space is hard. This was maybe my answer to Elon, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. SpaceX had a very idealistic philosophy: that if the rocket was cheap, the industry would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Elon can say that Starship will become king and reigns for decades, and it will be cheap and good. But Elon doesn’t ask the question: What is his Martian tax policy? Will he maintain a government job base? What will he do in times of budget cuts and political opposition? And what about all these jobs? By the end of the program, the Shuttle was gone but all of the jobs aren’t gone – they’re in the states. Will Elon pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them?

>>12182358
assuming the competition remain incompetent forever is also the worst business strategy

>>12182368
We are talking about oldspace here

Interesting... the University of California, Riverside just did a study and concluded that had Jupiter not fucked up Venus' orbit, it would still be very Earthlike and most likely support life. I don't know if they studied the geology of the surface or anything but they seem to have concluded that jupiter pushed it out of the habitable zone. Guess it took one for the team so Earth could thrive

>>12182375
Fuck I forgot to link the paper
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/PSJ/abae63

>>12182371
i see you're knee deep into the strategy already

>>12182343
Give the first episode a try and see for yourself, there's enough space stuff to keep you interested between astronaut drama I think.

>>12182316
I just couldn't get past the annoying patois of whatever faction it was. For some reason it was just pure cheese. And the subtle as a brick forcing of the lesbian preacher's relationship into just about every fucking scene she appeared in.

>>12181757
not sure if this is a subtle attempt to get someone to post a two-week-old screenshot off of twitter, but yes (and the mod is BDB)

>>12182375
>>12182378
>the wacky timeline where life evolved at similar rates on both planets leading up to a grand interplanetary war

>>12182104
Oi vey, muh secrecy! They'll see how to buy sheets of stainless and weld them together!

Meanwhile all the actual technical work is being done in software hundreds of miles away. The only technical component with any sensitivity are the engines that you're only seeing the final product of.

>>12182375
Imagine how totally different history would have went if the first probes sent to Venus found it swampy with a large ocean
>tfw the soviets designed their earliest Venus impactors to float

>>12182375
Isn't Venus technically in the inner edge of the habitable zone? What does its migration effect in terms of its periodic catastrophic resurfacing events that have actually fucked it up?

>>12182149
If you have much cloud coverage at all then it's possible for the rocket launch to cause a lightning strike. An Atlas got destroyed in 1987 after launching into some mild clouds, so NASA created the current weather restrictions in response to that.

>Updated dates for upcoming Boeing Starliner missions:

>• Orbital flight test-2, Dec. 2020
>• Crew flight test, June 2021
>• Post-certification mission: Dec. 2021

>claim that the only problems with your capsule are some software bugs that should have been easily caught

>take a year to fix them

>>12182459
I honestly believe had Bolden still been in charge they would have been given the go-ahead to proceed with the crewed test flight

>>12182229
>is 'For All Mankind' worth watching
100%. It's way better than the trailers imply.

>>12182430
I think Venus is JUST outside of it. Like literally straddling the edge, to the point where if it were nudged a liiiiiittle further out water could exist

>>12182468
Imagine how big the skid marks must be in the pants of the astronauts who have to ride that shitshow.

>>12181976
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazza_Al_Mansouri

Seethe

>>12182598
Yeah, we do need a time machine. Look at the state of the world.

>>12182601
Looks fine to me.

>>12182601
There are lots of things wrong with the world, but encouraging the UAE and other Arab states to be more normal and less explodey is a good thing. Ideally the Arab worlds adopts Western standards on, say, vehicle safety, and we adopt the Arab view on women's rights.

>>12182229
It has some mistakes but overall it is pretty cool.

>>12182655
Based

Today in history:
>1958 – The National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics is replaced by NASA.

AEIOU

>>12182704
more like aaaaaaacccccdeeeeeghiiiiiiillllmmnnnnnnnnnooooppqrrstttttuuuuu

JOHN MADDEN JOHN MADDEN JOHN MADDEN

>Mfw my dream is to go to space
>Currently in Uni, studying Pre-Med
>Watch GATTACA last night
>Mfw I actually start tearing up during it

Wtf. I just wanna go to space bro’s.

>>12182655
Yeah I'm just not so convinced it's going to encourage them to go less explodey. It's just going to give them access to technologies that make them a bigger threat.
Good intentions seem like a good paving material at first.

>>12182711
Search engines are still magical for anything that doesn't have misleading normie results.

>>12182720
The weak should fear the strong.

>>12182717
>be me
>multiple genetic physical and mental conditions
>always been enamored of space, wanted to live in an orbital colony or at the first moon base
>always have to stop myself when I start imagining these scenarios, as I'll never be physically or mentally fit enough to live in space
>neither will my future biological children unless genetic engineering becomes widespread and can eliminate my inherited diseases
GATTACA makes me cry brother

>>12182728
This is not a matter of that. This is a matter of the strong giving the weak access to technologies they can't come up with themselves.
And the weak in this case suffer from a case of collective religiously induced psychosis.

Not really a good combo. I wasn't really a big fan of letting China enter the WTO either for that matter. Look how that shit turned out for our industries.

>>12181205
The SRBs would be needed under any TAOS configuration. A smaller shuttle would decrease the number of segments needed, but the O-ring vulnerability wouldn't go away.

>>12182423
Video related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VTF23EFvEM

>>12182738
Their religion makes them superior to the degenerate west. Demographic totenkrieg

>>12182735
autism

>>12182735
CRISPR will be outlawed bc some people think it is literally eugenics.

>>12182774
it's potentially eugenics without all the questionable moral problems, what's there not to like?

>>12182774
Anti-eugenicists, planetary protection fags, and liberals all fall under the same tent. Fuck them.

>>12182781
China will breed mutants and human killing super viruses.

>>12182786
Don't forget doomers of all sorts and the anti-natalists.

>>12182786
Look how well genetics worked for Wuhan.

>>12182792
They do that as a matter of course already.

>>12182774
One can hope.

Someday...

>>12182743
>The SRBs would be needed under any TAOS configuration.

Not so, here's all the TAOS configurations they were looking at.

>>12182786
People with souls.
You are a demon who wants to elevate mankind by turning mankind into slaves.

>>12182781
It is usually implied that some groups are exterminated or sterilized.
>>12182786
Consider the possibility that you are part of the group being exterminated or sterilized then.
Maybe your problematic beliefs come from inherited personality traits that "must be bread out".

>>12182786
Eugenics are not bad inherently, but I guarantee whoever does it will create something you don’t like.

>>12182827
979-073 A looks strangely familiar, doesn't it?

>>12182848
Except it's not a glider on top and they're not throwing away the booster, yes.
But then again. there's only so many ways you can stack a TSTO.

>>12182848

>>12182848
Looks like everyone’s first spaceplane in KSP