/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12172606
>How do Copenhagen QM believers cope with the fact that the "observer" should also be caught up in quantum entanglment?
Why would this be a problem
>Why is a human the only thing that can't be quantum entangled? Sounds like some the sun revolves around the earth religious bullshit.
Nobody thinks that.

>>12172656
Uhm yes.
This is why the many worlds interprtation exists: The observer/"human" also gets entangled in the superpositions and splits into a different world.
In Copenhagen Int. the wavefunction + superposition collapses as soon as a human measures it.
Seems very humanoid centric and is also the most published and valid criticism of Copenhagen.

>>12172671
Proof on why only a human can resolve quantum entanglement in Copenhagen:
>An electronic observer measures a particles spin.
>it outputs its measurements on a sheet of paper in a closed box.
>The electronic observer and the results are still quantum entangled since there is no way of knowing what is the outputted result.
>only a human/counsiences can "know" something
>a human has to open the box and read the output for it to become real
>schrödingers cat essentially

>>12172606
Consciousness causes collapse is where is at, fucking deterministic kid.

>>12172773
Exactly. You need bible.

ah yes, another thread where we misinterpret the observer as some mythical conscious being
really wish they named it something else

>>12172863
>ah yes, another thread where we misinterpret the observer as some mythical conscious being
This is the (((COPE))nhagen thread. So its the right interpretation.

>>12172870
no
no interpretation posits that humans are unique. an observation is any strong entanglement with the quantum system.
your OP isn't even wrong enough to argue against, it's just nonsense

>>12172851
Cope.

>>12172870
You don't know anything about QM. it's obvious that you don't like the Copenhagen interpretation solely due to you not knowing what you're talking about at all and having your entire position on the matter be informed by popsci and memes

>>12172606
because the Copenhagen interpretation is "shut up and calculate" except don't just up about it, but write incomprehensible explanations as you can't admit that Einstein(a jew) just totally owned your ass

>>12172875
>>12172882
>>12172885
COPE

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WqGCaRhib42dhKWRL/if-many-worlds-had-come-first
I enjoyed reading this and so I’ll spread it.

>>12172606
Jesus fucking christ how many idiots are in this thread. Observer doesn't mean a fucking human observer you nigger retards.

>>12173223
>Everyone: What does it mean?
>COPEnhagen: .....

>>12173231
I know this is a bait thread but just so you know, an observation is defined by an action performed to check whether the wavestate function has collapsed, usually by launching a particle at the particle in superposition.

>>12173254
what actions and performed by who?

I don't understand why copenhagen fags play this game. You are a fucking retard.

>>12173261
The joke really isn't funny man, gonna have to find new material

>>12172875

I think MWI in general isn't even wrong enough to argue against, it's just nonsense.

MWI is so ridiculous it's almost impossible to even figure out how to argue against it. It's akin to the argument that dinosaurs never existed and that God created dinosaur bones to test our faith. Clearly nonsense, but I'm not even sure how to argue against it.

>>12173157

That article (written May 10,2008) closes by saying we're in the world where George W. Bush is president.

Lol. It's actually occurred to me before that Trump's presidency might be a sign that MWI is true. After all, if MWI is true, there has to be some universe where Trump is president............

Trump's presidency makes George W. Bush's presidency seem normal in comparison.