/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12164798
This is like that meme where the guy works out but his face doesn't fit his new body.

>>12164798
Wait how did he die?
I didn't hear about this.
I guess now he's kissing asuka in heaven ;_;

>>12164815
he went missing and they found his car. a few days later they found his body. he seems to have drown after perhaps jumping off of a bridge. there were lots of posts about it here nevertheless i am sorry for your loss, but it is not really a loss because death is an illusion so i am not all that sorry but i understand the feeling

How has he died?

>>12164826
>>12164815
https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2020/04/16/missing-waukegan-man-found-dead-in-lake-michigan/

Motive for kysing?

>>12164798
>he actually commited suicide by drowning
Holy shit F.

>>12164846
depression and other mental illnesses. that's not an outsider-looking-in perspective, he has admitted depression and his mom said he suffered from it. he got very schizophrenic near the end, thinking everyone else was just a figment of the simulation. perhaps he was trying to escape from it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIt-w8BwvV4
The description also reads "I was diagnosed with acute psychosis and Dr. Miller thinks I probably have some kind of bipolar disorder. This just adds another reason to hate myself. I look forward to dying ASAP."

>>12164798
>speak out against nihilism
>still kill yourself because you're a godless heathen who had to realize nihilism is the ultimate conclusion of atheism

This video was a desperate attempt to reassure himself.

I didnt even know. That sucks.

>>12164868
>speak out against nihilism
>still kill yourself
those aren't mutually exclusive unless
>godless heathen
stopped reading there, and stopped reading all of your other peabrained replies in the future too.

Rest in peace, the true main character of the universe.

>>12164881
Jokes on you, I don't have a trip you can filter so you'll be reading my funposts until one of us or the site dies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIt-w8BwvV4
lmao

>>12164798
RIP...so young

>>12164905
>>12164911
he lived, he spoke the truth, and then he died

>>12164905
fuck man...
fucking hell it's hard to watch this knowing that he killed himself
RIP I hope his family is okay

>>12164798
Can someone do a twitter shop of this guy saying "I have information that will lead to Hillary Clinton's arrest"?

Has he died a virgin?

>>12164798
What's his routine ?

"I was diagnosed with acute psychosis and Dr. Miller thinks I probably have some kind of bipolar disorder. This just adds another reason to hate myself. I look forward to dying ASAP.

Also boosts the case for my personal vow to anti-natalism. I knew my genes were bad but not this bad"

Damn rip this guy.

>>12165367
Where does he say this words?

>>12165373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIt-w8BwvV4&ab_channel=Kill%28ss%29ingAsuka

description of this vid

>>12164798
Damn, gone too soon. RIP shirtless man

>>12165373
>antinatalism
>bad genes
>"""mental illness"""
Is anyone else more annoyed at the fact that he thought he had moral/scientific justification for killing himself, than at the fact that he actually killed himself?

>>12165622
Yeah, if he’d lost a parent or dog or his gf broke up with him it would be relatable, but killing yourself over an ideology every junior high school misfit comes up with to feel smart and forgets about by high school is just frightening. It would be like killing yourself because your dungeons and dragons character died. Every misfit guy in junior high invented these brainlet style “theories” concurrently and independently, as they’re the sort of Knick knack ideologies that you don’t have to read any books to invent in your head while still allowing you to fool yourself into thinking your smarter than everyone else. Most of these boys “grew out” of that brainlet sized nazi tier arrogance. It’s scary to think some of them just stayed that way forever. Combining his stunted perpetual seventh grader personality with a mental illness diagnosis primed him for suicide. I think it was probably a disastrous attempt to woo a girl that probably sent him over the edge. He did seem to be uniquely obsessed with finding one of those.

>>12164798
>relativity of simultaneity implies eternalism
Not according to Smolin

>>12164798
>April 12 2020
He died on March 3. His body was discovered on April 12.

>>12165227
>I saw a sign that said “extra virgin oil.” Then I thought about being a virgin and laughed to myself. I can’t believe I used to think sex was Real. I’m not supposed to have sex, dummy.
>Sex remains one of the strangest concepts about this simulation.

>>12165367
>>12165622
>conceived through IVF
>bad genes

>>12165298
https://vitrifyher.com/daily-workout-routine-and-diet/

not too soon. i’m glad that idiot is gone. he shilled himself here with his brainlet videos acting like he was smarter than anyone when he was entirely retarded the whole time. he got memes by LessWrong and that turned him into a pompous cunt and I personally trolled him for being such a brainlet. the world now has one less undergrad spamming Youtube with pseudoscience and that’s a good thing

>>12165622
>Is anyone else more annoyed at the fact that he thought he had moral/scientific justification for killing himself, than at the fact that he actually killed himself?
What's wrong with ESLs? He never says "I'm mentally ill therefore I am justified in killing myself." He says "I'm mentally ill, which is yet another reason I hate myself. I look forward to dying as soon as possible." Even if we were going to take that literally as a sort of suicide note, all he's saying is that he doesn't like himself: and you're saying you find him annoying for it lmao

>>12165719
post pictures of smolin without a shirt on or it didnt happen
>>12165720
Sure, I don't give a shit, I just copy-pasted what this website said https://usobit.com/obituaries-2020/04/mario-alejandro-montano-gonzalez-april-15-1997-april-12-2020/
He's eternal anyway
>>12165799
>i personally trolled him for being such a brainlet
based. it would be wrong for you now to change your opinion because he's dead

>>12165727

>>12165227

>>12165799
Fuck you

I miss him so much bros. One time he asked if I wanted to Skype because in my ignorance I disagreed with one of his points. He coulda showed me eternity bros... I'm too dumb to learn it myself

/Montañocore/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOQXGZCpWBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMfrzvrh4ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMJUNyFZysw&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yas2vpTPWWY&app=desktop
Songs he referenced at one point or another

checked out his channel because of this thread...all I see is a teenager babbling. Where's he interesting stuff?

>>12166534
>all i see is a teenager babbling
what else would there be? and what does age have to do with it?, if he looked older would it have made a difference to you?

>>12166534
He is 22

>>12164867
>>12164867
This is the practical and active form of that obligation of a Master of the Temple in which it is said: "I will interpret every phenomenon as a particular dealing of God with my soul." ( from Crowley )

as doing sport at some point becomes dangerous, and you need technique and patience same is with mind work and spiritual practices. you push your body too much you get injured, push your mind too much - same.
seems like he pushed his limit, and injured his mind
it's very easy today, with red pills available, no father figures for guidance, a good bunch of hurt feelings and hurt childhood - the hero/warrior archetype takes hold and you end up pushing limits not in your category.

be cautious friends, let balance be your guide line

>>12165821
>all he's saying is that he doesn't like himself
Inflammation is part of the complex biological response of body tissues to harmful stimuli, such as pathogens, damaged cells, or irritants, and is a protective response involving immune cells, blood vessels, and molecular mediators.(Wikipedia)
The five classical signs of inflammation are heat, pain, redness, swelling, and loss of function.

Now, there is also inflammation in the psyche.
Healthy people do not have a desire to kill themselves. It is a sign of inflammation when somebody has those thoughts. It might be chronic - lives his lives with those thoughts. might be acute. Anyhow, it needs attention and treatment.

>all he's saying is that he doesn't like himself
i disagree, he is saying that his psyche is inflamed

>>12166607
>Healthy people do not have a desire to kill themselves. It is a sign of inflammation when somebody has those thoughts.
Citation needed
>i disagree, he is saying that his psyche is inflamed
he did not say that. whether or not your hypothesis is true, you can feasibly simultaneously not believe in it and not like yourself. just because he says one, does not mean he himself is saying the other. you can't just interpret everything anyone says into being based on the "correct" assumptions

>>12166607
Why is /med/ so retarded?

>>12166619
>Healthy people do not have a desire to kill themselves.
common sense
>It is a sign of inflammation when somebody has those thoughts.
an analogy, a perspective - the same way you address physical inflammation, mental phenomena like "killing yourself" needs same attention

>>12166640
unfortunately the med profession is not dealing very well with mental health in our age and time. they do preform extra ordinary well regarding physical body. so i wouldn't label it as /med/ retard. maybe more just anon (me) is retard.

>>12166640
This has nothing to do with /med/. This is just retards trying to convince you and themselves of ideas which they pulled out of their ass, by drawing parallels to actual science or commonly known truths as you can observe here: >>12166607
>>12166573
The mere association with a concept you accept as true and the prefacing with scientific language raises their credibility and makes people assume they're experts, as you evidently did.

>>12166727
>by drawing parallels to actual science
>scientific language raises their credibility and makes people assume they're experts

get out of here and check your power level
literacy, which i am not a good example of, raises your credibility and perceived intelligence
>like none of us has ever heard about hubbard and his scientology
hijacked scientific language and turned it into a cultish gold mine

what's your opinion on the following:
"We place no reliance on Virgin or Pigeon
Our method is Science, our aim is Religion"

Sherlocks and shrinks,

What was his thought train and conclusions that led him to suicide?

>>12164798
Another incel idol passes away. Sad.

>>12165719
Smolin is a genuine retard. Look up rainbow gravity (sometimes called gravity's rainbow, not to be confused with the novel, which is actually worth your time) to get an idea of how little he understands what he's talking about. Even Sabine knows it's bs, and she's an intellectual paperweight.

>>12164905
Wow, that's sad.
I always thought he was just a pseud, not a crazy.

>>12165821
Did you actually watch the video? He talks about how he believes he cannot die, about how he's the main character of the universe and anyone watching the video is just a future iteration of himself. He believes that he'll "jump ship" to a new body when he dies.
Even the rest of that text,
>Also boosts the case for my personal vow to anti-natalism. I knew my genes were bad but not this bad
shows that he believes that his genes are bad and shouldn't be passed on. If he also believed that the purpose of life is to reproduce, then this would give him, in his eyes, a clear justification in ending his life.

What's more, that guy didn't say he found Mario annoying, he said he found the fact Mario thought he was justified annoying. If my wife was supposed to get some potatoes but the shop is empty, I might say that "[the fact that the shop is out of potatoes] is annoying", but I'm not saying SHE'S annoying.

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>>12166940


>>12166914
Actual epistemology does not require pragmatic language if it is not about teaching. Assuming medicine is science or art would require to give the leeway of randomness in it an epistemological value. Very old paradox. Mathematical truth is eternal and always a footprint of its user. Medicine as a science itself suffers from mimicry and its probabilistic pitfalls.

>>12166996
What? Are you a schizo?

>>12164798
He seems like a super interesting case. Intelligent and creative people rarely make their thoughts this public. He was clearly a bit deranged if you look at his website, but he had learned and concluded an impressive amount of things at such a young age. And his view of eternalism is obviously correct, it's the only option that makes sense logically and physically.

>>12164905
lol dumb schizo

>he said he found the fact Mario thought he was justified annoying
What does this even mean? He felt annoyed, and it was directly caused by the behavior of someone else - and this does not mean that he found Mario annoying? The distinction is meaningless. Your example is a false equivalence unless your wife was the cause of the shop being empty, &c.

Then,
>He talks about how he believes he cannot die, about how he's the main character of the universe and anyone watching the video is just a future iteration of himself. He believes that he'll "jump ship" to a new body when he dies.
So either, A) it's not reasonable to take what a (depressive, psychotic) person says in a video and extrapolate that to the cause of their death and so this argument isn't coherent. Or, B) we can and you really want to argue about whether or not the set of beliefs that a psychotic man holds makes him (in his own opinion) justified. Also, you said "if he also believed that the purpose of life is to reproduce then this would give him a clear justification for ending his life", this is not true if, as you also say, "he believes that he'll jump ship to a new body when he dies". If the purpose of life is to reproduce, and he isn't escaping life, then that doesn't solve the problem.

>>12166990
>If my wife was supposed to get some potatoes but the shop is empty, I might say that "[the fact that the shop is out of potatoes] is annoying", but I'm not saying SHE'S annoying.
Your wife lied, she didn't get potatoes because she already had you at home.

>>12166534
Here's his blog:
https://vitrifyher.com/

>>12166541
he is 23, was 22

>>12167077
Yet he thought his consciousness could "transform" by dying, which seems inconsistent with eternalism.

>>12164828
>died from drowning
RIP. Doesn’t this mean that his bones got snapped when he fell and then he finally died of drowning a minute or two later?

>>12167260
I swear I saw him responding to a person on that blog saying he was just baiting people, makes me sad to know it wasn’t a LARP

>>12164798
>dead
can't have been that smart if he's dead.

>>12169073
Drowning is one of the most painful suicide methods there is.

>>12169084
Post a link or screenshot

>>12164905
>>12165389
>Concepts can't be defined with absolute perfect precision, therefore concepts can't be defined at all

>>12164823
how is death an illusion

>>12169895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g

>>12169092
This post is the ultimate lifecuck cope

>>12170540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztZhxdGWSxI

>>12164846
>>12164867
https://vitrifyher.com/2019/03/20/the-view-so-far/

>Most of those dreams are unrealistic so I plan on going to Mexico to buy some Pentobarbital which is used for euthanizing animals and can be bought off the counter. Suicide is currently my best option since it is the best transformative agent for the contents of consciousness that I can think of. I still feel that rationally considered, the boredom, malaise, anxiety, shame, pain, absurdity, loathing etc. is not worth the scant rewards in my human life. There is a vast ocean of radically different mind configurations of which my locus forms but a meaningless fraction of a dust speck. The idea that out of all possible modes of being across eternal probability space, I would be this human is frankly repugnant.

How has he drowned himself? The technique.

>>12164846
>>12164867
https://vitrifyher.com/2019/03/20/the-view-so-far/

>Most of those dreams are unrealistic so I plan on going to Mexico to buy some Pentobarbital which is used for euthanizing animals and can be bought off the counter. Suicide is currently my best option since it is the best transformative agent for the contents of consciousness that I can think of. I still feel that rationally considered, the boredom, malaise, anxiety, shame, pain, absurdity, loathing etc. is not worth the scant rewards in my human life. There is a vast ocean of radically different mind configurations of which my locus forms but a meaningless fraction of a dust speck. The idea that out of all possible modes of being across eternal probability space, I would be *this* human is frankly repugnant.

>>12170566
>jump into Lake Michigan
>breathe in the water
>wait a few minutes
>die

>>12170581
Wow, you probably have to be totally dead inside to be able to do this.

>>12169472
https://vitrifyher.com/2019/03/17/fiction-and-non-fiction/

This is one of his posts when he was more lucid but I couldn’t find the exact comment where he said he was baiting. There’s a slight chance he made a post calling everything fiction at one point to try to rationalize it and then deleted it later, or more likely I’m just misremembering things and the link above is as lucid as killsing Asuka ever got

>>12169472
>>12170589
“Some of it is psychotic delusion, some parts are intentional fiction, and other parts remain with a permeating allure of perfect honesty – which is what it all aspired to be.“

>>12170594
>>12170589
Oh wait, actually I did find the thread in question. It’s this:
https://vitrifyher.com/2018/09/27/the-schizoid-aspie-who-discovered-the-secrets-of-the-multiverse-with-the-internet/#comments

Which he posted as “fiction” despite it being about as insane as anything he ever posted unironically. In the comments he says “This is fiction. I am not actually the narrator. But it’s really cool/disconcerting that you couldn’t tell. I also don’t know what my /lit/ thread is. I don’t recall any conversation in which someone changed their mind yesterday.

Your time here was not in vain however, as some people probably needed that advice.”

I guess I read that comment and thought that everything on his blog and YouTube was fiction

>>12170587
He tried to drown in the lake multiple times before, but he couldn't bring himself to do it. He tried to drown himself 3 years before he finally killed himself, but he got extremely drunk beforehand, and passed out from alcohol poisoning before he got a chance to drown himself.

>>12169469
>shotgun to head : 1.7 minutes

explain

>>12164807
Montano was literally this meme

>>12165799
>he got memes by LessWrong and that turned him into a pompous cunt
Meanwhile Yudkowsky has a physique like pic related

>>12173286
heart beats till blood pressure is too low

>>12164868
>godless heathen
Cringe and Schizopilled

>>12164868
>>12174243
>godless
Montano was a deist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYbA1pt8LA

>>12169469
JESUS CHRIST, there's no way my future death won't be painless?

>>12174962
>recursively self-improving AI
Here's one that doesn't match your graph

while(true)
if(IQ<IQ+1)
IQ+=1

2 mins in the video and i feel like fucking death, jesus this guy's so borning

>>12164798
So anon, you got his name.

>>12175047
Adderall is your friend

Never heard of this guy before. I've been watching his videos all day since seeing this thread yesterday.

How much of what he says do you guys think is actually insightful, versus being delusional? I know that's probably a stupid question for various reasons, but much of what he says is making an uncomfortable amount of sense to me, and I'm worried I may be in the process of losing my mind.

>>12165004
I didn't kill myself. Calm down.

I'm just another iteration now until 21~ +-7 billion years.

>>12176948
It makes a lot of sense until you hear him speak about a topic you understand well that he was completely wrong about. For me this was his video on strong efficient market hypothesis. He put a bunch of money into bullshit penny stocks that were clearly on a downtrend for years, lost it, and then claimed that it was impossible for anyone to predict what a stock would do because all of the available information is priced in.

Montaño was a lucid schizophrenic who was able to take thought experiments about quantum immortality and run with it. The subject matter is so dense and subjective that unless you spent a lot of time studying it seems reasonable, however it's ultimately just one of many ways to interpret quantum mechanics.

>>12167099
We haven't solved the problem, and we're all him.

Unless you're not us, in which case, maybe we solved the problem.

>>12176948
it seems like a lot of his QM understanding came from LessWrong which is unfortunate. MW/QI/SimulationTheory is about as coherent as a rick and morty episode

>>12175003
It will, this chart is mostly bullshit.

Please consider - How do they know the amount of agony that a person who shoots their self in the head with a shotgun (and died) feels? <- There is no way to measure that. Thus, that data is inherently inferred or made up. Not science.

>>12177101
Redpill me on what LessWrong gets wrong about QM

>>12176948
There are some things he says that don't seem internally consistent. Consider this post for instance:

https://vitrifyher.com/2019/03/20/the-view-so-far/

>Suffering is eternal and no local paradise engineering can change that.
>Suicide is currently my best option since it is the best transformative agent for the contents of consciousness that I can think of.

These statements seem to directly contradict each other. Statement 1 seems to imply that consciousness can't "transform". Period. If it's possible to transform the contents of consciousness by committing suicide, you have to concede that the block universe interpretation of time is at least partially wrong.

>>12177216
this would be easier to approach if you explained what you "got" from his QM series. MW/QI are fringe, wishful and mystical theories where the one doesn't follow from the other. you can't call it "wrong" just like you can't call Roko's Basilisk "wrong", which implies the magical hypothesis that roughly identical versions of you ARE you. no further explanation required. yup. this is DEFINITELY falsifiable. his "Rationality and Science" series is just banal and boring pandering. so all we are left with here is the "Basic Quantum Mechanics" lectures. let's ignore the absolutely amazing MS paint drawings to explain wave functions while claiming "[i'm a genius] and don't have time for better drawings. wait, what? you guys are totally OVERESTIMATING how much i was going to explain QM here... go read a textbook if you want to really understand anything." what did you learn from them? what do you feel like you understand now, that you didn't understand before? for example, his Heisenberg Uncertainty lecture: using only statements he made from his lecture, can you explain to me why trying to accurately measure position leads you to an inaccurate measurement of momentum? it's not difficult to explain. i can do it in a single sentence, or a paragraph to explain how my intuitive explanation is encoded in the fourier transform, or two paragraphs to explain how position is encoded in the idea of the wave function, and what "fourier transform" of the wave function implies. i guess if you're a total retard and thought beforehand that the principle means "woaa we control shit with our minds bro" then this would be a revelation to you (an arcane confusing revelation using made-up jargon)

no wonder his lecture series hemorrhages upvotes as the lectures go on until he starts spouting rick and morty MW conjecture

>>12164798
watch his videos on signalling theory, he had no idea what he was on about, common thing in schizos is learning the basics of something then believing they have high level understanding by 'figuring it out', it's a shame his potential got fucked by mental illness

>>12164828
KWAB

>>12177371
>which implies the magical hypothesis that roughly identical versions of you ARE you

a bit like the "magical" hypothesis that the guy you think you were yesterday - a guy only roughly identical to the current you - was you?

>>12177513
Or the "magical" hypothesis that I am THIS human, as opposed to someone else.

>>12169469
>explosives
>1.6 minutes
the fuck

>kill yourself because of r/atheism tier autism
Honestly kinda sad

>>12173286
>>12178126
There's still a >0% chance that you won't die instantly, like if you are one of those retards who blows their face off instead of getting a direct hit on the brain with a shotgun, so the list might be taking that into account. If you get a direct hit on your brain, death should be basically instant.

>>12177109
Step 1 - take monke
Step 2 - shoot it in the head
Step 3 - note how it screams and for how long

Rinses and repeat while changing step 2.

>>12178155
So jihadists who blow themselves up with explosives don't die instantly because...their soul sticks around before going to Valhalla or some shit?

>>12178156
The point is it won't scream because it's brain just got blown into thousands of bits

>>12178161
Unless the bomb is strapped to their heads and blows up their brain, it still might take some time to fully lose consciousness. Antoine Lavoisier got decapitated during the French Revolution, but he still managed to blink for about 30 seconds afterwards. The same might be true for terrorists who strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up.

>>12169469
Hit by train looks good

>>12178181
It doesn't have to be right next to their brain imbecile. You underestimate how powerful some explosives can be. Even a handheld grenade used in the military could rip the legs off your abdomen and the fragments will pierce your skull. Tell me you can stand right next to an atomic bomb going off and it will take 1.6 minutes for you to die motherfucker!

>>12177513
>>12178107
>Or the "magical" hypothesis that I am THIS human, as opposed to someone else.
Yes, "you" aren't someone else. That's my point. What would be ""magical"" is thinking that you are. You aren't making the point that you think you're making here.

>a bit like the "magical" hypothesis that the guy you think you were yesterday - a guy only only roughly identical to the current you - was you?
Woaaah, high iq thread right here, yes, there is absolutely NO difference between two totally discrete entities across spacetime sharing an existence, and being able to experientially teleport around, and a discrete organism growing and dying. No difference bro. Very big brain observations here

>>12178150
All smart and unprivileged people have those thoughts. The only people who enjoy life are ignorant to reality or protected from suffering in some way.

>>12178204
>Woaaah, high iq thread right here, yes, there is absolutely NO difference between two totally discrete entities across spacetime sharing an existence, and being able to experientially teleport around, and a discrete organism growing and dying. No difference bro. Very big brain observations here
What makes you think those differences matter? All that is required to explain why you feel like you are the same person you were yesterday is for you to remember having been that person. Any kind of "further fact" that dries to differentiate whether you ACTUALLY are the same person is postulating something extra and unnecessary. And we wouldn't even say you need to remember *everything* your past self remembers. From outsiders perspective as well, a clone of you that acts like you did and remembers pretty much everything you used to is just as much a continuation of you as you are in general with the passage of time.

>>12178181
Yeah but Antoine probably wasn't in pain or agony.

How the fuck does your brain even process that your whole body was just cut off?

There's no way your pain receptors are even capable of scaling that pain up.

It probably felt like a pinch and a slice, probably felt some pressure for a split second, but then after that, I bet the nerves just went silent right after a Planck second of pressure.

>>12178276
>unprivileged
Other way around, for almost the entirety of human history it was only the wealthy who could "afford" to have thoughts like that because they had much better education, plenty of freetime to read and ponder, and were free from the pain of being a working class peasant.

>>12178317
Yeah but the pain receptors in your neck would still be intact, which would still probably be ridiculously painful.

>>12164798
I don't remember him, when was he posting?

>>12169469
>hanging 7 minutes
Are they considering hanging to literally be death by suffocation?

>>12165749
2 cups cottage cheese sounds straight nasty foo

>>12178185
That's how Terry died

>>12179442
Not all hanging suicides use long drop hanging m8