/sci/ - Science & Math

I don't like those panels that are at an odd angle.

Russian military space station when?

>>12144142
When China tells them to build one.

>>12144130
Here's an hour-long panel on the ALPACA/Dynetics HLS if anyone's interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT0pUFApov8

The beginning is kinda cringey, but there's some good discussion about the overall implications of commercialized lunar exploration.

https://youtu.be/7u8j00TY6rw

Post favorite Salyut. Mine is Salyut 6, complex, and started interkosmos. Which has cool patches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interkosmos

>>12144148
Cool!

HHNHGNGHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHGNGHGNNNNNNNHHHAAAHHHHHHHG HGGGGGGGGGGGGGGNNHHGHG

>>12144142
Like 40 years ago.

>>12144141
I fucking love it, such a break from the clinical precision of everything else in space.

>>12144158
You can go thiccer

>>12144158
UGH THICQUERR

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMrQCvH6ykN590j3giSzjDQ

Great channel for soviet enthusiasts

daily reminder that VCs are fucking dumb and there are too many small penis lauchers and WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CIS LUNAR ECONOMY.

>>12144163
>>12144165
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNGGHNGHNGHNNHGNNGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

>>12144170
What kind of economy are you going to have in cislunar space.

EXPENDABLE
HYDROLOX
STARSHIPS

>>12144171
I'D LIKE A LARGE ORDER

NUCLEAR TORCH SRB POWERED SSTO SPACEPLANES FROM DOMESTIC AIRPORTS

>>12144171
Á̶̡̡̧̡̢̧̨̧̨̛̛͚͓̜̹͍͕̬̥͓͚̝̹̩̦͔̫̝̞͇͍͓̣̙͓̤̰͍͕͈̮͉͈̖̮̹̣̺͍͎̬̮̬̩͓̬͍͖͎̟̥͍̮̯̳͙̱̝͇͓̪̗̞̗̝̪̗̼̱͉͈̙̜̘͔̟̘̻͈̺̬͍̱̖̘̞̦̦͎͍̪̭̱̤̮̤̫͙̞͎̯͓͚̻̩͕͍̉͌̋̉̀̈́̒̇̀̇͋͗͑̈́̈́̐͛͋͑̉̑͑̓̍̂͊́̋͂͋͑̂̇̍̈́̒̓̀̃͊̏̎̏̓́̊̈̀̆̀̀͑́̎̿̈́̒́͛͆̈́̓̍̈́̎̇̑̑̔̊͗̎̓̓̎͑͋̓̿͆̀̈́͐̾̊̈́̈͂̉̀͛͗͐̈́̈́̽̊͗̔̄̎̎̆͒̉͑͋͛̃̓̒͑̃̿͛̔̄̉̑̋̉̍̄̎̎̑̈̈́̉̊̆̊͋͐͐̈́̇̇̀̈́̿̓́̈́̇̇̍͒̋̾̓̄͂̈́̑̓̿̆͛͐͂͑̓̐͊͌̄̃͊̎͋̃͊̆͒̋͐̉̉̽̏̿̒͑̊̒̉̽̏̄͐̉͂̎̔͆́̃͑̓̽͘̚̕̚̕͘̕͘̚̕̕̕͜͜͜͝͠͝͝͠͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝͝ͅͅͅ>>12144178

Nuclear air breathing jet probes for Venus

>>12144180
NIGGER DISPOSING SLAVE SHIP TO MARS

>>12144184
>reaches the top of the atmosphere in height
>the entirety of Kazakhstan in girth
>uncountable engines
>venusian wet laboratory colony ship
>russia's honor is restored
I HEARD THERE'S A HOLY YELLOW SKY
JUST MAKE SURE YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES

CONSUMABLE CASING FISSION SOLID ROCKET BOOSTERS

>>12144193
>The launch throws earth into mars.
>Direct ascent into the core of Venus

RP-1,LOX,HYDROGEN TRIPLE PROPELLANT SSTOS

REACTIONLESS SSTOS WITH FULLY REUSABLE CREWS

you can choose only one

REUSABLE CHINESE HYPERGOLIC SSTO RAMJET STARSHIPS

>>12144213
10!

>>12144193
>fires engines
>makes the lava planes of siberia look like a matchbox
>shit's heard all the way in Brazil
>one engine fails
>all 138,790 engines shutdown in unison
>all of Kazakstan rumbles as the rocket classified as a minor planet hits he ground
>the planet shakes as the thunderclap blastwave flings around the earth
>all of mankind perishes in the blast
>except the two men inside the N1000 capsule, carried to safety by the launch escape system

What is your favorite interplanetary mission? For me, its cassini/huygens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassini%E2%80%93Huygens
pic related is the actual light on the surface of titan apparently

>>12144213
3

>>12144221
New Horizons hands down. Pluto went from a grey ball to pink (dwarf) planet with a cool as fuck surface.

LIQUID COOLED SERVER FARMS ON TITAN WHEN

>>12144221
New Horizons visited my two favorite planets, Pluto and Ultima Thule

>>12144213
7 appeard to have an SRB firing directly over the casing of another SRB

I choose 7

>>12144213
9

>>12144229
This is a solid only thread.

grey knights fortress-monastery on titan WHEN?

>>12144158
FRENCH SPACE GUY N1 DOCUMENTARY COMPLETE WITH UNEARTH NEVER BEFORE SEEN ARCHIVAL FOOTAGE WHEN??

>>12144221
The whole Venera program, because the Russians just threw probes into hell and iterated which is always commendable. And now Russia claims the planet is theirs. I desperately hope SpaceX (or RocketLab kek) humiliates Russia so badly that they decide they want a cloud station to prove VENUS IS RUSSIA PLANET

god imagine the fucking overclocks you can do just running liquid methane through your cooling system on titan
imagine the fucking COOOOOLLLLLIIINNNNNGGG

>>12144174
a cislunar one you absolute knobhead can you read??

>>12144248
>HobbitLab sends a tiny balloon probe to Venus that relays HD video up to Photon in orbit and then back to Earth
>Slavic sobbing audible from Mars

>>12144251
I'm.. I'm going to COOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLL

Didn't russia announce they'll develop their own reusable rocket? I hope they do. Monopoly is a bad thing and God knows neither other american companies nor china will make a worthy competitor

i wonder if Rocket Lab has any chance to survive with starship if they're able to get super high launch cadence ever

>>12144258
FULLY REUSABLE ORIGINAL DESIGN STARSHIP WITH EXPENDABLE SOLID CREW

>>12144258
if they get angara flying sometime this century i'm sure they'll get right to work on it

>>12144193
SHARP AS ICE IN THE NIGHT
CUTTING SPACE, SATELLITE
TO A SPHERE SET ALIGHT
WE ESCAPED PARASITES

Mom: we have reusable rockets at home

reusable rockets at home:

expendable space programs are necessary to create more american jobs

me on the right

AUTOGENOUSLY PRESSURIZED CORTISONE CREAM THRUSTER

>>12144270
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbtulv0mnlU
just give it a quick rinse and cast the propellant agian and you're ready to go man

>>12144272
Nice red jacket, anon.

Any decade now bros!

Just watched Last Days on Mars. It was about as good as you'd expect a movie that opens with a mirage on Mars to be.

Are The Martian and Total Recall the only good movies set on Mars? Any that I'm not thinking of?

>German Scientist Says American Cooking Tasteless; Dislikes Rubberized Chicken

>>12144259
fuck small launchers, cis lunar fuel depots and lunar mining enabled by star ship mother fuckers.

>>12144282
Doom

>>12144282
cowboy bebop the movie

>>12144273
AEROZINE-50
APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE SERVICE MODULE

New Chinese eva suit.

since venus is space siberia, how do we colonize it?

>>12144282
The Expanse's depiction of Mars is very neat
>exploring the societal dysfunction when a Martian society built around a military and a terraforming project is faced with the sudden opening of a thousand planets, all of them with nitrogen oxygen atmospheres and around 1g

>>12144308
Russian conscript labor.

>>12144308
V E N U S I A N
R E I N D E E R

>During his stay at Fort Bliss, von Braun proposed marriage to Maria Luise von Quistorp (born June 10, 1928), his maternal first cousin, in a letter to his father. He married her in a Lutheran church in Landshut, Germany on March 1, 1947, having received permission to go back to Germany and return with his bride.
BASED

>>12144309
The obvious parallel to modern immigration is neat.
>lol screw trying to improve this shithole I'm gonna live in the US

>>12144142
They don't have the cash

why the FUCK haven't we put an M61 into space yet bros
we've put them everywhere else already, are we just gonna let slavs have all the fun?

>>12144315
>wincest
absolute chad

>>12144272
>>12144315
>tfw no von braun cousin wife

>>12144259
That's why they're moving to "end to end managed satellite services" rather than strictly launch. They see the bus coming but won't be able to compete.

>>12144351
how many photons can you fit in starship

>>12144354
You don't need a rocket to put photons in space.

>>12144158
MID-AIR
BALLOON-SUSPENDED
REFUELLING DEPOTS

I wonder if the price of starship by say 2025 will be right to justify an incredibly cadence. You could also use the price to basically strong arm all allies for cheap acess to space and space infastructure.

Why not fund a large space base right now and basically dominate. Or maybe that kind of asset is too much. The size or volume of hardware cna gurantee space dominance.

>>12144369
if starship is up and running as advertised they'll have to cancel sls and then the funding will really open up

>"A key advantage Chinese authors see in SpaceX is the company’s capability for in-house manufacturing — unlike the traditional space industry model of outsourcing the engines, electronic components, navigation systems and ground support equipment, says the study. Chinese analysts argue that although SpaceX’s in-house approach appears to run counter to the modern trend of company specialization, it is in fact critical for keeping costs down."
https://spacenews.com/new-study-looks-at-space-power-competition-through-chinas-lens/

>>12144311
HO HO HO

>>12144354
They're less than 200kg each so you'd be volume limited rather than mass limited.

>>12144335
You could mount one or a couple in point defense mounts on Starship. Then add 32 cells of off the shelf VLS equipment and a big laser.

>>12144369
STARSHIP-LAUNCHED ROTATING GEOSTATIONARY SATELLITE REPAIR AND SERVICING HANGAR

>>12144385
>We must strafe the surface of mars to prepare a landing zone.

>>12144382
Vertically integrated keeps costs down because you aren't paying for someone else's profits.

>>12144379
nah, they'll never cancel it and use the "dissimilar redundancy" argument to keep it online until ULA or BO make a super heavy lift

You know the craziest part about the Starship program? The fact they're going factory first. Which means by the time they've got to the first Starship Block 1 production models, they'll be producing a Starship per month or per week. Launch capacity is going to explode.

>>12144394
China contracts Spacex to build a 50-man moonbase for $100 million while we're still waiting for Artemis 3 to launch

>>12144397
the problem is that for starship launch cadence to grow there needs to be a buyer beyond starlink

LOW
POLAR
ORBIT
INFLATABLE
DOLPHIN
BROTHELS

>>12144397
and it makes sense to go factory first, because it allows them to rapidly iterate and improve the design.

>>12144399
This.

>>12144400
This is so funny man! Are you the one doing all the caps posting?

We've talked about the flag of Mars before but what will the national (or planetary) anthem be?

>>12144399
SpaceX is their own primary customer. They want to build Mars colonies.

>>12144405
>FUCK URF
>FUCK BOING
>FUCK BEZOS
>PRAISE MUSK
>MARS UBER ALLES

>>12144406
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKWbpSNkmk

>Jim B is going to get replaced regardless of who wins November
Hold me /sfg/

>>12144399
Governments will be shitting themselves to stop a private company from owning the only space colonies in existence.

>>12144412
Trump wouldn't replace him, don't be silly.

>>12144405
>>12144408

Elon can bank roll this in some respects assuming Tesla doesn't go belly up. But the thing is basically needs another space race to start.

Maybe that takes the chinese ambitions growing bolder? Maybe they mend ties with the russian to isolate the chinese further.

I think Elon's best bet, is some kind of ISS 3.0 a multi nation agreement for a space station to replace the aging soon to be decomissed ISS. SpaceX pockets the money and maintains it's fleet.

You guys also need to remember SpaceX can only really do launches every 2 years to mars. So there needs to be enough volume else where to absorb hardware costs

If NASA wants to waste money why don't they just smash rockets into Mars and say they're doing seismic experiments or something?

>>12144418
if somebody writes 'nigger' on the moon then by the end of the year nasa will have a $1 trillion budget and a mandate to go erase it

>>12144416
It seems like there's somebody that is now high up in the Trump team that dislikes Jim B.

>>12144426
How much does a RocketLab lunar mission cost?

>>12144430
not everyone on trump's team is of the same mind and they don't always get what they want either. you may well have better info than me but my read on the situation is that trump sees bridenstine as a guy who's getting him results without causing trouble and it's going to be very hard to persuade him otherwise at this point.

>>12144426
fuck off it's a serious problem, ULA projects mega constellations, but with BO, and ULA still eating contracts, SpaceX might drop dead off the back of this. I doubt they want to mass manufacture tens of starship at a series cost, and maintain all the equipment. An offshore platform, logistics are immense by themselves.

The whole Point to Point travel is literally something no one asked for. SpaceX came up with to pretend they have something for this vehicle to do

>>12144149

Salyut 6 was the breakthrough, and established precedents which carried through to Mir and ISS.

There have only ever been four "truly complex" spess stetions in terms of human operations, being Salyut 6, 7 and the aforementioned, everything else was just a testbed with short trips, if not a deathtrap.

>>12144430

Is Mark Kelly winning the Senate race in Arizona good for spaceflight?

>The probe was slowed from its arrival speed of about 47 kilometers per second to subsonic speed in less than two minutes. The rapid flight through the atmosphere heated the heat shield to around 15,500 °C (28,000 °F).
>the probe entered at Mach 50 and had to withstand a peak deceleration of 228 g
>The probe's 152 kg heat shield, making up almost half of the probe's total mass, lost 80 kg during the entry.
holy shit, the galileo atmospheric probe was insane

>>12144448
>Is Mark Kelly winning the Senate race in Arizona good for spaceflight?
The track record for the quality of astronauts as senators and administrators says "hell no."

>>12144418
>>12144439
The whole ssto/NASP craze in the 80s/90s was set off because they needed something with an insane launch cadence to put brilliant pebbles into orbit, but that got cancelled because it was too expensive and there was no perceived strategic nuclear threat after 1991.

If starship could cheaply do starlink-style pebbles launches then maybe congress would think it's time to dust off the old SDI plans.

>>12144436
The rumors point to ex-NASA CFO DeWitt. He didn't get along well with Bridenstine and might have been the reason he left just a couple of years into the job. He's now on the Trump re-election campaign and you might be right he might not get what he wants, but politics is never clear cut. Especially this sort of backroom happenings.

>>12144430
Big Jim is trying his best to keep the Artemis timeline on track even if he knows a manned landing in 2024 is unlikely. Trump knows better than to introduce a leadership shakeup now, because it could only reduce the chances of Artemis hitting a big milestone before he's out of the White House.

>>12144448
I would maybe vote for more money for education and the light rail but not for governor.

>>12144446
>>12144430
>>12144416
His name is Jeff DeWit and he WILL replace Bridenstine. I wish it weren't true

>>12144412
Imagine if Elon replaced him and fired everyone at NASA and replaced them with his oen people. Imagine what he could do with NASA's budget.

>>12144457
would nuke-pumped anti-ICBM x-ray lasers be workable now?

>>12144436
>not everyone on trump's team is of the same mind
lol yes they are. Trump only employs yes men.

>>12144439
Starlink isn't just there to provide missions for Starship, it's there to provide a cash flow of billions in profit to keep Spacex running regardless of the available launch market. With that cushion, Starship can wait until there's a market that needs it.
I could even see Elon seeding the space industry with billions in venture capital to create his own customer base, after Tesla owns transport and energy and makes him the richest human alive.

>>12144448
We'll take anything but McSally. Dem senators in this state are center right anyway, Mark will be good for space. Maybe not much else though

>>12144478
NASA doesn't really get to choose how it spends its budget

>>12144460
Unless Trump only pays lipservice to it and Pence is the real one running the space policy stuff (seems likely). It's very hard to pin down exactly what Pence intends for all this

>>12144483
He's been on record multiple times saying he brings in people he know will disagree with him, so that he has every opinion available. Why do you think there has been multiple firings at the White House?

>>12144495
poor hiring practices lol

>>12144478
Elon would turn it down, the NASA position would only handcuff him

>>12144483
>>12144496
What a poorly-informed opinion.

>>12144481
I wish I had the clearance to know...

>>12144481
Free electron lasers.

nuke pumped gamma ray lasers when?

soon

Can this really happen?
https://youtu.be/b6GG8KHDjZk

Will this happen???

>>12144530

>>12144530
BROWNED

Boeing? More like boring

>>12144534
Like I'm gonna let some stupid slab boss me around.

>>12144530
I knew someone who worked on Europa Clipper as an intern a few years ago. I don’t have inside knowledge of other probe programs to compare it to, but I’m not optimistic about its progress. As far as I’m aware, they’re still pretty pissed about getting forced by congress to fly on the SLS, and are unofficially assuming that the launcher won’t be ready in time for the 2024 window.

>>12144291

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUE2v9mNgIQ
You ALL thought he was a scam artist, but ARCA IS REAL NOW

Aerospike first HOP BABY

Haters gonna hater

>>12144560
isn't this dumb shit using water?

>>12144560
LMFAO it's spewing water out of a tank at less than 2 bar

And he introduces all his fellow scammers and his gf, they all seem like very smart engineers

>>12144560
What would mankind be without visionaries like him

Had a dream about Starship's heat tiles appearing on my fridge and falling off when I closed the door.

I hope they don't get stuck on that piece of SS. I'm kind of nervous.

>>12144556
didn't the latest spending bill add in the qualification that SLS was only mandatory if it was available?

>>12144569
>less than 2 bar

sounds like it'd be fun at a water park

>>12144170
>WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CIS LUNAR ECONOMY.
It's in the works. Both NASA and the DoD are funding a bunch of different projects to help spur a Lunar economy. Projects like satellite navigation for the Moon, Lunar landers, buying Moon dust, space situational awareness for cislunar space, etc. The biggest problem is that companies don't see the Moon as being profitable right now, so it's going to be slow going for awhile.

>>12144575
romanian rocket garden

pendulum rocket aerospike waterslides when?

>>12144581
is this why there's an EU flag? they don't have EU funding do they?

posting on 4chan from mars when bros?

>>12144594
Lightlag too high.
Return to email chains.

>>12144574
Hopefully, especially now that it’s looking like every SLS built is gonna be needed for Artemis. Back in 2017, though, there was a great deal of uncertainty about what trajectory the probe would fly (it’d take twice the time on a smaller rocket than SLS), which led to a lot of work staying in the hypothetical realm for longer than it should. Think flow charts instead of real code for certain processes while they waited for the actual mission plan to be finalized.

>>12144594
never because the 10 minute lag means it's impossible to click on the traffic lights fast enough

>>12144578
If only it was cheap enough for boatloads of literal nutcases to take a shot and risk it all. Some of them by chance would make a profit and prove business models

>>12144598
>>12144600
>download the whole 4chan
>replace posters with bots
>chat with bots

>>12144594
2018. What do you think Opportunity’s been doing since she stopped talking to JPL?

>>12144569
it's literally an electric steam kettle rocket, anon

so who's gonna make marschan?

Reminder that Biden hates spaceflight

>Biden doesn’t have a deep space record, but he was the “stimulus czar” as vice president, which directed significant funding to NASA—is that a strategy we might see again?
>One of their big proposals is for $300 billion in new R&D spending in the country, and it’s actually maybe telling that they list as recipients for that money literally every science agency except for NASA. Which I hope is an oversight, but a surprising one nonetheless.
>NASA is not just doing human spaceflight, it’s one of the biggest resources for scientists doing astronomy, planetary science, astrobiology, earth science. It was a surprising lack of mention of NASA in that context. That in itself may be telling of how the campaign sees NASA compared to the National Science Foundation, the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy and the Department of Energy.

>One of the things that the Trump administration has demonstrated has been its whole-of-government approach to space. Space Force is a really big development in this, by elevating space as a so-called warfighting domain for national defense, and creating its own branch of the armed services to focus on that.
>The National Space Council has been working with space policy, commercialization, regulatory, spectrum and bandwidth, space traffic management, and cybersecurity—major space policy directives. A good question is if you will see a similar level of priority under Biden… under Obama, they talked about establishing a space council and ultimately decided against it.
https://qz.com/1904398/what-joe-biden-could-mean-for-nasa-and-the-us-space-force/

We want to get off this rock. Biden may stop us from doing so.

>>12144578
He3 mining.

Giant combine tractor like robots. That scrape the surface of tge first meter or two of rhegolith. Process out the helium, and then dump the dust put the back.

>>12144613
what is his endgame??

>>12144629
grifter king of the belt

>>12144556
Would Falcon heavy get it there?

>>12144652
maybe with a huge kickstage.

>>12144652
>>12144656
the speculation i've seen is that they're gonna do it with a star-48 and a couple of venus flybys

>>12144628
Gerty when?

>>12144652
2 FHeavy launches.

1 for the probe, one extra large second stsfe with just extra propellant and a mating device.

Launch probe. Launch kick stage. Mate up in orbit. Then burn to Europa injection.

>>12144659
Gay. We need liquid fueled kickstages. Maybe a Vacuum Raptor?

REUSABLE
HYDROLOX
KICKSTAGES

>>12144652
Yeah, it’s just a 6 year trajectory instead of 3. Back then, they were waiting on a decision of launch vehicle so they could actually go and code things like communications protocols without doubling their effort. I have to assume they’ve made progress since then, despite the continued uncertainty.

>>12144683
ULA really shouldn't have cancelled ACES.

>>12144686
fucking SLS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TjmvMywTN4
bros....soon....

>>12144701
ksp2 falling even further behind ksp1

>>12144219
One can only dream...

>>12144687
was ACES cancellation a political thing? like how shelby was telling nasa they'd lose funding if he caught a whiff of them studying propellant depots because those would have threatened the rationale for SLS?

>>12144701
Wow, that looks pretty impressive.

Martian art deco trading hubs soon? This is the only design philosophy with true soul

>>12144701
this looks like space engine

>tfw you optimize an extra 2.5 tons of payload capacity into standard 10 ton lift rocket without increasing size or significant tech upgrades
v1.1 full block 5 thrust here we come bros

>>12144701
the most impressive thing is that this is the guy making the beyond home mod as well

>>12144682
>raptor
>kick stage

>>12144749
now it just has to land

>>12144749
What engines let you do that?

>>12144749
>0.41 TWR
oof

>>12144717
I suspect it was. Vulcan isn't half as useful without it.

>>12144613
shouldn't a proper steam rocket be using dry superheated steam at some ridiculous pressure (USS Iowa's boilers would happily output 500PSI) instead of what looks like a bunch of water vapor at low speed?

>>12144768
yes, that would be better
but this is lighter and also worse and basically a scam

>>12144768
are you trying to make sense of the gypsy griftmeister's galavanting?

>>12144758
>>12144754
I'm using procedural engines, the booster has 4 1300kN NK-15 family engines and the upper stage uses 4 60kN RD-58 derived engines because all the other options I have unlocked don't have enough ignitions for me, with these I get 5 ignitions per engine and after orbital insertion I can ignite them in pairs for a total of up to 8 vacuum burns if I don't get any failures so that the upper stage can function as a nice orbital tug with just the addition of a docking port
I have KRX landing legs and FMRS/stagerecovery installed, but I need to get first stage engines that can do multiple ignitions first to start making it reusable

>>12144759
>giving your upper stages more than 0.5TWR
for what purpose....

>>12144782
on the topic of KSP, i have been trying to use mechjeb in my ascents, i am always reentering the atmosphere, any tips?

>>12144277
Well at least recovering the hardware lead to them catching the O-ring issue early...

>>12144382
They‘ll vertically integrate fuel production next. Although I‘m not sure they‘ll save money doing it. At least they‘ll be independent from the global oil shit show for the most part.

>>12144785
higher thrust upper stage or aim for a higher orbit

>>12144785
increase booster pitch start or decrease booster pitch rate if you're using primer vector guidance
https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki/TroubleshootingMechJebPVG has some guides for optimizing your ascent

>>12144797
Making their own methane helps prove concept for mars, and allows them to green wash launches with carbon neutral ish ness

>>12144799
Thanks!!

>>12144560
Outdoor shower on steroids

>>12144797
Fracking means that was never a problem in the first place. We have SO MUCH cheap domestic LCH4 already.

China had a launch an hour ago https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1307926631755984897

payload was a remote sensing satellite

How hard is it to make hypergolic propellants without hydrofluoric acid? China is about to experience a massive shortage.

from NSF

>>12144839
imagine the smell

>>12144839

>>12144842

>>12144844

>>12144849

>>12144844
My gods! It's 1970s NASA. Quick someone stop them before they learn big orange foam tank technology.

>>12144854

>>12144855
They don't have the materials science for either orange tanks or methalox.

>>12144844
>chinks falling for the shuttle meme
BRUH

>>12144130
I love how cruddy Mir looked
I miss it

>>12144839
that's an image of the National Team lander, isn't it

>>12144870
No, it's worse somehow.

>>12144870
I think this might be coincidental since they've been working on it for 4-5 years now.

>>12144854
>high reliability
>advanced characteristics
>on par with world's best
Doubt

>based on existing engines, tanks
OH NO NO NO

What does human rated mean anyway? If I jump on top a delta iv heavy and rode it to space would i die?

>>12144886
They managed to fall for the SLS meme without inventing an RS-25 equivalent. Impressive.

>>12144849
>falcon heavy copy
>dragon 2 copy
>gateway copy
>moon rover copy
at least fucking try

>>12144895
It means the gooberment has certified that you probably won't die on this rocket... But the Shuttle got human rated and two out of six orbiters came apart with total loss of crew so take that with a grain of salt.

>>12144895
yes but that's because the DoD would shoot you to death
if you had a spacesuit you'd be alright
I think you might, just barely, be able to squeeze a man, his spacesuit, and a barebones MOOSE onto a Rocket Lab Electron rocket

>>12144896
guys....maybe SLS functioned as accidental subterfuge for all these years, crippling the Chinese rocket development by their addiction to copying

>>12144909
Electron feels constipated

>>12144909
>I think you might, just barely, be able to squeeze a man, his spacesuit, and a barebones MOOSE onto a Rocket Lab Electron rocket
Send a midget. Orbital dwarf tossing has to be some kind of record.

>>12144917
>smallest manned orbital launch vehicle

Regardless of the election outcome, if Big Jim is replaced, what will his last yeet be before he has to leave? Artemis-2 astronauts announcement?

>>12144453
neat

>>12144842
So pretty much a lunar rendez-vous like Apollo, except that CSM and LM are launched by 2 different launches

>>12144942
full throated endorsement of Starship and Elon's Mars program, congress be damned

>>12144942
Crashing the sls into the Capitol.

>>12144909
>barebones MOOSE
Imagine skydiving from fucking orbit...
Maybe it would be doable with minimal equipment on Titan

>>12144844
The Chinese have to follow this plan, we need this to wake up the US and invest more into NASA and the DOD to give us more cool shit and repeat the conditions of the cold war.

>>12144954
He'd never be able to work in politics again. It would be based on a scale no one thought possible. Like, Hercules-Corona Borealis level based.

Would also be lit if Jim went to work for SpaceX after his term was up

>>12144965
It's possible in KSP, why not real life?

>>12144130

>>12144969
*sip*

>>12144965
MOOSE was canceled because it was crazy, not because it wouldn't work.

>>12144886
What’ll they call their SLS? The Longer March?

>>12144978
Politburo Orbital Operations

>>12144976
"[diet mtn dew] will change your life"
-jim bridenstine, offnominal podcast 6/15/2020

>>12144978
Notice the engines? It's not SLS, it's Falcon Heavy. Their version of SLS, Long March 9, was canceled.

The CIA has put you in charge of designing the worst rocket possible that still passes the sniff test for the sole purpose of putting the Chinese on the wrong course, like the Shuttle and Buran but on purpose. What do you design?

>>12144982
>based on existing engines and tanks
Sounds pretty SLS-y to me.

>>12144985
Hydrolox combined cycle SSTO spaceplane. China’s desperate attempts to replicate Skylon would waste billions.

>>12144988
would we even succeed in making it ourselves?

>>12144989
no

>>12144989
Absolutely not. The Bongs have been working on that engine design in one form or another since the 80s, and they’re just now testing the precooler system iirc.

>>12144982
are there two Chinese Falcon Heavy ripoffs? I saw one this week that ran on kerolox, looked almost exactly like heavy. then i saw the one in the slide which has slightly diff sideboosters. is one "private" and one national?

>>12144985
Isn't SLS perfect for this?

>>12144996
no, the SLS doesn't pass the sniff test

>>12144985
does "solid fuel nuclear fission torch" pass the sniff test?
>solid fuel, embedded with chunks of a fissile material
>as the exhaust passes through the nozzle it passes a neutron reflector that briefly brings the exhaust stream to criticality

>>12144997
imagine the smell

>>12144985
my first thought would be something like SLS but then id discard it for being too much, im a cia agent not a monster, i may order the torture of children but there's limits

>>12144985
X-30 or X-33

>>12144978
>The Longer March?
this expands the march

>>12144985
autogeniously pressurized colgate dental cream...

Ok boomers, since shelby isnt running for reelection in 2022, who take the power mantle in his stead?

>take first stages from 1.5t launcher
>stretch them and put them on side of 12t launcher
>get a 22t launcher
bros wtf I thought things weren't this easy in rocketry?

ACES isn't cancelled, anons
it's just been rolled into baseline Centaur V
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1303710748389109762

>>12145014
it's not, KSP cheats
also, quit blogging and fuck off

>>12145013
Kelly

F9 with electron boosters when bros

>>12145019
Kelly doesn't have tenure

>>12145013
Destin, from Smarter Every Day. He’s the hero Huntsville needs, but not the one they deserve.

>>12145024
Isn't he a navy recruiting channel now?

>>12144999
Use two of them to replace the Shuttle boosters on the SLS for maximum meme points. Then add vacuum nozzles to the RS-25s. Direct ascent trajectory to any planet.

>>12145026
direct ascent trajectory to the jobs for Huntsville

>>12145025
kek
He’s probably the only YouTuber with an active security clearance and the industry connections to set anything like those submarine videos up, so I don’t mind too much if he’s sucking up to the navy as a part of it.

>>12145030
no shit, i had to tell myself to stop my delusions of grandeur about working in a navy sub

>>12145026
>Use two of them to replace the Shuttle boosters on the SLS for maximum meme points. Then add vacuum nozzles to the RS-25s
Using strap on boosters as your first stage and waiting to ignite your main engines until later in the flight?
Based and Titanpilled.

>>12145015
https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1306278696807006208

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLav0zMHut8
putting these on SLS when bros?

>>12145033
keep in mind the exhaust from SRB fission torch drives is probably unpleasant

>>12145044
So launch from California. With the smoke they've been having, nobody will notice.

>>12145044
fission daughters are extremely unpleasant, yes

>>12145044
Sounds like some hippy bullshit to me. A couple neutrons never hurt anyone.

>>12145034
but not reusable. tory im very disappointed in you

>>12145059
That's probably the part that got Shelby'd. A reusable hydrolox tug and ice ISRU system is a money printing machine in cislunar space... so it almost had to be external pressure.

>>12145062
WHY??? IT'S STILL BOEING MAKING MONEY

>>12145063
The bigger the rocket, the bigger the jobs.

>>12144985
an orange rocket built using parts from a 1970s deathtrap

Scientifically speaking, what is the DC-3 of space?

>>12145069
Soyuz and R7 derived launch vehicles

>>12145063
Semi reusable cheap rockets being able to do high energy/payload cislunar missions destroys the SLS's reason to exist. Shelby specifically dislikes depots and tugs because of the threat they pose to Alabama NASA jobs and Alabama SLS contractor jobs.

Spatially speaking, what is the 737 MAX of space?

>>12145069
Soyuz. It's old as dirt, braindead simple, can be maintained by frostbitten conscripts with hammers and mittens, and was based on a 1950s military design.

>>12145078
Starliner, duh.

does nasa fly cool planes anymore or have they given up on the aeronautics part

Spiritually speaking, what is the F-104 Starfighter of space?

>>12145085
A couple of years ago I heard they were building new X-planes to study quieter sonic booms for use in passenger airliners.

>>12145087
antares

>>12145087
NF-104.

>>12145091
the other two answers were self explanatory but I don't get this one

Seductively speaking, what is the Spruce Goose of space?

>>12145101

>>12145101
wooden starship after they realize steel won't work either

Personally speaking, who is the Howard Hughes of space?

>>12145101
spaceship two

>>12145109
kek

>>12145087
"The Widowmaker"

>>12145101
actually disregard my previous answer

THIS is the spruce goose of space

>>12145108

>>12145110
EASILY ACCESSIBLE SELF DESTRUCT LEVERS

>>12145117
>still hasnt been in any spaceship crashes

Why aren't we using a nuclear powered craft?

>>12145122
walking away from any significant number of spaceship crashes is not a thing any human has accomplished yet except maybe Chuck Yeager if you're generous with your definition of spacecraft

>>12145117
>We control Mars too, jokes on you
Elon is actually Doomguy but all of the portals back to hell were shut down so he has to get there through space.

>While directing The Outlaw, Hughes became fixated on a small flaw in one of Jane Russell's blouses, claiming that the fabric bunched up along a seam and gave the appearance of two nipples on each breast. He wrote a detailed memorandum to the crew on how to fix the problem.

>>12145129
REMEMBER
WHERE TO ENTER
THE DOOR THE HELL IS AMBER

>>12145123
Congress has been actively hostile to spaceflight since Apollo 11 splashed down. The first budget since the 1970s to fund nuclear rocket research was THIS YEAR.

>>12145123
Communists through environmentalists prevent the development to undermine western spaceflight.

>>12145101
sls

bros
what if instead of stacking stages on top of each other
we just go WIDE and make them into rings with the final stage in the core
pancake rockets when?

>>12145149
Go look up Chrysler's space shuttle proposal.

>>12145141
>and will instantly evaporate under a Harris administration, with funding redirected for critical race theory commissars

>>12145089
X-59 QueSST
https://www.nasa.gov/aeroresearch/nasa-marks-continued-progress-on-x-59

>>12145152
Trump will win.

>>12145132
FIFTEEN INFANTRY PARATROOP INTO THE PROPYLENE NEW SCENE
HELL'S WHERE THEY WANNA BE!

>>12145158
INFEST
THE RAT'S NEST

>>12145126
Does that soyuz disaster not count?

>>12145150
now that's what I call T H I C K

>>12145179
>>12145150
>in the late apollo era Chrysler had a drug fueled space sector
>now they're a division of motherfucking fiat

If Starship does its job well enough, how soon will we see development of the 18m variant?

>>12145187
2021

>>12145187
When someone besides elon needs that much launch capability.

did it pop?

>>12145187
Wouldn't it be more voluminous than ISS? Imagine the things one could do with it.

How is Starship testing coming along? I haven't been following the news.

>>12145239
it's cancelled

>>12145232
18m startship would be like launching a sports arena.

0g sports WHEN

>>12144979
This is China, not India

>>12144399
This is factually incorrect. Buyers are already lining up, Aurora space hotel, Queen Bee asteroid miner etc. Starlink fills the role of an "anchor tenants" which can fill demand gaps and be used for more experimental launch profiles.
>>12144628
He3 is in no way economical, mainly because the commonly imagined use-case for it does NOT exist. We do not have a thriving fusion energy market in demand for exotic fusile gases. The moon has much else to offer besides this red herring.
>>12144801
Correct answer. They need the ISRU tech for Mars, might as well make your rocket look better with it.
>>12145155
It will be amusing all the leftist democrat voting "space geeks" trying to rationalize why president Harris canceling Nasa is a good thing.

>>12145069
It doesn't exist yet

>>12145287
>It will be amusing all the leftist democrat voting "space geeks" trying to rationalize why president Harris canceling Nasa is a good thing.
Wouldn't be too hard of a thing to spin. Just say some bollocks about how space exploration is just a modern manifestation of white colonial attitudes and that we should only start re-funding space once society has reached true equality

>>12145187
27m Starship orbital construction yards when?

>>12145123
Both America and Russia are pursing it right now. Russia posted the hardware under development the other day and America is letting companies bid on the project.

>>12144442
Exactly my thoughts. Although Salyut-3 and 5 do have a little bit of a cool factor with them.

>>12145287
Have they signed contracts yet?

Australia is kicking the Chinese space tracking facility out of their cunt
https://www.reuters.com/article/china-space-australia-exclusive/exclusive-china-to-lose-access-to-australian-space-tracking-station-idUSKCN26C0HB

The next OneWeb is scheduled for December
https://twitter.com/Arianespace/status/1307985849716486145

>>12145397
>Australia is kicking the Chinese space tracking facility out of their cunt
fuck chyna
>The next OneWeb is scheduled for December
i thought they were bankrupt? or is our government still pretending it's a gps constellation and throwing money at it?

>>12145239
Three prototypes hopped 150 meters on one engine so far. First one last year was really scrappy. Then they blew up a bunch of prototypes intentionally and unintentionally and made their prototypes less and less scrappy over time. All while establishing a sort-of production line for these prototypes where one can be built to a testable state in about a month.
After the last two prototypes successfully hopped 150 metres we are currently waiting for them to blow up a smaller test tank to get experience with a new steel alloy they want to switch to.
Simultaneously they are currently gearing up a new prototype with the full equipment of 3 Raptor engines, the flaps and a nose. Once the earlier mentioned test tank is through testing, the idea is to do two static fires with this new prototype and then attempt a hop to 20km and a skydive and propulsive landing back to earth. This should happen within a month or so.
Meanwhile the shed-tent for super heavy construction is almost done so they‘re probably pretty close to starting the first prototype of that one as well.

>>12145389
Contracts do not matter if Nasa doesn't get its funding. Look at commercial crew for an example.

>>12145414
>within a year you will see janky prototype suborb starship+superheavy test flights

>>12144844
>>12144868
they actually fell for the sänger meme, and they were too lazy to even change the color from the wikipedia article

>>12145419
I'm talking about the space hotel and asteroid mining people. Have they signed launch contracts with spaceX.

>>12144844
>lauch 30ft from an airport terminal
first the villagers, next duty free

>>12145431
kek

>>12144782
1. don't want to waste delta v on steering losses
2. don't want to wait 11 minutes to reach orbit
3. don't want to be stuck with LESS than a .41 TWR and exceed rated burn times if an engine goes out

>>12145431
hypergolic discount perfumes and giant toblarone powered srbs

Imagine if China decided to copy the DC-X or the X-33.

>>12145452
i hope they do. might wake western governments up a bit. it's amazing, even after this pandemic, that china isn't under greater scrutiny and pressure from nato countries.

>>12145452
working for china's future project office has to be the greatest job ever. you just make a few renders of whatever looks cool on astronautix for your slide show and then tell party leadership that it'll be flying in 15 years. hypergolic nexus boosting hypergolic orion.

>>12144613
Then it needs more brass and gears on it.
>>12145099
Orb-3
>>12145113
>THIS is the spruce goose of space
Yep, it checks all the boxes, including being finished but having nothing to fly.
>>12145109
StarShipTwo is probably in second place right now.
>>12145108
Pre-hermitage, Musk. Post-hermitage, maybe Bezos?
>>12145152
>>12145334
We can't have Whitey on the Moon. Get back in that crab bucket!
>>12145287
>He3 is in no way economical
3He has one useful purpose, and that is quickly identifying space nutters who fucking love science.
>>12145414
>Then they blew up a bunch of prototypes
and some ground support equipment too

>>12145496
>more brass and gears
can't post 2 pics in one post, this was my original pick

>>12145452
They're copying SpaceX with Falcon 9, Heavy, and Starship

>>12145510
Well, at least they are copying what works rather than the SLS.

>>12145496
>>12145414

Is sticking the landing maneuver from 20 km the hardest step they have left?

>>12145522
Seems that way, I fully expect the first bellyflop to be a high-speed impact. If it sticks the landing the first time I'd be highly impressed.

>>12145524
>>12145522
imho landing is just a bonus, as long as it reaches the altitude we're good. Even on the real orbital test, a fully expendable SS is still an absolute gamechanger in terms of cost/kg. Consider that Falcon 9 wasn't self-landing at first either

The Long March 5 rocket that will launch China's Lunar sample return mission has arrived on Hainan https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1308035326384898051
Launch is expected NET Nov 24

>>12145536
Who told them they were allowed on our moon?

>>12145536
>The complexity of the mission profile is considered by observers to be related to future crewed lunar landing ambitions.

>As with earlier phases the mission also has a backup, Chang’e-6. That mission will be repurposed for a sample return near the lunar south pole if Chang’e-5 proceeds according to plan.
>China has stated it will then proceed into an extended phase of lunar exploration involving Chang’e-7 and further lunar landing missions. The aim will be to establish an ‘international lunar research station’ in the mid-to-late 2020s as a precursor to crewed landings.

>>12145543
>‘international lunar research station’
Every country has at one point mentioned doing something like this for the past 20 years and for the life of me I still have no idea what it means. Is it a bunch of unmanned landers landing close together or something?

>>12145543
>not parking both your MOLABs under the carport for when it rains

>>12145536
>tfw was really exitced for the chinese lunar landers because we'd finally get some new hd pictures of the lunar surface
>all the surface pictures are all in potato quality
should have known better honestly

>>12145550
>be taikonaut
>be excited about getting to do useful research on the international lunar research station
>it's filled with pakistanis
>your research job is taking urine and fecal samples from the pakistanis
>wish you could run the ant farm instead
>you can't

>>12145554
some aren't great, aren't terrible, i'd just like to see Opportunity-quality landscape

>>12145563
>>12145536
This is cool. How are they going to do the sample return, a mini rocket on the lander? Or is the entire lander the return vehicle

>>12145570
Rocket that rendezvous with the orbiter then the orbiter returns to Earth.

>>12145550
It starts out as a series of robotic missions by China in the 2020s.
>The ILRS envisions the Chang’e-,6, -7 and -8 missions and potential international missions as forming the basic setup. In the early 2030s an expanded ILRS will involve long-term robotic and potentially short-term crewed missions. A long-term human presence at the lunar south pole is the goal for 2036-2045.

They are hoping or expecting Russia to tag along with their robotic Lunar missions.
>Both Roscosmos and the European Space Agency have had discussions with China with regards contributing to the project.
>Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin last month told Russian media China and Russia had agreed they will “probably” build a moon research base together, following talks with Director of the China National Space Administration Zhang Kejian.
>The two sides have earlier agreed to open the Chinese Chang’e-7 and Russian Luna 26 missions to science payload contributions from the other party.

https://spacenews.com/china-is-aiming-to-attract-partners-for-an-international-lunar-research-station/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program

>>12145574
Why do the lander and orbiter keep changing?

>>12145338
next would be 36m silly

>>12145593
It depends on what their spy network has dug up in the previous month.

Reminder it's Monday and SN8 is nowhere near close to completion.

>>12145610
SN 7.1 adamantly refuses to pop

>>12145612
(music)
>It's my test stand,
>And I'll pop when I wanna...

Now that Trevor Milton is out at Nikola who's ready to be a seed investor in SpaceY?

>Prototype showcased at launch event is a propane tank that somebody's scrawled FUNCTIONING ROCKET on

Astronaut Michael S. Hopkins, pic related - the white guy, was transferred from the Air Force to the Space Force. His ride to the ISS on the upcoming SpaceX Crew-1 will make him the first person from the Space Force to go into space, though technically he has already been to space...
https://www.congress.gov/nomination/116th-congress/2019

>>12145574
Yup, just found the same image. Cool shit.

>>12145628
cool

Here's your precious climate denier, /sfg/

>>12145637
He actually stopped denying climate when he stopped being a senator for oil city USA.

>>12145637
We love him dearly

>>12145637
Yet he is far superior than his predecessor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptPdlVAwFg

Reminder that SLS will save the day when you least expect it.

>>12145661
But I least expect it happening before it's even been stacked in the VAB

>>12145661
By exploding and killing several senators on-site to watch a launch/test?

When will be able to plop a few of these on Mars to terraform it?

>>12145661
We all know about the coming space drive powered by the anger of space nerds.

>>12145637
keep Big Jim, if they remove him we remove congress

When does SN8 launch

>>12145716
next week at the earliest but probably the week after that, they're still not done assembling it and it's gonna need at least two static fires with the three-engine raptor cluster

>>12145410
>i thought they were bankrupt? or is our government still pretending it's a gps constellation and throwing money at it?
last I heard, the UK government and an Indian telecom company agreed to operate it

>>12144190
you /pol/yps are insufferable faggots, why bring politics to space?

>>12145748
It's all they really have to their personality. It's why people get so wrapped up in politics

>>12144254
>CYKAAAA BLYAAATTTT!

>>12144309
The expanse in general has a very neat depiction of spacecrafts

>>12145748
it's been in space since 1957

>>12144354
just shine a torch, faggot

If Aerospikes suddenly became viable and desirable for whatever reason, would the rockets that use them look like the Venturestar spaceplane looking design or something more like the Saturn V/Starship?

>>12145754
>RUSH V(enus)

>>12145773
They would look more like
R O M B U S
O
M
B
U
S

>>12145773
linear aerospikes are easier to do

>>12145773
Aerospikes are only useful on SSTOs because they're not as good as dedicated vacuum or sea level nozzles.

>>12145696
>The galaxy gets conquered by the /sfg/ Infinite Empire

>>12144411
Weebs and degenerates are prohibited in the MCRN fleet service

>>12144426
but really, how much energy will that take?

>>12145789
Elon himself is a weeb.

>>12144453
TFW no galileo probe waifu

>>12145797
furry too

>>12145797
reminder that elon forces his mars empress gf to watch eva and listen to the hardcore history wrath of the khans episodes while you whine about the space shuttle for the 500th time on /sci/

>>12145806
>Death note
>EVA
Why do all celebs watch the most entry level anime?

>>12145748
>why bring politics to space?
If politics weren't an important factor to space exploration then we'd be on Mars by now

What's a good name for a space youtube channel?

>>12145842
The Everyday Estronaut

>>12145824
I'd say entry level is whatever shonen trash is currently airing on crunchyroll.

>>12145842
Cost-plus content

Will starship's crew module have a bridge with a giant viewscreen for Elon to hail people on Zoom?

>>12145856
Makes more sense than a giant window at the front.

>>12145857
i thought that was for ten-forward

>>12145806
>elon forces his mars empress gf to watch eva and listen to the hardcore history wrath of the khans episodes
As if I couldn't love the man any more.

>>12145862
Fucking god Elon is Gendo


IT ALL KEEP TUMBLING DOWN

>https://www.humanmars.net/2020/09/spacex-mars-base-alpha-concept-by.html
>teslas on mars
>comfy cubicles as your work environment
Someone spent hours / days making this and didn't spend five minutes to do some basic research. Pop sci fucks are bringing us down.

>>12145877
at least they're building underground tunnels to alleviate the congestion problems caused by martian urbanization

>>12145877
Well Elon did say Cybertrucks would work fine on Mars.