/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12144185
Embrace the void. I have decided that I will keep going as long as God allows, but I have no interest in living forever.

>>12144192
as long as god Death allows

other gods like Sun have nothing to do with this

>>12144185
>immortality will be invented the day after Brendan Fraser dies
J U S T
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>>12144185
*sigh* no it's not
>>12144192
fucking godfags and their fantasy shit

>>12144300
>godfags
https://www.famousscientists.org/25-famous-scientists-who-believed-in-god/

>>12144192
My anti-suicidal reasoning is that I will one day die no matter what and find out what death is like so why rush when I can experience everything else only briefly?

Might as well try to live forever but no need too

>>12144380
Cope

>>12144185
Lol this is like the plot of Altered Carbon.
BITCH DIGITAL IMMORTALITY IS A MYTH, you're not "immortal", you're just a copy or digital simulation of your conscience, but your original brain still dies. Basically, a simulation of you will continue on, but you as the original man will die.
I mean you could still try it as a way to leave an undying mark of you in the world but once you make the first swap you're gonna be soulless.

>>12144463
ok well normal cyborg immortality is happening this century too so...

>>12144463
>but your original brain still dies
Your original brain dies every time you go to sleep (or every time you blink).

>>12144476

>>12144476
>Every time you blink
Are you stupid?

>>12144485
not him, but it's true, brainlet. The brain you have today didn't exist a few years ago.
>>12144380
>certain scientists believed in god so he must exist
so what? Science describes our reality using the scientific method, it doesn't invalidate religion. That being said there is no evidence that god exists

>>12144498
>nonono, I am totally the same!

>>12144485
If you believe in soul, go to /x/

>>12144246
>>12144300
>schizos
>>>/x/

>>12144505
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hUW7n_h7MvQ

>>12144185
So they do multiple copies of you. They live on while you still die. Woohoo. You had better be a REALLY decent person, or the data banks will fill up with assholes really quickly. Imagine being a copy trapped on /pol for all eternity.

>>12144516
Well, if you do, you can pray to God and he will move your soul to the computer too.

>>12144517
>Imagine being a copy trapped on /pol for all eternity.
This is why I'll try and infect myself with a virus if anyone attempts to copy my brain.
>>12144499
That's not the same as saying we die every night, fucker.
>>12144505
Go back to r*ddit fedoraposter.

>survive another 2 decades
>be 96
>digital immortality coming soon

>>12144540
>That's not the same as saying we die every night, fucker.
No different from >>12144463 piece of "wisdom"

>>12144540
So you understand that the brain is constantly rebuilding itself and that there is now permanence to it. How is slowly digitizing your brain, the same way it constantly rebuilds itself, the same as dying?

>>12144543
But it's literally the true. You're basically digitalizing the behavior of your brain, and if you're still alive after that process, you're still gonna die eventually. The simulation that will run after your dead is not "you", is a copy of your consciousness in that instant you went through the digitalizing process.
>>12144544
I never said that "digital mind=death", just that it really isn't immortality, you're basically just making a you.exe that will run after your death.
However you did say that blinking/sleeping=death so... lmao

>>12144563
>The simulation that will run after your dead is not "you",
If it is identical to current you structurally and behaviorally, then it is you too.
Actually there is no other way to distinguish between same and different people.

>>12144563
I'm currently running after my death, my brain dies and rebuilds parts of itself on a tiny scale all the time.

>>12144570
It's not you, it's a clone. If you're fine with the idea of an abstract concept of you surviving beyond death it's great, but you, specifically, will still die.

>>12144570
>If it is identical to current you structurally and behaviorally, then it is you too.
That's a very shitty, materialistic and reductionist way of describing a human being.

>>12144585
Dumbass, cerebral neurons are never replaced and are designed to last until death.

>>12144585
Yes, yet it isn't dead, nor did it die. It just healed in its sleep and replaced damaged tissue with new one.
Again, neither you or your brain died. You jsut made new biological matter that your ACTIVE AND ALIVE brain used to heal itself.

>>12144603
Implying this can't be done do a living brain, slowly making it digital.
>>12144595
source?

>>12144638
You could do it fast or slow, it won't change the fact that you're just building a save file/an AI based on you.

>>12144588
There is no "you, specifically". Unless, of course, you believe in soul, but that's religious question, not scientifical.

>>12144592
If you prefer shiny idealistic holistic way, you can pray to God so he will move your soul inside the computer paradise.

>>12144644
It does. Neurons die and slowly rebuild themselves. Neurons could be slowly digitized, imagine your brain slowly becoming a computer, and not biological like it currently does.

>>12144644
>you're just building a save file
That's a great computer game analogy. Now what happens if you are killed? Right, you restore the savegame and continue playing.

ITT

>>12144657
We see.

>>12144657
Don't tell me you're taking an internet forum debate about a theoretical immortality device seriously, lmao.

>>12144463
You only came to that conclusion because you are assuming digital immortality would only be mere copying of a brain, the fact is that we know absolutely nothing about consciousness so there could or couldn't be means to actually transfer it elsewhere (or digitalize it) for all that we know.
Any attempt to rationalize fantasy techs is retarded anyway

>>12144664
there's a guy who replies with "retard" or basedjacks to literally anything, he's just fishing for insecure 20yo's lmao

Neuroscientist here, first time on this board and of course I'm disappointed. None of you are even read on the topic.

First, a primer for digitizing brains. Yes, it's possible, because neurons having on/off states (and a few others, but for simplicity just consider on/off) On states affect neighboring neurons in predictable ways, such that they will then either be on/off too. Assembling a complete map of every possible interaction between a complete nervous system is called a "connectome". We have accomplished this in ONE extremely simple organism, C. Elegans.

Here is what it looks like running as software:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHg6CQN5Y2g

And here's what it looks like running as the nervous system of a robot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWQnzylhgHc

So scale that up an unfathomable amount, and you could have a human brain running in software.

We have on other practical problem which I think is well demonstrated in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x790AjID0FA&t=625s
which is that when your brain is digitized it's a copy of you, NOT you. To the digitized brain, it would appear as if your mode of existence suddenly shifted, but to the flesh and bone you nothing would change. You would still die, and vanish into nothing. THAT is a problem.

So, how do we solve this problem? Instead of creating the copy, we gradually replace the brain with immortal synthetic neurons that run in the matter of our little worm robot. The idea that YOU are YOU is really an illusion that your brain creates, the victory here is fooling your brain as its being replaced such that it actually believes the copy is still you. Do we have the technology for this? Fuck no, not in the next 20 years. Making a copy that runs on a computer, I'm sure we'll see that before we die. But a full blown replacement... No. We're all doomed.

>>12144790
>But a full blown replacement... No. We're all doomed.
no way. We'll have an AGI that grows exponentially intelligent by 2050, it will solve all problems for us. I want to believe bros, stay optimistic.

>>12144185
I'm almost 30yo and feel optimistic. We live in the most unprecedented era. We're the first generation that seriously plans around the possibility of never dying.

>>12144192
what if God makes you immortal?

>>12144246
false. 100% of mankind's longevity technology will be manufactured by harvesting the Sun's emitted energy.

>>12144391
The thought of "I might be wrong" has literally saved my ass several times.

But if you die, then all your value assignments and true beliefs, cease to exist.

Moreover, prescribing "I don't need to live forever" is a contradiction. You're prescribing the act of not prescribing (death).

>>12144790
no need for even immortal synthetic neurons. just have a medication to flush the prions out of the brain, a medication to incite neuroplasticity, and mental exercises to build valuable neuronal pathways.

In fact, you don't want neurons to be immortal because the subject wants to be able to modify the neural structure of the brain. so you're NOT a neuroscientist.

>>12144185
>be and immortal with altered rna
>don't care

Just make sure you make enough money to be able to afford it. It's going to be expensive, at first.

>>12144192
Total immortality is impossible by even the wildest of sci fi fantasies, unless we can literally figure out how to halt the death of the universe

That being said I have every intention to live as long as possible, if someone told me there is a drug that extends your life expectancy by a thousand years I'd absolutely take it

>>12144563
Who says we don't go through this process every time we go to sleep? How do I know my consciousness isn't just a copy of my consciousness from yesterday?

>>12145124
What about +0 entropy system?

>>12144185
>be 76 years old
>>digital immortality to be possible within the next two decades

Your going to die.
Use these last few years well.
Make the world better.
Bye

>>12144185
No you moron, (((they))) won't release these tech in the next two decades. Tech has pretty much stagnated in the last half century.

>>12144185
Another thread where npcs out themselves by thinking making a copy of their brain is them still being alive.

God may or not exist but I doubt a super powerfull being care about humans. We care a lot about ourselves but just like we don't care about the lives of gorillas why would God care at all. If anything we are probably amusing. But I bet the dinosaurs were way more amusing.

The human brain is awesome. It literally allows us to do the things we do. It also makes us emotional but we gain more them we lose. Another problem with the brain is that t does not want to die, understandable. But it makes us scared to die so we are terrified about the one thing that will 100 percent happen. Death. It's like being scared about eating. It must be so tiring. Just live your life. Be nice to your neighbors and try to help the human species continue on. That's it. Enjoy motherfuckers.