/sci/ - Science & Math

no. posting images like that and cringejacks will though.

>>12126361
>no. posting images like that and cringejacks will though.

>>12126359
I'm a liberal Jewish since-birth vegetarian who eats a lot of onions, so by /pol/ standards I should basically be a woman, but my T levels are above average and I identify much more with anonymous imageboards than reddit soijaks. Effeminate/beta behavior probably mostly comes down to genetics and early life experience. Eat whatever you want.

A trope based on misinformation. Just diversify your protien and food intake and you should be good. Dont need to stop eating onions dud

Wasting resources for fancy fried tofu.

>>12126359
Amaizing, OP. You definitely have talent. How to evåde rånge-IP-åddress bånanas?

>>12126359
Please stop posting on our board. You're wasting your time. This is a board for intelligent people.

>>12126496
>>>12126359 (OP)
>Please stop posting on our board. You're wasting your time. This is a board for intelligent people.

>>12126359
Onions is super cool bro. Sometimes i eat meat with Onions so i dont have to eat no non proteins. Onions with snails is for example very nice.

I really love proteins, but it just so happens, that many of the foods containing proteins also containing Vitamin B. Sometimes i show signs of VB intoxication. =/ (with out consuming any supplements)

>>12126511
Sorry guys, it corrected stuff with out my permission Onions=Onions.

>>12126512
Onion = soja

>>12126514
write it with J seems to work.

>>12126511
>>12126512
>>12126514
fresh off the boat from reddit, kids? heh

only god knows how much i love proteins.

>>12126511
>>12126512
>>12126514
>>12126517
I want non-whites to get off this board

>>12126359
I'm a beta manchild even without eating sòy

>>12126519
Yes, but I've been on Reddit longer than you have been on 4chan which makes you the newfriend

>>12126528
>NINE-YEAR CLUB

>>12126522
baste

>>12126517
>JOY

>>12126359
No. If you're actually worried about it just eat lentils instead. Non-meat foods are generally cheaper per calorie, have a lower concentration of heavy metals and toxins, and some have higher quality protein.
Although likely not significant, meat (especially fish), eggs, milk, etc are more likely to reduce testosterone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC7mF2FN7Ww

>>12126404
OP, don't trust this kike. Be mindful of what you eat.

>>12126496

>>12126519
No, and i never was thats the only "social" media platform i use. But dont you think that its astounding, during vegetarians can suffer v-b, lagg, protein fanatics like me can suffer v-b intoxication? Not just meet. I am natural drown to food containing proteins, like spinach who also contains V-B. And i did intoxicate my self sometime with V-B. Its interesting because wiki denie that its possible to get V-B poisoning whit out supplements.

>>12126359
>>12126404

>>12126734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ug2DOoxJ1g
this guy has to be acting right?

>>12126867
And your point is?

>>12126359
Why do they do those "OMG SO SHOCKED" faces? Scientifically speaking, of course..

>>12126923
Everyone does this.

>>12126987
>Everyone does this.
I don't. When is the last time you posed for a picture with that over exaggerated shock face?

>>12126359
Onions does contain estrogen, so as long as you're not gulping down huge amounts every single day for years you will be fine.

>>12126987
>>12126992

It is definitely not a 'normal' face one would make

>>12126361
cope, faggot

>>12126987
>Everyone does this.
lol wat?

>>12126496
This board has been reddit for ages now

Fuck this gay thread, just the worst of the worst shitposters

There's a decent overview of Oriental bean derived protein over at Bodybuilding.com somebody looked into all the studies and it doesn't do anything to your hormones, I also read about one bodybuilder who are it and no other proteins over several months and had his test measured, all that happened was a small increase

All the faggotry about this is beta males trying to establish a hierarchy for themselves over the internet so they can feel like the tallest midget in the room for being on a carnivore diet

>>12126359

Consume chicken, it boost all male hormones and makes your erections more potent.

t. chicken industry.

>>12126923
Clickbait

>>12126359
You know goddamn well it's just a meme nigger
Go back to >>>/pol/

>>12126496
>This is a board for intelligent people.
99% of the people on this board are stupid af and I am guessing you are one of them since you couldnt figure that out on your own

You probably shouldn't if it's not a part of your existential crisis, minor or major.

Chicken, nuts, rice

>>12126359
Kek why do they make this stupid, predictable face?

Soi contains very high amounts of estrogen, OP. Don’t consoom

>>12127224
>>12127215
>>12127184
>>12127072
>>12126987
Effeminate soiboys detected.

>>12127509
This

>premature balding
>higher affinity for adipose tissue production
>harms eye sight
>lowers cognitive function and ability to think more deeply—hence why soiboys are big media consumers
>rewires the brain with more female-like connections

> estradiol - 200 pmol/l
> t - 26 nmol/l
> free t index - 150%
> cortisol - 340 nmol/l
> prolactin - 220 mUnit/l
> dheas - 12 mcmol/l
Guess my gender and diet. I dare u.

>>12126359
At worst eating too much soja will turn you into an Asian.

>>12127654
mtf

>>12126519
The filter is a pretty new thing. It's not a hallmark of 4chan at all.

>>12126867
>no mention of testosterone
>total number of subjet is 60
>insane quantities of soj consumed (seriously who drik 400mL of basedmilk a day?)

>>12127660
Miss.
Regular male, eat lots of meat, drink more than I should tho.
See, this hormone-diet thing is not that deterministic.

>>12127528
>rewires the brain with more female-like connections
I don't know why but this part made me laugh.

There is more estrogen in actual meat and milk/dairy than there is in these plant substitutes.

Are these phytoestrogens even bioactive in humans? I mean, androgens and estrogens are 1-2 modifications away from each other. DHT is one reaction away from T and is like 500 stronger.
Even if the phytoestrogens reach the blood unmodified, are they still potent enough to cause an effect?
>>12127680
He has a point. Women with low E2 are vulnerable to mental diseases. Half the women being administered to mental wards are administered during or soon after menstruation, when E2 is the lowest. Same thing for women suicide. Also, postmenopausal depression, probably caused by a drop in E2, is usually treated with hormones.
Havent seen any studies on how estrogens are linked to mental health in men, but it still might be
Here is one article on the topic
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3624621/

>>12126359
Has anyone tried them?

Chicken is already ridiculously inexpensive, especially if you buy on-the-bone meat. Cook it in a pressure cooker or sous vide and it will fall off the bone easily. Same for slow cookers. Even boneless cuts can be pretty inexpensive when on sale, which is the time to stock up.

>>12127908
Yeah that was my first thought, I understand red meat replacements because it's expensive but chicken is literally the poverty meat of choice
Also OP is a massive fag. It's obvious that betas/femboys go for trendy, sweet flavored things and less beta men go for more rich flavors and savory things, the whole soi thing is just simple correlation vs causation, the only real argument against soi is it takes too much water to produce. Go eat your overpriced "testosterone supplements" instead of working out properly

>>12126916
>>12127675
>[/sci/]
..

Estrogen going down suggests the plausibility of testosterone going up.

>total number of subjects is 60
Especially in this context, that is not ever an argument.

>insane quantities [and it still reduced E *in women*, who are plausibly having more receptors].

>>12126359
No. Regardless of what the skinnyfat guys who thinking eating meat makes them über tough guys say, the true onions liberal man child loves BACON! and will never shut up about his love of BACON!

>inb4 mad vegan
I do eat meat, it's just not a personality trait for me

probably not, but drinking will

it's funny how in these threads the actual scientific papers and studies are the least discussed.
but there sure are a lot of people presenting opinions as facts, so that's basically the same thing right?

>>12126359
Beyond chicken (like all beyond products) doesn't contain onions protein and use pea protein...

>>12126359
The cheapest if you have a little plot of land is chicken eggs.
Aside from having to build a fence, and opening and closing the chicken house at morning and evening, it's effortless.

>>12127662
You're a fucking retard, it's been around for at least 2 years now

even if one in ten-thousand men made those faces for pictures you would see them all over the internet because of how many people there are.

it’s something /pol/ users don’t seem to get since they always screenshot twitter not because how massive the sample would have to be to mean something. the internet has really exposed how stupid so many people are. it’s wild.

>>12126359
I mean, not after just one meal. But eventually you will become what you eat

>>12129211
prove it retard

>>12129262
You're a living proof.
You gobbled so much cock, you became a huge faggot.

>>12127215
You're correct, but if we tell them they don't belong here long enough then maybe they'll leave. There are some "safe havens" on this board, per se.

>>12126359
>diagnosed with milk allergy at 9
>been on onions ever since then
>tranny
my mum unironically blames soya milk, she said this to me.

is there a lot of soii in science?

>>12126359
If this were remotely true all Chinese and Japanese people would have become women including people like Sun Tzu Cao Cao and Musashi Miyamoto. It's bunk based on one paper from 25 years ago about onions protein in sheep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8dfiDeJeDU

>>12129591
Nip onions is generally eaten fermented, so the estrogen content is much lower than what shabboth goyim consume.

how many of you chug onions?

>>12126359
Those empty eyes. Remjinder that most processed food contains onions, and it's unfermented.

>>12126359
>effeminate, beta, soft-bellied, cucked, liberal man-child?
no

>>12129578
no

>>12129087
>even if one in ten-thousand men made those faces for pictures you would see them all over the internet because of how many people there are.
>it’s something /pol/ users don’t seem to get since they always screenshot twitter not because how massive the sample would have to be to mean something. the internet has really exposed how stupid so many people are. it’s wild.

Would it be ethical to enforce a high onions diet for prisoners? Think about it. Get back to me on it.

Beware of the sóy, OP. Don’t consoom

>>12126359
Could actually be the inverse. Hormones are controlled by feedback loops, if the estrogen in the onions has more affinity for receptors in your brain, the brain will react by lowering estrogen production. The most visible phytoestrogen effect is definitely hops in beer. Heavy bear drinkers all have fat distribution that favors stomach and chest, many have gyno even.

>>12129952
WOAH GREAT IDEA DUDE

HAHA IF THEY ALSO INCLUDED GIVING PRISONERS ACCESS TO A NINTENDO SWITCH, THEN I MIGHT JUST COMMIT A CRIME SO I COULD BE THERE

FRIGGIN EPIC

>people scared of onions because it has PHYTOestrogens, a chemical compound completely distinct from human estrogen named such because it functions in a similar role in the plants
>people don't give a fuck about eating dairy and meat that contains actual estrogen that is chemically compatible with our systems

>>12129959
>>12129959
>>12129959
You're crazy. Don't respond to me ever again.

>>12129962
Phytoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors thereby increasing the body’s level of free estrogen

Dairy and meat contain far more test-like androgens that at the least counter the levels of estrogen. Plus IGF-1 which increases growth—especially of muscle

Pic related. It’s you. Cope

>>12129967
>>>12129959 (You) #
>>>12129959 (You) #
>>>12129959 (You) #
>You're crazy. Don't respond to me ever again.

>>12129975
You're projecting super hard right now. Go check some studies if you think I'm wrong.

does /sci/ have the most users with high levels of (s)oy.lent consumption?

producers of onions products say any estrogens that are in the products are destroyed by the stomach acid upon consumption, and to me, this seems pretty legit.
I can't think of a situation where those chemicals move from the stomach to the brain by any mechanism, but then again, i'm not a biochemist or anything.

I'm interested to see a study come out where the sample sizes of people given onions products aren't really small, so maybe we can get this kind of thing solved.

for reference, I grew up in a vegetarian family, but transitioned to meat when i was around 14, don't really eat a lot of onions, but it's interesting to learn about I guess.

>>12130064
wtf, why is the word S O Y replaced with onions?

>>12130066
Hang on, s o y word filters to onions? That explains a lot, I never understood why people were saying that onions are a bitch food for effeminate men

>>12130066
Clamp culture.

>>12126528
Hahaha, I wish.

>>12129952
It'd definitely help the women's prisons, there's broads in there with more T than this whole board puy together.

>>12126372
>>12127032
Back to plebbit, retarded faggots.

>>12129083
It's 3 years old and was caused directly by rapefugee spamming

>>12128395
>>12126867
soya reduces estrogen because the isoflavones have estrogenic effect, pausing estrogen production by the negative feedback loop

>>12129962
you're retarded, it's literally the reverse.
Phytoestrogens are chemicals that are structurally similar to estrogen, and in the case of chemicals like genistein are full agonists of the estrogen receptor.
Furthermore they don't act like estrogen at all in plants, there's no equivalent system to human hormones. Isoflavones are used in plants to repel fungi.

HOW CAN SCIENCE EXPLAIN THE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS?

>>12126528
Kill yourself.

>>12130388
they're just really excited desu :)

>>12130118
Retard the filter has been in place since moot had his cuкcdown in 2014. DESU and faм were also filtered after that

>>12126404
>I'm liberal
/thread

>>12130122
[Citation needed], specifically what you're referencing is most relevant to optimizing negative feedbacks (as I had already mentioned receptors, such as simply replacing E with a less potent molecule).

I have a nintendo switch and eat soý. I guess ima tranny. (I am)

>>12131291
Identity clamped.

>>12130073
kek I was scrolling through the thread looking for this

>>12126867
Blood tests for estrogen aren't reliable, it can get stored in the tissues

>>12130064
>Estrogen is destroyed by stomach acid
Ever heard of birth control pills?

>>12128395
>testosterone going up
No statistical difference.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11303585/

Rest of the paper for context.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9839524/

Not enough soijaks in this thread. Very disappointed in you, /sci/

>>12132050
>Not enough soijaks in this thread. Very disappointed in you, /sci/

>>12126404
>I'm a liberal Jewish since-birth vegetarian who eats a lot of onions, so by /pol/ standards I should basically be a woman, but my T levels are above average and I identify much more with anonymous imageboards than reddit soijaks. Effeminate/beta behavior probably mostly comes down to genetics and early life experience. Eat whatever you want.

>haha basedboy eating all that estrogen

*drinks gallon of cows milk with ungodly amount of mammal estrogen that actually grows tiddies on you*

>>12132070
See
>>12129975

>>12126359
Maybe not but all of this will

>>12132153
This blows. Why is estrogen so easy to increase compared to test?

>>12132171
Some of info in that image is sketchy, although I agree with it in general.

>>12132050
Eat doo doo

>>12132249
>>12132050
Oh wait misread it sorry

>>12126359
Try it for a month and if you genuinely feel fine after it keep going and if not just ditch it.

>>12132153
>Asians have no facial hair because they eat onions
actual retardation. The non-dietary stuff is right though

>>12132171
estrogen is a primitive hormone. Test and progesterone are progressive hormones.
western altright soiboys will never understand this because they get offended by reality.

estrogen also doesn't do what soiboys think it does, it actually has a masculinizing effect on men (but in a primitive way). Men who go bald and have more body hair tend to be more estrogenic. Feminine features arise from genes and prenatal things that can't be changed. That's why you can load up a tranny with estrogen and he still looks like a fucking man--the estrogen literally doesn't matter unless it's in the right genetic environment.

This is actually one of the reasons (the other being genes) that Asians have less "andro" hair and less balding. They have far less estrogen than whites. Their constitution is more youthful and childlike, less estrogen and less androgenic compensation because of that estrogen.

The antithesis of that is like an Arab or Italian--super "androgenic" but far less healthy looking and higher estrogen levels. Whites are somewhere in the middle, with northern/eastern whites being more Asian in morphology.

Blacks also have high estrogen levels but have genetic differences that reduce hair.

>>12132538
>it actually has a masculinizing effect on men (but in a primitive way).
So you mean aggression and territoriality, poor impulse control and being more emotionally reactive?

While testosterone's masculinizing effect is what, more mental/psychological? Like the stoicism and emotional restraint of Marcus Aurelius for instance?

>>12132153
I wish the person who wrote this posted their body. I cannot imagine them having sex, ever.

4 and everyone who posted a wojak ITT has their mother die from COVID by this December

>>12132171
Because estrogen is a kind of stress hormone roughly speaking, while test is more of a performance hormone, as I understand it. If you fuck something up your body can respond with estrogen, but it only really makes the test it needs and can afford. Estrogen is also a primitive hormone like the other guy said, and there are a fair amount of external chemicals that imitate its effects. Estrogen is not at all the equivalent of testosterone, it's dangerous to women as well but they have progesterone which acts antagonistically to protect from estrogen.

The true nature of hormones is a really fascinating subject