/sci/ - Science & Math

nigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NduKCos5s8

SPI Causeway near Boca Chica is closed due to a bomb threat, huge traffic jam. SN7.1 is also being tested right now.

Will Musk make it to Mars quickly enough to escape the inevitable collapse of western civilization? This is some real The Foundation series race against time shit.

>>12122500
You can send a mission to anywhere in the solar system, but you have a maximum budget of $100 million minus launch costs. Where would you go?

For me, it would be a small atmospheric probe designed to descend through Venus’ atmosphere without a parachute for about an hour until it impacts the surface, all the while trying to find evidence of phosphines.

>>12122511
Little UAV or quadcopter to fly around in a gas giant

>>12122514
gas giants are made out of hydrogen, you can't get enough lift to fly in them before the pressures and temperatures become too high to be tolerable for modern materials

>>12122511
>ATLAST concepts
as in, AT LAST, we finally launched Jimmy Webb?

>>12122509
Yes.
Now let's go back to not doomposting, before people start spamming population graphs.

>>12122522
yes

>>12122511
Mars polar impactor. See just how deep that ice goes, and what's trapped in it.

>>12122511
Big honking 2500kg probe to Neptune, using the Plasma Magnet Sail demo trajectory.

MERCURY WHEN?

>>12122528
Also I think this would greatly upset the planetary protection crowd, can we acquire a nuke for our $100M? I'm sure North Korea or Pakistan could help us. For sterilizing the impact zone, of course, and for science.

>>12122505
https://www.valleycentral.com/news/breaking-port-isabel-causeway-closed-due-to-bomb-threat/

This is another big step for humankind.

>>12122542
*big hop for bunnkind

how did they know

>>12122536
I’ve been on the venus train before it was cool, and I can tell you after MUCH consideration that mercury is a SHIT with absolutely nothing of interest to see or study. It is the closest planet to earth though. Technically.

>>12122553
It has the most metal out of any planet. If we want to make megastructures, we need to mine Mercury.

>>12122557
>having to deal with getting away from mercury and the sun after every load of materials

big oof

>>12122557
It also has retarded ezmode solar for beamed power.

>>12122563
>>12122564
Boom

>>12122557
>>12122564
SELF REPLICATING MERCURY SOLAR PRODUCTION FACILITIES FOR MAKING OF GREAT GLORIOUS DYSON SWARM

>>12122557
That is true, but the heavy metal deposits are sporadically placed around the surface. I guess I should have mentioned that in my mercury rant.

>>12122563
We could convert the whole thing into a stupidly huge PROCSIMA array. Or split it up and have like a dozen that were still gargantuan.
At that point though, I think we have something less like "beamed propulsion" and more like "death ray defense grid"

>>12122511
Europe or Enceladus sample return mission.

...to think that we might discover alien life and reactionless drives this year but no one would care because 2020 is too crazy as it is

>>12122581
I'd sacrifice Mercury to defend Earth with giant lasers.

>>12122581
>At that point though, I think we have something less like "beamed propulsion" and more like "death ray defense grid"
Ayyniggers need to get off our cosmic lawn.

>>12122563
Just mine the sun then.

>>12122585
Lmao just go get some ice from your fridge bro

>>12122581
same thing t b h

>>12122585
you can just book a plane ride for a Europe sample return.

>>12122588
>>12122581
>first contact with an advanced, FTL capable civilization
>it jumps out of some sort of weird warp shenanigans near Jupiter
>automated System Defense Grid sees this as a threat and just fucking vaporizes them
>it was just some poor fucking ayy and his family who got lost on vacation

>>12122541
Huh, I assumed the bomb threat comment was a joke about SN7’s imminent destruction.

>>12122604
he's just standing there

>>12122581
>Ambassador ship from the Galactic Alliance comes to make first contact because they've noticed our first interstellar probes
>What an exciting time, it's not every day you get to welcome a new species into the thriving and peaceful galactic community
>As they're passing through the Oort Cloud they do a sensor sweep of the system
>Confusion on the command deck, as they discover that one of the inner planets listed in the archives appears to be missing
>Surely the survey probes didn't malfunction that badly, where did it go?
>Wait a second, what are those continent-sized structures orbiting their star?
>Why are they bristling with city-scale lasers and particle emitters?
>Oh god oh fuck the monkeys made really fucking huge guns

>>12122621
on the edge

NASA called for a communication satellite network around the Moon? Why? Why not just one around L2 like the Chinese have?

>>12122641
NASA wants multiple moonbases and rovers with moon Internet.

>>12122645
Pssh like thats gonna happen. Reminder that SLS might not even be able to get shit to the south lunar pole

Thoughts on Australia's space program? It just attempted to launch a sounding rocket (pic related).

https://thewest.com.au/technology/countdown-on-for-sa-rocket-launch-ng-s-2029633

>>12122653
Big Jim has been letting SpaceX replace Artemis from the inside out.
>HLS Starship
>Dragon XL cargo delivery
>Falcon Heavy Gateway module launch
If SLS can't do it they'll look elsewhere.

>>12122653
Is reaching a lunar polar orbit any harder than reaching an equatorial lunar orbit?

>>12122659
They should be going all out to allow American rockets to launch from Australia.

>>12122663
SLS is like a fat fuck who can barely climb three flights of stairs getting to orbit - only 26 tons to TLI. Asking it to get a payload to 90 degree inclination around the moon after that is in fact pushing it.

>>12122671
why not just launch polar? I did it in KSP once

Long march 11 just launched from the yellow sea, directly over taiwan, into a sun-synchronous orbit. I don’t know it any of y’all give a shit lmao, just thought i’d share the news though

>>12122671
My point is that you could launch in a trajectory that puts you straight into a polar orbit, you don't have to go there first and then adjust.

>>12122686
This is the fruits of their labor. They're finally confident enough to just drop boosters directly on Taiwan now.

>>12122684
I’ve done it too but it’s hard IRL. Wastes a lot of energy not launching in the direction of earth’s rotation, and you have to take weird paths because you don’t want to drop shit over cuba or canada and piss them off. I bet china will do polar launches though bc, unironically, the don’t give a fuck about where the boosters fall

>>12122586
>meme drive bullshit again

>>12122586
Drink Coca-Cola.

>this is going to be a common occurrence soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXLYvMNxmhs
Ignore the shitty music. Soon people will have watch parties for Starlink reentries.

>>12122661
>gulp

>>12122697
>you don’t want to drop shit over cuba
Meanwhile

>>12122711
god damn LEO reentries are so fucking slow across the sky

>>12122686
I hope they warn Taiwan and the US when they do this so we avoid this kind of stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_rocket_incident

>>12122721
That trajectory was enabled by first stage flyback, the rocket very specifically turned around and fucked off out of Cuban airspace

>>12122726
Taiwan should buy one of these.

>>12122505
Are they actually going to failure this time or will they blueball me again?

>>12122686
>directly over Taiwan
This is going to be a big problem.

>First stage crash/splash down just offshore of the Port of Shanghai.
>Second stage overflight of Taiwan.
Somebody stop them before it's too late.

>>12122789
China's just swinging their big dick around, daring someone to say Taiwan isn't their territory.

>>12122818
Taiwan should've shot the fucking thing down.

>SN 7.1 is still in one piece
I want my goddamn pop

when does sn7.1 pop?

>>12122721
>lands first stage instead of killing cows

>>12122732
america should gift them one. the assache would be immense

>>12122860
The GSE will fail before it does. They're making unpoppable tanks now, didn't you hear?

>>12122874
They cancelled the program decades ago due to the fact that it wasn’t particularly practical. Taiwan may get THAAD at some point in the near future, though, which’ll almost certainly ignite the largest Chinese bitchfit since the Boxer Rebellion.

>>12122885
based. fuck chyna
fuck urf too
and boing

>>12122885
THAAD is no longer an issue. Cheap Chinese drones can take them out. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36085/troubling-drone-incursions-have-occurred-over-guams-thaad-anti-ballistic-missile-battery

POP WHEN

>>12122895
It’s just as likely that it’s pen testing from US red teams.

they've started cryogenic nitrogen loading
if it's going to pop, it'll be soonish

Comfy rain in Boca.

>>12122586
Same smile as Arnie.

>>12122586
>reactionless drives
Where?

>>12123026
Mike McCulloch is claiming both Spain and Dresden (Tajmar) confirmed emdrive thrust that matched quantized inertia predictions.

>>12123026
the EM drive crowd is kicking up a fuss again, this time claiming they're able to reproduce the effect using photons trapped in wound fiber optics

>>12122586
Never ever. Venus gas is some undiscovered bullshit that happens in a super dense atmosphere at 400 degrees over a couple of aeons.
Memedrive is still a meme. Quantized inertia ain‘t real and you can‘t push off of it.
Stop having fun.

>>12123065
phosphine gas is still interesting and it's worth sending probes to go check it out

>>12122629
Waiting for the pieces to fall into place

>>12123087
If nothing else, phosphorus is a major constraint on space colonization since without it you can't make DNA, so more off Earth sources are always good.

POP ALREADY YOU FUCK

>>12123099
7.1 stronk.

>>12123143
it can't keep getting away with it!

Looking at lab cam right now, it looks like the testing equipment gave out before the tank did. There's a hell of a lot of nitrogen spewing out at ground level.

>>12123164
it can't keep getting away with it

>>12123026
Mike McCulloch having a schizo episode again.

>>12123065
There was that postive-energy-only warp drive paper published in August.

>>12122502
Based.

>>12123178
that 7.1 tank is proving to be one tough nigger desu

>thinking phosphine on Venus can be explained by conventional processes

>>12122548
Matt Groening is from the future.
>>12122505
Well at least something is going to go boom.
>>12122879
This. I'm hoping for it to be stronger than they can test.

>>12123225
>thinking some shitty ass space bugs are the exciting option, compared to exotic alien geology.

>>12123236
That simpsons was made during the 2016 campaign.

>Tuesday
>SN8 still isn't fully assembled
5 days left, Musk

>>12123262
>Trusting Elon with deadlines

It’s time to prioritize Venus.

>>12123332
It's time to prioritize ur anus.

>>12123290
>>12123262
Elon Time(tm)

QUANTUM ENTANGLED NUCLEAR RETROGRADE EXOTHERMIC DI-LITHIUM BOOSTER STAGES WITH IRIDIUM ACTIVATED GAUSSIAN TUBES

>>12123406
ZOOM TRANSITION ZOOM TRANSITION WIPE ZOOM TRANSITION ZOOM TRANSITION ZOOM TRANSITION ZOOM TRANSITION ZOOM TRANSITION ZOOM TRANSITION ZOOM TRANSITION

>>12123406
im dizzy

i want to lick jim's armpits

>>12123246
A way earlier simpsons did predict President Trump however.

>>12123175
Cool now all we need is a way to actually mold space time like clay.

>>12123175
STOP. HAVING. FUN.
Physics hates you and doesn‘t want you to be happy.

>>12122686
>y’all

>>12122826
I wish we could/would desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdhObMVE6kQ
dynetics lander thing imminent

>>12123487
Thank you anon nice find

>>12123487

>>12123487
Looks pretty promising. Sometimes I forget just how exciting the next few years are going to be if everything goes well.

>>12123487
>Dynetics is peculiarly located in huntsville alabama
Is Artemis just a welfare jobs program for US aerospace companies?

>>12122667

Aussie here

I'd much rather see us build our own

>>12123501
Dumb question but is Alpaca a name we gave it or is that it’s official name

>>12123512
Yeah, it's tough to get excited about these things though because it's far from guaranteed.

>>12123520
Alpaca showed up in one or two official documents.

>>12123520
I think it was referred to it as such in some document and our pixel art drawfag ran with it. The result is the blessed image above.

>>12123525
Yeah I get that, but just the fact that you now have other companies besides spacex talking about the prospects of colonizing the moon or getting to mars and future space habitations is such an amazing thing.

>>12123513
NASA is a welfare jobs program. The MIC is too.

Did it pop?

>>12123513
Black budget money laundering

>>12123487
Wow, BO and Dianetics both put out HLS mockups. Where is SpaceX crew cabin mockup? Nowhere to be found. Even Elon said they don't care about life support until Starship already flies. RIP SpaceX, they won't be in the downselect.

>>12123487
>it took us 3 months to build this low fidelity test article
bros, this is a huge achievment

>>12123616
A little bird told me we will see it this month (September) at Elon’s annual SpaceX starship update meeting. Expect interior concept art from Tesla’s design team :)

>>12123635
Elon himself said update will be in october.

>>12123616
Unironically I have zero confidence I. SpaceX winning the HLS contract. That being said, I think NASA knows that even if Starship flies to the moon five years after the other landers, it would be a game changer. That’s why they gave them $100 million in seed money.

>>12123512
its gonna be exciting anyway, china is already silently working on a spacex clone, and keep this in mind everyone who works at spacex is a retarded hipster with le reddit mentality, its monumentally easy to bribe them, some of them may do it because they support le swj cultural marxist, some of them may do it for a brand new ukelele if their wifes boyfriend didnt gift them one, and god knows those autists are so fucking vulnerable to a seductive spy, a hot ASIAN spy that its like even the chinese themselves must consider its unsportsmanlike

>>12123695
What? Lmao

>>12123679
Yeah, the way he talked about the $100m being helpful (but not very) + low priority of cabin interiors led me to think Elon doesn't expect to win the downselect either.

Plus Dynetics is in Alabama, and National Team is an oldspace conglomerate. Both of which launch on Vulcan. Pretty obvious who the two downselects are. The only wildcards are how low SpaceX bids for next phase, and whether Jim (if Trump wins) tilts the scale out of oldspace's favor

>>12123695
Lots of spacex workers are libbies, but this is approaching schizo-level anon. Musk keeps them in check. They are allowed to push their BLM bullshit in their freetime on their own social media, but Musk would be damned if someone told him he should put a BLACK LIVES MATTER livery on a falcon 9.

What's worse, a company full of young talent who happen to be liberal but shut the fuck up about it when it comes to getting things done (SpaceX)
Or a company where the CEO continually pushes the progressive agenda even though it's fake as fuck, and the workers are experts at repairing the coffee machine (Blue Origin)

>>12123695
Incels space workers share tech with comrade Xi to further the human space exploration in exchange for hot beautiful spy women, we live in communist utopia in the end, everyone is happy.

>>12123703
Blue Pee™ Coffee Machine

>>12123695
jesus christ dude stop using /pol/

>>12123702
Oooh good point. To be fair it seems Jim has slowly been phasing out SLS in a ship of thesus kind of way, favoring Falcon Heavy to deliver cargo (see ya SLS), launch gateway pieces (bye SLS), lander proposal (haha not today Boeing), etc. This is just a theory of mine... but I'm pretty sure Jim only selected Starship for artemis to BTFO of boeing. He will most likely select the other two, but he also knows Elon is making Starship either way so he gave them money to get on good terms and will always have the option to do another round of lander selectors should Artemis continue its goal way into the future.

To sum up, Jim is almost certainly fucking sick of SLS and is trying to give contracts to SpaceX wherever possible, and he knows Starship will be a viable option in the future should it not get selected as an initial lander

>>12123712
are you gonna tell me what i said is false?.

Imagine a hot chinese spy met one single horny old space guy irl, do you reckon he would give any industry secret away? To put it in youtuber terms, think "scott manley"

Now imagine a lazy low level cia analogue from china tries to seduce a spacex employee who no matter how much money he has was always bullied at school and is a sucker for progressive ideology. He wouldnt even need to send pics, just a short appeal to his self esteem and its done. To put it in youtuber terms think soiboi like everyday astronaut or even worst isaac arthur.

>>12123715
Very true. since Elon is 100% down to fund starship with his own money, better for NASA to fund the other two for redundancy, bonus is lower political risk too

>>12123695
/pol/ fed AI

>>12123715
>To be fair it seems Jim has slowly been phasing out SLS in a ship of thesus kind of way

Imagine if he tries to fool the senators to support SS thinking they were supporting SLS.

How about you annex all of boca chica to alabama, that way the sls jobs stay there. I mean it could literally work since all they care is about taxes and votes and they would get those.

>>12123720
retard

>>12123715
Yeah. Also what’s neat is that Starship can help NASA a lot. Even throwing away Starship (but reusing Superheavy) allows you to put 100+ tons into LEO while under $50 Million. A 10 or 12 meter fairing on an Expendable Starship would let NASA build whatever mars/moon mission they want at a fraction of SLS’ cost.

Once Starship demonstartes it’s ability to refuel in orbit, it’s over for the other landers. A refuelable Starship can at least bring 100 tons of Cargo into the lunar surface in a straight shot (even if it can’t return). I did some retard math which showed that a starship with 100 tons of payload can carry it to the lunar surface (but not back) if it is refueled 9 times.

>>12123723
lol, that was a good joke liberal, im not gonna lie youre alpha material

>>12123720
Dude I think nofap is getting to you. Go clear your mind, so to speak, and think about how most people in aerospace have girlfriends / wives already... and if they don't they are asexual misfits who are married to their work

>>12123720
>are you gonna tell me what i said is false?.
Yes

>>12123729
I’m a Trump voter lmao you’re just a weirdo with yellow fever

>t. Jungle fever masterrace

>>12123725
>Hey Elon, can you call it Starship Launch System so all the legal paperwork says SLS? Thanks
lmao

>>12123728
>Even throwing away Starship (but reusing Superheavy) allows you to put 100+ tons into LEO while under $50 Million. A 10 or 12 meter fairing on an Expendable Starship would let NASA build whatever mars/moon mission they want at a fraction of SLS’ cost.
Are you trying to turn me on? Because it's working.

>>12123728
>Also what’s neat is that Starship can help NASA a lot.
at this point supporting starship is becoming like a moral and personal thing for everyone slightly involved in spaceflight.

I mean imagine if you were a technology enthusiast in a world of horses and this guy was trying to invent the automobile, what wouldnt you do to help him.

I even expect old space employees to start sabotaging their goals (either conciously or unconciously) to further help ss.

I mean the whole SLS seems like one big joke if someone told me it was made to shut down old space it would be very believable, not to mention that failed clock at boeing.

just put disposable rocket out of their misery already, DISPOSE of it

>>12123729
That other guy wasn't me. Thank you so much, that compliment made my day.

>>12123732
Based /pol/ doing anything but continuing the white race.

>>12123742
>unconscious rocket sabotage

>>12122563
"Heeeey VSauce, Michael here.
Skeletons are creepy. But do you know what is also creepy?
Niggers."
:music:

Seeding Europa with hydrothermal vent organisms when?
Just make some chemosynthetic bacteria that produce oxygen and you have a nice ecosystem full of animals and shit

>>12123740
>Are you trying to turn me on? Because it's working.
Within the next 20 years:

-as much LEO stations are there are antarctica bases, institutions with funding similar to colleges get their own.

-Moon base, mars base, venus base.

-Manned missions to all jovian and saturnian moons

-An army of probes/landers/orbiters on all bodies.

-If theres life we'll find it

-Asteroid mining will make some scarce resources plentiful like platinum, industrial applications are enormous

-Cool 0 g industrial procedures will enable previously unknown techs, including 0g 3d printing which allows ultra mega precise structures, for example fucking human organs. Longevity is on its way

I spoke with the space policy guy and asked him when he thought were were going to land on the moon he said 2028 at best.

He's cautiously optimistic about starship, he likes the idea but doesn't think it's gonna be an immediate hit. He brought up the fact that the launch market hasn't caught up to lower prices yet, and the only ones to benefit so far are Starlink.

50-50 on Biden continuing Artemis, says it's becoming kinda political and therefore more dependent on who wins in November.

He also likes Jim Bridenstine even though he himself is hard left, he was an advocate for space even as a rep from OK, which doesn't have a big space sector. Wants him to stay on, although he doubts it.

The funny thing is, he got into the DC scene in 2011, so he's had black pill after blackpill shoved down his throat, so I can understand the skepticism. Hope he's wrong though.

>>12123790
With all this new technology, what would be the 21st century equivalent of someone like Carnegie going from nothing to billionaire? Carnegie ended up horizontally and vertically integrating. What would that be like for the average bum now? You can’t exactly start your own spaceship company on the fly. I suppose you could use start of money to start a mining company where you buy starships and then make d*pots and raw material exports?

>>12123782
I think that Europa is to cold and irradiated to that. You would need a highly specialized bacteria to pull it off.
Also, Titan is better for long term colonization, since Europa is a radioactive shithole.

>>12123793
>50-50 on Biden continuing Artemis, says it's becoming kinda political and therefore more dependent on who wins in November.
How is Artemis that political? Because Trump supported it?

>>12123790
Bro, manned missions to Saturn? That would be a 10 year thing at least.

Under the Obama timeline we'd be lucky if we even get to mars in 20 years.

I'll say, moon and mars base, with plans in the works for a jupiter mission. Maybe a manned(crewed) venus flyby

>>12123753
>>unconscious rocket sabotage
yes, why do you think its so hard?

imagine the guy who was set to handle the starliner clock, he's been a fan of space since he was little, he joined boeing honestly believing it was the better company and that if reusability was reasonable theyd be going for it, he once suggested to his superiors to try it out but they laughed at him and made him run 3 laps around the building because of that. He goes to 3 therapists, he has trouble convincing himself what he does is good. He dreams of elon musk disguised as princess leia telling him "help us boeing guy, youre our only hope", he once dreamt of cutting a valve without anyone noticing, cutting a cable, just one and no one would be the wiser but when he wakes up he feels horrible about it, he looks at himself in the mirror and says "that would be wrong, im not a bad person"
He goes to his job trying to keep the thoughts about spacex and cost effective rockets away, this is the big day, he should double check all of his duties, even the clock... even the clock? . well theres no reason to be so cautios, he did check the clock like... every time before work!, that makes it like 25 times in last month alone, and besides its not like such a hard task just looking at it for a few seconds would confirm if its right or wrong, but the clock is on the ship now he would have to log in, someone would ask him what he was doing, it might look bad on his career, besides other people were working with him the whole time, if the clock was wrong they would have told him.
And without him realizing it, the small voice that sounded in his head, of whos existence he was even barely aware keept insisting "don't check the clock, dont check the clock, dont check the clock" and in the end he listened to it

>>12123808
>Obama timeline

>>12123808
>I'll say, moon and mars base, with plans in the works for a jupiter mission. Maybe a manned(crewed) venus flyby
but you cant deny the shitload of probes, with launch costs so low any idiot could design one, Even crafty high school kids could do it, and with launch costs so low even a 1% success rate would get you a shitload of probes everywhere

Today in history:
>1941 – Miroslaw Hermaszewski, Polish general, pilot and astronaut, was born.
>1948 – The F-86 Sabre sets the world aircraft speed record at 671 miles per hour (1,080 km/h).
>1968 – The Soviet Zond 5 spaceship is launched, becoming the first spacecraft to fly around the Moon and re-enter the Earth's atmosphere.

>>12123810
Either pathetic LARP or you’re a schizo

>>12123824
Soviets did such cool shit with such shitty raw material and fabrication technology. Really weird how ROSCOSMOS doesn’t do missions anymore, but I’m not going to claim to know the politics of modern russia. I guess they just aren’t interested (plus all the data from NASA is free anyways so just wiat for them to do expensive missions)

>>12123828
how do you expect us to believe you understand rocketry if you get triggered by long sentences

>>12123798
Are you that guy who wanted to do the space mining thing? The way forward is probably something like that, but buying starships is gonna be hard.

You're going to need a really good idea and a lot of money, or a fuck ton of mony and someone with good ideas to get carnegie rich right now.

>>12123815
>In his April 15, 2010 space policy speech at Kennedy Space Center announcing the administration's plans for NASA, none of the 3 plans outlined in the Committee's final report was completely selected.[13] The President rejected immediate plans to return to the Moon on the premise that the current plan had become nonviable. He instead promised $6 billion in additional funding and called for development of a new heavy lift rocket program to be ready for construction by 2015 with crewed missions to Mars orbit by the mid-2030s.
Pathetic

>>12123810
I didn't mean to say it wasn't a thing, just a funny concept. I'm glad you misunderstood me though, this shit is gold.
>He dreams of elon musk disguised as princess leia telling him "help us boeing guy, youre our only hope", he once dreamt of cutting a valve without anyone noticing, cutting a cable, just one and no one would be the wiser but when he wakes up he feels horrible about it, he looks at himself in the mirror and says "that would be wrong, im not a bad person"
hahaha

>>12123819
Nah you're right, photon to Venus is proof.

>>12123807
>Because Trump supported it?
That is enough for democrats to basically cancel anything even slightly connected to Artemis including spacex

>>12123833
>ROSCOSMOS doesn’t do missions anymore
they consider joint missions with europe.

The harsh reality is that spaceflight is not interesting to most nations if it isnt as a job program. maaaybe sometimes as a science stimulus thing but most of the time that isnt enough

>>12122621
MENACINGLY

>>12123833
Not only uninterested, but corruption has hollowed out the industry.

>>12123840
I wouldn't say that, SpaceX and Demo-2 mean's they're popular and have visibility. Plus Elon.

Randos don't give a fuck about Artemis. It's funny though, whenever I told people I was interested in space, they used to ask if I wanted to work at NASA.

Now they're asking if I'm going to work at SpaceX. Interesting shift.

>>12123695
6/10, it's got the beginnings of a great pasta, but not epic without a lot of work

It's over, Elon BTFO

https://twitter.com/NASA_SLS/status/1305884165208932353

>>12123828
Loser

>>12123839
>In his April 15, 2010 space policy speech at Kennedy Space Center announcing the administration's plans for NASA, none of the 3 plans outlined in the Committee's final report was completely selected.[13] The President rejected immediate plans to return to the Moon on the premise that the current plan had become nonviable. He instead promised $6 billion in additional funding and called for development of a new heavy lift rocket program to be ready for construction by 2015 with crewed missions to Mars orbit by the mid-2030s.
Of course, the shitty "we've been to the moon already" spiel.

>>12123891
That's cool an all, but it really took them over half a year to gimbal some old engines?

>>12123893
retard

Ideas for terraforming Mars, go
>Plasma magnet sail station at L1 that deflects the solar wind powered by solar concentrator and is a city in its own right
>Comets and water asteroids brought down to raise water table
>Unleash fuckton of CO2, Methane and surface minerals to lower albeido to raise surface temperature
>Sounding rocket, aircraft and vortex chimney spreading of pioneer organisms
>Seeding of higher order plants and animals over time
>Hive cities become groves for wildlife to spread from

>>12123891
>>12123903
just watching that video feels like slomo

>>12123904
>"reading is hard"
>calls others retard

>>12123889
i like this one better desu:>>12123810

>>12123907
just plant some trees duh

>>12123912
Those tend to die without the right conditions, have you never played Spore?

>>12123725
>How about you annex all of boca chica to alabama
>RGV is all blue counties
Sounds like a good idea to me.
t.Texas

>>12123916
No

>>12123824
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zond_5
>The Zond 5 caused a scare in the United States when on 19 September 1968, the voices of cosmonauts Valery Bykovsky, Vitaly Sevastyanov and Pavel Popovich were transmitted from the spacecraft and intercepted by Jodrell Bank Observatory and the CIA. The cosmonauts were apparently reading out telemetry data and computer readings, and even discussing making an attempt to land. At the height of the Cold War, there was a real concern that the Soviets might actually beat NASA to the Moon. Apollo 17 astronaut Eugene Cernan remarked that the incident had "shocked the hell out of us."
>Popovich would later recall: "When we realized we would never make it to the moon, we decided to engage in a little bit of hooliganism. We asked our engineers to link the on-the-probe receiver to the transmitter with a jumper wire. Moon flight missions were then controlled from a command centre in Yevpatoria, in the Crimea. When the probe was on its path round the Moon, I was at the center. So I took the mike and said: "The flight is proceeding according to normal; we’re approaching the surface..." Seconds later my report – as if from outer space – was received on Earth, including [by] the Americans. The U.S. space advisor Frank Borman got a phone call from President Nixon [actually Johnson], who asked: "Why is Popovich reporting from the moon?" My joke caused real turmoil. In about a month’s time. Frank came to the USSR, and I was instructed to meet him at the airport. Hardly had he walked out of his plane when he shook his fist at me and said: "Hey, you, space hooligan!"

>>12123916
why has no one made a legit evolution engine since?? WHY????

>>12123908
space is hard

>>12123925
Why are astronauts so based?

>>12123907
>Cold tundra planet
At least we’ll have a place ready for when we clone mammoths

>>12123910
Agreed. That first guy could learn from the other guy. That's how you make a pasta, you slowly tell a story until it comes to a point where only a true midwit would refuse to admit it was fake.
Also these beautiful russkies: >>12123925

>>12123907
I think really heavy greenhouse gases like SF6 might work, they would sink to the bottom of craters and increase the pressure in them. Would that work at all?

Variable geometry wings on reusable spaceplanes when?

>>12123954
>>12123954
There’s a point where SF6 will be blown out of a crater and scattered to the wind which is far below breathable pressure
It would be good at first but it would soon become ineffective after awhile

>>12123995
What do variable wings help with? Aerodynamic stability I assume? Also
a) How would this be launched without being an SSTO meme?
b) Could something like this carry more cargo than a starship, should it be scaled up big? Are spaceplanes any better than a capsule?

>>12124012
Yeah I figured that, I still think it would be helpful to produce on a large scale.

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2006/01/x-33venturestar-what-really-happened/

>>12123793
Artemis should be cancelled. It's just another half assed project to keep SLS alive.

>>12124091
I don't think the spaceflight community could handle it. I like the way they're running it, CLPS, HLS, gateway cargo, moon samples. They're turning a government program into a stimulus package for commercial space.

>>12122653
then what the fuck is the point of the NRHO orbit

>>12124026

Landing glide.

The shuttle's delta wing gives it an insanely fast landing speed that would otherwise never be safe without a parachute.

Having wings that can be folded back for launch and re entry and then unfolded for the final landing approach gives versatility much more like a general aviation aircraft, even so if it has extendable trailing edge flaps.

If you're really ambitious you can use that versatility to have the orbiter self reposition from one point on earth to another making it a true space plane.

>>12123810
Its funny cause apparently it was software Pajeets who forgot to reset the clock from India time to US time

>>12124111
this

>>12122885
Laser throughput has gotten better. A 1MW free electron laser will give it plenty of range. Especially if we can get it to fly higher.

>>12123891
>Starship needs to be certified to fly Orion before it can replace SLS, that's great, we will do that when Starship is orbital... SLS is good for probably 10 years!

>>12123907
Terraform Venus instead because no one's using it

>>12124177
wouldn't countering stuff like this be fairly simple? Something really reflective like mylar should do the trick.

>>12124183
Venus terraforming efforts would be much better spend building an earth sunshade. Much less effort.

>>12124065
>While the aluminum LH2 tank was much heavier than the composite tank in the skins, the joints were much lighter, which was where all the weight in the composite tank was, due to the multi-lobed shape of the tank requiring a large amount of surrounding structure, such as the joints. Ironically, the original design of the X-33 on the drawing board had the tanks made out of aluminum for this reason – but the cost played a factor for the potential customer base.

>the much-respected former NASA director Ivan Bekey appeared in front of the Subcommittee on Space and Aeronautics, Committee on Science, at the US House of Representatives. His testimony on April 11, 2001, on NASA’s FY2001 budget request ‘Aero-Space Technology Enterprise,’ proved to be the final blow for the X-33 VentureStar.

>His address to US lawmakers stressed that the X-33 had to continue with composite tanks, thus making the project doomed to failure.

The fuck

>>12124181
This tweet was typed with the hands of a dick senator.

>>12124181
You could totally just slam Orion on top of a Starship, you could even sell it as a launch abort system

>Space refueling
>Orbital depots

Is Dynetics based?

So uhh, why haven't we sent a microscope to mars with the sole purpose of detecting life? seems simple enough.

why do scientists insist on incrementalism that takes decades before attempting a serious astrobiology mission? and Perseverance is not even that serious, since they say we won't confirm microfossils until the sample return phase (good luck). We can confirm once we have the samples and we can LOOK AT THEM WITH MICROSCOPES

just please GOD put one on the rover

>>12124205
>Mars just kinda slapped in there like it's a binary system with Earth

>>12124187
>really reflective like mylar should do the trick
If you don’t have a perfectly reflective surface (you won’t), a high energy laser will quickly char a material to the point that it’s no longer reflective. The best counter to a laser is an ablative heatshield, but that’s heavy, and even a modest amount of damage could render the airframe uncontrollable.

>>12124205
If NASA thinks inorbit refuel will be a thing, then Starship's approach has been vindicated.

>Each time the Air Force made requests to take the X-33 project as their own, they found the opportunity denied at the highest level of US government.

>Even when armed with Lacefield’s final comments on the X-33, comments which gave full support to the Al-Li, added to by support from NASA Stennis on the engines, the Air Force – now trying to have their own VentureStar flying by 2012 – found the door of the White House firmly closed shut on any possibility of resurrecting the project.

>Rumors of a final attempt by the Air Force came just last year, only to for them to hear the same answer, likely ending their interest in the vehicle and also the last remaining monument to the X-33 – the state-of-the-art launch facility at the Phillips Test Range, Edwards Air Force Base. Again, it was the White House that vetoed any new evaluations of the X-33.

Imagine if Bekey hadn't been so short-sighted, we would have had the perfect Space Shuttle replacement (Venture Star) halfway completed by the time Columbia happened and sealed the fate of the Shuttle. There would have been no 9 year spaceflight gap.

>>12123720
>>12123703
Was this written by an algorithm? It's like some AI was plugged with a bunch of /pol/ buzzwords and let loose. If it was written by a person I can picture exactly what he looked like.

>>12124226
How fucking cool would it have been for us to have the very first true SSTO, even just for getting to the ISS at least, and then later down the line they might have tested out orbital refueling/depots to take it further out than was ever possible with Shuttle

>>12124216
This ain't NASA though. That said, two of the three HLS contenders are pushing for refueling. And maybe even the National Team's transfer element will need refueling. So NASA better get on board soon.

Fuck imagine the possibilities that open up with orbital refueling and depots

>>12124162
>Its funny cause apparently it was software Pajeets who forgot to reset the clock from India time to US time
but its a very simple error, extremely simple, nothing but extreme incompetence could set that off.

Im a building contractor and altough its not the same i did end up managing projects that are of very big scope, like making 50 towers at the same time. When the stakes are that high you just don't allow that margin of error, its in the work culture. My workers knew that i would not only fire them but literally beat them up for much much less than that silly mistake, and you know what? the other workers would have helped me beat him up because hes jeopardizing their job too.

Who here could just like, make his boss lose all of his profit for a year because he forgot to put in a comma and be fine with it?

its not just ridiculous its totally impossible without extreme negligence, when the stakes are that high i literally double check it myself, i pay other people to double check it, then do it all over again one week later, even if its ultra simple, it can run me 1000-2000 dollars more of costs but it ends up ensuring that a billion dollar proyect doesnt fail. What kind of ultra shitty boss would even let such a critical task depend on just one person and even so, what kind of shitty boss didnt rule out a person who commits those kinds of shitty mistakes waaay way earlier in the selection process, there are 5 billion people in the world, the job market is totally saturated with all kinds of people, you could have honour graduates sweep the floor as an internship and theyll thank you fo rthe opportunity, theres just no excuse to fail

>>12124205
>Need 3 Vulcan launches just for a small lander.
LMAO

>>12124262
someone calculated the difference in error and placed the origin time straight at some city in India or something, check the archives

>>12123793
>He also likes Jim Bridenstine even though he himself is hard left, he was an advocate for space even as a rep from OK
inb4 someone says all liberals hate space

Why does Big Jim use the words SLS and sustainable in the same sentence?

>>12124280
Probably a rhetorical technique.

>>12123907
attach cables from the surface of Phobos to extend out and drag into Mars's atmosphere. It heats up the air and slows down Phobos to eventually crash into the surface releasing enough energy to bring the temperature up.
You can also attach turbines to the cables to power the Phobos base.

>>12124212
good point

>>12124295
Phobos is to Mars what Moon is to us

>>12124276
>all liberals hate space
They may not hate it, but Johnson was the last democrat president to seriously support space exploration at a policy level. The republicans haven't been much better, but at least they pay lip service to the national pride aspect of space achievement instead of wanting the money to be spent on social programs.

>>12123921
>he still thinks votes are counted in acreage

>>12123995

Never unless we find a fool-proof way to protect the pivot mechanism from reentry heat.

>>12124299
The only reason Republican gives a shit about space is because of the NASA centers in the south and jobs. They're happier when NASA wastes money on big dumb expendable LVs.

>It turned out that the "force" at work was the super weak electromagnetic interaction between the Earth's magnetic field and the electronics onboard the EM Drive.

emdrive bros....

>>12124361
lol nice try fagget
>Tajmar found something
This is huge. Tajmar has been shitting on emdrives for a decade, AND he was using a less efficient setup than the Spanish team.

https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1305921133682794503

>>12124295
It should be gradually refined into a giant orbital habitat, with the slag and leftovers being used as mass driver ammunition to bombard the Martian poles.

>>12124364
Call me when they produce thrust in orbit.

>>12124280
It's designed to be sustainably funded.

So if these faggots are not bullshitting us,big IF,would EM Drives allow us to travel at 90+%c?

>>12123995

That's not a spaceplane. That was proposal for a Mach 3 Soviet bomber that never left the drawing board.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_T-4

>>12124129
Lmao no one knows. Jim didn’t say it was IMPOSSIBLE for SLS to get there, he just said “The expectation for Artemis III to not be able to get to the south pole using space launch system should be on the table”
I guess it COULD go to gateway and then go... but i don’t think artemis 3 will use gateway

>>12124208
because they're thick cunts innit

>>12124403
it would allow for infinite energy, probably time travel too

thats the problem when some idiot star trek fan triest to act as he's "a part of" the hard sci fi gang. He starts saying things like "well suppose it were real then what"

then any even vaguely realistic analysis of only part of one of the insane technologies proposed would result in a world so vastly different from what you know that it would be completely unrelatable to any experience you can conceive.

then they go:

-haha well but suppose it were realistic but not "too " realistic

then one goes

-then you get what you already have, star fucking trek and all of the other sci fi in whcih technology is just a fucking pathetic excuse for fixing shitty plots

>>12124412
it's hilarious theyre talking about tiptoing around the requirements of a 50 billion dollar mission to see where they would can get in the only shot they have for 30 years.

its like if theyre planning a trip across the atlantic on a wooden sail ship made by hand which took the entire gdp of the us to make while elon musk is comparable to someone who took half that money and just went out cruising with his own navy battle group.

SLS to starship is like comparing a XV century caravel to a modern nimitz class aircraft carrier

>>12124226
>Fucking huge ass SSTO rocket
>Can only bring a small payload, literally equivalent to the size of about 3 minecraft blocks
Hydrogen is so fucking STUPID

>>12124403
At their current power and efficiency levels, no. Given one or two orders of magnitude efficiency and scaling up to 10MWe input, then probably, with a fission reactor onboard.

>>12124443
It's not stupid,the SSTO concept is.

>>12124432
>it would allow for infinite energy, probably time travel too
Have you considered that whatever unknown mechanism might allow an EM drive to work might also disallow both of those things?

>>12124364
That last sentence is constructed from english words, but they are strung together without any fucking meaning

>>12123487
>dat mulatto milf waifu

>>12123616
>Where is SpaceX crew cabin mockup?
Flying around South Texas.

>>12124457
I think you might just be ESL

>>12124456
why tough? reality isnt a videogame, if youre gonna make up shitty rules why not go full in.

-Hey i made up some rules of reality that are really convenient.
-uhh, thats nice, its fantasy, nothing even remotely related to science tough.
-oh no! wait up, how about if i introduce some limitations to it, then it will be true right? am i sciencing now?
-nopey noper, still just fantasy
-damn bro youre no fun

>>12124443
That was the X-33, not the full VentureStar design. The VentureStar was supposed to have equivalent payload to the Shuttle.

>>12124456
Actually if the math behind quantized inertia works out it should be able to create nanomaterials that produce thrust purely from the quantum vacuum, with zero input. If you can mass produce that shit, life starts looking a lot like Star Wars minus the hyperdrive.

http://www.ptep-online.com/2020/PP-60-02.PDF

I'm interested in learning more about plants, specifically growing plants in non-traditional ways. Hydroponics and other various forms of growing plants indoors. Obviously my intention is to learn about growing plants in space. Any books that can get me started?

>>12124477
Unironically the weed bros have a bunch of resources on that front. Check out "space buckets."

>>12124403
>meme drive bullshit on /sci/ again

>>12124485
Reproduced results in line with a hypothesis by two different labs using two different setups including a long time skeptic of the process means it's not quite as bullshit as it was before. Obviously the jury's still out until the papers are published and someone produces thrust in orbit, but there's at least some potential now.

>>12124503
They had "results" before too

>>12124364
So is there remotely any credibility whatsoever to this being even potentially real? I'm a sucker for crazy cool shit that's probably nonexistent but this really feels like the newest "Cold fusion in a water bottle."

>>12124527
Yes, there's a chance. The fact that the photon loop variant demonstrated thrust means it's very likely not a magnetic or thermal artifact. It could be real, or it could be some other form of experimental error, but those two categories cover most of the false positives in propellantless drive.

The fact that the Chinese university went silent on the EmDrive is interesting though

Did they confirm it and decided to hide it so they could develop it further on their own and get ahead? Or did they realize it was junk but decided not to say anything so that Westerners would be wasting time, money and resources testing it themselves?

Why have the Chinese gone silent on it?

>>12124226

This settles it.

They're actively trying to sabotage manned spaceflight and the space program itself. They want it to be nothing other than a shameless money laundering front that occasionally churns out interesting concepts (which they have no intention of developing) to keep the public fooled.

>>12124543
Keep in mind that Mike is doing this work with DARPA money, so the chinks probably are doing something similar. Northrop-Grumman has a working emdrive some Reddit/NSF guy built in his garage a few years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/63ad2u/announcement_of_who_has_my_1701a_emdrive/

>>12124543
I'm willing to bet their recent mystery spaceplane launch was carrying a test article. They're looking for any edge they can get in space.

>>12124503
>two different setups
bullshit, in both cases the results are explained by the same error, its interaction between the motor and the magnetic field

>>12124568
What motor? The Spanish setup is a photon loop. The input is a laser.

How much do we know about potentially exploitable mineral deposits on Mars, and secondarily any other bodies?

>>12124595
Mars and Mercury have a bunch of metals. 16 Psyche is basically an exposed planetary core MADE of metals.

>>12124595
>>12124641
we have enough metals to build oneil cylinders for 1.000.000.000 the current population idly sitting in the asteroid belts which would require much less delta v that getting it from the surface of a planet you dirty inners

>>12124657
Sure, but planets are cooler and 10000000000 times more appealing to human psychology.

>>12124565
that was my guess too

>>12124657
Normies go crazy spending too much time without a sky. That implies a speciation event at some point if the population outside of planets gets high enough.

>>12124300

>>12124683
*Snort*
“Superior shut-in incels with no souls will totally get back on those normies one day.
*snort*

Well if EmDrive doesn't pan out, maybe MEGA drive will?

https://futurism.com/nasa-funded-scientist-new-thruster-light-speed

>>12124695
>he thinks we wouldn't

>>12124725
You won’t. You’ll die alone, unhappy, and will never go past airplane altitude. All astronauts are gigachads

>33 Vulcans already sold
>SMART isn't working yet
>66 BE-4s
How mad is Aerojet Rocketdyne that they missed this bid?

Daily reminder that resource depletion on earth will collapse civilization and kill billions

>>12124675
>implying weak people who worry about such things like soiboi weak snowflake SJW interpretation of psychology have any place in the future of humanity.

Oh youre serious let me laugh even harder

>>12124657
This. Space habitation is a significantly better option than colonizing pretty much any planets in our solar system. Venus is the only one that might be able to support humans without fucking them up but even then that's either as floating sky colonies (which are nowhere as good for building living room for people) or terraforming it (which would take a fuckton of effort and time that we don't have right now), thus leaving space habitats until we have the means to terraform it. But even after that it would probably be mostly a tourist planet or some sort of national-park planet for Earth life, like a Noah's Ark.
>>12124675
Cooler? Definitely, but not if you're gonna end up super lanky and weak or like an actual dwarf.
>>12124683
In an economy where humanity is building mass amounts of colonies in space for large amounts of people to live off-Earth it would be absolutely no problem to take a vacation down to the planet to enjoy some natural nature.
Regardless, why would we put people in space who can't handle living in space even when pretty much all of their needs are met (including livable gravity)?

>>12124733
God I wish

>>12124729
Me? No, of course not, but there may be billions of autismos stuck living in cylinders one day that wish to break away from the e*rthnoids that have their souls weighed down by gravity.

>>12124757
>Cooler? Definitely, but not if you're gonna end up super lanky and weak or like an actual dwarf.
you can have rotating habitats on the surface

>>12124732
ORBITAL

REFUELING

>>12124757
>Regardless, why would we put people in space who can't handle living in space even when pretty much all of their needs are met (including livable gravity)?
We wouldn't, and that's where the speciation comes in. People who can handle living in space will almost all wind up living in space.

>>12124760
Also there's a possibility of gene/chemical therapies to inhibit muscle loss now. You'd use the spinning stations as places to raise children and do other things that required gravity.
https://www.space.com/mice-muscle-bone-loss-microgravity-myostatin.html

>>12124760
But why bother? That's like the worst of both worlds. You'd basically have to build giant centrifuge machines and that would be all sorts of trouble that just wouldn't be worthwhile.

Lol Elon backed the wrong horse. It's over.

>>12124754
Ah yes, because the men who builtthe foundations of life as we know it were bugmen. Oh wait, the estromen only came out AFTER sci fantasy ideas like the O'Neill cylinder happened.

>>12124774
Elaborate.

>>12124364
Interesting that Tajmar guy is involved in testing both EmDrive and Woodward's MEGA drive >>12124696

>>12124783
meant to post https://www.wired.com/story/mach-effect-thrusters-interstellar-travel/

>For the first time, the pair could see the MEGA thruster lurch forward with their own eyes. Sure, it was only scooting a half millimeter, but at least it was visible.

big if true

>>12124772
>You'd basically have to build giant centrifuge machines
just like in space, i mean exactly like in space down to the advantages of being able to build in vacuum, literally the only difference is that your centrifuges need less speed and have their floors at a slight slope, thats literally it...

oh and youre already within walking distance of a huge fuckton ultra diverse array of raw materials that cost 0 delta v to get

>>12124757
>Cooler? Definitely, but not if you're gonna end up super lanky and weak or like an actual dwarf.

Evolutionary divergence is desirable and good. Fuck off with your worship of stagnation.

>>12124778
i didnt understand a single war, but i admire your enthusiasm

>>12124793
A lot of wars were funded by rich dynasties, like the Rothschilds.

>>12124771
Those chemical treatments only fix muscle and bone loss, but those are far from the only things micro-g negatively affects in a person.
>>12124788
But you are guaranteed to have to deal with actual gravity then, rather than being able to put all of the things that aren't gravity-sensitive out in a super easily accessible zero-g environment. Plus the habitats can't be easily expanded and you constantly have to produce more power to keep them spinning. The only thing that on-planet spinning habitats would possibly be good for would be habitation for people who would need near immediate access to something down on the planet at a moment's notice.
>>12124792
Wrong. There's already enough genetic divergence in humanity to cause uncountable problems.

>>12124781
Have you been living in a bubble? Everyone will want to go to Venus now.

>>12124813
racist

>>12124836
life on Venus means you DON'T want to go there so you don't screw it up
can't touch the life or you'll get it dirty

>>12124836
Explore, sure. Colonize, no. Any Venus exploration would come at the expense of probes to elsewhere, not moon/Mars programs.

>>12124466
But we're literally in a simulation. Why do you think we have such retarded laws like the speed of light,quantum uncertainty, and planck size? They're hardcoded programming limits.

>>12124884
Also, negative Kelvin temperatures acting like really high positive temperatures? Classic signed float wraparound error.

https://www.physicscentral.com/explore/action/negative-temperature.cfm

>>12124862
He didn’t even mention race he just said one family.

QI

When is 7.1 testing?

https://phys.org/news/2020-08-russia-venus-reusable-rocket.html

REUSABLE RUSSIAN ROCKET

CHINA ALSO ON IT

oh its on, its so fucking on

fuck venusian ayyniggers
fuck erf
and most of all,
fuck jannies

thank you

>>12124953
Nah venusians are cool for now but they are approaching popsci territory. They are half gay. If it turns out no life is there and it's just some cool geology making phosphines then Venus is back on the keno menu. Everything else here is correct though; thanks anon

>>12124830
>Wrong

Read a biology textbook fuckhead

>>12124950
>But Roscosmos lamented that repeated budget cuts risked threatening many of the programmes.

>"I don't quite understand how to work in these conditions," he said. "We are seeing that leading foreign space agencies are increasing their budgets."

>>12124950
>The head of Russia's space agency said Friday that Roscosmos wants to return to Venus and bring back soil samples and build spacecraft that will surpass Elon Musk's rockets.
WE GOT TOO COCKY AMERIBROS

>>12124950
US contractors are utterly corrupt and lazy, now multiple it by hundred and you get Russian.

>>12124978
Quick someone post that “sell your rockets to Elon Musk. Who?” meme

>>12124950
I guess he didn't like Musk's comment about the trampolines.
Or maybe losing out on like $160 million, who knows.
>>12124961
Have you seen any humans, ever?

>>12124963
NASA, ESA and JAXA aren't going to buy seats anymore, no more 9 year long monopoly on spaceflight.
Eventually Russian manned programme will be canceled.

>>12124983

>>12124990
Diversification is how life survives.

>>12124733
there's a whole solar system of resources to go get, dummy

>>12124978
>>12124979
hey thats kinda unfair russia has a strong rocket engineering and scientist tradition, they also have an extremely low workforce, not as cheap as the chinese but much more qualified for the price.
if they get their shit together they have a chance

>>12124978
>return to Venus and bring back soil samples
Is it even possible to return a soil sample from Venus?

>>12125038
just put balloon + SRB on the lander grab sample, inflate balloon and float up to thinner atmosphere, fuck off back to orbit with the SRB and go home

>>12124953
what did venusians ever do to you theyre just chilling in the atmosphere and these increidbly pervert and nosey scientist use humanities greatest technical tools and many years of research just to point out the venusiasn farts, and are now publishing everywhere about it and even expect to get prizes, what a bunch of assholes.

>>12125036
They won't, mafia state isn't interested in technological advancement if it doesn't involve weapons for internal suppression.

>>12125038
Yes we were discussing it a few threads back. It's tricky but possible. Rugged lander scoops shit up and flies up with balloons. Rendezvous with a zeppelin in the upper atmosphere. Sample is transferred to an electron or pegasus or something and air launched into Low Venus Orbit where it is collected and brought back to earth. Names for the mission include 4GAS, SHITAR, Hindenburg, and Spirit of Von Braun

>>12125047
are you saying the ussr was better than what they have now?

also even assuming mafia state, putin is quite capable of just doing it for personal reasons, remember just like stalin hes like a monarch

>>12125022
Not possible to meet resource demands with space resources without Star Wars tech.

>>12124999
Current humans aren't diverse enough for that to be relevant, or at least not enough to outweigh the negatives it's brought. Making them more diverse also still wouldn't be enough to make it worthwhile. It's significantly better to make sure all humans can actually recognize all other humans as human rather than needlessly turning them into overly-specialized beings that could at best barely survive on other human colonies.

>>12125036
I mean same thing goes for (((Boeing!))) There's always a chance to turn things around but you need the ambition and funding. At least boeing has the funding. I feel bad for the russians because none of the oligarchs give a shit

>>12125054
Putin is braindead kgb soldier frunt, he wasn't some James Bond superagent.

>>12125067
Opposite sides of the spectrum:
• Boeing has the funding but no ambition (other than more money)
• Russia has the ambition but no funding

>>12125054
>are you saying the ussr was better than what they have now?
In terms of technological development? Yes, unironically. Their aerospace industry went to complete shit after 1991. Energia+Buran was incredible.

>>12125067
>Boeing!)
boeing literally cannot do something else because corrupt politician depend on it for votes and pay off to senators

roscosmos is literally the opposite, its a bunch of basically slaves. Its closer to being a part of the army than a normal corporation theyll do whatever the fuck the monarch wants, its just that so far he hasnt shown any interest in it but the day he does he can make them change direction in a heartbeat

>>12125083
>Their aerospace industry went to complete shit after 1991
so youre saying that losing world hegemony and entering the worst economic crisis in your history could have affected expenditure in things that are not even remotely necesary? what a shock
>>12125070
show me on the doll where putin touched you

>>12125064
If we have an ACTUAL resource crunch on Urf the price of the resources affected by the shortage would rise until it reaches a level where it can be economically mined with chemical rockets and ion propulsion. Then the Magic Free Market will quickly iterate on propulsion technology until we're living in an Expanse style dystopia with poor beltalowdas flying around in clapped out torch drive mining ships.

>>12125097
You should see videos where he openly mocks civilians for their misery.

>>12125101
what do you expect, he's a fucking monarch, like literally, like stalin like the tzar, he is the sovereign ruler of russia.

I don't like it but personally i think its much more sadder when americans think western democracies have freedom in them.

Does anyone have the pasta of the mutant furries on mercury?

>>12125098
>Da magic free market will magically solve resource shortages with magic even though we need literal billions of tons of resources a year

>>12125111
>you see, comrade, we are just as free as american!
>in america, you are free to call trump an orange and obama a nigger!
>in russia, we are also free to call trump an orange and obama a nigger!

>>12125125

>>12125125
actually yes
that or people will not use said resources

>>12125129
>>you see, comrade, we are just as free as american!

its more like, they are both unfree. Seriously, russia is 100% a monarchical dictatorship ill give you that, but western democracies arent a place where people are free, youd have to be a truly a brainwashed idiot to believe that, sadly theres a lot of those

>>12125134
also torch drives aren't magic, something like a nuclear salt water rocket would work fine; there just hasn't been a market demand for them yet

>>12125134
>actually yes

That is literally impossible within the timeframe of resource shortages in our near future.

> that or people will not use said resources

So billions will die and living standards will collapse. Point proven

>>12125135
No place on Earth is truly free except that one weird triangle in Africa with no government. Freedom exists on a sliding scale. America is more free than Britain is more free than Russia is more free than China is more free than North Korea.

>>12125141
1. The entire world doesn't exist at western standards of living
2. Billions will die. This isn't up for debate, climate change has ensured that.
3. This is why Musk wants a Foundation on Mars.
4. Torch drives are absolutely a magic panacea and pretending they aren't is as silly as pretending the Earth isn't warming.

>>12124950
>Rogozin said he was not impressed with the SpaceX spacecraft, saying its landing was "rather rough"
yeah, that nigger is seething HARD

>>12123725
texas would throw a fit about losing a mars spaceport

SINK THE CHINK
https://www.airforcemag.com/ula-ditched-chinese-owned-supplier-it-worried-could-be-spying/

>>12123799
are you a retard? the vents on europa are underneath several kilometers of ice and then around a hundred kilometers of water. no radiation penetrates that deep

>>12123808
SpaceX missions anon, not NASA missions.

>>12125159
Tory has a magnificent mustache

>>12125151
I wonder when he says it "wasn't designed to land on land" if he meant Dragon? That's the only way it makes sense. I do like that Roscosmos has finally figured out that
>russia is good at engines
>starship blueprints are pretty much publicly available at this point, just add your own avionics and engines
>???
>original starshipski do not steal

>>12125164
>>original starshipski do not steal
honestly i think thats what theyre doing, they will do the same as they did with space shuttle, letting the us do all the heavy lifting in the R&D and then cashing in with an improved version of it with the advantage on not being tied up to all the initial design mistakes, only this time they are not in a hurry, soviets thought having a space shuttle signified some sort of strategic advantage so they hurried to have one. This time they can easily just wait to see how they do and then just copy the design and be done with it.

Hell, merely starting out hte design process with the knowledge that what you want to do is technically possible is a huge advantage.

I think also chinks and basically all of the world is waiting for that, once starship+superheavy flies everyone will put their own clone development on overdrive

>>12125164
Dragon was definitely what he was talking about. With all that shit he's talking, I hope they produce something cool. What an exciting time to be alive.

>>12124732
BE-4 isn't working yet either for that matter.

>>12125176
this, i hope they are literally offended and drop an unreasonable amount of resources in doing something impressive. Russians are literally a walking inferiority complex regarding europe/the us, most of the time this makes them act as spergs but sometimes they channel that energy and good things come out

>>12125125
There's enough resources in space for humanity to survive in space. We don't need Earth. If it can't support everyone that's living on it, too bad.

>>12125151
I's like, actual cope

>>12125173
Honestly a Buran style Starship makes my rocket become the Big Fucking Rocket. And would probably be the final nail in the coffin for SLS.

>>12125159
Last time Tory did not look like Lee Van Cleef.

Good article on nuclear-electric power supplies. Important whether you're feeding a VASIMR or a QI thruster.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00295450.2020.1738173

10GW MPD thrusters when?

>>12125173
>just copy the design and be done with it.
Chief component of Starship and Falcon are not tanks or engines, but software, and Russia is 30 years behind.

>>12125202
Once laser ignited fusion works reliably on moving pellets.

>>12125203
>software
russia could brute force it if needed, they have a very strong hacker community, just mix it up with some indian and chinese hackers and you could easily brute force what you need

>>12125202
When we get fusion-electric or antimatter-electric propulsion :^)

>>12125211
Stealing software isn't a replacement for knowing how software works, same reason why China is still struggling to produce it's own jet engines even though they've probably stolen the specs and designs for the most up to date engines that exist.

>>12125214
China also sucks donkey dick at metallurgy, something the Russians do not.

>>12124950
lol, they can't even make the fucking Angara work.
Go sell RD's to China, Rogozin. I'm sure that'll last for a little while until they can copy them.

>>12125214
>Stealing software isn't a replacement for knowing how software works
but they can brute force the issue with a combination low wages and political pressure they can get say, 1 million programmers working 24/7 on a problem until they achieve the same result that americans got with 10.000 of their smart programmers

>>12125222
>fucking Angara work.
im pretty sure the problem with angara is drunk russian workers getting into fist fights

drunk russian hackers work just fine

>>12125225
That's not how software works. There's no substitute for smart programmers. See Starliner and the 737 MAX.

>>12125227
You think drunk Russian workers will make heads or tails any better of the new blueprints, only in English?
I think you're overestimating squatting balaclava hackers too by the way.

I think out of russia within a decade or two we'll see a fully reusable methalox rocket with 20-40 ton to LEO payload capacity as a starship clone.

>>12125225
That's like saying 1000 monkeys will write novel if they sat in front of typewriter.

>>12125225
Can they though? China has had D E C A D E S now to build a homemade turbojet and they still have nothing that can compete with the PF100 or PF135. Now to my knowledge Russia has made no effort to steal US rocket avionics systems, they're still having trouble with which way is up for their guidance gyros.
I'm not sure what your chain of logic is from point A (now) where Ivan and Boris have trouble putting the guidance system into the rocket facing in the right direction, to point B of them not only copying but modifying top quality US grown avionics to suit their needs.
I don't know what you think you know about proprietary software either, but generally from what I've heard if you have one team write a proprietary code for something and they spend years working on it and customizing it, if they're suddenly no longer in the picture the new team is essentially fucked.

>>12125209
If you've got several targetable giant lasers for an engine, how much extra effort would it be to have them be aimed at other ships?

>>12125253
Given how fussy fusion lasers are it'd probably be simpler to have other lasers of equivalent power pointed elsewhere.

>>12125242
doubtful, only if it's a lend lease from china. They really are far behind.

>>12125243
nah its like saying that 100.000 quite smart people can probably do something thats comparable to what 1 very smart person does

>>12125111
>>12125101
No wonder Trump idolizes him so much

>>12125313
dilate

>>12125111
>what do you expect, he's a fucking monarch, like literally, like stalin like the tzar, he is the sovereign ruler of russia.

Literally the way society should be.

>>12125242
That's far too late to be even remotely relevant by then. That is- assuming Elon doesn't get assassinated and oldspace lobbies congress to break up SpaceX because of some sort of monopoly or who knows what. By probably 2025 it won't be economical for anyone else to build or launch their own rockets anymore. Though that's based on the (patently false) assumption that every organisation would make the most logical decisions.

>>12125125
A free market would absolutely address any and all resource shortages- but part of the fix might involve some people not living anymore.

>>12125287
Russia doesn't have them, everyone smart has left for higher salary.

If we need to do a venus sample return why don't we just do a flyby? Like just have the periapse within the atmosphere layer you want to sample and dump your skill points into heat shields. You don't need to stop if its just gas you're looking for

>>12125287
I actually doubt this, 100 top level amateur chess players collaboratively played against a GM like Kasparov or another, and lost. Really smart people are really smart.

>>12124978
I want to be 20 years old again with a full head of hair and the knowledge of exactly which companies to invest in and when to make myself a bazllionaire

Doesn't mean it's going to happen

>>12124725
Australia has it coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OgElbfvxww

>>12125431
Try harder and what you desire will come

>>12125460
Truly a fucking monumental day in history. My dad has a photo of him and his parents and his ten siblings crowded around their small black and white television. This event would have been amazing to see live; I wonder if the first Artemis mission will be ANYWHERE as big?

>>12125513
Maybe escaping Earth will be a big enough novelty to generate similar hype. The first Mars mission will be the big one, would love to fly across the pond for it.

>>12125551
>The first Mars mission will be the big one
Agreed.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST

>>12125551
First Mars mission will be dope. Hopefully SJW progressivism will be dead by then so we don't have the news / twitter focusing only on how its a "waste of gooberment money that should be used for welfare" or dumb shit like that

>>12125630
That stupid shit will never die out on Earth, resources are too easy to access for retards to unfuck their stupid shit. Permanent space colonies will hopefully have significantly reduced retard activist movements, because people will be busy actually building and maintaining a good life for themselves.

Can we build a badass Jules Verne underground world on Mars?

>>12125641
Given time.

>>12125641
>>12125651
A lot less time if we can seal/pressurize existing lava tubes rather than dig our own.

>>12125658
Enter: the boring company

Soooooooo there's a guy who has modified a plasma magnetic sail in such a way that it can easily decelerate using the interstellar medium. He says a staged concept should easily be able to get up to .3 c.

I'm very VERY confused that this concept gets as little attention as it does. It's not based off of magical physics or anything.

>>12125639
It'll die out eventually. Worst case scenario it takes until the people living off-Earth have enough power to pressure Earth into getting rid of it. Some way or another it will go; it's completely unsustainable.

>>12125670
Why do people like you never link to their sources or even bother to try and fucking explain their claims?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1305977917843873799?s=20
I wonder who he wanted to insult. Maybe he wanted to diss Russia's space program again. Maybe he wanted to brag about funding the financial investigation that killed NKLA.

>>12125217
the Soviets were pretty good at metallurgy, does that knowledge survive in modern Russia?

>>12125712
soviets and russia is the same thing. Russians have an extremely dominant culture, they behave exactly the same when they have a tzar or a first comrade or a """""""president""""""", its all the same shit with different name, its an excidingly central political structure, every last bit of the countrys organization is almost directly controlled by moscow, and moscow is almost directly controlled by the lead figure

>>12125724
okay Putin

>>12125726
why would putin admit hes as despotic as stalin and the tzar?

>>12125738
the joke is that he's confusing Moscow's control with the skilled labour needed to do metallurgy, which has either fled Russia or died

>>12125670
sorry,it's ex-XCOR Jeff Greason. There is a JBIS paper on it but it's paywalled sadly. It builds off of Zubrin and John Slough. It's basically like if a meme drive actually worked and violated no known laws of physics.

>>12122511
If starship is a thing, small rotating habitat with lunar, martian, and earth gravity rings to study gestation and development in lower gravity. Launch up some astronauts and a fuck ton of rats and shit.

>>12125101
Link some.

If someone on here were to theoretically start a space themed Youtube channel, what topic would you want to see?

>>12125837
Racism

>>12125837
Technical details about rockets, physics of spaceflight, the engineering behind engines, risks&rewards of theoretical advanced fuels. Comparing normal propulsion systems to advanced and futuristic systems like antimatter or Bussard ramjets.
What I don't want to see is politics or your opinion or speculation on things. Just the facts.

>>12125837
Probably a focus on the smaller, or perhaps i should say, less flashy parts of space. Everybody talks about rockets, and I like rockets, and most normal people like rockets, but plenty of people make videos about rockets. Topics like growing food or managing a space habitat or just the things people don't really think about when talking about space.
Honestly there's really a lot to talk about, because we're on the verge of a completely new type of human living that's only sort of been tested so far on a select few individuals throughout history. We're gonna be going from a few astronauts going up into space every year to thousands if not millions a year, and there's a lot more to talk about than just the vehicles we use to get into space.

>>12125837
thicc SLS boosters

>>12125845
No african launch industry to make fun of sadly, chinese are fair game through.

>>12125852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGaGBImx62A

I've thought of doing something like this but for rockets and rocket concepts. As for politics, you're 100% right. And my opinion really isn't worth too much, it's what I don't like about people like angry astronaut, they don't know enough to have such strong views.

>>12125761
>>12125678
/sfg/ discussed that a while ago, and even emailed Greason about it. Basically there are two problems - you can't accelerate towards a star and you need monstrous delta V to brake into orbit except at Neptune or from interstellar/relativistic cruise. The staged idea you're discussing is the Q drive - fusion or antimatter drive to reach .01-.03c, then enabling the Q drive and surfing the heliopause to accelerate to interstellar velocities of >0.2c.

https://tauzero.aero/a-reaction-drive/

/sfg/ really needs a wiki for this

>>12125845
Spacism.

>>12125837
Life support, habitats, artificial ecosystems etc.

>>12125866
Interesting take, I'll look into it. Biographies of lesser known people to the public like James Webb and Harrison Schmitt are another non-rocket topic I'd watch personally

>>12125898
Noted

>>12125837
A timeline of potential future human colonization and related efforts across the solar system.
I.E.
>small permanent Moon base with cycling crew
>initial Mars colony and its growth
>expansion and additions of space stations in orbit of Earth (including initial artificial gravity stations for both testing and living)
>space stations in Lunar and Martian orbit (used for more than just communication and more easily moving things on and off Mars)
>initial very small floating colony on Venus
>sending manned expeditions to other planets' moons
>initial asteroid belt mining infrastructure getting set up
>construction of significant space industry allowing for in-space production of many things required for space operations as well as full space station habitats likely in some Earth/Moon Lagrange point
There's really just such massive amounts of speculation to be done that theories of what will, would, or could happen could be busted or proven in relatively short timescales.
That being said, I'm still convinced that Starship will spearhead most of this (or whatever happens in its place).