/sci/ - Science & Math

>>12111319
>did something happen to collectively undermine peoples perception of reality?
Yeah, it's called untrustworthy government

>>12111319
The internet happened. Now all the village idiots can find each other, followed by con men who separate them from their money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9qv8RSreIM

>>12111323
but it seems like in the past year there has been a real explosion.
almost as if there was some kind of watershed moment, but i can't think what that might have been.

>>12111329
Could've been yet another massive paedophile ring involving the world's elite or something. Like the Dutroux affair, or the UK cases, like that.
We had any more big stories like that where the majority of the big connections got off scott free recently?

>>12111319
Internet and mass communication in general
People distrust authority figures (especially ones smarter than them)
Low levels of education and intelligence

>>12111329
RICE
Russia+Impeachment+Corona+Election

>>12111339
this is such a reddit post

>>12111319
Social Distancing

>>12111341
cope

>>12111343
coping with what? you're not even using it right

>>12111345
stop quoting your mom

>>12111329
>but it seems like in the past year there has been a real explosion.
You grew up and became more socially aware.
It's been increasing for quite a while now.

>>12111319
money printer go burr happened

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM

>>12111319
Hard to tell. But one particular consequence seems to be the inability to process polyphonic music (80's pop + most if not all metal) which means it has to be recent.

>>12111322
internet happened

I don't know why you're posting a picture of Jones when he's right about ~80% of the things he says.

>>12111444
Checked

>>12111445
OK, schizo.

>>12111444
oh ok thanks I trust the government and the media and elite pedo rings don't exist now

>>12111319
Hard to tell. But one particular consequence seems to be the inability to process polyphonic music and a lot of music was polyphonic decades ago (think of the mortal kombat theme) which means it has to be recent.

>>12111373
Fractional reserve would work exactly the same with gold coins.

>>12111373
You borrow money to put it in a bank? That's kind of stupid.

>>12111319
>the schizoomer conspiracy is why i'm a whiner
take your meds, schizoomer.

>>12111329
>in the past year
been happening since the 70s and 80s. wake the fuck up

>>12111348
bruh

>>12111743
learn to read you fucking idiot
bank loans money, debtor pays money to someone else, the person (or people) who receive that money put it in the bank, and then the bank loans that money out again

>>12111790
and how is this a bad thing? let me guess, its because of THE JEWS

>>12111319
Something about our structures of organization are similar to the structure of a prison, and we are getting these severe master/slave dynamics eliciting all these insane psychological responses from people depending on their situation
Then you have the internet getting every group that exists, at every level of resolution they exist at, together in their own echo chambers, and they’re going even more insane
Combine that with the fact that people up top are certainly fanning the flames, yeah people are going a little nutty these days

My question is is it possible to organize in a way that doesn’t have these master/slave dynamics, or is it inherent in any social structure humans make when they collect

>>12111798
I just corrected your stupid misreading of a simple diagram you fucking idiot. I didn't say anything except how it works.

>>12111319
>did something happen to collectively undermine peoples perception of reality?
umm...

For me personally. My mother brought home. Back to the future. 1/2/3.

Ans when I asked her why she had to watch them. She said she had to write a report on them.

So I watched movies. As if i would right a report on them if i ever went to college from 2nd grade onward.

And after a while.. all the movies. Seem to be reusing the same plots. Just in a different way.

Like men in black.. people want to think "aliens" when it is closure to entities/thoughts.

A normal guy.. gets picked out by a secret organization after stumbling on their hide out.. and to prove he is better then the rest.. shoots a card board child in the head. With seemingly good reason. But it would have been the same as shooting a smart kid in the head. (It was a role.. not will Smith's prefences). And then an entity took over a common farmer. And suddenly he could move with out being noticed and escaped quickly. But his emotional attachment to those he considered like himself.. leas to his demise.

Same think for the movie recently about the cia.. taking this one guy and having him run cocaine out of his plain.. what is the difference between men in black and cia? If they both prefer to work in the shadows. ... it's not about the truth of the matters. Its about the concepts.

And will smith said he has only down roles in high positions. I don't feel like hancock was a emotional high point. It was a guy who didn't know who he was. And became a drunkard. Who didn't really want to help anyone.. unless they annoyed him too. It just feels bad. That he is going to put himself in the position of being a slave. When the genie role was the same thing. But I am sure the movie will still be good. It just sucks. All this time of moving away from slavery... and then accepting a position to be a slave... not for the money but just for the point of respecting slaves in the past? Idk maybe I am over thinking it.

>>12111319
My guess would be
>Government constatly breaks trust
>internet makes ideas more easy to spread, can even use spooky jpegs!!
>Most people never went to higher education or took an interest in higher learning
>It's fun being in a group of people who agree with you
All of that and you got a nice schizo-conspiracy thing going

How do conspiracy theorist schizos get a phd or even a masters degree?

>>12111483
No because you can't just give out money that you don't have

>>12112577
It's that they ignore the seemingly underlining patterns... until... they dive to deep into the sauce.. like trying to figure out exactly how the pyramids were made..

And then there was a picture of an old jar that had copper tubes sticking out of them.. and no one could figure out it's purpose. But for me. It kind of looks like a battery pack. Where you store liquid in a box and have copper tubing protruding the box. Ans the acidity levels. Causes a small electrical current. Wether the jar was for that purpose of not. No clue. But that is the only resemblance it has to modern day things. Which wouldn't power much beyond cheap light bulbs. And just shocking a friend.

The Egyptians even did minor surgeries... but people thought surgeries and dissecting human corpse were vile and inhuman. Until a woman thought that her baby wasn't ever going to be born. She told the doctor.. he said give him a bit of time.. he dug up the grave of a pregnant woman and dissected it. And then check the 11month pregnant woman. And turns out she had a tumor. And that wasn't the doctors first time digging up graves to dissect corpses.

Human populations are weird. Forgetting how to do surgery.. to relearning how to do surgery. We will probably forget again at some point. If a mad max world apocalypse happens.

>>12112577
outright fraud or degree mills.
occasionally, mental degeneration with age.

Conspiratorial thinking was common on both sides of the French revolution, it's a heuristic gone awry more commonly during times of social upheaval.

>>12111319
Just trust the lying kikes in government and corporations. Theyre looking out for you

>>12111319
It's social media/smartphones. My mum recently got her first smartphone and now she is constantly what sapping me illuminati reptilian conspiracies. it's seriously worrying because she was never like this before. I try to tell her to not believe everything she sees on YouTube but she just laughs and keeps consuming. A lot of not so tech savvy people don't understand how easy it is to fake pictures/videos and spread misinformation on the internet.

>>12111452
I am not a schizo and I am more intelligent than you.

>>12112806
OK, schizo.

>>12111319
Daily reminder that the CIA intentionally pushed the phrase "conspiracy theory" with negative connotations in order to stigmatize anyone who questions the official narrative.

>>12111319
DON'T QUESTION AUTHORITY.
THE OFFICIAL NARRATIVE IS ALWAYS CORRECT.
WE HAVE YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.
WE ARE WORKING FOR YOU!
JUST SIT BACK AND CONSUME!

>>12112902
If you want to go up against authority its helpful to have a realistic picture of them rather than interdimensional reptoids who've planned every major event for centuries. How can you go against such a power, you can't. Conspiracy theories lead to inaction.

>>12112928
>strawman to discredit anyone who questions authority
Yes, go back to sleep, anyone who doubts the government is CRAZY man!

>>12112932
Keep chasing a phantasm instead of the real power structure then I guess.

>>12111322
JFK, Vietnam & Watergate

>>12111329
Humanity is just now entering the Photon belt, the vibratory thoughtform prison trapping our planet in a lower mode of consciousness is beginning to break down (scientifically speaking)

>>12112590
Yes, you can. It makes no difference if it's physical coins or numbers in the computer.

>>12111445
>He thanks the bloated b.s. jones uses to sell his onions encased products is """"right"""
That brain Farce doing its job all right.

>>12112577
Schizo onsets right around that time. Also worthless degree mills exploit legit schizos as they crave the legitimacy of a title to spout their bullshit.

>>12112803
Also these. After decades of everyone else being online, boomers have finally figured it out and now believe any old wuack that tickles their stupidity/ego gland.

>>12114731
Name a conspiracy that Alex Jones talked about that didn't turn out to be true.

>>12111460
>i don't trust the government, so the government and media are always lying and elite pedos are everywhere

>>12112902
Questioning authority with evidence and reason is a good thing. Resorting to ad-hoc conspiracy theories because you're operating from the assumption of conspiracy at all times is not a good thing.

>>12114741
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Alex_Jones#List_of_conspiracist_views_held_by_one_Mr._Jones

>>12114762
>rationalwiki
not a valid source. Try again.
And also, of those listed, about ~80% of them turned out to be actual conspiracies anyway. So that doesn't falsify what I originally posted.

>>12114784
>random schizo on 4chan
Not a valid source. Try again.

>>12114750
But you just do the opposite and bitch and cry whenever someone tells you something that you weren't graded on by a fat dyke

>>12114762
so what you're saying is that you cannot name one single thing Alex was wrong about and had to frantically google it? Why are you trannies like this?

>>12114837
>But you just do the opposite and bitch and cry whenever someone tells you something that you weren't graded on by a fat dyke
I do? You sure you're not just making things up and making baseless assumptions?

>>12114784
>about ~80% of them turned out to be actual conspiracies anyway
Anything Alex or any conspiracy theorist has been "right" about is already public knowledge. That's how they reel in an audience, they present public knowledge and tie it up with unsubstantiated conspiracy theory and use the public knowledge as evidence for it. This is why there are so many dimwits on the internet going around screaming "Icke was right!!!11".

>>12114839
What was Alex Jones right about?

>>12114839
I gave you a list of many single things he was wrong about. What are you complaining about exactly? You already admitted 20% of the list is wrong. But of course you have given 0 evidence any of it is right.

There have always been schizos but they used to direct their energy towards religious pursuits where they couldn't do much harm. The average human is barely sentient, we're giving them far too much leeway.

'Member the election of Trump? 'Member the Brexit vote? All of the experts and intellectuals claimed that Hillary/Remain would win. They we're wrong and made to look like utter retards. As a result people felt like they we're entirely justified in ignoring them. After all, they missed two of the biggest sociopolitical upsets of our age so why should they be taken seriously?

I'm not saying that the above is my opinion, but it is my opinion on why schizos and retards have been so emboldened.

>>12114874
>they used to direct their energy towards religious pursuits where they couldn't do much harm.

>>12114878
>All of the experts and intellectuals claimed that Hillary/Remain would win.
>All
No. Most of the polling was also within the margin of error.
Also, this ignores all the times polling has been accurate. So yet again, conspiracy tards show themselves to be retarded cherrypickers.

>>12111319
theres a difference between believing retarded things and being a schizo u know right

>>12114839
You're a schizo

>>12111319
Mainstream media, CNN, netflix, reddit, university's teaching critical theory, radical left, etc happened.

It's the internet.

If you've read /pol/ and I'm sure pretty much everyone here does now and then, you will have noticed how people there always say
>I used to start coming here, I was in favour of legalizing marijuana, had social leftist beliefs but now I am redpilled as fuck and believe Hitler was the best guy ever

Time and again you see this, now here's why. Back in the 90's when the western democracies and US were peaking, general knowledge basically all came from centralized news outlets that presented a certain coherent worldview. The oldfags will remember that poor asshole Fukuyama and how he was actually being treated serious back then. The news outlets differed in agendas a bit, but it was mostly competition between worldviews of their owners, the old republican vs democrat stuff in america but that was pretty tame by then. Radicals were completely marginalized and it was generally accepted that the centrist worldview is the sanest one.

Enter the 2000's, 9/11 and the explosion of the internet. Now you can choose what you're hearing, you can just go and read dumb shit on the internet, that is going to lead to more dumb shit, you don't even have to stick to the "official" news anymore, in fact take 4chan where the general mindset is that anything the government and big outfits tell you is a straight up lie and the nebulous cabal known as "The Jews" is behind everything and they all want to spy on you and go up your ass. 4chan itself gravitated from a website where most people were vaguely libertarian "muh freedumps" kind of thinking to full on fascism apologists.

Zoomers will be especially fucked by this because they dont even remember a saner, more organized world so they will just get sucked into that crap straight away. I used to be a freedomfag now I honestly think we need to censor the fucking internet or society will implode.

>>12111329
It was the coronavirus global pandemic idiot.

This has been one of the most important events in the history of human kind. All the fucking world doing the same stuff for months and listening to the same things from their governments. People locked in their houses for months without being able to go out and now everybody with masks, all the regulations, etc. Do you think that something like this could make people start thinking that there is something big behind all of this?

All the people locked in their houses searching information on the internet, reading conspiracy theories on their social media, receiving videos on WhatsApp about dark conspiracies behind this pandemic.

Also, the boomers are starting to use the internet more and more and they believe almost everything that they read online. Some family member sends them a conspiracy video via WhatsApp and they believe it is true.

The first day that I could go out after the lock down a woman that was like in her 40s started to talk with me about the Illuminati and a global dictatorship related with all this pandemic. All the Bill Gates thing and all of that. I had never talked with someone outside of the internet about those things.

Again, people trapped inside their houses for months, reading all kind of stuff on the internet. This has been something unprecedented, the entire world locked in their houses for months because of a virus. Think about it.

>>12114930
So you basically want to be ignorant.

>>12114887
religion helps schizos interpret the voices. we used to have schizo containment centers, they were called monasteries

>>12114953

>>12114953
>So you basically want to be ignorant.
Not him, but having access to information doesn't mean you're not ignorant. Belief in pseudo-science is only increasing despite greater access to information. Pseudo-science is easy, quick, takes no effort and makes you believe you know something that the sheeple own, makes you think you're just as knowledgeable as an actual scientist. It's why people get drawn into chemtrails, flat earth, 9/11, anti-vaxx, 5g, etc.

>>12114961
They also give an excuse for schizos to kill anyone who doesn't share their delusion. And they cause those delusions to be believed by gullible retards who then become mini schizos.

>>12114968
that he sheeple don't *

>>12114909
Actually it’s the opposite, schmucks started disregarding higher education and facts. Instead they prefer social media conspiracy theories

Considering the media corporations and politicians do nothing but lie what other explanation do you need? I'm a liberal but the way the media finds wacked out black people and creates riots around the country because people honestly think cops are just killing black people.. cops kill everyone for no reason but you have to find good examples. George Floyd Jacob Blake and the kid in the maga hat are not good stories to push. They look good at first sight but then you find out the media is lying.

Normies can't handle the truth, that they are being lied to, and they completely wig out bc they have no critical thinking skills

what's the Great Reset of the Financial System all about in your non-conspiratorial, business as usual view?
because the "covid-19" event has set this in motion. do you think it's strange that the media doesn't talk about what these Davos billionaires are up to?
>https://www.weforum.org/agenda/archive/the-great-reset

>>12111319
Lack of trust in authority figures, mixed with social media.

>>12115026
>Considering the media corporations and politicians do nothing but lie what other explanation do you need?
Source?

>>12115036
My fucking eyeballs lmao the fuck wrong with you

>>12115072
>source: dude just trust me

>>12115075
T. No eyeballs. Even the liars are calling out the liars lol

>>12115075
The issue is not that they are lying. That's been going on for centuries. The issue is people finally figuring it out and losing any anchor

>>12115086
>>12115091
source? Why don't conspiracy theorists have sources? Where's your source that the media is always lying? Presumably you get your information from the media as well, so isn't your opinion a lie as well since everything is a lie?

>>12115098
Bro did u just crawl out of a cave
Again not talking about conspiracy theories. If you can't take that post at face value you should either be shot or go back under your rock because I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Turn on Fox then turn on CNN. They're not both telling the truth. Iraq didn't have nukes. Maga hat boy didn't do nothing. George Floyd was on drugs and had corona. Jacob Blake is a giant faggot. Every politician is bought and sold by a consortium of lobbyists. You did not get to keep your doctor.

Our own president calls out legit fake news while also creating his own every day. People are lost. I'll admit myself I don't even know what's going on sometimes and I'm not going to pretend to until all the info comes out.

If you want to be so sense you can't even comprehend my post, what side are you on anyway? Are you mad I'm calling the left liars or the right because it is both to an outrageous degree

>>12115107
>They're not both telling the truth
>fox news and cnn have never provided accurate information because [cherry picked thing here]
So I guess all their weather forecasts are fake as well? When CNN says it's raining outside it must 30 degrees and scorching hot.

>>12114746
Nobody said government is lying, it's just that everything the government says has a good possibility of being a lie. You're on a bigbrain board, you should be able to handle nuance better than this. Elite pedos being everywhere is true.

>>12114856
most famously, chemicals in the water turning frogs gay

>>12115186
>it's just that everything the government says has a good possibility of being a lie.
Source?
>Elite pedos being everywhere is true.
Source?
>>12115187
>most famously, chemicals in the water turning frogs gay
Which he repeated from an official source and took it out of context, claiming the globalists were doing it on purpose. When in actual fact it's an industrial by-product.
Typical conspiracy theorist modus operandi. Take real information, twist it, and use it as evidence for your crazed conspiracy theory.

>>12114850
If you actually read one of Icke's books you'd see that he is right about a lot of it. Pic related is actually a relatively sober accounting of the global power structure circa the 90s, with a bit of spirituality thrown in. No reptiles yet. It's true that he's just compiling public knowledge, but he's not an insider so that's literally all he can do, not sure what you're hoping conspiracy theorists could provide otherwise

>>12115075
Were you asking "source" unironically? It's obviously a hyperbolic claim, don't be an autist

>>12115194
>Source? Source? Source?
I don't understand what you're asking for here. Use your imagination, what's an example of the sort of thing you would accept as a source?

>>12115194
>claiming the globalists were doing it on purpose
Source? This is the correct thing to ask for a source on by the way since you're claiming someone said something. All I've heard is the "they're putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay" soundbite which is unambigiously true

>>12115196
>If you actually read one of Icke's books you'd see that he is right about a lot of it.
I have. He's full of shit.
>>12115206
How about a source?

>>12115213
>All I've heard is the "they're putting chemicals in the water that turn the freaking frogs gay" soundbite which is unambigiously true
No it's not true. This implies a nefarious conspiracy. There is no evidence for one.

>>12115196
Also
>icke
Fuck off back to >>>/x/ you charlatan and pseudoscience promoting faggot.

>>12115215
>I have. He's full of shit.
Which one did you read?

>>12115227
The biggest secret

>>12115219
So you're saying that nobody is putting chemicals in the water that turn frogs gay?
But people are totally putting chemicals in the air that make the weather fucked up rite?

>>12115232
>So you're saying that nobody is putting chemicals in the water that turn frogs gay?
The chemicals that are "turning the frogs gay" are an industrial waste product and the result of a lack of foresight and regulation. It's not a nefarious conspiracy by the globalist elite to harm us. Thank you again for once again demonstrating how conspiracy theorists operate and spread their mind virus.

>>12115231
Yeah figured. You didn't like anything about it at all? I thought it actually had some great points about behavior control through religious and cultural manipulation. I don't believe the reptillian theory literally, but it works great as a metaphor for a strain of power-hungry sociopathy recurring through history.

>>12115243
You're the only person who's said it's a nefarious conspiracy. Thank you for once again demonstrating how faggots like to engage in imaginary arguments. Is greenhouse gas emission a nefarious conspiracy by various industries?

>>12115244
No it was total junk, read like the ramblings of a semi-literate madman and didn't provide anything I already had not heard from other conspiracy theorists. Ted Gunderson and Bill Cooper were way better conspiracy theorists and Icke stole much of his stuff from them.

>>12115251
>You're the only person who's said it's a nefarious conspiracy.
No that would be Alex Jones, who claimed it was the globalists behind it, totally taking the story out of context, and Alex Jones fans who believe Alex was right and "predicted it" or other such typical shlock.

>>12115253
Ted Gunderson and Bill Cooper are great. Different strokes for different folks I suppose, I was surprised at how self-aware and affable Icke's writing style was, and it certainly didn't strike me as semi-literate. Like I said, gotta take it with a grain of salt, but there were lots of tasty morsels in there. I find conspiracy literature intrinsically enjoyable, perhaps you don't. I've heard his book on 9/11 is pretty good.

>>12111322
Since when has a government been trustworthy?

>>12115257
What's the full quote?
Is this something you actually heard him say, or are you just repeating something you heard about him?

>>12115260
It's enjoyable in the same way simple music is enjoyable, fast food is enjoyable, reality tv is enjoyable, etc. It's shlock made to make money from gullible people, boomers and cats ladies that believe in magical crystals mostly, but also appeals to the younger crowd going through their "I hate authority" phase.

>>12115270
yeah cat ladies love Behold a Pale Horse, my crazy wine aunt won't shut up about History of Central Banking
Rest assured that I didn't lose any money on it, I get my conspiracies from the library or from libgen/archive.org

No scientists are just retarded and have no soul.

Conspiracy theories allow people to think they know how the world really works, that they have been bestowed with secret knowledge that others in the mainstream, who are "sheeple" and controlled by the elites, do not have. Conspiracy theorists know this and they market their work to give their audience this feeling. I know how the world really works, I'm not controlled by the elite!!! This is why so many conspiracy fags go around preaching their views, often with very smug satisfaction, because they think they are enlightening the masses. It's the final form of the Dunning-Kruger effect enabled by cheap access to mass communication technology and cheap access to information. Any idiot who barely passed high school can now go on the internet and find some garbage that "disproves" the "official story" or "official science" on some subject and believe he's more knowledgeable than the experts.

>>12115283
I used to browse the David Icke forum. It's 90% boomers.

>>12115307
Yep. And what will you do about it? Violate my innate human rights? Oh wait you can't even do that faggot. All talk and no bite bitch.

>>12115310
like academia?

>>12112777
>heuristic gone awry
nice description

>>12115307
>Marxism allows people to think they know how the world really works, that they have been bestowed with secret knowledge that others in the mainstream, who are "sheeple" and controlled by the rich, do not have. Marxists know this and they market their work to give their audience this feeling. I know how the world really works, I'm not controlled by the rich!!! This is why so many marxists go around preaching their views, often with very smug satisfaction, because they think they are enlightening the masses. It's the final form of the Dunning-Kruger effect enabled by cheap access to mass communication technology and cheap access to information.
yeah all of this applies to every single ideology

>>12112791
Antisemitism is the most midwit of conspiracy theories.

>>12115328
How about sticking to the facts and using your brain to think instead of following a pre-packaged ideology?

>>12115318
They're the higher IQ boomers.
It's mostly the lower IQ boomies that fall for conspiracy theories.

>>12115163
What is the point of this? Trolling shouldn't be acceptable on this board. So assuming you're genuine what exactly is your counter argument? A straw man? When there are two opposed media/government entities reporting nonstop on each other's lies why would it be my job to provide you with any argument myself? It's the most basic of logic. Are you a shill for the media in general?

>>12115262
Since never but now with the internet we know what the govt has lied about while also being fed nonstop conspiracy theory videos that often have many grains of truth. The gov is clearly lying a little bit about everything. War, healthcare, economy, social issues. And everyone is getting interested in it left and right.

Another point, regarding the right side, they weren't too distrusting for a very long time but I tell you what as soon as Obama was president, even though the left lies about racism there is indeed plenty of true racism and half the country immediately shit their pants over a black president

>>12115336
Well I agree that marxists are retarded. But it's not like you can just consult an oracle which gives you solid irrefutable facts. People are wrong about shit. For almost all of history they were wrong about basically everything. But now that it's 2020, I'm supposed to believe that we're finally right about everything? Using your brain is good, learning facts is good, but being skeptical of those facts is also good

>>12115331
it's undeniable that jews are overrepresented in financial and media/cultural sectors

>>12112803
This. Social media subverts the established gatekeepers of knowledge, which is good for independent thinking. Without a simultaneous increase in critical thinking skills of the masses, though, misleading and poorly sourced information will naturally spread.

>>12115343
Sure, I suppose lower IQ millenials are more predisposed to thinking that the rich and the corrupt politicians control everything which is somehow not a conspiracy theory

>>12115350
>being skeptical of those facts is also good
When it's warranted and the majoirty of the time what conspiracy theorists call "skepticism" is not actually skepticism, it's pure denialism and pseduoscience .

>>12115356
The rich have always controlled everything, that's the point of being rich. You have stuff to make other people who want more stuff do stuff for you and get stuff in return.

>>12115356
>The most overtly powerful people control things
What a conspiracy

>>12115351
And? Their also over represented as nobel prize winners. Are their scientific findings a conspiracy?

>>12115366
Don't get them started on "Jewish physics"

>>12115361
What's the difference between denialism and skepticism?

>>12115351
>people with a several thousand year tradition of valuing scholarship and hard work do well
No, it must be a conspiracy!

>>12115366
No, what would it mean for scientific findings to be a conspiracy? It's definitely possible that there's some ethnic bias going on in the selection process though.

>>12115366
would this be the kind of "science", for example, which currently has 180 countries wearing face masks like medieval talismans?
is there a consensus on who should "win" a prize? how is that consensus arrived at?

>>12115364
>Yes, I recognize that there are very powerful people who control society -- and I, the random anon, know who they are

>>12115373
Denialism denies basic facts and evidence. You cannot convince a flat eather the world is not flat because they almost completely deny modern science.
Scepticism asks pertinent questions and is a useful tool for good discourse.

>>12115379
The reason for the masks is because I was made to wear a muzzle as a little boy. That's the whole reason.

/pol/tard and /x/tard thread
here
>>>/pol/
>>>/x/
Stay there please.

>>12115375
I'm confused about what you think the "conspiracy" would be. If it's that there are a disproportionate number of Jews in socially powerful places then that's objectively true. If it's that this fact is generally glossed over and discussion of it discouraged, also objectively true. If it's that there's an actual clique of Elders of Zion going to Paramount and telling them who to hire then yeah that's ridiculous

>>12115380
>See house burning
>See guy standing in the open with gasoline and fireworks
>No, the deep state must have done this

>>12111319
Closing of asylums once we invented medicines that allowed most of them to live normal lives when taking medicine. Most can live normal lives but a few to don’t take it or the medicines that cure all of their paranoia and other symptoms. Kind of sad really there was no schizo homeless people on the streets they were kept in asylums. Basically 1% of the population were kept In asylums. Now that they all closed the more extreme people don’t have free government places to go and if there are free government places they are always packed.

>>12115382
Seems like a pretty arrogant definition which presumes that you, the definer, know what makes a fact basic and a question pertinent

>>12115393
Don’t cure all I mean

>>12115391
The world's a pretty simple place huh
"deep state" is one of the sillier conspiracy deniers' hangups. Do you not believe that a deep state exist?

>>12115405
Deep state was the wrong term, I meant shadow government. There's undeniably collusion between the economically and the politically powerful.

>>12111329
>it seems

Not a good enough premise for me to take seriously.

>>12115411
Don't you think it's weird that conspiracy deniers are so skeptical of the "Deep state"? It's so immediately obvious that such a thing exists. Shadow government also exists, in fact it's not clear to me what the difference between the two terms are. We spend trillions of dollars on black projects the details of which we have no idea. There are installations such as Mount Weather

>>12115401
The achievements of science are basic facts we all agree on. If you want to question it, prove it wrong or fuck off. Tired of you schizos muddying the waters and attempting to paint yourself as "rational skeptics" when you're nothing more than denialists and conspiracy theorists jealous that you don't get the same social status as the sciences.

>>12115417
Yeah, the "deep state" exists. It's the part of the government that remains regardless of who the president is. It's not a conspiracy, it's a practical policy.

>>12115418
It's not a fact that the laws of physics are universal and constant so your whole theory is bs. It's just an assumption you make.

>>12115422
That's an assumption you make.

>>12115417
To me, deep state implies cooperation between politicians and special interests, whereas a shadow government is a completely hidden true executive power which totally controls the apparent "government" which is really just a puppet.

>>12115421
It's even more basic than a practical policy, it's just the obvious observation that the vast vast vast majority of people with political power are unelected and generally unacknowledged.
How about places like Council on Foreign Relations, which aren't officially governmentally-aligned bodies and yet have very closely tied to our government since it was founded? Is that deep state or shadow government?

>>12115422
Who cares you fucking sad loser. You are using a computer right now because of modern science. Your whole life has been improved by the back breaking, centuries long work of scientists and engineers, and you have the gall to use what they have invented to deny science with your fake and gay little /x/ theories? Kys faggot.

>>12115424
No it isn't it's what YOU make being a scientist. If the laws are not universal or constant than my bedroom does not have to follow the laws of your bedroom. And of course you might think this is nonsense but if the universe revolves around US then it is making a deliberate effort to trick us into believing in physics isn't it? Almost like this whole science shit is a narrative invented by this evil being that made a universe where children are raped and abused.

>>12115429
That's just your assumption. Prove it.

>>12115428
Computers are just an attempt to make it seem like magic is just a series of instructions but it isn't. There was not centuries of scientists it is made up.

>schizos ITT arguing that we should question basic scientific facts
LOL
Fuck off back to /x/ and /pol/

>>12115430
You prove your assumption. Don't you get that proof is retarded and not important for belief. Logic is just something you use to reason about ideas it's more like a compass than the foundation.

>>12115431
Throw out your computer faggot.
Go live in the woods and stop using anything invented by scientists. It's funny isn't it, your scepticism and conspiracy world view ends exactly where it becomes uncomfortable for you. You sit around being "sceptical" of science while using the fruits it has given us. You won't give those fruits up though, will you?

>>12111319
More people are realizing that they clamp.

>>12115425
Eh as I said to the other guy, I always figured "deep state" referred to the people with political power who are unelected and unacknowledged. I don't think there's a hidden executive power that totally controls the government, but there's certainly one that partially controls it. Surely you've noticed that the actual domestic/foreign policy of the government doesn't change very much from administration to administration, and doesn't correspond very much to the promises made by the campaigning president

>>12115435
It's absolutely irrelevant. Our assumption works, your assumptions does not. We use science everyday, here on earth and out in the universe.
>hur bro but the laws of physics could change over night! CHECK MATE /SCI/!!!

>>12115434
It's okay to question advanced scientific facts but not basic ones?

>>12115440
Dude you did not invent dreams. You did not invent music. These are things that are really important to real humans. You just made this devil dream box to act like you only have it because of some vast network of a capitalist society but really you have music because music is so important to you as a person. I am not gonna play chicken with you and destroy my only connection to music at the moment. But one day I will not need your dumb computer bullshit to have music in the air. :P

>>12115443
>Surely you've noticed that the actual domestic/foreign policy of the government doesn't change very much from administration to administration, and doesn't correspond very much to the promises made by the campaigning president
As it should be. Something as important as national security should not be based on the whims of a Mcdonalds eating public with the attention span of a gold fish.

>>12115444
That's just pragmatism. Has nothing to do with my beliefs. I can play your dumb science game I just acknowledge it for what it is a GAME. I am following the "rules" of your game as you present them by using a computer. That does not mean I believe the only game we can play is this retarded game. But you don't get that because you are just a science man that never questions what he is or why he is or why the world is like this. That is because you have no soul.

>>12115411

Furniture and houses are no longer built to the standards they were once before. Furniture could last generations.

A 100 year old apartment complex caught on fire a few year ago. And people escaped and waited for the building to collapse from the fire. It never collapsed and the fire burnt out.

So the standard of building is to build it enough to look pretty but not last.

Why put chips in people?
When the credit card has a chip.. the phone has a chip. They even announced on the news.. phones where being used to monitor social distancing.. and if people were near other people for to long..

Cartel counterfeits the 1 dollar bill. Because it doesn't have the serial strip in it..

A little old lady got busted 10 years ago.. because she would bury the money from her drug deals in the back yard. And thanks to the new serial strips.. when a lump some of money hits 10,000 or more.. a ping is sent off.. when the cops raided her they found 100,000...

How do you think cops keep doing "random" traffic stops. And find large lump somes of cash.. and confiscate it.. then the victim has to go to court to prove how they earned the money.

The "shadow" government.. is the banker in monopoly.. they don't really care about winning or losing. They care about staying in the game long enough to get the upper hand. The good cheaters don't take large sums.. but small sums to stay afloat. Now imagine the banker is 100,000,000 people.

>>12115449
Lol, pure cope. You're simply jealous your /x/ schizo shit will never be taken seriously or ever produce any real world results.

>>12115457
No I'm not real world results mean nothing to me. Your world is a world run by pedophiles why should I care about it?

>>12115451
Yeah I'm not fully on board with democracy either. I'm not saying the shadow government is bad, just saying it exists

>>12115453
Maybe tomorrow you'll stop being a faggot, but I doubt it.
>>12115448
Depends on how established they are. Advanced could imply highly theoretical work yet to be established or understood.

>>12115462
>No I'm not real world results mean nothing to me.
>still uses computers, modern housing, electricity, heat, convenience stores, and everything invented in the modern world
Lmao, you are a pathetic LARPER. At least follow through with your beliefs.

>>12115466
>but I doubt it.
Good I am glad you are accepting my reality finally. I am not changing for you and your lies.

>>12115468
Food, shelter, entertainment are fundamental to humans. You can live in a universe with all of that without any science or technology to back it up. It's just a dream you can access dreams however you want. Paintings on the wall, a mirror on the wall, whatever. But you don't think creatively you just think about science right?

>>12115475
>Food, shelter, entertainment are fundamental to humans.
And now entirely produced by science.
Who do you think produces the material for your paintings or the material for musical instruments? Do you know how much math, engineering, and science is involved in all of this? You sure like to use stuff made by science while claiming you don't, huh?

>>12115479
That's just a story we are told. Like I said you can make a house without any science or engineering. It's a dream the house you live in is constructed around you by the dreamer. It actually has nothing to do with engineering that is just a story to explain the bad events that can happen to your home.

>>12115489
Take your medication and fuck off back to /x/ you dumb schizo.

>>12115466
>Ugh, we already KNOW this, why are you asking questions about it
very much not how science is supposed to work

>>12115490
You are a robot you aren't human. I am human though and I am NOTHING like you. :P

>>12115479
And with that math and science... newer generation homes.. collapse with a fire.... while 100 year old ones don't..

And newer furniture your lucky to get 5 years with out it falling apart... while older generations had furniture that would last 2-4 generations.

All the buisness men are doing is creating loaded dice that fall apart.. and you have to pay them again for more.

Math and science is good for space travel and cars.... but they are using it to literally use the bare minimum of materials..

>>12115505
>materials are expensive and limited while the amount of people on the planet keeps increasing
>most people are poor fags and can only afford poor fag stuff which without modern science they wouldn't even afford in the first place
>this is somehow bad and the fault of science
Back to /pol/ and /x/ with you.

>>12115479


Also science and math is very good.
Four agricultural. And producing food.
Back in the day many people died.. during long trips.. because it was hard to keep food preserved for long periods of time.. now that food can be preserved for a year or two..

*no gmo bad muh food. Fresh food best* there are people who eat canned dog food because they try to pinch pennis. If they live full lives. Why wouldn't you live a full life. Eating can foods for humans. If your fat. You are eating more then you exercise. Simple.

>>12115516
Agreed... materials... are limited... so why are we building products that are designed to fall apart? We loose the material that built it. And now we need new material to reconstruct it... so we don't have infinite material to build stable products. But we have infinite materials to keep reconstructing the same shitty products.

That is your train of logic in a nut shell.

>>12111319
there's no epidemic. the percentage of these schizos is the same as it's ever been throughout the human history, they're simply more in your face now because of the internet. it's amazing how you mongoloids can't figure this one out on your own

The answer is that they're not really schizo, they're just susceptible to schizo rants because they're uneducated. If you were born/raised in a poor shitty city or nation you'd realize that, political people who don't subscribe to some conspiratorial worldview in those places are the minority.

>>12111319
>>12111319
because the government is pretty much doing everything to foster distrust in people even if just by sheer incompetence.
ill give you two examples off the top of myhead
the 9/11 report...redacted and missing key component and umm building no7 ive yet to see a coherent explanation for why that building collapsed in on itself.

and the most recent one jeffery epstein and the fat tail of statistically highly improbable failures leading up to his death.

>>12115537
All materials are not economically equal.
They're not built to fall apart they fall apart because they're cheap and can be mass produced to meet demand. More expensive products cannot. The great thing about many of these cheap materials, like you will find in IKEA, is that they are also cheap to recycle.

>>12115550
>it's almost like people in government are regular human beings, and not reptillian space lizards or blood drinking satanists, and therefore make mistakes
The government is an easy scapegoat for people to blame whenever they make a mistake, as everyone like to believe they could do a better job.

>>12115550


Eh.. it is not really an explanation but a correlation. The movie fight club.. 1999. This man single handedly strapped up a building to blow up and collapse. By taking out the support beams.

Which is kind of what everyone is arguing about 9/11. The melting points and the support structure.

Do I really care if it was planned or not... not really... I just hope the buildings were empty like in fight club. But I highly doubt that..

I personally didn't know about 9/11 until 2010. It was weird.

>>12115551
Yeah. IKEA material can be rcycled.. but I am pretty sure when houses are torn down with bull dozers.. and rocking balls. The wood isn't being recycled for your next house or some one else.. maybe for IKEA furniture.

And yeah I guess bricks and metal can be remelted or turned back into powder for cement mixes.

>>12115573
>I personally didn't know about 9/11 until 2010
ok zoomer

>>12115586
Yes. Absolutely.

>>12115573
The steel used in the trade centre buildings didn't need to melt for the building to collapse. The temperatures needed to be of a sufficient temperature to change the steels properties. That's it.

>>12115586
https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2020/01/08/worlds-first-recycled-bricks-go-into-production-in-scotland/
Thanks again, science!

>>12115589
I was born in the early 90's.

The reason I didn't know about it. Is I wasn't in school the month it happened. And apparently no one in my family really talked about it. 2010.. I found out because I had to do a skit for theater.. and also the same week everyone put tape over their mouth in honor of it... but up until that point it was never a topic brought up in conversation.

>>12115442
How about spamming some threads about this amazing topic?

>>12115605
Yes I get it. I am just saying that standards of built house up to code... fails to buildings up to code. In the past. Or furniture up to code in the past. The bar for up to code has dropped. *over population* we cannot even fill up Florida. And drinking water wise... 100billion might be the limit.

But then sea water has.. 1.025 salinity.. its 1 part water. And .025 salt.. cause if it was 1part salt and .025 water it would be a salt desert.

Drinking salt water causes hallucinations.. soda has .02 salt.

Is this the rise of schizoprenia.. everyone is in a state of hallucinations I personally went years drinking only chocolate milk and soda. But I stopped in highschool after a calf spasm. And chugged fresh water everyday. Because I didn't like the flavor of plain water. After a while now my body craves fresh water.

>>12115307
Masks are just a conspiracy theory. The experts say you don't actually need to wear them.

>>12115715


Yeah.. when they said covid 19 was transferred from person to person in an unknown manner. I kind of linked into sweat.. and when I looked that up.. sweat.. and it has so many enzymes.. it would be hard for any bacteria/virus to pass through glands/sweat... and that your nose/mouth/and eyes are about the only points it can get access from in a public manner. So the mask isn't entirely wrong idea. But it is the same as not sneezing or coughing in peoples faces... and Washing your hands before eating or touching those points. It is even why some people probably developed polio back in the day because of neglectful hand washing after wiping their ass. Or why some people get pink eye out of no where.

And people push washing your hand in"hot" water. Which the only hot water that kills bacteria is boiling water. Up until the boiling point hot water breeds bacteria.it is how they make bacteria grow in a petry dish. Cold water doesn't breed bacteria as much as warm/not boiling water does.

>>12115715
>opinions cannot change based on evidence

>>12115754
I was agreeing with his idea that mask are pointless. And that people need to be more hygienic. But people think they are being hygienic whe they cough o sneeze on products that will be delivered to another country.

Adam ruins everything.. shows how police thought ther was a serial killer because dna was found at 8 locations.. turned out the lady who was packing the swabs in the factory kept licking them. For what reason idk
. If that lady had covid.. all those swabs had it to.now change the swabs to blankets. Ans that it how the native Americans almost died. Just because an item had the bacteria. Not that they were in contact with sick people.

To explain why there is a "epidemic sweeping the western hemisphere" would require some kind of conspiracy theory.

In other words, the reason there is a schizo epidemic is because the only way for us to explain the observed schizo epidemic is with conspiracy theories. The act of trying to explain this is what is causing it in the first place.

>>12115795
I doubt there is a conspiracy.. I thinks it's just habits. I highly doubt the coca cola or other soda industries conspired to put everyone in a state of hallucinations.

Same reason for no longer using glass bottles as containers for drinks.. the factories use to clean them or break them down and create new bottles out of the glass.. but it was cheaper to just use plastic. And not have to rewash or reform glass.

It is just stemmed from the habbit of a company trying to penny pinch every cent they can out of a product. And people who worm their ways into the companies or the son/daughter. Where the buisness stays in the family. Each generation wants to out perform the last generation.. to the point they cook books to look like it on paper. And then boom gm and the major car companies hit a bursting point and needed to be bailed out by the banks/government. and it will happen again. Just not anytime soon.

>>12115795
You all are using "shizo" as a term to define a person's pattern recognition skills is inferior to your your pattern recognition skills. And boom now everyone who doesn't have the same point of view as you is now a shizo. And the epidemic spreads globally. Out of "no where".

Hur dur.. I use big fancy word to say we don't see eye to eye. And thus you must be locked up because I fear you will hurt me or your self..

Well why not lock up people who receive workers comp... they are an obvious candidate for a danger to themselves.

>>12111319
Technology and information, and its harsh impact on the human psyche.

>>12111343
Back to r*ddit. You do not belong here.

>>12115754
>A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article))

>A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medince found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission. (https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/))

>An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control). (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data))

>An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life. (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372))

>An April 2020 Cochrane review (preprint) found that face masks in the general population or health care workers didn’t reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases. (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2))

>An April 2020 review by the Norwich School of Medicine (preprint) found that “the evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasks”, but supports the use of masks by “particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.” (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1))

>A July 2020 study by Japanese researchers found that cloth masks “offer zero protection against coronavirus” due to their large pore size and generally poor fit. (http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13523664))

Is this the evidence you're referring to?

>>12113688
lmao people are retarded
they can just give you digital money even if they have nothing and the central banks will sort it out
if it was gold coins they would physically be unable to give you anything

>>12115967
People have been caught shaving rounding errors into their account. Absolutely no way they could get away with that.

Alex Jones is a gatekeeper who never mentions the Jews.

>>12111319
>did something happen to collectively undermine peoples perception of reality

Yep, even dumb people can sense when their elites are hostile to them. It doesn't mean they'll see the full truth, but all kinds of distrust will spread including in the form of fantasy.

>>12111319
simple, people smarter than you took a long time to do research that you are both too stupid to do for yourself and too stupid to even understand when it is spoonfed to you apparently, and they spoonfed it to people who arent as stupid as you and can actually understand it and they in turn reach other people exponentially while you laugh like an idiot sitting in your own shit posting on 4chan sniffing your own farts

>>12112928
I think or can be argued that Nazism was a conspiracy theory and it led to a lot of action

>>12116626
Fart in the jar Martin.

Only one time guys..

Lmao.

The big picture is there is no big picture.. and everyone is trying to who do one another. And people group up to try and who do another group.

So the question at hand is. Whom do you who do and whom who do's you?

>>12112928
>interdimensional reptoids
Nice cherry picked strawman faggot you surveying mental hospitals as your population sample? Highly representative and useful sample fucking hack.

>who've planned every major event for centuries.
Ok so let me ask you this. If someone has 100 million dollars or a billion even, do you think Bill Gates kids or Bezos kids will ever have to work? How about their grand kids? How about their grand kids grand kids? They are people who were emperors of Rome, royalty in Egypt and Persia and Phoenicia that set up all the systems that are still in use today. You think they just disaperaed? Where do you think they went to another planet? Are you actually suggesting these people just vanished into another dimension? This statement alone shows what an idiot you are. The Catholic church has been around 1000's of years are you suggesting they have had no influence on historical events or that they are the only institution from the ancient world that still exists today? How are you this stupid? Truly a mystery how simple minds work that can't use simple logic to realize how stupid the shit they say is.

>How can you go against such a power, you can't.
Yes they are smarter than the idiots on this board like you to be sure which is why they are in the positions they are in. While you are brainwashed with fake history and science to train you to be a good little worker bee their kids are taught how these systems really work, trusts, law, banking,finance etc etc all the esoteric things rich people know but you will never learn Even if you wanted to finding a good reliable source for someone as dumb as you is very iffy.

>>12112928
>Conspiracy theories lead to inaction
Again you show how stupid you are, not that it was in doubt. The reason they get away with what they do is because stupid people like you let them not only that you hostilely attempt to thwart people who are watchdogs trying to educate others to recruit help in doing what the media is supposed to be doing but doesn't because they are paid whores by the people they are supposed to be policing.

In summation, you and your ignorance are the problem You can'tr fix a problem until you can acknowledge and understand the problem you stupid little shit.

"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people." - Thomas Jefferson

>>12116637


Great point... first consitration camp.. 1933... first social security number 1943...

Let me guess it is just a coincidence after Hitler labeled all the Jews with numbers to keep detailed track of them... that the big boy countries started doing it them selves.. they just phathomed the ideal to label their citizens witha number... after hitler... and that there is no correlation to Hitler's example...


Monkey see monkey do.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1745691618774270

>>12116668
>The big picture is there is no big picture
The big picture is you are a fuck wit and no one needs to hear what you think the "big picture" is based on your vast knowledge gained by trolling /sci/, which is to say zero knowledge you fart sniffing faggot

>>12116715
Sorry I pissed you off... and that is exactly what I said..


The average american can not think that there is a a group of people trying to manipulate the status quo.

The average american cannot believe there is a group of people who are trying to who do them .. that is what who doing is. It doesn't matter who is the who... but they are doing something to manipulate the status quo.

And Bill Gates says his kids get nothing.. if it is true they have to earn their own money.

I didn't mean to piss you off. I was just agreeing with you.. and cyanide and happiness has far in the jar Martin.

>>12111319
it's not that there are more schizophrenic people it's that normal inquisitiveness and not trusting everything you hear is now considered schizophrenia by normies on social media and modern day witch doctors known as psychiatrists

>>12111329
maybe it had to do with the news openly admitting there was a decades-long pedophile coverup involving world leaders and celebrities having sex with children on an island with weird temples, then the ring leader mysteriously dies in a high security prison

and all the inconsistencies surrounding covid, if you're not highly suspicious of everything you're told at this point it may be low intelligence

>>12116770

I cannot deny that logic.

And maybe we agree that the medicine isn't pointless. It's just hard to decide how to properly give the right medicine to the right person for the right reason.

>>12116779
I think it would make a good heuristic for who should be removed from the gene pool.

>>12116761
You dont have to apologize mate I am just being a trolly asshole using your comment as the sounding board. It wasn't personal towards you.

Yah we know what Gates said in reference to his kids but that won't be what happens I assure you. They will have hidden trusts like they all do. All the families are connected at that level, he is just a Rothschild puppet now like all the rest of the billionaire bilderberg club.

Ultimately all rich people figure out at some point the entire financial system is one big ponzi scheme and that all they have is digits on a screen, if the system fails they have nothing. Their only interest is seeing the continuation of the system or helping to destroy it on the surface level to replace it with an even more strict system securing their status and position even more like neofeudal serfdom.The only thing better than running a rigged crony capitalist system is being the absolute rulers of the sys via the party where the people have no guns or rights

>>12116800
Yeah I agreed.

But if it is true. It will be like movie knives out. Where all the kids or family members will be gun hoe about contesting the will.

Until Bill Gates really dies. We won't know. But if he does die.. and no one makes a fuss about his will.. it is highly likely the hidden trust funds are there.

Cause there is no way as his child I would let that lump some of money.. be torn apart by charities that i cannot trust will use the money in a manner which will benefit people.

Our minds tend to seek a complete, coherent system of ideas, whereas mainstream ideologies are inconsistent, so conspiracies fill that role by making it all orchestrated. Really the fault lies with intellectuals for not articulating something that actually makes sense.

>>12116800


I could also being a greedy asshole and just want all the money for myself. Personally I hope I am not that greedy asshole if the time comes I get a lump some of money

>>12115607
have you ever used the internet or read a book or watched any form of media

>>12112960
This is the correct answer the white horse is coming

https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/who-is-kalki_ZvXPWvVu5pfgLj2.html

>>12116853

Never watched the news channel.

I read books. Like animorphs and box car children. Or books about nature.
Like flowers. Snakes. To learn what is dangerous. Such as coral snakes. Red touches black okay jack. Red touches yellow you are a dead fellow. Which one of the coral snakes do you think little wayne had in his recent video.

And.. know black berries are okay to eat in the wild but avoid red berries.


If it rains it rains. If it is hot it is hot.

I can go a year or longer with out making a face book post.

I can go with out tv for a while. I could honestly just sit and stare at a wall all day and be perfectly content.

Did you know if a snake has a diamond shaped head. It is more likely to be poisonous.

And I use the internet for entertainment more then debating or arguing. Sometimes. I just argue a point to it's simplest understanding. So that the arguments stop. It really bothers me to see people argue.. over miss understanding the simplest point.

>>12111319
Most of the schizos are lower class. They are smart enough to notice that no elite is playing for their advantage and that things are going wrong, but not smart enough to understand why or who should they trust. This feeling manifests in these weird theories and general distrust of all state power. Exceptions are those who semiauthentically signal belonging to their tribe, for example Trump.

The western society is engaged in a narrative spiral, which is caused by 1. the chosen premises being too out of line from the reality 2. the social and political structure exacerbating the spiral 3. the inability of interest groups to work together.

The left alliance and its interest groups will be able to assert themselves at some point. It will take some time, and the larp of the left holding no real power will continue until population is inoculated to the idea, after which a 'correct truth' and the generally accepted truth will emerge. One can see some reactions towards this at the moment. Though most likely the faulty premises will keep the system semi unstable, so some sort of pushback is expected as the ideology is not vital enough to create a stable system.

There is no good elite ideology to keep them in line, supressing their ability to fuck with the plebs. Fucking with the middle class and the poors is more or less rewarded with money, if its done through the proper corporate ways.

Tldr western society is broken.

>>12112960
>>>/x/

>>12116910


Ehh.. I don't really hate a government. It is basically a rule book to follow. It does nothing to me in a litteral way.

What I hate is that people worm their way into the government to add rules to only benefit themselves or friends and family.

The presidency doesn't really mean a whole lot. You either.. sign a paper for aproval. Sign it for a veto, which is hardly done. Or let it sit for a few weeks and pocket veto it. Now a president does have the power to enforce marshal law.. but everyone knows if a president does do that... riots are sure to ensue. So most likely it will be left alone. Also possibly the power to launch a nuke.. since the president is the chief in state above the military. But the power I think the president has that no one talks about is probably the most influential power one can have as a president... is the ability to wake up one morning... think of a law.. and then start it at congress to see if it gets approved for you to sign..

While a public citizen would have to jump through Hoops after Hoops to get a law seen by the supreme court and then intern go through Congress to get aproval.

And that senators/presidents/ Congress men back in the day still had a day job.. on top of their civil duties to navigate the country. But now adays navigating the country is their day job.. they lost sense of the reality of labour.

>>12111319
I would say there is a disconnect between the authority figure, ie the government and the people.

>>12116567
This

>>12111319
Because the entire post-war order is fictitious, and the internet has shown us this.

>muh democracy
in reality government takes place through pedophile blackmail networks
>muh discourse in the free press
All news outlets owned by the intelligence agencies
>muh equality and human rights
Refuted by the realities of having to interact with third-world immigrants etc.
>muh growing prosperity
Not happening

etc.

>>12114930
Every internet comment section that isn't heavily moderated and censored gradually tends towards endorsement of "actually-working fascism".

Obama happened.

>>12111319
Informational overload combined with neurosis from the distillation and saturation of social interaction via information technology.

It's really just psychological phenomenon of group think. Some people will believe anything if there is a group following behind it. Hell it even happened with memes. Remember when people on 4chan would make shitty 'forced memes' and others seeking to be part of the 'club' would unknowingly join in?

It's just like that, but now we have the general public on the internet on a scale like never before. If they see something reposted on 4chan enough they believe it. If they see something on the front page of reddit they believe it. If their relatives share conspiracy theories on facebook... they believe it.

Overall it helps them feel a sense of conformity/harmony with the group they identify with most. To the individual this information is also empowering. They may know next to nothing of a subject matter, but now they have the 'truth'. They don't need experts, because their own intellect must have led them to the conclusion. And now they'll fight tooth and nail to defend this new idea, because they care more about preserving this power, than being factually correct.

>>12111319

Because they have nothing productive going on for themselves. So they believe in time traveling fairies that whisper in their ear about the Jews taking their rights away.

>>12116692
why is Henry Ford the authority that you appeal with here?

>>12117405
what realities of having to interact with immigrants?
you mean you freaking out when they don't talk english?

>>12117751
why dont you read his book and find out you autiscaitially retarded motherrfucker

>>12117507
kys hebe

>>12115600
were arent talking about the trade center but the building which wasnt hit and feel down the same way building no 7

>>12115573
also i noticed you ignored the epstein case

>>12118026
>building which wasnt hit and feel down the same way building no 7
It was hit by debris and exposed to fires for many hours.

>>12117946
Why would his book be accurate and not schizo larping like most of anti-semitism?

>>12111798
He didn’t say it but if the Jew fits

>>12115262
Are you retarded or baiting?

>>12115754
>I blindly trust the government
>I have 0 critical thinking skills

>>12114789
They do be right tho

>>12118207
>I strawman you and claim you blindy trust the government

>>12115264
*crickets*

>>12111319
the internet connects trash with trash

i saw this happen once my mum got blackmailed into buying a smartphone. needless to say she radically changed. that woman would NEVER say anything relating to politics but suddenly became familiar with decade old content creators that like to bash gayfrogweed and spin around, and she would never ever give a shit about any of them if i had introduced her to that shit myself.

i like it though. do you know that old normie talk about how everything technology isolate you from the real world? and that therefore you must demonize it? the internet does exactly that to these people. sure they can gather IRL, but most of it doesn't happen in plain sight anymore. they are so consumed by it, technology completely broke these retarded people.

>>12115264
Why don't you watch the full video

>>12115257

>Is greenhouse gas emission a nefarious conspiracy by various industries?

>>12118183

Communities like /pol/ have possibly contributed significantly in direct and indirect ways. 4chan, despite starting out as one of the most well-known internet humor websites, has grown more and more serious over time, in part due to the escalating political and ideological polarization in the US (and some other countries). It went from irony masked as sincerity to sincerity masked as irony, plus just a lot of bare, plain sincerity.

2008 maybe played a big role as well. The atmosphere that led to the mindless groupthink that caused communism and fascism to grow was economic despair. The despair isn't as bad as back then, so the consequences aren't as bad, but who knows what the future holds. Then 2014, especially with Gamergate, kind of accelerated the fading away of the boundaries between the internet and the real world.

If there isn't any serious catastrophe between now and then, I think in about 50 years things are possibly going to ever-approach calmness and moderation, which hopefully will continue unabated for centuries. It's probably wishful thinking, but I think humanity is right on the cusp of a new and more reasonable era which distant future humans will look back on as something more closely resembling a "final form" (from the perspective of the people alive then). I think this period is going to be looked back on with pity, and a general interpretation of civilization-wide confusion and absurdity for the most part.

>>12118441
No, it's just a by product of greed and complacence. Nobody wants to do anything about it because it costs money and people with money don't want to spend it because they're doing just fine right now.

>>12118473
>DA JOOOOOOOOS
>JEWS UNDER MY BED
>JEWS EVERYWHERE
>SCHEMING, LYING JEWS
>THE REASON WHY I'M A /POL/ POSTING VIRGIN!
>OH HOW I HATE THEE, JEWS!

>>12118512
>tfw no big tiddi jewess under bed
why you lie to me, anon?

>>12118512

>>12114731
> taking a screenshot of a phone camera picture of a computer screen
Is there anyway to learn this level of autism?

>>12118589
Not from /sci/.

>>12116982
Governments in the abstract might make sense, but you shouldnt consider the abstract but what actions they are taking.

The amount of cunts slithering their way to the govt correlates with the laxness.of moral standards.

>>12111444
>internet happened
This.
Boomer here. Before teh interwebz media lied to us like they do today, but we didn't know this and it was very easy to lynch all critics as nut jobs.
That's why all the recent hate speach\racism etc. laws are being pushed and social media censor all critics.
We cant have plebs know too much, now can we.

Remember kids if they dont name the jew that the message isnt true. Behind every scheme and scam is a big nose and rubbing hands

>>12118747
Antisemitism is peak midwit conspiracy theory.

>>12115490
>autist shits his pants at the first sign of discourse
I love the smell of /sci/ in the morning.

>>12117496
>Overall it helps them feel a sense of conformity/harmony with the group they identify with most. To the individual this information is also empowering. They may know next to nothing of a subject matter, but now they have the 'truth'. They don't need experts, because their own intellect must have led them to the conclusion. And now they'll fight tooth and nail to defend this new idea, because they care more about preserving this power, than being factually correct.
you could also (and far more accurately) describe any mainstream media subscriber this way. or indeed those who blindly lap up what they are told "the science" says. but, unlike the people that these institutions label conspiracy theorists, it would never occur to you to do that.

>>12118788
>discourse
Lol, you wouldn't know discourse even if Plato's republic landed on your head, dumb /x/ schizo.

>>12118799
That's because the "science" is correct and actually done by smart people. Conspiracy theories are done by retards with no achievements selling bullshit. Science is not group think because it's evidence based and sits outside of human opinion. The same cannot be said for dumb /x/ conspiracy tards.

>>12111445
Maybe two decades ago. I don't know the last time Jones has put out a documentary that actually dealt with legitimate research or interviews on the streets, he just seems to be a talk show host peddling muh filters and bone broth and the vitamins that give you the big boners.

>>12118810
>evidence based
is it a "pandemic" ? we just won't know until the WHO says so
should we wear masks? the CDC says no. but now the CDC says yes. do we need evidence? no, just the word of the CDC at a given moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gYAka7qSnM
> They may know next to nothing of a subject matter, but now they have the 'truth'
every institution in this image instantaneously flipped their messaging literally because one NGO said something. that is "science"

>>12114940
>being so autistic you call a sarcastic person an "idiot"

Social media. Old fucks start using the internet and it’s GG. They will literally believe anything you post on Facebook.

>>12118844
>cherry picks something that is entirely new and unknown, so we had to watch scientists learn about it in real time, and then starts screeching about the CDC and uses this as a brush to argue that science isn't evidence based
LMFAO, dumb fucking conspiracy cunt loser, fuck off. Conspiracy losers have ZERO achievements and have contributed absolutely nothing to society, you're a net negative. Go die in a fire.

>>12118844
That's science, we're allowed to literally change our minds as new evidence is uncovered. NPC's like you can't understand this because for you its loss of face and you instantly think someone is lying if they dont say the one thing they said first all of the time. Its a pack animal thing, reasoning solely based on authority and no wonder, because you people are animals.

>>12118770
midwits have not got the slightest idea what anti-semites believe. but they'll all tell you, without having read it, that mein kampf is a boring and badly written screed. these politically correct bluffs are how groupthink spreads so easily among those condemned to a life of midwittery. whereas "conspiracy theorists" are allowed, indeed encouraged, to ask questions

>>12118878
>whereas "conspiracy theorists" are allowed, indeed encouraged, to ask questions
Some questions are dumb and pointless because they're based on ignorance. Every major conspiracy theory, flat earth, 5g, 9/11, where the conspiracy theorist think he's "asking questions" is nothing more than the projection of his own ignorance, usually from a lack of education and intelligence.

>>12118866
you're not changing your minds because of evidence. you're changing your minds because one NGO sends out the new codes and every signal-booster in the feedback loop changes its messaging overnight. that's not science. that's a cult. in fact strictly speaking you're not even allowed to look at the evidence. because even to consider doing so would be questioning the authority of those who supposedly do.

>>12118844
>the media is retarded
Thanks for cluing us in genius.

>>12111319
it's easier and more comforting to believe in things like grand conspiracies around disasters or crimes because not believing in them admits that things can happen outside people's control and that individuals can act alone and cause tremendous consequences

>>12118910
the media-ngo-wikipedia faction are the "consensus" amplifiers. the ministry of truth, in science as much as in anything else. when their acolytes speak of "evidence", without ever looking into things themselves (indeed, why would they?), they mean only that they are loyal to these institutions. as such, they will literally always agree. because to not agree with them, even once, would be to question their authority. and that may help the "conspiracy theorists". it is not science. it is a cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAyJt94Kmo

>>12118908
its a new virus that the entire world is scrambling to understand, the mask does mitigate particle spread even if it doesnt strictly keep them out, if you're stupid its not my problem this is exactly why we have governments to enforce rules on retards, unfortunate but necessary

>>12118957
>the entire world is scrambling to understand
but only people who work for NGOs and central banks are actually allowed to "understand". everyone else must take it on faith that "the evidence" is what they say it is, and means what they say it means. and just in case government enforcement isn't enough, corporations and social media will ban all dissenting views from their orthodoxy hierarchy as "disinformation"

>>12118977
>but only people who work for NGOs and central banks are actually allowed to "understand
That's literally wrong you fucking spastic. There's a dozen universities studying the virus and private companies.

>>12118984
the only thing that matters is what the NGOs and central banks say. because those are the institutions that people who "believe in evidence" believe in

>>12118984
>universities don't need funding
Dumb goyim. Can't think multiple steps ahead. Lazy.

>>12118810
big words for a full on retard projecting his midwit status and failures on others. At least they were smart enough to know they were being scammed unlike you apparently stupid faggot

>>12118860
>mfw hoes mad and seething

>>12119014
>funding in every case equals jewish conspiracy no matter what

>>12119032
That's right goy. Stable and prolonged funding requires approval by the power structure. Ever wonder why so many prominent virologists came out of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research?

>>12119032
stfu stupid jew

>>12111319
It's because the governments have actually engaged in so many conspiracies at this point people don't know what to believe anymore. Alex Jones unironically gives better news than all the mainstream media because he at least sources properly.

>>12118799
This post essentially proved my point about experts vs amateurs. Modern society is often too complicated to function without some sort of a structure of expertise.

Who would you rather 'lap up' information from?
The person that dedicated their entire adult life to the study of a certain field, or the person that casually built their knowledge base from a string of websites, personal anecdotes, and screenshots? Don't feel bad though, because this isn't a personal dig at you as an intellect. Everyone can feel uncomfortable trusting strangers compared to groups they already identify with. Hell even Steve Jobs didn't trust his oncology experts when he had completely treatable cancer. It's an incredibly easy trap to fall into. Especially if the group you identify with reinforces the idea.

>January
>human to human is impossible
>Feb
>its just a flu!
>masks don't work, don't buy them
>only racists are worried!
>Aug
>if you don't wear a mask you're a psycho!

hmm I wonder why nobody believes 'trustworthy sources' anymore.

>>12119050
>Alex Jones unironically gives better news than all the mainstream media
Source

>>12119149
>a complex topic like a new pandemic is complex and leads to contradictory statements with the arriival of new evidence
>therefore DA MEDDIA AND GUVMENT ARE ALL FAKE AND I WILL GET MY NEWS FROM ALEX JONES

>>12119175
vampire telepathic pedophiles

>>12119002
You're a dumb fucking schizo and complete wrong. Kys.
>>12119023
Conspiracy theories are peak midwit.

>>12119175
>a complex topic like a new pandemic is complex and leads to contradictory statements with the arriival of new evidence
>BUT EVERYONE HAS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT WE SAY ANYWAY

>>12119180

>>12119180
Until six months ago 'corona is real and potentially a threat' was officially a racist conspiracy theory and you would get banned from social media for talking about it. Now you get banned for saying these authoritarian measures are unjustified.

Because IQ is lowering over time in the general population

Now lets have some fun with these people

>>12117946
who the fuck is harry waton?
>1939
oh he didn't know about the genocide that hitler did
anyway just because henry ford said it doesn't make it true
enough with the implicit appeals to authority

>>12117950
what the fuck is this
this is clearly antisemitic propaganda the star of david has a demon on it
see a jew agrees with us that makes us right
and that why they deserve genocide!!!!!

I hate conspiracy theorists for the damage you do to any conversation you enter. I hope you die a horrible death.

>>12118951
projecting much?
do you even know what a cult entails?

>>12119040
>here's 4 people who hate the jews
this isn't proof

>>12119243
no it wasn't

>>12119243
the only racist part before the coronavirus hit was blaming the Chinese for the failures of the leadership of trump

>>12119701
Funny, they called Trump racist for blocking flights from China too, globalism is a hell of a drug apparently. China is to blame ,they got their WHO puppets to say it was a nothingburger while they shoveled thousands of corpses into ovens.

>>12119723
Playing the blame game can go on forever
fuck you fish for stepping out of the water you're to blame for the coronavirus coming to america

>>12111787
Following that logic, It started when crack became popular. Makes sense

>>12115927
>Cloth Masks
Far different from the face masks that are advocated for use like the N95 masks so the sources that talk about cloth masks can be discarded because they are not referring to the recommended masks.
>First Source
Does not talk about respirators like the N95 masks.
>Third Source
Refers to cloth masks.
>Fifth Source
Shows a marked reduction in risk when N95 and other such masks are used. Reduction in risk does not occur when wearing cloth masks.

>>12119632
eat a bullet mindless golem

>>12119603
>>12119656
stfu jew

>>12121388
fuck you, I don't want to kill people