/sci/ - Science & Math

https://twitter.com/BBCStargazing/status/1304010713195839493

>>12110597
>>12110600
is this your first day on the job?

>>12110597
Way these guys are talking, it sounds like a space rock's gonna hit.

Not saying that's what'll happen, but that that's what it sounds like.

>>12110605
nope, but just curious, what seem to be off? i've been posting on boards since 2013, but what triggered you in particular?

>>12110609
They are happy, excited, that doesn't indicate any danger. I don't think if scientists would detect a killer rock they would be smiling enthusiastically, they live on the same planet

>>12110597
its nothing burger
mark my words

>>12110597
Is it going to be another oopsie like the arsenic bacteria thing?

>>12110618
some bet its oxygen spectrum in some exoplanet atmosphere
or maybe its some red edge shift shit associated with chlorophyl, indicating flora on exoplanet

>>12110617
Just because something's exciting, doesn't mean epopel will be estatic for it.

Sides, accoding to these guys, this is supposedly happening in November.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Cwk-hAFlk

>>12110625
Sorry for the typos, fast typing is not a good thing.

>>12110625
>this is supposedly happening in November.

This is not science, this is some bullshit from shitty youtube account. Quit consuming shit, if its not on NASA or scientific channel, its not official, probably clickbait.

>>12110624
probably one of these
about fucking time though

>>12110649
Some people are speculating about possible life on Venus in some intermediate cloud level. And some people say that there is legit model which explains many anomalies now and it relies on life, so life fills the gaps of understanding in this model and answers the questions. Maybe they got some new data, or looked at the old data and now they pretty sure of it to release. Its my second best guess about the announcment.

bump

>>12110663
I fucking hope not. It would take any Venusian terraforming project completely off the table due to 'muh ecocide'.

>>12110743
venus is fucking gay and retarded anyway, i'd much rather have some new biochem to look at

>inb4 it's some new exoplanet that might be able to support life but also might be a barren shithole and we'll never know anyway because it's a gorillion lightyears away

Have they finally detected intelligent life on 4chan?

>>12110774
Instruments that are sensitive enough to detect the level of intelligence required to produce the average 4chan post simply don't exist. The idea that there may actually intelligent life on 4chan has always been a fringe theory anyway.

Reminder that it is literally never aliens.
If it were aliens he wouldn't say
>One of the most important finds in decades
He would have said the most important discovery in human history

>>12110624
>High evidence of life on a planet thousands of light years away
>No way to confirm
That would just piss me off

>>12110799
At least it would be a place to point the next gen telescopes at for more info or seti can maybe target certain planets someday

>TFW 2020 ends in aliens like /pol/ predicted

>>12110757
Probably this. They wouldn't put an embargo on something actually important.

>>12110743
Too bad for you - this came out few weeks ago and possibly related
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/ast.2020.2244

>>12110797
>the most important discovery in human history
But how can you be sure that there won't be more important discoveries far in the future? Maybe we will find God?

man I hope you guys are excited for 10 threads on the same subject on every page of /sci/ as i am

>>12110949
...YES

>>12110597
It's gonna be something gay like we possibly found water on some shit hole 2 billion light years away

>>12110932
For fucks sake

>Hey, there's this planet in our solar system with comparable size and gravity to Earth! Lets make it livable!
>NOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN MICROBERINO

>>12111034
You can't make Venus livable though. All speculations about terraforming are stupid, we can't even turn deserts on Earth into arable land, we can't do terraforming on limited scales on our own planet. When we will turn Sahara desert into green forest - then i could listen to you about terraforming Mars maybe in theory, but Venus is even rotating that its day is longer than year, its volcanoes are wild, we can't change rotation of the planet or its tectonics even in 2000 years from now, technology is just godlike for this needed

>>12111034
venus is a fucking awful candidate for terraforming though, the only practical way to colonize it at any time in the near to medium future is with balloon colonies and that would also be ideal for studying the microbes

>>12110597
last time they did this it was just one of those
ZOMG SEE THIS SMUDGE ON ROCKS?? THERE MIGHT BE WATER ON MARS111 episode

>>12110774
>intelligent life on 4chan
Take your meds, schizo

>>12110743
Man what the fuck is wrong with you? Terraforming is a fucking meme. We can’t even control our own atmosphere let alone another planet of near equal size

>>12110757
>>12110799
That would be really gay.

>>12110996
This is the future of “””””exobiology””””””. Unprovable claims of water/organics on planets we can never reach.

>>12111206
stop shittalking, those claims can be proven independently when several different countries have powerfull ground or space telescopes.
And maybe WE can't reach those worlds, but our descendants can. We need to think about them, we need to think about future generations and how to make first steps, so that they could make those 49th and 50th steps. Too many people in this world think only of themselves and don't even think about the future people, the mindset is "i live and when i die, i don't care what happens with this planet or mankind, you can all burn and die, as long as i am dead, you can all be dead too". Its a wrong way thinking that will lead us to ruin

LMAO, dampen your expectations

>>12110942
I'll introduce you to him

They must have finally found traces of cheese on the moon amiright?

>>12110743
science fiction is not reality

>>12110597
surely somebody is going to leak it

Frozen corndog in orbit around Jupiter confirmed

it's surface water on europa

>>12110597
>tfw it's an ocean world 15 light years away
>tfw humanity embarks on a collective quest to develop spaceflight capable of reaching it

Venus having life would fucking rule-it would make life being common way more likely.

I think there could be life on a bunch of moons and planets in our solar system.,

If we received a hail from light years away we should prep for war.

>>12111034
https://twitter.com/elakdawalla/status/1301568703964749825
>NOOOO, THEY WON'T LET US DO TO VENUS WHAT WE'VE DONE TO EARTH
>THIS ISN'T FAIR, NOW WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH CLIMATE CHANGE AND UNEQUALITY INSTEAD OF JUST FUCKING OFF TO SPACE

>>12111431
Based threatening anon

>>12113226
I have never seen a more egregious strawman argument than the idea that anyone is saying we don't have to deal with climate change since we can go to space.

Even very liberal, plans for space colonization probably have a million or two people off earth by 2100. The overwhelming majority of spae colonization advocates know they will live their whole lives on earth and many of them actively discuss and work on solving carbon emissions. For the love of god,the main driving force of Mars colonization is a clean energy billionaire who pushes for mass adoption of zero carbon energy and works to make ICE cars obsolete. Who in the FUCK is saying this? I can't find anyone.

>>12110597
Interesting, is there a list if scientists making annoucement? Usually when this happens you can narrow it by finding their research papers online.

>>12110757
I'm already calling it, it's this

It's about microbial life in clouds of Venus. There are several scholars discussing this already on twitter without mentioning the paper or its findings

>>12113322
Wow a big fucking nothingburger as usual

>>12113337
based retard

>>12110597
>Microbes in clouds are groundbreaking

Astrobiology departments are fucking cancer

>>12113342
What's the big deal about it?

>>12113337
>>12113344
Finding life (organic or otherwise) in any place other than Earth would be a groundbreaking discovery, even if it's microbial.

up

>>12110597
Please, please, please be life on Venus. Please, God, I want it so bad

>>12113350
Literally life on another planet
Literal fucking aliens
Are you retarded?

>>12113322
Proofs?

>>12111040
>we can't even turn deserts on Earth into arable land
We can and some countries are currently doing it at a small scale.
>When we will turn Sahara desert into green forest
Who would want to give so much arable land to niggers?

>>12110743
There is absolutely nothing to do in venus though

>>12111197
>We can’t even control our own atmosphere
What? But scientists say that we can if we all pay more taxes and eat bugs.

>>12113238
>clean energy billionaire who pushes for mass adoption of zero carbon energy
Except for the fact that most of the electricisty powering teslas comes from burning fossil fuels.

>>12114029
"Except"? Anon, power plants are far better than measly ICE motors at turning fuel into energy. Your point is meaningless. Even more so now that fusion is around the corner

Phosphine. Hot fuck, this and the seasonal color changes..god damn.

Someone leaked it. Venusian phosphine. Where were you when life on 2 planets was discovered?

>>12114076
We going to have a lot of missions heading there soon. Probably both Discovery missions will be chosen for Venus. Sorry Io and Triton, you are too far away, out of luck

Wow....this is actually a genuine smoking gun. Natural processes almost never make phosphine. Nothing about venus would suggest it being even a little common-in fact i would think it would be almost nonexistent. But they found a lot of it.

If life can arise on venus, then most likely the solar system is teeming with life. The UNIVERSE is teeming with life.

>>12114087
Life might have arisen on Venus in better times, in better conditions, but then as the condisiotns worsen evolutionary selection picked the only few extremophiles species who survived. There maybe traces of earlier life on Venus that DIDN'T survive. Venusian paleontology - hard stuff.

>>12114087
i fucking told you guys so

>>12114080
Post links

>>12114101
https://earthsky.org/space/life-on-venus-astrobiology-phosphine-biosignature
>today, September 14, 2020

We live in great times.

Holy fuck, i can't even comprehend what it means. It still didn't hit me with full force - the implications, the consequences of it, the gravity of the situation. So much. I'm talking like an emotional student girl, but i feel like one right now. My head just racing.

I’m hard, I’m so fucking hard right now

OK, so lets think.
There may be possible human missions to Venus in the future instead of Mars. Fuck Mars, fuck digging icy cold dirt. Humans in orbit of Venus operating drones that fly in the atmosphere and gather samples - thats new hottest thing.
But there is also risk of bringing those spores back to Earth and infecting our planet with potentially dangerous organism that can turn our planet into second Venus with greenhouse effect.
Venus is easier to reach for inter-planetary science missions, launch windows more often than Mars, less DeltaV, aerobraking, more solar energy. There are going to be many missions to Venus in coming years. Even small nations can do those.
Problem - planetary protection, Venus now is questionable, can't drop everything into it, with no regards for contamination.

>>12110816
>It's aliens

>>12114151
>But there is also risk of bringing those spores back to Earth and infecting our planet with potentially dangerous organism that can turn our planet into second Venus with greenhouse effect.

You can study that shit in orbit around Venus or at the ISS anon. It's going to happen though. We NEED to look at their biology. The implications for ideas like convergent evolution and how alien aliens can acutally get is absolutely massive.

Also
>You may have lived to see xenobiology become a real science

What a time to be alive.

Does phospine imply that they are carbon based?
t. brainlet supreme

>>12113929
This X100. It was my first thought and my hope above all things.

>>12114170
It would make sense if it was carbon based, in an atmosphere composed almost entirely of CO2

What are the chances that phosphine just forned through an unknown reaction in the Venusian atmosphere. Idk man, seems like a simple molecule.

>>12114166
What if we get there, and it turns out its Earth life DNA recent, nothing intresting?

>>12114176
How recent?

>>12114178
Soviet Venera landers recent)))

>>12114175
The scientists behind this literally sat on this while they searched for alternative explanations. They only announced it when they came up short.

>unlisted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXF8FUux74

What if it was the gas in Earth atmosphere they mistakenly taken for Venusian spectra?

>>12114179
based ruskies seeding solar system with life

What's the probability that an old rogue dead satellite ended up crashing with venus, thus contaminating its atmosphere with bacterial life? Because we are about to go from life being absolutely rare to absolutely common, it doesn't make sense. I personally adscribe yo my theory until proven wrong.

>>12114189
this would be a very fast change, life can't infect all planet in 40 years.

>>12114179
Are there any bacteria on Earth that can live inside of a CO2 atmosphere with clouds of sulphuric acid? That can also survive solar radiation, hard vacuum, and a reentry in a vehicle that wasn't designed to cary life?
Also, considering it would be an extremophile, could it survive accidentally being transplanted on a probe?

Apparently there was already theories life in the form of "UV absorbers clouds long before the new discovery https://phys.org/news/2019-08-mysterious-cloud-absorbers-venusian-albedo.html

>>12114182
whathe >F U C K
> U C K F
> C K F U
> K F U C

>>12114191
We need to think of all the posibilities, untill we get samples in a secure lab somewhere far from Earth. ISS won't do - ISS is too close to Earth, we need to study samples of this life somewhere on the Moon or in Venus orbit.

>>12110597
nasa better not bait my ass for the hundredth time over a "surprise"

>>12114189
So, a non-extremophile bacteria (since we don't build our spacecraft near volcanic vents) from earth not only manages to survive in one of the most extreme environments in the solar system, but also propagates to the point that it is able to produce, a detectible amount of phosphene in less than a hundred years? I think your theory could use some work.

>Because we are about to go from life being absolutely rare to absolutely common, it doesn't make sense.

The universe does not and has never given a single flying fuck about "making sense".

>>12114190
even life that has all the resources and no competition?

>>12114206
That life would need to develop ways of getting nutrients or what not, what do they consume to spread, to grow, to thriwe? They not adapted to it on Earth, or do they? Our knowledge of aerial life, bacteria in the atmosphere is lacking as fuck, this medium is not as intresting as others, so its not getting ammount of funding or attention.

>>12114190
>>12114202

What are the exact numbers about the rate of infection of the venus atmospheric content? 40 years, 100 years, you cannot even state a precise number. It only takes a single rogue and old russian satellite infected with god knows what kind of bacteria and this discovery gets easily debunked. My explanation is simpler.

>>12114214
Even if you are right discovery is not getting debunked, discovery still stands, but we get to study life in absolutely new environment, its new evolution and life cycle.

>>12114214
>The discovery gets debunked
No it's doesn't retard lmao, then it proves how easy it is to accidentally contaminate other planets, and that we may have also accidentally seeded Jupiter, Saturn Mars and Titan as well

>>12114206
there's a really big difference in acidity that needs some major biochemical changes to survive
most likely they would have to live in cloud droplets to survive since they would dry out and get fried by UV otherwise, but the droplets there are just straight up sulfuric acid with a little bit of water dissolved in it and not the other way around we have on earth
the most acidic places with life we've found on earth have a pH of around -1.7 to 0, on venus you'd have to deal with around -11.5

>>12114221
Venus is fucking special case. You dont even need paracutes for landing often, since falling into this atmosphere is so thick, you get decelerated and fall SLOWLY, as if like drowning, but slower than even even drowning, meaning you expose spacecraft to different layers of atmosphere for a long time

https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/ast.2020.2244
highly related paper

>>12114221
>it proves how easy it is to accidentally contaminate other planets

So it proves something completely logic and expectable

Yawn and yikes

Why phosphine was not discovered early? Only now?

>>12114228
>>
>>12110932

>TFW we aren't gonna terraform Venus because of some fucking bacteria
I LITERALLY KILL TRILLIONS OF BACTERIA EVERY TIME I CLEAN MY TOILET REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12114228

>>12114235
You cannot teraform Venus, its rotation means its day is longer than a year.

>>12114235
how the fuck do you plan to terraform venus nigga lets hear it

Just crash mercury into it to speed up it's rotation

>>12114104
W-Where did you find this link anon? The youtube video it links to is unlisted and only viewed by a few people.

>>12114245
don't mess with Mercury, it can miss Venus and hit Earth or Mars instead

>>12114251
>Mars instead

You have to admit it would be a great show.

>>12114249
Insider in /sci?

>>12114249
sources
like googling venus phosphine and clicking the first link

>>12114255
>>12114249
lmao I just checked it again and the page is down now
too late niggas

>seasonal methane gas plumes on Mars may indicate life there too
>mfw we can't terraform any of the rocky planets now
what the fuck do we do now lol

>>12114263
>inb4 every single fucking rock in solar system is squatted by some bacterias

>>12114235
Ok kid

>>12114253
Meteorites man, would be bad.

But if you are intrested, read this article
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08096

While listening to this track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_siqjpC6fQ

>>12114255
>venus phosphine
https://earthsky.org/space/life-on-venus-astrobiology-phosphine-biosignatures-solar-system

it's gone

>>12114104
> https://earthsky.org/space/life-on-venus-astrobiology-phosphine-biosignature
But this one stayed

it's strange af, why even make two same page

>>12114265
and thats a good thing!

>>12113929
>>12113791
>>12113350
>life on venus is confirmed
>long debate on space ethics starts
>venus is declared off limits to protect the fragile ecosystem
>UNO agrees on moratorium on space exploration

>>12114272
>https://earthsky.org/space/life-on-venus-astrobiology-phosphine-biosignature
Archived, just in case it goes down too. https://archive.is/L7MT1

>>12114175
There is no known way for any decent amount of phosphine to be made naturally outside of biology. It has never been witnessed to occur on earth and our current understanding of rocky planets indicate that it shouldn't be possible to form naturally.

>>12114265
> asteroid mining will be fucking prohibited

>>12114280
nah, we would just clean spacecraft. Put spacecrafts in ovens and wipe out with chlorine before launching, like we do to mars bound shit

Srb powered sample return mission to orbiting starship Venus lab when?

>>12114263
Terraforming is fags anyways. Just live in a LAVA TUBE as God intended.

>>12114301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0az7DEwG68A
manned venusian JWST origami balloons WHEN?

>>12114265
We deserved that tho.

>ethics in space travel

Bro eventually something is gonna come along and eat everything, why not have it be humans?

>Carl Sagan ended up being right about the clouds

Nice

>>12114309
why shouldn't they get the same chances we had? imagine if ayys had come to Earth 500m years ago and disturbed our evolution. space should be off limits until we know what we're doing

>>12114317
>imagine if ayys had come to Earth 500m years ago and disturbed our evolution.

God I wish.

>>12114317
Venus probably doesn't have enough time left to support life in order to allow complex evolution
Also the surface conditions wouldn't give way to complex evolution anyways lmao

>>12114231
Because no one thought it would be on venus and we only now have telescopes capable of detecting it. Also papers being published showing that Phosphine is the smoking gun.

>>12114317
>implying they didn't uplift us

>>12114263
Bezos O'Neill stations

Any life on Venus could be from meteorites coming from Mars or Earth that carried organisms inside a rock, probably not indigenous.

THEY REMOVED THE ARTICLE
>>12114281
Good fucking job archiving it in time, anon

>>12114347
God I hope not. While I would still be hyped, I would be more hyped if it was completely independent.

>>12114189
You realize there were tonns of rocks from Earth that landed on Venus? If life was transported to Venus, it would be this way, and probably means Mars, Jovian Moons also have it.

>>12114347

I'm thinking they'd be sterilized quite thoroughly. This is likely some type of acid based microbe that developed in the habitable bands of its atmosphere.

>post link on /pol/
>They were taken over by /x/ so think microbes don't mean shit because their dad got their ass probed by ayy's last week

>>12114357
>going to /pol/

>>12114354
Venus wasn't acidic all the time

>They took the link down
>Youtube video only had 70 views
Anons we are literally the first humans on earth to get news of what will be the biggest discovery of the century before anyone else.

>>12114272
>>12114281
lmao both of them are gone now
bit too slow there boys

>>12114367
https://archive.is/L7MT1
Boom

>>12114357
>microbes are impressive
I snort these tiny little faggots up my nose eveyr single day and I'll go to venus and snort them up my nose too and them spit them back down onto the hot surface so they can melt.

>>12114375
Your mom sucks by dick every day but she still calls it impressive.

>>12114366
>twitter only just now finding out about it
lol

>>12114366

Biggest discovery in recorded history IMO if it's correct.

>>12114369
Clicking through the links in that archive have been a trip.
It literally cites a paper that's not even released yet (from Sept 14 2020) and everything else 404s.

>>12110597
Will they finally confirm neutron stars taste like semen?

>>12111197
> We can’t even control our own atmosphere
That's what they want you to think.

holy fuck, for once its actually happening, an actual official scientific discovery relating to ayys lmao.
2020 is saved.

>>12111223
>A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit.

>>12114402
2020 is the fuckiest year in ever.

>>12110743
>>12111034
Stop trying to send humans into space.

>>12111206
>>12110996
Lol, pessimists BTFO

Goodnight /sci/. It's going to be comfy waking up to the normalfags on twitter and online finally hear about this and start freaking out about it. I was happy the news dropped here first.

>>12114175
Their statement is that either it's a sign of life, or we have a REALLY broken understanding of geological processes. As in, we've never seen phosphine form outside of a lab or in living organisms.

>>12114185
Why wouldn't we detect it on every solar body, then? Why just venus?

>>12114189
Panspermia isn't outside of the question and would still be a phenomenal finding.

>>12114424
i don't know, specifics of the observatory? There should be independent proofs from different countries, sketchy that it was found not from the spacecraft but from earth based station

>>12114189
The more interesting and maybe alarming possibility could be the reverse.
That all life on earth spawned from venus.

>>12114431
Observations come from Chile and Hawaii

>>12110597
bait

literally

>>12114441

being this outcast from the scientific community that you have nobody to confirm its true

>>12114446

so many people on the inside know about this, and pretty much anyone with any connection at all also knows by now

>>12114449
Yeah, I got several professors discussing Venus suddenly on their twitter accounts.

>>12114474

lol exactly, this news is being passed around between everyone right now

To be fair there are other hints that life could exisr in Vemusian clouds

https://eos.org/articles/could-life-be-floating-in-venuss-clouds

>The dense clouds that cover all of Venus appear almost featureless in visible light. In the UV range, however, Venus’s atmosphere looks decorated in dark patches and streaks. In those darker areas, which were first documented in 1927, an unknown substance absorbs up to 40% more UV light than surrounding areas.

Get your ass to Venus

>>12114384
That article leaked before the embargo lifted on Monday. Got pulled, but not before it got archived.

The author is the git on twitter who started the buzz with his wink wink tweets a couple of days ago, so looks legit.

>>12114518
It also means he won't be invited to any conferences or given any info in the future. Scientists are very autistic about embargoes.

>>12114523
yup, his career is fucked

>>12114523
its probably not his fault, but some idiot who runs the site and checked the wrong box in the interface and made article awailable premature

>>12114418
The articles on phospine as a biosignature were for an earthlike planet. Venus is far from earthlike, and who knows what a high pressure acidic high temperature atmosphere can leech out of the ground or volcanic outgassing.

>>12114528
>. Venus is far from earthlike
brainlet check?

>>12114528
nope, they were for a rocky planet

Just putting this out there for the curiosity value: did you know the Russians dropped, among other things, a bas-relief of Lenin on to the surface of Venus?

>>12114531
Earthsized maybe, but far from earthlike.

>>12114366
Video is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXF8FUux74&feature=emb_title

>>12114532
> "Habitable"

https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.05224

Modeled for various mixes of atmospheric gases, but broadly earthlike temperature and pressure. Venus falls far outside that range.

Another possibility - Venus mafia colluded to produce that result and to speculate on life possibility as the response to Mars lobby. Many of you probably know that Mars lobby eats a lot of NASA budget of space exploration, but there is a growing community called VEXAG where scientists talk about how Venus is underapprecuated and seek ways to make Venus great again. They may have pulled the trick of possible life on Venus to fight Mars lobby for money. As Mars lobby claims "There is probably life under surface of Mars, we need to dig deeper, if you don't find anything, dig DEEPER" to counter this Venus mafia will claim "The life in Venusian atmosphere is very fluent and dynamic, hard to catch its position and altitude, send another probe to other altitude!"

or maybe there is actually life

>>12110597
if twitterman thinks it's big if true i'd say something like a naked singularity
but that's just what i want

>>12110618
>>12110624
>2110624
It's already leaked. They found phosphine in the atmosphere of Venus.

>>12114074
> fusion is just 50 years away guys

>>12114367
Why did they post those articles that use future date and then delete them? So is it like scheduled post, but someone fucked up with schedule setting and set early date to post?

>>12114570
Yes. There is a press embargo until Monday.

Lol fucking nothing

Protomolecule?

>>12114586
>200 posts in before a mention

I'm impressed /sci/. Clearly the Reddit infiltration isn't too deep yet.

>>12114577
Well, not nothing -- but the scientists took a long lead off second by saying they ruled out all non-biological possibilities.

They're gonna get slammed just like the Mars meteorite nano-fossils scientists did when experts from outside their group and disciplines hammed the eff out of them for not even being aware of similar structures with no relation to life.

>>12110597
probably the unlisted MIT video from the other thread lel

>>12114633
What thread?

>>12114636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCXF8FUux74

>>12114648
> Girl scientist

Now watch her get all angry and defensive when other experts point out her mistakes and omissions. Then she'll probably cry and blame sexism.

>>12114074
> fusion is around the corner
we are no where near fusion being a viable energy source rofl

>>12114664
Nah, it's more likely that she herself is fine with it, but that thousands of SJW-types will be offended in her stead

>>12114648
Uh oh. The girl scientist is just a post-doc, and before that her background was "outreach"

In September 2016 Clara joined MIT as a post-doc in the EAPS departmen. Before Clara came to MIT she was the Educational Co-ordinator for the Twinkle Space Mission where she founded EduTwinkle, the mission's educational program. As part of EduTwinkle, Clara started the ORBYTS program (Original Research By Young Twinkle Students), where high school students work along scientists to produce original research associated with space exploration.

>>12114678
>post-doc with outreach background creates outreach videos
gee, you really got em

>>12114684
> Someone whose background is generating buzz produces buzz generating paper.

Really looks like she packaged the paper in a way to produce press far beyond its contents.

>>12114698
thats Venusian mafia for you. I once read collectively edited Google document, where they advocated for manned Venus fly-by and they were writing to each other there - "Don't mention radiation" and "keep quiet about thermal regimes". Guys are so desperate for Venus mission, they are ready to do anything.

inb4 it's earth life from a soviet probe

>>12114739
U MAD?

>>12114739
The simple fact that there is a non-zero chance that it isn't and therefore represents one of the most significant discoveries in human history means that we're getting Space Race 2.0. Every single country with a space program is gonna want to be the one that first discovers alien life.

>>12114753
There is no reason to be upset

>>12114777
I wish

>>12110597
>>12114281
>>12114536

I propose the following cycle that explains Venusian phosphine formation without mysterious alien life:

1) as temperature rises during the day, phosphoric acid present on Venus decomposes to phosphorus trioxide (detected by Vega probe)
2) phosphorus trioxide evaporates and rises to upper atmosphere, where is precipitates and forms aerosol
3) phosphorus trioxide reacts with water in upper atmosphere, forming phosphorous acid
4) the key step - phosphorous acid precipitates to back to lower atmosphere, dissociates at high temperatures (>200°C) into phosphoric acid and our phosphine
5) phosphine rises up and is eventually also oxidized back to phosphorous acid
6) phosphoric acid precipitates out and deposits into regolith (or simply lower atmosphere) during the night, returning to step 1

This cycle is impossible on Earth because it requires atmospheric temperatures of 200+°C, which are present on Venus

another source of phosphine could be this mechanism - P rich minerals exposed to strong mineral acids combined with mechanical forces, such as tectonic movements release phosphine
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es050682w
and we know Venus is extremely tectonically active

another minor source of phosphine could be from electric arcs (lightnings)

>>12114777
Honestly it's more likely that it's alien or at least diverged from earths life bilions or at least hundreds of milions years ago than it is recent contamination.
It would take
>Earth bacteria surviving lenghty space travel with no shielding
>Surviving reentry
>Surviving Venus atmosphere
>Actually being able to live in venus atmosphere
>Thriving and expanding so much that they actually made detectable impacts in venus atmosphere in mere ~40-50 years
In other words there's no way it's recent contamination.
Only other explanation apart from life is some serious missunderstanding of geological and/or atmospherical chemistry

>>12114777
Everyone knows there is 90% chance life is in subsurface Mars, because it is certain rocks with microbes from Earth landed there.

>>12114813
>>Earth bacteria surviving lenghty space travel with no shielding
Extremophiles in rocks can survive hundreds of thousands years in hibernation.
However most likely life originated on Mars and was seeded by meteorites across Solar System

Benus :DD

>>12114819
>Extremophiles in rocks can survive hundreds of thousands years in hibernation.
Citation needed

>>12110597
wtf are embargo news letters?

>>12114263
Bro don't forget the entire asteroid memebelt

With more and more signs that life in solar system isn't that ratę, what are chances that there's complex life in depths of Europa?

>>12114931
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/science/microbes-100-million-years-old.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile

On June 2016, scientists from Brigham Young University conclusively reported that endospores of Bacillus subtilis were able to survive high speed impacts up to 299±28 m/s, extreme shock, and extreme deceleration. They pointed out that this feature might allow endospores to survive and to be transferred between planets by traveling within meteorites or by experiencing atmosphere disruption. Moreover, they suggested that the landing of spacecraft may also result in interplanetary spore transfer, given that spores can survive high-velocity impact while ejected from the spacecraft onto the planet surface. This is the first study which reported that bacteria can survive in such high-velocity impact. However, the lethal impact speed is unknown, and further experiments should be done by introducing higher-velocity impact to bacterial endospores.[33]

It will be absolutely nothing as usual.

>>12115013
That doesn't explain how extremophile bacteria contaminated the spacecraft in the first place though.

>>12114813
If it does indeed turn out to be independently evolved it will be an even bigger deal for humanity

>>12114678
It's going to be disproved pretty quickly I'd say. This isn't somebody with a long career in astrobiology, it's a woman diversity hire. Mark my words

>>12115052
never mind I'm going to say it might be the real deal because her personal website seems pretty autistic
>https://clarasousasilva.com/

>>12115062
>I am a quantum astrochemist and science communicator. One day I hope to detect a habitable planet using spectroscopy. Until then I spend most of my time working really hard.
CUTE

>>12115019
>spacecraft
>not meteorite from Earth

>In before shitty Russians ships were contaminated with bacteria so now there is bacteria on Venus and it’s taking over
I’m calling it right now

>>12115277
I'd still be happy with that desu. It means panspermia could be real.

>>12114791
They looked into that, but the numbers dont add up. Phosphine from that reaction would only be at a level about one ten thousandth what they see. Phosphorus isnt even that common, esp in atmosophere. Bioaccumulation makes more sense.

>>12115277
Meteorites from early Mars is more likely

>>12114281
>https://archive.is/L7MT1
that archive is gone, this might really be it goys

Why isn't this leaking everywhere? Surely everyone should be talking about this?

>>12115416
by the end of the day alll the normies will be meming about 2020 being a crazy year starting with a near WWIII and ending with aliens

Normies don't care about Aliens FYI
>Aleins? It's just bacteria lmao who cares

>>12115500
It's not even bacteria, it's some molecule that's maybe produced by bacteria, so yeah, normies wont care

>>12110636
Rolling for San Francisco.

>>12115416
>>12115481
I texted it to two of my normie friends and they both replied that they have hangover from yesterdays party

>The Venera (Russian: Beнépa, pronounced [vʲJˈnʲɛrə], which means "Venus" in Russian) program was the name given to a series of space probes developed by the Soviet Union between 1961 and 1984 to gather information about the planet Venus. Ten probes successfully landed on the surface of the planet, including the two Vega program and Venera-Halley probes, while thirteen probes successfully entered the Venusian atmosphere.

Congrats to the ex USSR for successfully populating Venus with bacteria 60 years ago.

>>12114562
Oh wow. That's groundbreaking... or isn't it?

>>12115594
My sides are orbiting Venus now and will leave the solar system if this turns out to be true.

>>12115594
Meteorites from Mars or Earth most likely. Dark mats in Venus atmosphere were observed in 1920s already

>>12115594
C O L O N I S E D

>>12115594
>The Pioneer Venus Multiprobe was a NASA spacecraft launched in 1978 to explore Venus as part of Pioneer program. This part of the mission included a spacecraft bus which was launched from Earth carrying one large and three smaller probes, which after separating penetrated the Venusian atmosphere at a different location, returning data as they descended into the planet's thick atmosphere. The entry occurred on December 9, 1978.

What's the news going to be, /sci/ ?

https://www.strawpoll.me/20934719

>>12114528
Venus is considered earth like

It’s going to be depressing to find out that simple life is extremely common but anything like a eukaryote is Earth exclusive

I don't understand the whole panspermia thing. How could bacteria get on an asteroid without dying from the heat and force of an impact?

Earth life may have come to venus billions of years ago from earth or mars.

>>12115787
Studies have shown that bacteria could survive that

>>12115773
multicellular life could also be common, but intelligence is extremely rare. we probably won't know this in our lifetimes though

>>12115882
Stop being a naysayer. Learn some Xenobiology and make it happen next year!

>>12115753
No, obviously not. Venus is terrestrial, because of its size and general composition, but not "earthlike".

What are the chances the people publishing this are way overstating it and other experts in chemistry can show phosphine isn't as hard to make or Venus has a weird atmosphere that can abiotically produce it?

>>12116035
Is five or a 70%.

>>12116035

MIT did a study on this and couldnt find a reasonable way to produce phospine

>>12116064
Wtf? That was supposed to read
"I'd give it a 70%"

>>12116213
What makes you say 70%?

>>12110597
Please be real. I need a reason to keep living.

>>12116035
Either 0% or 100%

>>12116229
Our incomplete knowledge of xenochemistry and comparable situations. The dark matter distribution problem recently discovered for example. It's basically the
>absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence
argument I'm doing and to me, it seems highly likely there's just some mechanism we haven't thought of since Venus' properties are really foreign to us.

>>12116242
So it could be novel reaction pathways?

>>12116242
What about the argument for the best explanation? Until we know more about xeno chemistry, life is the best explanation for the data.

>>12116253
Definitely.

>>12116256
Not the best, the one with the lowest number of assumptions. I agree, but it's no proof that it's definitely life causing it. It's just not much of a news break though, until we send a probe up there proving that there are microbes.

>>12114674
There is a private company with a Q over one prototype now that is actively developing generators.

>>12116264
It's not jut phosphine,it's also the dark unexplained clouds,w hich are exactly what a lifeform living in the atmosphere would create.

It seems really strange that abiotic processes would so perfectly mimic the appearance of life.

>>12116268
Fucking finally. What's the name?

>>12110743
This. If there's life in Venus, it would kill any future explorations and research due to fear of "contamination".

>>12110942
How can we solve this problem?
Maybe one of those can help us here.
>always
>never
>and
>maybe
>so far
Do you know the answer?

>>12116096
No. The authors of the paper reviewed the known common means of production on an "earthlike" planet at earthlike temperature with an earthlike range of atmospheric composition and didn't find a likely method.

But, Venus is not earthlike and having a superheated high pressure vat of acid swirling around on the surface of a billion years can do who knows what. They really should have had some industrial chemists with experience extracting phosphorus compounds on the paper for their perspective.

>>12115594
You know? This is the first thing it came to my mind immediately after reading the articles. I really fucking doubt Soviets really cared about biocontamination and sterilizing instruments and probes.

>>12116264
>it. It's just not much of a news break though, until we send a probe up there proving that there are microbes.
Science will have to bend the knee for ayylmaos as likely explanation for the first time. You will be surprised to see the seething and dogmatism that will be exposed in Biology if we have to accept this, even if is just momentary.

>>12116274
Helion Energy. They are keeping shit quiet but are basically admitting to it in recruiting,which they are doing furiously after getting a shitload of private funding.

If this was patter to an investor I wouldn't care, but this is being directed at phd plasma scientists and engineers. And this Bo Cole guy was poached from a cushy gig at Mitsubishi-he was not cheap and would need a good reason to jump jobs. They are going hell for leather to beat everyone else to market with a system that is far smaller and cheaper than tokamaks.

POST YOUR FUCKING FACE WHEN WE FOUND AYYLMAOS IN OUR LIFETIME

>>12116319

>>12116035

I'm sure they had expert chemists working on it with them. But yes, it needs to be reviewed by others to see if they can find a different and simpler explanation.

>>12110597
Congrats, but they won't be able to confirm this in years, if not decades. I expect Musk to build some retarded venuscraft that won't even work just to hype his dying toy electric car company.

>>12116238
AGI is still close even if aliums aren't

>>12111438
better be blue cheese

>>12115594
Unlikely, I doubt the Russians had fucking extremeophile bacteria crawling all over their spacecraft.
Possible seeding from Earth or Mars in the distant past remains a possibility though. If so, would we truly class them as Alien? If samples were returned and found to contain a genetics similar to Earth life but extremely deviated, would they still be Aliens?

>>12116348
No, it isn't. AGI is a term used to allure retarded investors, no one in the scientific community believes in AGI, especially since ML has been stuck for years now.

>>12116282
True but I've heard the atmosphere is "earth-like"

>>12116356
Don't underestimate the Soviets, they were playing the long game

>>12116367
At certain altitudes, the atmosphere of Venus has an "earthlike" pressure and temperature, but it's still nearly pure CO2 filed with acid. Life tends not to do well in acid.

Lmao there’s phosphine in Jupiter. This paper is 100% funding bait.

>>12116432
Barely any and it has a well-explained source.

>>12116432
I can't comment until I see the paper but I assume the concentration here has something to do with it you fucking melt

>>12116432
>trace amounts of chemical oin huge fucking ball of swirly chemicals
>fluctuating amounts of an extremely rare and highly likely-bio signature chemical on a terrestrial world
THESE TWO THINGS ARE DEFINITELY THE SAME I'M SO SMART

>>12116035
There's a 2019 paper that explains why phosphine is a good tracer for biological activity on terrestrial planets. It's linked in the thread

https://news.mit.edu/2019/phosphine-aliens-stink-1218

Wilikers.

>>12114678
You didn't even bother looking at her CV didn't you?

>>12115104
>this is the girl incels want to disprove
For shame. Autism should be respected, regardless of sex.

>>12115062
Adorable website. She is /ourgirl/

>REAL ALIEN LIFE
>Brought to you by adorable autism /scifu/
Fuck the /pol/niggers this is the best timeline.

>>12116474
Yes, I read her CV. So, do you have a question or statement about it, or do you think your post won something?

hey, maybe we’re the meathead chads of this solar system, and the residents every neighboring planet has decided to hide themselves or leave or something, and the germs on Venus are just another proof of our carelessness and ignorance?

>>12116573
Are you mad at the possibility that a WOMAN found the answer to one of the biggest open questions of humankind?

She's Clara, btw.
https://youtu.be/ul4fJh-MIR4

>>12116580
> Y-you're just sexist! Boo hoo!

I am appropriately skeptical that someone whose main career so far is teaching tween girls how to make friendship bracelets just happens to write a heavily promoted paper coincidentally related to her phd thesis.

>>12116577
Woah bro that's crazy
That sure would be something
Too bad your 5 second explanation has zero evidence or reason to have happened
But man it sure would be crazy
Dude it'd also be crazy if like, we like came from the future bro, like, but then there was like a war bro and like we were sent back to the stone age bro
Bro that'd be crazy!
What if bro...

>>12116598
She's as obssesed about phosphine as you are about /pol/ and sex.
https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=oXyx-yMAAAAJ

>>12116598
>Muh friendship bracelets!!!
>Not a real scientist!!!
Then why the fuck didn't YOU find Microbes on Venus you fucking chimp

>>12116598
>>12116573
>someone whose main career so far is teaching tween girls how to make friendship bracelets
If you actually read it you'd know that she's not a postdoc anymore, she's a research scientist in MIT and while she was a postdoc there she also worked on outreach. So saying her main career is teaching how to make bracelets is dishonest and yes exist since you wouldn't be putting a man's work into question.

>>12116619
She's trying to coast on her phd thesis instead of doing new research. Not uncommon.

>>12116625
>she's a research scientist in MIT

Which is a post-doc. She's sure not tenure track.

>>12116646
>>12116638
>Postdoctoral Researcher - Quantum Astrochemistry (September 2016 - August 2019)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, USA
>Research Scientist - 51 Pegasi b Fellow (August 2019 - Ongoing)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, USA

Not that being a post doc invalidates her's and the group's work over the years you're just trying to find something wrong because she's a woman

>>12116646
>earn a phd at MIT
>somehow not qualified enough to make discoveries

bitter coping is sad.

>people are replying unironically to the /pol/ troll
LMAO

>>12115790
Or. Life may have come from venus billions of years ago.

Big if true

I like the theory of someone hitting Mars with a 800 meter long and 100 meter wide nuclear bomb, though.

>>12116682
>/sci/

>>12110625
You have autism

>>12116272
I didn't know about the dark clouds. But couldn't they also hint at some unknown chemical process happening under Venus' alien environment that we just never think of, because the environment on earth is so different?

>>12116298
>seething and dogmatism in biology
Honestly, I won't be surprised at all.

>>12116303
Thanks! Sounds intriguing, a bit like SpaceX back then.
>electric propulsion system
Seems like they have an end goal and providing fusion energy is just a milestone on the way to cheap space travel.

>>12115594
No way it reproduced fast enough to colonize the entire atmosphere and release those detectable quantities of Phosphine